Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constantino Kapambwe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Northern Rhodesia at the 1964 Summer Olympics as Zambia at the 1964 Summer Olympics redirects there. ✗plicit 03:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Constantino Kapambwe

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Declined prod. 2 third party sources added, the rest are databases/results listings. This is a small 1 line mention and not SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Africa. LibStar (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think that there are two issues here: a behavioral one as outlined in comment; and a content-based issue. I will try to keep my comments here only about the content but it's difficult because I think both are relevant.

Kapambwe was the top Olympian from his country and was noticed by The Baltimore Sun for running the entire Olympic marathon barefoot. It's all but certain there is more coverage than what I found; looking at Zambian newspapers would be a start, which is important to note because none of their 1960s archives have been checked yet. Yes, there's a systemic bias against African countries that affects the coverage available to us, but that's not the same thing as saying that no coverage exists, or even worse that we shouldn't look at all. --Habst (talk) 01:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Zambia at the 1964 Summer Olympics: No evidence of passing WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. The Baltimore Sun "notice" flagged by the "keep" !voter above is a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION: However, three of the contestants started out barefoot. Harbanslal Harbanslal of India, Constantino Kapambwe of Northern Rhodesia and Mathias Kanda of Rhodesia. However, redirecting as an AtD will preserve the page history should future sourcing the qualifies this subject for mainspace be found. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Nobody is saying that "we shouldn't look", we should, in theory, but more importantly, we "must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". According to developments in policy, this must be in place before the article is created, not an infinite number of years after it's created – especially when there is no clear indication of notability such as here. I agree that there are issues regarding behaviour, as well as the D-word, disruptive editing, and I'd like to propose that these athlete prods/afds are placed on hold for a while, as they and the oftentimes nonsensical arguments therein are getting very tiresome. Geschichte (talk) 06:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zambia at the 1964 Summer Olympics as an alternative to deletion – WP:WHYN and WP:SPORTCRIT both respectively state that "We require the existence of at least one secondary source so that the article can comply with Wikipedia:No original research's requirement that all articles be based on secondary sources." and that "All sports biographies [...] must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. [...]" The sources provided in the article do not help in establishing notability since they are either a database or don't provide significant coverage of the subject at hand. Searches performed on (but not limited to) Google or Newspapers.com didn't turn up any sources that would help establish notability. Looking at what we currently have, there doesn't seem to be enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:58, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Aviationwikiflight, the keep argument in this case isn't in conflict with either of those guidelines. If we have reliable indicators that GNG-contributing sources exist, they can be used to fulfill WP:N even if they aren't linked in the article. --Habst (talk) 23:54, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree with what you're saying and it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility that these sources do indeed exist but we're missing proof that they actually do. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:17, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per comments above by Dclemens1971 and Geschichte. Cbl62 (talk) 00:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zambia at the 1964 Summer Olympics : Subject doesn't appear to currently have the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. While there may be offline coverage somewhere covering the subject, we can't keep any WP:BLP based on that possibility alone. Redirect as a WP:ATD with the page history preserved in the event better sourcing is found. Let'srun (talk) 12:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, in agreement with comments above. XwycP3 (talk) 19:26, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.