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1935 USA Indoor Track and Field Championship

Hey, I know this is a big favor to ask, but I was wondering if you may be able to help me find the results for the 60 metre dash at the 1935 USA Indoor Track and Field Championships, known as the National AAU Championships back then, on that magical newspaper website you got. On the page here on wiki, it only shows Ben Johnson's gold medal time, but not for silver or bronze, which I believe Jesse Owens and Eulace Peacock received, but can’t confirm. The best I could find is a newspaper article mentioning Ben Johnson defeating Owens, Peacock and Sam Maniaci in the final, but there’s no mention of who specifically took the silver and bronze (see below link). I’d be really grateful if you can find something, thanks! GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry forgot link, see below:

https://spectatorarchive.library.columbia.edu/?a=d&d=cs19350225-01.1.3&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN------- GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 20:09, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GOAT Bones231012: Track is not my thing, but the finishes can be found here. I'm not readily able to find times mentioned for the others, but the site is sometimes tricky to search. Have you applied for Newspapers.com? Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 01:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Legend, thank you so much! Although probably not enough to add to the 1935 USA Indoor Track and Field Championships page without the actual times, this is at least enough to call Mr. Owens a silver medalist, which in full disclosure is what I was really after as I have been editing his page relentlessly over the past week trying to improve it. And don’t get me wrong I’d love to get a subscription to that website, I’m just too cheap😅 GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 01:50, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GOAT Bones231012: It's free. Go to Wikipedia:Newspapers.com and click on "Access of apply for this resource" near the top. —Bagumba (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) Wikipedia Library requires an account of at least six months age, and GOAT Bones231012's is barely four. Left guide (talk) 02:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lolll @Left guide I was just coming here to say that after I tried submitting an application. Looks like I meet all the other requirements, just need to wait 2 more months to start one. Can’t believe I didn’t know we could get access for free, that is amazing. Such an awesome tool. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect page deletion question

Hey. Carmelo Alas is a redirect page. It originally redirected to Mel Alas, which itself was recently changed to a redirect. So now Carmelo Alas redirects to an article that does not mention that name. Is this eligible for deletion? DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaHuzyBru: "Mel Alas" is listed there though, so one could argue a redirect from his full name is a valid search term. In any event, deletion would need to go through WP:RFD, if you still think there is a case.—Bagumba (talk) 09:14, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Jaylen Brown (disambiguation)

A tag has been placed on Jaylen Brown (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Per WP:ONEOTHER, considering using {{Distinguish}} hatnote instead for similarly-named articles

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ITN recognition for Tommy Vigorito

On 19 May 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tommy Vigorito, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use image concern

So at the Vince Lombardi Trophy article, I'm doubtful that the image File:Rob Gronkowski denting the Lombardi Trophy.jpg meets fair use requirements, particularly WP:NFCC8. May I ask your opinion on this? Left guide (talk) 11:37, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: I wonder if the incident is trivial and WP:NOTDIARY, and deleting it would make the NFCC issue moot. Failing that, it's subjective whether it's essential for critical commentary or not i.e. see who shows up to the discussion. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I was thinking that too. One interesting point about NFCC8 is that the fair use validity is based on how it influences the reader's understanding of the article topic (as opposed to the specific detail it illustrates), which in this case is the Lombardi Trophy in general. In that light, its educational value is pretty dubious. If the incident meets WP:NEVENT for its own article (which seems very unlikely), then I can see the image possibly qualifying as fair use for that article. As for discussion, I'd prefer to bypass that and just PROD it, which is allowed for files on en.wiki. Thanks for the feedback. Left guide (talk) 13:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Eddie Sheldrake

On 21 May 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Eddie Sheldrake, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede 66 05:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Game-winning NBA playoff buzzer beaters

Hey, so I discovered that the topic of game-winning NBA playoff buzzer beaters seems to meet WP:NLIST: [1][2][3][4][5][6]. Accordingly, I've started Draft:List of game-winning buzzer beaters in the NBA playoffs. Wanna help? Left guide (talk) 08:43, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you're on your way. "Shot description" seems both mundane and potentially rife for WP:OR, but maybe that's me. —Bagumba (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the assistance and encouragement. I think the shot descriptions are a key piece of useful info for readers; big difference between a layup and a half-court heave for example. And so far, the "tip-in" and "spinning layup" are directly supported by the Sporting News source. I seem to still have that damn writer's block on fleshing out prose LOL, so that's an area that could use help if you're interested. Left guide (talk) 04:50, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i wasn't saying it was you who would OR haha. The series result (did they win?) might be another worthwhile column. —Bagumba (talk) 04:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I know you meant that generally haha. I also try to forecast what hypothetical drive-by IP editors might do, if possible. Honestly, a series results column might lean too much towards OR, and I'd like to be reasonable about not having too many columns, and furthermore my last edit links the round directly to the round description on the season playoff page which may be sufficient. Another possible option could be to highlight the rows or cells based on whether they won or lost the series, to avoid having too many columns. Left guide (talk) 05:05, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

a series results column might lean too much towards OR: I had already checked, the SN source seems to mention it for each one. —Bagumba (talk) 05:09, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see, good catch, I haven't read every word of every source yet. Left guide (talk) 05:10, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As for reverse chronology, WP:IAR, I'm thinking readers naturally are most interested to know the current and recent ones. Left guide (talk) 05:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Australia

I don't have any plans for this, just food for thought? First, I don't know squat about Australian rules football. I don't know who the sport's Michael Jordan is. I literally can't name one player. So I was looking at Australian_Football_League#Team_of_the_Century and clicked on a random one. John Coleman (Australian footballer).

So Australia has soccer, rugby, and Aussie rules football. Even though the soccer governing body is called Football Australia for some reason. I was doing a little research and it looks like most people in Australia do call it soccer. Harry Kewell, the Australian soccer goat supposedly, does say soccer.

It looks like rugby union and league in Australia are probably just called rugby even tho a few might possibly say football for those too depending on context (lol).

So maybe John Coleman above should just stay as "Australian rules footballer"? Even though I notice his parenthetical says "Australian footballer" like Australian professional footballer? LOL Thoughts? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 05:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have to dig. I know this has come up before. An Australian editor said it was even regional within Australia what was consider "football" (i.e. soccer vs. rugby vs. Aus rules???? don't quote me). —Bagumba (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right, in this case, it's probably best to just leave it as "Australian rules football"? It doesn't seem to be cut-and-dry like football in the US and Canada, so MOS:TIES might not work. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If someone did "Australian professional footballer for Team A of the Australian Football League (AFL)" it would be obvious what sport it was anyway since it says Australian Football League. I think all the other Australian athlete bios are just called soccer and rugby players. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:17, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: Here's some references:

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople) § Disambiguating with (football) for football players, towards the middle, an Australian has their take on rugby vs. Aussie rules vs. soccer
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (football in Australia), not sure to what extent this is a "guideline".
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football/Archive 10 § AFL player lead sentence

I don't edit much around this aside from occasionally with Aussie punters in the NFL. —Bagumba (talk) 06:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That's interesting. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9 Pop quiz. If we wrote an NFL-style lead sentence like "is an Australian rules football ruck", would you know if its a player, exec, official, superfan, etc.? —Bagumba (talk) 07:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now I know ruck is a player because I clicked the link you provided (lol). I've seen some other weird positions listed like that when I rarely venture into other random sports article like cricket, etc. There are usually enough context clues to know it's a player though. If it's not a player, it usually just says coach, manager, etc. Those names are pretty universal. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:41, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked the link for the guy in the caption at ruck (Nic Naitanui) His article says "is a former Australian rules footballer" Hmm. "Australian rules" isn't a nationality so I guess that reads fine. "rules footballer" isn't even a thing either so that's probably fine. "Rules" in the middle really helps break things up. It doesn't suffer from the same problem as "former American football player" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:51, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, NFL bios suffered on the "former American" being an ambiguity and no nationality mention like most bios (MOS:CONTEXTBIO). And there's only going to be more non-Americans as U.S. parents grow more wary of CTE and their kids playing. —Bagumba (talk) 08:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page question

I’m out on this convo any more, but not sure how this is looked upon (making non-substantive edits to keep a thread from being archived by the bot). Juvenile behavior. Rikster2 (talk) 15:54, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One could do Help:Archiving a talk page#Manual archiving. —Bagumba (talk) 17:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Rikster2 (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Result as expected. Rikster2 (talk) 12:51, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Karl-Anthony Towns

Sorry for the quick revert! I undid my reversion. Take care. —tony^{st (talk)} 02:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TonySt: No worries. It happens. Thanks for the line. —Bagumba (talk) 02:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stacey Robinson

Thanks for the heads-up! Didn’t know the quote was an issue. JoseyWales019 (talk) 16:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JoseyWales019: You're welcome. A few sentences would be fine, but best to paraphrase, unless essential. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 16:58, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article class assessment request

Hi again, so for the article 2025 EuroLeague Final Four, I boldly marked it at the talk page as B-Class. Having written most of the prose, I may be too biased to be fully objective, so I thought it might be wise to ask for another opinion. Do you agree with the B-Class assessment? Left guide (talk) 04:28, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: I don't know that much about the Euroleague, and usually don't quibble over others' class ratings that are in the ballpark. Try the project, if you're still interested. Regarding the ITN blurb, is "Final Four Playoff" an oft-used term, and "Playoff" capitalized?[7] Maybe more straightforward as "In basketball, the EuroLeague concludes with Fenerbahçe winning the championship. —Bagumba (talk) 05:08, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow I imagined that you followed EuroLeague more than you now seem to indicate. Feel free to raise it at WP:ERRORS or the relevant WP:ITNC section, or just be bold as an admin LOL. You're probably the most basketball-conversant one, that I'm aware of anyways. One thing is that "Playoffs" could be confused with the preceding rounds (2025 EuroLeague Playoffs). I know that "Final Four" is an important phrase, so "Final Four championship" probably makes the most sense. Left guide (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'll let it be ... aftereffects of those DYK "ERRORS" LOL. —Bagumba (talk) 07:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so interesting trivia, the current version of ITN is all sports LOL. I think there was a time earlier this year when it was all elections haha, not sure how closely you notice those types of things. Left guide (talk) 08:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Block requested for disruption on basketball articles

Hi Bagumba, I previously warned this IP for inserting non-English text into basketball articles, and they are continuing to do it, can you please issue a block? Left guide (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]