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Solid Frog

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Band released two albums on Overture Records, a Michigan-based independent label. They do have a biography on Allmusic, but I don't see WP:SIGCOV. Rift (talk) 05:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryan Bow

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Meets neither GNG or NMMA, and as it's the only page the creator has ever worked on, I'm going to say probably a vanity page, or at least some sort of conflict of interest. Nswix (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Rift (talk) 03:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Bow actually meets WP:NMMA, having been top 10 in the world in FightMatrix rankings in several years.^[1] While the article certainly lacks a whole lot of references and needs to be worked on regarding WP:NPOV among many other issues, it still has grounds to become approved. Ticelon (talk) 09:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I missed that, only having caught his 'last ranking'. Nswix (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Ryan Bow - MMA Fighter Profile, Record, Ranking - FightMatrix.com".

SIGCOV here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Bow does meet WP:NMMA, though I don't know how fightmatrix's ranking system works. He beat 6 unranked opponents when he started to get to #6 and finished 1-5 again top 20 fighters. I don't think that one article in a local paper about him winning a minor event qualifies as the multiple, independent, reliable sources mentioned at WP:GNG nor does he meet WP:ANYBIO. I also grant that there may be more coverage of him that hasn't yet been found. Normally I'd default to the view that meeting WP:NMMA is sufficient, but in this case I think I'll abstain. Papaursa (talk) 23:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the guy didn't really beat anyone, has one article in a local paper from before he was a pro, but for whatever reason meets this weird criteria of having been ranked in the top ten at a time when his weight class barely existed, so he barely passes one of the criteria for NMMA... weird. Nswix (talk) 05:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joey Mazzola

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:SIGCOV. Passing mentions in some sources as being a member of various bands, but no in-depth coverage. Not notable outside being a member of Sponge. Rift (talk) 21:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think there is more than passing mentions of him being a member of the band Infinite River in some sources. So it is notable that he is in that band and was also a former member of Sponge. T Yorke (talk) 22:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can appreciate the fact that you have done quite a bit of editing on Sponge and related articles, but the sources in the article don't support this assertion. Can you list the multiple reliable secondary sources that give the subject independent coverage, as outlined in WP:MUSICBIO and WP:SIGCOV? Simply being a member of an otherwise notable band (Sponge is, Infinite River is not) is not enough to establish independent notability; see WP:BANDMEMBER. Rift (talk) 23:14, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reference numbers 8 and 9 in the article mention Mazzola multiple times. There's also an AllMusic biography of Infinite River and reviews of their three albums. T Yorke (talk) 06:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:SIGCOV: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail. Neither of these sources discuss Mazzola this way; they merely mention him as a guitarist in a band. Rift (talk) 06:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge into Sponge (band), which is unquestionably notable. Bearian (talk) 02:29, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just added information with references about Mazzola's career in art, which is notable @Rift. T Yorke (talk) 05:43, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He was a member of four bands that have Wiki pages (two or three of which were on major labels), and his article has over a dozen sources already, most of which are considered to be reliable sources. The biography section could use some expansion, and a separate discography section would be helpful, but I don't think it's necessary to delete or merge with Sponge. Xanarki (talk) 00:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article got an expansion with information confirming Mazzola's notability outside Sponge. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 05:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It's admittedly a close call, but he satisfies WP:BANDMEMBER thanks to some recent and dedicated coverage of his art career and other accomplishments outside of Sponge. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG. The band is major enough and he was a founding member of this prominent band. It would be better if he had more RSes to bolster inclusion but he is definitely notable enough. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 15:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sameer Gadhia

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:SIGCOV. No standalone notability outside band. scope_creep^Talk 20:56, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any other reasons why my article was nominated for deletion? How can I make it better? Emmoluch (talk) 21:02, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Absolutely fails WP:MUSICBIO. Charlie (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - we've frequently redirected articles about band members to the band's article. Bearian (talk) 00:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Wall (guitarist)

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Musician from non-notable band. Passing mentions in local press as a part of his band. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Rift (talk) 08:23, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Chandler Park Academy

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ROTM article without any WP:RS and nothing turned up on WP:BEFORE except routine coverage of their football team hroest 15:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep I think there is some history that could make the article more interesting, and perhaps some content can be found that would justify an assertion of notability. This [archive-url https://web.archive.org/web/20110710030837/http://chandlerparkacademy.net/about-us/history.html] has some clues.--Kerbyki (talk) 18:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What I see here is an extremely short, promotional blurb from the schools website, unfortunately I did not see any WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources that cover the history of the school as required per WP:NSCHOOL. --hroest 14:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - I added a source from the The Michigan Chronicle that was not all that hard to find. I just inserted a sentence and added the source. But this school looks very notable, and it shouldn't take much effort to expand this article, complete with sources. — Maile (talk) 01:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All I can see is a single article that is a puff piece for a corporate donation to the school and contains hardly any information about the school itself, the best information you could extract from that article is that the donation happened, nothing more. I still dont see WP:THREE reliable independent sources with WP:SIGCOV. --hroest 19:25, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep, better with the work that alice did. people wanting more info on this place, although small can. many times these you can put a lot into them, however there's a lot of them and its quite nice to have a collection of info on a place. there generaly not many infos on academy's. school that are used by hundred's or thousands I think are automatically notable even with less research JamesEMonroe (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

high schools are not automatically notable, see WP:NSCHOOL and here. --hroest 19:25, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I fought hard for the past standard that all high schools were presumed notable, but I have since gone along with the consensus. Generally speaking, there needs to be three full stories in mainstream media for a school to be notable. These could be about their academic successes, notable alumni, winning a debate or glee club championship, or even scandals and crimes (the converage can be good, bad, or ugly). That places schools that haven't been open a long time at a distinct disadvantage. Bearian (talk) 00:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to to Harper_Woods,_Michigan#Education. This does not look notable. I don't see this as enough for a stand alone article. Its main claim to notability is one alimni who played pro basketball, but the actual acadmy itself if not notable on its own. Ramos1990 (talk) 06:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If discussion considers notability of the subject itself and not the subject's type, is it notable enough? A final relist for a clear consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HilssaMansen19 (talk) 23:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Harper_Woods,_Michigan#Education not sufficiently notable for an article but it is good prose that some readers will find useful on the subject Czarking0 (talk) 01:38, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alinur Velidedeoğlu

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It was deleted a year ago, and not much has changed since then. There’s been the same routine coverage of events, interviews, and mentions. Since he’s an advertising executive, some routine media coverage is to be expected, but direct, in‑depth, quality coverage is still lacking. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 09:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Notability is easily satisfied through both the GNG and the SNG about creative artists. The sources are not routine coverage. His advertising work is covered in depth in two academic papers. He was in charge of Turkey's second largest and oldest political party's advertising campaign. The nominator did an AfC review for this article but did not mention at all any concern about "notability" in their review comments, all their concern was about the non-encyclopedic style and NPOV violations. What is the reason for this inconsistency? If there is a notability concern, they should have mentioned in their AfC review. The subject is also the producer of various notable productions, which received coverage in sources like The Hollywood Reporter, which is considered a reliable source. The second deletion discussion was poorly attended, with non-policy-based !votes. RE: "not much has changed since then", please compare the two versions. Also, please see @Fram's comment in the first deletion discussion. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article was declined by Article for Creation on May 3 for being too promotional in tone. Article was then moved to main space by the creator with the comment The article waited too long in the AfC queue, and I disagree with the feedback it received. Feel free to nominate it for deletion if there are any concerns. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, but not exactly... I'm not the article's creator. It was created in 2007, and I wasn't active on Wikipedia at the time, and I have no connection to the user who created it. The AfC reviewer and the nominator of this AfD are the same user, and for some reason, they believe not much has changed between this version of the article and this earlier version. Also, they didn't say it was promotional; they said the style violates the Neutral Point of View (NPOV) policy. I wasn't sure whether that meant it was too promotional or too defamatory, as there are paragraphs that could be interpreted either way, and all based on reliable sources. Note that the sources that I used are not tabloids, but mainstream Turkish newspapers, columnists, commentators and academic papers. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The two versions that need to be compared are the one declined at AFC 12:03, 3 May 2025 edit and the draft moved to main space 20:07, 3 May 2025. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alinur_Velidedeo%C4%9Flu&diff=1288613775&oldid=1288553988 You are correct that the article was declined as not written in a formal, neutral encyclopedic tone. I misspoke in my previous post when I stated the article was declined as being too promotional in tone. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination statement of this AfD incorrectly states that not much has changed since the prior nomination, that's the reason I asked those two versions to be compared. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

comment I declined the speedy deletion, because the current article is substantially different from the one deleted, which consisted of only two of the current paragraphs. The opinion of a AfC reviewer does not constitute a deletion discussion, there is no need to have any improvement after that. No opinion on the notability, but given that it is harder to assert notability for people outside the english language world (and english references) and the efforts of TheJoyfulTentmaker in improving it, I suggest, that it is draftified/userfied if not kept - Nabla (talk) 11:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As I clarified in the 2nd nomination. I do not think that the sources is adequate for passing GNG.--Kadı Message 10:03, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 01:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sufficient media presence for a socialite, akin to Kardashians, "notable for being notable". --Altenmann >talk 03:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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