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Paul Albert Leitner
[edit]hi, you've flagged the article Paul Albert Leitner as "like a resumé". this was almost a year ago, nothing happened since. are you willing to discuss this? everything's properly sourced and quoted and from people from the field. i'd be willing to work on this, but i'm not sure what the problem is. maybe things sound different in english than they do in german? thanks! Mars Mli (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Of course, @Mars Mli I will have a look at it again, and get back to you here. I'm guessing it was probably flagged it while reviewing articles on New Page Patrol during a backlog, and it fell off my "radar screen". English WP and other language Wikipedias all have different standards for best practices and guidelines, so that may also be a factor. Netherzone (talk) 19:34, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, I had a look at the article, and see that the main problem was the long list of both solo and group exhibitions. I've moved these to the article talk page (and left a message there). The English Wikipedia's Manual of Style for visual arts states this about lists of exhibitions:
Long lists of exhibitions should be avoided. It will rarely be useful to mention more than five exhibitions. For contemporary and modern artists the venue of exhibitions can be important evidence of notability, but only the most important should be given.
My advice to you is to chose the five most prestigious solo shows (at either museums, major Kunsthalles or National Galleries (rather than commercial galleries or smaller venues); and make sure to add independent reliable sources to back up that these shows occurred (like a review, or a passage from an art history book or academic journal article). Then add these five exhibitions back to the article. - I also think the Awards section and Publications section and Further reading section can be trimmed per WP:NOTAWEBHOST and WP:NOTRESUME. Encyclopedia articles should be a synopsis of the most important accomplishments that contribute to a person's notability. The rest should be on the artist's personal website, or gallerists website.
- Thanks you for creating the article and for your contributions! Netherzone (talk) 19:53, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- thanks so much for your detailed response. i appreciate this a lot. the exhib-list was not on my radar at all. i will work on this an get back to you. Mars Mli (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, you are welcome! Don't hesitate to ping me or reach out here again if you have any other questions, or would like me to review the article again before removing the maintenance tag at the top of the article. Happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- i definitely will ping our before removing the tag. all the best, m Mars Mli (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, you are welcome! Don't hesitate to ping me or reach out here again if you have any other questions, or would like me to review the article again before removing the maintenance tag at the top of the article. Happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- thanks so much for your detailed response. i appreciate this a lot. the exhib-list was not on my radar at all. i will work on this an get back to you. Mars Mli (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mars Mli, I had a look at the article, and see that the main problem was the long list of both solo and group exhibitions. I've moved these to the article talk page (and left a message there). The English Wikipedia's Manual of Style for visual arts states this about lists of exhibitions:
June music
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Stravinsky pictured on his birthday + Vienna pics - but too many who died -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
While you are of course invited to check out my recommendations any day, today offers unusually a great writer of novels, music with light and a place with exquisite food. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing, Gerda. Netherzone (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
Draft:Edgar Fabián Frías
[edit]Hi, User:Netherzone thank you for reviewing my draft Edgar Fabián Frías , i have improved the article as you mentioned by removing blogs and other unreliable source as well as tried to write this again in a more neutral point of view, i have few doubts where i need your help with, i wanted to know are we allowed to use They/Them pronouns to describe a person who have openly came out as Queer in public, i have read the guidelines based on that in Wikipedia where it tell that we can, but still wanted someone else opinion on this. other than that do let me know what other improvements should i make for this Wikipedia page to make it sounds more neutral, and reliably source, any kind of suggestion will be highly aspirated looking forward to hear from you soon, thanks! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Frank Ludwig347, I will have deeper look at it when I get a chance in the next few days and let you know if any additional improvements are necessary. Thank you for your work improving the draft. Some of the tone still needs cleaning up, a couple things sound a bit promotional; and you should use their last name throughout rather than "Edgar". I'll get back to you at some point or make a few edits myself when I find the time. Of course it is perfectly OK to use they/them pronouns if that is what the person uses and/or it's in reliable sources. Thank you again for your contributions. Netherzone (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the help! I will also do the changes as you suggested! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Don't hesitate to ask if you have any further questions. When I come up for air I will have another look at the draft article (I'm quite busy at the moment). Happy editing. Netherzone (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the help! I will also do the changes as you suggested! Frank Ludwig347 (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
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Hi! Thanks for participating in the Articles for Creation June Backlog Drive! We've done amazing work so far, dropping the backlog by more than 2000 drafts already. We have around 600 drafts outstanding, and we need your help to get that down to zero in 5 days. We can do this, but we need all hands on deck to make this happen. A list of the pending drafts can be found at WP:AFCSORT, where you can select submissions in your area of interest. Thank you so much for your work so far, and happy reviewing! – DreamRimmer ■ 01:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
May 2025 NPP backlog drive – Points award
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| This award is given in recognition to Netherzone for accumulating at least 50 points during the May 2025 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 17,000+ articles reviewed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC) |
- Happy to help out! Netherzone (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
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WP-article about a French artist that needs improvement, if you're interested. Stumbled on it at [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi there @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Wow, thank you for thinking of me, but that would be a huge project to take on and I'm just not in the position of devoting a lot of time because of real-life commitments. The article is almost entirely unsourced, and mostly written in an anecdotal manner. It would require back-researching and retrofitting sources to match the current claims in the article. It seems that the best approach would be either TNT, or to prune it down to a short, but well sourced stub consisting of a paragraph or two (and moving the unsourced content to the talk page, or leave in article history.) That way editors could take their time rebuilding the content as sources are found.
- Courtesy ping @Willthehelpfuleditor Do you have any thoughts on stubbification rather than retrofitting? Netherzone (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the courtesy ping! Of course absolutely echo everything you are saying. Stubbification might be a good (if possibly the best) next step. However, I was maybe going to take a run at it, try to touch it up, and going through the French versions sources prior to that. Overall, the translated article is in such rough shape that it will still certainly need an overhaul. I think you are far more experienced on this and thus I'll trust your judgement in the end regarding the best steps to proceed with. Willthehelpfuleditor (talk 23:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello @Willthehelpfuleditor - Go for it, if you think you can take a run at it based on the French version. That would be great! I have the French fluency of a 5 year old. Ha! If working off the French article proves too labor intensive, I'm happy to help with trimming it back to a stub once a few decent sources are found. I can't spend too much time because travel, life, and two big real life projects are in the works. Nice meeting you here! Netherzone (talk) 23:46, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the courtesy ping! Of course absolutely echo everything you are saying. Stubbification might be a good (if possibly the best) next step. However, I was maybe going to take a run at it, try to touch it up, and going through the French versions sources prior to that. Overall, the translated article is in such rough shape that it will still certainly need an overhaul. I think you are far more experienced on this and thus I'll trust your judgement in the end regarding the best steps to proceed with. Willthehelpfuleditor (talk 23:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
June 2025 AfC backlog drive award
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Check out my talk, - if you have little time, listen to Gilda Cruz-Romo in the final scene of Aida, if you have more read her article, and if you have still more check out my music, some sung with me in choir, some played by friends, all heard with friends. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda! I quickly looked at the article which looks great - will read more deeply and listen when I have the time. Such a wonderful portrait of Gilda! Will check out your music as well. Netherzone (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! The image - as many others of articles I expand such as Helena Tattermuschová - was supplied by Storye book. - If you like Brahms, I recommend the streaming of yesterday's concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Today is Bastille Day, commemorated by a DYK as my "story" and a visit to the Bastille Opera in "music". I like the interview coming with the story, on the day before the big event, but for pomp and circumstance, the affair with 600 singing children and orchestra, and the singer dressed in the national flag, was also captured on videos, much slower. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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Re: Eric Johnson (sculptor)
[edit]I appreciate your editing the Eric Johnson article (I believe that was you), but I have questions on some things.
The section on art critics is the main proof of notability. I used the title "criticism and commentary" because the phrase is well understood in literature and fine arts, and because it is used in the articles for other artists, such as Ron Linden. See, for example:
- Assessing Writing Feedback: Criticism, Commentary, and Critique
- https://foxprinteditorial.com/2024/01/18/assessing-writing-feedback-criticism-commentary-and-critique/
You changed it to "reception", but to many of us, that's the food you set out for visitors to your art exhibit.
Shortening the quotes from the art critics makes them well, shorter, but it also gives the reader less information and makes for a choppy result.
In the Roberta Carrasso quote, you changed the capitalization of the scientific terms. That will get you a better grade on your English exam, but it's not what she said; they are capitalized in the original. Can I change it back?
I corrected some typos under WP:COIADVICE Julian in LA (talk) 00:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Julian, thanks for reaching out. I saw that Onel reviewed the article. It was hung up in the backlog for quite a while.
- Normally we use "Reception" for sections on how an artist's work is received by critics, art historians and the public, but that's not a hard and fast rule per the WP Manual of Style, so you can change it back to "Criticism and commentary". Your note about wine & food receptions made me smile, I'm more used to referring to those events as openings or vernissage. It never occurred to me that the readership would interpret the word "reception" thusly, but no worries, C&C is fine.
- Re: long quotations, prose summaries of what critics state is preferred. Long quotations can introduce copyright violations. The Manual of Style states that
Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. While quotations are an indispensable part of Wikipedia, excessive use of them is incompatible with an encyclopedic writing style and may be copyright infringement, so most of the content should be in the editor's own words. Consider paraphrasing quotations into plain and concise text when appropriate (while being aware that close paraphrasing can still violate copyright).
That is why I shortened and summarized the long quotations. - Re: capitalizations, there have been many debates about capitalization, as many as there are variants of the English language! The Manual of Style states:
Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence. Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia.
So even if the source has capitalized these terms, it is very doubtful that the majority of sources do. (Aside from your own or the critic's good grades on exams). If they are not proper nouns they should not be capitalized. So no, you should not change it back. - BTW, I've been meaning to continue to search for sources on line to help improve the article. I've currently got about 2,500 articles on my watchlist, so the going is slow getting to this. And I'm traveling quite a bit these days. Know that I haven't forgotten about the article.
- Best regards, and thanks for your contributions, Netherzone (talk) 02:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've already done an extensive search for sources, including on Newspapers.com, and asked the subject for suggestions. If you find new sources, you're a better researcher than I am. An earlier comment said that art museums publish a catalog of the thousands of works in their permanent collection, but I can't find one. Julian in LA (talk) 18:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Julian, Museums do keep a record of all their acquisitions. Whether they have this info online varies from institution to institution (usually dependent on how well-funded the institution is or what their priorities are.) Generally when a museum acquires a work thru a direct purchase, or a donation from a collector or the artist, a document is sent to the artist, collector or gallery from which the work was acquired. It's the job of museum registrars to keep these records and assign each work with an acquisition number. Also often museum's annual reports have info on works that are added to the collection each year (to keep the trustees and museum supporters informed). Some institutions publish newsletters with this info, for example, the UCLA Hammer museum sends out about 4 newsletters a year with this sort of info. So there are various ways to obtain this sort of data.
- I wouldn't worry about the maintenance tags, those are just flags for future improvements. I don't think the article is in danger of being deleted since he meets WP:GNG even it WP:NARTIST has not been met.
- A few weeks back I did a newspapers.com quick search, and I did find some things that could verify that he had shows at various venues. There wasn't any associated content, but it could help to build the article. When I find the time, I will go back and re-find those sources, or if you come across them that would be great. Post them on the article talk page.
- One other thought I had regarding improvements. You could ask the artist if they are comfortable releasing a photo of one of his works with an acceptable Creative Commons license. That would essentially release it into the public domain, and it could be used by anyone and mixed, altered or even sold, which is why many artists are reluctant to do this. But if Eric is ok with it, he could upload it directly to Commons, or if you did that on his behalf you would also need to provide an email from the artist sent to the Commons VRT team to prove that he released his copyrights. I know this sounds bureaucratic, but the purpose is to protect the rights of creatives. Netherzone (talk) 21:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've already done an extensive search for sources, including on Newspapers.com, and asked the subject for suggestions. If you find new sources, you're a better researcher than I am. An earlier comment said that art museums publish a catalog of the thousands of works in their permanent collection, but I can't find one. Julian in LA (talk) 18:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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