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Filevine

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Promotional article for a non-notable private company. The sources are limited to: the organization's own website and press releases; sponsored content; trivial mentions; or WP:ORGTRIV like capital raises. Nothing else found in a WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - due to lack of independent coverage. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grok (web framework)

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Lacks WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS. Sources provided are primary or blog sites and I was unable to find any other reliable sources. Not to be confused with the other Grok by Twitter/X. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I was instrumental to the creation of Grok the web framework so I'm not an unbiased source; in this day and age I would not feel comfortable editing a wikipedia page about it anymore. We're talking about a web framework that had minor but global attention but has had little attention for a long time.

There is actually a published book about Grok:

https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/grok-10-web-development-9781847197498

https://www.amazon.com/Grok-1-0-Development-Carlos-Guardia/dp/1847197485

At some point Grok technology was part of the Plone project:

https://4.docs.plone.org/appendices/five-grok/background/what-is-grok-and-five-grok.html

It's not a surprise most of the stuff you could find is in blog sites; this was a web framework conceived during the heyday of blogging and a lot of the primary evidence it had some significance and users in multiple countries is through blog entries. So in the rest I will attempt to show that there was a little global community that used Grok and talked about it. I'm from the Netherlands myself, gave conference talks at least in Germany as far as I can recall.

The author of the Grok book, Carlos de la Guardia, is from Mexico.

Here's a company in Lithuania that still has a page up offering Grok consulting services:

http://www.nous.lt/consulting.html

Here's a conference talk recording (with terrible audio) about Grok at a Pycon conference in the US:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF77e2TeeQo

Here's a talk held in Argentina about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVbFujCBHjg

Here's a random youtube video mentioning Grok:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h17HFEwhz80

A US developer at Georgia tech:

And here are some blog entries:

https://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2007/my-november-grok-presentation/

A US developer reports on a developer in Brazil (now the author of "Fluent Python") using it:

https://www.nateaune.com/kirbi-a-peer-to-peer-library-built-with-grok/

Here's someone blogging in French about it:

https://www.boureliou.com/2009/grok-1-0-released/

Here's a presentation in Japanese that mentions Grok:

http://plone.jp/event-report/opendocs/osw2009-zope

Here's the website of a company in Germany who talk about a Grok meetup:

https://www.acsr.de/archive/der-grok-neanderthal-sprint-im-rheinland/

So it was notable enough to have a small global community of people who used it and talked about t, but it was also a relatively small community. Martijn Faassen (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also found this paper which discusses Grok:

"Leveraging Convention over Configuration for

Static Analysis in Dynamic Languages"

https://dave.coffee/assets/GreHack-2012-Leveraging_Convention_over_Configuration_for_Static_Analysis_in_Dynamic_Languages.pdf Martijn Faassen (talk) 19:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did a google book search and there are actually quite a few books that mention Grok:

Professional Plone 4 Development by Martin Aspeli, 2011

Pro Python System Administration by Rytis Sileika, 2014

Python for Unix and Linux System Administration by Noah Gift, ‎Jeremy M. Jones, 2008

Plone 3 Products Development Cookbook by Juan Pablo Giménez, 2010

Foundations of Python Network Programming by John Goerzen, ‎Tim Bower, ‎Brandon Rhodes, 2011

Mastering Python Design Patterns by Sakis Kasampalis, 2015

Python: Master the Art of Design Patterns by Dusty Phillips, ‎Chetan Giridhar, ‎Sakis Kasampalis, 2016

Enterprise Android: Programming Android Database Applications for the Enterprise

By Zigurd Mednieks, G. Blake Meike, Laird Dornin, Zane Pan, 2013

Even an article on Dutch history by J.W.J. Burgers – Rik Hoekstra The registers of the counts of Holland, 1316–1345: a digital edition in G. Vogeler (Hrsg.): Digitale Diplomatik

/ Buchrezensionen mentions Grok in a technology credit.

Oh, and Fluent Python by Luciano Ramalho, a very popular book about Python, mentions Grok:

Fluent Python: Clear, Concise, and Effective Programming - Page xxiii Martijn Faassen (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some papers that discuss Grok in some detail:

Worth, David, and Justin Collins. "Leveraging Convention over Configuration for Static Analysis in Dynamic Languages." G 2 reHack 012: 27.

Cerjak, Jure. Razvoj spletnih aplikacij s platformo Zope. Diss. Univerza v Ljubljani, 2010.

Lederer, Dominique. "zur Erlangung des akademischen Grades” Master of Science in Engineering”/” Diplomingenieur (FH)”."

Foglia Ardila, Andrés Felipe. "Comparación del desarrollo de un aplicativo web entre los lenguajes de programación Python y Java." (2014).

There are plenty of other papers that mention Grok as a Python web framework in a more throwaway way, but that still establishes some level of notability. A good way to filter papers for this specific Grok is to look for "grok zope" or "grok python" (the former works better than the latter). Martijn Faassen (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can only find links about Elon's version of Grok. I'm not sure what's given for sourcing is enough. Oaktree b (talk) 19:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Inc.

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Brand-new startup, spun off from Rivian Automotive just two days ago. All coverage is just about Rivian announcing the spinoff. No sign it meets WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Better off as a section in Rivian Automotive for now. Junbeesh (talk) 11:05, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I agree with Junbeesh. Thus far the information available that I can find is simply an announcement of a spin off. For now, sources read like coverage of an event with little detailed information about Also, Inc which makes sense given there is little info beyond its focus on electric "micromobility". A (sub)section under Rivian would be enough for now.

Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree, no WP:SIGCOV so fails WP:GNG. ScrabbleTiles (talk) 12:07, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a wealth of significant and reliable information available. A simple Google search will reveal that. Cinaroot (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it cannot be a section of Rivian because its entirely a new company. It has its own website, mission and planned product launches Cinaroot (talk) 15:16, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – The company does not yet have enough news coverage. References are all announcements, press releases, etc.Mysecretgarden (talk) 08:16, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – unnotable and promotional. . . Mean as custard (talk) 14:05, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Open Data-Link Interface

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Fails WP:NSOFT. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:50, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – ODI is historically notable as part of the Netware and Mac ecosystems. --Zac67 (talk) 07:09, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please indicate how this passes WP:NSOFT, citing which criteria and reference(s) that support your assertion. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The binding guideline is WP:GNG. WP:NSOFT is not a guideline:

"This is a WikiProject advice page on notability. It contains the advice and/or opinions of one or more WikiProjects on how notability may be interpreted within their area of interest."
"An advice page has the status of an essay and is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community."

A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 16:47, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- an important and widely written-about standard. Multiple refs are available using the Google Books and Google Scholar links at the top of this AfD. I've added several refs to the article. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 16:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll also note that the pre-AfD “Further Reading” section also supplies references establishing notability.It contains 6 books along with the relevant page numbers. A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 18:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ispmanager

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I've declined a speedy deletion request on this—there isn't enough similarity with the page deleted in 2011 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ISPmanager (2nd nomination) for G4 to apply—but the same arguments still apply; I'm not seeing anything to indicate any particular significance. Web server software is most definitely not my area, so I'm perfectly willing to be convinced that this is in fact notable, but as it stands I'm seeing nothing to indicate that anything has changed in the last 14 years. ‑ Iridescent 17:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your thoughtful feedback on the article! I understand your concerns regarding the lack of perceived significance or changes over the past 14 years. However, I'd like to stress that the subject in question—one of the popular web hosting control panels—has seen significant global expansion in recent years, particularly within the last two years. This growth alone suggests an ongoing relevance and importance within its industry.

The company just recently participated in CloudFest in March 2025 https://www.ispmanager.com/news/ispmanager-is-a-partner-and-participant-of-cloudfest-2025 and partnered with one of the biggest hosting provider in Turkey in January 2025 https://sh.com.tr/isp-manager-lisans

Additionally, a lack of familiarity with web server software is mentioned in the text of the deletion request, so it's important to note that many experts and users within the community recognize its value and impact. The article aims to reflect these developments and provide a comprehensive overview of the subject's role and influence.

If you have any specific feedback on any particular parts of the article that should be updated or corrected to make it more significant in your opinion, let me know. Once again, we aim to provide the most comprehensive overview of the subject and willing to specify any misunderstanding or clarify all the things as long as they are concrete and specific.

Thanks! Flantru (talk) 12:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This reads like LLM generated nonsense and none of it is relevant to Wikipedia's definition of notability. My "concrete and specific" advice is to find and cite independent, reliable sources about the subject. Toadspike [Talk] 17:44, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete: ispmanager is reasonably notable in the field, though it's definitely among the "fringe" software that you hear exists but never try. I personally support deletion based on the lack of sources beyond listicles or primaries, but 1 or 2 reliable sources establishing actual notability beyond my personal feelings about it would be enough for me to change vote to keep. I did not find such sources, maybe someone else can. ^{themoon@talk:~$} 10:44, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per top-5 independent rating. The weak comes from a lack of truly usable sourcing. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:42, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given previous discussion, soft deletion not possible, but discussion leaning in that direction. Without more analysis demonstrating reliable sourcing, an assertion of popularity is hard to give much weight to. Further discussion on sourcing (or its absence) would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Goldsztajn (talk) 03:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Most sources are primary and the ones that aren't don't indicate notability. It reads like it was either LLM or promotional content. It doesn't seem like there's enough coverage to keep. ^Wiinter_U 04:56, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Half of the refs are self-published by their own company. (refs #1, #3, #4, #6–11, #13) and some WP:RS concerns for ref #15 on the article. Ref #6 does not explicitly cite the sentence either. Primary sources is also an issue because nine references are from Ispmanager or affiliates from theirs. Editz2341231 (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Omnissa

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not notable software (WP Product) Insillaciv (talk) 11:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Omnissa is the new name for what was a whole EUC division of VMware. There are wiki pages for the two main products of VMware Horizon (which should now be called Omnissa Horizon) and AirWatch (which should be called 'Omnissa Workspace ONE') MrTAP (talk) 11:37, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As currently configured, no notability has been established. The two references are press releases by the Omnissa and its new owner, KKR. They are not independent of the subject of the article and therefore shouldn't even be used as references. If this products lasts and gets independent coverage in reliable sources, it could merit an article, but not yet. Ira Leviton (talk)

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I will add additional references, but had only just started. Please note that both product wiki articles have existed for many years - they had just referred to the new company name but only linked to the old company name. MrTAP (talk) 12:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP I have added references to two news articles on 'The Register' and 'TechTarget' regarding Omnissa being spun out of VMware. MrTAP (talk) 15:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete added sources are not reliable enough. However, if someone add new ones I may change my mind. Still think some sources may exist. Old-AgedKid (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with VMware#Acquisition by Broadcom: Not quite enough coverage for a standalone article - I'm specifically concerned about the reliability of the TechTarget source, which is an opinion piece. Merging to its former parent company seems like the most natural solution. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 20:46, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GrabUp - Talk 13:16, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment could be considered for deletion due to a lack of significant independent sources that establish its notability and its reliance on promotional content without context. However, it represents a newly formed company in the software and virtualization industry, which may gain relevance as it develops and potentially receives wider recognition in the future.--Xrimonciam (talk) 08:38, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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