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DJ Rony

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Not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. I could find no significant coverage in Arabic or English RS, just a few identical press releases for his planned recording with Mohamed Ramadan, and routine coverage of the concert he did in Dubai. The rest is social media. Arabic media tend to use "DJ Rony", but editors searching for coverage that I missed should please note that there's an unrelated Lebanese DJ called "DJ Rony Seikaly". A previous attempt by another editor was moved to Draft:DJ Rony, the day before this version was created, at Dj Ron'y for some reason. Wikishovel (talk) 07:03, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Iraq. Wikishovel (talk) 07:03, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dhiyaa al-den Saad

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Non-notable person. Other versions already deleted on arwiki (previously deleted 7 times) and deleted igwiki. Upon further search, we find that the three books mentioned in the references are not documented and may not even exist. I could not find any documentation for them other than these "unreliable sources" mentioned in the article. And regarding the article references:

(1 + 11): not working. Returning to the web archive, we find that 1 (published in syrianwa on 23 January 2024 regarding a book named Riḥlat fī aʻmāq al-māḍī) and 11 (Also published in syrianwa on 16 January 2024 regarding a book named al-Siyāsah wa-al-mujtamaʻ). News about two of his books was published on the same website in less than a week, and now the news has been deleted!
(2): not working. Returning to the web archive, we find that the news about a book named Riḥlat fī aʻmāq al-māḍī, published on 2 August 2023, on a website that has no connection whatsoever to books, the book's subject matter, or the author. Now the news has been deleted!
(3 + 12) the news about a book named Riḥlat fī aʻmāq al-māḍī. The entire text is copied from all other links about the same book in all the sources mentioned in this article.
(4) Strange news: "The author has finished writing a book," and this book "will be published soon!" since 19 October 2024
(5=9 + 7) Websites for self-publishing; that is, the person of this article writes for them.
(6 + 8) Articles written by the person of this article. The ref.8 is a large essay written by the author about himself and his achievements.

You can see that all the news is copied from each other, all the sites above are unreliable, and also the images and data are repeated between the articles. --Alaa :)..! 17:26, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Maybe this account is a single-purpose account? --Alaa :)..! 08:07, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Authors. --Alaa :)..! 17:26, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:36, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Urnamman

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This is an odd one, and I'll happily withdraw it if other editors think I've got it wrong, particularly if anyone can find sources to improve the article. I came to this article about a mythological figure via Felt, where other editors have raised issues with the history section. As well as giving a longer and referenced history of felt-making, the Felt article says in passing that there is a Sumerian legend that it was invented by Urnamman. This is sourced to a book called Bronze Age Military Equipment from Pen and Sword Books, which is not an academic press; the book seems unlikely to have more than a passing mention of Urnamman. Trying to find better sources, I looked at the article on Urnamman, which has the same book as its only citation. There is another book given, Sumeri ja sen henkinen perintö eritoten Vanhassa testamentissa by Armas Salonen.

I've searched online and found four or five craft-related books which, in passing, relate the Urnamman legend about felt. None of these look like reliable sources for Sumerian mythology. I've looked in Jstor and in about fifteen of the academic publisher databases available through the Wikipedia Library, and cannot find any results for Urnamman. The book by Salonen is searchable at the Hathi Trust, and there are no results for Urnamman. His name is not in the 2001 Routledge book Who's Who in Non-Classical Mythology.

The article says Some of his exploits are detailed in a cuneiform slab discovered in Nippur, so I searched for anything on that, but couldn't find him in that context. I've looked at various journal articles on textiles in the Ancient Near East too, and not finding Urnamman. I wondered if we have the wrong spelling of the name, so searched for legends about Sumerian textiles, but didn't get anywhere with that either. So on the basis of lack of significant coverage in reliable sources, I'm putting this up for a deletion discussion. Tacyarg (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Mythology, and Iraq. Tacyarg (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The claim is repeated in Lovrenčević, Dora (2023). Povijesni pregled razvoja tiskovnih podloga (Historical overview of the development of printing substrates) (in Croation). University of Zagreb.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link) She also goes into European legends and claims in the snippet view I could access.4meter4 (talk) 17:32, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked at the full text of this source; thanks for finding it, 4meter4. It's in Croatian, which I don't speak, so have relied on machine translation. It is an undergraduate thesis (that is in English at the start, so there shouldn't be language confusion there), so it is not an RS. The part about Urnamman says: Zbog toga što seže duboko u povijest, mnoge kulture imaju vlastitu legendu o podrijetlu izrade filca. Tako sumerska legenda govori o tome da je tajnu izrade otkrio Urnamman iz Lagaša, a neke legende poput jedne europske spominju i apostola Jakova, prema legendi on je na svojim evanđeoskim putovanjima stavljao komadiće vune u svoje sandale, zbog znoja i pritiska vuna se zbijala. According to Google Translate, this is Because it goes back so far in history, many cultures have their own legends about the origins of felt making. Thus, the Sumerian legend says that the secret of making was discovered by Urnamman of Lagash, and some legends, such as a European one, mention the apostle James. According to legend, on his evangelical journeys, he put pieces of wool in his sandals, and the wool became compact due to sweat and pressure. That text is not footnoted or sourced in the thesis. The sentence immediately before about the age of felt is footnoted to the Holik Herbert Handbook of Paper and Board; this book is online at Academia.edu. It has the brief statement Felting techniques go back into prehistory, but does not mention Urnamman, Sumeria or any other specific places, people or legends.

So the Lovrenčević is a passing mention, it doesn't give a source, and it's an undergraduate thesis - sadly nothing we can use here. Tacyarg (talk) 05:01, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, as OP. Now wondering if he's been mixed up with Ur-Nammu, who wasn't a mythological figure but did have some associations with Lagash, which is where our article says Urnamman was from.

I've been able to look at Sumer and the Sumerians, by Harriet Crawford, which is an RS about the Sumerians, through the WP library. She mentions felt in a chapter on manufacturing, but not the legend. The book does not mention Urnamman. Tacyarg (talk) 15:14, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as this article fails WP:V. I also found the claim here, seemingly citing this book "World Textiles: A Concise History". When I checked that book, I found no mention of "Urnamman" or "Urn Amman". It appears that Wikipedia is the original source for this claim in an example of WP:CITOGENESIS. I found no results for the search term on Hathitrust overall, none on Archive.org, none besides the recent circular sources on Google Books or Google Scholar, no sources on Google search from before 2006 (when the Wikipedia article was created), etc. Katzrockso (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The felt claim was added in 2022, though, so if the book Bronze Age Military Equipment (2011) includes the same information, the book predates the article on that point. Tacyarg (talk) 22:51, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was added to Felt on 20 May 2006, and this article was created 3 days later. [1]. Katzrockso (talk) 05:20, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 06:36, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked and the book doesn't contain the phrase "felt", "Urnamman" or "Urn Amman". It contains a discussion of the cities Lagash and Umma:

The best recorded feud during this time was between the cities of Umma and Lagash, which were only about 25 miles apart. Hamblin notes that the greatest distance of any campaign was between Kish and Elam, no more than 160 miles. Each city fought to give its ruler the title Lugal Kish (‘Headman of Kish’). He was the first among his peers rather than being an absolute ruler. The title carried religious as well as military significance.

And mentions the kings of each city. There are 2 mentions of "Sumerian", one of "hero", and none contain even remotely relevant content. Katzrockso (talk) 06:39, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a possible hoax. Zalaraz (talk) 07:20, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq proposed deletions WP:PROD

Matthew Nakkar (via WP:PROD on 20 September 2025)
Mar Sargis Yousip (via WP:PROD on 20 September 2025)
Mar Iskhaq Yosip (via WP:PROD on 20 September 2025)