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This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Dance. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.

Adding a new AfD discussion
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  1. Edit this page and add {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
  2. You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|Dance|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.
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You can also add and remove other discussions (prod, CfD, TfD etc.) related to Dance. For the other XfD's, the process is the same as AfD (except {{Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName}} is used for MFD and {{transclude xfd}} for the rest). For PRODs, adding a link with {{prodded}} will suffice.
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For further information see Wikipedia's deletion policy and WP:AfD for general information about Articles for Deletion, including a list of article deletions sorted by day of nomination.


Archived discussions (starting from September 2007) may be found at:
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Monkey (dance)

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Monkey (dance) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The entire article consists of only one reference. And no one had dared to expand it. Vinizex94🌍 01:17, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are now three sources, although two of those may be WP:SPS? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. As it says on WP:SPS, 'Anyone can create a personal web page, self-publish a book, or claim to be an expert. That is why self-published material such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs (as distinguished from newsblogs, above), content farms, podcasts, Internet forum postings, and social media postings are largely not acceptable as sources.'. I'm not an administrator myself. That's why I believe an admin should look into this. Vinizex94🌍 10:39, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But as I've mentioned at the Talk page, as far as the "Dance tutorial" is concerned, the author, Tom L. Nelson, does seem to give a genuine source for that material. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gwen (singer)

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Gwen (singer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER, no indication of notability outside of being in her group. orangesclub 🍊 00:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maloi

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Maloi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER, no evidence of notability outside her group. Page should go back to Maloi (disambiguation). orangesclub 🍊 00:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and Philippines. orangesclub 🍊 00:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Dance. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I think we can consider the discography of Maloi since she's had contribution on the song Kinikilig on Bini which is technically under WP:COMPOSER, there is also a single "Here With You" with Gwen under WP:SINGER and have a Filmography outside Bini which is Dilaw by Filipino singer Maki which is Maloi was a cast on the music video, she also appeared on "RomCom" by Filipino singer Rob Deniel. Also, Maloi have an interview with Vogue Philippines and it is still technically outside Bini. ROY is WAR Talk! 07:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:COMPOSER describes writing a notable piece of work, not being one of five songwriters on a single b-side song that does not have an article itself nor did it reach any charts, let alone make any noticeable mark in later compositions. Also "Here with you" did not fulfil the WP:SINGER requirement of reaching any charts either. The interview with Vogue Philippines is a good start for her but WP:SINGER describes multiple, non-trivial, published works and this is a single interview. It's too early in her career to have an entire article for her. orangesclub 🍊 10:46, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Not really too early, it can be expand the article in the future since the eight girls have some activities outside their group, not always but sometimes have activities have a own appearence like TV Show, Music Video, Magazine that sometimes are not covered here because of unreliable sources per guidelines of BLP. (Same argument to Gwen. There are many similar cases of BLPs are not qualified on WP:BANDMEMBER (like me as a page reviewer) but they are based on the WP:GNG to be more qualified and it can be expandable in the future that's why they don't want to nom in AfD. Also, the supporters know that the 8 separate articles and reading this article (also to Gwen that you nominate to AfD), and they promoting to read the wiki article. This is not Conflict of Interest or being a fan, i'm just neutral here and this is my observation that's why we don't touch this 8 article to nominate in AfD. As you can see in the history, July 24, 2024 to May 2, 2025 have significant improvement on the article.
    Note: The 8 separate articles of girls are not qualified in WP:BANDMEMBER, we have a argument on Jhoanna that they want to AfD because of not qualified, but it obviously passed in WP:GNG.
    So, I don't think it'll succeed to the AfD (per my experience) but i'll leave to the some editors who wants to participate. ROY is WAR Talk! 22:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I can see that the article has been expanded but still not enough to demonstrate her notability outside of being in her group. The point of WP:BANDMEMBER is that if you removed Bini, she has a single writing credit, a single non-charting soundtrack song and two music vidoes, and that wouldn't be enough to justify a non-Bini member having a dedicated article, so why would it be enough for her? orangesclub 🍊 22:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We've some BLPs Filipino girl groups that supposed not to be in the article like Charlotte Secretario, member of filipino girl group Kaia which is obviously tag as {{notability}} same as Katya Santos of Viva Hot Babes, a filipino pop music girl group. The bottom line that they are not basis on WP:BANDMEMBER it also applies on WP:GNG. If we always basis on WP:BANDMEMBER only and not GNG, some separate BLPs girl/boy groups that in this wikipedia will also in AfD, maybe a thousand articles will affected on that basis. Some of them separate are we are really don't care on WP:BANDMEMBER, as long as they are passed on WP:GNG then it is good or it can tag on notability in music instead of afd. ROY is WAR Talk! 03:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We're going in circles here, and I'm really not sure the relevance of these other articles you've shared. WP:BANDMEMBER means that if someone isn't individually meeting WP:GNG, being in a band doesn't cross them over the line. I still don't see how Maloi passes WP:GNG, WP:SINGER or WP:COMPOSER - being a member of a popular girl group isn't listed on any of those guidelines. orangesclub 🍊 04:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Katya Santos is an established actress on her own right. Her Viva Hot Babes stint was more of a side project for her. She gave credence (if you can call it that) to the Viva Hot Babes, not the other way around. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Howard the Duck, D.18th, and AstrooKai: Pinging other users who were involved in this discussion at Talk:Bini (group)#Requested move 29 January 2025.
  • Delete: It doesn't take much for band member notability; just two-three elaborate facts about specifically their solo career (or career with more than one band/group). Like with Joey_Mazzola who has credits outside of Sponge and barely passes for notability. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 05:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Since I am one of the significant contributors to this group, I believe it is in the best interest of fairness that I refrain from participating in these AfDs to avoid perceived bias. I will leave the decision to the community and respect whatever outcome the nominations lead to. AstrooKai (Talk) 06:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Her "notability" is defined solely by being a member of Bini; beyond that, there's really not much else about her. At least each member of, say, the Spice Girls, is notable for other endeavours other than being a part of an all-girl pop group. For one, Victoria Beckham is well known not merely for being David Beckham's wife but also for her contributions to the fashion industry. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I checked here and it says I've contributed to 7.7% of the article. I don't know if that makes me a significant contributor or not. But I do want to say that if you Google her name ("Maloi") and click on the News tab, it shows a looooot of solo articles. Nylon Manila (which is a reliable source, as it's simply the Philippine version of the established magazine Nylon) alone has at least 3 articles that significantly mention Maloi, two of which are dedicated to her alone:
https://nylonmanila.com/pop-culture/bini-maloi-broke-the-internet/
https://nylonmanila.com/beauty/bini-maloi-ricalde-radiating-light-feminine-energy/
I would say that she definitely meets Notability criteria, but this article just needs those sources to be added soon. Maloi made one statement clarifying that she wasn't dating Rico Blanco and multiple articles from multiple reliable sources such as Manila Bulletin were written about THAT singular statement. That, to me, is undeniably a notable figure. Give editors a chance to add more of those sources. Bloomagiliw (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those Nylon articles start with "Maloi Ricalde from BINI" and "BINI’s Maloi". That's all there is to it about this person's notability. I know the Philippines is in a learning crisis right now, but WP:BANDMEMBER is clear and should be undersatood by sixth grader: "Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability." Delete, move Maloi (disambiguation) to Maloi, then have this person as an entry on the dab page. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very professional and impartial remark: "I know the Philippines is in a learning crisis right now".... :)
Those articles mention that she is a member of BINI, just like how many articles about actors mention what else they're known for as well. But those articles are very clearly about MALOI ONLY. For instance, all articles about Jhoanna's stint as Eds in Tabing Ilog: the Musical, the lead role in a major musical that she played in two runs, also mention that she is a member of BINI.
Unless you are equipped to talk about this without insulting other editors and resorting to personal attacks, don't talk about it. "Undersatood," Howard the Duck? Bloomagiliw (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Orangesclub, @Bloomagiliw just added some information that could be passed on WP:GNG, you're just focusing on WP:BANDMEMBER. It's just a baseless argument if you are only focusing on WP:BANDMEBER. And I would like to request a Relist or Restart the voting because the article have added some information that can be changes to the vote or not. My basis here on Talk:Jhoanna#Requested move 31 July 2024. Also, Maloi was in the top 100 female idols, in a nomination on notable award of Top 100 on X (formerly Twitter) which is here and Bini Mikha was the number one.ROY is WAR Talk! 09:09, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloomagiliw:, WP:Competence is required. Until you display this, I have no problem bringing this up. While you have absolutely no right by yourself on restricting other people on discussions, you always bring this to the appropriate drama board (I guess WP:AN/I?)
Again, that the Philippines is an deep learning crisis is on full display here, and that's very sad to see. The articles you had specifically used to demonstrate Malois supposed independent notability outside Bini introduce her as someone from Bini. It's not even "singer Maloi", or even "band member Maloi", but "Maloi Ricalde from BINI" and "BINI’s Maloi". Based on the sources you had specifically used, Her notability stems from Bini. She fails WP:BANDMEMBER.
WP:OSE: Please stop bringing other people not in AFD into arguments. These are not relevant. Those articles are not being discussed here. Be competent and discuss the subject on hand.
Man, are we creating articles for all 100 "top female idols" here at Wikipedia now? How can than be a basis for WP:GNG? Are "top 100 cosplayers", "top 100 high school basketball players", "top 100 Elvis impersonators" should all have articles too? Are those list in the world, in the Philippines or in Metro Manila? I understand you guys are bringing up works outside Bini to demonstrate notability. But really? Appearances in music videos? Top 100 idols? Howard the Duck (talk) 09:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if you are really reading the updated article now because this is ad hominem now. It clearly passed in WP:GNG, I already said my arguments and why is she passed in WP:GNG. ROY is WAR Talk! 10:12, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've displayed competence by singlehandedly writing two articles that were promoted to GA status and helping another get to GA within less than a year of being an editor on Wikipedia. 🙂 How about you? How's that UST article coming along? In the decade plus that you've been an editor, according to your user page, how many articles that you've worked on have retained status higher than B? Do enlighten us.
Apart from resorting to a baseless personal attack and doubling down on it, you have used profanity in another discussion on this article. You are not fit to be a part of this discussion due to your obvious emotional bias. If you can't be calm, don't be here.
Maloi has also been a regular judge on a singing competition and has performed on solo gigs. She's also been recognized as an Internet celebrity by multiple sources — which, per Wikipedia, is a thing. Try to keep up with the times.
Ji-young Yoo is always described as Ji-young Yoo from Freaky Tales, Ji-young Yoo from Expats, and so forth in articles. It does not negate that the articles are solely about Yoo. The linked articles are almost all solely about Maloi. Some effort to wrap your head around how media articles are written rather than insistently invoking the educational crisis would be nice. But if you can't do the bare minimum, I'd really like to ask you to leave this discussion to more level-headed editors. Bloomagiliw (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've been focused to WP:DYKs for quite some time now. WP:GA is also within WP:DYK tho, but I now prefer expanding or creating new articles, then let other people improve on it. Apparently this says I have 48 DYKs, and I have 1 pending now, so I need 1 more for another shiny barnstar if the total there is right (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 19:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The repeated claim that Maloi's notability is "only as a member of BINI" overlooks clear, documented evidence of her solo career. This isn’t opinion — it’s supported by multiple reliable sources like Nylon Manila features, a songwriting credit (WP:COMPOSER) outside BINI, and mainstream media coverage such as Vogue Philippines. These meet the requirements outlined in WP:GNG for individual notability.
Additionally, her filmography includes appearances in music videos outside of BINI’s discography, such as "Dilaw" by Maki and "RomCom" by Rob Deniel, which demonstrate activity independnt of the group. Her interview with Vogue Philippines is another example of coverage focused on her personally, not just the group. I agree that WP:GNG requires significant coverage, not just chart performance, and the available sources show a developing individual profile. This does not dismiss the group association but indicates she’s building her own public presence.
I also want to note that personal attacks don’t contribute constructively to the discussion. This is an objective assessment based on available references and Wikipedia's guidelines.
— AdobongPogi (talk) 00:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As explained (not by me) above, this person does not meet WP:COMPOSER, and we're not creating articles on people who appeared on 2 music videos. Again, the Nylon Manila features introduce her not as "Filipino Singer Maloi" but as "Maloi Ricalde from BINI" and "BINI’s Maloi." Again, people, reading comprehension! Howard the Duck (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is steadily improving thanks to continued contributions, with new sources being added that highlight Maloi's individual visibility. These include her credited roles in music videos beyond group activities, a duet single with another artist, and feature interviews from established publications that focus solely on her experiences and perspectives.
Yes, some features refer to her as "from BINI" — but that's common for emerging artists. What matters is that the coverage exists and centers around her as an individual, not as background to the group. That’s the kind of attention that shows someone is beginning to build their own public identity.
This is not a fan defense it's a fair assessment of the available media coverage and the growing effort to present it neutrally. The article is taking shape with proper references, and deletion at this stage would cut short a productive improvment process. Better to work toward a stronger article than shut down what’s clearly a work in progress. AdobongPogi (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. It's also worth noting that Jennie Kim, for example, has abundant solo notability. She has plenty of solo music and was at Cannes for her solo acting role in The Idol. Despite this, if you look at her Wikipedia entry, most of the references — even newer ones from 2024 to this year — still call her "Blackpink's Jennie" or mention Blackpink.
It doesn't negate the fact that the coverage is about Jennie only. Clearly not. She has more than enough individual notability to justify her solo Wikipedia entry's existence. Blackpink is mentioned because she is associated with the group; media features often mention the individual's associations, especially for emerging artists, like you mentioned. But the coverage is about Jennie individually.
The coverage in Maloi's articles is about Maloi individually. The mentions of the group she's associated with do not negate that. Bloomagiliw (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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