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2012 Iran Futsal's 2nd Division

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Going through these minor third-tier futsal leagues in Iran and tagging some for proposed deletion. This one has more sources than others, but none accessible seem to cover it at any significant length. Taking to AfD because not positive that this fails GNG. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 21:38, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: while not itself a reason for deletion (and I have no opinion in that realm), and easily fixable without deletion anyway, I can't imagine the continued presence of persistence of will be and similar phrases in an article for a sports season that happened 13 years ago is a good sign… that may indicate a lack of interest of updating the article, which would not be surprising if the significant coverage that would lead people to otherwise update the article and fix that while they're at it is also lacking. (But again, I have nothing to add on that count.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:44, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Igor Kuljanac

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Minimal career, simply not notable, rightfully prodded by @Spiderone in 2009. Geschichte (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Not notable under current guidelines. Maybe met a soccer related guideline in 2009, but it does not now and has no WP:SIGCOV. – Ike Lek (talk) 21:59, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ludovic Viltard

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French footballer who never rose his career to the top level; he only played (a total of) four Ligue 2 matches for three years between 2000 and 2003, before disappearing for two decades. I didn't find anything other than database sources and secondary ones showed the unrelated Malcom Viltard. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:59, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:19, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Felipe Argel

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I'm not sure what the claim to notability is supposed to be here. It looks like he played in the second league of Chile. Geschichte (talk) 07:12, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non-notable soccer player. Surayeproject3 (talk) 11:17, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:07, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:35, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fábio Monteiro

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User:Alexanderalgrim creation that certainly fails WP:SPORTCRIT, and also GNG. Tagged for notability back in 2011, and has also been prodded and deproddeed due to a guideline that no longer exists. Geschichte (talk) 07:08, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non-notable football player. Surayeproject3 (talk) 11:21, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This guy might come close to meeting the GNG: Of the 14 hits on Swissdox, I've got a paragraph or two here [1], a paragraph under "Fabian Frei a consolé le gardien Fabio Monteiro" in the TdG of 16.09.2019, and three mentions in a routine match article titled "Ein hilfloses Anrennen" in the 11.03.2013 Walliser Bote. A bit sparse though. Among the passing mentions are a video caption here [2] which says he "made several great saves" and this article [3] which describes him as "the excellent goalkeeper Fabio Monteiro, who made a number of high-class saves" (translations from Google Translate). I know some people frown on using routine match coverage at all, but I think this is a very weak keep for me. Toadspike [Talk] 17:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:35, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Oliveras

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Long-time stub of a footballer whose only claim to notability was playing for Bordeaux. I can't find any evidence of him playing for Ligue 2 club AC Arles-Avignon, and given that Oliveras was born in 1981, he is most likely retired. Article fails WP:GNG overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 03:09, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:49, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:43, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paolo Nedes

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This player has played one match in his career and has been without a club since 2022. I can't find any WP:SIGCOV in either English, Ukrainian, or Italian. Seems to fail WP:GNG rather clearly. Anwegmann (talk) 01:41, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Per nom, fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 03:26, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Delete – I could only find 2 non-database mentions, both passing mentions that were not independent of the subject. – Ike Lek (talk) 03:04, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Non-notable football player. Surayeproject3 (talk) 11:16, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:42, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Callum Osmand

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Unable to find WP:SIGCOV, and fails WP:GNG. I only found passing mentions about him. ChurnXeke (talk) 22:47, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Article already has SIGCOV. More would be ideal, but there is enough to justify keeping as is. – Ike Lek (talk) 01:54, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Looks enough for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:50, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fulham FC isn't independent, source 2 is a transfer rumour, source 3 routine transfer story with only two lines on Osmand, source 4 isn't independent, source 5 is a Q+A interview with no sigcov of him, source 6 is a blog and source 7 is better but not enough for sigcov. Notability isn't inherited from the clubs he has signed for. Also assuming there will be future sources about him is WP:CRYSTAL. Dougal18 (talk) 10:15, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Current source is absolutely not SIGCOV, it's ROUTINE/transfer stuff. Giant Snowman 18:42, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:29, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [4], [5], [6], and [7] among more sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:56, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources 1 and 4 fine, the others meh. It's enough though. Giant Snowman 18:28, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fransiskus Mumpo

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I am not able to find support of him meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I only found WP:PASSING mentions. [8] Geschichte (talk) 14:13, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Fransiskus Mumpo logged nine appearances for Perseru Serui in the fully-professional 2017 Liga 1 season, satisfying WP:NFOOTBALL; this can be proven by player databases such as worldfootball.net and Soccerway. Aeon Sentinel (talk) 16:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NFOOTBALL for players does not exist. Geschichte (talk) 18:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – All secondary sources I found were passing mentions in match reports and routine squad announcements. Corresponding article on Indonesian Wikipedia is just a stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:59, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Bisser

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Cameroonian player with four professional appearances in South Africa and Eswatini. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 11:59, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:41, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuel Emuejeraye

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Nigerian player with local career who played professionally for three years. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 11:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. His age is new enough where most resources would be online and a newspaper search would be unlikely. My searches brought nothing besides passing coverage. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 13:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, most sources from 2000s Nigerian wouldn't be easily online. Links go dead on the internet far sooner than that. Link rot: "Pew Research found that, in 2023, 38% of pages from 2013 went missing." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:40, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Al Ittihad SC (Nablus)

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Been tagged since 2023 for citations, was trying to have a go on finding sources, however the Al-Ittihad Club is Jeddah, Saudi Arabia dominates results. The information must have come from somewhere, although I feel it might have been entered first hand and not using secondary sources that we need. This at the moment fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, unless someone can prove me wrong. Regards, Govvy (talk) 08:50, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – The Arabic article is far more expansive. An assessment of it would be good. – Ike Lek (talk) 09:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Palestine#West Bank – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 11:32, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete One source, uncited, minor team in a little known league. Not notable.Metallurgist (talk) 23:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:40, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - if redirected inclined to move to Nablus city page; i.e. the Nablus#Sports section. Lf8u2 (talk) 01:33, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cristian Quiñones

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Professional footballer who may have only had three appearances max (possibly just two) at the second tier of American soccer. I couldn't find anything about his time at Santa Fe, but he only would've been in the age range of 16-19 at the time. Raskuly (talk) 07:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - could not find WP:SIGCOV to establish WP:GNG. Not much of a football career. Plus, his name is shared with others, several false positives turning up, including in academia and mixed martial arts, and maybe even another footballer and yet another footballer. Once I added "football" or "soccer" to the search terms, there were no more sources or false positives only, on Google News, Google Books, Google Scholar, Newspapers.com. If someone manages to find WP:SIGCOV, please ping me. starship.paint (talk / cont) 07:45, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per starship, though will change vote similarly if sources can be found. Weirdguyz (talk) 08:11, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 11:30, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Very few professional appearances, hasn't played since 2011 - fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:04, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above, fails GNG. Surayeproject3 (talk) 12:12, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:40, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Perez

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This was PRODed by another editor, but someone opposed it and deleted the request. I can't seem to find anything at all, much less WP:SIGCOV, on this player, whose career was nothing short of forgettable to begin with. Anwegmann (talk) 01:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Currently has no claim to notability. Svartner was probably right to PROD this one, but someone didn't consider it uncontroversial I guess. I'm open to looking deeper if someone adds any claim to notability other than him existing and playing soccer. Pinging @Bearian: who removed the PROD. – Ike Lek (talk) 02:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Subject appears to have WP:SIGCOV in [[9]], [[10]] and [[11]]. [[12]] is a YOUNGATH failure but provides additional info. Let'srun (talk) 04:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, well that's something. I discarded stuff about American football because I thought it was just multiple people sharing a pretty common name. Good catch. Ike Lek (talk) 05:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my concern: Only one of these sources even mentions him as a soccer/football player beyond a sentence. And I don't see how any of these actually count as sustained coverage. If these are enough to pass WP:SIGCOV, then he should be listed and described as an American football punter, because the only significant coverage on him covers him as such. I still can't find, and have not seen, anything on his career as a soccer/football player beyond the first source listed there. Anwegmann (talk) 05:28, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is kept, I'd be willing to help with a rewrite (although it is technically not required per NEXIST) to make that the main focus of the article, since that is where the subject has established notability. Let'srun (talk) 06:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded the article with details on his football career. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: The prod was controversial because (a) while there are good arguments both ways, (b) goalies are always controversial and "it's all his fault" and just getting attacked for being goalies, and thus (c) controversial. You don't need to know hardly anything about the game to understand that. I'm not sure a goalie's article (football, hockey, futsal, etc.) should ever go through Proposed Deletion, short of playing a de minimus amount of time or a total lack of coverage. Bearian (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Let'srun. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as per the conversation and thoughts from users who know more than me about football. Bearian (talk) 15:39, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Initially PRODed for having played mere 18 professional matches and not having WP:SIGCOV, but I vote to keep due to the sources presented by Let's run. Now, regarding Berian's justification that goalkeeper articles cannot be PRODed because the position is "controversial", is totally non-sense. Svartner (talk) 16:39, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Anwegmann (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call it nonsense. It just seems to misunderstand what "controversial" is referring to in this context. Ike Lek (talk) 22:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. It would be helpful if people bothered to update/tidy/improve articles, rather than just dumping sources. Giant Snowman 18:38, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. Per Let'srun. NotJamestack (talk) 19:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Bennett

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I couldn't access any of the sources, and it's unlikely this 60s footballer has SIGCOV. RossEvans19 (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - It seems like the sources do still exist, so it seems unfair to say they don't have SIGCOV without accessing them. – Ike Lek (talk) 21:43, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:09, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How so? Were you able to access the articles on the page? Ike Lek (talk) 01:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly WP:ROUTINE sources. Svartner (talk) 07:16, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no evidence of meeting WP:GNG. The sources I recently added to the article support content but don't demonstrate significant coverage. Hack (talk) 07:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. As there is limited evidence of significant coverage. The sources in the article (the existing match reports and some other stuff that I found in my own WP:BEFORE) can just about support some of the basic facts of the article (that the subject played football with Shamrock Rovers, when an amateur albeit top-tier Irish club, in the late 1950s; And later joined Sligo Rovers). But these statements (and the sources that support them) do not establish notability. As they are ROTM match reports and other directory-style stats sources. Nor can I find any material biographical coverage of the subject. (While I don't have access to the book mentioned as a possible source in the article, The Hoops: A History of Shamrock Rovers (1993), even if this book afforded specific biographical attention to this one footballer over all others [and that doesn't seem likely] even that type of coverage in a single book, alone, wouldn't meet SIGCOV.) Guliolopez (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:36, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Dubec

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Footballer with 103 minutes minutes in the top Slovak league followed by a publicised decision to stop football in order to focus on school [13]. Later career in the Austrian lower divisions does not seem to have attracted significant coverage. C 679 19:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning Keep – I found more articles about him quitting the Slovak league. [14][15] Seems like it got some coverage, but I'm not sure about WP:SUSTAINED. – Ike Lek (talk) 21:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Akiko Niwata

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Declined PROD. Just one appearance for Japan national team and no WP:SIGCOV found. Svartner (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Geschichte suggested a redirect to List of Japan women's international footballers, and I'm fine with this. Svartner (talk) 08:09, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Per Geschichte and Svartner, redirect to List of Japan women's international footballers. RossEvans19 (talk) 14:35, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments I hardly doubt as an English speaking person who doesn't know Japanese can do a WP:BEFORE this will be very hard when you don't speak Japanese! The Japanese version is not a great article, although it has more, the citations on it are poor, I've only found this one somewhat decent, but poor source, [16]. This would need a Japanese editor to show the notability. Govvy (talk) 09:02, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:36, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Hamid Tajik

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only sources are databases which don't support notability, and both searches elsewhere and the corresponding wikis didn't reveal anything better.Afghanistan at the 1948 Summer Olympics may be a suitable WP:ATD for these.

Per WP:BUNDLE, I'm nominating the following articles for deletion based on the same reason

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Now over 50 active Olympians at AFD. This is ridiculous. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The time for complaints about our systems being overloaded to be made was when individual editors were making these P&G-failing spam articles at a rate of 50+ per day. Right now we have the sad task of cleaning them up, 50 in a week is the minimum for us to ever stand a chance of doing so. FOARP (talk) 13:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, it does seem that community consensus is generally in favor, admittedly though with caveats, of draftification and redirecting based on the two LUGSTUBS RFCs. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:53, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You know they were considered acceptable until recently. It is not unreasonable to ask for the AFDs to slow down to allow me time to look. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Considered acceptable by some, they were always controversial. FOARP (talk) 21:44, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ Procedural close – This does not seem like an appropriate bundle. These are each worth individual consideration, as they do not appear to be spam, and while they are related, they are still separate people with separate careers. It is likely that some are notable and some aren't and thus they deserve to be discussed separately. – Ike Lek (talk) 21:43, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why is it "likely that some are notable"? You can't simply assert this based on them being Olympians: WP:NSPORTS2022 thoroughly rejected that assertion. FOARP (talk) 21:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did it? Where is that in the consensus? Ike Lek (talk) 23:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"the weight of arguments shows a rough consensus for proposal 3 which removes participation-based criteria from NSPORTS" - No-one is notable just for having taken part in something. FOARP (talk) 12:57, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You conveniently cut out the next words which are "except those based on olympic or similar participation". That appears to be a deliberate misrepresentation by you. Ike Lek (talk) 22:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Uh...no? Those are not the next words. The paragraph I quoted says in its entirety:
"That said, I saw consensus on two proposals. While numerically close, the weight of arguments shows a rough consensus for proposal 3 which removes participation-based criteria from NSPORTS. Proposal 5 had a substantial amount of support and participation, and there is a consensus to add an inclusion criterion for sports biographies requiring that they have at least one reference to a source which has significant coverage of the subject (which is slightly different from the original proposal 5). (original quote underlined)

Try assuming good faith next time. Also see WP:LUGSTUBS where this was debated in to the ground: just having been in the Olympics doesn't make you notable, participation-based notability criteria are not longer valid. The reference to "Olympics" in a subsequent paragraph way after my original quote is about Olympic medals. I already bailed out on this discussion as I've posted too much here already, but you're groundlessly accusing me of being a liar so a response was called for, I'm not going to post further here if I can help it. FOARP (talk) 11:27, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies. I did pull from the wrong section, and have misrepresented what you said. What I was referencing was "There is a rough consensus to eliminate participation-based criteria (except those based on olympic or similar participation).", which was not what you had quoted. While it is about the same proposal, I did mischaracterize what you had done, and for that I am genuinely sorry. Ike Lek (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all to Football at the 1948 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#Afghanistan – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 08:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close You should know by now that you shouldn't bundle biographies. Govvy (talk) 09:54, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since when was there a strict statement that this could not be done? We've had two super-bundles of roughly ~1000 sports bios each pass (WP:LUGSTUBS and WP:LUGSTUBS2), so why not this given these are all related articles? FOARP (talk) 12:43, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all and Good bundle - These articles are all based on the same sourcing, consist of substantially the same information, and are by the same (now-retired) editor with the same comment in the same ~24 hour period as part of the same series of mass-created articles. They all fail for lacking any SIGCOV from independent, reliable sources. It is for those wishing to unbundle them to show that they actually deserve separate treatment, by producing IRS SIGCOV for them showing that some may actually be notable when others are not.

Preventing bundling also goes against WP:FAIT (please note, WP:FAIT was endorsed in an ARBCOM decision) because it allows editors to create, through speed of editing, a fait accompli of many P&G-failing articles in one go, without other editors being able to clean them up in one go.

Pro-forma claims that there is a train-wreck, without any actual evidence that this is so, shouldn't be weighted heavily in any close and can only have the effect, if not necessarily the intent, of slowing down the necessary process of cleaning up notability-failing stubs without actually showing notability.FOARP (talk) 13:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect all. I agree that the Afghanistan at 1948 article works the best, and I do think this is a good bundling. If the bundle falls apart, not opposed to AFDíng all of them individiually also; most of them are LUGSTUBS anyways. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:52, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of them are "LUGSTUBS", just for the record. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, you are correct, although they were created in much the same manner, so I don't fault them for being confused on that. Let'srun (talk) 18:41, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural close - bad bundle, each needs to be considered on an individual basis. This AFD will soon turn into a clusterfuck as people debate the coverage of each athlete. Giant Snowman 19:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, did you look to see if any of these subjects, all created by the same editor and using the same database sourcing over a very short amount of time, have significant coverage? If you can show that even one of these subjects has significant coverage, I would considering withdrawing this bundle and nominating the subjects individually, but as it stands there has been zero significant coverage provided for any of the subjects in the bundle. As FOARP noted, WP:FAIT applies. Let'srun (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman - "This AFD will soon become a cluster[expletive deleted]..." - so maybe say it's a trainwreck then, when that actually happens? Something cannot be called a trainwreck just because it could possibly be a trainwreck if further sourcing were found. That sourcing has to be found first. And let's face it: how many people actually think it exists? I doubt even the most forthright of Olympian-article-fans thinks there's a ready-to-be discovered archive of 1940's Afghan newspapers out there. Indeed, 1948 predates every single print-newspaper on our list of Afghan newspapers, only the Bakhtar News Agency existed at that time of the outlets on our list, and this was a government wire-service the modern version of which doesn't report sports news at all. FOARP (talk) 21:42, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will also add that all of these subjects were mentioned by Olympic historian Paul Tchir as Olympians for which nothing is currently known: [[17]] Let'srun (talk) 21:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Clusterfuck, yes. Giant Snowman 17:40, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close (it's snowing) - biographies should be considered individually, even one as part of a much more defined group than this could have much different notability to another. Kingsif (talk) 23:08, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can we try not to compare to non-existant nominations, and try and make a policy-based argument? Again, I'm just looking to see if one of these subjects can be proven to be notable. I've already given one source that lists all of these subjects as having little to no biographical information known about them, and considering that some of the subjects could still be alive there are also WP:BLP/WP:BLP1E issues with them as well. Let'srun (talk) 00:28, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even in this very comment you make distinctions between the situations of the different biographies.

We don’t bundle biographies, especially in this case as the consensus after the attempted mass deletion of Lugstubs was not to do so in order to consider each on individual merits. Kingsif (talk) 11:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"We don’t bundle biographies" - This is simply not true. Two of biggest bundled discussions in the history of EN WP were directly related to sports bios (WP:LUGSTUBS, WP:LUGSTUBS2), both closed with a consensus in favour. FOARP (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...those being the reason we don't bundle bios... Kingsif (talk) 22:29, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't make any distinctions between the noms, and haven't seen anything to suggest that those discussions resulted in a decision to stop bundling other biographies. If there was such a discussion, please point me to it. Let'srun (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How is it a better use of our time to look at each of these subjects individually when you know that even a professor of sports history who literally specializes in Olympians has explicitly stated he can't find any information whatsoever on them? This is about as "defined" as you can get. And how can an AfD be "snowing" when at the time the !votes were 4-3 in favor of redirect......? JoelleJay (talk) 03:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are mistaken. It was 4-3 in favor of close. Edit history is available. Ike Lek (talk) 03:30, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You forgot to include myself (not that it matters since AfD is not a vote). Let'srun (talk) 03:55, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Ike Lek (talk) 05:19, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the reasons given why this is a bad bundle:
"Sources might be found"

"Biographies cannot be bundled"

Is there one that I've missed? Both are completely specious arguments. The first is only relevant when sources are found, but none has been, and the evidence is that even Olympic Historians have not found anything. The second is completely destroyed by simply looking at WP:LUGSTUBS and WP:LUGSTUBS2, two of the largest bundled discussion ever held, both entirely about biographies.

Editor time is one of our most precious resources. Spending it unnecessarily on patently weak technical arguments is something we should try to avoid where possible.

This is the opposite of a SNOW argument, it's a 100F heat-wave! FOARP (talk) 08:24, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources haven't been found because they haven't been looked for, at least not to a full extent, because this improper bundle is enough for closure. 3 of the nominated players were a part of Afghanistan's first ever football club. I think they may have coverage relating to that. It isn't worth hashing all that out in one shared AfD. Ike Lek (talk) 08:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Sources haven't been found because they haven't been looked for" - We've literally got Paul Tchir here saying he looked. FOARP (talk) 10:09, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I most definitely looked for sources before. Let'srun (talk) 16:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If for nothing else but accountability they should be discussed individually. But it’s not a good bundle, either. Bundling deletion noms is only for when pages have identical merits and the argument is lack of inherent notability for the only possible content. Just because these people were all on the same Olympic football team (and the argument for deletion that being part of that team is not notability-conferring) is not indicative of their whole careers or other potential individual achievements. Kingsif (talk) 11:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the argument is "I think some of them are notable" then you need to show that before declaring this a bad bundle. FOARP (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, the argument is they could be and they each deserve a discussion for individual merits for/against rather than trying to demonstrate collective merits when they're all individual. Bundling isn't just 'discuss 7 at once' and encouraging seven discussions in one, it's asking for singular arguments to be made for all seven. That's why it's a bad bundle, because there could be individual merits. Kingsif (talk) 22:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all. Literally nothing in WP:BUNDLE suggests biographies can't be bundled, so I don't know where that argument is coming from. Can anyone here demonstrate why any given article should be considered on its own, because otherwise I can't see how any "procedural close" !vote is valid. As FOARP said, this is a very tight bundle whose subjects would absolutely have the same sourcing if it exists, which, also as explained above, is extremely, extremely unlikely for a country that didn't have any print media at the time and for whom even dedicated Olympics historians can't find any information. Mass redirection saves us the major waste of time of individually inspecting these identically PAG-noncompliant articles. JoelleJay (talk) 02:53, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So if we're !voting delete, we're allowed to reference a WordPress blog and call them "dedicated Olympics historians". However, if we !vote keep, than Olympedia is just run by "amateurs" even though the same person from the blog in question "has also been a writer and scholar with Bill Mallon's Olympic research group OlyMADMen." Double standards? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:11, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone is doubting that Paul Tchir is an academic in this field because he plainly is one. The doubts around Olympedia are related to it being a group of ~30 members, overwhelmingly amateurs, with no clear editorial policy, authorship, or sourcing, that is clearly not independent of the IOC.

It is notable that we are now in meta-discussion territory without a single IRS SIGCOV source having been produced for any of these people. It's not even clear that any of those opposing this AFD has even tried looking for a source, since no-one claims to have done any searching as far as I can see. But I've commented here enough - probably too much - I'll leave it to others. FOARP (talk) 13:47, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think you might be loading the question or prompt a little bit too much, at least in my opinion and how I view things. It is probably best that we start separate sitewide discussions at least for Olympedia. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:26, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all to Afghanistan at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Football. Appropriate bundle as all are athletes of low notability primarily known for playing on the same team at a single event. All fail GNG due to a lack of SIGCOV. Frank Anchor 12:57, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Harry McNaughton

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Does not meet WP:GNG. Article already deleted by PROD in 2007 (subsequently recreated in 2012). C 679 09:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per total lack of WP:V. Svartner (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Liverpool F.C. players (1–24 appearances) as possible search term. GiantSnowman 17:56, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete – I wouldn't redirect as a Google search just leads you to the actor. A redirect is likely to just create confusion for those searching for the actor. Unless you think there is any chance of sources being found, let's just delete this one.
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I agree, I think a redirect would do more harm than good in this case. Svartner (talk) 08:11, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Voyageurs Cup (women)

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Clearly fails WP:GNG, i.e. has not "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". The main source of information for this topic is a fan blog (hosted by the University of Toronto CS department) which is the primary source and not establish notability. The lone secondary source (The Equalizer) does acknowledge the existence of a competition but the extent of the details is limited to this single sentence: "A brief attempt to create a women’s version ended after a couple season’s when the logistics of it became too difficult to manage." BLAIXX 02:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete/Redirect to Voyageurs Cup Not independently notable. If it gets brought back in the future with the growth of the women's game in Canada, then maybe it can be created, but for now as a trophy that was awarded for three years and lastly in 2006, the current section in the other article is sufficient. RedPatch (talk) 03:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unlike for the men, there's no evidence (not even on the blog) that a trophy was actually awarded. I'm not even sure if the teams were aware that they had "won" something. BLAIXX 03:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 17:55, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Barry (Northern Mariana Islands footballer)

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Player with 15 appearances for the Northern Mariana national team, but without any WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 11:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Although I have long felt as though there needs to be a new standard for international players from very small countries, until that happens, this player very clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 01:49, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samy Derras

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I originally put a prod on this article but sources have since been added. I'm taking it to AFD to both see if we can find more sources and to check the current ones added. RossEvans19 (talk) 00:59, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The prod was 1 appearance[18], no French Wikipedia article, fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:52, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- Can’t find anything about him on the web. Only 2 sources from over 10 years ago. Fcstmani (talk) 09:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:15, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Questions Does he have an Arabic name? Is his name written the same in French, Italian, and Slovak? Ike Lek (talk) 21:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JJ Gabriel

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Insufficiently notable youth team footballer. No first team appearances. Sources do not establish that he is notable on other grounds Pi (Talk to me!) 00:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:TOOSOON. RossEvans19 (talk) 02:01, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Subject fails to meet the WP:YOUNGATH criteria at the moment, as there isn't sustained coverage for the subject yet. Let'srun (talk) 01:07, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. OPHYRIUS ^⚔ 04:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:15, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Ihn

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. PROD was previously removed so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, non-notable football player. Surayeproject3 (talk) 12:46, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — The article lacks sufficient independent, reliable sourcing to establish notability; the current references are primarily primary or affiliated sources. --Killviconiborki (talk) 07:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tobias Wiesner

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Strangely deprodded; I forgot to add the rationale since I was on the phone. Anyway, he fails GNG and SPORTCRIT as a guy who barely got some minutes on the third tier, and played more on the fifth tier than the fourth. Geschichte (talk) 18:16, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 20:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No sources on the German Wikipedia, and has only 4 professional appearances. RossEvans19 (talk) 02:04, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Obscure footballer without evidence of notability. German Wikipedia tend to be unsourced dumps. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Momčilo Marković

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Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:38, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: "is recognized for his strict enforcement of the rules and fair play" sourced to WorldFootball - that's a ^{[failed verification]}. The creator claims "the page has multiple reliable independent sources". How in-depth are they? Geschichte (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Matin Ilhan

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I can't find any evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC in my searches. Straits Times and Asia One only mention him in passing. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:47, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggestion to put to draftspace instead of deletion? Thank you. EricChouu (talk) 08:55, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is Ilhan likely to be notable in the near future? We wouldn't generally send to draft unless future notability was likely. I also note that Nathan Mao was sent to draft and you moved it straight back to mainspace so I felt that you would likely do the same with Ilhan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 10:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The chance of draftification was blown by unilateral action. History also shows that many of these players in Portugal end up not playing more than a few minutes Geschichte (talk) 18:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KFF Kamza

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Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to support meeting WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Here are two notable sources: one of the largest sports newspapers in Albania, Panorama Sport, wrote an article about the club here; Club lineup, which includes its logo, found in the Albanian Football Federation website here.

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Redirect to Kategoria Superiore Femra as possible search term. Giant Snowman 13:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per GiantSnowman or delete - no in-depth coverage that I can find; the sources in the article and those offered by Kj1595 here are not SIGCOV so this subject does not satisfy GNG. I can't access the book source but even if it had a chapter on the club that would not be enough, multiple sources are needed. Meadowlark (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to FC Kamza men's club, as long as women's club by years maybe gets more attention and being noticed. Lanceloth345 (talk) 16:10, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as we have two different suggested redirect target articles.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:45, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adlane Messelem

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Declined PROD based on this source [19]. Too little to establishes WP:GNG for a staff personnel. Svartner (talk) 04:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, that article is certainly a start. One or two more like that and I think he'd have WP:SIGCOV. I'll take a bit of a look. Ike Lek (talk) 04:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- ok, so far I have found these [20][21][22][23][24][25] and I can't tell if this is the same person [26] While he seems to be a French Algerian, he likely has an Arabic name as he appears to be closely connected to the country and not just a French person born there. If anyone knows what it might be, I may be able to find more info on his earlier life. - Ike Lek (talk) 05:14, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Sources above look to be WP:NOTNEWS. If significant sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep? I'm surprised how much coverage there is of him coaching Sabah FC for only a couple months mostly because I'm not very familiar with Malaysian coverage, but it looks like it's enough for an article. I found a couple PressReader articles as well which are near impossible to correctly link. SportingFlyer T·C 19:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—I think I might be able to be convinced on this one (even though the article itself is terrible), but as it stands, there's nothing but speculation that he might come close to WP:GNG. Currently, though, he fails it. Anwegmann (talk) 01:53, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per sources in article (like the FourFourTwo source) and ones supplied by Ike Lek. Has experience managing a few pro teams and has sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:51, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: The last two sources from Singapore are about this person; I pulled up the Independent in my own search, then saw it was already sourced in the article. Some coverage about him being hired with little to no experience/lack of local knowledge. Oaktree b (talk) 13:59, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2027 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification (AFC)

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Unnecessary duplication of 2026 AFC Women's Asian Cup qualification and 2026 AFC Women's Asian Cup. Article titles of this format, i.e. World Cup qualification (confederation), are generally for stand-alone tournaments, such as those hosted by CONMEBOL, OFC, and UEFA this cycle. AFC has indicated they will hold a stand-alone tournament for the 2031 FIFA Women's World Cup. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related pages because they also unnecessarily duplicate the qualification and main tournament pages for their respective confederation tournaments:

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Delete - per nom, as duplication. Giant Snowman 18:21, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning redirect to 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification#AFC per WP:CHEAP and WP:ATD. Servite et contribuere (talk) 18:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why is this not listed in deletion sorting for Sports and Football? Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is showing complete process of Asian qualification to the 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup, Asian Cup and its qualification both are part of Asian World Cup qualification, so they should be present at same place. WikiEditPS (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiEditPS: The issue is that none of the nominated articles add anything that would not already be covered in the other articles. See WP:NOPAGE. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 17:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into one of the suggested articles. It took me a bit to wrap my head around this, but it clearly is the same thing as mentioned in the nom. Metallurgist (talk) 02:39, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pak Yong-ho

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Declined PROD by an IP user. No WP:SIGCOV found. Svartner (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:57, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - best name to search for is probably "朴永浩" since he played in Japan and there is another soccer player in Korea with the same name, so using his Korean name could be confusing, and translating his surname as Pak instead of Park in English is a little odd, but does seem to be how he is listed in English records. That being said, most mentions of him seem to be in articles about his son. – Ike Lek (talk) 23:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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1996–97 FA Women's Premier League Cup

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Contested redirect a couple of times without the addition of a single in-depth reliable source. And Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to support meeting WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please explain why this article should be deleted? This is one of many cup competition seasons recorded on here that have not had this action put towards them. Why is this particular article causing an issue? It is sourced with two reliable sources (The Football Association Website and a fan created site which has been used as a source for other articles of that era), which lists all the results and a detailed record of the final. This is consistent with all other seasons of the Premier League Cup which have not been flagged in this manner. This page was previously a redirect to the main Premier League Cup page, which was not a suitable arrangement as it did not contain the detail which has been expressed here. This is also part of the chain of articles that allows people to navigate through the history of the completion season by season, both through the links at the top of the article and at the bottom of the page.

This article cannot be deleted, as it is a key part of the history of the Premier League Cup Competition. If there is anything further that needs adding to it, or any amendments that need making to it, please let me know so these changes can be made. Thank You. Adam Salter (talk) 18:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The explanation is above. Zero in-depth sources from independent, reliable sources. Right now it has one source from a primary source (not independent), and one fan-based source (not reliable). Also, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, if there aren't currently enough sources currently attached to this, then I will find more to use as citations to back up the article.

Are you able to elaborate further what is classed as 'in depth' for a source, and how great a quantity of sources are needed to deem this article acceptable? Adam Salter (talk) 22:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, can you please elaborate on how the Full Time FA Source is not an Independent Source? What link or conflict have you established between it and Wikipedia? Thanks. Adam Salter (talk) 07:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to FA Women's National League Cup#List of seasons and finals as possible search term. Giant Snowman 10:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why is a redirect preferable over the actual article in this instance? Adam Salter (talk) 12:53, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because, as has already been explained above (and which you seem to acknowledge yesterday), there are not enough in-depth sources. See WP:SIGCOV. Redirection is an alternative to deletion, see WP:ATD. Giant Snowman 13:00, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have since added plenty of sources to the article though, including stats website, newspapers articles and matchday programmes. Is this not acceptable? Adam Salter (talk) 13:03, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Stats websites and match reports are not SIGCOV. Please actually bother to read the links I send you, I'm trying to help. Giant Snowman 15:19, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I really appreciate your help this, honestly. And I know you have to deal with a lot of these discussions and a lot of these similar arguments with other pages, so thank you. It's just a bit confusing for me, because I've read the SIGCOV, and to me it describes a source which is an all encompassing one for the article, rather than just a few side mentions the other sources may have had. I therefore thought the FA Full Time Site was exactly that, as it covers all the results of the competition for that season. It wasn't a match report written at the time, it's a page of information that does describe the Final, and then lists all of the results for the year at the bottom. I assumed this was a Verifiable Source, and the way I had interpreted it was that this would be my primary SIGCOV Source, and then everything else would be Secondary to supplement it. Apparently, the argument is that the FA Full Time Site is not independent from Wikipedia, which I cannot fathom. There is no conflict of interest here with the FA, they aren't going to financially benefit from this, are they? Why is the Full Time FA Site not a SIGCOV source? Adam Salter (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this competition was indeed covered in the media as evidenced by the sources currently in the article. The FA Site isn't SIGCOV because it's not independent of the competition, but competitions are a bit odd because one of the things which makes a competition notable is continued routine coverage, which is exactly what is in the article. Not all of the sources are good for notability including the matchday programmes, but there's more than enough here to keep. SportingFlyer T·C 08:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also note to the closer, when this was nominated there were only two sources, neither of which were good. SportingFlyer T·C 08:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Sufficient WP:SIGCOV for a competition edition article. Svartner (talk) 06:51, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Shahjahan (footballer)

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Only one professional appearance, fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Subject absolutely does meet WP:GNG with current sourcing. The amount of AfD nominations this editor has done for soccer players in a short period indicates that they are not doing WP:BEFORE. If they had, they would have also found (all in English):

This is in addition to the notable coverage already referenced in the article, as well as the likely additional coverage in the many local languages of places he has played.

Rapid-fire nominations for deletion only makes Wikipedia worse. – Ike Lek (talk) 00:55, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is about an Indian player who never even pursued a professional career and only has sources mentioning a call-up for an under-17 team. I reiterate, the subject clearly fails in WP:GNG, including when compared to better articles/with more sources about footballers who only played at youth level that were also deleted. Svartner (talk) 15:19, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. The Scroll source looks OK, but not enough on its own. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The sources from Khelnow and Scroll are enough to meet WP:BASIC, because those cover stories about the person himself. I feel the article should be expanded if this AfD ended up being kept. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:06, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Read Khelnow and Scroll carefully - one is just a rehash of the other. In other words, they count as 1 source. Geschichte (talk) 12:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not enough for a WP:YOUNGATH. The sources go on about U12, U14 etc which amount to nothing in the sports world. Geschichte (talk) 12:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Youth international prospect with fully pro appearances and sources. Definitely also has Indian language sources besides the English ones already here. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 03:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Almost all of the sources fail WP:YOUNGATH, and he only made one appearance. I almost put draftify before realising his appearance was some years ago. SportingFlyer T·C 19:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jun Kokubo

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Unsourced article by a player who only have spells at teams in J League 2 and below in the Japanese league system. Svartner (talk) 17:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. 108 games in the J2 League, that's a quite different calibre from the junk we have deleted the past year. A thorough WP:JAPANBEFORE (as coined by @Miminity) is needed. Geschichte (talk) 18:33, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability - but agree with Geschichte that there could/should be coverage out there. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:27, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you agree that there could/should be coverage that exists, shouldn't that justify keeping it under WP:NPOSSIBLE? Ike Lek (talk) 22:01, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Japanese is one of the hardest languages for me to search in, I found a couple passing mentions which seemed good but nothing clearly notable, but I'm not going to !vote delete because it should be clear my search isn't exhaustive. SportingFlyer T·C 19:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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