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Bob Holtzman

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Fails the WP:GNG. I turned up one article in the Cincinnati Enquirer but no other significant coverage. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 23:37, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Burger King foot lettuce

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Not enough significant coverage beyond a few contemporary articles released at the time of the meme's creation thus fails WP:GNG. HookFTW (talk) 09:24, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It actually does fulfil WP:GNG because it does have sources from years after its creation. (Indeed, I even found one published yesterday just now about it), thus confirms it does have WP:SUSTAINED coverage to meet GNG. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:50, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG Jdn2004 (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2025 July 17. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 09:50, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Internet, and Ohio. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:55, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Agreed that unlike many memes, this one has stood the test of time in terms of ongoing coverage, which I think the article demonstrates. One could argue the title should be "Burger King foot lettuce internet meme."

Dflovett (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Just what Wikipedia is for. Hyperbolick (talk) 21:35, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this internet meme is certainly notable to have continued coverage past its height in popularity. Surayeproject3 (talk) 15:33, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Perhaps I'm a bit biased, but a look at the sources, even at the time of AFD, shows two sig cov reliable sources ([1][2]) from long after the incident, and, along with the Stuff article (reliable per WP:NEWSORG) and a blurb in a Mashed article should be more than enough to pass WP:GNG. Based5290 :3 (talk) 07:14, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Subject has stood the test of time and meets WP:GNG. I also found some useful sources not yet in the article: [3] [4] [5] [6] jolielover♥talk 07:50, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Subject is notable. TheBritinator (talk) 00:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Memes can meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG and therefore, merit inclusion on Wikipedia. There was an attempt to remove Hawk tuah recently as well. There isn't a special carveout in the rules that means memes are more worthy of deletion than other notable things. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 17:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep although to recent attention is due to the subject's death, it has long–term notability and meets WP:GNG. 53 (talk) 20:51, 21 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Keep - an early example of Internet OSINT, also is certainly a memorable moment in 4chan history NeverBeGameOver (talk) 06:07, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This is a famous internet meme that is known across the world, and it should not be deleted after the man died. Verthecontributer (talk) 04:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Racism in Columbus, Ohio

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WP:NOPAGE. I believe previous discussions such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tenant harassment lawsuits and cases in Santa Monica and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Climate change in Baden-Württemberg, where a broad topic is given a hyperlocal framing, are relevant here. This article is essentially a history of racism in the United States - the Great Migration, Jim Crow laws, redlining, Brown v. Board of Education, etc. - as applied to a single city. It would not be feasible to have hundreds of articles about "Racism in X U.S. city" with generic content like this. There is nothing extraordinary about the history of racism in Columbus in particular to justify an article. For example, the article currently says that Columbus is the 55th most racially segregated city in the U.S. out of 112 cities - right in the middle of the list. Some of this content can be selectively merged to Columbus, Ohio and Columbus Division of Police. Astaire (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and seems a bit coatracky. Metallurgist (talk) 22:37, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge first 4 paragraphs of History section to Columbus, Ohio#History, delete the rest. Much of this article (sadly) applies to just about every major city in the US, making this a bit of a WP:COATRACK for a generic topic. Other parts of the article might be merge-able to Racism in the United States, as a city-specific example. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:50, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:GNG, as there are plenty of great sources here which are specifically about this large American city. It is fine to have local history in Wikipedia naming particular people, places, and events, even if other cities have comparable circumstances. And other places in Amercica do have similar circumstances, because in Category:History of racism in the United States by state or territory, we have several hundred other articles about location-specific circumstances. The nominators are correct that Wikipedia does not seem to currently have any other "Racism by American city" articles, but I am entirely sympathetic to the idea of documenting the intersection of cultural heritage and places, especially when we have so many sources. I also recognize WeirdNAnnoyed's complaint that lots of the history is repeated from other places, but in this article, I see either uncited claims which have other Wikipedia backing like links to main articles which do have citations (" safe for African Americans to visit... only four survive: the Macon Hotel, the Hotel St. Clair") or kind of routine, but with a local authority cited like https://doi.org/10.2307%2F2714730 . As a general principle, I would support anyone creating articles for any well documented civil rights movement in any city, regardless of potential repetition, just so long as there were local sources and wiki-notable concepts to report. Bluerasberry (talk) 23:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
passes WP:GNG I actually don't think it does. This source is specifically about racism and public health. This source is specifically about redlining. This source is 80 years old and is mainly about "Negro life" rather than racial discrimination. And the other sources in the article are even less useful. Where are the sources that discuss "racism in Columbus" as a whole, uniting the different topics discussed in the article? If there are none, this runs into WP:BADTHINGS issues, as other users have said.

Wikipedia does not seem to currently have any other "Racism by American city" articles Not only are there no other "Racism in X U.S. city" articles, there are not even any "Racism in X U.S. state" articles. As far as I can tell, this is the only subnational article about racism in any U.S. location. And there is probably a reason for that: the creator (who is now inactive here) appears to have been very passionate about creating articles on local Ohio topics. Yes, this is a WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST argument, but the argument grows in strength when there are hundreds of cities and 50 states, all of which you argue could have their own "Racism in X" article, and yet none of them exist. We should ask ourselves why that is. Astaire (talk) 06:16, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Astaire: Wikipedia's bar for passing GNG is very low - just two articles on the topic. I se no ambiguity about this article passing GNG. For a topic, we need articles which address that topic, and there is no identify a broad textbook with a unifying vision. As you say, we have articles covering distinct aspects. These include racism in Columbus Ohio for housing discrimination, police, protest events, tourism, and social justice programs. There is no source which combines all of these into a unifying narrative.

While we do not have other racism by American articles, we do have demographic by city articles including LGBTQ culture in Chicago and History of African Americans in Houston. Intersectional topics in Wikipedia are inconsistent because they are low-readership and because we have few editors. Despite this, building out local culture is common in Wikipedia and we have many such articles, even if we do not have complete national sets.

The creator - whose page I watch, and through whose talk page I found this discussion - has been prominent in Wikipedia for their views of thoroughly documenting culture by cities. I think this is a good thing, and wish local historians and interested community members would build out whatever local perspectives they like. Wikipedia does not have a size limit, and we have no need to prune content which passes fact-checking and topical relevance just because a topic is local to the level of a city. Even after all these years, it is also still okay to do new things in Wikipedia. Interest in city history is quite common in every city in the world, even if our Wikipedia editorial ancestors hardly did this. I am in favor of every city in America building out articles like this if anyone organizes content of this quality. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:47, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no source which combines all of these into a unifying narrative. Yes, this is exactly my point: there are sources which cover aspects of the subject, but no source that directly addresses the topic of "racism in Columbus" as a whole. So the case for GNG is dubious.

Compare this with your example of LGBTQ culture in Chicago, where the "Further reading" section gives three whole books that are directly about the general subject.

There is a stronger case for reworking this into History of African Americans in Columbus, à la your second example, since this article is already halfway there. And there are indeed sources which address that topic as a whole: e.g. [7], [8] Astaire (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Wikipedia wants unifying narratives, and this article is deficient for not having one. Despite that, I still feel that GNG is a much lower standard than that.

It could be nice to have an article titled, History of African Americans in Columbus, but if we did, this content would be WP:UNDUE to merge into that for showing a long focused history on only one aspect. We could not just rename this article to be about culture. Also, I do not think we should delete the content of this article just because it is not connected as a subtopic to something higher in the hierarchy. I could establish a brief parent article if that helped the case for this one, but if I did that, the parent article would be a placeholder for a later editor to add more and contain a subsection on racism which pointed to this article. I do not think it is realistic to attract anyone to build a Columbus focused African history article in the next few years though. Bluerasberry (talk) 12:49, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think these sources give unifying narratives over decades, from probably 1800s to 1940s. From the wiki article -

"Frank Uriah Quillin, who wrote in his 1913 book The Color Line in Ohio: A History of Race Prejudice in a Typical Northern State: 'Columbus, the capital of Ohio, has a feeling toward the negroes all its own. In all my travels in the state, I found nothing just like it. It is not so much a rabid feeling of prejudice against the negroes simply because their skin is black as it is a bitter hatred for them.'"^[1]^[2]

References

^ Oliphint, Joel. "Cover: The roots of Columbus' ongoing color divide". Columbus Alive.
^ Himes, J. S. (1942). "Forty Years of Negro Life in Columbus, Ohio". The Journal of Negro History. 27 (2): 133–154. doi:10.2307/2714730. ISSN 0022-2992. JSTOR 2714730. S2CID 149546155.

Bluerasberry (talk) 12:48, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:GNG, there is no guarantee 2 sources will be considered enough. I guess it could happen, if they are great on-topic sources with extensive coverage etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:16, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:GNG. 71.231.11.148 (talk) 05:36, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Akashia (drag queen)

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Notability is not demonstrated. Sources in order of citenote:

1. Fansite with dubious (fictitious?) "statistics" of drag queen skills

2. A mention in a "where are they now?" EW article on the RPDR S1 cast

3. User-generated wiki

4. User-generated wiki

5. A blog/directory of drag pageant queens

6. A very brief mention in a Yahoo list of drag queen cameos in music videos

7. Named once as an aside in an article about other drag queens

8. People Magazine coverage of an episode of TV that the article subject made a cameo in

9. Somebody's blog, not even styling itself as anything more legit than that

10. YouTube clip of the TV episode covered in People

11. Self-published YouTube video by the article's subject

12. Music video in which article subject appeared

13. User-generated wiki

Subject also doesn't meet WP:ENTERTAINER, having only one notable role to her credit. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 01:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wow. That was fast. Feels a bit personal or maybe something else. Who knows. Regardless, I disagree completely. If Akashia isn't notable enough then there are a lot of articles on WP that will need to be removed.

First, it should be noted that Akashia is one of 5 contestants out of the 200+ contestants from the US franchise of Drag Race that doesn't have a WP article. There are other contestants that have far fewer citations from far less reliable sources. I did hours of extensive research to put together this article and believe that I have met the standard. Second, being from season 1, mainstream media wasn't paying as much attention to the show or the show's contestants. That makes it much harder to find citations beyond non-traditional media.

Regardless, understanding that this is about notability, beyond the citations that have been included already, I have now added more references to support Akashia's notability. The inclusion of the YouTube clips 10, 11 and 12 was to support the mention of appearances as is standard protocol for artists. As I mentioned on the talk page, I included the one blog article because it was unique content not found elsewhere. User-generated wikis are included to support information found in other mainstream media. BadNewsBear (talk) 03:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Following on my comments and additional citations, I looked at the WP articles of some of the lesser known contestants from the first 10 seasons of the show, and based on the criteria laid out by @Zanahary, the following articles should arguably be deleted: Phoenix, The Princess, Penny Tration, Serena ChaCha, Tempest DuJour, Sasha Belle, Kandy Ho, Max, Dhalia Sin. And that's just a quick scan. If I dig into each page, particularly from the earlier seasons when there was less coverage from mainstream media - not to mention the advent of social media - would each of these contestants stand up to the test for natability?

An important question to ask is about notability is does a person's participation in such a culturally significant show as RuPaul's Drag Race lead to notability. If we were to look up the cast of other reality television series, do those contestants meet the standard of notability? For example, Jamie Kern Lima or Holly Meowy of Big Brother or Bradford Cohen or Kelly Perdew from The Apprentice. Or Sarah Kozer from Joe Millionaire. I would argue that none of these people's articles show notability. Yet none of these articles has been nominated for deletion.

The criteria for WP:Entertainer is "The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." I would argue that Akashia meets that standard easily - better than some other contestants from Drag Race, and far better than numerous people who have articles on WP.

I will continue to add to this article, but I believe I have met the standard for notability. BadNewsBear (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @BadNewsBear, thanks for engaging, and I know it's dismaying to have an article nominated for deletion. Don't worry, this isn't personal—I don't know you; this article was just at the top of the new pages feed when I opened it.

That other article subjects may also fail notability criteria is not an argument for keeping this one—see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS for an explanation. If you do feel that these other articles should be deleted, please nominate them for deletion. I'll take a look at the ones you linked myself.

Re: your question about whether participation in a culturally significant show brings a person to notability for Wikipedia's purposes, the answer is no—our notability guidelines are more strict than that. If just taking part in a significant show were enough, then the notability guidelines would say so. Instead, WP:ENTERTAINER specifies that subjects must have had significant roles in multiple ... productions. One arguably significant role in RuPaul's Drag Race and a handful of non-significant cameo roles in the same show does not meet that criterion.

Akashia is not shown in any reliable sources to have made unique, prolific, or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:04, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Zanahary. I'm happy to engage, and I'm not taking anything personally. I'll freely admit that my contributions to WP have been sporadic and limited so I'm not an 'expert' by any means, although I'm trying to be a better contributor. It was the speed at which you added the deletion tag that surprised me. I also noted that you have nominated a few pages for deletion today. Regardless, from my research WP recommends working to improve the article before deletion, and that is what I'm trying to do and encouraging other editors to do the same.

None the less, I still disagree with your interpretation of the guidelines. WP:ENTERTAINER specifies that a person may be considered notable if:

The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or
The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

Emphasis on OR. Being part of the first case of RuPaul's Drag Race is, in itself, unique, prolific and innovation. Regardless of how people feel about Akashia (I have my own opinion), her participation in the show was ground breaking and meets the criteria of unique, prolific and innovative, as is the case for every other cast member from season 1. The show changed television in so many ways, and I believe have presented numerous citation that show that.

I don't believe the other articles (at least for the RPDR contestants) should be deleted because I believe they have met the criteria for notability just as Akashia has. BadNewsBear (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I consider your interpretation of the entertainer notability guideline to mean that everyone who competed on the inaugural season of a show considered to be "ground-breaking" is notable to be a big stretch (see WP:NOTINHERITED), but that's something we can allow others to weigh in on. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Zanahary! As someone who is a reality tv fan, there's one person in particular who always make Wikipedia articles of the contestants. I don't know why, but it doesn't bother me. If you go to my page, I usually just edit reality tv personal pages and also people from New York because I'm also from New York. Some of them don't have a lot of info, but it's our job to provide and educate people.

Akashia being on the first season (in 2009) and it being a very queer and black show makes it hard to find information because of the times. Joey Nolfi from EW has really been the only reporter who consistently giving interviews with these girls, making it hard for the older season girls to give interviews. Me and @BadNewsBear will try and find better sources. Going through BNB's page, he's very passionate about queer history, and as a bi history nerd myself, I get why he made this article. This article also follows the second rule:

"The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

While it 100% does need better sources, I don't think it should be deleted. Many articles need better sources and some even half very few but nobody tried deleting them. I know Acacia Forgot and Arrietty had their pages remove but it's back up, and that would just happen with Akashia. It just takes time, especially with older internet. 2009 wasn't that long, but due to the cultural background of the show, there was little to no articles from 2009 about season 1. MiitomoChris (talk) 05:20, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If sources that establish notability can be found, then that's great and the article ought to (and will) be kept. If those sources don't exist, regardless of why or whether it's right or fair that that's the case, notability standards are notability standards—the whole reason they exist is because we on Wikipedia follow the lead of reliable secondary sources.

For third parties: MiitomoChris was canvassed to this discussion via his Talk page. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:23, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not independently notable outside RuPauls show, or it appears even on the show. Metallurgist (talk) 20:52, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Pumpkin Roll

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A background search and the external link reveal occasional local news coverage and a small mention on NBC/ESPN. Absolutely no in-line citations in the article, and struggles with encyclopedic tone, instead reading reflective. Much of the information seems trivial. A mention and brief explanation in Chagrin Falls, Ohio seems more appropriate. A local high school's tradition doesn't really warrant a Wikipedia article, even if well-known locally. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 17:02, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 17:08, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - cute but local event. I won't object to a smerge, but if you don't do it, the closing admin will be stuck with the job. Bearian (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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[alive-1] Oliphint, Joel. "Cover: The roots of Columbus' ongoing color divide". Columbus Alive.

[2] Himes, J. S. (1942). "Forty Years of Negro Life in Columbus, Ohio". The Journal of Negro History. 27 (2): 133–154. doi:10.2307/2714730. ISSN 0022-2992. JSTOR 2714730. S2CID 149546155.

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