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Vincent Confait

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Declined prod. There are 3 non-database/results sources. This one isn't SIGCOV as it's 2 small 1 line mentions. This and this are about his son dying and not SIGCOV about Vincent. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Medalling in Indian Ocean Island Games is not considered a top tier competition for WP:NATH. LibStar (talk) 00:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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What's the point of mass AFDing substantially improved articles mere minutes after they're improved? Can't you just focus on worse quality articles instead of obsessing over getting everything improved by a particular user deleted? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This was not substantially improved as it is lacking in third party indepth sources. My nomination stands and you won't deter me. LibStar (talk) 00:37, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is absolutely a substantial improvement. In what way would deleting this improve the encyclopedia? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It still is lacking in indepth third party coverage. I've already commented how the added third party sources are not SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 00:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In what way would deleting this improve the encyclopedia? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:41, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I think it's a weak case but the Nation coverage gets close to WP:SIGCOV and I think the ongoing coverage of his career (plus his medals at the Indian Ocean Island Games and appearances at two Olympic games make it very likely that contemporary WP:SIGCOV of his career exists. The fact that he competed in two Olympiads makes it harder to select a redirect as an AtD, and while it is not immediately apparent that he passes WP:NTRACK he appears to have been a dominant athlete in Seychelles during his career. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Constantino Kapambwe

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Declined prod. 2 third party sources added, the rest are databases/results listings. This is a small 1 line mention and not SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think that there are two issues here: a behavioral one as outlined in comment; and a content-based issue. I will try to keep my comments here only about the content but it's difficult because I think both are relevant.

Kapambwe was the top Olympian from his country and was noticed by The Baltimore Sun for running the entire Olympic marathon barefoot. It's all but certain there is more coverage than what I found; looking at Zambian newspapers would be a start, which is important to note because none of their 1960s archives have been checked yet. Yes, there's a systemic bias against African countries that affects the coverage available to us, but that's not the same thing as saying that no coverage exists, or even worse that we shouldn't look at all. --Habst (talk) 01:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Zambia at the 1964 Summer Olympics: No evidence of passing WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. The Baltimore Sun "notice" flagged by the "keep" !voter above is a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION: However, three of the contestants started out barefoot. Harbanslal Harbanslal of India, Constantino Kapambwe of Northern Rhodesia and Mathias Kanda of Rhodesia. However, redirecting as an AtD will preserve the page history should future sourcing the qualifies this subject for mainspace be found. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Nobody is saying that "we shouldn't look", we should, in theory, but more importantly, we "must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". According to developments in policy, this must be in place before the article is created, not an infinite number of years after it's created – especially when there is no clear indication of notability such as here. I agree that there are issues regarding behaviour, as well as the D-word, disruptive editing, and I'd like to propose that these athlete prods/afds are placed on hold for a while, as they and the oftentimes nonsensical arguments therein are getting very tiresome. Geschichte (talk) 06:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zambia at the 1964 Summer Olympics as an alternative to deletion – WP:SPORTCRIT states that All sports biographies [...] must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. [...] The sources provided in the article do not help establish notability since they're neither a non-database source or don't provide significant coverage of the subject at hand. Searches performed on Google or Newspapers.com didn't turn up any sources that would help establish notability. Looking at what we currently have, there doesn't seem to be enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:58, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Enoch Muemba

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Declined prod. There are 2 non database sources added this is a small 1 line mention and not SIGCOV. The other third party source is a book, but I am unable to verify it's SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I am trying my best to keep my arguments confined to this one AfD, but I think there is a behavioral issue here as well; see comment which applies equally to this AfD and most of the 100+ others improved by me recently by adding sources.

On the merits, I think there's a strong WP:NEXIST case to be made here because Muemba was one of the first ever runners to represent Zambia internationally, and zero Zambian newspapers have been found because their 1960s archives have not been checked yet. --Habst (talk) 01:01, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamed Sy Savané

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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, I just expanded the article with new sourcing. Subject was a multiple-time national record-setter covered in Seychellois media, and now also by American media by virtue of his brother. Subject actually passes NSPORT by virtue of his national championships and Francophone Games finish. --Habst (talk) 00:47, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question: does the Francophone Games finish qualify for WP:NATH? LibStar (talk) 01:25, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep: His top-8 finish at the 1994 Francophone Games would appear to be a pass on WP:NTRACK#1. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)~~ [reply]
Comment. No, the Francophone Games are not a pass, he did not finish in the top 8. I don't know why you would say that, Dclemens1971. Geschichte (talk) 04:41, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Geschichte, I was actually going to ask you if the Francophones are a top tier athletics meet. LibStar (talk) 04:48, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Crud, I misread the article. (He finished fourth in semifinals.) Striking. Dclemens1971 (talk) 10:54, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment sources 7-13 appear to be about his nephew and not the article subject, thus failing SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 05:00, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Aziz Abdul Kareem

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Declined prod with no attempt to add additional sources. Lacking third party in-depth coverage to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 04:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, I expanded the article with new sources including Al Rai describing him as "the grandfather of training". Subject did much more than just competing at a single Olympics, he had a twelve-year career spanning multiple international championships for Kuwait. A Wikipedian who knows Arabic should take a look at these search results for further coverage. --Habst (talk) 14:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Habst's expansion, WP:NBASIC and common sense. Any understanding of the sport and country would indicate that a twelve-year international career with multiple Olympic appearances, and becoming known as the "grandfather of training" for his coaching after his playing career is, I guarantee, something that would be further covered significantly. The issue is that our access to sources from the time are ridiculously poor and this guy has like a dozen names he could have been covered under, and none of us speak Arabic, which makes this extremely hard to search for. Nonetheless a decent article has been developed with his significant accomplishments and coverage has been found showing he was known as a very accomplished figure in Kuwaiti athletics. He's notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chow Park Wing

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG, with only database sources in the article. All I could find about this Olympian through multiple searches was a article from historian Paul Tchir, noting that while Wing participated in the Olympics nothing else is currently known about him, with not even a date of birth available. Let'srun (talk) 04:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Aw Chu Kee

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG, with only database sources in the article. All I could find about this Olympian through multiple searches was a article from historian Paul Tchir, noting that the fact that Kee participated in the Olympics but very little is known about any other aspect of his life. A redirect to Burma at the 1956 Summer Olympics may be a suitable WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 03:45, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Burma at the 1956 Summer Olympics#Weightlifting – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 05:03, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Burma at the 1956 Summer Olympics#Weightlifting per Svartner as an acceptable ATD for this non notable sports person. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: as suggested above. I've tried a newspaper search, some hits on various parts of the name but nothing in particular about this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 14:45, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buumba Halwand

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Declined prod. Sources 2-6 are all databases or results listing. The first book source is actually a small 1 line mention. No SIGCOV exists to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 04:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Zambia at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV. Willing to reconsider my !vote if sources come up, so please ping me. Frank Anchor 14:45, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on WP:NEXIST. I expanded the article with a few new WP:RS sources I found the day before it was nominated. Zambia is a notoriously difficult country to research, and there is broadly speaking a systemic bias against African countries and people that affects the level of coverage available to us. Subject was the top marathon runner from his country so coverage should exist in Zambian newspaper sources from the era as soon as they are available to us. --Habst (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:BASIC. The article is already a stub anyway, and the subject performed at an international level (and top of his country) and covered in reliable sources. Although the coverage is not significant, pulled together, they demonstrate notability, and at the very least, passed our BASIC test. I do agree with Habst about getting sources for some African countries especially for the older generation whose achievements would have been covered in their local press but have not been digitized yet for the internet age, and only available in their local archives. I experienced a similar problem many years ago when researching a particular individual and had to make a personal visit to the local archive and the media house's archive. This is why I'm always more lenient when it concerns much older African figures because most of the local African coverage at the time have not been digitised yet. Some of these African media houses (especially older ones) are aware of this and are working to digitize them with the limited resources they have, but just not fast enough. I'm therefore more sympathetic to the older generation who contributed a lot but have not been recognised due to these technical issues. However, for younger African generation, I'm less lenient because they are part of the internet age and getting coverage shouldn't be difficult. Tamsier (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zambia at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics. It seems we are all agreed that there is insufficient sourcing to meet GNG/BASIC. Tamsier cites BASIC, but by saying the coverage is "not significant", it is evident that we do not, in fact, reach BASIC, which states it is met where the subject received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. What we have clearly falls short for several reasons. An IAR case is being made that sources may exist in undigitised newspaper archives. Setting aside that any such coverage may well be primary, and thus excluded from notability considerations, there is a question as to whether any credence be given to the possibility of such sourcing in establishing notability for article retention. I agree that non English sources, and African sources can be troublesome to locate, but the flaw in the IAR argument is this: if the sources are simply unavailable to any editor, then no editor can write this page. They cannot write it unless and until sources become available, and so we are in the same position as someone we think should be covered, but about whom no sources have yet been published. It does not improve the encyclopaedia to retain an unwritable sub-stub about someone who may or may not meet notability requirements. The Redirect ATD retains the page history, for whatever it's worth. Notability is not met, the artcle can't be written. Deletion is appropriate but a redirect ATD is a suitable alternative. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what I wrote never mind meant. Individual sources on their own may not be significant for notability, but combined together passes BASIC. In fact, that's what BASIC is mostly about. I didn't realise I have to explain that. However, if my initial statement was not clear enough, my apologies. I hope it's clearer now. Tamsier (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability - from WP:BASIC. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:21, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't an IAR case at all. Wikipedia P&G has always permitted articles to be kept so long as reliable sources indicate coverage existing. For example, it would always be permissible to keep if we had a source saying "He was covered in the 1 January 1900 New York Times front page" even if we don't have access to that article. In this case, instead of our RS saying that explicitly, they say it implicitly, by virtue of communicating his achievements at the Olympics. It's up to us to decide whether or not that indication is sufficient – and by virtue of looking at the European athletes finishing around him like Pat Hooper and Cor Vriend, which both have lots of available coverage, we can determine that a similar amount exists for Halwand but the only difference is the availability.

One other note is that speaking of improving the encyclopedia, Wikipedians in Zambia would be the most likely ones to have access to be able to do that – and considering new Wikipedians in general are less likely to have accounts, it would be much easier for them to improve an existing article than to convert a redirect back to the article (interfaces like the app and mobile editor don't even allow you to do that). --Habst (talk) 22:40, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have been through this elsewhere. NEXIST does not give a pass to anyone just because there exists some unevidenced hypothetical that sources could exist. Notability requires only that suitable independent, reliable sources exist in the real world. But they must exist or the subject is not notable. Every Wikipedia page requires secondary sourcing for notability precisely because it is those sources that allow the page to be written. Because of NEXIST, we have some additional subject specific guidelines that allow us to assess whether sources are likely to exist. In this case the SNG is WP:NATH. If a subject meets an SNG, it is usually kept, even if we don't have all the necessary sources, based on the likelihood that sources exist. But here, the subject does not meet NATH. So we don't have the sources, and we don't have the presumption that sources are likely to exist that comes from the SNG. Making a case to keep this anyway says we should ignore GNG/BASIC and we should ignore the consensus of NATH. That is a WP:IAR case. And it is one I reject, because I don't see how maintaining unwritable machine generated and semi-plagiaristic stubs is good for the encyclopaedia. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:16, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NEXIST does not give a pass to anyone just because there exists some unevidenced hypothetical that sources could exist. Absolutely agree. NEXIST has not been persuasive in these athlete AfDs. LibStar (talk) 10:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree with that 100%. I think there is some miscommunication here, because the key part is that this AfD is not unevidenced, the evidence of achievements already exists and is verifiable in reliable sources cited in the article. This principle applies to all types of articles regardless of whether or not an SNG also exists. (Also, the overarching trend over the last few years on Wikipedia is against all subject-specific notability guidelines like NATH and WP:NSPORT in general and towards the general guidelines.) The argument is one founded in WP:N, I think that "ignoring a rule" would apply more accurately to the approach of ignoring WP:NEXIST. --Habst (talk) 12:35, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Zero sources containing more than a trivial mention have been identified, and anyway global consensus is that athlete articles are required to cite sources of IRS SIGCOV to remain standalone. The subject's "evidence of achievements" was also explicitly deprecated as a notability rationale by global consensus, so there is no basis for presuming SIGCOV exists beyond ILIKEIT IAR. NEXIST does not operate as a notability criterion, it clearly does not override the requirement repeated numerous times even within the same section that existence of SIGCOV sourcing must be evidenced, and it even states its worthlessness once notability has been challenged. JoelleJay (talk) 20:03, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay Can you please link the consensus for this? As discussed in Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 March 16#Emil Kalous, WP:NSPORTS2022 shifts the burden of proof away from subject-specific notability guidelines like NSPORT and towards more subject-neutral guidelines like WP:N. I'm open to hearing other perspectives, but I don't see how NEXIST is affected by that at all. --Habst (talk) 00:39, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NSPORTS2022 does no such thing and it is absurd that you keep spouting that misinformed nonsense. I can't comprehend how you even get that reading given that most of the AfDs you personally have been involved in result in deletion specifically based on failing the NSPORT amendments introduced by that RfC. The policy proposals that achieved global consensus required all athlete bios to cite a SIGCOV IRS source; removed simple participation-based criteria from the sport-specific subguidelines, including merely competing at the Olympics; and downgraded meeting said subguidelines from a theoretically-rebuttable presumption of GNG to a rebuttable presumption that further SIGCOV exists if the initial SIGCOV citation condition is met. NSPORT has always required its subjects to meet GNG, and required this to be demonstrated via citations "eventually". For around half of all SNGs, notability ultimately is established through some approximation of GNG, not by meeting a non-coverage-based criterion; this doesn't mean we are "moving away from" SNGs.
Notability guidelines are not only invoked in the context of AfD, they are also supposed to guide editors on which un-linked topics are likely to be worth spending time trying to create articles on, and they help NPP in quickly determining whether a valid claim to eligibility might exist that would help a new article avoid a CSD tag. JoelleJay (talk) 01:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zambia at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics: The WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSBASIC are not met here due to zero WP:SIGCOV being present in the article for this WP:BLP. As it stands, the only sources are databases. Redirect as a WP:ATD with no prejudice against recreation should sourcing emerge in the future Let'srun (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Víctor Serrano

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Declined prod with no attempt to add additional sources. Lacking third party in-depth coverage to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 17:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Puerto Rico at the 1976 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV. Willing to reconsider my !vote if sources come up, so please ping me. Frank Anchor 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per Frank Anchor. Svartner (talk) 12:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I expanded the article with several new sources that clear the bar for WP:SIGCOV, especially when taken together with WP:BASIC "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". With the new details I've found, I'm hoping more sources can be found as well as there are many different Víctor Serranos but you can narrow the search by specifying one of the details alongside the name. Pinging User:Frank Anchor and User:Svartner to take a look at the new sources. Subject was a Puerto Rican record-holder and Olympian with a long career throughout the 1970s and 1980s. --Habst (talk) 15:35, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fine for me, keep per WP:HEY. Svartner (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the excellent work done by Habst to demonstrate notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agripa Mwausegha

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Declined prod with no attempt to add additional sources. Lacking third party in-depth coverage to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Malawi at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV. Willing to reconsider my !vote if sources come up, so please ping me. Frank Anchor 17:43, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I just improved the article with some new third-party WP:RS. I'll add that there is usually no obligation for a person contesting a PROD to do anything in particular; for the most part, PRODs can be challenged for any reason or no reason at all.

I think the WP:NEXIST case is strong for this subject, with achievements going far beyond just "participation" but qualifying in four events across three different major international competitions. Malawi is a notoriously difficult country to research, and every single one of the newspapers in Malawi are all either not accessible at all, or do not have online archives going back to the 1980s when Mwausegha was most prominent. Should someone search even one of these daily papers in the 1980s and find nothing on Mwausegha, I would happily retract my !vote. But evidence from similar AfDs shows that Olympians of Mwausegha's caliber tend to have coverage available when we can actually access the relevant archives. --Habst (talk) 00:32, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Malawi at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics: WP:SPORTSBASIC requires at least one piece of WP:SIGCOV to be included, and currently there is nothing of the sort here, as the only sources are race results which don't provide the in-depth, secondary coverage we need. Redirect as a WP:ATD with no prejudice against recreation if actual significant coverage can be found. Let'srun (talk) 17:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Malawi at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics as an acceptable ATD for this subject that does not meet WP:NATH nor WP:BASIC. As it does not meet the subject notability guideline for presumption of notability, the NEXIST argument is spurious. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, no number of additional database mentions will make this subject eligible for a standalone in the absence of IRS SIGCOV. NEXIST does not apply. JoelleJay (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Crispin Quispe

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Declined prod with the rather weak reason "appears to be a famous person in his country." We need significant third party coverage to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT which is lacking here. LibStar (talk) 15:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, expanded the article with lots of coverage existing in Opinion, Radio Patria Nueva, Channel 13 News, and Sistema Nacional de Radios de los Pueblos Originarios. My wording isn't great but I might come back to it later. One of these sources was already linked in the article when it was nominated, I think that part of WP:BEFORE should be to assess the sources already linked in the article at least. --Habst (talk) 23:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: While two of the added sources are interviews which don't contribute to notability, [[1]] appears to be WP:SIGCOV as there are multiple paragraphs of coverage dedicated to the subject. Good job Habst on expanding this article. Let'srun (talk) 02:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At least for the Radio Patria Nueva / Sistema Nacional de Radios de los Pueblos Originarios source, much of the coverage is the broadcaster or reporter speaking about Quispe and not Quispe himself speaking. --Habst (talk) 12:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per new sources added by Habst. Svartner (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the excellent work done by Habst to demonstrate notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brigitte Nganaye

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Declined prod. All the sources provided are databases or results listings and not SIGCOV for meeting WP:SPORTSBASIC. Keep voters should provide actual in-depth sources and not simply invoke NEXIST. LibStar (talk) 14:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep via WP:NEXIST. I understand the nominating statement, but per comment, "It goes against our ethics on ADL for a nominator to dictate to the community which guidlines they should not invoke in their rationale/votes".

There's a few details on this AfD that make this subject a better NEXIST candidate than most other athlete biographies. Subject qualified for the Olympics in two different events, and set three national records that still stand throughout her career. We have data from three different independently-compiled WP:RS describing a career over nine years, far longer than most other Olympians. And most importantly, the Central African Republic newspapers which would have covered the subject have not been checked because their archives are not available online:

Be Afrika: No online archive
Centrafrique Presse: Earliest online archive is from February 2008
Le Citoyen: Archive here only covers some months from 1999 and 2000, it's worth a look but is only available to CRL member institutions
Le Confident: No online archive
Le Democrate: No online archive found
E Le Songo: No online archive found
Echo de Centrafrique: No online archive found

Because the most likely avenues for coverage have not not been checked, there is a systemic bias against African countries, and the RS and WP:V info we do have is indicative of notability, a keep decision would be justified. --Habst (talk) 16:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Well, there is some confirmation that the person exists in the BNF Gallica resource [2], the "athlétisme" magazine has this person listed. I don't find anything else about them. I understand bias, but we have no sources. There might not be coverage in the CAF newspaper archives; I don't want to see a bunch of stub articles left around because we're unable to verify the sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 18:44, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no sources FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:24, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Central African Republic at the 1992 Summer Olympics: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. As it stands all of the sources present in the article are databases or are otherwise primary. Participation based criteria for the Olympics has been depreciated so WP:NEXIST does not apply here. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 22:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun, taking into account three national records set would be achievement-based criteria, not participation-based. --Habst (talk) 01:21, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Al-Rabeeah

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Declined prod. All sources are still just databases and insufficient for meeting WP:SPORTBASIC. LibStar (talk) 02:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, coverage found in Al Qabas, 6 August 1978 page 16: [3]. There is also coverage in Al Qabas 19 January 1985 edition page 10 though I am not sure if that one is a namesake. Subject was a 1976 Olympian from Kuwait where sourcing access is sparse, but I think that there's enough indication here to know that further coverage exists. --Habst (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Page 16 appears to be just adverts. Do you mean page 17? What have you found? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He's listed on page 16 (Arabic is read right to left), page 17 is the one with the adverts, next to pictures of athletics. I don't know enough Arabic to translate but I think surely due to the OCR issues we've discussed even one relevant match in the woefully incomplete archive.org collection is a very telling sign that there's good coverage out there. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Arabic is read right to left, but in that case it is page 2. The Internet Archive numbers left to right and seems to reorder the pages thus, so the page is 17. No matter. I have also noticed a discrepancy in the Internet Archive numbering if you search for a word on a page. It seems to be off by one, so I expect that is where the confusion came in. I'll take a closer look at page 2/17 or whatever it is. :) Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So the article in question is titled "The national athletics team begins its camp today" and tells us "The national athletics team begins its training camp and leaves the country today for Al-Asab." The page subject is one of 22 names listed. This is a passing mention and not SIGCOV. We would expect he would show up in a few such listings but that does not speak to encyclopaedic notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still disagree about the paging, archive.org says "p16" when you search for the name. Before I found this match I wouldn't expect that Al-Rabeeah would show up in any such listings at all, given that I've searched for dozens of Middle Eastern historical athletes at AfD recently and most have little to no online presence. Given the OCR issues discussed in archive.org texts, I think that this one match is indicative of further coverage that we simply aren't equipped to find yet as non-Arabic speakers. --Habst (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that archive.org tells you it is 16 when you search text on the page. That is what I said about being off by one, and I really don't think it matters. We found the mention. But you see that ١٧ in the top left of the page? That is the number 17. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kuwait at the 1976 Summer Olympics - Another non notable mass produced stub created with no evidence of notability, and I cannot find any elsewhere. Does not meet WP:NATH. We don't need these stubs of every competitor, and no reason to believe that any in depth secondary coverage exists. Should be deleted, but redirecting is a suitable and cheap WP:ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Athlete bios are required to cite SIGCOV sources, but only trivial coverage has been identified. We automatically dismiss names in rosters for every Latin-script athlete, the idea that such a mention is "indicative" of further coverage is laughable. JoelleJay (talk) 23:23, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reginaldo Ndong

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Declined prod. Whilst it looks like a lot of sources, 8 of the 9 are databases or results listing and not enough to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. The only third party source is this one and is a small mention and not SIGCOV, the source is about the more famous Mark Lewis-Francis. LibStar (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. We have so much WP:V info about this subject from WP:RS documenting a career spanning more than six years, which is why I expanded the article to include some of that info I found. There is without a doubt more coverage in Equatoguinean sources, but the sad reality is the vast majority of those sources are only available in physical media for the time being. To prove this, I went through all the publications at List of newspapers in Equatorial Guinea and checked (keeping in mind the subject's career peaked around 2003 to 2008):

El Ebano: Archives only go back to August 2020
Ahora EG: Archives only go to March 2019 (click the "next" button until the end)
La Gaceta: Archives only go to February 2023
La Nacion: Could not find an online archive
La Opinion: Archives only go to September 2016
El Tiempo: Could not find an online archive
La Verdad: Archives only go to July 2014
La voz del pueblo: Could not find an online archive
Diario Rombe: Established in 2012

So, we don't have access to a single Equatoguinean newspaper from the subject's time period, when we know he was regarded as "the nation's best" according to American media. I am also convinced by User:Tamsier's argument in Special:Diff/1284809145 that there is a systemic bias against African countries broadly, and we should take that into account when evaluating the accessibility of sources. --Habst (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: meets WP:NTRACK as the top Equatoguinean sprinter in the mid-2000s per this FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Proquest search only turns up the Sunday Telegraph source, on the page and also mentioned by FyzzyMagma. That one is interesting, even though it does not count towards notability. It is primary for the race and little - if anything - to write an article from. There are 43 words about the page subject. It is not SIGCOV, but it says, in full, it would have taken a career- best from Equitorial Guinea's Reginaldo Micha Ndong. "Reggie" clocked 11.47sec at the last World Championships when only 16. He is his country's finest but yesterday's 11.27sec was yards short of putting our Mark out of the afternoon. We need someone to be writing about the subject, not just mentioning that he ran in a race. Leaning delete here, but let's see if anything else can come to light. Also, is there a suitable redirect target? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Without comment on the rest, order of suitable redirect targets for Olympians should always be:

1. <country> at the <year> Summer Olympics for one-time Olympians

2. If not mentioned or country page does not exist, link to only Olympic event results article

3. If multiple events / Olympics, pick the event results article the subject finished best at

4. If finish is the same, pick the latest event

So for this case it would be Equatorial Guinea at the 2008 Summer Olympics. --Habst (talk) 20:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. I'll keep looking a bit longer for sources before entering a !vote. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. From my experience in writing an article on a recent Equatoguinean Olympian, it appears that the country gives a good deal of coverage to their prominent athletes. In this case, he was known as "the best" in Equatorial Guinea per ~~American~~ British media. That the ~~American~~ British media somehow knows he was regarded as Number 1 in Equatorial Guinea indicates that there would be coverage in Equatorial Guinea of him. Remember that not one Equatoguinean newspaper has been searched, since no archives are accessible to us. Yet we still know that he was very accomplished in his country and regarded as the best. Further, the pretty decent expansion of the article arguably satisfies WP:NBASIC, which notes that If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. However, I think this should also be an instance where WP:COMMONSENSE should be used and we should admit that the odds the number one athlete in a nation would not have coverage -- when we know they give decent coverage to their top athletes and nothing has been searched -- is so very slim that a strict application of the rules would not be helpful to the encyclopedia. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Sunday Telegraph is British, not American. "He is his country's finest" implies that he was the runner with the fastest current times for his country at that point. It was speaking in the context of a single race and not necessarily as an all time great. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How can someone be the "his country's finest" in only a single race? You can be a nation's "best performer", maybe, but I don't think that wording fits and I don't think that interpretation of the text is accurate. Considering the newspaper went into his race results from a year past, I think there is some more general proclamation being made here. --Habst (talk) 15:45, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I said fastest current times (plural), leading to his selection to compete in that race. He is the country's finest because he is there. Nothing in that article, occasioned by a report of the British interest in it, can be used to infer that he was the finest ever for his country. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per FuzzyMagma. Tamsier (talk) 17:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Naji Mubarak

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Declined prod. The article is only based on databases and requires indepth third party sources to meet WP:SPORTBASIC. LibStar (talk) 23:35, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, I found a source I think is SIGCOV on the subject in Al Qabas, page 23 here: [4] Unfortunately the OCR is horrendous, but this is the translation of the first part of the article with DeepL proving it provides coverage on the subject: "2 Alah Shah 5 the athletics machine in the tournament and came asp the stakes which was established in 1913 160 Q 166 and also beat the Mexican injury winning mare Razza Aa Aa Dai Ci and is located at the center of the center of the r Aa Aa Aa 16-7 and Ali Al Anzushefi Akim defeat and against 7 wins in the race Der Baksar Baksar III in Azmi, Turkey for the third Madjaba Madad III. To diagnose and evaluate cases: Players to Topas 161-149. Two draws ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ games while China's Sa'abiya came second in the 11m hurdles (the height of the side of the physical therapy devices to advance), and Digiz had only a NEE Epsom ۔ ے Amir ے Ami ۔ ۔ ۔ ̓ ̓ in the 91cm hurdle). 0 team mare Heliette Nah in the gold medal race and Sasdol Naji Abdullah Mubarak in the bronze medal race. He had difficulty exchanging punches in the Yarmouk heptathlon here on Wednesday...." Given that it's an exact name match and talking about hurdles, it's definitely about the subject.

This paper is from 1980, which would mean the subject was only 16-17 when being written about by a major national paper here. We know from WP:RS that he continued to improve for at least four years following that (likely more considering we don't have good Arab Championships coverage) including a PB in 1983, which is far more than we know about most other Kuwaiti Olympians from the era. Due to the source and WP:NEXIST, I think a keep decision would be justified. --Habst (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One other thing I'd bring up is, considering the poor OCR quality, how many hits in Al Qabas or other newspapers about the subject are we missing just because his name was transcribed by a computer incorrectly? Having an Arabic speaker to help search for variations or common scannos of the name would help a lot. --Habst (talk) 00:42, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where are you getting that translation from? and based on what? Page 23 of that issue is not about athletics at all, although four youth athletes are mentioned on page 24, so I thought this might be the article you are looking at, but I cannot see anything there that would match the above translation. I downloaded the full OCR text for the issue here [5] but there is no mention of the page subject. No Mubarek. No Yarmouk. No Epsom or any of the other likely words there. The strangeness of the OCR would likely be caused by the lines of an adjacent article becoming mixed with the lines of this article, so it would be easy enough (or at least possible) to find and read the article correctly if we knew where it was, but it doesn't seem to be where you say. What I can say is that the youth report on page 24 falls in the realm of WP:YOUNGATH. It is also a news report of results, and so a primary source, and it is not SIGCOV. We need much better than this, and this is not really evidence of any significant coverage. To be clear, I can find coverage of this nature in old newspapers about me - and I am sure as heck not notable for my sporting prowess. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I found it. Naji Abdullah Mubarak gets 27 words in the second column of the report I was looking in (remember to read from the right), second bullet from the bottom. He was competing in heptathlon, his jump reached 91cm but then he ran into difficulties. As I thought, the above OCR mess is caused by running across the columns of the report, so it is mixing various reports together there. "Sasdol", for instance, is from the next column, so shouldn't be there. In any case, not SIGCOV, and a primary source regarding a youth event. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:45, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

27 words, assuming your read of the Al Qabas paper is correct which we can't really verify as neither of us are Arabic speakers, is still pretty substantial in the context of the extremely sparse coverage of the Arab world that archive.org provides. --Habst (talk) 15:47, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep: based on the explanation of the newspaper source above. I don't find anything else, but that one helps. Oaktree b (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the coverage found and points made by Habst. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kuwait at the 1984 Summer Olympics - I have spent a lot of time searching on this one, but I have not found anything suitable for this to pass GNG. We need multiple independent reliable secondary sources. The youth event report in a primary source news report is not SIGCOV, and that's all we have beside the listings that were used to auto generate this stub. Arguments about possible Arabic sources can also be set aside: I checked Arabic Wikipedia and they have no coverage on this competitor. It should be deleted, but a cheap redirect to the Olympic Games he competed in is a suitable ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:47, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- FWIW, Arabic Wikipedia is a mess and very poor quality; them not having sources hardly indicates that they don't exist. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:57, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kuwait at the 1984 Summer Olympics. The newspaper clipping above is not WP:SIGCOV, it's WP:ROUTINE coverage of a competition. Subjects does not meet WP:NATH, so it follows that editors have been unable to readily find WP:SIGCOV to satisfy WP:GNG. We also can't blame the dearth of coverage on OCR. Longhornsg (talk) 20:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, per Sirfurboy's analysis. Routine event results are not SIGCOV, and the above is nowhere near enough for SPORTSCRIT #5. JoelleJay (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Laura Oprea

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Does not have enough coverage to meet WP:NSPORT requirements. All the articles I found on her where just a mention of her name. Darkm777 (talk) 01:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Please stop wasting our time with these Olympic medalist deletion discussions. Coverage exists; see the extensive Romanian article, and Oprea is extremely accomplished, having numerous world championship medals, being a world champion and Olympic medalist, which satisfies WP:NOLY. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Looking at the corresponding Romanian article, [[6]] appears to be WP:SIGCOV, and while [[7]] and [[8]] are less impressive I think there is enough here for a WP:SPORTSBASIC pass. Let'srun (talk) 02:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Let'srun and Beaniefan11. Canary757 (talk) 07:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: A participant and medalist of a world's foremost sports competition is considered notable. Best Regards (CP) 08:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. The nominator does not seem to understand the basic guidelines of the project. Svartner (talk) 12:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per WP:GNG. Source are clear. This nom should be closed.BabbaQ (talk) 14:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - based on the work done by Let'srun, with thanks. But the criticism of the nom. would be more relevant if any of this were actually in the article. A single good source, with the others found, is not, in fact, a clear pass of notability guidelines, but I think it is close enough and means that the article could be written. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:44, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Păduraru

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Does not have enough coverage to meet WP:NSPORT requirements. Darkm777 (talk) 01:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Another in a series of poor mass Olympic medalist AFDs by this user. One needs to actually check relevant archives before deleting; in this case, there appears to be many mentions in newspaper archives that should be checked. Remember that Paduraru is an Olympic medalist and world championship medalist in the offline era and coverage is virtually guaranteed to exist for this star Romanian sportswoman. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – Per BeanieFan11 and WP:COMMONSENSE. Svartner (talk) 12:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Similarly as per BeanieFan11, Svartner and WP:COMMONSENSE. Nayyn (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Enough of these pointless noms. Clearly notableper WP:GNG. BabbaQ (talk) 10:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - What sources are we relying on here to show this passes WP:BASIC? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Armand Biniakounou

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Declined prod. The added sources are not indepth. [9], [10] and [11] are merely small 1 line mentions and not SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 22:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep based on WP:NEXIST. I didn't create the article, but I found several new sources on the subject and improved the article with them just before it was nominated. Subject was a two-time Olympian and was honored as an expert representing his country to World Athletics years after the fact. There are newspapers in the Republic of the Congo that would have covered this at the time that can be used to further improve the article. --Habst (talk) 12:41, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
being a 2 time Olympian doesn't guarantee inherent notability. LibStar (talk) 23:07, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not guaranteed, but I think the WP:V info we have as confirmed by several WP:RS is enough to be confident that more sourcing exists out there. --Habst (talk) 13:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:MUSTBESOURCES LibStar (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I actually agree with that essay, but I don't think it applies here. It says "Any claim that sources exist must be verifiable" and in this case we do have WP:Verifiable info evidencing that sources exist, namely his two Olympic appearances and coaching honors. --Habst (talk) 15:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weak Keep: there are some coverage here and there for and beyond the Olympics, thus I favour keeping the article. FuzzyMagma (talk) 08:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Redirect Per below To meet GNG we need significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. None of the sources in this article meet that definition. Per nom., 1 line mentions are not significant coverage. News reports and listings are not secondary. We are not even close to a GNG pass and as WP:NATH is not met, there is no presumption that sources are likely to exist so the NEXIST argument is spurious. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:37, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:31, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Not that it helps (it's an interview), but he seems to be involved with the national athletics association lately [12]. Match results here [13], and one other hit in that "Athletisme" magazine, again only a match report. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sources exist, but they're all trivial mentions. At least one SIGCOV and I'd probably give this a !weak keep vote. Oaktree b (talk) 14:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Passing mentions do not count as SIGCOV, which is required to be cited in the article per NSPORT. Searches in PQ return nothing. JoelleJay (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is PQ? --Habst (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that they might be referring to ProQuest. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. It's certainly worth a search and I appreciate the effort, but I'm not sure why we would consider searching that archive of primarily academic content sufficient enough to !vote delete while actual Republic of Congo newspapers that would have covered the subject haven't been checked yet. --Habst (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Proquest has a global newspaper search, including a historical newspaper collection which includes titles from the Republic of Congo. Definitely a good place to check. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, I agree it's a good place to search and I appreciate the effort. The issue in this case is the most likely venue for sourcing isn't on the ProQuest historical newspaper archives but the actual ROC newspapers listed above, whose archives are not available on any online resource including ProQuest. --Habst (talk) 20:44, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What Congolese newspapers are in ProQuest? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know for sure that he would have been covered there though. Let'srun (talk) 17:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Republic of the Congo at the 1988 Summer Olympics#Athletics. Fails GNG due to lack of SIGCOV; everything in the article or discussed here is routine. Republic of the Congo at the 1992 Summer Olympics#Athletics is a suitable redirect target as well but I prefer 1988 because he had a better finish. Having multiple valid redirect targets is not grounds to choose neither and delete anyway. Frank Anchor 17:55, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Republic of the Congo at the 1988 Summer Olympics#Athletics: Subject does not appear to meet the relevant notability criteria due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. WP:SPORTSBASIC requires at least one piece of WP:SIGCOV to be in the article, and currently none exist. What is in the article includes some database and match results (1-3), along with some passing mentions (4-6), none of which contribute to notability. Redirect, but do not merge, as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ok with a !redirect as suggested, if it goes that way. Oaktree b (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Julia Lebedeva

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Fails WP:NSKATE. Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of notability. On-line searches yielded nothing. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:46, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Armenia at the 2002 Winter Olympics: Both this and the corresponding Russian article are devoid of any type of secondary coverage. As such, the subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 21:36, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She was actually quite famous. But my brief search didn't come with anything. (Understandably, cause 20 years have passed.)
I wouldn't delete articles like this. Cause you would need to find Russian and Armenian print papers from 97–02, they haven't been scanned for Google Books.
I've looked her up, she currently coaches very small kids in Moscow. Her students are so small, none of them are in the news, sadly. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Bordrline notable Olympic sportsman. Independent coverage does exist, but difficult to find. --Altenmann >talk 16:32, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Notable how? Finishing in 27th place out of 27 skaters? Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's why she dropped competitive sport, sad. Still borderline WP:GNG/WP:SIGCOV. --Altenmann >talk 17:03, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is that "significant coverage" in the room with us now? Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:38, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I can see, Altenmann found her entry on Sport-strana.ru, a Russian online sports encyclopedia. There's a detailed article.
The Sport Strana encyclopedia may not seem well-designed (it is stuck somewhere in the 2000s), but it is being used in 590 Russian Wikipedia articles ([14]). So it is definitely a serious, reliable website. And their article about Lebedeva is actually well-written and looks good. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:00, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

She represented Armenia at the Olympics and the Europeans, basically being an "acting" Armenian champion. (I have no idea if actual Armenian national championships were held at that time. So I can't prove she was actually a champion and thus passes WP:NSKATE.)
And she wasn't someone unknown even in Russia. She placed 6th at the Russian championships in the 1997/98 season and thus most probably qualified for the Russian national squad. Cause she represented Russia at the Golden Spin and Skate Israel early in the next season. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. All that said, I think she passes WP:NSKATE as a de facto Armenian champion. (At least de facto.)
@Altenmann:. I was afraid to vote because of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1176#User:Bgsu98 mass-nominating articles for deletion and violating WP:BEFORE. Where the emphasis of the discussion I started was shifted to attacking me. Since then, I've been avoiding AfD and decided to come here only because I know Lebedeva was famous enough. As were many other Russian skaters whose article were deleted during the past year. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A similar mop-up was earlier for footballers and ... pornstars. There was even a joke inforgaphics where, like, 55% of Wikipedia articles were pornstars, 25% pokemon :-). It is sad that now it seems to be 80% of Wikipedia edits is from wikignomes (that's what I see in my watchlist) rather than content creators. But there is a reasonable position that if a person is indeed notable to general public, not just to wikipedia lawyers, the bio will be recteated anyway ... or not. My personal approach is if I see some name mentioned an several wp articles, I write up a brief bio, such as Shulamit Volkov or Niyameddin Musayev or Bronislava Kerbelytė, to name a few of my articles no one cares about. --Altenmann >talk 18:01, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Of course Bgsu98 comes down as a 25-pound hammer on all these articles, but in his defense I may say that a HUGE number of nanostubs were created by dumping various databases into wp, without real loving care of the subjects. I remember this happened to locations in Antarctica (it took lots of work to merge/redirect them into larger features) ; we are still struggling with GNIS dumps of locations which do not exist anywhere but in GNIS; I remember one guy ctearted several dozens 200-character articles on railway stations in several minutes, I guess in a rat race to be the one to create the 1,000,000th Wikipedia article. And so on. So I see nothing wrong in backfiring with massive AfD nominations. --Altenmann >talk 18:19, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But these figure skater articles were not like that. Many were well-developed. There were several prominent editors who created such articles a few years ago. Maybe if these people were still active they would defend their creations.
This is a lesson why you need to write articles for contemporary skaters now and not wait 20 years. Cause in 20 years most of the online sources won't exist anymore, and it will be impossible to prove the people were famous once. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:33, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have added sources to this article. This is the English-language Wikipedia, so sources in languages other than English must include 1) the title translated into English, and b) the language of the source. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Must include". — That's not a requirement. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even when those articles were improved (I improved some of the mass AfD summitted skating bio articles after submission and they were properly cited before the nomination) they still draw attention of the nominator for deletion due to the narrow view of what is considered "notable". That said I'm not sure how these deletions makes a better Wikipedia. The nominator's assertion "No evidence of notability. On-line searches yielded nothing." is inaccurate as sources have been added to the article that are appropriate and as a national champion she passes WP:NSKATE. Nayyn (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Armenia at the 2002 Winter Olympics. Not much coverage to keep as stand alone article. Ramos1990 (talk)

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Keep Seems she passes WP:NSKATE as a champion. Archives908 (talk) 17:04, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Champion of what?!? Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eugen Almer

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Declined prod. The 2 third party sources added [15] and [16] are very small 1 line mentions and not SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Does not look notable and sourcing is weak. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of independent WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, extensive coverage in newspaper archives that need to be checked. Several appear to give biographies of him and one mentions he received something like the title "Master of Sport of Romania", which would arguably satisfy WP:ANYBIO as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per the WP:HEY effort by BeanieFan11. The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - We are not in HEY territory yet, I think. We need to locate secondary sources that significantly cover the subject and are independent and reliable. Are there any? This is not a !vote at this time, as I need to conduct my own searches. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Wahab Naser Al-Safra

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Declined prod. The 2 added sources don't really contribute to notability. The arabnews story is a 1 line mention and not SIGCOV. The Olympiads.sa source appears to be a primary source of the athlete's Olympic Federation. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 13:55, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think there's an WP:NEXIST case to be made here considering that the subject was one of the first three athletes to ever represent Saudi Arabia internationally. We have three different WP:RS sources covering the subject plus two prose-based ones that I found despite not knowing the target language. I think a Wikipedian in Saudi Arabia should be able to find more SIGCOV out there, understanding that that Saudi newspaper archives would certainly have covered this in the 1970s. --Habst (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Being one of the first athletes is fine, but we have no sourcing that talks about it. I can't find any in the languages I can speak; there might be some in Arab-language sources, but those aren't in my wheelhouse. Happy to revisit if someone can post some sort of extensive sourcing in the native language. Oaktree b (talk) 19:12, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Saudi Arabia at the 1972 Summer Olympics: Subject doesn't appear to currently have the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. While there may be offline coverage somewhere covering the subject, we can't keep any WP:BLP based on that possibility alone. Redirect as a WP:ATD with the page history preserved in the event better sourcing is found. Let'srun (talk) 21:16, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Saudi Arabia at the 1972 Summer Olympics per Let'srun. That is an acceptabe ATD as redirects are cheap. Database created Lugstub and we lack any sourcing. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Presumption of coverage based on appearing in the Olympics was explicitly deprecated in two separate global consensuses and therefore is an invalid !vote rationale. NEXIST is irrelevant. All that matters is IRS SIGCOV, which has not been identified. JoelleJay (talk) 15:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you link the consensuses you're referencing? I think that WP:NSPORTS2022 actually helps the case for this article because by transitioning away from subject-specific guidelines like WP:SPORTCRIT, we can rely on more subject-neutral guidelines like WP:N and NEXIST that provide a clearer path to notability. --Habst (talk) 16:13, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reiner Frieske

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Non-notable German handball player. I was unable to find any in-depth sources about him. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: silver medallist from the 1970 World Men's Handball Championship, according to de:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP: Notable for the following reasons: (see German Wikipedia for a slightly more detailed entry)

East German Handball Champion: He was a goalkeeper for the team that won the "DDR-Meister: (East German Championship) in 1964.
International Handball Player: Frieske played for the East German national handball team.
World Championship Appearances: He represented East Germany in the World Handball Championships in 1964, 1967, and 1970, with the team finishing 2nd place in 1970.
Olympian: He competed as part of the East German handball team at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich. He played in 6 out of 6 games during the tournament. The team played in the bronze medal match, but was edged out by Romania (19-16), finishing in 4th place.

References that I found clicking Google News above were in German. — ERcheck (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per ERcheck and sources which I found [17] and [18]. Note: Some sources wrote Rainer instead of Reiner. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 10:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Not encyclopedic and not really relevant to the English wiki. The German version of article looks pretty short too with only 3 sources. Ramos1990 (talk) 07:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – PDF file looks decent, but does the second newspaper even mention him? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes in the bottom left corner with the title "Geachtet als Sportsmann und Kamerad". 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's just an interview without independent analysis, so I'd lean towards Delete. Multiple sources containing significant coverage are required. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found more sources similar to the other pdf, centre left, bottom centre. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per sources presented in this AfD and WP:AGF. Svartner (talk) 10:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - coming at this late. Can we get another relist to examine the above sources more closely? What is the publication Lommatzscher Anzeiger? Published in 2020, that could be a good one, but is it independent and reliable? I'm less impressed by contemporary news reports, which are primary inasmuch as they report specific events, and not independent if interviews. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Elena Avram

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Does not have enough coverage to meet WP:NSPORT requirements. Darkm777 (talk) 00:29, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Not as clear notability as the others, but she was a world championship medalist and Olympedia includes a photo that looks recent from the Sportarad newspaper, which indicates that they likely covered her. What we have to do is find it. Its also quite likely there'd be further offline coverage, given her accomplishments took place before the internet. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORT does not state that Olympic Medal Winners are automatically qualified. Rowing does not have its own policy, but some sports such as Track & Field do and state that "Significant coverage is likely to exist for athletes who compete in the field of athletics if they meet any of the criteria below." One of the criteria is to have Top 8 placement in a major competition, but even then we need to have significant news coverage. Could you point me out to any specific policy that states Olympic medal winners automatically qualify? Darkm777 (talk) 02:18, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where in my above comment did I say that Olympic Medal Winners are automatically qualified? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No sports guideline grants automatic notability to anyone, but for what it's worth, Olympic medal winners are mentioned at WP:NOLY. Geschichte (talk) 13:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOLY states "Significant coverage is likely to exist." It doesn't say it is an automatic qualification. We still need significant coverage per the policies. Darkm777 (talk) 01:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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To me the bronze medal at 1975 World Rowing Championships is a pretty clear indication of notability.BabbaQ (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Romania at the 1976 Summer Olympics as a suitable ATD for an athlete that does not meet WP:NATH, and for whom we have no sourcing relevent to GNG/WP:SPORTBASIC. Yet another machine generated stub of a non notable competitor with no secondary sourcing. Failing a redirect, deletion would be best. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- This person is not someone who could meet NATH (sport of athletics); she's a rower. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:56, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Correct. I meant WP:NSPORT. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, no indication SIGCOV exists. JoelleJay (talk) 20:48, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- That a picture focused of her was featured in a recent newspaper is not indication that there may be coverage of her in that newspaper? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:34, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  The picture is from a race results article that has one sentence on her. JoelleJay (talk) 23:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]