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Djsky

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This article does not indicate how the subject is notable per WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NMUSIC. I'm unable to find significant coverage of him in reliable sources, either English or Arabic. ... discospinster _talk 21:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Max & Intro

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Fails WP:NBAND. scope_creep^Talk 18:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jongseob

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Failed WP:GNG, WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER with no significant coverage for individual notability other than passing mentions from P1Harmony-related reporting. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:12, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to P1Harmony. Not independently notable from his group. ✗plicit 23:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nocturnal Depression

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Page only has 6 sources, most of which seem to be unreliable and fail WP:RS, also the article contains almost no content besides just stating a deformity that the frontman has, which I dont see has to do with the band. Googling their name brings up nothing except just the usual stuff for an obscure band, such as their entries on sites like Metal Archives or Sputnikmusic and LastFM. Seems to be a total fail of WP:BAND Lil Happy Lil Sad ^:): 04:52, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:MUSICBIO requires non-trivial secondary coverage in multiple sources. This criteria is fulfilled by 3 WP:RSMUSIC critical review articles: metal.de, Rock Hard, Metal Injection. ResonantDis_tortion 18:33, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per sources above. More have been added as well. The number of sources is not a valid rationale for deletion either, neither is the present length of the article, as we have the ability to expand it you do realize. Seacactus 13 (talk) 04:03, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Psychonaut 4

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Fails WP:BAND, was unable to find any form of significant for inclusion. They also seem to have been nominated and deleted previously, and judging from the nomination that time, there doesnt seem to much of an improvement this time around. No charting album, not on a notable label, no inclusion in any big publication. In fact most of their 'press' seems to just come from underground metal online tabloids like Metal Injection and MetalSucks, like many others of this bands size. Searching their name just brings up the usual for underground metal acts such as LastFM or Sputnikmusic mostly. Lil Happy Lil Sad ^:): 05:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability. The majority of the coverage on them has been published since the first deletion as well. Seacactus 13 (talk) 04:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment so you edited the page since the delete nomination with this edit with the summary "Maybe actually look past page 1 of Google search results". What am I missing here? Obscure webzines/blogs in Italian and Danish? That's the big comeback with verifiable sources? User-created blogs and webzines are generally not reliable sources. You claim "There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability", which is fine when it comes to small metal bands due to their appearances on verifiable publications like Revolver or Kerrang etc. yet I still dont see any noteworthy sources like those. All that's mostly used on the article are metal webzines, which anyone can create and maintain - and are generally disallowed per wp:USERG — Lil Happy Lil Sad ^:): 06:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Steadman (band)

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Unsourced article, non-notable subject. BEFORE shows no RS available; all the info's coming from unreliable sources eg [1] StartGrammarTime (talk) 08:59, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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N Remove Md Mobashir Hossain (talk) 09:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Mostly lean towards weak deletion if can find just a little bit more sources, maybe this is a keep. I found: [2] and [3]. LastJabberwocky (talk) 09:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:MUSICBIO per multiple WP:RSMUSIC secondary coverage including Billboard:[4][5], CMJ:[6], Chicago Tribune:[7], and staff reviews+bio on Allmusic:[8][9][10]. Also a feature in the Boston Globe:[11]. ResonantDis_tortion 19:22, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nils Wogram

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Effectively unsourced BLP (no inline citations) but neither source is INDY in any case. BEFORE found no sources meeting WP:42. No assertion of meeting NMUSICBIO. StartGrammarTime (talk) 08:38, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@StartGrammarTime, thoughts on whether the dewiki version contains SIGCOV? Jay Cubby 01:31, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JayCubby, thanks for asking. Die Zeit and Die Welt are currently in the en-WP version, both interviews. Issuu has been written by Wogram himself (assuming the machine translation is accurate; it's all in first-person). The first Laages source is pretty short but arguably usable, although I'd want to see something more substantial to back it up; the second looks pretty good and in my opinion would be a good source to establish notability. JazzThing is unfortunately only a single paragraph. In total I see only one RS on de-Wiki, plus one maybe.

I can whip this up into a source assessment table if that makes it easier, but my tl;dr is that I don't see SIGCOV by our standards. StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:08, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I added 2 bylined English language reviews of works by this person, both of which are complimentary, e.g. "one of Germany's most imaginative and inventive musicians" (Lindsay). He has no biographical article on Grove, but is mentioned in the context of works with several other musicians. AllyD (talk) 07:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Derek Johnson (conspiracy theorist)

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Coverage is simple fact-check sources and routine coverage. No lasting notability that I can find Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 13:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Searching is tough due to his common name, but a targeted search in conjunction with some of his theories reveals that he is only present in his own online manifestos and occasionally mentioned by similarly-inclined kooks. I suggest that he formulate a new theory on how he does not qualify for a Wikipedia article because the lamestream media conspired to never report on his theories because they can't handle the truth. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jello Biafra and the Guantanamo School of Medicine

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Article seems like it is better suited to be a paragraph under Jello's article. It was started in 2009 by someone whose only two edits were this article, and the talk page has a note from someone with a COI adding content. The tone needs revision and there haven't been many reliable source references added during the life of the article. Submitting for discussion by other editors. LovelyLillith (talk) 05:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but merge all the work with the band: There are three pages for this band's albums/EPs and each has 2+ reviews that can be expanded on the band's page. I think it's already enough to keep it. LastJabberwocky (talk) 06:12, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I agree with the last voter, as the band has relatively little coverage in feature articles but their albums are getting a lot of professional reviews from which some more band history can be gleaned. The band's article is currently dependent on some unreliable sources but those can be removed via the standard editing process. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:14, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brothers (band)

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I couldn't verify the "international #1" claim. If such a claim is false, this page clearly fails WP:BAND. ThaesOfereode (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Chart history. Coverage of single. Coverage of album. Geschichte (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For instance, the third hit in the single search is about Brothers acquiring a gold record. Geschichte (talk) 07:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- Per WP:BAND if you have Top 100 song in any country chart then you qualify.Darkm777 (talk) 01:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nhật Lâm

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This person may very well be notable, but the current article is both heavily promotional and a WP:BLP violation, as a BLP sourced solely to unreliable sources (Youtube and social media), with references that don't support the biographical information in the article. Delete on WP:BLP and WP:TNT grounds. ~ A412 ^talk! 17:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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MJ Hibbett

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Seems like a nice chap, but not notable.

The external sources are two 20-year-old listicles that mention him in passing alongside a number of acts that don’t have their own pages, the rest are his own website/tweets/self-produced content.

No clear evidence of charting songs/awards/other significant recognition.

His most popular songs & videos never cracked 100,000 views on YouTube, with the majority below 1,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchantiophyta (talk • contribs) 02:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nuccio Rinaldis

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Current sourcing is comprised of two brief mentions of this working audio engineer. Definitely accomplished, but searches did not turn up enough in-depth references from independent, reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Opposed to deletion: Studio audio engineers like Nuccio Rinaldis, fulcrums of the discography in Italy with their constant work in pursuit of "vocal and instrumental sound perfection" (from the first to the last note down to mixing) in front of recording desks alongside proven successful artists with millions of records sold and million-dollar turns of business, have no media sponsors to pull from to retrieve sources. But this is not a culturally significant reason to propose deletion of the entry. The works done, widely historicized, are the equivalent of reliable sources. --CoolJazz5 (talk) 12:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today's date added bibliography. --CoolJazz5 (talk) 10:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bahnus

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Failed WP:GNG, WP:COMPOSER, and WP:BANDMEMBER with no significant coverage from WP:BEFORE other than passing mentions — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:47, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I wonder if something here could be rescued by rewriting this into an article about the music group or the scandal itself? This Korean source, cited in the article, states that "the plagiarism suspicions surrounding singer Lee Hyo-ri's album, which had been causing a stir in the music industry for a month, have been partially confirmed to be true, causing a huge backlash. The expression 'the greatest plagiarism fraud case' is also appearing." This suggests that there are other sources out there - and also, that the article focus should be on the scandal, not the individual (who seems not very notable - we don't even have their birth date or pretty much anything about their life outside this scandal). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:53, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sewerslvt

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Previously deleted as failing WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Info (band)

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Fails WP:NBAND, promotional, no reliable sources to support. Closest thing I could find directly about the band was a merch site [12]. GoldRomean (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Well, I edited it a couple hours ago, and conjured only these three sources ([13], [14], [15]) by typing "Colombia" and "INFO" and "metal". Couldn't find anything on their albums. Potentially leaning towards weak keep, but we need ~1 source. LastJabberwocky (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Laugs

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This article fails notabillity guidelines for musicians, and also violates WP:NOTMEMORIAL. It does not cite any sources and is very short. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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support agree with reasoning Czarking0 (talk) 17:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I find it hard to believe he's not notable... Indexed in SIX national libraries, the VIAF. Gnewspapers brings up many hits, Gbooks has hits on his name from the 1930s to the present. The VIAF link has two biographical links in German. Oaktree b (talk) 23:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Album review here [16] Oaktree b (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the German wikipedia article has some book references that look reliable here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:02, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think it is very likely that he is notable, but it is not going to be easy to find reviews of his concert performances or recordings (although Oaktree b has already found one on jstor). Some do come up on a Google Books search, eg Fanfare (14/1-2:263) and The Gramophone (52/613-618:536), but they have only snippet views, so can't be used as sources. Finding hard copies from that era would probably need access to a very large library. Apart from reviews, Discogs shows multiple albums released by the Musical Heritage Society and by a German label called Da Camera Magna. I realise that Discogs is not reliable, but it gives album names and label numbers which can be searched for elsewhere - and does suggest that he meets WP:MUSICBIO#5. I have added some sources to the article, and removed the unsourced tag. I'll see what else I can find. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Polansky

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This article fails WP:GNG with flying colors. First, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. If you remove the relationship this person has with Lady Gaga, then you would be hard pressed to find anything written about them. The subject may be accomplished, but there are absolutely no independent, reliable sources speaking on the subject in a way that isn’t mere mention. How can the CEO of a company have their own article before the company they are the CEO of is even notable enough for its own article? Marry Lady Gaga? Doesn’t meet the notability requirement. Brickto (talk) 08:03, 24 April 2025 (UTC)— Brickto (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of 9t5 (talk · contribs). GreenLipstickLesbian 💌🦋 07:11, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete his business ventures get vastly overshadowed by a relationship with Gaga and (to a lesser extent) the songs they wrote together. Little to none of the publicity this guy gets is focused on individual merits, and the more I think about this, the harder it becomes to find any credible sources on him that don't largely revolve around her and their relationship. Even pieces where Polansky is a central topic devote more attention to that part of him than anything else. Having a romance or even marriage to a famous person doesn't automatically entitle someone to a page, so I'm inclined to think we have a failure of WP:BIO here. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:19, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GNG and CREATIVE. Seems obvious to me the subject has been profiled in multiple reliable sources. Sources like this are specifically focused on him and his accomplishments. He has co-written a dozen or so songs that have charted and no one is suggesting he is only notable because of his relationship with Lady Gaga. This biography should be expanded, not deleted. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete - At least for now, I agree with the nominator. Note that every single one of the 16 sources currently used in the article have Lady Gaga's name in their titles, but only a few have Polansky's name. The same is true of the Billboard article found by the last voter. Beyond that article, I can find nothing else about his business ventures or songwriting that is not dependent on his connection with Lady Gaga. WP:NOTINHERITED is the obvious guideline here, unless he emerges as the topic of additional dedicated news coverage in the future. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:52, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just because an article title includes "Lady Gaga" doesn't mean the reporting is not focused on the subject. Of course writers are going to sneak "Lady Gaga" into the title in an attempt to increase readership. There are many Wikipedia biographies for songwriters who have (co)/authored many songs that have charted. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:22, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...and then they talk about her more than him. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:17, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another Believer: Lady Gaga is also the primary subject of these titles as well.. “Who is Lady Gaga's fiancé?”, “Inside Lady Gaga's love story” —— these are articles about Lady Gaga. The subject of the nominated article doesn’t become notable by being in a relationship with someone who is notable. It may seem that way due to the fact that Lady Gaga is arguably one of the most notable figures of the 21st century thus far, but it isn’t. Polansky simply is not notable enough for his own article, and it is WP:TOOSOON. Brickto (talk) 05:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)— Brickto (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of 9t5 (talk · contribs). GreenLipstickLesbian 💌🦋 06:24, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep , more than enough available sources to further expand the article --Sricsi (talk) 16:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sricsi; Could you list these sources? The subject is not notable independent of his relationship with Lady Gaga. There are plenty of sources about the subject that cover him and his role in his company? I can’t find any. WP:TOOSOON Brickto (talk) 05:46, 25 April 2025 (UTC)— Brickto (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of 9t5 (talk · contribs). GreenLipstickLesbian 💌🦋 06:24, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep: It looks good to me, and I don't fancy wasting time with a sockpuppet's nomination. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:16, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above keepers. And anyone who proposes using a blade of grass is notable per se. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fly Boy Gang

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Fails WP:GNG. Poorly sourced articles whose only source are from websites that arent reliable. TzarN64 (talk) 15:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete as per WP:A7. DBrown SPS (talk) 18:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Deletion is indefensible under Wikipedia policy. Fly Boy Gang meets notability and sourcing requirements by a landslide, satisfying WP:GNG; WP:SIGCOV; WP:RS; WP:INDEP; WP:BAND; WP:NORG:

Annenberg School for Communication (academic) (source): "Neighborhood GD splinter group known as Fly Boy Gang (FBG) or St. Lawrence (STL) Boys—the former refers to their rap music group, the latter to STL Street, which runs directly through the Woodlawn neighborhood."

Peer-reviewed research confirming origin, structure, and cultural context.

Deadline (national entertainment) (source): "Chicago’s Fly Boy Gang [FBG], also called the Clout Boyz or 'Tooka Gang.' It features fellow rappers Lil Jay, Wooski, Billionaire Black, Young Mello, FBG Dutchie and the late FBG Duck, who was killed in 2020."

Major industry outlet providing in-depth coverage of membership and significance.

XXL (music press) (source): "FBG Duck started his hip-hop crew, Fly Boy Gang, when he was 17."

Authoritative confirmation of the founding year (2010) from a leading hip-hop magazine.

Chicago Sun-Times (local newspaper) (source): "'FBG' is an acronym for 'Fly Boy Gang,' a group known for its high-profile feuds with Chief Keef and Edai and its release of a number of songs dissing the rival rappers."

Chicago’s largest newspaper detailing the group’s activities and feuds.

ABC7 Chicago (broadcast) (source): Coverage of FBG Duck’s death explicitly naming Fly Boy Gang and situating it within the drill music scene.

Mainstream local TV news, widely regarded as reliable.

Block Club Chicago (independent local) (source): "Fly Boy Gang, a Chicago drill rap group formed on the South Side that included FBG Cash, FBG Duck, and other rappers."

Non-profit news outlet providing significant, focused coverage.

These independent, high-quality sources demonstrate sustained, substantial coverage (WP:SIGCOV) of Fly Boy Gang’s formation, membership, cultural impact, and controversies. There is no credible basis under WP:GNG or any other deletion guideline to remove this article. Momentoftrue (talk) 21:16, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can we get some comments on the newly found sources?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 19:54, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and my comment is that the sources are WP:PASSING mentions. It's evident from the quotes alone, and I also checked the links. The sources are therefore immaterial to claims of notability. Geschichte (talk) 20:50, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, these are not substantive mentions. Delete. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 22:03, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to FBG Duck. Geschichte is correct about the new sources. FBG itself is mentioned in passing in articles about FBG Duck or the death of FBG Cash. Patton et al. mention, but don't really analyze, FBG in the context of a case study of Twitter communications. The one source that maybe brings us closer to WP:GNG would be the HipHopCanada article already in the article, although I'm not so sure about the site's reliability. hinnk (talk) 02:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete maybe merge some details to FBG Duck or to Gangster Disciples. Source by source response to Momentoftrue:

1. Annenberg: The quoted sentence in their reply is the only mention of Fly Boy Gang in the 19 pages. It is not significant coverage about FBG as an organization. (very interesting read, thank you for finding it)

2. Deadline: Once again the short sentence in their reply is the only content, it is not significant coverage of FBG as an organization.

3. Xxlmag: A nice interview with FBG Duck (definitely use it in his article), but its a primary source. And it is a non significant mention so it fails 2 out of 3 for giving notability.

4. Sun-Times: In-depth coverage of FBG Duck but barely a passing mention of FBG.

5. ABC7: This is not in depth coverage of Fly Boy Gang.

6. Block Club: Zero coverage of FBG as an organization.

I don't even think the the HipHopCanada article talks about the organization of FBG in any actual depth. Moritoriko (talk) 06:13, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zexzy

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Subject does not meet GNG or NMUSIC. Princess of Ara 13:43, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - there are several articles that establish notability such as 1, 2. I also added 3 new ones 3, 4, 5.Darkm777 (talk) 02:25, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not appear to have significant, reliable, and independent secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Source 1, amassing 7 million streams doesn't qualify towards NMUSIC. Source 2 is an interview. Source 3 is an interview and music video of the subject. Source 4 talks again about streams. Source 5 is again an interview. Source 6 does not appear like a credible source and references his IG account, talking about a traffic jam the subject caused in Kenya with his outfit. Source 7 talks about streams. Source 8 talks about streams on Youtube. Source 9 is the same as Source 8. Source 10 is not a credible source and talks about the same thing as Source 8 & 9. Source 11 is the same issue as Source 10. It's WP:TOOSOON for this article I believe. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 22:51, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Baby Kia

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all the sources are unreliable or don't have significant coverage Genius is not reliable, sister dominic is not reliable, AllMusic is barely reliable , complex don't have significant coverage of the artist, Billboard don't have significant coverage of the artist, Rap-Up don't have significant coverage of the artist, XXL MAG don't have significant coverage of the artist. Momentoftrue (talk) 17:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Steve Currie

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Fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG in that his notability is related primarily to membership in T Rex. References cited mention him only in passing and primarily in that connection. Should be a redirect to the band article, and lacks sufficient notability to warrant a standalone article. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 12:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect Per nom the sources in the article only cover currie in regards to his membership in the band or when its about his connection to Marc Bolan Scooby453w (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to T. Rex (band). This article may have been created because other non-Bolan members of T. Rex also have their own articles, but the others have more activities of note outside the band. Currie was a longtime member during the band's most massive success, but I must agree with the nominator and previous voter on how he has little outside of the band with which to build an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:51, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Untrue to say that the sources are mere mentions in passing - although all four are from Bolan/T.Rex books, they nonetheless substantially record Currie's background and career prior to joining the band. They are not quick one liners by any means. They are adequate (if similar in content to each other) and there are other examples like them e.g. The Official Marc Bolan Story by George Tremlett. (Futura 1975) or Marc Bolan:The Legendary Years by John & Shan Bramley (Gryphon 1997) Romomusicfan (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source one is one sentence about currie having died due to tragic circumstances source 2 is a book about marc bolan and while it says it also covers the bios of other members currie isnt listed as one of them source 3 is nother book about bolan where currie has a minor mention in it (and isnt even listed in the synopsis while other members are) to sum it all about he quite literally is not mentioned in any source that's not about the band or bolan Scooby453w (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And sources 4&5? Or the above proposed 6&7?

Granted Sources 2-5 (potentially 2-7 if Tremlett and Bramleys are added on) are all from texts about T.Rex or Bolan but they nonetheless are each of them a substantial passage (from a paragraph to a half page) detailing Currie's background and pre-Bolan career.Romomusicfan (talk) 20:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i might change my vote but Ill admit im still on the fence a little though Scooby453w (talk) 18:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shannon Durig

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Doesn't seem to have enough sources with SIGCOV. I found this with sparse coverage, this with moderate coverage, and this. LastJabberwocky (talk) 09:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, there is a ton of coverage in the Kansas City Star, see [17], [18], [19]. I think that's one element of an ideal three to establish GNG. Will see if I can find dig up more. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Daily News also published a two page spread upon her 1,000th performance. I'm still probably at a Weak delete, but maybe someone else will find a bit more coverage. Maybve there is a world where this could be redirected to the musical's article, but her name isn't really there in any substantial way right now. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:37, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Identified coverage meets WP:N policy requirements - significant coverage in multiple (two) reliable sources. ~Kvng (talk) 00:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The NYDN is an interview, so we really only have one independent, reliable source so far, imv. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 06:30, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Bedridden

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This was flagged since 2007, although the citations template was removed without improvement [20]. There is only one source on the page and that is just a reference to playing a song on a radio show. Searches show almost nothing. I found a reference to a saying attributed to them (wrongly), and some primary sourcing but I cannot find any independent reliable secondary sourced coverage of this non notable band. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The band has this good coverage and this article mentions a Rock 'n' Roll City: Adelaide Babylon, which promises to elaborate on The Bedridden, but I don't have access to the book to confirm. It feels like a weak delete, but it still needs another good sources to keep the article. LastJabberwocky (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fantom (rapper)

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I have blocked the author as a probable UPE, but this page falls just short of G11, in my view. Nonetheless, I'm unable to find evidence that its subject meets GNG or any other applicable threshold. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:30, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: From a quick cursory search (in French though), I think with [21], [22], [23], [24], etc, WP:MUSICBIO #1 is met, I am still looking. I first thought his burning incident was a WP:BLP1E, but I don't think so again. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:06, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The first two sources in Le Nouvelliste are album/song reviews (comment above), those help. Mention here in the Miami Herald [25], should have enough to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:21, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grant Michaels (songwriter)

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Promotional tone, failed verifications, more citations needed... in the end, may not meet the notability standards. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 18:06, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep

Hi. Please note that Grant Michaels is listed as a writer on the Banners' song "Someone To You" on its entry, which chartered to no. 11 on Billboard's Adult Top 40 and Hot Rock & Alternative Songs charts and is credited in the Wikipedia entry for the song. He is also credited as a writer on Sia's "Dressed in Black" on her 1,000 Forms of Fear which charted to no. 1 the US Billboard 200. He is credited on the credits list in the entry. Among his other credits, he is again listed on the songs for Descendants 2 (Soundtrack). My understanding is that he meets the requirements of notability as a musical artist. I've also attempted to address the issue of promotional tone when it was returned to draft with a rewrite, but am open any help regarding addressing that issue.

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Alan Cherry

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:SIGCOV. Of the four sources, three aren't even about Alan Cherry, just mention his name in passing. The fourth is a very sparse IMDB page. Jbt89 (talk) 06:33, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Pizza on Pineapple ^{(Let's eat🍕)} 19:30, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am looking for sources and also for possible merge or redirect targets. There are several articles on African-Americans and the Mormon church - Black Mormons has a list of notable Black Mormons which includes several people whose articles are currently at AfD, so including them in that or another article in some way may be a useful ATD. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:55, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as the nominator's comments relate to the notes section instead of the references section where there is direct coverage about him here, and here. There is also this lengthy piece here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per above comment. The subject might not be too notable but it is not insignificant either. Needs additional references and editing. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 21:48, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have found and added many sources, including some in books published by the University of Illinois Press. I would say that he meets WP:GNG, or at least WP:BASIC. His work at Brigham Young University's African-American Oral History Project, recording over 200 interviews with African-American converts to Mormonism, is covered in newspaper articles and book chapters, as is the fact that he joined the LDS in the 1960s, when not many African-Americans had. I have also edited the article, removing the non-encyclopaedic content. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have indeed improved the article. Great work! fellow editor RebeccaGreen! HilssaMansen19 (talk) 01:14, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marvin Perkins

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:SIGCOV. Cites one source which is not WP:INDEPENDENT of Marvin Perkins and not a WP:RS. The seven external links are similarly neither reliable nor independent coverage. Jbt89 (talk) 06:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I am looking for sources and also for possible merge or redirect targets. There are several articles on African-Americans and the Mormon church - Black Mormons has a list of notable Black Mormons which includes several people whose articles are currently at AfD, so including them in that or another article in some way may be a useful ATD. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dylan Cramer

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Article was created by the subject's son in 2006 (edit: looks like Cramer edited his article a few times under Dylanrcramer12 (talk · contribs) and Dylanrcramer (talk · contribs)) and has survived for nineteen years with a single source – the subject's own website. I found two news articles on Dylan Cramer (one, two), but they do not mention any major works or accomplishments. The book Journeys to the Bandstand has a chapter on him and his father, but is unlikely to mention anything that would make him notable (or there would be other news sources reporting on it). Cramer appears to be a local Vancouver musician who does not satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. Iiii I I I (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ Keep as subject does not appear to meet any of the 12 criteria for WP:MUSICBIO. I searched newspapers.com as well and found many notices about upcoming performances and the like (mainly in Vancouver area) but I don't see any sigcov to support WP:BASIC either. Zzz plant (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is a close call because the musician has gained respect from other musicians, and that generated some basic coverage among afficionados, but unfortunately I must agree with the in-depth conclusions by the nominator and previous voter. There simply isn't enough with which to build an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:47, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as well as the book chapter and news pieces highlighted by the nominator I found two staff-written album reviews at AllMusic here and here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to the above, I found reviews for All Night Long at JazzTimes, All About Jazz, de:Rondo (Musikmagazin) [26] [27] [28] and in an index for Jazz Improv (magazine) [29]. I only searched for that one album. The fact that reviews are found across continents negates the "local musician" claim. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He meets WP:NMUSIC with the reviews found by the previous two editors, plus the chapter, plus there are long articles about Cramer and his first album (The First One, DSM, 1998, later re-released as Remembering Sonny Criss) in the French language newspaper Le Devoir (from the opposite side of Canada), one of which says "Il faut connaître Dylan Cramer. ... Cet album, il faut en goûter chaque note. Car Dylan Cramer a ceci qui est trės rare: chaque note mérite le doigté le plus fin qui soit." (You have to know Dylan Cramer. ...With this album, you have to savor every note. Because Dylan Cramer has something that is very rare: every note merits the finest fingering possible.) Plus, WP:MUSICBIO#5 says "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels" - he has released 3 albums on Nagel-Heyer Records. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Some articles about this person doing tributes to other people [30], but nohting about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 23:53, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is another review, from Jazzwise [31] Geschichte (talk) 07:28, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have added the reviews that I and other editors have found to the article. The article text needs editing - I'll try to do that tomorrow. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:15, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I've updated my vote to keep above. I was initially hesitant bc many of the reviews are quite thin (~250 words) and I couldn't verify that all of the jazz sites qualify as reliable sources, but the combo of 1) Le Devoir piece 2) three albums on a notable record label makes this a pass of WP:NMUSIC in my view. Zzz plant (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There are enough reviews and analysis of his work to keep the article (e.g. [32], [33], [34]). —LastJabberwocky (talk) 10:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with RebeccaGreen. He has been an unknown star in recent times but with several notable works and their reviews are also available. He was also known to have a great influence and passes WP:SINGER. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 12:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. This does not preclude a merger discussion, which in turn does not require an additional relist. Star Mississippi 02:17, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trish Doan

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~~I am the creator of this page. I have felt kinda guilty about this for a while because I think I did a terrible job at it. My reasons for deletion are as follows:~~

1. Most of the article is based on an web source from the Headbanging Moose, which I realise now is unverifiable/not an interview. In one recent search I found it was citing text from a Tumblr interview (alas that too was inaccessible). Either way; bad source, which makes up most of the article. Also, Hergirlrock and trishdoan.com are primary sources

2. Most of the reliable source coverage about Trish concerns her departure from the band in 2008, or her death in 2017. I feel both of these can be explained just as well in the Kittie band article or in other related articles (i.e. the documentary stuff)

3. When I made this page, I thought I was doing so primarily because I though Trish was an underrated bassist on Funeral for Yesterday and I wanted them to be known for other stuff outside of their struggles. In hindsight and in other words, I was trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. I am kinda more accepting of the fact that shit things do happen to people. I recognise the feelings I had at the time (aka when this was made; 2023) reflected my life situation which I didn't think I had a way out of at the time, and as such my edits were kinda projections of that mentality. I'm in a better place now (in part thanks to Funeral for Yesterday, actually) but I still feel as though I failed. If I made things worse, I am sorry.

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Redirect to Kittie. Thanks to the nominator for being honest. Per Wikipedia's rules for the notability of band members, evidence is needed that Trish Doan accomplished additional notable things outside of Kittie, but that just didn't happen. Info on her early bands and day jobs are fan trivia but don't pass the notability test. On the other hand, her achievements within Kittie, and sadly her death and how it affected the band, are Kittie-specific and can be adequately described at their article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I lean more towards Redirect then: the point about how it affected the band is very much described on Fire (Kittie album) and Doan has mentions in two other album articles (FFY and I've Failed You) anyway. // Chchcheckit (talk) 14:19, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Keep well sourced article. If the page cannot be kept, it should be redirected to Kittie. --Jax 0677 (talk) 09:49, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The history of the article should be kept in tact, so the page should not be deleted. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:01, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
understood Chchcheckit (talk) 20:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – I don't think deletion is an appropriate decision given the nominator's rationale, and I don't think merging the article is better than the status quo of keeping the article as it is because the rationale doesn't make sense. Paraphrasing but "I think this section can be covered in another article so we should get rid of the whole article" isn't convincing and doesn't make a clear connection to deletion policy. The sourcing seems mostly fine to me because most aren't unreliable and of course a niche musician is going to be covered mostly by outlets in their niche. Having reporting after certain events isn't a disqualifying factor at all either; I'm not sure what is meant by that. Yue🌙 06:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean in the sense that most of the text used to make the body of the article is based on unreliable sourcing so it's like Chchcheckit (talk) 14:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Merge with Kittie: In solidarity with the page creator, Chchcheckit. There are three sections individualizing Trish Doan from her band. "Early life" is based on two sources and both seem to be dubious (hergirlrock.com. and THE HEADBANGING MOOSE), especially as primary sources for this section. "Return to Kittie and Kittie.." is based on self-published source (robmccallumfilms.com) and has a nice but brief sentences on her depression. "Death" is the best section, but it would be sad article if 90% of it is about the subject's death. Most of the information backed up by reliable sources can be merged with Kittie. LastJabberwocky (talk) 10:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - "It would be sad article if 90% of it is about the subject's death" is NOT a good reason to delete the page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 05:46, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  which is not the point Chchcheckit (talk) 11:55, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  If a significant article can be written about the death, the page can still remain. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:50, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Then it is settled Chchcheckit (talk) 21:57, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because it would be better to fix a problem rather than delete and run away from it. I realise I am being a fucking coward. // Chchcheckit (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Macan Band

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Notability of the band is disputed as not enough significant coverage provided (yet). Norlk (talk) 13:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Consensus shows a lack of sufficient sourcing Star Mississippi 02:19, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A Course of Action

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There is no evidence of notability. In my WP:BEFORE search, I couldn't find any significant coverage in reliable sources. Many of the sources are press releases, profile listings, social media posts and unreliable blogs. Doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC.

Also nominating the band's album and single articles for the same reasons:

Dark Before the Dawn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Treason (A Course of Action album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Rocklahoma (EP) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Never There (A Course of Action song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Beautiful (A Course of Action song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Who We Are (A Course of Action song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
107 (song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Frost 13:18, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This band while not achieving large mainstream success was very active for over 16 years with multiple albums, EP's, and singles. Also, this band participated in numerous large music festivals allover the United States that toured in support of various different mainstream acts. To delete such articles, especially of a group who was active for nearly two decades would be a great disservice. After all, is Wikipedia not an open-sourced community open for individuals to share their knowledge of something that others are not familiar with? I mean no disrespect to the individual who nominated this article for deletion, but I spent well over a week researching this artist to verify all these facts and sources to confirm all the information is factual. The lack of sources from major outlets is due to the fact the band has been inactive for nearly a decade and many sources are long gone and were not saved to the internet archive. But as stated I spent over a week combing through old videos and interviews from the band directly to confirm all the details were true and correct without positive or negative bias. I'm just a fan of music with a goal of preserving the history of artists and bands who left their mark on the industry, and though A Course of Action didn't make a historic mark like The Beatles or Michael Jackson, nearly two decades of activity and releases would be a tragedy to just forget about and label as non-noteworthy. Bruteforce7700 (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has a different definition of notability for an article to be accepted - it largely falls on whether multiple reliable, independent, and significant sources exist or not. There doesn't seem to be any that discuss the band or its singles and albums significantly, and none of the sources in the articles contribute to notability:
A Course of Action: 24-7pressrelease.com, acourseofaction.com, airplaydirect.com, amazon.com, broadjam.com, cdbaby.com, crypticrock.com, discogs.com, facebook.com, youtube.com, myspace.com, spotify.com, iheart.com, hickoryrecord.com, mtsmanagementgroup.com, museboat.com, music2deal.com, muzicnotez.com, prweb.com, reverbnation.com, rockrevoltmagazine.com, sellaband.com, songs-that-should-be-mainstream.blogspot.com, sonicbids.com, sromag.wordpress.com, teenviewmusic.com, thehybridband.com, wsfairgrounds.com, backstagelosangeles.net, last.fm, musify.club, prlog.org, rockunderground.tv

Dark Before the Dawn: bandcamp.com, acourseofaction.com, cdbaby.com, crypticrock.com, museboat.com, apple.com, spotify.com, prostudiolive.net, 24-7pressrelease.com, amazon.com, backstagelosangeles.net, broadjam.com, discogs.com, last.fm, prlog.org, prweb.com, reverbnation.com, rockrevoltmagazine.com, shazam.com

Treason (A Course of Action album): acourseofaction.com, echo-asylum.com, reverbnation.com, rockrevoltmagazine.com, crypticrock.com, hickoryrecord.com, music.apple.com, musictalkers.com, myglobalmind.com, open.spotify.com, buffalochip.com, discogs.com, last.fm, prlog.org, prweb.com, setlist.fm, sonicbids.com, unratedmetal.com, youtube.com

Rocklahoma (EP): music.apple.com, musictalkers.com, open.spotify.com, switchbitchnoise.com, web.archive.org, reverbnation.com, acourseofaction.com, hickoryrecord.com, discogs.com, last.fm, prweb.com, sonicbids.com, unratedmetal.com

Never There (A Course of Action song): acourseofaction.com, reverbnation.com, rockrevoltmagazine.com, museboat.com, music.apple.com, open.spotify.com, songs-that-should-be-mainstream.blogspot.com, amazon.com, broadjam.com, discogs.com, last.fm, prweb.com

Beautiful (A Course of Action song): musictalkers.com, myglobalmind.com, spotify.com, switchbitchnoise.com, reverbnation.com, acourseofaction.com, unratedmetal.com, 24-7pressrelease.com, buffalochip.com, discogs.com, last.fm, prlog.org, prweb.com, sonicbids.com

Who We Are (A Course of Action song): acourseofaction.com, echo-asylum.com, reverbnation.com, rockrevoltmagazine.com, broadjam.com, spotify.com, 24-7pressrelease.com, discogs.com, last.fm, prweb.com, sonicbids.com, unratedmetal.com, youtube.com

107 (song): open.spotify.com, web.archive.org, discogs.com, last.fm, prlog.org, prweb.com, reverbnation.com, sonicbids.com

AllMusic [35][36][37], is reliable but is not significant, as it contains nothing more than a credit listing.
Frost 06:43, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Nominated and deleted once before in an AfD ten years ago. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Course Of Action. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, why is this even a discussion? KmartEmployeeTor (talk) 03:14, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I really don't want to delete the page took so much work to assemble, while most of the pages marked for deletion barely have anything. BUT as pointed out there is only one good source AllMusic. There are a couple of interviews but they don't contribute to notability, because they are generated by the subject of an interview. The article can be transferred to https://rock.fandom.com or something similar. LastJabberwocky (talk) 06:24, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cassidy (musician)

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No apparent notability outside of the band Antigone Rising. The majority of the page is unsourced solo work. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There are bunch of independent sources on her with SIGCOV, but not all of them may be reliable. This, this, and this for SIGCOV. And these ones for individual claims: [38] and [39]. Only searched Google news. LastJabberwocky (talk) 13:39, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Week keep while this article has enough sources to meet WP:BASIC, it's in desparate need of a re-write to remove promotional language and non-cited/non-verifiable content. Nnev66 (talk) 18:22, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, this subject does not seem notable on her own, but maybe as part of Antigone Rising as an AtD. like so. I can't see any reliably sourced information here, but if there is it can be merged. Jdcooper (talk) 15:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There are reliable sources with WP:SIGCOV in this article: The Seattle Times (2005) and New Jersey Herald (2017). There are other RS's that have only a paragraph or few sentences that I believe also contribute to notability. I acknowledge it's a close call but there is reliably sourced information in the article. Nnev66 (talk) 18:36, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The Seattle Times article is about Antigone Rising again, and the NJ Herald is a fluffy interview piece about a local musician which includes the text: "Arguably, Cassidy's biggest moment of fame so far came in the early- to mid-2000s when she was doing 250 shows a year with Antigone Rising." I still don't see any sigcov, or indeed notability, outside the band. Jdcooper (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not correct that this person has had "no apparent notability outside of the band Antigone Rising," and there is a reliably-sourced information here. Specific concerns should be listed and the opportunity for added citations and/or editing should be allowed. Whiplashmash (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Blutonium Boy

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Blutonium is German DJ. The article was nominated for deletion in 2008 and kept based on this source, which seems notable but doesn't have WP:SIGCOV. The other sources I found are: [40], [41], [42]. This self-published book mentions him in a list of hardstyle djs. German Music Archive doesn't give anything. It feels notable but notable sources couldn't be found. LastJabberwocky (talk) 15:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This album review, available via TWL, calls the subject a "biggie in the genre". One of his remixes got a positive review in Muzik. Appears to have an extensive discography as seen here. Tending to agree with the nominator, the subject "feels notable" but this still needs better sourcing to meet MUSICBIO. ResonantDis_tortion 18:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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weak Delete: Possibly WP:TOOSOON? 🌊PacificDepths^talk|contrib 22:50, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"He started playing as a DJ in 1988" - if 2025 is too soon, there is no hope Geschichte (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Saks

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a writer and musician, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for writers or musicians. As always, writers and musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to pass certain defined notability criteria verified by WP:GNG-worthy coverage about them and their work in reliable sources independent of themselves -- for example, you don't make a writer notable enough for Wikipedia by referencing his books to themselves as circular metaverification of their own existence, you make a writer notable enough for Wikipedia by referencing his books to third-party media coverage about them, such as professional book reviews and/or evidence that they've won or been nominated for major literary awards.
But this essentially just states that his work exists, without documenting anything that would meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:AUTHOR criteria, and it's referenced almost entirely to primary sourcing that isn't support for notability, such as his own podcast and the books metaverifying themselves. The only secondary source cited here at all is a (deadlinked but recoverable) Tiny Desk Concert, which just briefly namechecks his participation in the surrounding text without saying anything substantive about him, and thus isn't sufficient to get him over GNG all by itself.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass GNG on better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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*Moderate Keep: It already has bare minimum of sources + this source from Jewish Telegraphic Agency. I seen worse cases where there's nothing to be done, and the deletion is reserved for these cases. LastJabberwocky (talk) 12:46, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's referenced entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability, except for a single glancing namecheck of his existence in a media source that is not about him in any substantive or notability-building sense. What bare minimum of GNG-worthy sourcing does that add up to? Bearcat (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with the nomination. He hasn’t yet achieved enough coverage or notoriety to merit keeping the article. Go4thProsper (talk) 20:12, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to DeLeon (band): Changing my vote. Saks has coverage, but mostly in connecting with his bands. His podcast "has been recognized as a 2020 Webby Honoree and listed among Apple Podcasts' top shows in children's music education", but the article references a self-published source, and I couldn't find anything solid. Redirect to Deleon, because it seems more beefy with info, and The LeeVees potentially lack notability. LastJabberwocky (talk) 05:32, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect The subject moderately passes WP:V somehow but not having significant coverage is the problem. There are some sources available about his work including [43], and [44]. They do not establish enough notability on their own as the they are about subject's new work only. Thus, a redirect is the better suggestion WP:ATD. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 13:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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