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William Connor (gymnast)

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Mass-created LUGSTUB. Fails WP:NSPORT, no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. FOARP (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Martín Urdiroz

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Much of the prose is about his family while the sources are all about his brothers and barely make mention of Martín, who played a handful of games in his lone top-flight season with his brother as his coach. Even contemporary sources all seem to be trivial mentions in game lineups, leaving us with database entries. I understand creating this article from a completionist perspective, but, as per WP:SPORTBASIC, All sports biographies... must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 07:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Aziz Keita

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I can't find any WP:SIGCOV on this player in both English or French. The fact that it's a terrible article doesn't help. Anwegmann (talk) 02:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He was the starting goalkeeper for Guinea during their fourth place AFCON finish in 2016. A BEFORE search is terrible because it just gives you the various statistics pages. Fortunately a Guinea-specific newspaper is much more helpful: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] I am sure there is more out there if you don't focus on simple web search results. SportingFlyer T·C 05:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per sources presented by SportingFlyer. Svartner (talk) 06:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails GNG. Sources provided are just match reports and interviews that do not provide sigcov of him. Dougal18 (talk) 08:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Trudgian

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources are primary and all I could find elsewhere were some mentions at [[9]] and [[10]] Let'srun (talk) 01:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails SPORTCRIT, unable to find anything other than routine coverage. J Mo 101 (talk) 08:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Kadir Nuristani

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only source here is a database and I was unable to find anything elsewhere indicating notability through multiple searches. Let'srun (talk) 00:54, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bakhteyar Gulam Mangal

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Subject does not have the necessary WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT. The only source here is a database and I was unable to find any significant coverage elsewhere. Let'srun (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Rachel Thompson

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Declined prod. The only sources are databases/results which are insufficient for meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sierra Leone at the 1988 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rhonda Vetere

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Non-notable executive and author. Lots of PR pieces but very little secondary, independent coverage of substance. No notable executive roles or critical reception for her publications. Some impressive athletic feats, but they do not confer broader notability. Mooonswimmer 17:32, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Same as my last comment in AfD two years ago it seems... many PR items, interviews, but nothing about this person specifically. [11], [12] for example. She's the "expert" on a subject, but nothing to back up that claim, other than what we're told in the same article. Too PROMO. Also, even less sourcing, with almost nothing new found since the last Afd in 2023 (same sources that were looked at in 2023 are also being repeated here). Oaktree b (talk) 20:14, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I've been doing AfD for a long time now, 2023 doesn't feel that far away. Oaktree b (talk) 20:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Hutchings (American football coach)

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Article does not include any GNG-level sourcing, and a WP:BEFORE search does not reveal any GNG sources. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Some sources: [13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources are compelling — I had been looking for coaching sources and didn't find any sigcov, but it looks like he might be notable as a player from his college career? 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Bulkeley

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This was tagged and listed by 82.4.123.24 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), but unregistered users cannot create nomination pages. They gave an edit summary of Suggest deletion - un-noteworthy., and a talk page comment of Abjectly unnoteworthy article. So what?. My involvement is procedural and I offer no comment beyond two observations: those aren't the most detailed rationales ever in explaining any potential lack of notability, and the current sourcing in the article is thin in a way that probably would have led to a nomination suggesting a failure of SPORTCRIT and/or NOLY before long (the infobox indicates his silver medal was not in his Olympic appearance; again, though, I offer no comment on any potential better sourcing that may or may not exist). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject appears to have WP:SIGCOV in [[21]] and a paragraph at [[22]]. I'd say there is enough here for a WP:GNG pass. Let'srun (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Let's run. Svartner (talk) 02:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kei Taniguchi

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A 17-game carer is some, but not much. It did not make him a well-known Japanese footballer, and there are no sources to sustain a BLP. Geschichte (talk) 07:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Omar Cook (American football)

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Promotion for non notable actor. Best known for his role in the film God of Dreams (2022)? Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Awards are not major. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. His American football career is very minor, his acting career is very minor. In both instances there is nothing to even prove these very minor accomplishments. The article was started, and most of the subsequent edits were made, by the same editor who has exclusively edited on this page also suggesting a potential COI violation too. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 14:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV, either in the article, newspapers.com, or google. Cook was also a coach at one point per [[23]], but that article isn't independent. Let'srun (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emran Barakzai

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Player without any notable spells who only played for Jong Ajax and amateur teams in the Netherlands. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yusuf Barak

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Afghan player who only acted for regional teams in Germany. No WP:SIGCOV found. Svartner (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hervé Elame

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I can't find anything other than quick, passing references in both English and French. There appears to be nothing close to WP:SIGCOV on this player. Anwegmann (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Konstantinos Lolos

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Declined prod. All the sources are databases/results and insufficient for meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT. This source seems dead. His medal is only for a low tier championship and does not meet WP:NATH. LibStar (talk) 03:57, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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User:LibStar, why are the Mediterranean Games a "low tier" championship? It would seem to meet WP:NATH prong 2, "Finished top 3 in any other major senior-level international competition (this includes prestigious small field meets, e.g., Diamond League / IAAF Golden League meets, less-prestigious large-scale meets, e.g., Asian Games, and any Platinum or Gold World Athletics Label Road Races that are not explicitly mentioned above)". --Habst (talk) 12:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Soares (East Timorese footballer)

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Previous WP:PRODed in 2010. Played few matches for Timor-Leste, but fails in lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Din Mohammad Nuristani

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Fails GNG and SIGCOV. Bearing in mind his DoB we don't even know if he's still alive, and if he's not we don't have a date of death. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:09, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Kadir Nuristani

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Fails GNG and SIGCOV. Bearing in mind his DoB we don't even know if he's still alive, and if he's not we don't have a date of death. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 20:31, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:10, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Like the nom, I couldn't find the needed WP:SIGCOV for the WP:SPORTSCRIT to be met here, either in the article (only databases are currently referenced), corresponding wikis, or elsewhere. Let'srun (talk) 20:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Jennings

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Non-notable footballer who appears to fail WP:SPORTCRIT. Unable to find any significant coverage, and the sources in the article are WP:ROUTINE match reports and transfer announcements. J Mo 101 (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandar Mirkov

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According to Soccerway, Mirkov spent his career at lower levels of Serbian football league before playing in Bosnia and Herzegovina for two years. He returned to his homeland to play regional football for OFK Kikinda in 2023, which is far from meeting WP:GNG. The only secondary source I found is a transfer announcement on Kikindski. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:52, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jamshid Fani

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Subject does not have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. The only reference is a database, which does not establish notability. A redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics may be a suitable WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 12:40, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 13:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect He was disqualified in his only Olympic bout and there's no supporting evidence that he meets any WP notability criteria. A redirect to an article where he's already mentioned seems reasonable. Papaursa (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect would be best. Skycloud86 (talk) 10:49, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Amin Nuristani

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only sources here are primary, and a search elsewhere only found a mention at [[24]]. Let'srun (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG and, as with the two similar bios I nominated yesterday, lacks SIGCOV. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 14:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

António Serôdio

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Subject does not have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT. The only source providing non-primary coverage here is [[25]], which only confirms his birth date, and I couldn't find anything better in Portuguese newspapers. Let'srun (talk) 12:18, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Portugal at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Equestrian – Per lack of notability. Svartner (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Thanks to Svarter for suggesting the target link. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:52, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luc Granitur

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 09:13, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Corbin McPherson

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This is a non-notable minor ice hockey player who fails WP:NHOCKEY HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:27, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kyle Hill

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I came across this article whilst looking for the YouTube educator. (who apparently doesn't have an article at this time) Asides from a few external links, there appears to be only one source for this biographical article about a basketball player. I suggest draftification unless users performing WP:BEFORE searches can find sufficient sources to expand and rescue this article. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 22:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn. When I hastily made my nomination, I assumed the article would be held to the same (or similarly high) notability standards as biographical articles for YouTubers like J. J. McCullough, Mr. Beat and Sambucha, and other sportspeople like Armand Biniakounou and Patrick Chiwala. (I don't really care as much about these two, just thought I'd mention them as examples) Nonetheless, I take away the following from this:

Articles on sportspeople are held to some standards, but apparently those standards may not be as high as the standards for articles about influencers. (I might have run with a fallacy here)
If I had wanted to bring other editors' attention to an article, I could've just tagged it as needing "immediate attention", but that can only be done through certain WikiProject banners. In my experience, tagging an article for "immediate attention" on its talk page ironically seems less effective (than an AfD nomination) at drawing a reasonable amount of attention to an article within a reasonable amount of time.

Nonetheless, as an inclusionist, I'd be satisfied to see the article kept. Feel free to close this discussion as speedy keep at any time. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:20, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What an incredibly passive-aggressive withdrawal. Rikster2 (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Furthermore, there's a delete !vote, so it's not able to be withdrawn anyways. SportingFlyer T·C 19:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as a solitary reliable source in a biography of a living person, over the course of 17.8 years, does not an article make, nor begin to meet muster for Wikipedia:Notability. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 23:30, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep This is an incredibly lazy nomination that relies on others to do the work on behalf of the nominator. As Hill was a prominent enough basketball player in Europe, I was able to farm [26] [27] from other languages, [28] is a good article and [29] [30] are other sources. Not all of these are SIGCOV but coverage is easily found, and we don't draftify source-deficient articles if the subject is notable. SportingFlyer T·C 01:23, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Another source. [31] Passes WP:NBASKETBALL. Anyone who is selected in an NBA draft is going to have coverage. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't look like the nominator saw themselves as the person addressed by the text of WP:BEFORE, but that is how we conventionally mean it - you are supposed to do some due diligence before nominating, as opposed to nominating and expecting others to do it. We're all volunteers, and it's fair to expect some investment of time up front given that you expect others to do some investment of time to then double-check that and back you up. Likewise, a lack of {{inline citations}} (and references being merely links) is a cleanup issue, not a reason for deletion. More fundamentally, if the main thing you wanted is an article about the youtuber, just write one at a disambiguated title, like Kyle Hill (YouTuber). --Joy (talk) 08:36, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources by WikiOriginal-9. Rikster2 (talk) 00:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, and WP:NBASKETBALL #1, per the sources provided above by SportingFlyer and WikiOriginal-9. The article could use some improvement, but deletion is not cleanup. Ejgreen77 (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Rhead

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No significant coverage in secondary, reliable sources. Sources currently used are database and self-published. Best source I found was this, but does not qualify as GNG since not from an independent news source Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't quite have enough media coverage, the best is from Nascar.com [32]. I don't see other media covering this person, so just not enough to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Cody Kiemele

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Cannot find strong secondary coverage, minor part-time driver that relies on database sources for most content Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:47, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeff Jennings

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Subject doesn't meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC due to a lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Let'srun (talk) 14:04, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:48, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jovan Trnić

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Serbian men's footballer who spent his entire career at the lower levels. Corresponding article on the Serbian Wikipedia is slightly longer, but even secondary sources are just passing mentions while the last is an interview without independent analysis, if I could read them correctly. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – There is more than 44 sources in sr.wiki article, it's should be checked carefully. Svartner (talk) 06:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Temi Adesodun

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20 Championship appearances [33] before not playing for three years. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Joey Madigan

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Subject doesn't have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 13:22, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Yoyaga Dit Coulibaly

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Subject does not meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only reference currently is a database and I couldn't find anything elsewhere to establish notability here. Let'srun (talk) 23:41, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning ~~Keep~~. Appears to have later been a Member of the Parliament, which would satisfy NPOL. I'll note that the article (as far as I can tell) doesn't explicitly confirm his athletic career, but the name "Coulibaly Yoyaga Dit Fatogoma" in that order is so very unusual – and the area represented by the politician versus the athlete's hometown are not far apart – so it seems they're the same. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:24, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found that article but so far as I can tell they aren't the same person. Let'srun (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything that makes you think they aren't the same person? The name "Coulibaly Yoyaga Dit Fatogoma" is pretty rare, I'd think. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like to make assumptions when determining notability. Let'srun (talk) 03:27, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are not the same name. "dit" (note the lower case) means "called" or "so-called" in this context, and typically when you see this in French what follows it is a kind of ersatz surname/family-name. Other Fatogoma Coulibaly's exist (and were parliamentary deputies) so it is not the case that anyone with this name can be assume to be the same person. It should also be noted that the official 1968 results lists a "Yoyaga, Coulibaly" (see page 521, yes unfortunately you have to wait and click on "skip ad") meanwhile the official list of competitors in Tokyo in 1964 lists the name "Coulibaly, Yoyaga Dit F." (see p. 579 of the pagination here) prompting the natural question of whether these really were the same people - neither lists a "Yoyaga Dit Coulibaly".

And yes, this is another example of what is now Olympedia being a bad source - at the very least "dit" should be lower-case. FOARP (talk) 12:33, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll strike for now, but I don't think different names being listed in various sources results in Olympedia alone being unreliable (nor should an uppercase "D" equal being unreliable). BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The subject of this article clearly isn't really called "Yoyaga Dit Coulibaly", much less "Yoyaga Dit Fatogoma Dit Coulibaly". It is only possible to have one "dit name". Their first-name-last-name is probably just "Yoyaga Coulibaly" (or "Coulibaly Yoyoga", since "Coulibaly" is apparently both a popular first-name for boys and one of the most common surnames in Ivory Coast), but this is not the name in Olympedia, the official report for the 1964 Olympics, or the name in the official report for 1968, all of which seem to have managed to butcher it in different ways.

Personally, I'm just going to put this in to my ever-growing list of Olympedia manifestly having the wrong information. FOARP (talk) 15:14, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FOARP, can you name even one case of Olympedia having incorrect information on an athletics competitor? I've tried very hard to find even one piece of wrong information but haven't been able to find anything in thousands of profiles over years of looking. (To be fair, I haven't spent nearly as much time looking at other sports.) --Habst (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We're literally, right now, discussing a case of them having the wrong name. Just FYI, Olympedia was hosted on Sports-reference.com and is the database linked to in this article. FOARP (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How does Olympedia have the wrong name in this case? --Habst (talk) 16:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This article is a total mess, right down to the name of the subject being unclear. FOARP (talk) 12:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I expanded the article with only athletics achievements. There's enough sourcing here to justify a P&G-based keep !vote even disregarding the political sources which I will respond to separately above. --Habst (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of the references added are IRS SIGCOV as required by WP:NSPORTS. There is no P&G-based keep rationale given here. FOARP (talk) 16:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NBASIC, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". --Habst (talk) 16:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORTS is the governing standard for athletes and is a higher standard, requiring at least one instance of IRS SIGCOV. Additionally, as the second bullet point under WP:NBASIC says, "Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject", and these are all primary sources. Finally, cobbling primary sources together to create an article is a WP:SYNTH and not permitted. FOARP (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How are the Ivorian news sites linked primary sources? News with analysis is generally secondary per WP:NEWSPRIMARY. Considering there is confirmation the athlete and politician are one and the same, NSPORT is met anyways. --Habst (talk) 16:28, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Here's confirmation that the politician and the athlete are the same: "Salimata Coulibaly ... A nourishing sap maintained by her benevolent uncle, MP Yoyaga Coulibaly, known as Fatogoma, who was, in his time, a former athlete and 400-meter sprinter at the 1964 and 1968 Olympic Games". Satisfies WP:NPOL. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:22, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khan Nasrullah Totakhail

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT with no WP:SIGCOV either in the article (only databases are cited) or elsewhere through a WP:BEFORE search. Let'srun (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Rick Goodale

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Coverage of racing career is minimal, limited to database entries & generic entry list sources. Anything moderately decent is from his time as a police officer, of which the only coverage received was losing his job, which does not extend beyond local coverage from what i found Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 23:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Couldn't find any SIGCOV and I don't belive racing in Arca is inherently notable. Esolo5002 (talk) 01:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have found more sources regarding his racing career as well as his occupation before his firing Finn Shipley (talk) 01:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you added are not significant coverage. Esolo5002 (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Seems to be a case of WP:ONEEVENT. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Ledbetter

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Fails WP:NATHLETE. Ledbetter's professional career in European basketball was unremarkable and does not seem to have yielded coverage in German and Luxembourgish news. The currently listed sources are his entry in the Glenville State College Hall of Fame showering affiliated praise, a user comment from the DC Basketball Blog (not even the blog post itself), minor discussion of his single-game performance in The Glenville Mercury student newspaper, and a YouTube interview from the channel Alumni4life, a local varsity jackets retailer. While I found two other instances of Ledbetter's performance reported in the Glenville Mercury, neither instance bothered to mention his season-wide performance, much less broader commentary on him as an athlete/person. Being twice named to the First All-WVIAC Team is impressive, but for a NCAA Division II conference, that achievement seems below WP:NCOLLATH. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 15:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Found some more coverage at [[34]], [[35]], [[36]], and [[37]]. Let'srun (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate the identification of additional sources! I think the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Indiana Gazette coverage when Ledbetter was playing in their respective areas is below the WP:NCOLLATH criterion of gaining "national media attention as an individual". Similarly, the Bedford County Press and Everett Press article is only a local newspaper reporting Saint Francis University's pride at recruiting Ledbetter. The Evening Sun article on Ledbetter's threat to not play at Crossland High School if transferred from Largo High School as part of D.C.'s racial integration is pretty interesting, though that coverage is not significant on him, nor did he follow through on that threat. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 19:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent info! JoseyWales019 (talk) 22:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Grosh

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources in the article are all primary and a search elsewhere didn't come up with anything to support notability here. Let'srun (talk) 14:21, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Most are references profiles. Subject does not enough coverage. Mysecretgarden (talk) 00:27, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emerson Nieto

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of significant coverage. The only references in the article are primary and I couldn't find anything elsewhere to support notability. Let'srun (talk) 14:14, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep subject looks notable based on Indyeleven.com. (talk) 00:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mysecretgarden, Indyeleven.com is his team's website. That is not an independent source. JoelleJay (talk) 01:02, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, didn't notice that. Changing my vote to DELETE. Mysecretgarden (talk) 03:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tolani Ibikunle

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current references are all primary to the clubs and leagues the subject has played for, and while [[38]] has some quotes from the subject the article is more about MLS referees having a racial bias than him. Let'srun (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:18, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Karani

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only sources in the article are primary and all I could find elsewhere were a couple of sentences of coverage at [[39]], which isn't quite enough for notability to be established. While the previous AfD closed as "keep", that was based on WP:NFOOTY, which has since been depreciated. Let'srun (talk) 14:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:18, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete definitely no WP:GNG pass. best, GPL93 (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lian Suharevich

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this teenage athlete. Looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON. JTtheOG (talk) 05:25, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 21:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clear case of TOOSOON. While draftifying could improve the article, it will not make the clock run faster. gidonb (talk) 08:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dodô (footballer, born 1990)

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Fails GNG and SPORTCRIT due to his career never getting off the ground, recording mere minutes of play in his many clubs, and lack of significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 09:21, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – He was runner-up in the J-League with Gamba Osaka, but I didn't find any WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 23:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It lucks enough media coverage to shows its notability; but can be kept if the user provide sufficient relevant sources for it ... 110 and 135 (talk) 18:38, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doda (footballer)

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No usable sources (including ja:wiki) and not really anything resembling a claim to notability to meet either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. No valid redirect target. Geschichte (talk) 09:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I didn't find anything about him even in databases. Svartner (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It lacks sufficient notability and doesn't have enough media coverage. 110 and 135 (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Takuma Nakajima

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Previously deleted. No trace of notability, only 1 match on J League level. Geschichte (talk) 09:17, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:02, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Souliyasak Ketkeolatsami

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Declined prod. All the sources are databases/results and not SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 13:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The coverage would be in Lao, not English. We need to find his Lao name. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Laos at the 1996 Summer Olympics. Unfortunately, I don't know much about Laos-related articles or offline newspapers. Article can be restored if enough significant coverage is found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Laos at the 1996 Summer Olympics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 21:01, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, the required IRS SIGCOV has not been identified. Noting my opposition to any merge of non-Olympics biographical content. JoelleJay (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Laos at the 1996 Summer Olympics : Like others, I'm not finding the needed WP:SIGCOV for a WP:SPORTSBASIC pass. The current sources are all databases and I don't see anything better elsewhere. Concur with JoelleJay regarding any merging of content per WP:UNDUE. Let'srun (talk) 20:40, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Franz Abbé

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Fails WP:NSPORTS due to lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. The only sourcing is Olympedia and SR (which is to say, the same source) both of which do not satisfy WP:NSPORTS.

WP:BEFORE is rendered difficult by the existence of the composer Franz Liszt (known as "Abbé Liszt" due to his monk-like haircut), but nothing found on Google or Internet Archive other than passing mentions.

The DE Wiki article is an object-lesson in why editors should not engage in original research in primary sources: no we are not in the business of piecing together someone's life story based on marriage/death certificates and entries in the address book that could easily be about someone with the same name! The only not-primary sourcing in the DE Wiki article is this passing mention and this passing mention. FOARP (talk) 08:50, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Olympedia gives a decent paragraph, noting among other things that he designed a house that was temporarily the residence of Albert Einstein(!). It seems highly likely there's more to find here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"he designed a house that was temporarily the residence of Albert Einstein(!)" - Beannie, Einstein was a totally unknown student when he lived in a small room in that apartment block. Being the architect of a building that someone who decades later became famous temporarily lived in is not even slightly a plausible claim to notability. FOARP (talk) 08:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I haven't looked extensively for sources and am currently neutral in this discussion, it should be noted that notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Let'srun (talk) 13:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I never said he "inherits" notability from building a house for Einstein, I only said it strongly indicates there's more to find. BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:53, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Such as “X was an architect who designed houses people lived in in Berlin, including some people who were later famous”. Which isn’t a plausible assertion of notability. EDIT: we have WP:ARCHITECT as the standard of notability for architects. Is there any sign at all that Abbé would pass under any of its headings? No, right? FOARP (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anastasiia Veresova

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NGYMNAST. The only "sources" I could find are youtube clips of her. LibStar (talk) 05:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

József Somogyi (footballer, born 1955)

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Was soft-deleted through AfD back in October, after which it was quickly recreated, even though they didn't go through the object process. Same issues still apply as per Demt1298's original nom: "Fails WP:GNG. Searches have failed to show WP:SIGCOV " Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Searches have failed to show WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 23:49, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:10, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandre Berardo

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Fails WP:BIO. A co-driver in electric car regularity rally events doesn't get much notice. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:03, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Fails to show WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Fade258 (talk) 07:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Carry

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The article seems to be AI generated as many others by this user and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Even the primary sources do not support some of the claims in the article. C 679 04:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Ian Carry meets WP:COACH through notable roles including head coach at NCAA Division I level, interim coach of a national team, goalkeeping coach of a national team, and current head coach of the U.S. Men's Beach Soccer National Team.[40][41] He has held multiple verified coaching and technical[42]positions at national and[43]collegiate levels.[44] The article is not AI-generated and is improvable. Wq4m820 (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oscar Gil (soccer, born 1983)

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The article seems to be AI generated as many others by this user and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Even the primary sources do not support some of the claims in the article. C 679 04:07, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I didn't find anything about his spell at Vasco da Gama. And excluding the T&T newspaper source, none of the others seem reliable. If he was that important to futsal/beach soccer in the US there would certainly be more sources. Svartner (talk) 07:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This article was not made with AI.
Moderated BS world Cup Was nominated for Soccer League hall of fame for time with Beach Socer USA national team. According to the Wikipedia page for the 2012 Mundialito de Clubes, a player named “Gil” scored in two separate matches for Vasco da Gama. futsal, a sport with even less media coverage, has documented his national participation as well, as shown in this 2010 report from FutsalPlanet. This supports notability under WP:NATHLETE, which considers athletes who have competed at the highest level of their sport, including international representation. (sourcing for wiki page is needed, research can be done - and found). Wq4m820 (talk) 14:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that none of these sources are independent or provide in-depth coverage of him. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NATHLETE, SIGCOV is not required in the same manner as WP:GNG. That's Policy. Notability is established by participation at the highest level of competition, including international representation. Oscar Gil’s involvement with the U.S. national beach soccer team and participation in major international tournaments clearly meets this criterion. While stronger independent sourcing would be ideal (and can be worked on accordingly), the current evidence satisfies WP:NATHLETE’s standards for retaining the article. Wq4m820 (talk) 00:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The actual language in WP:ATHLETE, which is in bold letters, is The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline. JTtheOG (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wq4m820, please actually read WP:NSPORTS. All subjects must meet GNG, and all biographies of sportspeople are required to cite an IRS SIGCOV source. JoelleJay (talk) 15:44, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Upon rereading WP:NATHLETE in full, I recognize that significant coverage from at least one independent, reliable source is still required. I maintain that Gil’s international participation aligns with the competitive notability standard, but absent a SIGCOV source at this time. If deletion proceeds, I’d support userfication so the article can be improved for a future resubmission. Wq4m820 (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:35, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per "renowned" in the first line. And the lack of an WP:NSPORTS pass. FOARP (talk) 10:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He does have coverage, e.g. this and this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While those do contain coverage, the first is not independent as it is the newspaper plugging the winner of its own award, and both are local coverage of a high schooler, so fail YOUNGATH. I think it's clear that if the only coverage is from his HS career then a standalone is not warranted, so delete. JoelleJay (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's no prohibition on high school coverage from counting towards notability; YOUNGATH only says that it needs to be substantial and independent, though at the moment I agree with you on this subject's notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sajjad Ibraheem

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No evidence of WP:SIGCOV for this young cricketer. More coverage would be needed to meet WP:SPORTBASIC. PROD was contested by linking a deprecated essay. JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The subject meets the inclusion criteria as defined in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Notability#Individuals, which states that any cricketer who has played in a single officially recognized first-class, List A, or T20 match is presumed notable. Sajjad Ibraheem made his first-class debut for Peshawar in the 2024–25 Quaid-e-Azam Trophy on 5 November 2024, in a match against Rawalpindi. This competition is recognized as first-class by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), which is the governing body of cricket in Pakistan. Therefore, the article satisfies the notability requirement under subject-specific guidelines, regardless of broader media coverage. ESPNcricinfo profile. Behappyyar (talk) 20:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to the guideline you linked, that page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. Sports figures need at the very least one independent source with significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV). JTtheOG (talk) 21:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply. While Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Notability is marked as inactive, the notability principle that first-class cricketers are presumed notable is still active policy via WP:NCRICKET, and has been consistently upheld at AfD. As per WP:NCRICKET: "Playing in a first-class match is usually sufficient for notability." This is supported by numerous prior AfD closures. This satisfies WP:NCRICKET and aligns with community consensus for cricketer notability. WP:GNG is not required when reliable subject-specific notability exists and has been broadly applied in practice. Behappyyar (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are these AfDs from the previous three years? Participation-based guidelines have been deprecated since 2022. JTtheOG (talk) 21:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just to clarify: WP:NCRICKET notes that significant coverage should not be assumed for all domestic players, but it also states that playing in an officially recognized first-class match is usually sufficient for notability. This reflects established AfD precedent. Since Sajjad Ibraheem debuted in a PCB-sanctioned first-class match, the subject meets this standard, regardless of media coverage.

This will rest on whether sufficient sources can be found to meet the WP:GNG – something along the lines of WP:BASIC level. I don't read Urdu so can't determine if the source in that language would significantly help reach that sort of bar. Simply meeting NCRIC has not been considered sufficient for an article to be kept for years. In this case there appears to not be a suitable list to redirect the article to, so I would suggest sending the article to draft initially unless suitable sourcing can be found Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. According to global consensus, all sportsperson articles are required to cite a source of IRS SIGCOV in addition to the subject meeting GNG. Meeting NCRICKET only affords a presumption of further SIGCOV if this SPORTCRIT criterion is satisfied. JoelleJay (talk) 15:42, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:NCRIC by extension. Vestrian24Bio 09:49, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No SIGCOV, participation-based notability criteria were deprecated by WP:NSPORTS2022, and I'd say that the idea that playing for Pesahawar necessarily indicates notability has been quite definitely disproved by the large number of LUGSTUBs deleted/redirected already. FOARP (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Agallar

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The subject doesn't seem to meet WP:NMMA, and was never ranked in the top 10 world rankings, highest ranked achieved was #16 according to Fight Matrix see: [45]. Lekkha Moun (talk) 17:10, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Some coverage here: apparently he won some sort of world title? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cool find. Never heard of Absolute Fighting Championship, I'm not convinced this is big enough to pass WP:NMMA. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to meet WP:NMMA and lost all 3 of his fights to fighters ranked in the top 20. The article has no significant independent coverage. My search found him mentioned in databases and fight results, but that's not enough to meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. According to WP:MMANOT, Absolute Fighting was a second tier promotion and added nothing to a fighter's notability. Papaursa (talk) 01:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kei Sugimoto

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Playing 16 football games in the J League system is not a strong claim to notability. The article would need several pieces of significant and independent coverage to meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, and has neither that nor a Japanese Wikipedia page. Geschichte (talk) 13:20, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:34, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jiro Hiratsuka

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Playing 11 football games in the J League system is not a strong claim to notability. The article would need several pieces of significant and independent coverage to meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, and has neither. Geschichte (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:09, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Masafumi Mizuki

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Playing 20 football games in the J League system is not a strong claim to notability. The article would need several pieces of significant and independent coverage to meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, and seems to lack that. Geschichte (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nurettin Güven

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When doing WP:Before this person appears to not fulfill WP:BIO. The coverage that does exist in RS appears to link them to speculative allegations of serious crimes, but these are only allegations, which is not enough to fulfill WP:BIO. Nayyn (talk) 14:34, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oskar Piechota

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Subject has lost 4 of his 5 fights in the UFC, and has been released. According to Fight Matrix, his highest ranked achieved was #48 [46], doesn't appear to meet WP:NMMA. I don't see this article meeting WP:GNG with mostly fights results and passing mentions. Lekkha Moun (talk) 08:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Seems fine for Basic WP:GNG to me with what whats on the article and pt:Oskar Piechota. Govvy (talk) 08:01, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your vote is based on the Polish wiki article? My analysis has only found fight results, fight announcements, profiles, nothing to establish WP:GNG at all. For example, all four MMA Junkie articles are fight results. Please let us know which source you consider independent significant coverage, because I don't see any. Below is my analysis of all 16 Polish wiki sources in order:
- [47]: Figther profile N
- [48] UFC Rankings N
- [49] Fighter profiles N
- [50] Tapology profile N
- [51] UFC profile again N
- [52] fight announcement/passing mention N
- [53] Routine fight result coverage N
- [54] Event announcement N
- [55] Fight result N
- [56] Event announcement N
- [57] Fight result N
- [58] Fight announcement N
- [59] Fight result N
- [60] Fight result N
- [61] UFC 245 Results N
- [62] Sherdog profile N
Passing mentions and event results are not sufficient to meet GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to meet WP:NMMA or WP:ANYBIO. My search of the references in the English article produced essentially the same conclusions as Lekha Moun. I don't see how he meets WP:GNG or any other WP notability criteria. If someone can use WP:THREE and show me how he meets WP:GNG, I will reevaluate my vote. Papaursa (talk) 01:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Donald L. Ellixson, Jr.

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Non-notable American martial artist. Page is entirely promotional, does not include any reliable sources. Meets WP:PEACOCK. Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:SPORTSPERSON, WP:NACTOR. Cabrils (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and salt What the hell is this mess. Blatant vanity page and COI. The full names of the children are listed? Non-independent sources such his own website Ellixson's Tae Kwon Do Academy. This is one of the most flagrant promotional page I have seen on wiki. Lekkha Moun (talk) 06:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article is a hodgepodge collection of information that fails to show why its subject is notable. Rank and martial arts halls of fame have never been considered to show WP notability, youtube is not a reliable source, and notability isn't inherited from students (who also don't appear WP notable). Discussions of belt ranks, training videos, and tournaments he didn't compete in also fail to show notability and are irrelevant. At a minimum, this article needs a complete rewrite and likely could be salted without WP losing anything. The vanity and COI aspects of this page are overwhelming. Papaursa (talk) 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrii Kobchyk

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Declined prod suggesting sources may exist for name in Cyrillic "Андрій Кобчик". Google news comes up with 2 sources but they are mere 1 line small mentions. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NGYMNAST. LibStar (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:59, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not my job to look into this, but I'm the one who de-prodded. Seems to be quite a few hits online, hence the de-prod. Apologies in advance to those either unwilling or unable to source information in a non-English language. It's probably why Wikipedia has the biases that it does. In any case, in my extremely limited abilities, it took this American about 30 seconds to find this, which appears to be a short feature from a Ukrainian news outlet, with smaller routine coverage to supplement here, here, and here. Here's another Ukrainian news mention with a similar/identical(?) story here. Additional mentions here, here, here, here, here, etc. He's not going to have a whole 50-set encyclopedia dedicated to him, most people don't, but if someone took the time to add those references plus whatever else is floating out there, he's probably in the top 90th percentile of sourced material for biographies. GauchoDude (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Atre Bezabeh

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Declined prod. Whilst non-databases sources are welcome, the added newspaper sources are small non-SIGCOV mentions like this, this and this . Articles like this and this don't even mention this athlete. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 01:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ethiopia at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:00, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Articles like this and this don't even mention this athlete" – All linked articles above actually do mention the athlete specifically by name, see the 4th para in Evening Star and the caption in Evening Standard. Part of WP:BEFORE is to evaluate the existing sourcing in the article which includes reading them. The Evening Star coverage is significant which says he was "becoming a force in the world at this event". See for example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Van Lam Hai which has been kept on similar grounds. --Habst (talk) 12:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be precise, the full quote is "[Sebastian Coe] should not be unduly tested even though Ethiopian Atre Bezabeh has recently shown signs of becoming a force in the world at this event", which is to say that he wasn't much of a force in the world, at least not enough to test Seb Coe. This is anyway just a passing mention, as was the coverage in the caption on the other Evening Standard article.

I think also the person who added these sources needs to take a long look at WP:RSNP. FOARP (talk) 13:03, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I added those sources, I have a lot of respect for your contributions. I agree that WP:RSNP is important and it says about Evening Standard, "Despite being a free newspaper, it is generally considered more reliable than most British tabloids and middle-market newspapers" (emphasis mine). I would be cautious about leaning on its reporting of gossipy tabloid-type subjects, but on sports reporting from the 1980s there's no indication of any issue. --Habst (talk) 13:23, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Svartner. Fails WP:NSPORT due to lack of IRS SIGCOV. As well as the usual Google search, I've done a search of the internet archive, and Eastmain's Middle East & North Africa newspaper database and have found no instances of SIGCOV. FOARP (talk) 13:09, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. No IRS SIGCOV. Non-database sources are passing mentions and namechecks.
5: Ethiopia have nominated Atre Bezabeh, Abebe Zerihun and Haile Zerow to run against Seb Coe in the 800 metres... N.
6: 800 metres: Atre Bezabeh, Abeeb Zerihun, Haile Zerow. N.
7: Sebastian Coe on the way to victory last night...and Ethiopian Atre Bezabeh (No 7) was left in his wake N.
8: His main opposition is likely to come from Ethiopia's Attre Bezabeh who clocked a more than respectable 1 minute 47 seconds for the 800 metres at 8,000 feet altitude just ten days ago. + [sentence mentioning Bezabeh with no coverage of him] N.
9: He should not be unduly tested even though Ethiopian Atre Bezabeh has recently shown signs of becoming a force in the world at this event. N.
10: ET—from Atre Bezabeh, Abebe Zerihun, Hale Zerow N. JoelleJay (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Noting my opposition to merging, and in general opposition to adding any content not directly related to the redirect target. JoelleJay (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Diagana

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NATH. Simply competing in world championships is not sufficient. LibStar (talk) 01:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:03, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, subject was covered significantly in Die Rheinpfalz here: [63] --Habst (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Habst: can you describe the relevant content here? I think most of us don't have subscriptions to Die Rheinpfalz. FOARP (talk) 13:51, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need a subscription to read the article. I added a few details. --Habst (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You added His lifestyle was contrasted with that of a Rheinpfalz reporter, who seemed busier but was unable to focus on one goal like Diagana had. If this nonsense, which I've reverted, is the extent of coverage in the Die Rheinpfalz article (it is also paywalled for me, can you paste an archive link please?) then it definitely is not SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your source evaluation. It isn't the extent of the coverage, you can read it yourself and see that there is more. Archive links won't work, but you don't need a subscription either to see the full text. Can you re-evaluate once you've read the article instead of just the first paragraph? --Habst (talk) 12:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why won't archive links work? Where are you actually reading this source? JoelleJay (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm reading it from my phone, it's possible to get the full text from an app though I'm not sure to what extent this is intended. This trick wouldn't work with webarchives. Of course you could always subscribe as well. --Habst (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No IRS SIGCOV has been identified, including the paywalled source. JoelleJay (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the source evaluation but I don't see how you can say that without having read the source? --Habst (talk) 12:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because the only detail you’re giving us is that he “contrasts” his life. I would like to know whether it gives any details about Diagana (life, education, career etc.). FOARP (talk) 14:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any education details, but the life and career of Diagana specifically are definitely discussed. It's possible to access the article yourself free of charge, so I'm not sure why the immediate dismissal is appropriate when it hasn't even been read. --Habst (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Have to agree that no IRS SIGCOV has been identified. I can only see the first two paragraphs of the Rheinpflaz story but it does not appear to be significant coverage, since it is only a passing mention in the discussion of another athlete in the first paragraph and the second one switches to the topic of Eddie The Eagle for some reason.

Happy to switch to keep if I’m wrong about the Rheinpflaz story, but I’m would need at least a description of its coverage. FOARP (talk) 21:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FOARP, the piece is an artistic story that describes Diagana's lifestyle and contrasts it with Rheinpfalz reporter Salma Zougar. It does go in-depth specifically about Diagana (the whole section is only about him and no other athlete) and would fulfill WP:SPORTCRIT prong 5 but more importantly is a GNG hit. Can you switch your !vote or at least strike it until you have read the source? It's a little complicated but there are ways to get it for free. --Habst (talk) 12:29, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give us some of the details it gives about Diagana? I cannot read the source as it is paywalled. FOARP (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to pay to read the source; I did not pay to read it. It gives some details like where he lives and trains and what his day-to-day life is like. --Habst (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how you did not pay to read the source since I hit a paywall, but if you can access it, could you excerpt the relevant section here and/or paraphrase it? This would solve the issue. FOARP (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a little complicated and I'm not sure to what extent this behavior is intended, but it's possible to read it for free using a trick. I described it in this comment above, or of course you can always pay for the subscription. I'm not sure how a delete !vote could be warranted without even reading the source? --Habst (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article you have linked is by Klaus D. Kullmann. Are you talking about a different article? JoelleJay (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is the same article. There is a language barrier here but I guess that Kullmann is discussing Zougar's first-hand interactions with Diagana. --Habst (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! Yes, there does appear to be some confusion going on here. Salma Zougar is not a reporter for Rheinpfalz. From the Google snippet I can see the phrase "Und zwar täglich. Er macht nichts anderes, erzählt er auf französisch der Marokkanerin Salma Zougar (23), die in Genf gerade ihren Master..." which in machine translation reads "He does nothing else, he tells in French the Moroccan Salma Zougar (23), who is currently completing her Master's degree in Geneva...". From her Linkedin profile it appears that Zougar was an interpreter at the time. This looks like an interview?

@Habst - It really would clear this all up if you provided the actual quote. This article is paywalled and not accessible to us. Would it help if I sent you a screenshot of the paywall I see every time I try to access the article? FOARP (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have the same paywall, I'm just saying there is a way to access it for free as well. I'm not sure to what extent this way is intended if I can describe here. If it is so important and the cost is not an issue you can subscribe? My main issue here is that I don't see how a delete !vote could be justified without having access (free or otherwise) to the source. --Habst (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because what you've told us so far doesn't indicate notability - it looks like an interview - and because there seems to be some uncertainty about what it says (Zougar is not a reporter for Rheinpfalz). But the complete quote could change that. For completeness I should point out for a WP:GNG pass we need multiple instances of IRS SIGCOV. FOARP (talk) 19:13, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't an interview, I have read the article and you can too. Per WP:SPORTCRIT prong 5, sports biographies can be kept with only one source of significant coverage. --Habst (talk) 20:02, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We clearly can't read the article! Either explain how you're bypassing the paywall or paste the relevant excerpt.

And considering this source was used to support a lengthy, mangled, misattributed personal observation, I am highly skeptical that it actually contains any further encyclopedic coverage than what you've already added. JoelleJay (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay, what is misattributed? Zougar worked for Die Rheinpfalz at the time, as piece states, "...in Doha als Dolmetscherin arbeitet und der RHEINPFALZ ubersetzt". so there is nothing that was misattributed, nor lengthly, nor mangled. You can subscribe or use the app trick to read it yourself. There is an entire section of the article titled "Diagana ist von Beruf 100-m-Laufer" that is solely about the subject.

At some point this is getting silly because there are thousands of for-pay sources out there (which this isn't even an example of because it can be accessed for free as I have) – per WP:PAYWALL, "Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. Some reliable sources are not easily accessible". --Habst (talk) 18:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to paste it all here for copyright reasons but Perplexity AI was able to summarise this article for me, and Gemini could even extract the original text (in German and with a reasonable English translation), as long as I asked for it paragraph by paragraph. The summary accorded with perplexity AI, so it seems AIs have full access to this. I also looked at the page code, but the blurred text is obfuscated. In any case, I was able to find the pertinent sections from the blurred section:

Paragraph 5: Alpha Diagana [is] from the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, where the 25-year-old lives and trains daily in the capital Nouakchott.
Paragraphs 6&7: He does nothing else, he tells in French to Salma Zougar (23) from Morocco, who is currently doing her master's in Geneva, working as an interpreter in Doha, and translates for RHEINPFALZ. He simply wants to get better. We don't mean this disrespectfully: Diagana was the slowest sprinter in Doha, 12.30 seconds. A personal best. He coped better with the humidity than Gilani.

And that is all. the piece is about people who came last, bit are still required to answer interview questions. Information on the page subject is what he said to Zougar in interview, and the slant of the report is last place competitors having fun. WP:IV pertains. The occasion of the article does not lend itself to a claim for notability, and I don't think that meets the definition of SIGCOV. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sirfurboy, I don't mean to be accusatory, but this sounds an awful lot like a hallucination and does not align with my reading of the source. It seems like it is only based off the Google search preview snippets already linked above. AIs aren't magic and would not have any more or less access to the source than humans, it seems like the AI is just pretending to have full access. --Habst (talk) 20:14, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Habst - sorry, but you're really leaning on AGF too hard here. If you want to show us that there's more than this, then show it. FOARP (talk) 22:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what I could do short of posting the entire article text here which would be a blatant copyvio. I also don't know what you mean by "leaning on AGF too hard" -- you either assume good faith, or you don't. If your entire objection is based on the fact that you don't believe me, you can say that but it would be against AGF. You are free to verify the claims yourself in this case, because the article is online. --Habst (talk) 22:29, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The bulleted text is literally the Google translation of the article; implying that it's some hallucination that doesn't match the real content is deeply dishonest. JoelleJay (talk) 22:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have only acted in good faith trying to assess the notability of the subject, using words like "dishonest" isn't helpful. Do you agree that using AI to determine notability while not being able to verify the claims of the AI is problematic? It's also not a literal translation; it's missing sentences (like the training daily one is its own sentence in the original) and the paragraph numbers don't match up at all with the source text -- paragraphs 5, 6, and 7 are just two paragraphs in the original if I'm interpreting this right. I wouldn't be relying on this output at all. --Habst (talk) 23:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More bad faith from you. I asked you to drop this. Give me one good reason why I should not take your civil POV pushing to ANI. You will note that when I carefully described my process for recovering the full text of the article from the google cache, I also was very clear about the limitations. I told you I had all the text, but for copyright reasons I only posted the relevant excerpt (under fair use). Now you pretend this means I only found part of it. You know and knew I had posted all the relevant text.

I explained that the AI will do its best to count paragraphs and when I posted what I had, I decided that it had split a paragraph where it should not have and joined it. Had you asked, rather than assumed, I would explain exactly why the algorithm misunderstood markup as showing a paragraph termination where none existed. Paragraphs are in markup, not in the prose, and having viewed the markup of that page, it would have made Berners-Lee cry.

But the real issue here, and the reason why you are flogging this dead horse, is because you misrepresented a source that you hoped we would not read. You claimed it had significant coverage, and until we recovered the text on it, you claimed it had more than we could see. This is not the first time you have done this. You have had me reading trivial coverage in Arabic newspapers, for instance, and spent time quibbling about page numbers (despite the number being printed on the page), claiming we could not read the sources and thus could not !vote anything but keep. Yet when I read the information, it was clearly trivial, and you must have known this.

Here, when I found and posted the text, you claimed that this was hallucination of an AI. When JoelleJay managed to work out what you had done and posted the exact same text you continued and continued and continued to pretend this was some kind of attempt to use AI to answer the question.

All of this just gives reams of text in these AFDS, which will ensure fewer people will wade into the discussion. You know this, don't you? If someone can sow enough doubt, you hope the only people who will show up at AFD will be the passing IP or AFD voter who will just !vote keep on ideological grounds. You don't want people to treat this as a discussion on the sources, so you obfuscate. And some poor closer is going to have to come along and read all of this. Again and again and again.

Assuming good faith is not a suicide compact. So again: one good reason why we shouldn't take this to ANI? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AIs aren't magic As we have seen below, the text quoted above is exactly what is in the source, so magic or not, Gemini did what I asked of it this time perfectly well. Now I would not want AI's writing articles, nor rely on an AIs synthesis, but it seems to me that this comment was designed to sow confusion when you were already in a position to confirm what is confirmed below. That this is indeed all of it. Why you chose not to is a question for another place, but here is why I was confident in my use of AIs (and note, I used two as a check) in this case.

Firstly, we know that although the article is paywalled, and hidden in the Google Cache, that it has hidden content that is searchable by Google. That is, Google have a copy of the text, if they can be persuaded to show it to us.

Secondly it is also clear that Gemini, Google's AI, has unrestricted access to the cache. I am unsurprised by that. So if I feed Gemini the URL and ask me what is in the text it will summarise the text. Note that summaries of text are something LLMs do pretty well. They are bad at synthesis, but you can be more confident in their summaries - albeit they can still make errors and get the stress of the article wrong. The summary was interesting, but what I wanted was the text itself, to see what it said, so:

Thirdly, if you ask Gemini for the contents of a paragraph, it will do its best to count paragraphs, and then return the actual text and translate it. Here there is no synthesis. It is literally returning information from the Google cache and translating it. It is doing what Google search and Google Translate do. And at this point you may be letting the hype get to you. AIs are just tools. Machine Translation is an AI application. For many years MT was one of the big goals of AI. It happens to be one that has been largely cracked by big data, but when you use MT you are using an AI. When I use Gemini for the translation I am essentially using the same AI. Search is less obviously an AI than MT, but there are AI aspects there too.

So in summary, if you know what you are doing with any tool, you can make it do something useful. If someone dresses up a screwdriver as a oojmaflip that can do anything from grinding coffee to writing novels, you might want to be wary of its ability to run a coffee shop in a library, but you can still use it to unscrew your cupboard doors. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That does not make her a reporter, which is what you claimed. JoelleJay (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sirfurboy: Arguing with help of an AI tool is not reliable reasoning. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 12:38, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

About how many words of coverage to the subject are in the mentioned article? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are exactly 160 words in the section "Diagana ist von Beruf 100-m-Laufer" that is about the subject (one other athlete was mentioned at the end). Plus there is some prose at the beginning about Diagana and Said Gilani. --Habst (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is plainly false! There are indeed 162 words (in English) after (and including) the header, but it is a blatant untruth to characterize it as "one other athlete was mentioned at the end" when in fact 30 words are about the translator and another 70 comprise Gilani's "mention" at the end. JoelleJay (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was counting the words in the source language German, not English, so I don't understand this comparison. The article is about Diagana and Gilani, and in this case Gilani's quote is brought up as a direct contrast to Diagana so it is descriptive of Diagana in a negative sense. --Habst (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In German it is 156 words, including the header, with 29 about the reporter and 69 about Gilani. But sure, you "don't understand this comparison".
None of that coverage is directly of Diagana, so does not count at all anyway, but additionally it is all non-independent, primary quotes so unusable for that reason too.
He simply coped better with the humidity than Gilani, who lamented the climate: "[quote about Gilani's thoughts on the heat, nothing about Diagana]" But they were so happy to be there. Gilani was competing for the second time after London 2017. "[quote about Gilani's training and feelings about representing his country, nothing about Diagana]," said Gilani.

You've repeatedly been outright dishonest in your characterization of this source, including alleging @Sirfurboy's direct translation was an AI "hallucination" that "does not align with [your] reading of the source." This is tendentious. JoelleJay (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I've said many times before, I have great respect for you and don't understand why using words like "dishonest" is at all necessary and isn't assuming good faith which I have always displayed to you because I respect your contributions. Per WP:PRIMARYNEWS, news coverage with analysis is typically considered secondary coverage. --Habst (talk) 20:50, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You claimed there were 160 words in a section "about Diagana" with just a "mention of one other athlete at the end", when 70 of those words are in fact quoting a different athlete talking about his own experience, and another 30 are about the translator.
You claimed and apparently continue to claim that Sirfurboy's AI translation of the article "doesn't align with your reading" and that there are issues without how the AI "frames" the story, despite my direct translation of the full text unequivocally matching the two bulleted paragraphs from the AI. JoelleJay (talk) 22:22, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both of those are only brought up in relation to the article subject which is the athlete. The AI translation above, which is only two bullet points, doesn't align with the source text (see comments about paragraph numbers and missing sentences above) and it's very problematic to be relying on AI output to assess notability without verifying that output first. --Habst (talk) 23:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you continue struggling against the concept of "direct coverage"? The article subject is not Diagana, it is a human interest story on two athletes who didn't do well in their race. But even if it was a story on only Diagana, She is currently completing her master's degree in Geneva, works as an interpreter in Doha, and translates for the RHEINPFALZ newspaper. and a couple quotes from Gilani about Gilani are in no way direct coverage of Diagana and do not contribute to SIGCOV.
Claiming that
Alpha Diagana [is] from the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, where the 25-year-old lives and trains daily in the capital Nouakchott.
He does nothing else, he tells in French to Salma Zougar (23) from Morocco, who is currently doing her master's in Geneva, working as an interpreter in Doha, and translates for RHEINPFALZ. He simply wants to get better. We don't mean this disrespectfully: Diagana was the slowest sprinter in Doha, 12.30 seconds. A personal best. He coped better with the humidity than Gilani.
"doesn't align" with
Alpha Diagana from the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, where the 25-year-old lives and trains in the capital Nouakchott. He does nothing else, he tells the Moroccan Salma Zougar (23) in French. She is currently completing her master's degree in Geneva, works as an interpreter in Doha, and translates for the RHEINPFALZ newspaper. He simply wants to get better. This is not meant disrespectfully: Diagana was the slowest sprinter in Doha, running 12.30 seconds. A personal best. He simply coped better with the humidity than Gilani
is just disruptive IDHT at this point. JoelleJay (talk) 01:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: Per the source found by Habst, which provides multiple sentences of independent coverage of this subject, we have just enough WP:SIGCOV for a narrow WP:GNG pass. Let'srun (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun, you know GNG requires multiple pieces of IRS SIGCOV, and N requires sustained coverage... How does this subject meet that? He doesn't meet NATH criteria so there's no presumption of further coverage even if the Rheinpfalz piece was SIGCOV, which it definitely is not:
[paragraph header: Diagana is a professional 100-meter runner] Or Alpha Diagana from the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, where the 25-year-old lives and trains in the capital Nouakchott. He does nothing else, he tells the Moroccan Salma Zougar (23) in French. She is currently completing her master's degree in Geneva, works as an interpreter in Doha, and translates for the RHEINPFALZ newspaper. He simply wants to get better. This is not meant disrespectfully: Diagana was the slowest sprinter in Doha, running 12.30 seconds. A personal best. He simply coped better with the humidity than Gilani, [quote from Gilani]
My suspicions above were correct: the only secondary content on Diagana (bolded) is what Habst already put into the stub, with the exception that, as should be plainly evident from the translation, His lifestyle was contrasted with that of a Rheinpfalz reporter, who seemed busier but was unable to focus on one goal like Diagana had. is egregious OR. Everything else on Diagana is relating what he said/felt or first-person observations.
BTW I accessed this by figuring out Habst's evasive comments about "an app on mobile" referred to the specific Die Rheinpfalz app, which I downloaded and indeed allows you to read the paywalled content. I don't know why that was so hard to divulge or why the above ~90 words, 1/3 of which are about the translator, couldn't be pasted. JoelleJay (talk) 22:49, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FOARP @Sirfurboy here's the relevant text directly from [Google translation of] the source. JoelleJay (talk) 00:02, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m sorry that an editor chose to waste everyone’s time in this fashion. Simply quoting the relevant parts would have been fair dealing and not a copy vio, or even just summarising what they say. FOARP (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FOARP, I have great respect for your contributions. I don't see how anything I am doing here here is a waste of time. There's more of the coverage in the Die Rheinpfalz article pertaining to Diagana than quoted above; for one, the entire article is about two people, so when they're discussed as a group that is just as pertaining to Diagana as the above sentences. Also, a few things like how he dealt with the humidity weren't put into the WP article but are in the Rheinpfalz article. --Habst (talk) 14:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which is exactly what I got Gemini to provide me. Thanks for the verification. Confirming my delete opinion below. Meanwhile: Sirfurboy, I don't mean to be accusatory, but this sounds an awful lot like a hallucination is clearly tendentious. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sirfurboy, as I've said before I have a lot of respect for your edits. How was that statement tendentious? I think that the AI output has hallucinations, not your comments or your usage of it which I understand were in good faith; and I agree WP:AGF is important, but it doesn't apply to artificial intelligence because it's not a person. We don't have to assume the good faith of AI tools. --Habst (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is tendentious because you must surely have known, having read the source, that I had posted an exact translation of what was in the source. Your evasiveness about the relevant text in the source also appears tendentious. Most of us are trying to analyse sources to decide if a page meets notability policy and guidelines. Are you? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that evaluating the subject is the conversation we should be having; not one about AI or other editors' behavior. I think that the Die Rheinpfalz piece provides enough significant coverage of the subject to justify a P&G-based keep !vote in the context of his World Championships qualification. It's available free of cost or via subscription for anyone else to decide for themselves and would much rather talk about those disagreements than anything else.

You never pasted an exact translation the original article; only some snippets that it seems to me were in the Google search results preview text. I still don't even understand how Perplexity AI could have even had access to the source text given that it couldn't use an app? --Habst (talk) 15:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So we shouldn't talk about AI but here you are asking again? My full answer is above. The text comes from Gemini, which is Google's LLM. As I explained, the text was extracted from Googles cache. We can't use the usual techniques to view Google cache directly because the page is hidden from the public access to the cache, but we know Google has the full page cache (and the fact it is hidden confirms this). Asking Gemini to return the contents of the article thus merely extracted the information from the cache, and then, gratuitously, added the machine translation. Note that I said I also had the full text in German too.
The analysis of the text is above. All the source gives us is his age, where he lives and trains, and that he was the slowest sprinter in Doha with a time of 12.30 seconds. Clearly not significant coverage. That we are still talking about this source reveals the general paucity of sources. It is this and nothing else. The page should not be kept. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:00, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are other independent sources as well like World Athletics and Tilastopaja. Also the Die Rheinpfalz article has other information as well, like how he dealt with the heat and how athletics is his only profession. --Habst (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is all discussed above. Database sources do not demonstrate notability, and the extra text you mention is, of course, in the text I posted that you claimed not to recognise. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:49, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Using large language models to verify notability, even indirectly via reading a paywalled article (that isn't even paywalled), is not a good precedent to set. I don't have the original text with me to reference right now but I did take issue with the way AI framed the article above. Even state-of-the-art AI models often hallucinate and their output always needs to be verified, which was never done in this case by a human with the original article. --Habst (talk) 20:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Goodness me! Yes, we wouldn't want to do that. LLMs verifying notability? That would be stupid. Who did that?

Drop this line or else take it somewhere where it is relevant. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"He simply coped better with the humidity than Gilani" is not encyclopedic whatsoever, and his statement that he "does nothing else" is not independent and shouldn't even be construed to mean it's his "only profession". JoelleJay (talk) 17:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I could agree with this and wouldn't object a change removing or rephrasing those details. --Habst (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - My analysis of the source provided by Habst is above. It is an article about how last placers have to give an interview, and had a lot of fun, but it is primary and not independent in that all the information about the subject is gained from that required interview. Neither is it SIGCOV, and - in any case - multiple sources are required. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:51, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the analysis was done by an AI, and I'm pretty sure it was an AI hallucination as I don't understand the technical process by which Perplexity AI could have access to the source text. --Habst (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well sure, go ahead and post up what you have for paragraphs 5-7 and I'll translate that for you. It will, I think, accord with the source text that I merely extracted using the AI as a technique. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Habst; and as stated above; AI is not reliable. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 12:40, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You rather missed the confirmation and discussion that the text is confirmed to be exactly what I said it was, and not SIGCOV for that exact reason. Also, do please have a read of WP:HOUND. Your last 3 edits (2 different replies here, and this: [64]) and some others, do seem pointedly directed at me. I'm sure it is all meant in good faith, but reading that guideline will help avoid any potential misunderstandings. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:13, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There is nothing significant about any of it. Geschichte (talk) 08:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bekele Haile

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Declined prod. Based on databases/results. The only non database source is a small 1 line mention. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:10, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ethiopia at the 1956 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ethiopia at the 1956 Summer Olympics#Athletics: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV for the WP:SPORTSCRIT to be met here. Let'srun (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ethiopia at the 1956 Summer Olympics#Athletics per WP:ATD. Ingratis (talk) 11:55, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khaled Othman

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Declined prod. Only provided sources are databases and results listings which are not sufficient to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG, either here, the corresponding wikis, or elsewhere. Oppose the merging of any content due to the lack of quality sourcing. Let'srun (talk) 23:16, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Libya at the 1996 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. No IRS SIGCOV identified. Oppose merging content. JoelleJay (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmoud Al-Zabramawi

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Declined prod. The only sources are databases/results which are insufficient to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Saudi Arabia at the 1976 Summer Olympics: Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG, either here (where the only sources are databases), the corresponding wikis, or elsewhere. Redirect as a WP:ATD, but oppose merging of any content since his result is already included there. Let'srun (talk) 23:29, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Saudi Arabia at the 1976 Summer Olympics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, no IRS SIGCOV has been identified. Also oppose merging, per Let'srun. JoelleJay (talk) 18:07, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamed Al-Hashimi

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Declined prod. The only sources are databases/results which are insufficient to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Oman at the 1984 Summer Olympics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:07, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Oman at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics per WP:ATD. Ingratis (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Oman at the 1984 Summer Olympics: Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG, either in this article (only database sources are cited), corresponding wikis, or elsewhere. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 13:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Oman at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics due to WP:SIGCOV not being met. Should be done as WP:ATD One Hop2482 (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Baby Gronk

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As a biography of a minor-- and especially one who has been involved in social media controversy-- we need to be especially stringent with the sources we use and the information we include. (WP:BLP, WP:BLPPRIVACY, WP:BLPMINOR). The subject's most consistent coverage outside of sports blogs and such (which we don't consider reliable sources) isn't solely focused on him; it mostly concerns his father or his interactions with Livvy Dunne and Rob Gronkowski's interactions with him. This causes the article to fail WP:NOTNEWS; the most coverage the subject has gotten was from a few reliable sources over summer 2023. Since then, it's been mostly local news sources, press releases about apparently joking university commitments, and social media geared sites we don't consider when discussing notability (Bleacher Report, etc.) Maybe this kid will be more notable in the future-- but Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. If/when reliable sources cover the subject in more detail, a better article can be written on him. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - we should not even be under the appearance of encouraging half of what's happening. Red Flag City. Bearian (talk) 03:34, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:MINORS, this person had no say in whether they want to lead a public life or not and the coverage is not overwhelming (while substantial and maybe close to passing GNG for any other subject) does not outweigh the right to privacy for a minor. --hroest
Delete - even if this passes GNG, it should be deleted per WP:IAR, particularly as described in the essay WP:MINORS. Rlendog (talk) 14:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Bowers

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Regional-level NASCAR driver with no championship wins. Fails to meet WP:NMOTORSPORT or WP:WikiProject NASCAR/Standards. Citations are database entries and an obit. Nothing better found on search. — Moriwen (talk) 19:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Idaho Statesman wrote a great deal of stories about him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are pages on hundreds of "regional drivers", the page could use more sources but shouldn't be deleted. ThunderC12 (talk) 23:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Graham

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Does not meet WP:NMOTORSPORT or Wikipedia:WikiProject_NASCAR/Standards. Regional-level NASCAR driver with no championships. Database sources only. — Moriwen (talk) 19:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Morris (speedcuber)

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Frank Morris is just a speedcuber who was fairly active in the early 2000s and got a couple of world records on larger cubes, but aside from that he's definitely not worthy of an article. The only source that isn't his WCA page (which everyone who has competed in a speedcubing competition has) is a link to an interview he did for a radio station, which I definitely don't think makes you notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Yoshikid64 (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, I searched for sources and found only a passing mention in this Taipei Times article from 2006 apart from the interview the nominator mentions. Fails GNG. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Too niche of a sport to get media coverage I suppose... He has a trading card [65], that's about all. The Taipei Times article seems to be the extent of coverage. I don't see enough for notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I've never seen someone with a trading card who didn't pass GNG, especially a Topps Allen & Ginter one like that. It shouldn't be overlooked. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:09, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes GNG 1 2A 2B 3 4 5A 5B Disappointed people didn't actually look for sources. I found these in a few minutes. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as per sources found by WO9. JTtheOG (talk) 07:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Clarke (footgolf)

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Non-notable footgolf player. The article was AI-generated and included multiple hallucinated citations that have been removed. What's left doesn't support notability under WP:GNG or WP:NSPORT; references are affiliated with him (his Facebook or his talent agency), or they are from official leagues and thus also not secondary coverage. I found one instance of WP:SIGCOV in my before search (Daily Record), but the rest of the coverage I found was WP:TRIVIALMENTION. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (with work) - Some independent coverage exists, Gulf Today (2023 Sharjah win), GolfNews Vietnam (2025 Vietnam Open), ITV News Meridian (UK team victory), and Hemel Today (2017 Player of the Year), but most is event-specific. May fall short of WP:GNG due to limited sustained, in-depth WP:SIGCOV. Wq4m820 (talk) 21:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gulf Today is a single mention, GolfNews Vietnam appears to be routine match coverage, ITV is a trivial mention, and the Hemel Today piece appears to be a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE based solely on an interview with Clarke (and I would question the independence of an article that ends The Berkhamsted man is looking for help with sponsorship. If you can assist, email bencl***@gmail.com. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did find a FIFA.com piece on him -- this WP:SIGCOV source helps meet WP:NATHLETE (under WP:NSPORT) notability requirement of 'one significant, independent source' for the Ben Clarke (footgolf) page Wq4m820 (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:06, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Osamu Chiba

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No usable sources (including ja:wiki) and no good claim to notability to meet either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. No valid redirect target. Geschichte (talk) 07:09, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Very common name, kind of like the Japanese counterpart to "Philip Wright". Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia likewise contains references, but those are just database. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:58, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shinya Kato

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No usable sources (including ja:wiki) and no good claim to notability to meet either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. No valid redirect target. Geschichte (talk) 07:08, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - 9 JLeague appearances is not a great claim to notability. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 16:49, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shinji Kaneko

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No usable sources (including ja:wiki) and no good claim to notability to meet either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. No valid redirect target. Geschichte (talk) 07:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - 0 professional appearances apart from 1 cup game, the rest are all in the JFL. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 16:51, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Apor Györgydeák

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AI-generated article with fabricated citations about a world champion in an extremely niche sport (teqball). Most coverage I dug up was routine match reports like 1, 2, 3, and 4. The only decent coverage I found is an interview from a teqball-specific blog, which isn't terribly helpful for our purposes. JTtheOG (talk) 07:33, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Most of the links are permanently dead/nonexistent (I'm assuming made up by an LLM). This article doesn't just fail WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT, it's a massive WP:V violation for a BLP. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per above, the article sources don't demonstrate coverage and a search doesn't reveal anything better Garsh (talk) 17:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

*** These sources demonstrate some significant independent coverage, and Apor Györgydeák is mentioned multiple times on the Teqball World Championships page. While the current article is AI-generated and lacks quality, it could be improved with a full rewrite to properly reflect his notability within this niche sport.

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Bryan Greenlee

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All I was able to find on this basketball player was this interview with the subject and this interview with his parents, which I don't believe warrant a standalone article. JTtheOG (talk) 07:32, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not seeing sufficient independent SIGCOV to pass WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There appears to be very little coverage of this individual beyond primary sources Garsh (talk) 17:55, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (with work) - May meet notability due to FAU Final Four run. 1. trivial mention. 2. Televion interview. 3. Good source, notable mention. 4. Half discusses career, in short WPTV article. 5. Trivial mention, part of team that went to final 4 and contributed as a player. 6. Trivial mention in indep.article. 7. Interview (uni page)

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Comment: Found some coverage at [[66]], [[67]], and [[68]]. Let'srun (talk) 19:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- 1: team-specific microblog (Owls247.com), author graduated from the same uni in 2023, also just 3 sentences of direct coverage
- 2: routine interview from unreliable source (WP:SPORTSKEEDA), also just 2 sentences of direct coverage
- 3: routine coverage from a reliable source
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Mate Colina

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Apparently never played a game in the AFL.[69] Clarityfiend (talk) 12:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently that's now irrelevant. What's your relevant reason for deletion? The-Pope (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit hard to achieve something per NSPORT and satisfy GNG if you don't play. Simply being the tallest player ever signed in the league isn't enough. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for being unclear. NSPORT, which is concerned with "playing", is no longer a valid guideline for Australian rules footballers. And plenty who "don't play" (in the AFL) meet GNG. Hence your nomination reasoning would've been acceptable 3 or 4 years ago, does not make any sense now. The-Pope (talk) 15:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources exist, but are all published around the same time in September. I don't think this meets notability standards based on WP:BLP1E. The rest are statistics pages that do not make up substantial coverage. -- Recon rabbit 18:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Nom fails to raise a policy based argument for deletion. As an alternative one could Redirect to List of Richmond Football Club players#Other AFL-listed players. duffbeerforme (talk) 01:20, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep just enough coverage for a stub. The-Pope (talk) 01:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes GNG. [70][71][72][73] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Andreas Vikhos

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources are simply databases, and all I could find elsewhere were some mentions like [[74]]. Let'srun (talk) 00:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Only found 1 hit in google books. LibStar (talk) 01:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:GNG. King ChristLike (talk) 05:25, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 18:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no sigcov Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant coverage that would justify having an article. ZachH007 (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC) Keep. Looks like there is significant coverage. ZachH007 (talk) 18:29, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per significant coverage identified by Aviationwikiflight, see here. @Let'srun, LibStar, King ChristLike, Svartner, Yoblyblob, and ZachH007: BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm willing to withdraw should the other delete voters be convinced there is enough WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and changing my vote from provided sources and presumption that the offline sources indicate coverage. Finding these also indicates the likelihood of more offline sources Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per the discussion at my talk page already linked above, I managed to find this 100-word piece on him talking about election recommendations, which is further supported by this piece of coverage on the Athenian elections that were to be held later in 1929 where he's mentioned as a candidate for the role of a municipal councilor. I also found his obituary that's around 160 words long (translated by Google Translate):
Andreas Vichos, who passed away a few days ago, was a truly special human type, pulsating with ecumenical faith, with the understanding of social solidarity and with a creative spirit, a truly pure and enthusiastic patriot, ready for any service and sacrifice towards the nation[.] [H]e went to Crete with En pitropan[?] who called El. Venizelon in 1909 [I'm assuming this is referring to Eleftherios Venizelos and the Goudi Coup]. A volunteer in the wars of 1912-1913, he himself received more honorary recognitions, and subsequently he was actively involved in the organization and strengthening of the Thessaloniki Movement of 1916. Both during the first and second world wars he was persecuted by the Germans, ardent sports fan and former shooting athlete[.] He was a member of many sports clubs and represented the national colors in the Olympic games of Antwerp and Paris, being named the best shooter among the inter-allied nations race of 1919 in Paris. An idealistic type of family man, he raised his children with national ideals and always showed them the way to work. [...]
Even though the following links are not significant coverage, they could perhaps add a bit more detail to the article. This talks about his memorial service and this is a one line mention of (presumably) him selling a store in a "parliament environment". Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: nice save by Aviationwikiflight FuzzyMagma (talk) 15:29, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Greece at the 1920 Summer Olympics - the newspaper article above [75] is in Greek and attempts to extract the text are frustrated because the auto text selection runs across columns and creates a mess. This frustrates machine translation, but I know a little Greek, and after spending a bit of time on this, here is my translation:
ΑΝΔΡΕΑΣ ΒΗΧΟΣ (ANDREAS VICHOS)
"A prominent and influential member of the mercantile world, Mr. ANDREAS VICHOS, an old [i.e long-time] Athenian and much involved in public affairs, entered the electoral race at the urging of his friends. Rightly so, as his election signifies progress for public matters and the advancement of the city of Athens, for which he has sacrificed the greater part of his life.
Mr. Vichos will certainly be among the first to be elected on August 4th, due to his many merits and because his long mercantile life has made him beloved and popular among the Athenian people."
So what to make of this? Well the most important thing to note is that this is a primary source. It tells us that the page subject was standing for election in Athens. WP:PRIMARYNEWS pertains. Secondly, this is not just a news report; this is an endorsement. As such, it lacks independence. Thirdly it provides almost nothing that we could place in an article even if it were not primary. What does it tell us about the subject other than he was a merchant Certainly nothing at all about what he is allegedly notable for. So this one is not going to get us anywhere.
The obituary has a little more, but it is not much. Obituaries, in any case, also have issues with independence, often being written by family members. It would, perhaps, lead us to further information that might have better coverage, but it is not clear that will be the case. In any case, the passing acquaintance with the Olympics is an also ran in the obituary. There is definitely nothing here to sustain an article about a sportsman. "Being named best shooter" is confirmatory, but for a sports bio we need coverage of his shooting sports career, and on that we have nothing. I don't think the political career meets WP:NPOL either. Thus, I propose redirect to Greece at the 1920 Summer Olympics, where he is already mentioned alongside all the information we have about his shooting sports career. This ATD is in line with many similar cases from early Olympics. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
not disputing your vote or the essence of your argument but
- we need coverage of his shooting sports career: that is the easiest part because there are many sites that aggregate these stats like Olympics and Olympian Database
- Obituaries, in any case, also have issues with independence, often being written by family members.: can you prove that? I can show multiple obituaries not written by family members and I am sure you can show the opposite, but you need to support your conjecture.
FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:58, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. You make two points. My answers:
What I mean is that to sustain an argument that he is notable for the sporting career, we need significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources that show that someone treated him as a subject, and thus wrote about him. We cannot rely solely on results tables or database sources. There is no reason, from these sources, to suppose he had a notable sporting career.

The first thing to note that this obituary is on page 2 of Empros, which is a local paper for the island of Lesvos (commonly called Lesbos in English). It is under a heading titled πένθη which means "obituaries" in the plural. That is, this is an obituaries section, even if there is just one. So if you read WP:OBITUARIES, you will see an essay with guidance (which is also repeated on the reliable sources noticeboard in various places) that tells us A person who has a news obituary (and not a paid death notice) in a national quality newspaper, such as The New York Times or The Times, is usually notable. Paid death notices, on the other hand, are self published sources. See also Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources which has a very short section making that same point. Now here we do not know if this is a paid death notice or whether the newspaper decided to publish the information anyway. Having had some experience of this, I know that most national papers charge for these notices but a local paper often may not. However, in either case the problem is the same: the papers tend to publish these obituaries verbatim as provided to them. There is a very strong case that is what is happening here with this obituary in an obituaries section of a local newspaper. I think it falls well short of establishing notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:20, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So point "2)" summarized: "It's my opinion; I have no prove for it" 95.98.65.177 (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, point 2 is summarised as "this is a self published death notice and not even in a national quality newspaper". It does not count towards notability, and even if it did, it has nothing you could add about the subject's sporting career. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per found sources in reliable sources. It's likely seeing what is written about him that more coverage exist; but nobody here can speak Greek. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As you know, sources must be independent, reliable, secondary sources with significant coverage of the subject. Sports bios are required to have one such IRS SIGCOV source, excluding database sources, per WP:SPORTCRIT even if there is a presumption of notability. There is no reason to presume notability here, and we don't have any IRS SIGCOV sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:20, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NBASIC If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 20:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the IP failed to include the remainder of NBASIC, that being "trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability". Let'srun (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sources here aren't trivial, though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:09, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Bow

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Meets neither GNG or NMMA, and as it's the only page the creator has ever worked on, I'm going to say probably a vanity page, or at least some sort of conflict of interest. Nswix (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Rift (talk) 03:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Bow actually meets WP:NMMA, having been top 10 in the world in FightMatrix rankings in several years.^[1] While the article certainly lacks a whole lot of references and needs to be worked on regarding WP:NPOV among many other issues, it still has grounds to become approved. Ticelon (talk) 09:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I missed that, only having caught his 'last ranking'. Nswix (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Ryan Bow - MMA Fighter Profile, Record, Ranking - FightMatrix.com".

SIGCOV here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Bow does meet WP:NMMA, though I don't know how fightmatrix's ranking system works. He beat 6 unranked opponents when he started to get to #6 and finished 1-5 again top 20 fighters. I don't think that one article in a local paper about him winning a minor event qualifies as the multiple, independent, reliable sources mentioned at WP:GNG nor does he meet WP:ANYBIO. I also grant that there may be more coverage of him that hasn't yet been found. Normally I'd default to the view that meeting WP:NMMA is sufficient, but in this case I think I'll abstain. Papaursa (talk) 23:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the guy didn't really beat anyone, has one article in a local paper from before he was a pro, but for whatever reason meets this weird criteria of having been ranked in the top ten at a time when his weight class barely existed, so he barely passes one of the criteria for NMMA... weird. Nswix (talk) 05:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Indeed reads like a vanity page. Lekkha Moun (talk) 19:29, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The fighter is non-notable, barely any coverage or mention. Even to most hard core fans. I personally think that the Top 10 ranking technicality is voided, and does not make him pass guidelines. I will side with what the majority desires. Lekkha Moun (talk) 17:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

José Sena

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Declined prod with this reason: meets WP:NATH #7.

I don't see this person meeting WP:NATH especially as he didn't complete the sole Olympics event he competed in. LibStar (talk) 06:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect - Nothing found in my WP:BEFORE. IRS SIGCOV is needed for all such articles, and yeah, they didn't even finish the race so it seems unlikely that there would ever have been much in the way of coverage. There are a lot of other Jose Sena's out there so I'd caution anyone doing BEFORE work on this to make sure that any references found are about the same Jose Sena. FOARP (talk) 10:04, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Portugal at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics where this person's name is mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. From the "expanded" article, source 3 is passing mentions in primary race coverage N; 4 is a namecheck N; 5 is a namecheck N; 6 is a namecheck N; 8 is a namecheck N; 9 is passing in primary race coverage N; 13 is a namecheck N; 14 is passing N. No evidence of the required IRS SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 19:13, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Portugal at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 20:49, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Svartner and Clariniie: Does the expansion/comments below persuade either of you to advocate "keep"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:10, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. This is one of the better attempts at saving an Olympian stub lately. It shows a path to notability. His claim to notability would not mainly stem from the 1980 Olympics, but from the World Cross Country Championships where he finished 30th in 1980 and 31st in 1982. I have found what looks to be significant coverage about the POC's decision to omit/bypass José Sena at the 1984 Summer Olympics. [76][77] Mind you, I'm not taking any mention as "sigcov". Maybe others would have success in searching portal.arquivos.pt too? Geschichte (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sold on this being SIGCOV: Sena was one of three Portuguese athletes subject to the decision discussed in these articles so it seems unlikely that there would be detail about him. More likely the real story was Portugal at these events, which justifies the redirect (and covering the decision there). Of course, if people can get access to coverage of this decision that could change. FOARP (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you mean about "the real story was Portugal". It says in plain language that the stories are about 2 and 3 individuals respectively, and this does not seem to me like such a large group that Sena would drown out in the crowd. One story is about the omission itself, the other is about wider repercussions, i.e. a solidarity action from other athletes, showing at least some kind of significance at the time beyond the individual. At the same time, I only said it looks like sigcov, not that it is without having seen the whole articles. Geschichte (talk) 06:28, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IDK - I’ve not been able to access the specific stories listed here but I’ve read stories about it available from other outlets (eg La Stampa) and they have no SIGCOV of Sena specifically. They focus on the decision of the Portuguese officials to have a higher bar than the IOC and the complaints of the Portuguese athletics team as a whole. I’m not sure these outlets would be much different - the story isn’t about these individuals per se. FOARP (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd believe the Italian newspaper you read it in, has much more second-hand information, and also condensed it considerably because their readers would not be familiar with any of the Portuguese individuals. Domestic newspapers would on the other hand include much more detail; I can't say anything firmly about the sources though. Geschichte (talk) 21:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on Diário Popular coverage linked above. --Habst (talk) 13:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the expansion and that we know for a fact he was covered in Diário Popular. We can't access it, but apparently the article, which covered only him and one other subject, was large, given the statement in the records "Newspaper clipping taken from the box with the quotation 00220, cover no. 78B 'Preparation for the Games', due to its size, was found together with other smaller press clippings on the same subject." That is very, very, very likely to be significant coverage. I'll further state that it is not at all reasonable to assume someone like him, whose absence from an Olympics apparently received SIGCOV, would not have additional coverage for any of his numerous world championship appearances, numerous national championships, or his national records. I am entirely certain that a search of relevant newspapers (which has not been done) would reveal abundant extensive coverage. The expanded article, along with the coverage that is guaranteed to exist, is sufficient to keep. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Portugal at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics - As per FOARPs analysis, the two news reports linked above are not secondary coverage of the athlete. The story is about the Portuguese decision on admission times. We don't need to get into the fact that news reporting is primary and such like, because WP:PAGEDECIDE must be considered, and is too often neglected. There is nothing here showing why a page is merited for this athlete, and all information in the source can be covered in the redirect target - where it would be better placed. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:47, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In what way would the several decent paragraphs, containing numerous details such as his clubs, national titles, national records, world championship appearances, etc., be "better placed" at the Portugal at the Olympics article?? A vaguewave at "PAGEDECIDE" doesn't tell us anything, and there is most certainly many things showing here why a page is merited – national titles, national records, world championship appearances...the fact that we are 100% certain he has newspaper coverage – these are all things that are near-certain to have attracted abundant SIGCOV. For any American, of Swiss, or Icelandic (the countries with the best newspaper archives) in this position we'd easily be able to prove GNG for. BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  In your !vote above, you say, of the Diário Popular cutting, that we cannot access it but that you believe it is very likely SIGCOV on the page subject because it is apparently larger than the other cuttings. But the article is not about the page subject, it is about the Portuguese Olympic Committee decision, so even if you are correct about its size, it is very much a guess that there is SIGCOV. But also, I am not convinced it is larger than the other shorter cuttings it is found with. It appears to have been collated in a collection of shorter cuttings. Notice that the Portuguese you have translated here is ... outros recortes de imprensa de menor dimensão sobre o mesmo assunto. De menor is indeed the comparative form there, and can be translated as shorter. But it doesn't have to be. De menor dimensão is literally "of minor/lesser size", but is often used as an irregular comparative of pequeno. Yet it is not at all clear to me that it is saying the other clippings are of lesser size than this one. Rather, it says that, owing to its [apparently small] size, it was found amongst other small clippings (other clippings that, like this one, are of lesser size). So no, we have no evidence of SIGCOV there. Everything else is equally speculative. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with this analysis. I've been watching this page hoping someone eventually got access to the newspaper articles, but seeing as we still don't actually know the extent of the secondary coverage they give directly to Sena, I don't think it's viable to presume SIGCOV exists. The expansion of the page is also totally irrelevant, as it is entirely from primary databases and thus not inherently encyclopedic material in the first place. JoelleJay (talk) 15:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - People above are !voting keep based on coverage that they have not read and which is not directly about the subject, but is instead about the decision to bar three athletes from the 1984 Olympics of whom the subject is article is only one. All coverage of the decision not to qualify the three athletes that I have been able to access does not give any of them significant coverage and there is no really reason to believe the Diário Popular would be any different in this. For example the Reuters article on it was only 77 words in total. I do not udnerstand how anyone can say with certainty that SIGCOV for Sena specifically exists in these circumstances. Additionally, WP:PAGEDECIDE means we should redirect in any event, since without SIGCOV that we can access a stand-alone article cannot be maintained. FOARP (talk) 11:08, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The nation where he is from is much more likely to cover the event in-depth than international wire reports such as Reuters (the fact that international wire reports such as Reuters even covered it strongly indicates it was a notable story in Portugal). The description of the source indicates that it is large as well. "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article." BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:34, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  The description does not indicate that it says anything at all about Sena. The decision being a story doesn’t mean that Sena was a story. FOARP (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Thiel

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The only source for this football player is a bio from his club. I was unable to find any independent sources, including on the wikipedia library. It's possible there's something older and non-digitized that I'm missing, but I've had no luck at all. — Moriwen (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – The article is about an Australian rules footballer. Svartner (talk) 15:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've found 1 article on Newsbank, but Australian online coverage from the 1980s is extremely poor, and even recent Adelaide papers are behind paywalls. Absolutely guaranteed that there is a heap of coverage offline of a ten year player, twice winning the premiership, and dying young. The-Pope (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As per comments of The-Pope. Added another source as well. Sheijiashaojun (talk) 02:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Najafi

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Second-tier footballer who fails WP:BIO. All citations on page are database entries; search is a little tricky due to news articles about several murderers with the same name, and it's possible I missed something in Iranian, but I note the lack of any article on the Iranian wiki. — Moriwen (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drafify per GiantSnowman Robertjamal12 ~🔔 11:43, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Bresser

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Does not meet WP:BIO. Unable to find significant independent coverage, although his club (PSV) has some press releases; other than that, it's just database entries. — Moriwen (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft Not sure why it wasn't sent to draft space in the first place. Could easily be notable in the future. Govvy (talk) 20:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's more than 90 days old and therefore ineligible, alas.— Moriwen (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since presently notable. There is a huge distance between the intro and the facts on the ground. SIGCOV sources: ESPN article by Daan Sutorius and AD article by Rik Elfrink. These are multiple sources that support notability. Other items that fall short of standalone SIGCOV yet can cumulatively contribute to such (i.e. do not analyze individually!): [78][79][80][81][82][83]. Among these are additional articles by the sports journalist Rik Elfrink. gidonb (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Yuri Koledin

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Fails WP:BIO. Second-division football player with no independent coverage, just database entries. — Moriwen (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – Per the Russian sources present in the article. Svartner (talk) 16:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's a saddening case of refbombing, though. Geschichte (talk) 17:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Most of the sources present in the articles are interviews, sources affiliated with the article's subject (websites of his football clubs), a gambling site, and passing mentions. "goleada.ru" source has reasonable coverage, but I don't think this is enough. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 18:15, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability (per analysis above). If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Aron Reisz

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 01:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible keep. I see 13 sources listed in this article, seven on which appear to be reliable web sites or news sources in Hungarian and German. I'm curious exactly where the nominator searched in a WP:BEFORE. Were non-English language articles searched? Flibirigit (talk) 11:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not finding much significant coverage of the player in reliable sources. Significant coverage is only in a hockey blog. There is certainly difficulty in searching Hungarian sources, but thus far my search has been unsuccessful.

Here is a quick assessment of the sources in the article (note: I am relying on google translate for these). Not sure if this will change your mind @Flibirigit:

1,4,8,10,11,12 are from a hockey blog and are not reliable

2: About national team, not player. Reisz only mentioned in roster list.

3: Only appears in roster list

5: Routine game coverage mentioning Reisz goal

6: Routine game coverage that mentions Reisz

7: Page not found

9: Behind paywall; most likely source for establishing notability

13: Only appears in roster list

Given there is only one potentially reliable, in-depth source this article should be deleted as it doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 02:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - found three Hungarian sources [84], [85], and [86]. The last one is tabloidy but the first two seem to be on a legitimate news site. Zzz plant (talk) 12:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Frank T. Monahan

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Does not meet WP:BIO. Sources are three database entries and a brief obit from his college, none of which are significant independent coverage; nothing better turns up on search. — Moriwen (talk) 23:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning Keep, appears to meet GNG, see e.g. this, this and this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:56, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Merrimack Warriors men's basketball. Not seeing this as passing WP:Basic. Main claim is that the was a coach, but many coaches exist and they do not have their own page. Notability should be clear from the sources, but this is lacking. Ramos1990 (talk) 06:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In what way is coverage lacking? What issue do you have with the presented sources? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes GNG. Another source: part 1, part 2 ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:19, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I had a look at the sources presented by BeanieFan and WikiOriginal, and agree that they definitely establish GNG here. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 06:28, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marcelo Rosa (footballer, born 1991)

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Player with few professional appearances, most for Minas Gerais state clubs in lower levels. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Villa Nova Atlético Clube (where he plays midfielder). Does not seem notable on his own. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He barely played for the club, there is no point in redirecting. Svartner (talk) 17:22, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kotaro Shimbara

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Subject does not quite pass WP:SPORTCRIT and a cursory search did not yield anything useful. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:41, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is no indication that @Vanderwaalforces did even a cursory WP:BEFORE search in Japanese WP:NOENG or is competent enough in Japanese to do so. Just the first page of Japanese results include a full-length feature in Motorsport Magazine (which while partially an interview passes for notability), Auto Sport coverage of his Honda Racing School scholarship (also in Chinichi Shimbun), another full feature in JSport, along with regular coverage of his race results. DCsansei (talk) 04:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DCsansei Ah, I surely I’m not Japanese neither do I speak the language; so, thank you so much for pointing to those sources. I checked them, and the machine translations I used were pretty competent in giving me an English version; they, I mean all the sources your mentioned, do not contribute to adding a substance of notability for the subject. Winning a school championship does not count in itself at all, and having sources that either fail WP:INDEPENDENT or WP:SIGCOV do not help too. @JTtheOG thoughts? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:19, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely none of the sources DCsansei provided fail WP:INDEPENDENT. You could, at most, class Auto Sport as WP:ROUTINE. MSport1005 (talk) 08:02, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, the publications might not be directly connected to the subject, but those pieces from them clearly are. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:03, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Those pieces from them clearly are" isn't a compelling argument. You're gonna need to try harder. MSport1005 (talk) 22:22, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned, I only looked at the first page of results. Doing a competent WP:BEFORE is something nominators are expected to do, which you've stated you're unable to do in Japanese. DCsansei (talk) 11:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you both provide clear-cut GNG-sufficient sources to establish notability for the subject, then I am still very confident the subject does not meet the threshold. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:29, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This seems like a borderline case from a WP:GNG perspective, although Formula Four drivers are rarely notable. My suspicion is that this needs a thorough WP:BEFORE review from multiple people who can read Japanese to resolve the above dispute. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No indication that a WP:BEFORE search was conducted in Japanese or that the nominator is competent enough in Japanese to do so. What DCsansei said is correct, and I agree with the statement made before

Thfeeder (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Thfeeder I’m sorry, but your !vote is baseless in terms of policy as it applies to notability, which is what I am questioning in the first place. You’re telling me I do not have competence in Japanese but you’re not bringing any source to justify your stance. If you are competent, please bring the sources and let us evaluate, that is what AfD is about, not to caste aspersions indirectly. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:56, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - I am going to mostly agree with HumanBodyPiloter5 here. It may well be borderline, but we are not at GNG on the sourcing presented so far. The reports that he will participate in FIA is routine announcements of the kind that every racer will get. These are not independent of the subject, because the announcement is not independent, regardless of who repeats it. It is technically primary news reporting, and also excluded on that basis. This can't be used to demonstrate notability on its own. If we accepted this then all F4 drivers would be automatically notable, and there is no consensus for that. So what we need are sources that independently cover the subject. It may also be WP:TOOSOON in that he is much more likely to be notable should he win races. Is there a suitable redirect target? If there is no suitable redirect, then I would suggest we draftify this new page (and this is my !vote for now). We have no evidence of notability, but we have at least the possibility that a deep search in Japanese searches will yield more, and also that he may do well and thus see more coverage. Equally, a very real possibility there are no better sources right now. But if the page creator of this new page can find sources, they could submit through AFC when they have been found. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify Seems new to the game and has not received significant coverage. May indeed be WP:TOOSOON. Ramos1990 (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Probably too low in the "minor leagues" to gather much attention. I searched for .jp sources, they all appear to be blogs. This site [87], has coverage typical of this, but that's pretty much it. I don't see enough to show notability. Sources above are as explained. Oaktree b (talk) 13:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b What do you think about draftifying the contents of this page and creating a redirect (to 2025 F4 Japanese Championship) as suggested by Sirfurboy below? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I continue to believe the GNG threshold is met for this article given the three separate sources I've provided. I'm also disappointed by the comment in the relist suggesting that a competent native-language WP:BEFORE is unnecessary. That would only make Wikipedia's systematic-bias problem worse. That said, if editors don't feel that the subject currently merits his own article, I suggest a merge to 2025 F4 Japanese Championship. DCsansei (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Source assessment by Sirfurboy - per the relist comment, here is my analysis of the sources we have. Reading the sources deeply, and especially the first two, I believe there may be reason to expect race wins will follow, and thus more publicity, and thus draftification may be in order. I note the merge suggestion by DCsansei, but think that merge there would put undue information on that page. However a redirect to there, preserving this page history in a redirect that can be overwritten should he become notable, is a perfectly good WP:ATD.

Motorsport - An article about the page subject profiling him and occasioned by the announcement that he will participate in the French F4. Now this is routine coverage of any new driver. They will gain a profile, put out by the team, and published in the appropriate press, when a new driver starts. It stands to reason that they will do this as part of their publicity, but this would only demonstrate notability if, in fact, all drivers are notable. They are not, and that is a consensus view. So what is wrong with the specific source? It is news (primary) and it is publicity put out by the team, so not independent. N
Autosport - News report that he won the racing school Suzuka scholarship. This demonstrates he shows promise, but it is not itself any kind of major race win. Rather it shows that he will get a place as a driver. Where it does not meet GNG is that this is a primary source: it is news reporting of his gaining a scholarship. WP:PRIMARYNEWS has guidance. People are not notable simply for gaining scholarships. N
Chunichi Shimbun - A passing mention. No SIGCOV. N
Jsports - This is an interview, and interviews are not independent and are primary. WP:IV has guidance. The occasion of an interview can be indicative, however. Thus, looking at this one, why is he interviewed? The piece says he aims to be a champion in the full race for the first time in two years this season. It is an interview of a hopeful. We could only accept this as in any way indicative of notability if all drivers are automatically notable. N

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:28, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking time to look at the sources yourself. I, of course, support draftifying the article and redirecting the title as suggested as that makes sense. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Draft would not be my choice, given the source analysis above and what I couldn't find... No strong objection if it does go that way. There might be Japanese sources that come up. Oaktree b (talk) 13:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kiyoshi Umegaki

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Subject does not quite pass WP:SPORTCRIT and a cursory search did not yield anything useful. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:36, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep No indication that a WP:BEFORE search was conducted in Japanese or that the nominator is competent enough in Japanese to do so. I see some significant coverage from Auto Sport and Chunichi for his win last week. I urge nominator to do a complete search in Japanese before nominating (or leave the nominating of Japanese articles to those who can evaluate Japanese sources). DCsansei (talk) 04:54, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I surely I’m not Japanese neither do I speak the language; so, thank you so much for pointing to those sources. I checked them, and the machine translations I used were pretty competent in giving me an English version; they, I mean all the sources your mentioned, do not contribute to adding a substance of notability for the subject. Do you mind pointing me to what point in WP:NMOTORSPORT does Umegaki pass? I’d appreciate it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NMOTORSPORT is a broad indicator of what's considered notable. It's not an exhaustive list and shall not be used as a disqualifier. WP:GNG matters. MSport1005 (talk) 08:10, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GNG is in fact not met here also. Do you remember what it says about independent reliable sources that covers the subject substantially? These three parameters need to be met for GNG to be satisfied, it isn’t the case here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you're unable to conduct a thorough WP:BEFORE search in Japanese, you're unable to make an early judgement on whether coverage exists. You've stated your case. Now please leave it to others. I'm waiting before casting a !vote for the same reason. MSport1005 (talk) 22:30, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, leaning delete unless further evidence of notability emerges - Seems like a possible case of WP:ONEEVENT, but I'd need to see evidence of a more thorough Japanese-language WP:BEFORE search before committing to a delete vote. I do, however, find it highly implausible that a driver at this stage of their career would meet the WP:GNG. Neither Formula Four nor Formula Regional are particularly high profile categories (I would personally consider them to be the fifth and sixth tiers of single-seater racing) and drivers who compete in them are rarely notable. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No indication that a WP:BEFORE search was conducted in Japanese or that the nominator is competent enough in Japanese to do so. What DCsansei said is correct, and I agree with the statement made before. Thfeeder (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thfeeder I’m sorry, but your !vote is baseless in terms of policy as it applies to notability, which is what I am questioning in the first place. You’re telling me I do not have competence in Japanese but you’re not bringing any source to justify your stance. If you are competent, please bring the sources and let us evaluate, that is what AfD is about, not to caste aspersions indirectly. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. May be WP:TOOSOON. Not really notable from the sources in the article. Not enough for a stand alone article. Ramos1990 (talk) 05:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Ramos1990. Does not meet WP:GNG and at this early stage in their career, very unlikely a deep search in Japanese sources would yield anything. However the page is new, as is the career. If there is early success the sources could follow, so draftify or redirect are suitable WP:ATDs. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. If Japanese editors think they can find sufficient coverage, or believe it will appear in the near future, they can work on it in draft. JoelleJay (talk) 03:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I continue to believe the GNG threshold is met for this article so my !vote is unchanged, and I continue to object to deletion where the nominator has not shown that they've completed a competent native-language WP:BEFORE. That said, if a consensus against keep develops, I suggest considering a merge to 2025 F4 Japanese Championship as an ATD. DCsansei (talk) 05:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dirk Heylen

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:50, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The Dutch article at https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Heylen has additional references that could be added here. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:52, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The sources in nl.wiki shows enough notability. Svartner (talk) 18:58, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added some references from the article in the Dutch Wikipedia. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:41, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability is not established. He is a coach, but not sure why that makes him notable. Others have coached the same teams but that would not be enough for a stand alone page like this. Ramos1990 (talk) 23:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that you make lots of arguments not based in policy. This time, it's "Others have coached the same teams". Why and how is that relevant? Please comment more on the sourcing, which makes or breaks an article. Geschichte (talk) 09:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails GNG, Google search does not show enough source and coverage to establish notability Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 15:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kirsten Jepsen

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Contested draftification, so here we are. (Why not just let it stay in draft space?) It was draftified as only relying on database sources, and was readded with no valid sources. The only sources are a database and two instances of her name appearing in lists. These are nowhere near significant coverage, cf. WP:SPORTCRIT: "All sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". I could find no other Danish sources in a WP:BEFORE (a language I can read and speak). I'm by no means opposed to it being draftified again, but it then has to go through the AFC process, I think. Geschichte (talk) 05:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Since the draft submission process was not respected. Svartner (talk) 12:33, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I translated this article from Spanish before it was unilaterally moved to draftspace. I added more references and moved it back. Moondragon21 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have added Danish language sources. Moondragon21 (talk) 14:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They too just mention her name among many Geschichte (talk) 17:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is because the medals were won in team events. Moondragon21 (talk) 18:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the policy excerpt above. They need individual coverage about their person. Geschichte (talk) 22:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The policy does not specifically cover rowing making it somewhat confusing. Compared to other pages in Category:Danish female rowers this article is better sourced so what is the standard? Moondragon21 (talk) 23:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The policy covers any and all sports. Regardless of sport, people need individual coverage about their person to have an article. Without that, it's not well sourced - in fact, having one reference with individual coverage about their person is the minimum standard. Geschichte (talk) 04:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I only translated the article believing that a medal winning world champion in rowing was notable. Moondragon21 (talk) 14:38, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No harm done, and as I said in the nomination, I am willing to move it back into draft space. Such a medalist "should" be notable, but then again, it's not our job to decide that, but rather the abundance of in-depth sources... Geschichte (talk) 07:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is fine. Would AFC be preferred to using Wikipedia:CXT? Moondragon21 (talk) 19:58, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support a move to draftspace. Moondragon21 (talk) 17:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2003 World Rowing Championships. Not enough coverage for stand alone page. Ramos1990 (talk) 05:00, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not enough significant coverage. Angryapathy (talk) 13:34, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I added Danish-language sources which I believe covers Wikipedia:SPORTCRIT. Moondragon21 (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, they don't and it warrants a WP:TROUT at this point. Geschichte (talk) 07:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grant Scott

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Doesn't meet notability WP:Notability Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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del per WP:SIGCOV. The "SWPL Manager of the Year" is an "in-house" distinction of doubtful notability effect. --Altenmann >talk 18:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep were any searches for sources done? I found several. BBC, Edinburgh Reporter, Edinburgh Reporter 2, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, Edinburgh News, Glaswgow World, Sky Sports Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- were any searches for sources done? Yes - Q back: were any evaluations of sources done? . The the first two of yours are about "SWPL Manager of the Year" and no in-depth coverage beyond "how great a coach he is", i.e. IMHO no SIGCOV. --Altenmann >talk 20:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I did a search before nominating and came to the same conclusion. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 22:07, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which (just about) show notability. Giant Snowman 18:17, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Hibernian W.F.C. (team he manages). Not really notable on his own. Not enough for a stand alone article. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:37, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Svartner:, See above. Clearly significant figure in Scottish womens football with sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Hibernian W.F.C. per Ramos1990 as not notable and GNG is not met. This is a suitable WP:ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep provided sources shows GNG. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 11:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources must be independent reliable secondary sources with significant coverage of the subject to meet GNG. Which ones do? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Sources above are Scott's own commentary on his team, passing announcements about his SWPL nom, and other transactional-type announcements. No IRS SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 21:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to note my opposition to any merge of nontrivial content. JoelleJay (talk) 17:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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