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[edit]- Hassan Jafry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non notable social media influencer. Fails GNG. Thilsebatti (talk) 02:49, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete as per nomination. I didn't even find a single reference. The references mentioned in the article are also rubbish, they do not leads to what the headings are saying. Behappyyar (talk) 15:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Selected Poems of Majeed Amjad, Mustafa Zaidi & Noon Meem Rashid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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LLM-generated, not a lick of secondary coverage anywhere ꧁Zanahary꧂ 06:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG. Facebook and YouTube videos of the translator do not count as reliable secondary sources. When I searched for "Selected Poems of Majeed Amjad, Mustafa Zaidi" using Google, there were less than 10 results, pointing to Facebook, Wikipedia, or an opinion column on dawn.com. That's not good enough. starship.paint (talk / cont) 07:46, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as starship.paint, lack of reliable references. Behappyyar (talk) 09:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- 2023 Lasbela bus crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability, and high-casualty bus crashes are common. Fails WP:EVENT. Per WP:NOPAGE, this is better covered at List of traffic collisions (2000–present) or at Bela Tehsil if it's actually a significant event. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 19:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Tehreek-e-Nizam-e-Mustafa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to support meeting WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 19:15, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep and Move as it was a notable movement to implement Islamic law in specifically Azad Kashmir region (not in Pakistan). So move it to Tehreek-e-Nizam-e-Mustafa Azad Kashmir. Behappyyar (talk) 15:31, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Bahlol Khattak (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Pretty clear COI going on here. The subject is a Supreme Court advocate in Pakistan and the son of a notable poet, but neither of these roles inherently establish notability under Wikipedia's WP:IHN. The draft was previously declined by RangersRus at AfC. It still has no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources to satisfy WP:GNG Junbeesh (talk) 07:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Article was a bit of a mess, with a bunch of references listed under 'external links', which I've moved inline. It is now clearer that zero of the references provide WP:SIGCOV about Bahlol Khattak's life and work, and notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from his father. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment SayyedWaliUllah has twice removed the 'failed verification' maintenance tags from the article, ignoring the warning that I'd left on their user talk page and in the edit summary, but there's no point me edit warring with them given that there's only one way this article is likely to go... Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:11, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: no proof that they are notable. 🄻🄰 15:04, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. For the same reason I declined the AFC. Subject is not yet shown to meet notability guidelines. RangersRus (talk) 18:56, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Washuk bus accident (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability, and high-casualty bus crashes are common. Fails WP:EVENT. Per WP:NOPAGE, this is better covered at List of traffic collisions (2000–present) or a brief mention in Washuk. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 19:08, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Sara Malkani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject doesn't meet WP:BIO. I've searched for sources and although there are references to the subject, these are almost all primary.
Article was previously speedy deleted for potential promotion.
Going for XfD as I expect a ProD would be reversed as the article has been re-created by the author since deletion. sksatsuma 22:31, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- another news article quoting Sara Malkani
- https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistan-trans-activists-appeal-shariah-court-law-civil-rights-rcna85448 Gokodogo (talk) 23:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Are these references like these good and sufficient as secondary sources to resolve the issue? If so, I can add this as references in the article
- Interview of Sara Malkani
- 1. https://www.thenews.com.pk/magazine/you/403390-there-is-a-way-out
- News reports quoting her
- 1. https://tribune.com.pk/story/2347885/call-to-implement-laws-against-domestic-violence Gokodogo (talk) 23:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Gokodogo Feel free to continue to improve the article during the discussion. One of those sources is an interview which isn't fully secondary, and the other one may be considered a passing mention, however it is still worth including them in the article, as several passing mentions can still contribute to determining notability.
- I would recommend reading WP:BIO if you are unsure about the notability requirements of living people. These are some of the more strict article requirements on Wikipedia, so it is worth having a look if you're writing about living people.
- Wikipedia:Teahouse is also a wonderful resource for questions and advice on editing/article writing. sksatsuma 00:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have added more secondary sources in the Professional Activities section Gokodogo (talk) 07:03, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- ProQuest finds a bunch of news articles (31 in fact) citing Malkani, but none seem to have anything actually about her. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 09:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have added more secondary sources in the Professional Activities section Gokodogo (talk) 07:03, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Those pretty much just all mention Malkani with one sentence saying she is a lawyer involved in the case/petition/whatever. To write an article about Sara Malkani, we really need sources that discuss Malkani herself at some length. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 11:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- There are live interviews of Sara Malkani though not in English. These interviews should carry more weight than a passing mention and as commented above by sksatsuma, a number of these can add up to a notable mention?
- 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC43hxmA6pU
- 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emZywgwwsE8
- 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqbOJaqmm1s
- 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAYbVXK1Hl4
- 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WxQznJlGQo
- 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXNk5lrwQg8 Gokodogo (talk) 15:01, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Interviews have limited independent content. We need to have sources that, in their own words (i.e., not the words of the subject) discuss the subject directly and in-detail so that if we take three or four of them we can write an entire article based on what is said by those sources (and not editors' original interpretation of what those sources actually say). Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Those pretty much just all mention Malkani with one sentence saying she is a lawyer involved in the case/petition/whatever. To write an article about Sara Malkani, we really need sources that discuss Malkani herself at some length. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 11:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have added more secondary sources in the Professional Activities section Gokodogo (talk) 07:03, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, right. I did go through a rough BEFORE as well, and do not believe the subject has coverage meeting our basic inclusion criteria or any of the additional criteria. Borderline lacks CCSI to be honest. None of the sources were intellectually independent content talking about the article subject, and the resultant tone might have been partially due to that. The content itself is better this time though, of course, that doesn't really help us find any sources that the article is required to be Wikipedia:Based upon (see also, WP:WHYN). Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dear editors, I have added more secondary sources in the Professional Activities section. Gokodogo (talk) 07:02, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Pakistan Champions Cricket League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence this event passes WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:51, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: not enough WP:SIGCOV on independent reliable sources other than WP:ROUTINE coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 16:31, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Kamboja Rajput (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:POVFORK of Kambojas/Kamboj (trying to connect the latter to the former). Covered by WP:CASTE sanctions. Stunning WP:HOAXing of sources (that is why no links and URLs are given), here is what you find when you go to verify them: Puri makes no mention of Rajput/Kamboja in his entire book; Stein makes no mention of Kamboja in his book; Dirks again makes no mention of Kambojas; the same is the case with Thapar (have the copy); Yadav again makes no mention of Kambojas (also a non-RS); the Witzel source doesn't exist (no such publication by him); Raychaudhuri makes no connection between Kambojas/Rajputs; cannot verify The People of India but the source itself is non-RS (largely covered by WP:RAJ). Considering the formatting of the references and the content itself would not be surprised if LLM was used or if the content was lifted from dubious caste-based websites. Gotitbro (talk) 12:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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Keep – The article Kamboja Rajput clearly satisfies the requirements under WP:CASTE, WP:GNG, and WP:HISTRS. The subject is verifiable and notable through multiple reliable academic sources, including works by B. N. Puri, Romila Thapar, J. N. Singh Yadav, and the Anthropological Survey of India.
This is not original research. The process of Rajputization, by which tribes like Kambojas, Shakas, and Hunas were integrated into Rajput identity, is well-documented by several historians (e.g., Dirks, Burton Stein, Thapar). The article cites reliable secondary sources with correct ISBNs, pages, and academic publishers.
The article:
- Does not violate WP:UNDUE – only properly sourced, relevant claims are included.
- Is written in neutral encyclopedic tone.
- Avoids synthesis and speculative links.
The Kamboja Rajputs are recognized by the Anthropological Survey of India as a distinct group with their own gotras and history. The article has been cleaned and significantly improved, and should be judged based on the current version — not outdated or poor earlier drafts.
Oppose deletion. Support keeping the article.
–– Kambojahistory Kambojahistory (talk) 06:03, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Please avoid using an LLM to post your views here. Your own voice, even if English isn't your native language, carries more weight.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)- Delete - Citing original nominations concerns it looks like the contributor in question used a LLM given the nonexistent source and the sources cited don't support the conclusions drawn. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 19:07, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Seems to be a hoax and should be deleted per WP:HOAX. Ixudi (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
Look, I want to clarify a few things respectfully.
All the points I’ve added about Kambojas are based on real, verifiable sources. The Mahabharata (Bhishma Parva 9.66) literally uses the word Kshatriya-vratya for them. Manusmriti 10.44 lists them as those who lost ritual status—not caste by birth. That’s not a hoax, that’s scripture.
The Kamboja-Pala dynasty in Bengal is recorded in the Irda copper plate inscription. This isn’t some blog post—it’s cited by scholars like Sailendra Nath Sen in Ancient Indian History and Civilization (New Age International). Page number and ISBN available.
I understand you’re saying this was “LLM-written.” I didn’t use AI to make up anything. I used historical frameworks like Rajputization, as described by Nicholas Dirks and Burton Stein. It’s not about making someone Rajput out of nowhere—it’s about showing how many warrior tribes were assimilated over time. That includes Gurjaras, Shakas, Hunas… and yes, Kambojas too.
No one is asking you to agree. But calling it a hoax or fake without checking the actual books or sources feels unfair. If you find a wrong ref, I’m open to fixing it. But don’t dismiss everything outright just because it challenges assumptions.
Let’s stick to facts. I’m not here for caste debates or superiority contests. I’m just documenting what’s verifiable. Kambojahistory (talk) 14:32, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- 2014 Khairpur bus crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability, and high-casualty bus crashes are common. Fails WP:EVENT. Per WP:NOPAGE, this is better covered at List of traffic collisions (2000–present) or an article about this bypass if it's notable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 04:41, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Question - I can't not ask what your rational for saying "high-casualty bus crashes are common" is. Surely you have some reasoning behind what on the surface can seem like an absurd statement? – Ike Lek (talk) 06:18, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Ike Lek "Why Deadly Bus Accidents Are So Common in Developing Countries", an article published by Time magazine last year probably has the answers you're looking for. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 08:47, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep notable event, worldwide coverage and high casualties makes it notable. Bloomberg mentioned it as Pakistan's worst road incident. Behappyyar (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT – Per WP:GNG, "sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability". From what I've been able to find, none of the sources were secondary since none of them contained analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the event itself. The event does not have in-depth nor sustained continued coverage of the event itself with coverage only briefly occurring in the aftermath of the accident. Post-2015, I'm only able to find short passing mentions of the crash (which are not enough to establish notability): [1][1] [2][2] [3][3]. No lasting effects or long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event lacks per the above. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
References
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In November 2014, more than 50 people were killed when a bus collided head-on with the truck near Khairpur district. The bus was carrying passengers from northwestern Swat valley to Karachi.
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Two months ago, at least 50 people died when a bus collided head-on with a goods vehicle near the city of Khairpur, in the north of Sindh province.
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Nov 11, 2014: Fifty-eight people died following a collision between a passenger coach and truck near the Theri Bypass in Khairpur.
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- Shah Latif and his message (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is mentioned in two English sources but not quite enough to be significant. Attempted to search in Sindhi but didn't have much luck. If more coverage does not exist, I would suggest redirecting to author G. M. Syed, but the title is incorrectly capitalized. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:08, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
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Keep a very well known topic Shaahaajaahaan (talk) 12:47, 9 July 2025 (UTC)— Shaahaajaahaan (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Aniruddhchaudhuy (talk · contribs).- @Shaahaajaahaan That isn't a notability guideline, and no, this book isn't. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:56, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect to G. M. Syed: Book did not meet notability guidelines, i will go with the redirect to it's author. Behappyyar (talk) 09:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Tamgha-e-Baqa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Was a contested redirect without improvement (an additional non-in-depth reference from an unreliable source doesn't count as an improvement). Lots of mentions, but I cannot find any in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 16:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
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- This is a military decoration, and there are numerous other decorations as well which have their own separate article. This does not stay in limit of Pakistan but also Indian Armed Forces and US Armed Forces. For example see 50th Independence Anniversary Medal, 75th Independence Anniversary Medal, Paschimi Star, Operation Vijay Star, Siachen Glacier Medal, Sangram Medal, Operation Vijay Medal, Meritorious Unit Award (U.S. Air and Space Forces), Navy Ceremonial Duty Ribbon, Developmental Special Duty Ribbon, Recruiting Service Ribbon, Grover Loening Award and this list continues. For full list you may check some service medals at Awards and decorations of the Indian Armed Forces and Awards and decorations of the United States Armed Forces. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 16:55, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
* Keep. As per User:Lt.gen.zephyr. Sessep (talk) 19:33, 1 July 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE ~SG5536B 14:57, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - note to closer: neither of the two keep arguments are based in policy, rather simply WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.Onel5969 TT me 02:09, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
- If there are other articles like this one with much less references, this should also exist. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 14:37, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- That is not an argument to use in AFD. Geschichte (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- If there are other articles like this one with much less references, this should also exist. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 14:37, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Agree with. There is a lack of substantial coverage, and the article does not justify a standalone entry and should be considered for deletion per WP:GNG.Gepeas (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting. User:Lt.gen.zephyr, are you arguing for a Keep here?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:09, 6 July 2025 (UTC)- Yes, I am. A military award deserves an article, whether they have more references or not. Alot of articles of similar military awards have been existing. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument to keep an article. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I am. A military award deserves an article, whether they have more references or not. Alot of articles of similar military awards have been existing. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Note that the nominator's contested redirect target was Awards and decorations of the Pakistan Armed Forces#Commemorative medals.
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- Reham Rafiq (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn’t meet notability guidelines for actors, it also lacks independent sources with in-depth analysis of her work. Chronos.Zx (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep Reliable news sources like The Express Tribune, Daily Times, Minute Mirror, 24 News etc are added in article which were earlier missing. Judgement can be done on the basis of GNG and dancing career too as besides acting, she is a professional dancer with in-depth coverage about her dance performances in reliable sources (presented in article). Libraa2019 (talk) 17:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep This AfD is a formatting error. The relevant guideline, which the article's topic easily meets, is WP:SINGER , not WP:NACTOR , and just looking at the page shows that WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS is sufficient to comply with WP:GNG . 201.226.200.218 (talk) 00:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong in my AfD formatting, the lead of the article says:
Chronos.Zx (talk) 02:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)Reham Rafiq is a Pakistani actress and dancer. As a dancer, she has appeared in several projects including Romeo Weds Heer and Heer Maan Ja.[1] She has acted in several films and television series including Khel Khel Mein and Guru.[2][3][4] Reham is currently playing a role of Amal in Parwarish.[5][6][7]
- There is nothing wrong in my AfD formatting, the lead of the article says:
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