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Nick Agallar

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The subject doesn't seem to meet WP:NMMA, and was never ranked in the top 10 world rankings, highest ranked achieved was #16 according to Fight Matrix see: [1]. Lekkha Moun (talk) 17:10, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Some coverage here: apparently he won some sort of world title? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cool find. Never heard of Absolute Fighting Championship, I'm not convinced this is big enough to pass WP:NMMA. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ted Junker

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Article has been orphaned for more than a year; the main subject is of the memorial that never happened, not the person himself. Does not meet WP:BIO LR.127 (talk) 18:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eagles–Packers rivalry

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I have thought about this one for a while, and after that time, I do not see it meeting our notability guidelines. Consider:

The only standalone notable games between the two is 4th and 26 and 1960 NFL Championship Game.
They have only played each 48 times over 90 years and have never been in the same division.
They have only played each other in the playoffs four times, with one of those happening just a month ago.
A review of relevant sources does not show sustained use of the term "rivalry" to define the Packers and Eagles playing against each other (outside of local fluff pieces, like this), even though they have been doing so for 90 years. Even playing against each other in high profile, recent games (like in Brazil and this year's playoff game), there is not much, if any, discussion on this being a true rivalry, above the normal interactions that two teams have against each other in the NFL.

The Packers are an old franchise and have many rivalries, but all of their rivalries meet at least one of the four bullets above. For those reasons, I believe deletion is justified now. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:02, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I'm not an expert on NFL rivalries and have tons of respect for Gonzo's knowlege of Packers history. FWIW, a quick search did turn up "Historically, Green Bay has had edge", a full page review of the rivalry's history. See also here and here. Cbl62 (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Honestly, I struggle with both this one and the Packers/Rams (they have played each other 100 times!). My main challenge is at some point a line has to be drawn, or the Packers will have rivalry page with every NFC team (maybe they should, idk). The Bucs were in the Packers division for years, the Cowboys/49ers/Seahawks all have a lot of notable moments, especially in the playoffs. I think I remember watching Week 1 last year (the Brazil Packers/Eagles game) and one commentator noted for two teams who have existed for so long, its surprising they don't have a stronger history. Idk, either way I won't be beat up about the result. Just trying to find the line in the sand on where a "long-term match-up" transitions to a "full rivalry". « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:19, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. In the college context, it's similar to Notre Dame or Alabama where we have ten rivalry articles for each program, in part because of the long history and legendary status of the programs. Cbl62 (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

philadelphiaeagles.com is the website of the Philadelphia Eagles (one of the involved teams), so it's not an independent source for this topic, and thus does not count towards notability. Left guide (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it isn't a notability-establishing source in the Wikipedia sense of the word, but the fact that the Eagles have published a page discussing with some depth the history of their rivalry with the Packers is indicative of notability in a real-world sense. Cbl62 (talk) 00:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I've always found these rivalry articles to be on the fringe of notability (not to mention terribly formatted). There should really only be a handful of them for historic ones and ones that tend to get coverage specifically for the matchup, such as Commanders-Cowboys, Bears-Packers, and Ravens-Steelers. The Eagles-Packers matchup last year had more coverage due to its location (Brazil) than any rivalry between them. The less notable ones like this one tend to just include game history, which borders on being WP:NOTDATABASE. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Although Wikipedia does not have criteria for sports rivalries, every pair of teams has a rivalry to some extent, and there is nothing notable about this one. Ira Leviton (talk) 00:31, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I would rather keep this page because it is an NFC rivalry and it grew last season due to Brazil game and wildcard game, as well as the tush push move the Eagles used the Packers tried to propose to ban. 2601:40A:8400:1820:6C48:3E23:BF66:29C4 (talk) 01:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As an Eagles fan I can tell you we have had little to no hatred for Green Bay at all (aside from this recent tush push thing), so I don't see this as notable. I don't believe two teams having several "cool" moments while playing each other over history (1960 championship, 4th & 26, Brazil, etc.) necessarily constitutes a rivalry, because again, there is little to no animosity between the two. Red0ctober22 (talk) 01:47, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As a Packers fan, we are trying to ban the tush–push that was started by Philly, who started it back in like 2022. Proof: https://motorcyclesports.net/eagles-roast-packers-after-nfl-keeps-tush-push-legal-with-a-22-10-vote-reminiscent-of-playoff-defeat/ As a result, I would like to keep this page on Wikipedia.2601:247:C983:C0:D4BB:354A:E3FC:51BC (talk) 02:00, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for closing admin I have warned both IPs, AGF, regarding our policies on using multiple accounts. The editing style and interest in this AFD is hard to imagine being coincidental. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They don't look like the same person to me. One IP uses edit summaries while the other doesn't, and one IP's edits are all on mobile while the other's aren't. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:35, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are some other similarities, but that's why I warned with an AGF warning. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:51, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Noting also that there is another IP changing other editor's comments, which has been reverted. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It would be very helpful if participants can discuss available sourcing, and make an assessment as to whether they qualify this recurring event to meet WP:GNG and WP:NEVENT notability standards. So far, it seems that only Cbl62 and portions of Gonzo fan2007's and Dissident93's statements make any attempt to talk about sources. An uninvolved closer is unlikely to give much weight to most of the arguments on this page. Left guide (talk) 23:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to mention that 2601:247:C983:C0:D4BB:354A:E3FC:51BC has also provided a source. Left guide (talk) 23:57, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: You heard him, the source that was used by 2601:247:C983:C0:D4BB:354A:E3FC:51BC really helps this discussion to understand about this rivalry between the two mentioned teams. I have an alternative source for you guys here: https://section215.com/eagles-go-packers-throats-after-failed-rule-change-01jvsr7e87p2 « HarryPotter2011 (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
section215.com is powered by FanSided, which from my understanding, has been
deemed unreliable per community discussions. @HarryPotter2011:
Also, please fix your signature so its settings only apply to itself;
it's spreading weird font and formatting glitches to replies such as this
which is inappropriate. I have to manually add line breaks.
Left guide (talk) 01:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

tangential discussion about signatures and formatting Left guide (talk) 20:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How does my signature look inappropriate to you? It's not filled with rude words or stuff like that. HarryPotter2011 (talk) 01:19, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The content is fine, but it's causing formatting issues. Left guide (talk) 01:23, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does this look better? « HarryPotter2011 (talk) HarryPotter2011 (talk) 17:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It shows your username twice, and still spreads its font to this comment and the same formatting issues. If I continue to type, you can see that this comment goes off the side of the screen. Left guide (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend a default signature for now, and then testing how replies look in your sandbox for signatures you want to have. Left guide (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I do that? HarryPotter2011 (talk) 19:57, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Special:MyPage/sandbox is one way. Some further instructions are at WP:About the sandbox. Consider asking at WP:Teahouse if you have additional questions about signatures and sandboxes. Left guide (talk) 20:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Perhaps one possible ATD is to Merge content to List of NFL rivalries#Green Bay Packers vs. Philadelphia Eagles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Liz, that was added after the creation of this article. This discussion is determining whether a rivalry exists, so it wouldn't make sense to merge there if this topic isn't deemed notable. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:15, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dee Brestin

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Fails WP:BIO. Disputed draftification. WP:DRAFTOBJECT prohibits unilateral return top Draft. WP:ROTM author. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 15:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete None of the references meet WP:RS standards and at least half are just profiles on non-independent sites. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've found a couple independent sources covering Brestin's work, namely, a 2010 review of her book in the journal Death Studies; a 2019 Publishers Weekly book review; and a bit of analysis of her 2002 book by Kathaleen Amende in Desire and the Divine: Feminine Identity in White Southern Women's Writing (Louisiana State University Press). There's also an interview with Today's Christian Woman magazine she did alongside a co-author, though I'm not sure how much that factors into WP:NAUTHOR. These sources have been added to the article. Best, Bridget (talk) 15:21, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the sources provided above and below by Nnev66 for WP:NAUTHOR. Bridget (talk) 13:20, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found newspaper articles about the subject, two of which were about her book "The Friendships of Women" and I've added them to the article. With the sources Bridget found, meets WP:NAUTHOR #3 and possibly WP:GNG. Nnev66 (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the additional reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: I just want to say that this is incredibly poorly written. I fixed a few of the worst mistakes. It's almost impossible to get past the typos for me to judge the notability of the subject. Bearian (talk) 04:26, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peace Trail (Wisconsin)

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Not notable. Sources cited are the "rock trail coalition" (a local volunteer group) and a database listing. WP:BEFORE turns up a number of murders along the trail at various times, but nothing conferring notability. — Moriwen (talk) 19:32, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, this article was recently created and I'm intending to expand it (I've been busy with college-related stuff lately and haven't been on Wikipedia as much) Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 23:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Janesville,_Wisconsin#Parks_and_recreation. Not seeing this place as notable. The arresting location source seems out of place for articles about general locations. WP:COAT. Ramos1990 (talk) 01:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Redirect and draftify Article can be incubated in draft space as an ATD. मल्ल (talk) 13:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: On 12 May, CyberTheTiger was intending to expand this stub. Since then, CyberTheTiger's list of contributions show that they've found the time to make other contributions to Wikipedia; perhaps they could hurry to improve Peace Trail (Wisconsin) (if it is indeed improvable). -- Hoary (talk) 00:40, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Hiestand (actor)

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Prolific actor, but no major roles as far as I can see, so he fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. He was in some major films, such as The Pride of the Yankees and The Day the Earth Stood Still, but uncredited, as he was in most of his filmography. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:38, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment He is mentioned in a lot of Wikipedia articles]. Maybe there are some refs there that mention him? He seems to have been the announcer for a lot of radio shows in addition to his film/TV roles. I think he needs more investigation before deleting. See this, this, and this. Perhaps someone can search Newspapers.com? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep - I just inserted the link to the : "AFI|Catalog". catalog.afi.com. Retrieved 16 May 2025. in the film section. This verifies 50 titles in Filmography that he actually made. That was easy to find, and John Hiestand appears to have been a prolific actor. Perhaps what throws people off is that in these older films, for all the actors, and are easy to overlook. In the case of Hiestand, his roles seemed to be as a radio announcer or commentator. Announcers/commentators were propelling the story lines, so they are vital in those old films. Someone else needs to find television or radio sourcing. Also, please click on Find Sources links at the bottom of the above deletion notice. Those will take you to more sourcing. There is no reason to delete this article. It just needs someone to search a little and add the sourcing. — Maile (talk) 04:42, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Rebuttal. Find sources shows he got passing mentions only, almost always for being a cast member; the most significant snippet seems to be in the book Animated Personalities, which says he pretended to be Walt Disney when Disney couldn't be there. "credits did not necessarily appear on screen" = uncredited, which means an actor didn't have a significant role. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:14, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have spent the better part of the day researching on this individual. He is notable and his career spanned decades through screen, television and radio. And, yes, he did perform with the Kay Kyser band. I have done some of the sourcing, but it's now up to others. Anyone who wants to know more, is welcome to pick up the research and post it here. — Maile (talk) 19:40, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am currently looking for sources. I have added one profile from the Los Angeles Daily News, and a quote from the Los Angeles Times. The latter is from the section where readers' queries about film, TV and radio personalities are answered - it's short, but does indicate a level of notability at the time. I also note that some newspaper reviews of films that are listed in this article, in which he is said to be uncredited, list him among the cast. The website oldtimeradiodownloads (apparently blacklisted) has an image of a printed profile titled 'Say Hello To ...' - unfortunately, it doesn't seem to give details about the publication it appeared in. I'll come back to !vote, but it does look like he was well known as a narrator and in the role of radio announcer (on actual radio, and in films), and is probably notable. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:14, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. I don't see grounds for this to be a Speedy Keep. He certainly has a great many credits but that doesn't automatically translate to notable. Can we get a source review here?
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