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António Serôdio

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António Serôdio (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT. The only source providing non-primary coverage here is [[1]], which only confirms his birth date, and I couldn't find anything better in Portuguese newspapers. Let'srun (talk) 12:18, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

José Sena

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José Sena (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Declined prod with this reason: meets WP:NATH #7.

I don't see this person meeting WP:NATH especially as he didn't complete the sole Olympics event he competed in. LibStar (talk) 06:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Portugal. LibStar (talk) 06:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Redirect - Nothing found in my WP:BEFORE. IRS SIGCOV is needed for all such articles, and yeah, they didn't even finish the race so it seems unlikely that there would ever have been much in the way of coverage. There are a lot of other Jose Sena's out there so I'd caution anyone doing BEFORE work on this to make sure that any references found are about the same Jose Sena. FOARP (talk) 10:04, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Portugal at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics where this person's name is mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect. From the "expanded" article, source 3 is passing mentions in primary race coverage Red XN; 4 is a namecheck Red XN; 5 is a namecheck Red XN; 6 is a namecheck Red XN; 8 is a namecheck Red XN; 9 is passing in primary race coverage Red XN; 13 is a namecheck Red XN; 14 is passing Red XN. No evidence of the required IRS SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 19:13, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Portugal at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 20:49, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. This is one of the better attempts at saving an Olympian stub lately. It shows a path to notability. His claim to notability would not mainly stem from the 1980 Olympics, but from the World Cross Country Championships where he finished 30th in 1980 and 31st in 1982. I have found what looks to be significant coverage about the POC's decision to omit/bypass José Sena at the 1984 Summer Olympics. [2][3] Mind you, I'm not taking any mention as "sigcov". Maybe others would have success in searching portal.arquivos.pt too? Geschichte (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Not sold on this being SIGCOV: Sena was one of three Portuguese athletes subject to the decision discussed in these articles so it seems unlikely that there would be detail about him. More likely the real story was Portugal at these events, which justifies the redirect (and covering the decision there). Of course, if people can get access to coverage of this decision that could change. FOARP (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know what you mean about "the real story was Portugal". It says in plain language that the stories are about 2 and 3 individuals respectively, and this does not seem to me like such a large group that Sena would drown out in the crowd. One story is about the omission itself, the other is about wider repercussions, i.e. a solidarity action from other athletes, showing at least some kind of significance at the time beyond the individual. At the same time, I only said it looks like sigcov, not that it is without having seen the whole articles. Geschichte (talk) 06:28, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    IDK - I’ve not been able to access the specific stories listed here but I’ve read stories about it available from other outlets (eg La Stampa) and they have no SIGCOV of Sena specifically. They focus on the decision of the Portuguese officials to have a higher bar than the IOC and the complaints of the Portuguese athletics team as a whole. I’m not sure these outlets would be much different - the story isn’t about these individuals per se. FOARP (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd believe the Italian newspaper you read it in, has much more second-hand information, and also condensed it considerably because their readers would not be familiar with any of the Portuguese individuals. Domestic newspapers would on the other hand include much more detail; I can't say anything firmly about the sources though. Geschichte (talk) 21:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep based on Diário Popular coverage linked above. --Habst (talk) 13:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per the expansion and that we know for a fact he was covered in Diário Popular. We can't access it, but apparently the article, which covered only him and one other subject, was large, given the statement in the records "Newspaper clipping taken from the box with the quotation 00220, cover no. 78B 'Preparation for the Games', due to its size, was found together with other smaller press clippings on the same subject." That is very, very, very likely to be significant coverage. I'll further state that it is not at all reasonable to assume someone like him, whose absence from an Olympics apparently received SIGCOV, would not have additional coverage for any of his numerous world championship appearances, numerous national championships, or his national records. I am entirely certain that a search of relevant newspapers (which has not been done) would reveal abundant extensive coverage. The expanded article, along with the coverage that is guaranteed to exist, is sufficient to keep. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Portugal at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics - As per FOARPs analysis, the two news reports linked above are not secondary coverage of the athlete. The story is about the Portuguese decision on admission times. We don't need to get into the fact that news reporting is primary and such like, because WP:PAGEDECIDE must be considered, and is too often neglected. There is nothing here showing why a page is merited for this athlete, and all information in the source can be covered in the redirect target - where it would be better placed. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:47, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • In what way would the several decent paragraphs, containing numerous details such as his clubs, national titles, national records, world championship appearances, etc., be "better placed" at the Portugal at the Olympics article?? A vaguewave at "PAGEDECIDE" doesn't tell us anything, and there is most certainly many things showing here why a page is merited – national titles, national records, world championship appearances...the fact that we are 100% certain he has newspaper coverage – these are all things that are near-certain to have attracted abundant SIGCOV. For any American, of Swiss, or Icelandic (the countries with the best newspaper archives) in this position we'd easily be able to prove GNG for. BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      In your !vote above, you say, of the Diário Popular cutting, that we cannot access it but that you believe it is very likely SIGCOV on the page subject because it is apparently larger than the other cuttings. But the article is not about the page subject, it is about the Portuguese Olympic Committee decision, so even if you are correct about its size, it is very much a guess that there is SIGCOV. But also, I am not convinced it is larger than the other shorter cuttings it is found with. It appears to have been collated in a collection of shorter cuttings. Notice that the Portuguese you have translated here is ... outros recortes de imprensa de menor dimensão sobre o mesmo assunto. De menor is indeed the comparative form there, and can be translated as shorter. But it doesn't have to be. De menor dimensão is literally "of minor/lesser size", but is often used as an irregular comparative of pequeno. Yet it is not at all clear to me that it is saying the other clippings are of lesser size than this one. Rather, it says that, owing to its [apparently small] size, it was found amongst other small clippings (other clippings that, like this one, are of lesser size). So no, we have no evidence of SIGCOV there. Everything else is equally speculative. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with this analysis. I've been watching this page hoping someone eventually got access to the newspaper articles, but seeing as we still don't actually know the extent of the secondary coverage they give directly to Sena, I don't think it's viable to presume SIGCOV exists. The expansion of the page is also totally irrelevant, as it is entirely from primary databases and thus not inherently encyclopedic material in the first place. JoelleJay (talk) 15:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While I think the consensus is clear, I think this will be contentious so aiming for more eyeballs
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 14:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - People above are !voting keep based on coverage that they have not read and which is not directly about the subject, but is instead about the decision to bar three athletes from the 1984 Olympics of whom the subject is article is only one. All coverage of the decision not to qualify the three athletes that I have been able to access does not give any of them significant coverage and there is no really reason to believe the Diário Popular would be any different in this. For example the Reuters article on it was only 77 words in total. I do not udnerstand how anyone can say with certainty that SIGCOV for Sena specifically exists in these circumstances. Additionally, WP:PAGEDECIDE means we should redirect in any event, since without SIGCOV that we can access a stand-alone article cannot be maintained. FOARP (talk) 11:08, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • The nation where he is from is much more likely to cover the event in-depth than international wire reports such as Reuters (the fact that international wire reports such as Reuters even covered it strongly indicates it was a notable story in Portugal). The description of the source indicates that it is large as well. "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article." BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:34, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      The description does not indicate that it says anything at all about Sena. The decision being a story doesn’t mean that Sena was a story. FOARP (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Portugal at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics: Subject lacks the needed coverage for the subject to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT, as the sources in the article appear to either be trivial namedrops or databases, which do not provide in depth or secondary coverage about the subject, not other events which the subject played a minor role in. Even if the Diário Popular source is WP:SIGCOV, which has not been defintiatvely proven, we still need multiple pieces of significant coverage for this WP:BLP to meet the notability guidelines. BLP's require strong secondary sourcing, and right not I'm just not finding that here either in the article or elsewhere. Redirect as a WP:ATD with no prejudice against recreation should future significant coverage emerge. Let'srun (talk) 11:50, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. Just one significant coverage is not even enough to warrant a keep vote. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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