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Boston Basketball Partners

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Non-notable holding company, notable only for its legal structure as the ownership entity of the Boston Celtics. Redirect to Boston Celtics as WP:ATD. Coverage is WP:ROUTINE business coverage. Longhornsg (talk) 17:23, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - can easily be merged into the Boston Celtics. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spurs Sports & Entertainment

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The holding company is not-notable and fails WP:NCORP. The article is primarily content about the San Antonio Spurs, not the holding company, then a WP:SYNTHed-together reporting of the holding company's portfolio. Longhornsg (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - sports teams holding companies often are notable. Doing a before search brings up many hits for the company. Mostly books related to sports management. But I agree, the article should be redone to be less focused on the Spurs. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hits yes, but it's WP:ROUTINE coverage, which is what I found in my before. Are the cites in the books WP:SIGCOV of SS&E specifically? Longhornsg (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some books have had multiple pages dedicated to SS&E, such as these, and they are national authors too rather than local San Antonio coverage.

https://books.google.com/books?id=C9SbUYGyCvcC&pg=PA335&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgMEAM

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Transforming_San_Antonio/-ETpCAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&pg=PA180&printsec=frontcover

https://books.google.com/books?id=gVlkCQAAQBAJ&pg=PP3&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgNEAM

https://books.google.com/books?id=ZSziAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA6&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijo4DawcSNAxWgO0QIHftkCnw4ChDoAXoECAUQAw ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The sources present in the article already demonstrates WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This just meets WP:GNG. I actually do think that content like this article, Green Bay Packers, Inc., and so on would be better contextualized in the team's article, but I don't see a basis in policy to delete them, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:17, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: References used in this article demonstrate the notability of the subject. Passes WP:GNG. AndySailz (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Possible keep. This source on Forbes is independent and reliable and counts towards GNG. this source is secondary and onpy partially contributes to GNG. The remaining sources are passing mentions, blogs, or not independent. Overall sourcing needs improvement. Flibirigit (talk) 11:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 15:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Several articles are present that will establish notability.Goodboyjj (talk) 06:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - And I mean weak. Holding companies typically are not notable as its their holdings that normally generate the WP:ORGCRIT needed for notability and notability would not be inherent simply because its the parent. However, the fact it gets attention in numerous books would push this to notability for me. Note that the Forbes reference would fall under WP:FORBESCON so I would not consider it for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James P Mahon

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Refbombed promotion for non notable individual. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Many sources but most are by him instead of about him. A little bit of local interest puff but nothing significant. Awards are not major. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I have decided not to make a specific recommendation here. Yet. As, frankly, I wonder if I can leave aside the years of WP:COI and WP:REFBOMB concerns that I've struggled with on this title. And, perhaps, any !vote contribution from me may not be fully objective. However, I have long wondered whether WP:BASIC and WP:JOURNALIST and WP:NACADEMIC are met here. As, IMO, there is limited evidence that the subject has received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. The sources (in the article and seemingly those that are available) are almost all either written by the subject (some about himself and others just things he has written generally), or by entities associated with the subject (university bio profiles, Huffington Post profile, news employer bio, etc), or are just trivial passing mentions. The only three sources, of which the subject is a primary topic and which are could be considered somewhat independent, are the three pieces in the local Clare Champion newspaper (from 2013, 2021 & 2022). And, personally, I'd question whether these are fully independent. Or whether these types of "local boy graduates" stories materially contribute to notability. Any more than this "former co-worker wrote autobiography" piece is strictly independent. Anyway. If I was confident that years of COI/REFBOMB/FV annoyance with this title weren't influencing my recommendation, I'd probably lean "delete". But, being perfectly frank and hopefully somewhat self-aware, I'm not convinced would be an entirely objective recommendation (based entirely on NBIO merit).... Guliolopez (talk) 11:37, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This was a tricky one to try and assess. Ultimately I think notability is not there. There is some coverage but is it significant? I think not. Looking at the academic side, I don't think the research and published works are there yet. The awards are non-notable really and as for the references, most are published own works. It almost feels kind of WP:Auto even if it isn't. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:54, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shafiullah Al Munir

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The individual clearly does not meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG and WP:BIO. WP:NOTCV. If they wish to share their résumé or create a personal webpage, they are encouraged to use one of the many free website providers available online or the hosting service included with their internet service provider. Charlie (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The subject meets WP:GNG, with multiple reliable sources covering his roles as the head of a national government federation 1, 2, chair of an international body 3, 4, the first Bangladeshi representative in an international federation 5, 6, chair of a major international tournament 7, vice president of several national government federations 8, and as a notable business figure 9, 10, 11, 12.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 14:56, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: This is a WP:PAID article. Owais Al Qarni has been paid by Anim on behalf of Shafiullah Al Munir.[1] --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:11, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The editor has clearly mentioned this on their talk page, so that resolves part of the issue. The other part is that if someone has paid you to write an article, then as per WP:COI, new articles should go through the Articles for Creation process so they can be reviewed before being published, even if the editor holds NPP or autopatroller rights. That’s the part that remains a concern. Also, we should now focus on whether the subject genuinely meets the criteria for having a Wikipedia page. Charlie (talk) 15:48, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non notable, fails WP:GNG. Most of the sources are interview masquerading as an article, i.e., directly quoting the subject or typical news i.e "Shafiullah Al Munir appointed Chairman of ...". I don’t see any substantial references. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the references are paid, especially considering the subject paid for this Wikipedia article. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:23, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What the author describes as "sources covering him" with respect to various sports organizations, are almost all press releases ("has announced", "issued a notification", "announcement was officially made", a "press release" said, etc.). The few exceptions among the sports-related, such as [2], are not significant coverage of Munir. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Other sources discuss his failed political bid, divorce, imprisonment and torture, feud with another business magnate, and the collapse of his business. Some or all of that might make him notable, but surprise, surprise, there's no mention of any of it in the biography he paid for. We don't keep whitewashed paid bios that violate WP:NPOV. I would be willing to consider draftify if Owais Al Qarni wants to take another stab at writing a balanced article, and is willing to let it go through the AfC review process instead of just moving it back to mainspace himself. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:06, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cosm (company)

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I stumbled upon this article after looking at the LiveLike VR article that was nominated for deletion. Three sources are given in the article, one of which is a press release, and another doesn't exist at all. Fails WP:NCORP. Madeleine (talk) 22:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I'm sure this can fall under WP:PROMO as well. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 17:59, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; widespread coverage. // Gargaj (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Dasey

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That's biograme is merely sourced, it's known that he works as journalist that's all there no reasons for meeting notability guidelines The Wolak (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:JOURNALIST. LibStar (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I noticed a single purpose editor has been adding a lot of uncited text since nomination for deletion. [3]. LibStar (talk) 03:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The "sources" added are two bios on this fellow, an article he wrote and podcast. I can only find articles he's written, nothing about him. I don't see notability due to the lack of sources. Oaktree b (talk) 22:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He was just deleted from polish wiki after that discusion ^[1] The Wolak (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FIS Freestyle Ski and Snowboarding World Championships 2027

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Might just be WP:TOOSOON for an event two years out. More sourcing would have to be found to warrant a standalone article right now. JTtheOG (talk) 21:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep It's the next of this tournament, it is not a yearly a tournament, and the article will be needed eventually Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:52, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I couldn't find any sustained coverage of this event yet, just an announcement about the host. Not enough to keep and there isn't enough in the article to draftify. Esolo5002 (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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VOOsport World

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Fails WP:GNG, sourced to primary sources and database entries. ~ A412 ^talk! 16:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Arnett Gardens F.C.. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 06:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Spaulding Sports Complex

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Not a notable stadium. Search turns up a few articles which mention the stadium by name when discussing games there, but no significant coverage of the stadium itself. Other sources include a database entry and the club's own website. — Moriwen (talk) 22:34, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Arnett Gardens F.C. as possible search term. Possibly notable. Giant Snowman 20:21, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the person it was named after Anthony_Spaulding#Minister_of_Housing. It is a multiple sport complex and is mentioned in the redirect. Not notable on its own. Can be salvaged with merge. Ramos1990 (talk) 06:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per Ramos1990 Czarking0 (talk) 02:40, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and selective merge to Arnett Gardens F.C. (and NOT to Anthony Spaulding). Lacks standalone notability. Readers who search for the venue would be more interested in the team than the venue's namesake. Frank Anchor 20:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sports Kyoushitsu

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Fails WP:GNG. Other language wiki page has no sources that support notability. DonaldD23 talk to me 15:03, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Longstanding (1961-2017) series broadcasted nationally on NHK. WP:NTVNATL. DCsansei (talk) 05:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RS:X Youth World Championships

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The list of championships includes only 13 events, none of which have their own Wikipedia article. This leads me to believe the page may violate notability guidelines. I think it should be merged back into the main article, as it doesn't meet the criteria for a standalone page. However, given the heavy reliance on primary sources, there may be little, if any, content worth merging. Johnson524 06:14, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't see how you can ever reach that conclusion. It is a World Championship formally recognised by the IOC recognised sporting body. To add to this it is the "Youth" World Championship on the same equipment as used in the Olympic Games hence a number of high profile sailors. All the content for this has been on wikipedia for a number of years in templates. As per a previously agreed policy with other editors who requested that the events side is not on the same page as the equipment these event pages for each title were created. The title definately meets the sports notability requirement although I doubt individual event do. I will work more on the referencing but even this is much better than the previous 10 years. I would say this page also demostrates the usefullness of wikipedia as the official website for the RS:X disappeared within 18 months of the equipment not being used as Olympic equipment. The event is no longer held. Yachty4000 (talk) 01:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not seeing significant independent coverage indicating notability. Mainly insider publications. Ramos1990 (talk) 07:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Joshua Shim

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This is a pretty low-level U Sports and indoor football player. Fails GNG. Couldn't find any sources of substance. Looks like COI editing. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment COI wouldn't shock me either. Based on the author's username and the blurb on their userpage, this sorta smells like a coach trying to get his player some exposure. Though I've been wrong before! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Also, please note that I cleaned up the article a little, so what we're looking at now is not how I found it. It falsely had USC Trojans football as a link in the infobox even though he was only a student there. There were also seven unrelated navboxes at the bottom of the article. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Michael Hutchings (American football coach)

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Article does not include any GNG-level sourcing, and a WP:BEFORE search does not reveal any GNG sources. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Some sources: [4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources are compelling — I had been looking for coaching sources and didn't find any sigcov, but it looks like he might be notable as a player from his college career? 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Week delete: The issues on the article lacking inline citation is a real problem, articles cites more unreliable sources, even if the subject might be notable, the created piece fails WP:GNG for that reason. Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 22:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notability isn't based on the article quality (WP:CONTN). I removed the X (Twitter) source. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you can make a good improvement on the article and add some of the sources you listed on the discussion on the article and develop the article maybe I can consider changing my comment, placing the source here without adding it on the article won’t help much. Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 00:13, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes GNG. Somewhat borderline but I think being an NFL coach puts him over the bar of notability. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Omar Cook (American football)

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Promotion for non notable actor. Best known for his role in the film God of Dreams (2022)? Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Awards are not major. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. His American football career is very minor, his acting career is very minor. In both instances there is nothing to even prove these very minor accomplishments. The article was started, and most of the subsequent edits were made, by the same editor who has exclusively edited on this page also suggesting a potential COI violation too. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 14:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV, either in the article, newspapers.com, or google. Cook was also a coach at one point per [[12]], but that article isn't independent. Let'srun (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New England Nightmare

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No significant edits for several years. Google search for references turns up only things about Halloween or bad news for the New England Patriots. It is unclear how this article can be salvaged. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Some sources: [13][14] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Manchester Freedom

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Fails WP:SPORTBASIC, not updated in over ten years. Unlikely to be salvageable at this point. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. WP:SPORTBASIC appears to apply to bios not teams. WP:NTEAM says that there are no special notability criteria for teams other than those listed under particular sports and American football doesn't seem to be listed on that page? This defunct team appears to have been covered somewhat regularly by the Manchester, Nashua, and Keene newspapers with occasional coverage elsewhere. Jahaza (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It's unclear what you're referring to: there are three references in the article. There is no coverage by newspapers from Nashua or Manchester(the first reference is a wire story), and only one story from Keene. "Somewhat regularly" would infer that they would have coverage of all, if not most, of their games in addition to other coverage. If this coverage exists, why has it not been added in the last decade? If you can assist with adding these references, you are welcome and encouraged to do so.Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 10:38, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Christian Garrett

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There is only one example of WP:SIGCOV of this tech businessperson, this profile in the San Francisco Standard. The rest of the coverage is WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS (e.g. [15], [16], [17]), affiliated sources (e.g. [18]) or WP:PRIMARYSOURCES ([19], [20]). He does not inherit notability from his mother's step-brother or grandfather. May well be notable someday but the sources don't support WP:GNG or WP:NBIO now. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This seems like an unnecessary request, and feels like a personal attack. There are multiple articles on, or mentioning this famous venture capitalist investor and former basketball player. I found this page informative as I was listening to a podcast he was on and I came here to learn more about him. 217.110.185.242 (talk) 23:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. There are multiple WP:SIGCOV of this tech businessperson that I just added, from his past as a basketball player, as well as currently as a tech investor. See recently added citations such as this, this, this, this, and this. Happy to add more. ImagoDei137 (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Taiwan Plus is a Q&A interview and thus a primary source. KUSports.com reported on him when he was a KU student and thus it's not an independent source. The YouTube links are also Q&A interviews, as is the Wichita Eagle piece. None of these sources is GNG-qualifying SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:05, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Basketball Partners

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Non-notable holding company, notable only for its legal structure as the ownership entity of the Boston Celtics. Redirect to Boston Celtics as WP:ATD. Coverage is WP:ROUTINE business coverage. Longhornsg (talk) 17:23, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - can easily be merged into the Boston Celtics. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spurs Sports & Entertainment

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The holding company is not-notable and fails WP:NCORP. The article is primarily content about the San Antonio Spurs, not the holding company, then a WP:SYNTHed-together reporting of the holding company's portfolio. Longhornsg (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - sports teams holding companies often are notable. Doing a before search brings up many hits for the company. Mostly books related to sports management. But I agree, the article should be redone to be less focused on the Spurs. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hits yes, but it's WP:ROUTINE coverage, which is what I found in my before. Are the cites in the books WP:SIGCOV of SS&E specifically? Longhornsg (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some books have had multiple pages dedicated to SS&E, such as these, and they are national authors too rather than local San Antonio coverage.

https://books.google.com/books?id=C9SbUYGyCvcC&pg=PA335&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgMEAM

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Transforming_San_Antonio/-ETpCAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&pg=PA180&printsec=frontcover

https://books.google.com/books?id=gVlkCQAAQBAJ&pg=PP3&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgNEAM

https://books.google.com/books?id=ZSziAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA6&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijo4DawcSNAxWgO0QIHftkCnw4ChDoAXoECAUQAw ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The sources present in the article already demonstrates WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This just meets WP:GNG. I actually do think that content like this article, Green Bay Packers, Inc., and so on would be better contextualized in the team's article, but I don't see a basis in policy to delete them, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:17, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: References used in this article demonstrate the notability of the subject. Passes WP:GNG. AndySailz (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Possible keep. This source on Forbes is independent and reliable and counts towards GNG. this source is secondary and onpy partially contributes to GNG. The remaining sources are passing mentions, blogs, or not independent. Overall sourcing needs improvement. Flibirigit (talk) 11:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 15:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Several articles are present that will establish notability.Goodboyjj (talk) 06:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - And I mean weak. Holding companies typically are not notable as its their holdings that normally generate the WP:ORGCRIT needed for notability and notability would not be inherent simply because its the parent. However, the fact it gets attention in numerous books would push this to notability for me. Note that the Forbes reference would fall under WP:FORBESCON so I would not consider it for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Hill

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I came across this article whilst looking for the YouTube educator. (who apparently doesn't have an article at this time) Asides from a few external links, there appears to be only one source for this biographical article about a basketball player. I suggest draftification unless users performing WP:BEFORE searches can find sufficient sources to expand and rescue this article. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 22:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn. When I hastily made my nomination, I assumed the article would be held to the same (or similarly high) notability standards as biographical articles for YouTubers like J. J. McCullough, Mr. Beat and Sambucha, and other sportspeople like Armand Biniakounou and Patrick Chiwala. (I don't really care as much about these two, just thought I'd mention them as examples) Nonetheless, I take away the following from this:

Articles on sportspeople are held to some standards, but apparently those standards may not be as high as the standards for articles about influencers. (I might have run with a fallacy here)
If I had wanted to bring other editors' attention to an article, I could've just tagged it as needing "immediate attention", but that can only be done through certain WikiProject banners. In my experience, tagging an article for "immediate attention" on its talk page ironically seems less effective (than an AfD nomination) at drawing a reasonable amount of attention to an article within a reasonable amount of time.

Nonetheless, as an inclusionist, I'd be satisfied to see the article kept. Feel free to close this discussion as speedy keep at any time. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:20, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What an incredibly passive-aggressive withdrawal. Rikster2 (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Furthermore, there's a delete !vote, so it's not able to be withdrawn anyways. SportingFlyer T·C 19:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as a solitary reliable source in a biography of a living person, over the course of 17.8 years, does not an article make, nor begin to meet muster for Wikipedia:Notability. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 23:30, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A quick glance at the sources cited in an article, does not a WP:BEFORE search make... or something something. JTtheOG (talk) 23:46, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep This is an incredibly lazy nomination that relies on others to do the work on behalf of the nominator. As Hill was a prominent enough basketball player in Europe, I was able to farm [21] [22] from other languages, [23] is a good article and [24] [25] are other sources. Not all of these are SIGCOV but coverage is easily found, and we don't draftify source-deficient articles if the subject is notable. SportingFlyer T·C 01:23, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Another source. [26] Passes WP:NBASKETBALL. Anyone who is selected in an NBA draft is going to have coverage. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't look like the nominator saw themselves as the person addressed by the text of WP:BEFORE, but that is how we conventionally mean it - you are supposed to do some due diligence before nominating, as opposed to nominating and expecting others to do it. We're all volunteers, and it's fair to expect some investment of time up front given that you expect others to do some investment of time to then double-check that and back you up. Likewise, a lack of {{inline citations}} (and references being merely links) is a cleanup issue, not a reason for deletion. More fundamentally, if the main thing you wanted is an article about the youtuber, just write one at a disambiguated title, like Kyle Hill (YouTuber). --Joy (talk) 08:36, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources by WikiOriginal-9. Rikster2 (talk) 00:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, and WP:NBASKETBALL #1, per the sources provided above by SportingFlyer and WikiOriginal-9. The article could use some improvement, but deletion is not cleanup. Ejgreen77 (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NBASKETBALL (apparently something meaningful still there).—Bagumba (talk) 09:27, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Silly nom apparently done in bad faith. I've added SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 23:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Ledbetter

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Fails WP:NATHLETE. Ledbetter's professional career in European basketball was unremarkable and does not seem to have yielded coverage in German and Luxembourgish news. The currently listed sources are his entry in the Glenville State College Hall of Fame showering affiliated praise, a user comment from the DC Basketball Blog (not even the blog post itself), minor discussion of his single-game performance in The Glenville Mercury student newspaper, and a YouTube interview from the channel Alumni4life, a local varsity jackets retailer. While I found two other instances of Ledbetter's performance reported in the Glenville Mercury, neither instance bothered to mention his season-wide performance, much less broader commentary on him as an athlete/person. Being twice named to the First All-WVIAC Team is impressive, but for a NCAA Division II conference, that achievement seems below WP:NCOLLATH. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 15:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Found some more coverage at [[27]], [[28]], [[29]], and [[30]]. Let'srun (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate the identification of additional sources! I think the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Indiana Gazette coverage when Ledbetter was playing in their respective areas is below the WP:NCOLLATH criterion of gaining "national media attention as an individual". Similarly, the Bedford County Press and Everett Press article is only a local newspaper reporting Saint Francis University's pride at recruiting Ledbetter. The Evening Sun article on Ledbetter's threat to not play at Crossland High School if transferred from Largo High School as part of D.C.'s racial integration is pretty interesting, though that coverage is not significant on him, nor did he follow through on that threat. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 19:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent info! JoseyWales019 (talk) 22:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan Greenlee

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All I was able to find on this basketball player was this interview with the subject and this interview with his parents, which I don't believe warrant a standalone article. JTtheOG (talk) 07:32, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not seeing sufficient independent SIGCOV to pass WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There appears to be very little coverage of this individual beyond primary sources Garsh (talk) 17:55, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (with work) - May meet notability due to FAU Final Four run. 1. trivial mention. 2. Televion interview. 3. Good source, notable mention. 4. Half discusses career, in short WPTV article. 5. Trivial mention, part of team that went to final 4 and contributed as a player. 6. Trivial mention in indep.article. 7. Interview (uni page)

Wq4m820 (talk) 21:14, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Found some coverage at [[31]], [[32]], and [[33]]. Let'srun (talk) 19:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- 1: team-specific microblog (Owls247.com), author graduated from the same uni in 2023, also just 3 sentences of direct coverage
- 2: routine interview from unreliable source (WP:SPORTSKEEDA), also just 2 sentences of direct coverage
- 3: routine coverage from a reliable source
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Atlantic Coast Conference women's basketball Rookie of the Year

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Seemingly no non-routine coverage in secondary sources. Bulk nom and I have done some WP:BEFORE on all of these Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 01:10, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Pac-12 Conference Men's Basketball Most Improved Player of The Year. Meets WP:LISTN with coverage of the grouping: The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been More sources added here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagumba (talk • contribs) 08:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Pac-12 Conference Men's Basketball Sixth Man of the Year. Meets WP:LISTN with additional coverage of the grouping added here.—Bagumba (talk) 09:38, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all. For Big East Conference Women's Basketball Defensive Player of the Year, I was easily able to find reliable secondary sources referencing each of the first 20 recipients of this award from 1997 through 2016 and added the references to the table here. There was a plethora of choices from which I was able to select. You will note that many of the references are not simply published lists from press releases but stories that went beyond routine coverage. Also, coverage in newspapers outside the locality of the award winners was present. This is beyond the standard set by WP:NLIST, since each individual entry does not need to be notable. While I suspect the article in this bulk nomination lack in referencing to demonstrate their notability, it is the referencing that is lacking, not the notability. They deserve tags stating such, but they should not be deleted. Taxman1913 (talk) 14:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep all. As expected, for Southeastern Conference Women's Basketball Freshman of the Year, I was easily able to find reliable secondary sources referencing each of the first 26 recipients of this award from 1984 through 2009 and added the references to the table here. As was the case with the Big East defensive player of the year, there was a plethora of choices from which I was able to select. You will note that many of the references are not simply published lists from press releases but stories that went beyond routine coverage. Also, coverage in newspapers outside the locality of the award winners was present. This is beyond the standard set by WP:NLIST, since each individual entry does not need to be notable. While I suspect the articles in this bulk nomination lack referencing to demonstrate their notability, it is the referencing that is lacking, not the notability. They deserve tags stating such, but they should not be deleted. There is little doubt that this will be the case for all the articles, which list the winners of major awards in power conferences that receive significant media coverage. The same is true of the recent deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlantic Coast Conference women's basketball Defensive Player of the Year, which I discovered too late. There is no doubt in my mind that reliable secondary sources could be found for that as well, and the article should probably be resurrected. Taxman1913 (talk) 10:09, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 in European women's basketball (A–K)

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With this title, I would expect Information about the European competitions (for clubs or national teams), not a collection of results of national competitions which just happen to share a continent but are otherwise not related. Seems like a weird way to present these. Fram (talk) 10:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete Almost entirely a difficult to navigate collection of game results and WP:NOTDATABASE so I think this should be deleted. Division of the list by alphabetized country name is also strange; why not by league/division or similar? Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 11:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  What do I need to do improve it? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 13:10, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  
  What do I need to do improve it? Can you give me advice please? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 09:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Keep A lot of info and very useful. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 09:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom and above. Should have create separate article. Fade258 (talk) 08:18, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by that? How can I improve the article? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 10:44, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You would been create a separate article which is mentioned in respective country above. Please wait until this discussion to be concluded. Fade258 (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete agree with nom Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 14:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jamshid Fani

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Subject does not have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. The only reference is a database, which does not establish notability. A redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics may be a suitable WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 12:40, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 13:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect He was disqualified in his only Olympic bout and there's no supporting evidence that he meets any WP notability criteria. A redirect to an article where he's already mentioned seems reasonable. Papaursa (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect would be best. Skycloud86 (talk) 10:49, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Katwe Combined Boxing Club

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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_May_10#Katwe_Combined_Boxing_Club * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The article's references don't support a claim of notability and my own search did not find anything other than passing mentions and fight results. What I didn't find was significant independent articles about the club itself. If such references are found, please notify me and I will reconsider. Papaursa (talk) 11:54, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:TNT - just about everything would have to be replaced, both text and citations, for this to be an article. Bearian (talk) 01:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kunal Singh Rathore

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This cricketer lacks coverage in reliable secondary sources, so he fails WP:GNG. GTrang (talk) 04:47, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: He is referred to as Kunal Rathore without the middle name in other articles. Jay 💬 08:29, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was draftify‎. ✗plicit 23:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sajjad Ibraheem

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No evidence of WP:SIGCOV for this young cricketer. More coverage would be needed to meet WP:SPORTBASIC. PROD was contested by linking a deprecated essay. JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The subject meets the inclusion criteria as defined in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Notability#Individuals, which states that any cricketer who has played in a single officially recognized first-class, List A, or T20 match is presumed notable. Sajjad Ibraheem made his first-class debut for Peshawar in the 2024–25 Quaid-e-Azam Trophy on 5 November 2024, in a match against Rawalpindi. This competition is recognized as first-class by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), which is the governing body of cricket in Pakistan. Therefore, the article satisfies the notability requirement under subject-specific guidelines, regardless of broader media coverage. ESPNcricinfo profile. Behappyyar (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to the guideline you linked, that page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. Sports figures need at the very least one independent source with significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV). JTtheOG (talk) 21:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply. While Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Notability is marked as inactive, the notability principle that first-class cricketers are presumed notable is still active policy via WP:NCRICKET, and has been consistently upheld at AfD. As per WP:NCRICKET: "Playing in a first-class match is usually sufficient for notability." This is supported by numerous prior AfD closures. This satisfies WP:NCRICKET and aligns with community consensus for cricketer notability. WP:GNG is not required when reliable subject-specific notability exists and has been broadly applied in practice. Behappyyar (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are these AfDs from the previous three years? Participation-based guidelines have been deprecated since 2022. JTtheOG (talk) 21:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just to clarify: WP:NCRICKET notes that significant coverage should not be assumed for all domestic players, but it also states that playing in an officially recognized first-class match is usually sufficient for notability. This reflects established AfD precedent. Since Sajjad Ibraheem debuted in a PCB-sanctioned first-class match, the subject meets this standard, regardless of media coverage.

This will rest on whether sufficient sources can be found to meet the WP:GNG – something along the lines of WP:BASIC level. I don't read Urdu so can't determine if the source in that language would significantly help reach that sort of bar. Simply meeting NCRIC has not been considered sufficient for an article to be kept for years. In this case there appears to not be a suitable list to redirect the article to, so I would suggest sending the article to draft initially unless suitable sourcing can be found Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. According to global consensus, all sportsperson articles are required to cite a source of IRS SIGCOV in addition to the subject meeting GNG. Meeting NCRICKET only affords a presumption of further SIGCOV if this SPORTCRIT criterion is satisfied. JoelleJay (talk) 15:42, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:NCRIC by extension. Vestrian24Bio 09:49, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No SIGCOV, participation-based notability criteria were deprecated by WP:NSPORTS2022, and I'd say that the idea that playing for Pesahawar necessarily indicates notability has been quite definitely disproved by the large number of LUGSTUBs deleted/redirected already. FOARP (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay @Vestrian24Bio @FOARP

Draftify: I respect all of your opinions. But I created the article in good faith after reading Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Notability#Individuals, which states that a cricketer who has played a single officially recognized first-class match is usually considered notable. Unfortunately, I did not notice any "inactive" status tag on the guideline at the time of writing, and believed it to be valid and in line with precedent.

Sajjad Ibraheem made his debut in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, which is the highest level of first-class cricket in Pakistan. Given that, I believe there is a strong chance that more reliable coverage (especially from English and Urdu sources) will emerge in the coming months as his career progresses.

Therefore, I respectfully request that the article be moved to Draft space rather than deleted, so that I can improve it over time with better sourcing as it becomes available.

Behappyyar (talk) 18:37, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm okay with draftify. Vestrian24Bio 01:56, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposed either. JTtheOG (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate your consideration. I’m committed to improving the article in Draft space with better sourcing over time. Could someone please advise on the next step or help with moving the article to Draft space? I want to make sure it’s done properly. Behappyyar (talk) 06:44, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks dear. Behappyyar (talk) 06:43, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Siddhartha Cricket Stadium

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Contested redirect without improvement (along with a personal attack). Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to support meeting WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If this was a state level sports stadium in the US would this deletion nomination ever have been put forward? Let's try and counter - not reinforce - Wikipedia's bias problems. Atrapalhado (talk) 09:20, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP This is a perfectly valid article that should not have been put forward for deletion (if you get your kicks deleting articles people have worked hard on, at least focus on the many thousands of unnecessary articles on US sports and popular culture, rather than seeking to scrap valid articles from non western/ non Anglosphere country topics which are inevitably harder to source but no less notable).

Anyway, this is clearly a major regional cricket ground in Nepal. Sources make clear it's one of the grounds for the major cricket tournament in the country. The article is substantially developed. Yes it needs more sources but the source cited is independent and provides good material. If our friend who put this forward for deletion wanted to do something more useful with their time, he/she could readily add additional sources from independent professional cricketing sites which can be readily found on Google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atrapalhado (talk • contribs) 23:42, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NSTADIUM. Vestrian24Bio 09:42, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cycling

Big Four (cycling)

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Some sources will speak of a big 6, others of a big 3: this is arbitrary and very fleeting. Unthinkable to many to suggest that Matthieu van der Poel is not part of the biggest n riders at the moment. A few years ago there was an entirely different top few riders, in 5 years these guys won't be winning any more. Nothing of lasting relevance: this is a no more than a questionable snapshot of standings in the sport right now. Kevin McE (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand there are probably one-off cases of sources using "Big N" to discuss random groups of riders, but considering there are multiple independent sources (e.g. [34] [35]) that define the term (not just mentioning it in passing), there are articles that discuss inclusion in the group (Is Remco Evenepoel Part of Pro Cycling’s ‘Big Four’?), and sources that refer to coverage of the group ([36] references "the much-talked about 'Big Four'"), I think this rises beyond an "arbitrary" grouping.

There has been usage of the term for this specific group of riders for nearly a year and a half (since December 2023), and frequent usage by many different organizations since the 2024 Tour de France, which I feel is more than "very fleeting". It would be a different conversation if I had created this article immediately after the 2024 Tour, but considering usage has continued and frequently appears in articles and previews for 2025 events (for example, these two previews for the 2025 Giro d'Italia starting this weekend both mention the Big Four: [37] [38]).

Mathieu van der Poel is not a GC contender for stage races, which is likely why he is not included in this grouping, which the article (and quoted sources) make clear is about success in stage races and Grand Tours, not a general group of "top riders" Verylongandmemorable (talk) 22:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already commented but just wanted to add: I think the argument that "in 5 years these guys won't be winning any more" conflicts with WP:CRYSTALBALL. Whether or not these riders are successful in the future, the term is widely used currently and has been defined since 2023. Assuming that it will be forgotten is not a prediction we are able to confidently make (and IMO is a bold prediction considering 3 of the 4 riders are 28 years old or younger) Verylongandmemorable (talk) 23:27, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple reliable sources are included in the article, specifically referring to the term Big Four.[39][40][41][42][43][44][45] Please provide sources to support the claims of Big 6, Big 3, et cetera. Flibirigit (talk) 22:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. As per above, there are multiple independent reliable sources which reference "Big Four" in cycling, and no sources have been provided to the contrary. Flibirigit (talk) 23:05, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Big 6: [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51] and many more [52]

Big 5: Not as common, but drop in form of Wout van Aert (one of the six) will probably make it more common in the future [53]

Big 3: [54], [55]

Previous big four: [56], [57]
Phrase is incredibly flexible and transient: a journalistic device but not a meaningful and lasting concept. Kevin McE (talk) 07:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the additional sources to consider. However, there's a significant difference in coverage between the "Big N" examples you've provided, and usage of "Big Four" to refer to the grouping of Pogacar, Vingegaard, Evenepoel, and Roglic. It isn't just used within cycling media, but in mainstream, highly reliable sources, for example:
New York Times (via The Athletic): "INEOS Grenadiers have none of the sport’s big four on their books — Tadej Pogacar, Jonas Vingegaard, Remco Evenepoel and Primoz Roglic — who are currently the only men realistically able to win the Tour de France."

The Independent: "And with three of the so-called ‘Big Four’ absent from the race, the door appears wide open for Roglic to regain the crown he won two years ago ... It’s hard to look past Roglic taking home the pink jersey given he’s the only member of the so-called ‘Big Four’ who’ll ride in Italy."

The Guardian: "Pogacar, one of cycling’s “big four” stage race riders – Jonas Vingegaard, Remco Evenepoel and Primoz Roglic are the other three"
Also, I'm a bit unclear on why the existence of a "Big Six" of cycling or "Big Three of the Classics" would negate the notability of this specific "Big Four" as an encyclopedic topic. The sources referenced in this discussion and in the article clearly delineate this quartet and their domain (stage races such as Grand Tours). As an analogy, if in men's tennis there was a future "Big Two" or "Big Six" that received significant coverage, would that erase the notability of the Big Three (tennis)? It could be worth noting in the article that a previous quartet of riders was referred to as the Big Four, but the articles you have sent are from 2015, so confusion with the current, widely discussed grouping of Pogacar, Vingegaard, Evenepoel, and Roglic is unlikely. The current "Big Four" has seen consistent definition and coverage for the last year and a half. Verylongandmemorable (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The point of mentioning the Froome/Quintana/Contador/Nibali top 4 is to give evidence that this is just a temporary grouping, as there have been in the past and will be in the future.

In the tennis example, there might be grounds for saying that they are historically all historically great players (I don't really follow that sport): but by what grounds are Vingegaard and Evenepoel being positioned as historical greats in relation to grand tours?

I acknowledge that it is a phrase used by journalists, but that does not mean that it is a concept of any durability or lasting significance. In the time I watched soccer there have been numerous different permutations described as the big 4 of English clubs: Everton used to be among them, Man City certainly weren't. Lazy journalistic phrases describing a short-lived status quo make very poor justification for encyclopaedic entries. Kevin McE (talk) 18:08, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Football

Daichi Shibata

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2 league appearances before retiring in 2015. Previously deleted and then restored. RossEvans19 (talk) 22:53, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment You can check the previous AFD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daichi Shibata (footballer). RossEvans19 (talk) 23:55, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tunde Akinlosotu

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The highest level the subject has played as appears to be the third level of American soccer. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nico González (footballer, born 1988)

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Previously proposed for deletion by @Clariniie, saying the article is Poorly-sourced, that he spent most of his career in lower leagues and that the references provided do not tell him in significant detail. @Schützenpanzer rejected the PROD, saying it should go to AFD. RossEvans19 (talk) 14:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Moro Alhassan

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24 professional appearances at Serie B and Serie C level before disappearing from the sport. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 14:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jan Šebek

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Non-notable former talent who did not succeed in adult football. Only three caps in professional football. FromCzech (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Czech Wikipedia also lacks significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:31, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Masato Yoshihara

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Another (among several hundred) GNG and SPORTCRIT failure, having only played 8 matches in the J League system. German lower leagues and Cambodian league aren't notable, and the challenge-cambodia.com page is only a database profile. Geschichte (talk) 15:41, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete sources show no evidence of significant coverage. Searches show databases primarily Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 23:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only provides press release as references. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuro Kimura

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Another (among several hundred) GNG and SPORTCRIT failure, having only played 7 matches in the J League system. All links in the Japanese Wikipedia are either dead or flagged as bad sites. Geschichte (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Hasn't played enough. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Fails GNG. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 23:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pieter Lehrer

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Footballer from Antigua and Barbuda who only played at college level in the US. Fails in WP:GNG and WP:MILL. Svartner (talk) 18:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable athletic career, some primary coverage from the school for his coaching career, but anything in a non-primary source is thin.... [58] is the only non-primary source I found. Just not enough coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 19:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John McIlvogue

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Fails to meet Wikipedia notability criteria. There is some very limited media coverage of McIlvogue's 2-year involvement with Livingston F.C. as a shareholder, but nothing remotely substantive enough to justify a biography - we'd need a lot more about his life in general, and/or more coverage of what his activities as a shareholder entailed. Note that even our Livingston F.C. article only mentions McIlvogue once in passing. Owning shares in something notable doesn't make the shareholder notable. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV - no source addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. We do not even have a news report that mentions that John McIlvogue as involved in any named business other than the particular business concerned in that report, so linking the various mentions together as relating to one person is WP:OR. NebY (talk) 13:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete What exactly is he meant to be notable for? He bought a company, he started a company, he was part owner of a bakery and a football club. All that shows is that he's a normal businessman, that's no slight against him, it's just not the basis of an encyclopedic article. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 18:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and others. Miniapolis 22:44, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No significant coverage. At most a one sentence with a reference in the Livingston FC article. Coldupnorth (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yusuke Suzuki (footballer)

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Previously nominated by @Geschichte, but was undeleted per WP:RFUD, saying that as he was a J2 footballer, he was most likely notable. He was a J2 footballer, but he only played 5 league games for Roasso Kumamoto, the rest of his career was spent in lower leagues. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is nothing "likely" about notability here. Undistinguished career, no valid sources. Geschichte (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Martín Urdiroz

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Much of the prose is about his family while the sources are all about his brothers and barely make mention of Martín, who played a handful of games in his lone top-flight season with his brother as his coach. Even contemporary sources all seem to be trivial mentions in game lineups, leaving us with database entries. I understand creating this article from a completionist perspective, but, as per WP:SPORTBASIC, All sports biographies... must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 07:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nearly 24 hours and not yet a single reply... Is this normal? I guess everyone is currently distracted/awed with Wikipedia's milestone of 7 million articles! Luis7M (talk) 02:59, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – JTtheOG rationale proceeds, the sources are about his brothers (Emilio and Filo), Martin being mentioned only as another brother who played for Osasuña in Civil War period. I suggest a redirect to Emilio Urdiroz as a WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 05:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Aziz Keita

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I can't find any WP:SIGCOV on this player in both English or French. The fact that it's a terrible article doesn't help. Anwegmann (talk) 02:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He was the starting goalkeeper for Guinea during their fourth place AFCON finish in 2016. A BEFORE search is terrible because it just gives you the various statistics pages. Fortunately a Guinea-specific newspaper is much more helpful: [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [64] [65] [66] I am sure there is more out there if you don't focus on simple web search results. SportingFlyer T·C 05:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per sources presented by SportingFlyer. Svartner (talk) 06:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails GNG. Sources provided are just match reports and interviews that do not provide sigcov of him. Dougal18 (talk) 08:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. First of all, he is more often known as Abdoul Aziz Keita, sometimes also just Aziz Keita. Second, he has a good deal of coverage both for major events and generally, over time. The 2016 exploits with the national team are also covered in pieces such as Heroic Keita Sends Guinea Into Last Four (...) Captain Abdoul Aziz Keita was the hero for Guinea. The same thing happened on other occasions, such as the 2014 Guinean Super Cup. [67] Coverage of a significant event with the subject taking centre stage is the opposite of trivial/passing coverage. It is true, however, that many news articles are short or contain interview portions. To varying degrees that's the case for many articles chronicling his career such as [68], [69], [70], [71], [72], [73], [74], [75]. Geschichte (talk) 14:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's just sports coverage in Guinea. If we don't understand what significant coverage looks like around the world and assume everything has to be an American feature length story, that creates bias. SportingFlyer T·C 16:44, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Can anyone also analyze whether or not the references provided by Geschichte meet GNG? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:08, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's no question. SportingFlyer T·C 16:45, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paywalled match report, contract signing, he isn't moving clubs, match report, moar transfer news, interview, interview, contract dispute and another interview. None of those are SIGCOV or help him pass GNG. SIGCOV isn't weakened/strengthened based on your country. Dougal18 (talk) 09:22, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources/arguments above which show notability. Giant Snowman 15:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've looked at a couple of the sources, I could look better but from what I see, I am not sure if a true WP:BEFORE was done. I question the method of the nominator. Govvy (talk) 21:27, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy: I will say the BEFORE search wasn't easy. I persisted because the database sites showed he started in AFCON, so I knew there had to be coverage somewhere. Search engines are getting worse and I'm worried we'll start losing articles because the search engines are the starting point for BEFORE searches. It's also sort of a problem now the SNGs are gone - it's absolutely common sense he'd have at least local coverage, which he does. SportingFlyer T·C 23:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Trudgian

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources are primary and all I could find elsewhere were some mentions at [[76]] and [[77]] Let'srun (talk) 01:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails SPORTCRIT, unable to find anything other than routine coverage. J Mo 101 (talk) 08:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to 2000–01 Plymouth Argyle F.C. season as his sole claim to fame (one appearance) and where he is already mentioned. Giant Snowman 15:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ok with redirecting. Svartner (talk) 17:08, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failing WP:GNG and do not redirect. The search feature would pick up the name anyway. Need to avoid redirects when a player has played for multiple clubs. Govvy (talk) 09:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spurs Sports & Entertainment

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The holding company is not-notable and fails WP:NCORP. The article is primarily content about the San Antonio Spurs, not the holding company, then a WP:SYNTHed-together reporting of the holding company's portfolio. Longhornsg (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - sports teams holding companies often are notable. Doing a before search brings up many hits for the company. Mostly books related to sports management. But I agree, the article should be redone to be less focused on the Spurs. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hits yes, but it's WP:ROUTINE coverage, which is what I found in my before. Are the cites in the books WP:SIGCOV of SS&E specifically? Longhornsg (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some books have had multiple pages dedicated to SS&E, such as these, and they are national authors too rather than local San Antonio coverage.

https://books.google.com/books?id=C9SbUYGyCvcC&pg=PA335&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgMEAM

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Transforming_San_Antonio/-ETpCAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&pg=PA180&printsec=frontcover

https://books.google.com/books?id=gVlkCQAAQBAJ&pg=PP3&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgNEAM

https://books.google.com/books?id=ZSziAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA6&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijo4DawcSNAxWgO0QIHftkCnw4ChDoAXoECAUQAw ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The sources present in the article already demonstrates WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This just meets WP:GNG. I actually do think that content like this article, Green Bay Packers, Inc., and so on would be better contextualized in the team's article, but I don't see a basis in policy to delete them, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:17, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: References used in this article demonstrate the notability of the subject. Passes WP:GNG. AndySailz (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Possible keep. This source on Forbes is independent and reliable and counts towards GNG. this source is secondary and onpy partially contributes to GNG. The remaining sources are passing mentions, blogs, or not independent. Overall sourcing needs improvement. Flibirigit (talk) 11:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 15:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Several articles are present that will establish notability.Goodboyjj (talk) 06:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - And I mean weak. Holding companies typically are not notable as its their holdings that normally generate the WP:ORGCRIT needed for notability and notability would not be inherent simply because its the parent. However, the fact it gets attention in numerous books would push this to notability for me. Note that the Forbes reference would fall under WP:FORBESCON so I would not consider it for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kei Taniguchi

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A 17-game carer is some, but not much. It did not make him a well-known Japanese footballer, and there are no sources to sustain a BLP. Geschichte (talk) 07:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – The Japanese article does not provide any significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emran Barakzai

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Player without any notable spells who only played for Jong Ajax and amateur teams in the Netherlands. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. He played 6 minutes plus extra time of professional league football with Ajax U-23, where he was a bencher. Since, he has been playing amateur soccer, and not always on first squads. That is very healthy and much more than I ever did in soccer! Still, the coverage is either not independent or not SIGCOV. gidonb (talk) 23:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yusuf Barak

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Afghan player who only acted for regional teams in Germany. No WP:SIGCOV found. Svartner (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hervé Elame

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I can't find anything other than quick, passing references in both English and French. There appears to be nothing close to WP:SIGCOV on this player. Anwegmann (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - There are way too many players that do not fit this category and they exist on Wikipedia. I am referring to players playing third or fourth level of leagues. Боки 💬 📝 19:37, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFF applies to this argument. WP:SIGCOV is required for an article to pass WP:GNG, regardless of whether or not there are articles that would also fail that same test. Those articles, indeed, should be deleted as well. Anwegmann (talk) 20:27, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Soares (East Timorese footballer)

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Previous WP:PRODed in 2010. Played few matches for Timor-Leste, but fails in lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2024 All Japan High School Soccer Tournament prefectural qualifiers

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This page is in violation of WP:NOTDATABASE; from the sources and what I could search, I did not find WP:SIGCOV of these prefectural qualifications beyond some stats reporting. Very possible I missed items given the language barrier so open to additional sources, but as it stands this article fails both the sourcing test of WP:GNG and the WP:NOT test of GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:37, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2024 All Japan High School Soccer Tournament – As WP:ATD. I know the importance of All-Japan, but the qualifications are just matches between amateur young players. Svartner (talk) 00:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. It should be deleted. ~~ NipponHSS1 (talk) 00:04, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect article does not seem to have enough coverage to justify this split for these matches. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 21:04, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Jennings

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Non-notable footballer who appears to fail WP:SPORTCRIT. Unable to find any significant coverage, and the sources in the article are WP:ROUTINE match reports and transfer announcements. J Mo 101 (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandar Mirkov

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According to Soccerway, Mirkov spent his career at lower levels of Serbian football league before playing in Bosnia and Herzegovina for two years. He returned to his homeland to play regional football for OFK Kikinda in 2023, which is far from meeting WP:GNG. The only secondary source I found is a transfer announcement on Kikindski. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:52, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - There are way too many players that do not fit this category and they exist on Wikipedia. I am referring to players playing third or fourth level of leagues. Боки 💬 📝 19:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clear failure of WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 20:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luc Granitur

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 09:13, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—At the very, very least this is a WP:TOOSOON, but there is just nothing here to pass WP:GNG as it stands. Anwegmann (talk) 21:13, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stade François Monti

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Non notable local stadium with a capacity of 1,000. Mccapra (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to ÉF Bastia – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 22:48, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I should have thought of that. Mccapra (talk) 01:19, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 09:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to ÉF Bastia as a viable alternative to deletion. Netherzone (talk) 13:55, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect is fine. Bearian (talk) 01:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Jennings

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Subject doesn't meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC due to a lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Let'srun (talk) 14:04, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:48, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Jovan Trnić

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Serbian men's footballer who spent his entire career at the lower levels. Corresponding article on the Serbian Wikipedia is slightly longer, but even secondary sources are just passing mentions while the last is an interview without independent analysis, if I could read them correctly. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – There is more than 44 sources in sr.wiki article, it's should be checked carefully. Svartner (talk) 06:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep He didn't play his entire career in the lower leagues, in fact he played a good number of games in the second tier. (However Serbian First League is not a fully pro league like it says it is, in fact that league is semi-pro. Which also counts against some notability in my opinion.) I had a look at both articles and a lot of the citations between the two wiki's. I am somewhat confused about the, on loan for five seasons? I thought I read he was on loan for only two and then signed. There are a number of oddities with his career and the sources. Saying all this, with the amount of citations, they are pretty routine and some are really not acceptable in my opinion. However there is a build of them, and that builds up the story, along with it's oddities. I could have easily just said delete however my keep is very weak. Govvy (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (stronger) - the many, many sources on the Serbian page, even though many are short, are exactly what we would expect of a player who is notable in Serbia, as sports news in the area doesn't really do American-style feature stories on players. SportingFlyer T·C 16:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.
1,3,6,9,10,11,14,15,20,22,24,30,32,33,34,37,41,43,45: non-independent N.
2: interview, almost zero secondary coverage N.
4: passing mention N.
5 21: trivial coverage in routine transactional news N.
7: passing mention in quote N.
8 12 13 16: not mentioned N.
17 18 23 24 26 27 28 36 43: name drop N.
19: trivial mention N.
25 31 35 42: passing mention in primary match report N.
29: passing, non-encyclopedic mentions N.
38: passing mention N.
39: teammate's video on YouTube N.
40: primary highlight reel on YouTube, unknown provenance N.
Literally nothing even approaching non-trivial coverage, let alone GNG. The Serbian page is cobbled together from passing mentions and non-independent accounts from his own clubs. I would estimate there are no more than 15 non-quote/interview-based, prose sentences on him across all 25 sources that aren't from the federation/club, and that's even including the ineligible primary match recaps like
Except for before the break, when goalkeeper Trnić and Benjamin collided while chasing the ball, there was no excitement before the goals, which confirmed what the table shows – the inefficiency of both teams.
As soon as the second half started, the guests were left with a player less, the referee showed a red card to goalkeeper Trnić.
Then Admir Kecap entered the scene, who on three occasions had more than a reasonable chance, but Trnić managed to prevent the advantage of the home team.
and routine transactional reports like
Trnić, who is 18 years old, spent the previous season in Partizan's branch Teleoptik.
there is also the youngster Jovan Trnić who is gaining experience in Teleoptik.
the contracts are for three years, and were signed by goalkeepers Jovan Trnić (1996) and Đorđe Vukanić (2000), as well as striker Nikola Nović (2000).
JoelleJay (talk) 17:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is absolutely fucked analysis from the most extreme sports deletionist on the website. You are trying to read Western standards into Serbian journalism. Trnić is clearly a notable Serbian football player. SportingFlyer T·C 18:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Temi Adesodun

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20 Championship appearances [78] before not playing for three years. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joey Madigan

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Subject doesn't have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 13:22, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - have yet to find significant coverage of the subject.Lorraine Crane (talk) 03:12, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Karani

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only sources in the article are primary and all I could find elsewhere were a couple of sentences of coverage at [[79]], which isn't quite enough for notability to be established. While the previous AfD closed as "keep", that was based on WP:NFOOTY, which has since been depreciated. Let'srun (talk) 14:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:18, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete definitely no WP:GNG pass. best, GPL93 (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tolani Ibikunle

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current references are all primary to the clubs and leagues the subject has played for, and while [[80]] has some quotes from the subject the article is more about MLS referees having a racial bias than him. Let'srun (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:18, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emerson Nieto

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of significant coverage. The only references in the article are primary and I couldn't find anything elsewhere to support notability. Let'srun (talk) 14:14, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep subject looks notable based on Indyeleven.com. (talk) 00:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mysecretgarden, Indyeleven.com is his team's website. That is not an independent source. JoelleJay (talk) 01:02, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, didn't notice that. Changing my vote to DELETE. Mysecretgarden (talk) 03:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Grosh

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources in the article are all primary and a search elsewhere didn't come up with anything to support notability here. Let'srun (talk) 14:21, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Most are references profiles. Subject does not enough coverage. Mysecretgarden (talk) 00:27, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stadion SC Mladost

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Reverted redirect, without improvement. Lots of mentions, but searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to support meeting WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to FK Železničar Pančevo – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 23:02, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Svartner. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 11:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to FK Železničar Pančevo I think redirect makes the most sense here. Lacks sufficient RSes to demonstrate notability on its own merits but there is sufficient notability for the redirect I think.

Dodô (footballer, born 1990)

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Fails GNG and SPORTCRIT due to his career never getting off the ground, recording mere minutes of play in his many clubs, and lack of significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 09:21, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – He was runner-up in the J-League with Gamba Osaka, but I didn't find any WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 23:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It lucks enough media coverage to shows its notability; but can be kept if the user provide sufficient relevant sources for it ... 110 and 135 (talk) 18:38, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doda (footballer)

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No usable sources (including ja:wiki) and not really anything resembling a claim to notability to meet either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. No valid redirect target. Geschichte (talk) 09:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I didn't find anything about him even in databases. Svartner (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It lacks sufficient notability and doesn't have enough media coverage. 110 and 135 (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Takuma Nakajima

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Previously deleted. No trace of notability, only 1 match on J League level. Geschichte (talk) 09:17, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:02, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:18, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

József Somogyi (footballer, born 1955)

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Was soft-deleted through AfD back in October, after which it was quickly recreated, even though they didn't go through the object process. Same issues still apply as per Demt1298's original nom: "Fails WP:GNG. Searches have failed to show WP:SIGCOV " Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Searches have failed to show WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 23:49, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:10, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hrach Kaprielian

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Non-notable businessman. Lacking any WP:RS. Cabrils (talk) 01:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep - @Wcquidditch please consider withdrawing this nomination. I have added over a dozen new citations. He is a well known Armenian businessman and philanthropist. Mainly take a look at these: ankakh.com and westernarmeniatv.com (English documentary of the same is here). There are many more citations if you search his name in Armenian. I stopped looking as I have found enough. I have also greatly expanded the article and his bio.Mysecretgarden (talk) 03:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Any withdrawal of this nomination will not be coming from me. I only performed deletion sorting here and am not the nominator — Cabrils (talk · contribs) is. I have no opinion on the nominated article or the new sources. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. @Cabrils seems to be the nominator. I will also message him. Mysecretgarden (talk) 03:17, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all for the pings. Mysecretgarden would you mind please providing WP:THREE-- it will be the fastest way to resolve this, thanks. Cabrils (talk) 02:35, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Carry

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The article seems to be AI generated as many others by this user and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Even the primary sources do not support some of the claims in the article. C 679 04:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Ian Carry meets WP:COACH through notable roles including head coach at NCAA Division I level, interim coach of a national team, goalkeeping coach of a national team, and current head coach of the U.S. Men's Beach Soccer National Team.[81][82] He has held multiple verified coaching and technical[83]positions at national and[84]collegiate levels.[85] The article is not AI-generated and is improvable. Wq4m820 (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oscar Gil (soccer, born 1983)

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The article seems to be AI generated as many others by this user and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Even the primary sources do not support some of the claims in the article. C 679 04:07, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I didn't find anything about his spell at Vasco da Gama. And excluding the T&T newspaper source, none of the others seem reliable. If he was that important to futsal/beach soccer in the US there would certainly be more sources. Svartner (talk) 07:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This article was not made with AI.
Moderated BS world Cup Was nominated for Soccer League hall of fame for time with Beach Socer USA national team. According to the Wikipedia page for the 2012 Mundialito de Clubes, a player named “Gil” scored in two separate matches for Vasco da Gama. futsal, a sport with even less media coverage, has documented his national participation as well, as shown in this 2010 report from FutsalPlanet. This supports notability under WP:NATHLETE, which considers athletes who have competed at the highest level of their sport, including international representation. (sourcing for wiki page is needed, research can be done - and found). Wq4m820 (talk) 14:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that none of these sources are independent or provide in-depth coverage of him. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NATHLETE, SIGCOV is not required in the same manner as WP:GNG. That's Policy. Notability is established by participation at the highest level of competition, including international representation. Oscar Gil’s involvement with the U.S. national beach soccer team and participation in major international tournaments clearly meets this criterion. While stronger independent sourcing would be ideal (and can be worked on accordingly), the current evidence satisfies WP:NATHLETE’s standards for retaining the article. Wq4m820 (talk) 00:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The actual language in WP:ATHLETE, which is in bold letters, is The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline. JTtheOG (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wq4m820, please actually read WP:NSPORTS. All subjects must meet GNG, and all biographies of sportspeople are required to cite an IRS SIGCOV source. JoelleJay (talk) 15:44, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Upon rereading WP:NATHLETE in full, I recognize that significant coverage from at least one independent, reliable source is still required. I maintain that Gil’s international participation aligns with the competitive notability standard, but absent a SIGCOV source at this time. If deletion proceeds, I’d support userfication so the article can be improved for a future resubmission. Wq4m820 (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:35, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per "renowned" in the first line. And the lack of an WP:NSPORTS pass. FOARP (talk) 10:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He does have coverage, e.g. this and this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While those do contain coverage, the first is not independent as it is the newspaper plugging the winner of its own award, and both are local coverage of a high schooler, so fail YOUNGATH. I think it's clear that if the only coverage is from his HS career then a standalone is not warranted, so delete. JoelleJay (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's no prohibition on high school coverage from counting towards notability; YOUNGATH only says that it needs to be substantial and independent, though at the moment I agree with you on this subject's notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there is the statement the second clause excludes the majority of local coverage in both news sources and sports specific publications. But ok, there's no outright prohibition. JoelleJay (talk) 17:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 OFC U-16 Women's Championship qualification

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Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT, Just a results listings of an under 16 competition. No appropriate redirect target.

I am also nominating the following related page:

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Keep see coverage that goes beyond WP:ROUTINE, beyond simple listing of scores and other results. U-16: Friends of Football: [86], [87], [88]. Football in Oceania: [89]. Samoa News: [90]. U-19: Friends of Football: [91]. Talanoao 'O Tonga: [92]. Just to note, this is an example of coverage from a competition that I would consider routine: [93]. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 05:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The football related sources cannot be considered independent third party sources. This source and this which you have identified are about the U19 team and not this event? LibStar (talk) 05:07, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. Misread the nomination and thought the other nominated page was U-19. Why should the others not be considered independent third-party sources? They are reliable with journalistic backing.

Additionally, U-16 sources: [94], [95] Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 05:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not journalist backing or considered reliable press. They appear to be blog sites and unreliable as per WP:SPS. LibStar (talk) 05:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as not notable, but in time the qualification process can be mentioned on the parent articles if/when they are created. Giant Snowman 11:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep obviously, as this is a tournament's legitimate qualification method, and these matches' results count towards it. Should we delete the page about the qualification for the 2026 FIFA World Cup then? Gianluca91 (talk) 17:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a reason for keeping. A FIFA World Cup generates a massive amount of coverage, this event does not. How does this article meet WP:SPORTSEVENT? LibStar (talk) 23:53, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Thiel

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The only source for this football player is a bio from his club. I was unable to find any independent sources, including on the wikipedia library. It's possible there's something older and non-digitized that I'm missing, but I've had no luck at all. — Moriwen (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I've found 1 article on Newsbank, but Australian online coverage from the 1980s is extremely poor, and even recent Adelaide papers are behind paywalls. Absolutely guaranteed that there is a heap of coverage offline of a ten year player, twice winning the premiership, and dying young. The-Pope (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As per comments of The-Pope. Added another source as well. Sheijiashaojun (talk) 02:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Bresser

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Does not meet WP:BIO. Unable to find significant independent coverage, although his club (PSV) has some press releases; other than that, it's just database entries. — Moriwen (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft Not sure why it wasn't sent to draft space in the first place. Could easily be notable in the future. Govvy (talk) 20:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's more than 90 days old and therefore ineligible, alas.— Moriwen (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since presently notable. There is a huge distance between the intro and the facts on the ground. SIGCOV sources: ESPN article by Daan Sutorius and AD article by Rik Elfrink. These are multiple sources that support notability. Other items that fall short of standalone SIGCOV yet can cumulatively contribute to such (i.e. do not analyze individually!): [96][97][98][99][100][101]. Among these are additional articles by the sports journalist Rik Elfrink. gidonb (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@Moriwen, Govvy, Svartner, and GiantSnowman: Courtesy ping, please review the sources presented above. ✗plicit 00:09, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The ESPN article looks good, the other sources are either superficial or paywalled. I still think draftify is the best alternative for now. Svartner (talk) 05:09, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The AD source is great. I did look behind the paywall. gidonb (talk) 16:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. ESPN.nl is hardly an independent source, given their extensive contract and mixed finances with Eredivisie Media & Marketing and direct collaboration with the Eredivisie clubs. Eredivisie Media & Marketing CV was established by the Eredivisie clubs in 2008 to exploit their collective media and sponsorship rights. The company's first major achievement was the launch of the television channel Eredivisie Live, the first owned television channel by clubs in Europe. In 2012, FOX International Channels acquired a majority stake in EMM, and Eredivisie Live was renamed FOX Sports a year later. In 2019, The Walt Disney Company acquired the majority share. Since January 1, 2021, the television channel has been known as ESPN. With just the AD source I think it's reasonable to draftify until further coverage becomes available. JoelleJay (talk) 18:30, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marcelo Rosa (footballer, born 1991)

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Player with few professional appearances, most for Minas Gerais state clubs in lower levels. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Villa Nova Atlético Clube (where he plays midfielder). Does not seem notable on his own. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He barely played for the club, there is no point in redirecting. Svartner (talk) 17:22, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Spurs Sports & Entertainment

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The holding company is not-notable and fails WP:NCORP. The article is primarily content about the San Antonio Spurs, not the holding company, then a WP:SYNTHed-together reporting of the holding company's portfolio. Longhornsg (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - sports teams holding companies often are notable. Doing a before search brings up many hits for the company. Mostly books related to sports management. But I agree, the article should be redone to be less focused on the Spurs. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hits yes, but it's WP:ROUTINE coverage, which is what I found in my before. Are the cites in the books WP:SIGCOV of SS&E specifically? Longhornsg (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some books have had multiple pages dedicated to SS&E, such as these, and they are national authors too rather than local San Antonio coverage.

https://books.google.com/books?id=C9SbUYGyCvcC&pg=PA335&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgMEAM

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Transforming_San_Antonio/-ETpCAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&pg=PA180&printsec=frontcover

https://books.google.com/books?id=gVlkCQAAQBAJ&pg=PP3&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinI7vwMSNAxXTPUQIHcnLDN8Q6AF6BAgNEAM

https://books.google.com/books?id=ZSziAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA6&dq=Spurs+Sports+%26+Entertainment&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijo4DawcSNAxWgO0QIHftkCnw4ChDoAXoECAUQAw ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The sources present in the article already demonstrates WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This just meets WP:GNG. I actually do think that content like this article, Green Bay Packers, Inc., and so on would be better contextualized in the team's article, but I don't see a basis in policy to delete them, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:17, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: References used in this article demonstrate the notability of the subject. Passes WP:GNG. AndySailz (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Possible keep. This source on Forbes is independent and reliable and counts towards GNG. this source is secondary and onpy partially contributes to GNG. The remaining sources are passing mentions, blogs, or not independent. Overall sourcing needs improvement. Flibirigit (talk) 11:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 15:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Several articles are present that will establish notability.Goodboyjj (talk) 06:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - And I mean weak. Holding companies typically are not notable as its their holdings that normally generate the WP:ORGCRIT needed for notability and notability would not be inherent simply because its the parent. However, the fact it gets attention in numerous books would push this to notability for me. Note that the Forbes reference would fall under WP:FORBESCON so I would not consider it for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Corbin McPherson

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This is a non-notable minor ice hockey player who fails WP:NHOCKEY HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:27, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Florida Atlantic Owls Hockey Club

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The article seems to be AI generated as many others by this user and half of the links are not properly functioning. The only working, possibly independent source is WFLX, and it's not clear that it is sufficiently independent or deep coverage in any case. C 679 03:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Not commenting on the massive mess this user is making of biographies, but the WFLX and WPTV references should be the same thing (WPTV partially operates WFLX under agreement). The correct WPTV link is [102] and would be preferred. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 05:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Possible keep: The sources from WFLX and WPTV references are duplicates, but still count as one independent reliable source for GNG. The six sources from the university do not contribute, and the hockeywriters source is only a passing mention. Flibirigit (talk) 14:17, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (with work) - Article can be improved and rewritten. WPTV/WFLX source is good. Yahoo Sports source adds to notability but comes from those above. * trvial mention here in larger reading on Florida collegiate hockey. * UPress, independent from the hockey club itself and adds independent coverage. This helps support notability under WP:NORG. Wq4m820 (talk) 01:25, 25 May 2025 (UTC) contribs)[reply]
Redirect to Florida Atlantic Owls#Non-varsity_sports, or merge with that section on the FAU Athletics article. The FAU hockey club is not notable and does not warrant its own article outside of the section on the FAU athletics page. Generally, college hockey clubs are not notable enough to get their own page, which is why there is usually a non-varsity section on the school's athletics article. Tomhol811 (talk) 21:16, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Florida Atlantic Owls: as an AtD. No evidence of sufficient independent WP:SIGCOV for a standalone page here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aron Reisz

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 01:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible keep. I see 13 sources listed in this article, seven on which appear to be reliable web sites or news sources in Hungarian and German. I'm curious exactly where the nominator searched in a WP:BEFORE. Were non-English language articles searched? Flibirigit (talk) 11:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not finding much significant coverage of the player in reliable sources. Significant coverage is only in a hockey blog. There is certainly difficulty in searching Hungarian sources, but thus far my search has been unsuccessful.

Here is a quick assessment of the sources in the article (note: I am relying on google translate for these). Not sure if this will change your mind @Flibirigit:

1,4,8,10,11,12 are from a hockey blog and are not reliable

2: About national team, not player. Reisz only mentioned in roster list.

3: Only appears in roster list

5: Routine game coverage mentioning Reisz goal

6: Routine game coverage that mentions Reisz

7: Page not found

9: Behind paywall; most likely source for establishing notability

13: Only appears in roster list

Given there is only one potentially reliable, in-depth source this article should be deleted as it doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 02:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - found three Hungarian sources [103], [104], and [105]. The last one is tabloidy but the first two seem to be on a legitimate news site. Zzz plant (talk) 12:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Niko de Weymann

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Non-notable supposed polymath. Claimed notability in numerous fields but fails to meet relevant guidelines an any: fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NSPORTSPERSON, WP:NCREATIVE, WP:MUSICBIO. Cabrils (talk) 00:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Global Fight League

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This article is clearly promotional WP:PROMOTION. The event never took place. It is not clear why it deserves a Wikipedia article, let along three (Global Fight League, GFL 1 (2025), GFL 2 (2025)). It is unknown whether this event will ever take place or will have a long history. Notability has to be sustained WP:NSUSTAINED. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. WP:NOTNP JohnMizuki (talk) 10:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. While I consider this article as having promotional language not suitable for the mainspace, that’s language that can be fixed through editing. However, the fact that it’s cancelled means that it should be draftified until more recent, independent sources get added to the article released after its cancellation other than just announcements and details of cancellation, etc. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 12:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify Per Kaito-san Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:38, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. due to cancellation. The subject may be potentially notable, but I recall that articles about upcoming events or films should generally not be live unless their release is certain Goodboyjj (talk) 05:25, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. I agree with everything Kaito-san wrote. Most probably the fate of the organization as a whole will be clear in half a year. Ticelon (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Agallar

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The subject doesn't seem to meet WP:NMMA, and was never ranked in the top 10 world rankings, highest ranked achieved was #16 according to Fight Matrix see: [106]. Lekkha Moun (talk) 17:10, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Some coverage here: apparently he won some sort of world title? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cool find. Never heard of Absolute Fighting Championship, I'm not convinced this is big enough to pass WP:NMMA. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to meet WP:NMMA and lost all 3 of his fights to fighters ranked in the top 20. The article has no significant independent coverage. My search found him mentioned in databases and fight results, but that's not enough to meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. According to WP:MMANOT, Absolute Fighting was a second tier promotion and added nothing to a fighter's notability. Papaursa (talk) 01:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oskar Piechota

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Subject has lost 4 of his 5 fights in the UFC, and has been released. According to Fight Matrix, his highest ranked achieved was #48 [107], doesn't appear to meet WP:NMMA. I don't see this article meeting WP:GNG with mostly fights results and passing mentions. Lekkha Moun (talk) 08:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Seems fine for Basic WP:GNG to me with what whats on the article and pt:Oskar Piechota. Govvy (talk) 08:01, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your vote is based on the Polish wiki article? My analysis has only found fight results, fight announcements, profiles, nothing to establish WP:GNG at all. For example, all four MMA Junkie articles are fight results. Please let us know which source you consider independent significant coverage, because I don't see any. Below is my analysis of all 16 Polish wiki sources in order:
- [108]: Figther profile N
- [109] UFC Rankings N
- [110] Fighter profiles N
- [111] Tapology profile N
- [112] UFC profile again N
- [113] fight announcement/passing mention N
- [114] Routine fight result coverage N
- [115] Event announcement N
- [116] Fight result N
- [117] Event announcement N
- [118] Fight result N
- [119] Fight announcement N
- [120] Fight result N
- [121] Fight result N
- [122] UFC 245 Results N
- [123] Sherdog profile N
Passing mentions and event results are not sufficient to meet GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to meet WP:NMMA or WP:ANYBIO. My search of the references in the English article produced essentially the same conclusions as Lekha Moun. I don't see how he meets WP:GNG or any other WP notability criteria. If someone can use WP:THREE and show me how he meets WP:GNG, I will reevaluate my vote. Papaursa (talk) 01:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep You can't just delete an article because the parameters have now changed for Notability. At the time the article was made, they were required to have 3 fights in the UFC. If you're gonna set the precedent of deleting the article of someone with 6 UFC fights. That means that 85% of all fighters who have fought in the UFC need to have their articles deleted too. Also he didn't lose 4 out of his 5 UFC fights. When he went 2-3 with 1 No Contest.Rickyc123 (talk) 11:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, SNG can be changed at any time by consensus. A few years ago sports notability criteria were significantly changed when participation criteria were removed. In fact, some sports were removed completely from WP:NSPORT. Papaursa (talk) 16:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rickyc123: You can't just delete an article because the parameters have now changed for Notability. – This is actually a very common thing. Notability guidelines are often updated for a reason, and if an article doesn't meet whatever new guidelines are established (or GNG if the SNG is removed), then it's perfectly reasonable to nominate an article for deletion. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The requisite citation to an IRS SIGCOV source has not been identified, and certainly neither has anything approaching GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Bow

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Meets neither GNG or NMMA, and as it's the only page the creator has ever worked on, I'm going to say probably a vanity page, or at least some sort of conflict of interest. Nswix (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Rift (talk) 03:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Bow actually meets WP:NMMA, having been top 10 in the world in FightMatrix rankings in several years.^[2] While the article certainly lacks a whole lot of references and needs to be worked on regarding WP:NPOV among many other issues, it still has grounds to become approved. Ticelon (talk) 09:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I missed that, only having caught his 'last ranking'. Nswix (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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SIGCOV here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Bow does meet WP:NMMA, though I don't know how fightmatrix's ranking system works. He beat 6 unranked opponents when he started to get to #6 and finished 1-5 again top 20 fighters. I don't think that one article in a local paper about him winning a minor event qualifies as the multiple, independent, reliable sources mentioned at WP:GNG nor does he meet WP:ANYBIO. I also grant that there may be more coverage of him that hasn't yet been found. Normally I'd default to the view that meeting WP:NMMA is sufficient, but in this case I think I'll abstain. Papaursa (talk) 23:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the guy didn't really beat anyone, has one article in a local paper from before he was a pro, but for whatever reason meets this weird criteria of having been ranked in the top ten at a time when his weight class barely existed, so he barely passes one of the criteria for NMMA... weird. Nswix (talk) 05:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Indeed reads like a vanity page. Lekkha Moun (talk) 19:29, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The fighter is non-notable, barely any coverage or mention. Even to most hard core fans. I personally think that the Top 10 ranking technicality is voided, and does not make him pass guidelines. I will side with what the majority desires. Lekkha Moun (talk) 17:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Should the article is draftified, I promise to improve it within the given timeline barring lack of credible references. Ticelon (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eric Rhead

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No significant coverage in secondary, reliable sources. Sources currently used are database and self-published. Best source I found was this, but does not qualify as GNG since not from an independent news source Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't quite have enough media coverage, the best is from Nascar.com [124]. I don't see other media covering this person, so just not enough to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: my findings so far is in agreement with the nominator.Lorraine Crane (talk) 02:15, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cody Kiemele

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Cannot find strong secondary coverage, minor part-time driver that relies on database sources for most content Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:47, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The author has provided this source [125], it should be considered when looking at the article overall Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:46, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't an independent source: Cronkite News is an Arizona State University publication and the story is about Kiemele being recruited by ASU. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rick Goodale

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Coverage of racing career is minimal, limited to database entries & generic entry list sources. Anything moderately decent is from his time as a police officer, of which the only coverage received was losing his job, which does not extend beyond local coverage from what i found Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 23:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Couldn't find any SIGCOV and I don't belive racing in Arca is inherently notable. Esolo5002 (talk) 01:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have found more sources regarding his racing career as well as his occupation before his firing Finn Shipley (talk) 01:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you added are not significant coverage. Esolo5002 (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Seems to be a case of WP:ONEEVENT. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandre Berardo

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Fails WP:BIO. A co-driver in electric car regularity rally events doesn't get much notice. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:03, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Fails to show WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Fade258 (talk) 07:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Bowers

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Regional-level NASCAR driver with no championship wins. Fails to meet WP:NMOTORSPORT or WP:WikiProject NASCAR/Standards. Citations are database entries and an obit. Nothing better found on search. — Moriwen (talk) 19:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Idaho Statesman wrote a great deal of stories about him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are pages on hundreds of "regional drivers", the page could use more sources but shouldn't be deleted. ThunderC12 (talk) 23:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't think this is the same person [126], that's about all for sourcing... I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:18, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thoughts on what BeanieFan11 linked above? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:31, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No sources have been presented yet - just a search tally. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep coverage of driver through BeanieFan11's link seems to show sigcov. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 01:38, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Am I seeing the same as you? All I see is that the keywords Jerry + Bowers yield 10,707 matches when restricted to Idaho newspapers. The same keywords, incidentally, yield 1,860,588 hits across the whole collection, of which 12,678 are in England. Unsurprising since there are many people named Bowers who will be mentioned in articles also mentioning people named Jerry in English language newspapers, but why would we think any of those are about this person? If all we have is a search tally then we have no sources yet. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you're logged in to Newspapers.com, it shows "best match" articles. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so which of these are not just news reports but secondary sources? And all I see when doing that, is the Idaho Statemsan, which would count as one source if any of these are secondary. Again, we need to go on more than a search results list. Could we find a few sources showing more than one newspaper, and more than straight news reports? Thanks.
ETA: This link will allow access to the search list and the related articles through the Wikipedia Library: [127] Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Some sources: 1 2 3A 3B Some others that aren't as good 4 5 6 Obit: 7 ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for these. The first of these significantly covers him, in an article occasioned by his climb towards a national NASCAR circuit placement. By the third article, written 2 years later, his dreams, it seems, have become a reality. Now these are all in one paper, the Idaho Statesman, and primarily written by the same correspondent: Ray Giffin. The Idaho Statesman is the daily newspaper of Boise, Idaho. We are told he went to school in Meridian Idaho, which is an adjacent conurbation to Boise, so the greater Boise area. This is local interest coverage, although it is significant.
GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable and secondary sources. Multiple articles in a single source like this will count as a single source for GNG. This is especially relevant when the source is of a local nature. So - is there anything else? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:09, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kotaro Shimbara

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Subject does not quite pass WP:SPORTCRIT and a cursory search did not yield anything useful. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:41, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is no indication that @Vanderwaalforces did even a cursory WP:BEFORE search in Japanese WP:NOENG or is competent enough in Japanese to do so. Just the first page of Japanese results include a full-length feature in Motorsport Magazine (which while partially an interview passes for notability), Auto Sport coverage of his Honda Racing School scholarship (also in Chinichi Shimbun), another full feature in JSport, along with regular coverage of his race results. DCsansei (talk) 04:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DCsansei Ah, I surely I’m not Japanese neither do I speak the language; so, thank you so much for pointing to those sources. I checked them, and the machine translations I used were pretty competent in giving me an English version; they, I mean all the sources your mentioned, do not contribute to adding a substance of notability for the subject. Winning a school championship does not count in itself at all, and having sources that either fail WP:INDEPENDENT or WP:SIGCOV do not help too. @JTtheOG thoughts? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:19, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely none of the sources DCsansei provided fail WP:INDEPENDENT. You could, at most, class Auto Sport as WP:ROUTINE. MSport1005 (talk) 08:02, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, the publications might not be directly connected to the subject, but those pieces from them clearly are. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:03, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Those pieces from them clearly are" isn't a compelling argument. You're gonna need to try harder. MSport1005 (talk) 22:22, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned, I only looked at the first page of results. Doing a competent WP:BEFORE is something nominators are expected to do, which you've stated you're unable to do in Japanese. DCsansei (talk) 11:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you both provide clear-cut GNG-sufficient sources to establish notability for the subject, then I am still very confident the subject does not meet the threshold. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:29, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This seems like a borderline case from a WP:GNG perspective, although Formula Four drivers are rarely notable. My suspicion is that this needs a thorough WP:BEFORE review from multiple people who can read Japanese to resolve the above dispute. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No indication that a WP:BEFORE search was conducted in Japanese or that the nominator is competent enough in Japanese to do so. What DCsansei said is correct, and I agree with the statement made before

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@Thfeeder I’m sorry, but your !vote is baseless in terms of policy as it applies to notability, which is what I am questioning in the first place. You’re telling me I do not have competence in Japanese but you’re not bringing any source to justify your stance. If you are competent, please bring the sources and let us evaluate, that is what AfD is about, not to caste aspersions indirectly. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:56, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - I am going to mostly agree with HumanBodyPiloter5 here. It may well be borderline, but we are not at GNG on the sourcing presented so far. The reports that he will participate in FIA is routine announcements of the kind that every racer will get. These are not independent of the subject, because the announcement is not independent, regardless of who repeats it. It is technically primary news reporting, and also excluded on that basis. This can't be used to demonstrate notability on its own. If we accepted this then all F4 drivers would be automatically notable, and there is no consensus for that. So what we need are sources that independently cover the subject. It may also be WP:TOOSOON in that he is much more likely to be notable should he win races. Is there a suitable redirect target? If there is no suitable redirect, then I would suggest we draftify this new page (and this is my !vote for now). We have no evidence of notability, but we have at least the possibility that a deep search in Japanese searches will yield more, and also that he may do well and thus see more coverage. Equally, a very real possibility there are no better sources right now. But if the page creator of this new page can find sources, they could submit through AFC when they have been found. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify Seems new to the game and has not received significant coverage. May indeed be WP:TOOSOON. Ramos1990 (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Probably too low in the "minor leagues" to gather much attention. I searched for .jp sources, they all appear to be blogs. This site [128], has coverage typical of this, but that's pretty much it. I don't see enough to show notability. Sources above are as explained. Oaktree b (talk) 13:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b What do you think about draftifying the contents of this page and creating a redirect (to 2025 F4 Japanese Championship) as suggested by Sirfurboy below? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I continue to believe the GNG threshold is met for this article given the three separate sources I've provided. I'm also disappointed by the comment in the relist suggesting that a competent native-language WP:BEFORE is unnecessary. That would only make Wikipedia's systematic-bias problem worse. That said, if editors don't feel that the subject currently merits his own article, I suggest a merge to 2025 F4 Japanese Championship. DCsansei (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Source assessment by Sirfurboy - per the relist comment, here is my analysis of the sources we have. Reading the sources deeply, and especially the first two, I believe there may be reason to expect race wins will follow, and thus more publicity, and thus draftification may be in order. I note the merge suggestion by DCsansei, but think that merge there would put undue information on that page. However a redirect to there, preserving this page history in a redirect that can be overwritten should he become notable, is a perfectly good WP:ATD.

Motorsport - An article about the page subject profiling him and occasioned by the announcement that he will participate in the French F4. Now this is routine coverage of any new driver. They will gain a profile, put out by the team, and published in the appropriate press, when a new driver starts. It stands to reason that they will do this as part of their publicity, but this would only demonstrate notability if, in fact, all drivers are notable. They are not, and that is a consensus view. So what is wrong with the specific source? It is news (primary) and it is publicity put out by the team, so not independent. N
Autosport - News report that he won the racing school Suzuka scholarship. This demonstrates he shows promise, but it is not itself any kind of major race win. Rather it shows that he will get a place as a driver. Where it does not meet GNG is that this is a primary source: it is news reporting of his gaining a scholarship. WP:PRIMARYNEWS has guidance. People are not notable simply for gaining scholarships. N
Chunichi Shimbun - A passing mention. No SIGCOV. N
Jsports - This is an interview, and interviews are not independent and are primary. WP:IV has guidance. The occasion of an interview can be indicative, however. Thus, looking at this one, why is he interviewed? The piece says he aims to be a champion in the full race for the first time in two years this season. It is an interview of a hopeful. We could only accept this as in any way indicative of notability if all drivers are automatically notable. N

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:28, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking time to look at the sources yourself. I, of course, support draftifying the article and redirecting the title as suggested as that makes sense. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Draft would not be my choice, given the source analysis above and what I couldn't find... No strong objection if it does go that way. There might be Japanese sources that come up. Oaktree b (talk) 13:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Amateur sporting organization which does not assert WP:GNG. I found sources online that it exists, but nothing that was third party, independent, nor reliable. Flibirigit (talk) 01:23, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Paragon (professional wrestling)

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Duplicate of The Undisputed Era. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 22:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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been told that until there's a reliable source that indicates paragon is a contiuation the undisputed era its own article is for the best for now Imdeadinside12 (talk) 23:48, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Imdeadinside12 What source would that be? Lemonademan22 (talk) 13:08, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't that what you said on the Undisputed Era talk page? Imdeadinside12 (talk) 19:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Imdeadinside12 Negative. I said it would be a better option to make a seperate article than continue The Undisputed Era one as tha would be original resarch. Lemonademan22 (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isn’t that what happened tho? So what’s the proble? Imdeadinside12 (talk) 20:04, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Imdeadinside12 I do not know. I didn't nominate the article for deletion. You would have to ask the nominator that question. Lemonademan22 (talk) 22:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Short-lived faction with little to no significance. Members no longer affiliated according to AEW roster website and probably would not be brought back. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 22:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I was tempted many times to propose the article. Short lived stable, no in-deep reliable sources about it. I dont know the obsesion of AEW with stables. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:17, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are shorter articles with less significance. This faction technically has not even disbanded, two of the "former" members are wrestling on the same team in a match tonight. All of the former members (except one who works full time in Japan) are still active in AEW. This article shouldn't be anywhere near deletion. SwitchMIX (talk) 22:33, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Warriors 4 Christ Wrestling

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No notable pro wrestling promotion. quick search shows 0 results. Since it was deleted in 2008, i recomend WP:SALT HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment — Alternative weeklies are typically regarded as credible journalistic sources. Are we disregarding that source because of a dead URL? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 18:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- One source. Per WP:GNG, "multiple sources are generally expected" looking here, there are mostly wikias, reddit and facebook/youtube. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:44, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Glamarella

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Tag team lasting less than a year with very few notable appearances. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 14:32, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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[2] "Ryan Bow - MMA Fighter Profile, Record, Ranking - FightMatrix.com".

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