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The result was delete. So Why 17:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sarke Studio LLC

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This is a an advertisement written by someone close to the subject. I cleaned up the weasel-word-filled hyperbole of the first two paragraphs, but then nothing noteworthy remains; therefore delete because it is not noteworthy. noclador (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just googled the company and it turns out the owner is Irakli Chikvaidze and the article was written by User:Irakli Chikvaidze. noclador (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: An article about a company, referenced to unreliable listings (mainly IMDb) of films in whose production they have been involved. My searches are not finding substantial coverage of the company in reliable 3rd party sources. The best is probably a short item in The Financial [1], which at least places the company in the context of its wider group, but I think remains routine coverage. Fails WP:NCORP. AllyD (talk) 14:28, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. All I could find was some tangential coverage in Variety magazine. Lacks RS. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 12:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 19:30, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Teresa Simas

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There are no sources; Does not appear to have done anything especially notable; Article was created by a single editor who had no other edits —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 19:11, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete sourcing an article only to the subjects own website does not show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - all the red links are a dead giveaway that this is not a person associated with anything notable. Bearian (talk) 01:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MER-C 10:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Serato

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This article is terrible and was nothing but puffery, sourced to itself. I deleted most of it and the only thing that remains of note is perhaps the "CNN Hero" angle about some philanthropy. I'm not sure but I honestly think that I, personally, am more notable than this individual.

The article was deleted in 2011 (even with the CNN Hero source) and then recreated in 2017. Jorm (talk) 19:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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As one of the main contributors to this page, I respectfully disagree with you. You removed links from reliable, unaffiliated news sources. (Orange County Register) ^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

To compare your own notoriety to Bruno's is wholly irrelevant. Notwithstanding that fact, a simple google search of your name and Bruno's name will clearly demonstrate you are indeed incorrect. There are roughly a dozen of pages of news articles, interviews from independent news sources, magazines, etc. demonstrating Bruno's notoriety around the world. Sure, he has several links to his own site - which benefit his philanthropic works. 100% of the proceeds from his books are used to feed homeless and underprivileged children, to the tune of 5,055 per day.^[5]

You are correct that "the only thing that remains of note is the CNN Hero angle" about Bruno's charity. This is due to the fact that, as you've admitted, you deleted the rest (including the links to other, unaffiliated and notable news sources).

"Average Joes" do not get knighted by Italian Government^[6] and by the Italian Royal Family^[7].

"Average Joes" do not raise over $200,000 in donations on kickstarter that someone else started for you. This was reported by several prominent news sources, such as CBS and ABC7.^[8]^[9] The community has gathered to support Bruno because of his notoriety that came about due to his charity, Caterina's Club.

You are right in pointing out the page was deleted in 2011. At that point, Bruno had not been knighted (twice), and his philanthropy "Caterina's Club" was only feeding a couple hundred kids every night. Now, Caterina's Club is feeding 5,055 Orange County and Los Angeles children that are underprivileged and from no-to-low-income families. He is notable in the Southern California area and around the world. ^[10] He's provided over 3,000,000 FREE meals to these kids. I think this is anything BUT ordinary and average. This page should not be deleted.

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Jorm, thank you for your profound interest in the great work Mr. Serato and Caterina's Club do. I am proud to say I am a Board Member of Caterina's Club. I do not receive any compensation whatsoever for my position. I am not an employee of Mr. Serato or any entity controlled by or associated with him. I was not asked to contribute to Mr. Serato's page by anyone. Though it is clear I have an interest in the work Mr. Serato does, I do not believe being interested in a topic in any way changes the veracity of what was posted. The links to third party news sources (including OC Register, CBS, ABC7, OC Catholic) are in no way, shape, or form created by me. The details in the links on Mr. Serato's page evidence facts that are mostly statistical in nature - such as the number of kids fed for free every night (5,055) and the fact he has been knighted twice - and are not based on opinions (such as "I think I am more notable than this individual"). I am uncertain how any bias would influence the data evidenced by these links. --HeikkiVeharanta (talk) 04:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - "knighted by the Italian government" (The Ordine al Merito della Repubblica Italiana (Order of Merit of the Italian Republic)) is a clear indicator of notability. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note that over 20,000 people have received this honor within the past 7 years. It's not anything really special, I'm afraid.--Jorm (talk) 20:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -per WP:ANYBIO "knighted by the Italian government" per Pigsonthewing. CNN award may also fit with ANYBIO Wm335td (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete knighthoods are way too common to make one notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:42, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this is blatant PR cruft and it lacks entirely in independent reliable sources. Being one of 20k people to be knighted is a cool bar story but ultimately irrelevant to establishing notability. Praxidicae (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete COI-riddled article that lacks significant enough coverage to establish notability. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Drafting: Though the article seems good not properly written. Needs more work then it will be moved to mainspace. Rocky 734 (talk) 04:59, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cardiff Crack

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Local nickname for a type of steak served by one restaurant, no indication of encyclopaedic notability. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I searched and found only local coverage and crowdsourced mentions. I'm sure this is delicious, but it's only locally notable. --valereee (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non notable food vendor using Wikipedia for advertising with neologism "Cardiff Crack". Per WP:PLUG article should be deleted. I have already removed the same non-notable content placed into the article Tri-tip by apparently the same editor. Octoberwoodland (talk) 01:22, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if only because of the nauseating picture it uses. More to the point, fails GNG, none of the sources actually support the content, etc. etc.Hydromania (talk) 05:44, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED. Welsh cuisine is notorious not for this one dish, but is for many others. It's never been featured in any cookbook nor even any documentary review of cooking. A look online reveals several mentions in travel and tourism guides about this dish in California, but they are all passing mentions. Bearian (talk) 01:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as insufficiently notable. Looked at the four sources provided in the article (used the WaybackMachine for the San Diego Entertainer link), and they don't provide near enough to meet the WP:GNG. The Ranch & Coast article doesn't even mention it at all. No significant coverage found elsewhere. — Satori Son 17:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article is basically advertising for a local, non-notable food product. Hog Farm ([[User talk:Hog Farm|talk}}) 17:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 17:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Earldoms of Gwynedd (fictional)

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Non-notable topic TTN (talk) 17:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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DDelete as 100% in-universe fancruft. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom - unsourced fancruft. The Baronies of Gwynedd (fictional) article is similarly problematic. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Power~enwiki: And also Duchies of Gwynedd (fictional). If possible, these two should be bundled together in either an AFD or with this one. ミラ P 20:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – sgeureka ^t•c 15:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rast (Dungeons & Dragons)

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To save some time on AFDs, I'm bundling these together, as they were both introduced in the same book, are using the same two primary sources as the only references, and are equally unnotable. Neither of them have any reliable, secondary sources that would indicate any sort of notability.

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Keep or merge to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters. BOZ (talk) 00:01, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete both. Neither establishes notability. TTN (talk) 22:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge Lots of D&D AfDs lately. WP:ATD. A merge to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters is possible. Lightburst (talk) 02:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect I played DnD for years and am still a weekly viewer of TFS at the Table, and neither of these names even ring any bells for me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both. Non-notable, per nom._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 18:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both-- no independent notability and bad sourcing. Reyk roaming (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Neither of the fictional creatures has any sort of significance in real world. Not a very active user (talk) 05:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:28, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Motorola Razr foldable

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All of the information are based on rumors. I propose that this article is deleted until Motorola officially announces the phone. jaclar0529 (talk) 09:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Move Perhaps this article should not be deleted rather moved to draft space until the subject is more notable. EvilxFish (talk) 09:18, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I'm not sure what this editor's point is in mass creating poorly referenced stubs about new android phones, with numerous spelling and grammar issues. Please ping me if this goes to ANI or something. That said, phone is notable, easily passing GNG and SIGCOV with breathless non-stop coverage. Even if it doesn't actually get released, this doesn't violate CRYSTALBALL. The only reason to delete would be to motivate another editor to recreate a better article.Hydromania (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep: The phone is now announced and confirmed officially as of today, meaning that the argument for deletion is no longer valid. ViperSnake151 Talk 06:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep Motorola Mobility/Lenovo has officially announced the phone and also released a video. So has Verizon. It has received significant coverage from the press. Even on the date of the nomination, it should have qualified to stay. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seeing as the phone is now confirmed and received a considerable amount of press coverage already the article should be kept. JayJay^{What did I do?} 21:22, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Cnet has already released material about this device. That means that people outside motorola have touched it and that the phone actually exists. Pancho507 (talk) 02:07, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities#Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition. – sgeureka ^t•c 15:27, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Boccob

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Non-notable topic TTN (talk) 11:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities. Despite the poor condition of the target article, the broader topic of religion in D&D is one that has attracted independent attention; additionally, such lists are broadly equivalent to other fictional character lists widely maintained for major franchises. But I agree that there's no value to an independent article with this level of depth. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 13:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities. The page gets about 40 views per day and is a plausible search term. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 18:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities though said article is likely to be deleted anyway._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 18:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities. BOZ (talk) 22:00, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities like all of the other deities... then we can delete the deities page as fancruft. Sigh. This is just not stuff suited for an encyclopedia. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Clearly meets GNG by consensus; no need to prolong (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Bihari sentiment

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Most of the sources refer to discrimination against North Indian labourers in general and not just Biharis. A lot of the stuff is original research connecting Bihars relative poverty with the discrimination despite the sources themselves making no such connection. It seems to be written as if it’s somebodies personal essay. Ideally, the page should be either deleted or renamed to “Anti-North India sentiment”. The remaining news sources could be merged into Bihar or Biharis. I’m new to this and used the twinkle tool so apologies if this isn’t formatted correctly. YaRaabAlHind (talk) 10:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I don’t agree with the nominator. I haven’t looked at all 59 sources but the ones I have checked are all specifically about Biharis and not just North Indians generally. The topic is clearly notable on this basis. Some of the incidents in the article are a bit weak in terms of how far we can be sure they are really instances of anti-Bihari sentiment and there are some bold sweeping statements that are probably not right in terms of tone. However a need for some pruning and rewriting does not make a case for deletion. Mccapra (talk) 03:24, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- On what basis do any of the sources speak of a general Anti-Bihari sentiment? None of them do to my knowledge. And please post the sources which talk of this “Anti-Bihari sentiment”. This is clearly original research. Also, please show me the sources that link the section detailing economic matters and how they link with a general “anti-Bihari sentiment”. Please don’t support original research.YaRaabAlHind (talk) 21:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I’m referring to the sources provided in the article. Any editor can judge for themselves what they refer to. In the case of the ones I looked at they were clearly instances of people in other parts of India being hostile to Biharis. Mccapra (talk) 23:15, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

and I have asked you to post these sources and show they are anything other than isolated incidents. Can you please post them. Furthermore, if you are aware of Wikipedia’s policy on original research then you will be aware that connecting different unrelated incidents is in violation of this. Unless something can be produced detailing that these incidents are part of a larger anti-Bihari sentiment, then it is original research.YaRaabAlHind (talk) 13:42, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I heard you. I am not posting sources in this discussion because I am not basing my !vote on anything that is not already accessible to anyone who reads the article. There is no purpose in my copying things here. Anyone who wishes to form a view on the validity of the article can just read it and look at the sources provided. Maybe they will agree with you that there is no such thing as anti-Bihari sentiment and that the many cases documented are just isolated indicents, or maybe they won’t. I’ve already formed my own view thank you. Mccapra (talk) 16:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep an article needing a rewrite is not AfD material. WP:NOTCLEANUP. Passes GNG with reliable sources. Wm335td (talk) 19:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article documents a well-known reality to anyone with a pair of eyes. Actually, it should be described as 'anti-Bihari racism'. If it needs corrections, so be it, but it's relevant and generalized enough. --MaeseLeon (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Bihari is not a race. Plus the article lead details attacks against people from Uttar Pradesh Thekua (talk) 10:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete← as per poster, this is mostly original research. A bunch of unconnected incidents termed as part of some perceived racist sentiment.Thekua (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes WP:GNG, plenty of ok sources. Article in need of a re-write I guess but it is not a reason for deletion.BabbaQ (talk) 19:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - based on a cursory review of the English-language sources, with significant coverage, it appears to be a real and notable concept. Bearian (talk) 01:17, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. So Why 17:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Entelo

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Non-notable company, lacks significant in-depth source from WP:RS, clearly fails WP:GNG. Meeanaya (talk) 06:40, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. A mix of paid for marketing content.scope_creep^Talk 12:20, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Nominator clearly failed to follow WP:BEFORE. Easily passes WP:SIGCOV. Please see these sources:

"Women in the Workplace (A Special Report) --- Apps to Battle Job Bias: Software takes on hiring and workplace practices"; Silverman, Rachel ; Gellman, Lindsay, Wall Street Journal, Sep 30, 2015, p.R.7 (here the company's algorithm is discussed as a means of overcoming gender bias)
"Women's representation in technology fields decreases as seniority increases, research shows" by Talley, Karen; FierceCEO, Mar 22, 2018 (discusses/analyzes data released by Entelo and what that means for women employed in the technology sector)
Max, Sarah (Sep 11, 2014). "Uncertain About Hiring, Some Companies Try 'Test Drives'". p. B.9. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
Adam Bryant (July 31, 2014). "Tell Me About Your Next Job: Jon Bischke, the chief of Entelo, a recruiting software platform, says that employees who think ahead do well at their current jobs". p. B2. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
Claire Cain Miller (June 25, 2015). Can an Algorithm Hire Better Than a Human?. p. SR4. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
Winsborough, Dave ; Chamorro-Premuzic, Tomas (Spring 2016). "Talent Identification in the Digital World: New Talent Signals and the Future of HR Assessment". People and Strategy. 39(2): 28-31.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) This peer reviewed article discusses Entelo's algorithms ability to identify passive job seekers who might fit a particular role for prospective companies.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.4meter4 (talk) 00:15, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was deleted citing this AfD in the deletion log, but the AfD has not been clsoed, and I do not see a consensus to delete at this time. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:50, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
According to the page log, the page was twice deleted and restored by Tone who may wish to offer a public statement even if it is to the effect that it was inadvertent - anyone can make a mistake. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, sadly, because nothwithstanding now meeting GNG, I personally consider it to be a publicity piece and that was the paid creator's clear intention before the draft was significantly cleaned up by other editors - a classic example of BOGOF. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:46, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Kudpung, in entirety. ∯WBG^converse 05:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am unable to locate any significant coverage with in-depth information on the company and containing independent content, including the references listed above. The criteria for establishing notability as per NCORP excludes churnalism and many of the references were clear cases of such. We require Independent Content - that is Independent content, in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Turning to the references ...

This Gigaom article is churnalism for their launch and based on an interview with the founder and clearly fails WP:ORGIND as it does not meet the criteria for "Independent Content". This techcrunch reference fails for the same reason as does this Venturebeat article. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2013/06/19/entelos-data-mining-surprise-second-chance-job-candidates/#3fb7a0b777e5 This Forbes "sites" reference and this one also fail as reliable sources but leaving that aside, are also churnalism and also based on an interview with the CEO, as does this Techcrunch reference and they fail WP:ORGIND. This reference from Yahoo Finance and this announcement on Globe Newswire are entirely based on a company announcement, fails ORGIND. This Techcrunch article is also based on a funding announcement from the company, fails ORGIND. This sfgate.com reference is based on an interview with the CEO, fails ORGIND. This Blog post on the WSJ fails as a reliable source but leaving that aside is entirely based on an interview with the CEO, fails ORGIND. This from The Atlantic is one sentence, fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:SIGCOV. Of the references listed by 4meter4 above, I cannot find the first one listed but I found this remarkably similarly titled article where the company is one of 7 companies listed and the information has likely been sourced from the company (para states "The company says"), fails ORGIND. The FierceCEO reference is based on a report from the company, fails ORGIND. This NYT reference and this on also are entirely based on quotations from the CEO, both fail ORGIND. This NYT reference is a mere mention-in-passing and fails CORPDEPTH and SIGCOV. Finally, this reference from Winsborough and Chamorro-Premuzic does not discuss Entelo in any great detail, nor their algorithm and Entelo is mentioned in-passing in one sentence ("Firms like TalentBin and Entelo have employed similar approaches..."), fails CORPDEPTH and SIGCOV. Not a single reference meets the criteria, topic fails GNG/WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the findings of 4meter4. Passes GNG WP:NEXIST. Wm335td (talk) 19:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per 4metre4, and thanks to Kudpung for WP:BOGOF. Article has several SIGCOVs, including this from the Wall Street Journal. Britishfinance (talk) 19:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Sports Byline USA. After two re-lists, no consensus to Keep, and a uniform consensus to Redirect to Sports Byline USA (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 12:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sports Overnight America

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Long on information and name-dropping, clearly written by a fan (Former Major League Baseball players, Bill "Spaceman" Lee (who is a long time friend of Burke's) Jay Johnstone, and Fred Lynn have appeared on the show on a fairly regular basis to discuss the latest in MLB, as has former Columbo Family Mob Boss Michael Franzese. Christine Brennan from the USA Today are also contributors. One of his regular callers is Emperor Nobody, from Oakland, California. The Emperor brings a funny take on music and life issues not just sports, and much to the chagrin of former host, Chris Townsend, tends to agree with, and have much in common with Burke, when the topic of music is brought up.), no real notability other than airing on SiriusXM. The show is mentioned a lot in sporting articles, but not actually in any semblance of detail -- just "X said Y on Sports Overnight America" type blurbs. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:58, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Selective Merge/Redirect to Sports Byline USA. A search yielded no notable sources, but the program could be briefly covered on the page about the program's content creator.4meter4 (talk) 15:27, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sports Byline USA. It exists but isn't notable but there is a valid redirect target. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 17:10, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RedRover

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Only 1 reference works for not very notable website Rathfelder (talk) 07:44, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ Delete - "References not working" is not a reason for deletion. Seems to pass WP:GNG with the sources currently listed in article, *New York Times Article, *TechCrunch and *CoolMomTech. CBS527^Talk 15:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC) After seeing Hydromania's comments and reading the updated WP:ORGCRIT, I'm convinced with the exception of the NYT article, the other sources are not strong enough to support keeping the article. CBS527^Talk 03:22, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I dont see significant coverage, though I cant access the NYT article. I'd like to see something more than "this site has been launched." The article itself has no significant content.Rathfelder (talk) 17:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Times article, "Devoting Attention to a Child and a Phone, All at Once", is a 500+ word article about the RedRover App. There appears to be more than enough information in the references to expand the article. CBS527^Talk 23:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. After looking for sources I've found: NYTimes, TechCrunch, Digiday, and a few mentions at CoolMomTech, the latest here.

The NYT article and-to a lesser extent-the techcrunch article are reliable sources and count toward N. GNG/SIGCOV doesn't specify an exact number of sources necessary to pass so these two, plus the less notable Digiday and CoolMomTech sources (which seem to be closer to blogs?) might work. However WP:ORGCRIT pretty much means "apply GNG extra strictly", requiring a stronger level of independence in the sourcing (specifically calling out blogs) and in the depth of coverage (note that the newest source we have is from 2013, the rest are from 2011). That and the fact it's an out of date stub (note that according to CoolMomTech the app has significantly changed direction) tip me into Delete. Hydromania (talk) 06:22, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

oh, and the creator most definitely had a COI. see Special:Contributions/Blipus. Hydromania (talk) 06:33, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to The Riftwar Cycle. No consensus to Keep; consensus for an Smerge to The Riftwar Cycle, no prejudice to a straight Redirect instead if an smerge is not forthcoming (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Midkemia

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Non-notable topic. No sourcing currently. TTN (talk) 17:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Smerge (to The Riftwar Cycle if necessary)... although what I'd really like to advocate for here is a marginally more radical approach. Feist's The Riftwar Cycle is unquestionably notable, with quite a bit of independent discussion in reliable sources, even if the sourcing at that article doesn't show it. Having a cogent, thorough article about the long-running series of books necessitates a discussion of the setting, but any halfway competent effort, even in strict summary style, is probably going to be too long to easily fit into an article whose primary purpose is to serve as a list of books. I'd like to propose that the best solution here is to take the Midkemia article, along with Kelewan, Novindus, and everything listed under "Nations" in the navigation template, and brutally cull the content into a summary-style article probably best titled Setting of The Riftwar Cycle. That would be at least vaguely policy compliant (per WP:SPINOUT and the willingness to accept plot and setting summaries as essential to understanding the context of fictional works) and does in fact have some reliable sources available, as there's been at least limited discussion of Feist's adaptation of Nahuatl and Eastern trappings for some of his imagery in place of the genre-standard Tolkeinesque medieval European pastiche. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Riftwar Cycle, with a selective merge of any reliably sourced material deemed useful. Squeamish Ossifrage makes a good case for a single general setting summary article that can be reliably sourced and a redirect would preserve in the article history any useful content for that enterprise. If the general article never gets written, a redirect is still a reasonable course, as this is a plausible search term and redirects are cheap. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 17:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. After two re-lists, there is no consensus to Delete (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 18:17, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adil Demirci

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Non notable journalist. One of the many thousands of journalist who have been detained in Turkey on similar charges, and no really special features or significance to this particular instance of their repressive policies. My PROD was declined, with a suggestion of renaming. Idon't see how that would help. "Detention of Adil Demrici "is no more notable than the individual, and "release of Adil Demrici" is not notable because only one of the sources is about it. DGG ( talk ) 20:56, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - he's gotten media attention in a leading German periodical. Bearian (talk) 13:21, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the case of Demirci caused an ongoing discussion about German-Turkish relations and freedom of media in Turkey. In German poltics the case get debated. --Outdoor-Bro (talk) 09:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hollyoaks locations

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Non-notable, completely in-universe unnecessary forked content. TTN (talk) 16:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to a lack of coverage from third-party, reliable sources. Aoba47 (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep and retitle. czar 03:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NCIX

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As written, fails WP:Notability guidelines, specifically, WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. Sources are almost all primary sources, and sources 2-3, 6-7, and 10-13 relate to the company's bankruptcy, which does not count as significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV). The only noteworthy item is a single data breach, at source #14, for which sources 15-16 are repeat sources of the single event covered in source #14. As the corporation is now defunct/bankrupt, no prospect of ever meeting standalone notability. Nevertheless, completing the obligatory motions and BEFORE procedures, a Google web search for the article title revealed only directory listings, SEO listings, former social media pages, and press coverage related to either of (a) the corporation's bankruptcy (initial filing and conclusion), which is only trivial and trite press coverage, and (b) the single data breach, for which repeat sources do not count towards WP:SIGCOV. Doug Mehus (talk) 23:34, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep NCIX was a highly notable organization, and as such had a significant degree of coverage given to it. Deleting it simply because a google search didn't find it doesn't count as a valid action. There's much more available if further examination is done. SuperChris (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep with potential rename to "Bankruptcy and data breach of NCIX" per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

Sources (ordered chronologically)

"MarketLine Industry Profile: Computer Hardware in Canada". MarketLine. July 2014.
Hoekstra, Matthew (2014-11-28). "Best in business honoured at Business Excellence Awards". Richmond Review. Glacier Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
Hinks, Aaron (2017-01-26). "Surrey man's tech-tip series achieves YouTube success". BC Local News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
Synek, Greg (2017-12-02). "NCIX files for bankruptcy after closing all retail stores". TechSpot. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
Shilov, Anton (2017-12-04). "NCIX NCIX Files for Bankruptcy After Restructuring Attempts". AnandTech. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Lilly, Paul (2017-12-04). "PC parts retailer NCIX files for bankruptcy after closing physical storefronts". PC Gamer. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Chan, Leon (2017-12-04). "Computer Hardware Retailer NCIX Files For Bankruptcy". Tom's Hardware. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Mooney, Harrison (2018-09-21). "Richmond Mounties seize database servers allegedly being sold on Craigslist and containing private data". Vancouver Sun. Postmedia Network. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
Ilascu, Ionut (2018-09-21). "Unwiped Drives and Servers from NCIX Retailer for Sale on Craigslist". Bleeping Computer. Archived from the original on 2018-09-23. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Kan, Michael (2018-09-21). "Unwiped Servers With Data on Millions Sold on Craigslist". PC Magazine. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Chirgwin, Richard (2018-09-21). "Dead retailer's 'customer data' turns up on seized kit, unencrypted and very much for sale". The Register. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Cimpanu, Catalin (2018-09-21). "Canadian retailer's servers storing 15 years of user data sold on Craigslist: NCIX did not wipe or encrypt servers when it closed down and filed for bankruptcy in 2017. Their customers' data is now peddled online by Richmond-based individual". ZDNet. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Paterson, Shannon (2018-09-21). "Mounties investigating claims servers with personal info for sale online". CTV News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Marshall, Joan (2018-09-21). "RCMP and privacy commissioner probe alleged NCIX data breach". CBC News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Dhillon, Sunny (2018-09-23). "B.C. privacy officials look into data breach involving bankrupt computer retailer". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Solomon, Howard (2018-09-24). "Data on hundreds of thousands of Canadians left on bankrupt retailer's hard drives for sale". IT World Canada. International Data Group. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Hopping, Clare (2018-09-24). "Unwiped servers and drives from NCIX appear on Craigslist". Cloud Pro. Dennis Publishing. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Proctor, Jason (2018-09-25). "Proposed class action lawsuit claims data breach exposed personal information of 258,000 people: Civil claim says bankrupt computer retailer NCIX failed to properly encrypt information". CBC News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Perron, Frédéric (2018-09-25). "Vous Avez Acheté Chez NCIX? Gare À La Fraude!". fr:Protégez-vous. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Banerd, Walker (2018-10-17). "Data Breach of the Month: NCIX". D3 Security Management Systems. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
Lindsay, Bethany (2019-01-03). "Court blocks class action against bankrupt computer firm, citing 'unreliable' proof of data breach: B.C. Supreme Court master says proposed lawsuit cannot proceed against trustee for NCIX". CBC News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.

Sources with quotes

"MarketLine Industry Profile: Computer Hardware in Canada". MarketLine. July 2014.
The report notes:
NCIX was formed in 1996, operating a retail store selling computer hardware and components. Its products include PCs, laptops, individual computer hardware components, peripherals and accessories; it also offers car audio, domestic appliances, games consoles, and accessories.
The company later developed a website coupled with 13 stores and a showroom based in Canada. It also operates in the US.
The article notes that the head office was at:
2-3900 14th Avenue, Markham, L3R 4R3, CAN
Hoekstra, Matthew (2014-11-28). "Best in business honoured at Business Excellence Awards". Richmond Review. Glacier Media. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
The article notes:
Business of the Year (26-75 employees): NCIX

Over 18 years ago, NCIX opened its first retail store and have since grown across Canada. NCIX, recognized as Business of the Year, is a computer and electronics retailer offering a wide array of electronics and accessories. Its also the No. 1 computer component e-tailer in Canada.
“Richmond has been our home for the past 19 years, and we feel proud of this,” said Sam Li, marketing manager. “We appreciate everyone’s business.”
NCIX isn’t a typical computer store. Its YouTube channel delivers how-to guides, product reviews, and all the latest tech news in the show Netlinked Daily. The channel is part of the top one per cent of all technology channels with over 70 million views.
Hinks, Aaron (2017-01-26). "Surrey man's tech-tip series achieves YouTube success". BC Local News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
The article notes:
Surrey’s Linus Sebastian, 30, appeared in his first YouTube video for NCIX Tech Tips back in 2007. In that video, he describes and installs a computer processing unit (CPU) cooling system.
At the time, Sebastian was working for NCIX, the Richmond-headquartered computer company. He started as a sales representative, but was eventually promoted to a management position. One of his duties was to make product-information videos.
Sebastian started Linus Tech Tips, an arm of NCIX that would allow him to publish at a lower-production cost. The new channel, Sebastian said, allowed him to publish videos more frequently and would “absolve the company of some of the responsibility for whatever it is I might say.”
The Linus Tech Tips YouTube channel started to gain followers, but the NCIX channel was still dominant.
In 2013, Sebastian decided to leave NCIX, through an agreement, and brought the Linus Tech Tips channel and its trademark with him.
Synek, Greg (2017-12-02). "NCIX files for bankruptcy after closing all retail stores". TechSpot. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
The article notes:
Founded in 1996, NCIX primarily served western Canadian residents. After building a sizable online presence and looking to expand, the company opened brick and mortar stores in the Vancouver area and later added additional locations in Ontario. Once the Canadian market was well covered, NCIX set up a distribution center in the United States in 2011.
Moving forward to July 2017, NCIX shut down several of its retail stores in eastern Canada and closed its office in Markham, Ontario. Then in November, five more stores were shut down. At this time, customers were told to file chargebacks with financial institutions for orders that were not fulfilled.
Now, all NCIX retail stores have been closed and show no signs of returning. The Supreme Court of British Columbia will hear the bankruptcy case filed by NCIX. At this time it is advised that no orders are placed due to the possibility of not receiving a product and being unable to obtain a refund.
Where exactly NCIX went wrong is still open to debate. Competition from Amazon, Newegg, and other online sites may have been too much. Regardless of the reasoning, costs clearly have outweighed revenue for some time now. For those interested in hearing more possible reasons of failure, listen to some insight from two well known former employees.
Shilov, Anton (2017-12-04). "NCIX NCIX Files for Bankruptcy After Restructuring Attempts". AnandTech. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
The article notes:
NCIX filed for bankruptcy last Friday after closing down its last walk-in retail store. The exact reasons why the company had run out of money are not disclosed officially, but chatter indicates that NCIX spent too much on retail stores and too little on improving the efficiency of its online business.
NCIX (or Netlink Computer Inc.) was founded in 1996 by Steve Wu in Burnaby, British Columbia. Initially, NCIX was a walk-in retail outlet, but in 1997 the company began to sell products online, attracting customers both from Canada and the US. Over the years, NCIX established multiple walk-in stores in Canada and expanded its online business in North America to a point when it had to build a distribution center in California to serve its customers from the US. faster and cheaper. For years, the company has competed both against traditional retailers as well as against online rivals like Amazon and Newegg. NCIX survived multiple PC retailers in Canada, which encouraged it to focus on “real” stores. So instead of investing in online sales assets (such as warehouses, distribution centers, and delivery methods), the company invested heavily in large walk-in retail outlets in the recent years, its former employees say. In total, the company used to have about a dozen of retail locations in Canada, all of which were expensive to run.
Lilly, Paul (2017-12-04). "PC parts retailer NCIX files for bankruptcy after closing physical storefronts". PC Gamer. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
The article notes:
Last Friday, Netlink Computer Inc., better known to DIY system builders as NCIX, filed for bankruptcy in Vancouver, Canada, after shuttering the last of its brick and mortar stores. It's not clear what exactly led to this point, though it's quite possible the company focused too much on its physical stores and not enough on its web business.
Some companies have had a hard time fully embracing the online sales model after thriving for some time with physical storefronts. It didn't seem likely that NCIX would make that mistake. It began as a walk-in retail business when it was founded in 1996 by Steve Wu in Burnaby, British Columbia, but started selling products online a year later.
Over the years, NCIX expanded by opening several physical stores. It also built a bigger presence in the United States, though it faced stiff competition from Amazon and Newegg. According to Anandtech, that's the reason why NCIX poured more resources into opening offline stores, rather than investing more in warehouses and distribution centers for its online business.
That said, NCIX did set up a distribution center in the US in 2011. However, it hasn't been nearly as aggressive as Amazon or Newegg in the online space. Linus Sebastian from Linus Tech Tips stated in a YouTube video that this is one of the reasons why he left the company several years ago, after advancing about as high as a person could. He also criticized upper management. Skip ahead to the 41:40 mark to hear all of what he had to say:
Chan, Leon (2017-12-04). "Computer Hardware Retailer NCIX Files For Bankruptcy". Tom's Hardware. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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North American shoppers, especially Canadians, have probably heard of or used the popular online and brick-and-mortar retailer of computer hardware NCIX before. Founded as Netlink Computer Inc.in Burnaby, British Columbia, the retailer was a brick-and-mortar store before becoming the online giant it’s better known as today. Before bankrupting, NCIX operated several retail stores in British Columbia and Ontario and a distribution center in California.
We don’t know what caused the bankruptcy, but signs of trouble had already begun appearing in July when NCIX closed all its retail locations in Ontario. Shortly after, it closed a bunch of retail stores in its home market of British Columbia as well. By the end of November, all NCIX retail outlets had closed. The company also stopped fulfilling online orders around the same time and opened a thread on its forums for users to request refunds and cancellations.
Mooney, Harrison (2018-09-21). "Richmond Mounties seize database servers allegedly being sold on Craigslist and containing private data". Vancouver Sun. Postmedia Network. Archived from the original on 2019-11-10. Retrieved 2019-11-10.
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Vancouver-based tech retailer NCIX filed for bankruptcy late last year, closing more than a dozen stores and auctioning off most of its remaining goods — hardware and software.
According to an article posted online by Vancouver cybersecurity expert Travis Doering, NCIX compromised security for hundreds of thousands of customers, whose private data — including IP, home and email addresses, passwords, credit card information and social insurance numbers — was being sold to the highest bidder on Craigslist.
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By failing to secure their customer data upon bankruptcy, Doering explained, NCIX potentially allowed millions of confidential records to be sold anonymously and without any oversight at all.
Ilascu, Ionut (2018-09-21). "Unwiped Drives and Servers from NCIX Retailer for Sale on Craigslist". Bleeping Computer. Archived from the original on 2018-09-23. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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Servers and storage disks filled with millions of unencrypted confidential records of employees, customers and business partners of computer retailer NCIX turned up for sale via a Craigslist advertisement.
Up until December 1, 2017, when it filed for bankruptcy, NCIX was a privately-held company in Canada in the business of selling computer hardware and software. It competed with Amazon and Newegg but its focus on walk-in outlets rather than online sales brought the company down.
Security consultant Travis Doering of Privacy Fly decided to act on a selling offer on Craigslist that promised two NCIX database servers for CAD 1,500, but he later found that the seller, identified as Jeff, actually had "NCIX’s entire server farm from the east coast."
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One he's analyzed includes 3,848,000 order details between 2007 and 2010, with names, company names, items purchased and their serial numbers, addresses, phone numbers, and payment data. In an updated version he found corresponding email addresses.
Kan, Michael (2018-09-21). "Unwiped Servers With Data on Millions Sold on Craigslist". PC Magazine. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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When a company goes bankrupt what happens to the customer data? In one case, it ended up for sale on Craigslist.
That's what a system analyst in Canada recently found: A shady Craigslist dealer was offering access to millions of customer records taken from unwiped servers used by the electronics retailer NCIX, which went bankrupt in 2017.
"It sounds crazy how negligent this company was," said Travis Doering, who uncovered the sale and was once an NCIX customer. "I personally feel so betrayed by this."
This week, he wrote up the incident in a blog post, which appears to have sparked a police investigation into the sale. According to Doering, at least some of the data goes back 15 years and was entirely stored in plain text. It included customer addresses, phone numbers, credit card payment details, and details about items people bought.
Chirgwin, Richard (2018-09-21). "Dead retailer's 'customer data' turns up on seized kit, unencrypted and very much for sale". The Register. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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Servers that once belonged to defunct Canadian gadget retailer NCIX turned up on the second-hand market without being wiped – and their customer data sold overseas – it is claimed.
Those boxes, allegedly, stored plaintext credit card data for approximately 260,000 people, and purchase records for 385,000 shoppers.
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Since NCIX is nothing but a corpse now, those whose privacy has been breached – any customer or employee – have little chance for any redress, we fear.
Cimpanu, Catalin (2018-09-21). "Canadian retailer's servers storing 15 years of user data sold on Craigslist: NCIX did not wipe or encrypt servers when it closed down and filed for bankruptcy in 2017. Their customers' data is now peddled online by Richmond-based individual". ZDNet. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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A security researcher has found customer and employee data belonging to one of Canada's biggest PC hardware retailers on servers put up for sale on Craigslist. The data, believed to go back as far as 15 years, belongs to NCIX, a PC retailer that filed for bankruptcy and closed shop in December 2017.
The massive privacy breach appears to have taken place after the retailer closed its stores last year and retired old servers and employee workstations.
It's unclear how these servers ended up advertised on Craigslist, but they did. Travis Doering of Privacy Fly discovered an ad for two servers in August.
Paterson, Shannon (2018-09-21). "Mounties investigating claims servers with personal info for sale online". CTV News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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A defunct Metro Vancouver computer retailer is at the centre of an RCMP investigation due to concerns the private information of former customers could get into the wrong hands.
Richmond-based NCIX had five locations in the region before declaring bankruptcy last December.
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CTV reached out to NCIX owner Steve Wu, but he didn't respond. Doering said he'd heard from employees that Wu went to China.
Marshall, Joan (2018-09-21). "RCMP and privacy commissioner probe alleged NCIX data breach". CBC News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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Technical expert Graham Williams says he was shocked at reports of the breach and worries how much information may be out there.
"Looking at other breaches of Canadian retailers, we haven't seen this scope of information of user data, this amount of unencrypted data."
NCIX was a British Columbia-based computer seller that filed bankruptcy papers on Dec. 1, 2017.
The retailer closed its outlets in both Vancouver and Richmond.
Dhillon, Sunny (2018-09-23). "B.C. privacy officials look into data breach involving bankrupt computer retailer". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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Privacy officials in B.C. and Ottawa are looking into a reported data breach involving former Canadian retailer NCIX, with millions of records – including customer names, addresses, phone numbers and payment information – said to have been made available through a Craigslist post.
Travis Doering, who runs a small cybersecurity firm in Vancouver known as Privacy Fly, in a post on his company website said he noticed last month that NCIX database servers were being sold online.
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David Shipley, chief executive officer of cybersecurity firm Beauceron Security, said if the information in Mr. Doering’s post is correct the incident would rank “among the worst privacy breaches in the private sector that I’m aware of in Canada.
“It’s almost the digital equivalent of an oil spill with a bankrupt company,” he said. “Because who then pays for the clean-up? What recourse do victims truly have when a company no longer exists?”
Solomon, Howard (2018-09-24). "Data on hundreds of thousands of Canadians left on bankrupt retailer's hard drives for sale". IT World Canada. International Data Group. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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“It’s just appalling,” Ann Cavoukian, head of Ryerson University’s Privacy by Design Centre of Excellence, said of the NCIX data discovery. “It just goes to show how poorly companies protect data, especially when they’re getting rid of their hardware devices. Of course the data wasn’t encrypted, but they could at least take the time to destroy the data before getting rid of the equipment.”
“When you are preparing to apply for bankruptcy you have an obligation to your customers to destroy the personal data … The data doesn’t belong to you. You may have custody and control over the data, but it belongs to the data subject.”
Richmond, B.C.-based NCIX, which had about a dozen stores in B.C. and Ontario, filed for bankruptcy in December, 2017.
Eight months later, Travis Doering, owner of Vancouver security consultancy PrivacyFly, discovered the data hoard after spotting this ad on Craigslist: “NCIX Database Servers – $1,500,”
Hopping, Clare (2018-09-24). "Unwiped servers and drives from NCIX appear on Craigslist". Cloud Pro. Dennis Publishing. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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“Both sellers and buyers of the customer records, allegedly belonging to the retailer, can face harsh legal ramifications,” High-Tech Bridge's CEO Ilia Kolochenko commented. “Under certain sets of circumstances it can be a serious criminal offense, however, it is too early to make any decisive conclusions prior to thorough investigation of the incident.”
But, as NCIX has gone bust, compensation claims are unlikely to fly as there's no one to pay them except those selling the equipment and it's unlikely they'll have the funds to cover any costs like that.
“Nowadays, such negligence is unfortunately not all that uncommon, even amid operating and profitable companies, let alone bankrupt ones, Kolochenko added. “Many large organisations have been exposed for throwing away plaintext PII and other sensitive data of their customers on paper, hard drives or mobile devices.
Proctor, Jason (2018-09-25). "Proposed class action lawsuit claims data breach exposed personal information of 258,000 people: Civil claim says bankrupt computer retailer NCIX failed to properly encrypt information". CBC News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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A Vancouver software engineer has launched a proposed class action lawsuit in the wake of an alleged data breach involving personal information belonging to former customers of bankrupt computer retailer NCIX.
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Warner claims NCIX failed to properly encrypt the information of at least 258,000 people. And he claims the auctioneer failed to take "appropriate steps to protect the private information on its premises."
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NCIX was a B.C.-based online computer hardware and software retailer.
The company, officially known as Netlink Computer Inc., had retail outlets in the Lower Mainland as well as Markham, Mississauga, Scarborough and Ottawa before filing for bankruptcy last year.
Perron, Frédéric (2018-09-25). "Vous Avez Acheté Chez NCIX? Gare À La Fraude!". fr:Protégez-vous. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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NCIX, a company specializing in the sale of computer equipment online, went bankrupt in December 2017. Its servers and data from the BC-based company would then have passed into the hands of an unscrupulous seller.
This was discovered by Privacy Fly security consultant Travis Doering, who conducted his little investigation after seeing the servers in question for sale on the Craigslist classifieds site.
Banerd, Walker (2018-10-17). "Data Breach of the Month: NCIX". D3 Security Management Systems. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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Before declaring bankruptcy, and ultimately closing its doors in December 2017, NCIX was a major Canadian computer retailer, with stores across British Columbia and Ontario. In recent weeks, NCIX servers containing terabytes of unencrypted data have appeared for sale on Craigslist. The seller was located in Richmond, BC, a suburb of Vancouver, and was offering servers for $1500 apiece. The seller claimed to also have access to hundreds of computers from NCIX offices.
Travis Doering, owner of cybersecurity firm Privacy Fly, investigated the sale, and found that the hardware contained massive amounts of private data, including names, addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, IP addresses, invoices, photos of customer ID, unsalted MD5 hashed passwords, hundreds of thousands of plain-text payment card details, and millions of customer orders.
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The mistakes made by NCIX are so glaring that this is a pretty simple one to avoid. Sensitive data should always be encrypted in storage, hard drives should be destroyed or securely wiped when decommissioned, and not every record should be retained indefinitely. There is no need for NCIX to have maintained this level of detailed customer data for more than 15 years. Unfortunately, when a company enters bankruptcy and closes down, they are left with little incentive to maintain proper information security.
Lindsay, Bethany (2019-01-03). "Court blocks class action against bankrupt computer firm, citing 'unreliable' proof of data breach: B.C. Supreme Court master says proposed lawsuit cannot proceed against trustee for NCIX". CBC News. Archived from the original on 2019-11-11. Retrieved 2019-11-11.
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A Vancouver software engineer's proposed class action suit alleging a massive personal data breach will not be allowed to proceed against the trustee for bankrupt computer retailer NCIX.
Late last month, a B.C. Supreme Court master described the various pieces of Kipling Warner's evidence against the defunct company as "inherently unreliable" and "bare allegations" not supported by fact.
Master Sandra Harper declined to grant Warner leave to sue the Bowra Group, the retailer's trustee in bankruptcy.
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Formally known as Netlink Computer Inc., NCIX was a B.C.-based firm that filed for bankruptcy on Dec. 1, 2017.
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Another proposed class action over the alleged data breach has also been filed on behalf of former NCIX employees.

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow NCIX to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

Cunard (talk) 01:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NCIX has received substantial analysis from many analysts and publications about its bankruptcy and its data breach. This detailed analysis about both events is sufficient to allow the company to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. An option is to rename the article to be "Bankruptcy and data breach of NCIX" but I think it's fine to leave the article as titled "NCIX".
Here is some sample analysis about the bankruptcy:
1. TechSpot notes: "Where exactly NCIX went wrong is still open to debate. Competition from Amazon, Newegg, and other online sites may have been too much. Regardless of the reasoning, costs clearly have outweighed revenue for some time now."
2. AnandTech notes, "The exact reasons why the company had run out of money are not disclosed officially, but chatter indicates that NCIX spent too much on retail stores and too little on improving the efficiency of its online business. ... For years, the company has competed both against traditional retailers as well as against online rivals like Amazon and Newegg. NCIX survived multiple PC retailers in Canada, which encouraged it to focus on “real” stores. So instead of investing in online sales assets (such as warehouses, distribution centers, and delivery methods), the company invested heavily in large walk-in retail outlets in the recent years, its former employees say. In total, the company used to have about a dozen of retail locations in Canada, all of which were expensive to run."
3. PC Gamer notes, "It's not clear what exactly led to this point, though it's quite possible the company focused too much on its physical stores and not enough on its web business. ... That said, NCIX did set up a distribution center in the US in 2011. However, it hasn't been nearly as aggressive as Amazon or Newegg in the online space."
Here is some sample analysis about the data breach:
1. CBC News notes, "Technical expert Graham Williams says he was shocked at reports of the breach and worries how much information may be out there. "Looking at other breaches of Canadian retailers, we haven't seen this scope of information of user data, this amount of unencrypted data.""
2. The Globe and Mail notes, "David Shipley, chief executive officer of cybersecurity firm Beauceron Security, said if the information in Mr. Doering’s post is correct the incident would rank “among the worst privacy breaches in the private sector that I’m aware of in Canada. “It’s almost the digital equivalent of an oil spill with a bankrupt company,” he said. “Because who then pays for the clean-up? What recourse do victims truly have when a company no longer exists?”"
3. International Data Group's IT World Canada notes, "“It’s just appalling,” Ann Cavoukian, head of Ryerson University’s Privacy by Design Centre of Excellence, said of the NCIX data discovery. “It just goes to show how poorly companies protect data, especially when they’re getting rid of their hardware devices. Of course the data wasn’t encrypted, but they could at least take the time to destroy the data before getting rid of the equipment.”"
4. Dennis Publishing's Cloud Pro notes, "“Both sellers and buyers of the customer records, allegedly belonging to the retailer, can face harsh legal ramifications,” High-Tech Bridge's CEO Ilia Kolochenko commented. “Under certain sets of circumstances it can be a serious criminal offense, however, it is too early to make any decisive conclusions prior to thorough investigation of the incident.” “Nowadays, such negligence is unfortunately not all that uncommon, even amid operating and profitable companies, let alone bankrupt ones, Kolochenko added. “Many large organisations have been exposed for throwing away plaintext PII and other sensitive data of their customers on paper, hard drives or mobile devices."
Cunard (talk) 01:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- Cunard, Thanks. I like that. This company, it seems to me, is not otherwise notable outside of its bankruptcy (trivial coverage anyway) and that data breach (significant coverage). Thus, it does make sense, if keep is the result, to rename this article and refactor it around the company's data breach and, optionally, about its bankruptcy, eh? Doug Mehus T·C 01:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, half of the body of the article is already about the bankruptcy and data breach. So a renamed article could have a condensed introductory section about NCIX's history and background and then the primary focus of the article would be about the bankruptcy and the data breach. Cunard (talk) 01:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cunard, Formatting-wise, can you think of some similar articles where we've focused an article on a particular event (or two) of a company? I'm just thinking of the categories, tags, and all of that, in terms of updating this article post-close (assuming keep and refactor is the result). Doug Mehus T·C 01:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, here are some examples of articles about data breaches: 2014 JPMorgan Chase data breach, Anthem medical data breach, 2018 Google data breach, and Ashley Madison data breach. There are more examples in Category:Data breaches and its subcategories. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 02:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cunard, Thanks! That's great. I was also going to add it to an article that includes a chronological list of company data breaches. Doug Mehus T·C 16:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Rediscovered (A1 album). Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:09, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trust Me (A1 song)

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The entire article is based on self-published or user-uploaded content. The reference links are either Facebook, YouTube, iTunes etc which are not WP:RS and WP:SIGCOV. Needs careful review. Splice999 (talk) 16:15, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Rediscovered (A1 album) – fails WP:NSONG. Clearly a fan has tried to create articles for every single released by the band, but only nine of them were hits, and I suspect all the others can be redirected to their parent albums, like this one. Richard3120 (talk) 01:26, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Rediscovered (A1 album) – fails WP:NSONG. Not a notable song, without supporting RSs Lightburst (talk) 01:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to album. Fails WP:NSONGS. Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Rediscovered (A1 album) per the above discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 16:55, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adultcon

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Lacking in coverage of any significance by reliable sources beyond routine stuff. Fails WP:GNG. Madness ^Darkness 15:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – There are plenty of RS to meet GNG.[2][3][4] These articles show media interest in the conventions beyond day of or week of coverage of events. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There is plenty more GNG on this topic: NBC, and CBS. Britishfinance (talk) 20:59, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 17:42, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sudhir Memorial Institute Liluah

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No sources since Jan 2017, and notability and advert concerns since September 2019. Article reads more like an advert for information that could be found the Institute's own website. I do not believe that it also meets Wikipedia:Notability. As no significant improvement to article propose deletion. Attempt to get through proposed deletion route, however notice contested - I am not sure what the grounds for contesting were as there is no notability, and further there has been no effort to improve this article. Master Of Ninja (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are linked to the first page, and they similar have problems with notability, references and seemingly like an advertisement: Sudhir Memorial Institute Madhyamgram

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Comment. High schools are usually notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I know you say that, but is there a Wikipedia guideline that states that high school are usually notable? Everything else about the article seems to suggest it is NOT notable per Wikipedia:Notability. My issue with the article is not just lack of notability: it reads like an advertisement, does not have good sources, and despite the notices no one has tried to improve it. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NSCHOOL. Also, if fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 18:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NSCHOOL. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Translation effort now. Drafting. (non-admin closure) MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 15:25, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alfa Noranda

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Not english, no apparent translation effort. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 17:43, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unawatuna Maha Vidyalaya

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Fails WP:GNG, no reliable sources exist. Andrew Base (talk) 09:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The article as written doesn't make a lot of sense, but I do find some sources: "The Exel Foundation helps rebuild education infrastructure in Sri Lanka" [5]; "British High Commissioner visits Southern Province " (not much in it, though) [6] - maybe more in archives, or in other languages? Will see ..... RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Strangely, the creator made a draft for this school 5 days before creating Unawatuna College (now a redirect) and then the one above shortly after. I think both of these should be deleted and the creator to continue working on the draft? - both are pretty much the same. Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to a lack of available sources for WP:V, let alone WP:GNG. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lacks RS. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 12:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lavon Hooks

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Contested PROD placed by another user after I tagged his page as being potentially non-notable. Non-notable football player - fails WP:NGRIDIRON - was not a notable college football player, and all coverage is routine. SportingFlyer T·C 14:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, fails WP:NCOLLATH, and fails WP:GNG. Almost all of his coverage falls under transactional pieces noting commitment to play for a school, signing or being cut by a team, being assigned to the practice squad, or an injury. Thus he lacks significant coverage in reliable sources defining his notability. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:55, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep subject may not pass Gridiron at the moment but does pass WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV. Substantial coverage WP:NEXISTs Lightburst (talk) 19:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lightburst, can you be more specific. Every "article" on the Google search page you linked is either a blog, an article where Lavon Hooks is only mentioned in passing, or it is a standard "this player got hurt/signed/released/etc". This isn't notable coverage. Per WP:GNG, Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention... « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Repinging Lightburst. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:ROUTINE. From AnUnnamedUser ^{(open talk page)} 22:51, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:ROUTINE applies to events and not people. Subject has feature articles in the news from his college career which is more than enough to surpass WP:GNG regardless of WP:NGRIDIRON or other measures.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We've had this discussion before, but WP:ROUTINE actually applies to the coverage of people and events - see WP:NOTROUTINE which defines it as "people or events" in its lede. (Since we've had this argument before, I'm going to agree to disagree and leave it at that.) SportingFlyer T·C 05:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've added more detail to the essay. Please don't try to make people believe guidelines say something that they don't. The word "routine" in Wikipedia:Notability (people) only exists in a footnote about the Internet Movie Database. That doesn't apply here.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Paulmcdonald, do you mind providing us with some links showing "feature articles in the news from his college career". All I can find is this, this, this, and this. It is important to note that all of these articles were printed on the same day (Dec 20/21, 2012) and all focus on him committing to Ole Miss. Two of these "articles" are from BleacherReport and SBNation, which routinely focus on these type of minor sports-focused news pieces, and one is from a regional newspaper. This is standard coverage for a single event, but that doesn't make him notable. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Repinging Paulmcdonald. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the ones you found and those in the article, here's a batch of general broad coverage: Trick play backfires on Arkansas, sparks Ole Miss (November 10, 2013); Top JUCO recruit Hooks signs with Ole Miss football (Dec 19, 2012); The Most Important Rebels, No. 23: Woodrow Hamilton (July 2, 2014); Rebels sniff out, snuff out Hogs’ razzle-dazzle try (Nov 2013); Football Still Matters: Ole Miss Defensive Line (Jan 12, 2015); Defense Leads Ole Miss To Win Over Memphis (September 28, 2014). Some are passing mentions, some provide more details. In any event, we have a broad selection of material that is more than enough to build the article which is what WP:GNG calls for. I can't say I'm "enthusiastic" about this particular subject/article, but it makes sense to me that the threshold has been met.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:40, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Those are almost entirely passing mentions except for the one article about his signing with Ole Miss. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:17, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Eagles247. And again, the only article that isn't a passing mention is about him signing with Ole Miss (posted on Dec 19, 2012), which is the focus of the articles that I provided. WP:GNG doesn't concern itself with whether there is enough info to build an article, it is whether the subject is notable for inclusion. The sources provided fall well below "Significant coverage" bar required by WP:GNG. I will also point to the last bullet of WP:GNG, which states that even if a subject is found in reliable sources, the presumption of notability doesn't guarantee inclusion. He is mentioned in 15 sources or so, with the only "feature sources" found during a 3 day period all reporting on the fact that he committed to a college. This doesn't get close to meeting WP:GNG. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, I'm not particularly enthusiastic about it. I think it's enough, but I ain't consensus.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:24, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, appreciate the candor. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG with a lack of significant coverage from multiple, independent, reliable sources. The article is generally a series of transactional/routine signings and releases, which does not improve Wikipedia. It cannot improve without significant coverage.—Bagumba (talk) 10:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment re: ROUTINE There is mention of ROUTINE at the WP:NCOLLATH guideline: College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage.—Bagumba (talk) 10:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Contemplated closing this and determining consensus, but since it likely would've resulted in a delete and per WP:BADNAC, I decided not to close. Instead, I'll add my comments. Though TribLive isn't listed at the perennial reliable sources table, that doesn't mean we can't cite it in discussions or articles. It appears to have a similar editorial process to BuzzFeed, which is. That article confirms that the subject was sidelined due to an injury part way through his first season. As such, he fails WP:NGRIDIRON. However, as noted, failing WP:NGRIDIRON does not mean a delete, nor does it mean a keep. It comes down to whether he meets WP:GNG. Of all the Google news and web search results I trawled through, most were stats pages and routine coverage, for which WP:ROUTINE is an essay not a policy and there is a counter-essay. As nearly all of the coverage was based off of his either being drafted or his injury/injury progress, it seems clear to me there is not significant coverage. Thus, we have a dual WP:GNG and WP:NGRIDIRON fail. A complicated nomination, but one I'm pleased to support. --Doug Mehus T·C 21:32, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see anything that shows he meets the notability criteria for football players or college athletes. The coverage is typical of what anyone signed by an NFL team would receive and a hundreds of players get temporary contracts every year without ever playing in a regular season game and they are not considered notable. Papaursa (talk) 00:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. If anyone wants the text or wikicode to use on another site, you can request it from me or another admin. RL0919 (talk) 17:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

World of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

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Non-notable, completely in-universe unnecessary forked content. TTN (talk) 14:05, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Tons of unsourced, non-notable, largely out of context, WP:PLOT information. 99 percent of this isn't even remotely notable within the comics themselves - this is essentially just a list of all of the easter eggs/references to various pieces of fiction that were inserted into the backgrounds of panels or mentioned once by a character, and had no bearing on the actual plot of the comics themselves. Rorshacma (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 19:34, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Honestly, I see the appeal of this kind of project. But Wikipedia is not the place for it. Nareek (talk) 11:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 18:42, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOT Wm335td (talk) 19:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Transwiki to https://lxg.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Locations - I don't think they have an entry like that? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Astara (Spiritual)

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Non notable spiritual movement. Theroadislong (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone edit it to make it acceptable instead of deleting it?—Spasiba5 (talk) 14:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should welcome new articles!—Spasiba5 (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Lack of sources either in the article or that I can find through searching, means topic does not meet WP:GNG. @Spasiba5: No amount of editing will change this. Hug^syrup 14:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Appears to fall way short passing GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a simple search uncovers no sourcing besides the Encyclopedia.com entry, which is surprisingly non-encyclopedic. "Meanwhile, Earlyne Chaney, who had been a clairvoyant since childhood, had held conversations with a spirit being who called himself Kut-Hu-Mi."? Um - no.TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable group with inadequate sourcing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:MILL and WP:NOTINHERITED. It was a passing group within a larger, ongoing movement. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. While it being a autobiography or a paid biography is not a reason for deletion, lack of notability sure is. So Why 17:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Smith Ford

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Entirely non-notable and probably an autobiography given that Special:Contributions/Jannajoos has only created this page yesterday and is just expanding it and linking all of Ford's non-notable roles (likely just an extra) to this page.

The page, if not deleted, is terribly written and needs WP:DYNAMITE, but I just don't see the notability to keep that. It's full of nonsense aggrandizement and weasel words and vague allusions and sentence fragments. And the top "reference" is to the Wikipedia main page. JesseRafe (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: not an autobiography, but per this edit summary, the SPA Jannajoos (who is evidently using her real name), identifies the subject of this article as "[her] client". Put paid editor notice on her talk page. JesseRafe (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further note: Janna Joos can't seem to help themselves on their own talk page (and is probably rewriting another missive to no one as we speak or otherwise continuing WP:NOTGETTINGIT), but I just wanted to point out somewhere that someone has been trying to make an article on Ford for over a decade, whether another manager (or Manage her?) or Ford herself. Not worth an SPI, but it's definitely a concerted effort by:

Debsford (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Manageher (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Deborah Smith Ford (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Jannajoos (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

A lot of similar language and tone used in the above (film talk page requests, user pages as articles, etc.) as found on this article. Of note here, is that all of these accounts seem to have an obvious COI regarding this subject, not organic page creation attempts. JesseRafe (talk) 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A WP:BEFORE found no independent reliable source to pass WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. CASSIOPEIA^(talk)
Keep there is time to delete - one day after the article was started we push to delete? WP:NORUSH. This is a pre-internet subject and not all sources will be WP:GHITS Wm335td (talk) 19:47, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete Wikipedia has rules against autobiographies for reasons, we need to make them have teeth.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A search yielded no substantial sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NACTOR.4meter4 (talk) 12:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trang Thach Hickman

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Unfortunately all this article achieves is an announcement of Ms. Thach Hickman's existence and brief professional background, violating WP:RESUME, WP:PROMOTION, and WP:EXIST. The two sources currently in the article are brief profiles explaining her possibly unique status as a woman Mormon doctor, but those are from the Mormon media and may not qualify for the significant coverage rule at WP:SIGCOV. I can find no other reliable notice beyond a few industry and professional listings. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom - insufficient sourcing and no claim of significance. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per John Pack Lambert. Thincat (talk) 09:13, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That vote may be a reference to a different discussion. John Pack Lambert has said nothing here (yet). ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 02:24, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have to object to the line "her possibly unique status as a woman Mormon doctor". A- this is a problematic way to refer to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. B- there have been women physicians who were members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since the 19th-century, such as Ellen Shipp and Emma Penrose. BYU named residence halls after such women over 60 years ago. Hickman is at the start of her career. She may at some point be notable, but not yet. On the sources about religion and science, being held up as an example of someone who sees these are coexisting in an article written by someone else is not the way to notability. What we would have to see is Hickman writing articles or books about the subject and then having 3rd party coverage of her published work on the subject. I want to include this article, but Hickman is a professional at the start of her career, she is not yet at the level of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but those two articles are written in a fashion indicating that the authors think she is unique, and one is written by an entity called Mormon Women Project. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 03:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The sources appear rather insular, and we have no means of gauging their reliability, so they don't contribute to a case for wiki-notability. XOR'easter (talk) 17:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SOAP. We are a non-religious charity. Any insertion of proselytism would endanger our own, specific tax-exempt status. This appears to be a very ordinary scholar at the beginning of her career. Virtually all Mormons engage in missionary work, so we'd have to have an article about each of the millions of LDS members if we didn't stop this practice. Bearian (talk) 01:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Fails WP:GNG. Rollidan (talk) 23:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. (Film, not business.) czar 16:55, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pink Subaru

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This film lacks significant coverage from multiple independent reliable sources to establish notability, nor is there any evidence that other criteria for inclusion is met from WP:NFILM. Of the six sources present in the article, five are simply directory entries which do not contribute to establishing notability. The sole source which is a review is froma site which looks to be some sort of streaming site and it is not at all clear it could be considered a reliable source. Whpq (talk) 13:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Anna Subramanium

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No indication of notability. Orphan article. The only cited sources are a souvenir and an apparently self-published book written by his great-granddaughter. —Bkell (talk) 12:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Someone should really conduct a WP:BEFORE in the relevant languages. I get hits on Google, but I don't know the language so can't assess the reliability and independence of sources. The Tamil-language Wikipedia article is useless because it's a translation of this page. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:54, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: the longname given at ta-wiki does not appear at all at books.google.com and the shortname brings up too many other people; the sources that are provided are unreliable; and the article in its current state is a hagiography. It looks like some of his books have been used as references by others, and given his output it might be possible to establish his notability under WP:NAUTHOR, say, using reliable and independent Tamil language sources, so draftify/userfy for heavy editing if request is made accompanied by suitable evidence. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 12:48, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There are no reliable and independent sources. 124Sanroque (talk) 02:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Discworld characters. There was consensus that this fictional element shouldn't have a stand-alone article, but I see that Discworld characters {{main}}-links to two characters that are only summarized in History Monks (i.e. WP:SUMMARY wasn't followed in the LoC.) It is for this technicality that I close this AfD with a merger instead of deletion. – sgeureka ^t•c 11:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

History Monks

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Non-notable fictional topic TTN (talk) 11:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Discworld characters as an alternative to deletion. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:50, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete article lacks sourcing, let alone sourcing giving context beyond the fictional works they originate in.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No reliable sourcing, and no reliable sources have been located since the citations needed tag was added in 2009. ParticipantObserver (talk) 15:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Ankh-Morpork. No desire to keep this; given the amount of content, the leaning to smerge with Ankh-Morpork is reasonable. (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 18:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ankh-Morpork Assassins' Guild

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Merge relevant content with WP:TRIVIA in mind to a new section at Ankh-Morpork. That article has more independent sources, the article on the guild only has one reference which isn't a Discworld book. SITH (talk) 11:49, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nothing gives context outside of the fictional world it is set in.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Complete fiction-cruft and Wikia material, non-notable._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:33, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Selective Merge to Ankh-Morpork.4meter4 (talk) 12:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Selective merge to Ankh-Morpork. No need to remove everything here. Regards So Why 17:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:47, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Places in The Dark Tower series

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Non-notable, completely in-universe unnecessary forked content. There is no particular justification for this when there are plenty of articles where the context of each location can be described. TTN (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Did someone recently open a portal into a dark universe filled with lists of the planets/locations of various sci-fi/fantasy serieses? Delete for exactly the same reasons as Planets of Blake 7 and all the other recent similar "Planets/Locations of XXXX" AFD discussions - no WP:LISTN, fails WP:GNG, fails WP:NOT as it is an all-plot summary. FOARP (talk) 12:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Entirely made up of in-universe plot information. There is only one source being used, and I'm not even sure if that one counts as secondary source - Scribner is one of King's main publishing houses and the forward to the book was written by King, so this could very well be an official series guidebook of sorts. Regardless, though, the only information it is being used to support is plot information that does not indicate any sort of notability. Rorshacma (talk) 15:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 15:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:NOT Wm335td (talk) 19:42, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Without prejudice to potentially merging some article content to the article for the author of the book that coins the term. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 03:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Border imperialism

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I worry that this article is written more as an essay (WP:NOTESSAY) and based mostly in primary sources. 18 of the 27 references, two out of three sources, are authored by Harsha Walia, the creator of the concept the article talks about, including 16 that directly reference Undoing Border Imperialism, the book that coined this term. Four other sources consist in the publication Decolonizing Feminism: Challenging Connections between Settler Colonialism and Heteropatriarchy, which are the base of the Settler colonialism section. This means that apparently only 5 of the 27 references are not primary sources. Jamez42 (talk) 11:02, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I agree with the nominator this isn’t an encyclopaedic article. It’s not really even an essay as it has disjointed sections that do not add up to a coherent argument. It’s a sort of book review with other related stuff thrown in. Walia’s book looks to me to be notable in itself, so possibly the entire article could be repurposed on that basis, but otherwise I can’t see a basis for keeping it. Mccapra (talk) 12:01, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — Totally agree. The article doesn't meet general WP:GNG. The sources are generally primary. One source is behind a paywall. ^[1] I read an article almost completely and I think it's someone's invention of a new way to describe (In highly biased, leftist way) typical immigration policy of any country in the world which is focused on its restriction. I also noted that there are some mentions in the news^[2] but they don't seem reliable to use it as sources. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 12:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The nom mentions a number of page-quality issues (over-reliance on primary sources, over-reliance on sources that are not independent, written in essay-style). I think they are correct that these are issues with the quality of the page that should be addressed. However, these are not issues for AFD which is concerned with whether the article should be deleted or not, AFD is not clean-up. The only issue raised here that cannot be addressed through simple editing is whether there is sufficient, independent, reliable sourcing available (not necessarily cited in the article at present) to sustain the notability of the article. I find that there is based on the following sources discussing the Walia's theory of "Border imperialism": 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. I do wonder if the book might be a better target for this article than the theory per se, but it appears notable either way. FOARP (talk) 12:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@FOARP: There is thing called common sense. A new term to describe a policy of cross-border movements restrictions in case of war/crisis doesn't make the term notable by default (WP:NAD, WP:MADEUP). At least 3 sources you have provided do not analyse, evaluate or interpret the subject (term) itself: the two from "the nation"^[3]^[4], and a Cambridge one.^[5]. It's rather embeded into a more wider research on non-directly related to the term matters of immigration. The term is mentioned in these cases but not in a way to make it notable. Another source you have delivered is a simple advertisement of the book.^[6] In other words neither of 4 sources scrutinize the subject by itself as it required per WP:GNG. There is also an alternative to a deletion: to move the part of the article into Harsha Walia one as a part of her works.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Davronov (talk • contribs)

I think you are possibly mistaking me saying this concept appears notable with me agreeing with it in some way. Just so we're clear on this: I do not think this concept is particularly useful. The sources demonstrate the notability of this concept by citing it and describing it - they do not need to do more than this to demonstrate notability. Objections to the article based on the present state of it, unless they are invoking WP:TNT (which I do not think justified as it is eminently savable), do not invoke a WP:DELREASON. FOARP (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@FOARP: I don't think about whether you agree or not with what this article is saying. I'm pointing out to the sources which can't make up a separate article. There is simply not enough of them that could make it to pass WP:GNG. I also checked out the first source you have mentioned: it doesn't analyze the subject closely either, making 5 out of 10 sources unreliable for notability. If you would have a good research on the statements in the article proving the subject's theory and reviewing these works I would agree to keep it in place and clean up but not otherwise. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 21:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - sure AfD is not cleanup, but that does not apply here as there is nothing left after a cleanup. Most of the article is just a summary of the book, including making contentious statements in Wikivoice. There is also a tangent on settler colonialism which is based mostly on a single paper. It also cites three times an opinion piece by Walia in TeleSUR, listed at WP:RSP as deprecated for being "a Bolivarian propaganda outlet". This topic is not notable aside from the author (who already has an article), as largely borne out by the 10 links above. -Crossroads- (talk) 04:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I find the arguments of FOARP persuasive. I do not find the nominator's argument persuasive. AfD is not clean up and if the article is a ref bomb of primary sources, we can fix that. Sources do exist and therefore this article merits inclusion. Wm335td (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

Delete this article does not really move beyond the expression of one person's world views with position pushing terminology. We already have an article on her, we do not need an article pushing her worldviews masquerading as a neutral content article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (or merge) to author -- The article is essentially a book review of what is probably a controversial work. The title is WP:NEO. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:14, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Harsha Walia#Undoing_Border_Imperialism, per Peterkingiron. When the primary sources are removed, all that's left of the neologism can be covered adequately in the parent article and split out, as needed, summary style. Best compromise to retain the "keep" sources above while respecting the more convincing "delete" rationales. czar 16:45, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I agree with the other votes to delete. I do not think the article passes WP:GNG. I also think the article reads too much like an essay. -- Telescopegenius (talk) 20:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:49, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Besnik Sulaj.

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Non-notable businessman. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. Some minor coverage. scope_creep^Talk 10:59, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete — At least two sources do not link or mention man. It's hard to find good coverage in English sources.^[1]^[2] DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 11:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Only source I could find was a passing mention in a press release. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Could not find in-depth coverage by reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, only minimal coverage, mainly as president of Dinamo Tirana. The bulk of the article was either unsourced or not supported by the source(s) cited, so I've removed most of that. We are left with two referenced facts: in 2013–2014 he was, by one set of criteria, among the ten richest people in his country; and he is/was president of that football club. A redirect to that article might be an alternative to deletion. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:23, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was a redirect originally and written over four times before the originating editor was blocked. Another editor came, a SPA, to work on while it was in draft. I suspect once it is put back, the article will magically appear to replace it. I propose an outright delete and a small detail in the Dinamo Tirana page, mentioning that he owns it. scope_creep^Talk 16:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep: I propose [...] small detail in the Dinamo Tirana page [...] That's a good way to dealt with it. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 20:29, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:52, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lakers–Rockets brawl

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Overstated "brawl" was a run-of-the-mill verbal and shoving incident among basketball players with no major punches, injuries, or any suspensions as major as those at List of people banned or suspended by the NBA. Per WP:SPORTSEVENT, a single game is generally not notable. As a single event, this fails guideline WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE with coverage dying within days. There are no major write-ups months later to show its WP:LASTING impact. It violates WP:NOTADIARY to go into this play-by-play detail. A few sentences at 2018–19 Houston Rockets season and 2018–19 Los Angeles Lakers season as well as the bios of those suspended is sufficient. —Bagumba (talk) 10:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:51, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nominator has it exactly right. bd2412 T 14:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment; I know I created this article, but I could probably count on two hands the number of brawls that have resulted in 9+ games of suspensions for the parties involved; "run-of-the-mill" is a little misleading, I'd think? If you look at other brawl articles which I modelled this article after, such as the Knicks-Nuggets brawl, they delve into intricate details of the altercation, and other historical games of significance seem to follow this model, which I'm confused about your WP:NOTADIARY concern. Similar good articles like that one are also primarily modelled on primary sources. I had this article reviewed in IRC because of my concern about notability, but no issues were raised there, which is why I'm slightly surprised that my first article is now on a AfD. 2506Locks (talk) 15:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@2506Locks: Yeah, it sucks when you patterned it after an existing article, did due dilligence at WP:AFC, but the article you started is still being questioned. If you can (re-)read WP:NEVENT and are able to identify later sources that detail the histroical significance of this, I would reconsider. Regarding the Knicks–Nuggets article, WP:OTHERSTUFF might apply. I havent looked at that brawl, but it might be more significant than this one, or perhaps that one should be deleted as well. While AfC met one editor's approval, AfD offers a wider audience to reach a consensus. This discussion just started, and others might have different perspectives. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable incident that deserves nothing more than a passing mention in relevant articles. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:05, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. the incident is not notable and not suitable for an article. Alex-h (talk) 13:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Declining to salt since neither title has a history of previous deletions. RL0919 (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Kastel

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GNG fail. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 10:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and salt both the article and the redirect. This article was originally created under the name of the gallery so I have added additional search links for that name above but it didn't help as much as I hoped. I am seeing a fair number of passing mentions in the search hits but nothing to indicate that either Kastel himself or the gallery are notable. Also, the article is an orphan apart from its one redirect. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:00, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added "and salt both the article and the redirect" in response to the clear bad faith campaign of intimidation with which some are trying to defend this article. It seems likely that such people would persist in such efforts if not prevented from doing so. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Those socks are now blocked, thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:40, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - One of tens of thousands of gallerists. There is nothing to indicate that this one is notable. I can find minor mentions and a press release, but no significant coverage. GNG fail. Netherzone (talk) 14:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

sockpuppet !votes

*Keep This was one of the most notable galleries in town. Admittedly, it would not be your kind of art work but that qualifies as a form of COI from my perspective. There must be a thousand articles and reviews on the shows he organized. You can't be deletionist and lazy. This is disgraceful. Booboo the dog (talk) 06:05, 2 November 2019 (UTC) blocked sockpuppetThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please be careful with your wording. I was initially inclined to read your use of "your" as an improper personal attack on the nominator. Only on a second reading did I realise that you probably meant the impersonal "one's". At least, I very much hope that you did.

Even so, there is no COI here. When I was doing searches to see if the subject was notable I found so little that I could not even tell I whether liked the subjects' taste in art or not. I found a lot of passing mentions. It was enough to prove that the gallery existed and that it had staged exhibitions but I found nothing that spoke to notability, in the Wikipedia sense of the term, for either the person or the gallery. I guess I could have looked into whether I actually liked the artists that these passing mentions related to but, as that is totally off-topic here, I didn't bother. Notability is not inherited. If you believe that sufficient coverage does exist then please feel free to add additional references to the article and I will consider changing my !vote. Blank assertion that the sources exist will not cut it when I am finding so little in Google Books, Newspapers and Scholar. Please bear in mind that having exhibited work, even by a very notable artist, is not enough to confer notability in itself. Reviews of specific exhibitions may contain coverage of the gallery or proprietor (which could be helpful in showing notability) but that is not automatically the case. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep So I got to wondering why an American and a Montrealer would be this interested in one page I created and another that I am related to about a wonderful old gallery owner... who was instrumental in bringing a show about Fritz Brandtner to the MMFA... and then I thought hey... I have Premium products in certain social media accounts and so I took a screenshot.... meaning I know who you are in the real world. Please try to be a little more objective and drop the heavy POV on art. Yes to women and non-Eurocentric and indigenous artists but BIG NO to rewriting history... :-) JOSBRU (talk) 12:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC) blocked sockpuppetThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Given the evidence of bad faith here I am adding "and salt" to my "delete", !vote. I hope that somebody with the appropriate "premium products" (i.e. admin rights) will be along soon to knock it on the head. Wikipedia does not need this drama. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amen.ThatMontrealIP (talk)

Delete both a non-notable art dealer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both clearly falls short of notability standards. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:OUTCOMES and WP:MILL. We've been over this many, many times. Owning an art gallery is like being a producer. Anybody with $3,000 cash burning a hole in their pocket can be one. This person appears to be especially mundane and provincial. Bearian (talk) 01:37, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. It's currently not even mentioned in Joker (character), so a merger seems unnecessary for making the reader better understand that character. – sgeureka ^t•c 15:42, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ace Chemicals

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Fictional organization with no suggestion of notability per WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. But it is part of the Batman-verse (located in Gotham), so I think it's better to discuss it here (maybe someone can figure out a decent merge target or such). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I would say the most appropriate Redirect/Merge target would be Joker (character), as the location's main significance in the Batman mythology is as the setting of the Joker's origin. Rorshacma (talk) 18:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Interestingly omitted from the recent movie... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:29, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unreferenced collection of trivia. TTN (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not enough notability outside of the fictional work where it appears.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:33, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge WP:PRESERVE Merge to Joker (character) Wm335td (talk) 19:50, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just a trivial location that not even Joker's creators can agree is his origin._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Noting no discussion of reviews or secondary source coverage for awards (to show them as being "major" in the region). If you find such sources, please {{ping}} the participants. czar 16:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Narmin Kamal

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The article doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 10:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:CREATIVE -- all prizes are minor. Bearian (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. She was interviewed by The New York Times ([7]). Her award wins seem notable within her country. Saying they aren't notable seems biased/prejudiced to me.4meter4 (talk) 12:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @4meter4: sadly, no. These prizes are not even notable at local level. They are handed by small communities/NGOs. On Azerbaijani Wikipedia, we only consider honorific titles that make the person encyclopedic (Honored art worker of Azerbaijan and/or People's writer/poet of Azerbaijan). We have deleted her book after discussion. I'll nominate the article on azwiki as well. --Toghrul Rahimli (talk) 19:13, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:CREATIVE --SalmanZ (talk) 21:41, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Good points were made on both sides of the keep-delete spectrum: sources exist for turning this into a proper article; the existence of this list depends on the (not yet finalized) categories and parent articles; and that WP:TNT is the best option for this topic. – sgeureka ^t•c 11:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of comic science fiction

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Unsourced. Should the delete discussion end with "keep", this may be merged with comic science fiction. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep We don't delete things simply because they are unsourced, especially lists of obvious blue links, like this. Per WP:BEFORE, the onus is on the nominator to search for sources if that's the issue, "Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability The minimum search expected is...". There are certainly sources to be found such as Rob Grant's top 10 comic science fiction novels. Andrew D. (talk) 11:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I agree with Andrew Davidson - Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists seems to be met as it's a major literary genre and the list topic could, in principle, satisfy Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Selection criteria as there is enough to demarcate between what is and isn't relevant, thus satisfying the Wikipedia is not a directory hurdle. I agree that the sourcing could be improved, especially for the selection criteria, but I wouldn't say it's worthy of dynamite. SITH (talk) 11:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a valid list. Some items might require a reference. No one would doubt that The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a comedy. I look at the editorial reviews for at at amazon.com and I see them specifically mention how funny it is. Its article begins with its opening sentence stating it is "a comedy science fiction". If the main article linked to doesn't describe something as a comedy, then a reference should be found to keep that item on the list. And if the main article does list that information but you sincerely doubt it to be accurate, post a link saying a reference is needed there. Dream Focus 13:55, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a useful list. As a stand alone list it makes sense. Lack of sources is never a deletion rationale per WP:NEXIST and WP:NOTCLEANUP. If I feel ambitious I add refs. Lightburst (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SALAT as too broad. I'm guessing that maybe 10% of all science fiction is comical, and this list encompasses all media. That's way too much. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As a WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. There is no distinct criteria for inclusion whatsoever and membership of the list appears highly subjective. For example, would Big Hero 6 really be considered "comic" or just lighthearted kids entertainment that includes goofy moments? Might be encyclopedic if totally rewritten or refactored, but I doubt that any of the keep voters here plan to so much as touch it with regards to fixing its systemic issues._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:INDISCRIMINATE can be remedied by adding stringent criteria, for example requiring entries to be sourced to, say, a reliable source saying in toto that it's "comic science fiction". ミラ P 14:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - In its current form, the list seems completely subjective. As it's not a mainstream genre, I'd say the only way such a list is going to be viable is if there's a requirement for there to be a source that lists each series as such. TTN (talk) 22:39, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't see a problem with a list like this being unsourced. If all the entries are blue links and all the articles identify them in that category then that's fine. I don't see any shortage of sources discussing science fiction humour, The Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy covers it from page 401 to 404. Nor is "not a proper genre" any kind of argument for deletion; Science Fiction Film: A Critical Introduction discusses this issue pages 110 to 111 and draws a distinction (with examples) of the difference between a commedy science fiction film and science fiction with some humour elements (which addresses one other objection raised). The argument that the subject is too broad doesn't wash with me either. The list is currently reasonably short (we have much longer lists than this one) and we still have the option to break it into separate pages by media. SpinningSpark 00:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on the condition that each entry must have a reliable source saying in toto that it's "comic science fiction". ミラ P 01:25, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - But the inclusion criteria doesn't match the description for comic science fiction. Sourcing doesn't need to be here as long as it is in the article. I don't think Quantum Leap belongs on the list. StrayBolt (talk) 06:32, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is not a tight enough definition to clearly say what does and does not belong here. Then there is the lack of sourcing showing this is a recognized group.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - At least leaning that way right now. Here are the problems:

The largest section duplicates List of comic science fiction films
the list is original research. Unsourced, and none of the articles I've checked so far have sources calling the work "comic science fiction"
A search for '"comic science fiction" list' returns zero reliable sources, and lots based on Wikipedia (never a good sign)
It seems like this is one of many ways to write some combination of "science fiction and comedy"? even opening the search terms, basically all of the halfway decent sources I'm seeing are about films (which, again, already have a separate article).
We can take any two genres and create a list of movies at their intersection. That doesn't mean that sufficient reliable sources have written about that intersection across media to meet our standards for lists. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:25, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhododendrites: Did you look at the article by David Langford I linked above in the Greenwood Encyclopedia? If not, would you please take a look (use "humorous science fiction" as a search term to find it. It begins on page 401). Langford gives a wide ranging discussion explicitly naming numerous works. Also, his bibliography indicates that there are quite a few other reliable sources available. SpinningSpark 12:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The entry is on "humor", not a particular genre, and he even says "humor is not a distinct genre like science fiction or fantasy and mixes easily with many fictional modes." It would be a fine source to use if we have an article on humor and science fiction, but it would be original research to say that this source supports examples of a particular scifi genre. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:59, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I never claimed that it is a genre, that is not a requirement for an article in any case. It certainly didn't stop Langford writing one. I only claim that we have enough reliable sources to justify a Wikipedia article on the subject. And of course he doesn't need to title it "Humor in science fiction". He is writing in a science fiction encyclopedia so that is taken for granted. SpinningSpark 17:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The article on the subject this is based on calls it a subgenre. It's straightforwardly OR to say that an entry about humor in a scifi encyclopedia is about that genre. If it's really intended to be a "list of any media of any genre that sources say have some elements of comedy and science fiction"... that's a straightforward fail per WP:NOT and WP:SALAT. By the same logic, presumably any entry in that encyclopedic of scifi which lists examples could sustain a "list of any media that feature elements of [whatever] and science fiction"? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. If a respectable encyclopaedia of SF contains an article about some aspect such as humour then this is obviously prima facie evidence that this topic is both notable and encyclopaedic. Such a topic is therefore valid here too. Andrew D. (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

... It's absurd to think that [specialist encyclopedia subject] + [heading in that specialist encyclopedia] = [appropriate list topic for Wikipedia]. Either this is a list about a genre, in which case this entry is not about that genre and contributes nothing, or we're just cobbling together two elements like "humor" and "science fiction" and then populating said list with absolutely anything that has "humor" and science fiction"? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as article index per WP:LISTPURP, complementary to Category:Comic science fiction per WP:CLN. It should be obvious that if it is appropriate to include in the category (a structure which has existed since 2007), then it is appropriate for the list. "Overbreadth" could be dealt with by splitting into sublists by medium, time period, country of origin, etc. Note also there is a parent article at comic science fiction, which has not yet had any talk page discussion on the issue of inclusion, genre definition or recognition, etc. postdlf (talk) 17:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So presumably if that category were deleted, you would support deleting this? After all, none (or none that I've seen) of the articles in that category have sources saying it's in the "comic science fiction" genre, as is required for genres. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think in any event the fact we have a parallel category and a parent article means that all of this content should be discussed together, and not just raised for the first time in the AFD of a sublist. Particularly since you're really the only one so far who has clearly presented an argument that there are unfixable problems here, rather than just complaining about things that could potentially be fixed. postdlf (talk) 14:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Now the parent article has rightly been renamed science fiction comedy. This list may be renamed to maintain consistency, whether it gets deleted or not. --Kailash29792 (talk) 15:04, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and Move to List of science fiction comedy works or something like that – There are sources that describe these works as "science fiction comedy". I added a few to the article. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete way too broad, better handled as category. Artw (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 13:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eben Pagan (businessman)

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The subject appears to be a non-notable businessman. There are some press releases and passing mentions, but I'm not seeing anything that establishes notability either under WP:GNG or WP:BIO. GSS ^💬 06:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. Seems promotional to me. MensanDeltiologist (talk) 14:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete promotional article for businessman who falls short of GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:PROMOTION Wm335td (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Based on the current article and some quick research on Pagan he is a large part of a pyramid scheme and contains enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Added information on the business group/pyramid scheme to the page. Comb4ckszn (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC) — Comb4ckszn (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep Have you seen teh page for The Syndicate. Pagan is trying to whitewash his name with this crap. Ignores MLM and FTC investigations of him, which I'll update the page with right now. Not sure why several SPA accounts are all suddenly so interested in deleting this page. 65.190.31.78 (talk) 12:02, 5 November 2019 (UTC) — 65.190.31.78 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment If that's the case then it is likely a case of WP:BIO1E. The syndicate itself seems to be of dubious notability given the current sourcing of the article. Best, GPL93 (talk) 23:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as spam. Fails WP:GNG. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete coverage is passing at best of this ordinary business writer; no accomplishments of note. Bearian (talk) 01:41, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Elrod

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Largely self-edited article about a local pastor sourced only to his own website - no evidence of meeting WP:GNG and a WP:BEFORE search does not provide any significant coverage Melcous (talk) 06:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Promotional piece. No reliable sources found. Mccapra (talk) 12:34, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Blatant self-promotion. One bit on FOX News about a "Church for Men" he co-founded. Web sites on him and his ministry, lots of pages on social media, but, yeah, I haven't found anything from a reliable or independent source that would support notability. - Donald Albury 12:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Cannot find adequate indepedent RS. Article trimmed of unsourced items, leaving about two sentences. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of notable coverage, appears to be self-promotional Dexxtrall (talk) 12:33, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - run of the mill street missionary. I'm sure he helps people, but a single story about him on an entertainment TV station is not significant coverage. The recent spate of missionary BLP spam endangers own not-for-profit status as a non-sectarian charity. Bearian (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gay Civil Rights

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Non-notable organization. It is not even clear if this name covers more than a bunch of social-media accounts. Prodded earlier but was undone by an anon. The article's creator attempted to blank it citing a lack of reliable sources, but this was reverted. Twitter followers should not count as "members". --Lambiam 06:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom, does not seem to be notable Cardiffbear88 (talk) 09:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - even though it's a well-meaning effort. The subject is a social media project of the New Civil Rights Movement, an organization founded by David Badash, whom I've known personally for about 25 years, both of us being activists in the LGBT rights movement over that time. He is a journalist, blogger, and civil rights leader. I contacted him off-wiki, and he is fine with deleting this page filled with errors, because "it is totally wrong." In due time, I will write a stub on him; Badash is cited frequently on Wikipedia and is somewhat notable. Bearian (talk) 13:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 16:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sandeep Bharadwaj

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An actor who fails notability guidelines for actors. The subject is credited with 5 appearances: one of which is non-notable we series. I couldn't establish if the subject had significant role in it. Other credit is for a video of song Ehsaas Song, which is currently at AfD as well. Third credit is for a 2019 film, Sridevi Bungalow. In this film, the subject doesnt have a significant/lead role unlike as stated in the film's article. The subject had lead role only in two films (from 2016). Thus failing notability criteria for actors.

The only (and little) coverage for the subject in reliable sources was about the 2016 films. That coverage was not in-depth either. After that, no coverage can be found. In short subject lacks significant coverage. Hence failing general notability criteria as well.

On a side note, the article was created by sockpuppet who's master was blocked a while ago, but it is borderline for speedy. The SPI can be found here. The history is muddled with contributions by socks. —usernamekiran(talk) 05:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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comment @Britishfinance: erm... The master was blocked in Nov 2015 :) —usernamekiran(talk) 05:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Usernamekiran, then we are at WP:G5; do you want to tag it or will I? thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 09:22, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've checked it and posted the G5 on this - good spot! Britishfinance (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The G5 was delined due to other editors working on this article, however, most of which seem to be other blocked socks of this master (quite a list of socks they had). I guess we will just complete the AfD. Britishfinance (talk) 14:13, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Britishfinance: sorry for the delayed reply. I was offline. And that was the exact reason why I said it was borderline G5 candidate :) Anyways, with notability issue, going through an AfD is better in regards of future re-creations. —usernamekiran(talk) 17:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Usernamekiran, having looked at it, I am not sure it is so borderine (outside of the sock, the other edits of "material" content are also blocked socks; almost all other edits are mechanical). Good spot however, and surprised that it existed for so long! Britishfinance (talk) 18:02, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Britishfinance: yeah. I am surprised about that too. Especially given the fact that it was deleted just 1-2 days ago under G5. At that time, creation log was not live, but you can see in the log that Bbb23 deleted it under G5, and 4 days later, it was marked as patrolled/reviewed. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:08, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete Actor who has only one notable role/film, with limited coverage. No other sources exist. While article can be slightly improved, not sure if it's warranted. TheOneWorkingAccount (talk) 18:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. No agreement and minimal participation after two relists. RL0919 (talk) 04:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Football International

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Fails the general notability guideline. Part of an ongoing cleanup campaign of conflict-of-interest editing in international Australian rules football articles. I'm AfDing this rather than PRODing because a couple of sources mention the organisation - however, these mentions are not substantial and the articles focus on the sport of Footy 9s rather than the organisation behind it. – Teratix ₵ 04:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: While there has been COI and promotional editing, I have added some sources that I think demonstrate the organisation does meet WP:GNG and the article can hopefully be further improved from here. Possibly some of the multiple articles created by this editor should be merged/re-directed? Melcous (talk) 01:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Melcous: thanks for adding more sources, but none of them give the organisation more than a passing mention. – Teratix ₵ 06:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There is disagreement if the provided sources present significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. To avoid a future AfD, I recommend editors to strengthen the article with the found sources. – sgeureka ^t•c 09:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ultra Magnus

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Redirect to List of Autobots where there are multiple mentions of this character. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources found. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep question mark? Heh... Kind of borderline, but there is coverage of him out there. The article may not appropriately reflect that, but the coverage just needs to WP:NEXIST per the Notability test. It's also a bit tricky when it comes to these transformers since there is so much cross-media possibility and so many variations... Does that make it easier or harder to establish notability? Anyway, that's a separate discussion. Here are some examples of coverage:

Review from a major Philippine newspaper/outlet that also goes into his history
BleedingCool review of a toy
His movie death has been covered by a few places regarding what it was and what it might have been by io9/Gizmodo and by Den of Geek among other places.
Den of Geek also covered how his toy and character actually came about in the first place.
He's also in a CBR list of most powerful autobots. (Yes... a Top X list... that's why it's last here.) --2pou (talk) 21:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Looking through the links 2pou found, I agree, WP:GNG has been met. Dream Focus 11:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Redirect I do not agree GNG has been met. The references are very short and do not satisfy the "significant coverage" criteria in WP:GNG. Some of them aren't necessarily about the character so much as the movie they appear in. Simply not independently notable._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has multiple reliable sources coverage as detailed above so deletion is not needed in this case, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I tagged the article for excessive use of non free images, these cant be decorative. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:03, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I removed two of the images. JIP | Talk 10:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep — IMO no significant sources coverage is given, even though there are some citations present. As per 2pou (those sources aren't used in fact) I believe that it must be kept but shortened and rewritten from a non-fictional perspective. We also may spare it by moving to Transformers article or related one. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 11:48, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the reliable sources. Passes WP:N Wm335td (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I reviewed sources 2pou provides, but reviews of a toy can make the toy notable but not the fictional character. And mentions in passing like few sentences about his death scene cut from a movie are still pretty much trivial coverage that fails in-depth requirement. All of this stuff is better severed to readers at https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ultra_Magnus_(G1) not here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The article is about the toy as well as the fictional character, and should we be promoting sites with advertising directed at children? Atlantic306 (talk) 22:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

John Lee Dumas

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The references provided do not provide substantial coverage of the subject so WP:BIO does not appear to be met. Note that all the Forbes links are forbes.com/sites/ which are not reliable sources. SmartSE (talk) 20:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment even though this article has a promotional feel, the references include Inc, and NBC, and US News and World Report with mentions. This will require me to do some more work. Wm335td (talk) 20:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- One interview (that provides no biographical information about him) and being included in two list articles [8] [9] does not constitute substantial coverage. SmartSE (talk) 21:54, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- Delete ... added ref to MSNBC interview and others; removed Forbes contributors links.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Eloquent Peasant: Which sources demonstrate WP:BIO is met? That MSNBC interview is the same one I linked to above. SmartSE (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This piece seems to be about a non-notable subject. Lots of puffery from accounts that seem suspect in terms of having an undisclosed COI (looking at edit history, every time this piece seems to come up for discussion, a random user starts vigorously defending it and adding a zillion sources, many of which are later removed.) I don't see the notability criteria of WP:BIO being met here. I simply do not see sources that are significant enough and have enough real editorial oversight. Lots of Inc/Forbes/bloggy-clickfarm type stuff here. Not sure this person justifies an article as opposed to subject's inclusion on perhaps a list, if that.173.227.22.136 (talk) 04:57, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Many sources are blog or promotional content done by marketing teams but not journalists. Inherently self-promotional article on Wikipedia from the look of it. Article seems more like thinly veiled marketing piece as opposed to a legitimate Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.169.45.4 (talk) 02:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable subject. Does not meet WP:BLP. Sourcing does not meet WP:BIO.2600:387:8:7:0:0:0:85 (talk) 18:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Barkeep49: Isn't 4 deletes and no keeps a clear consensus? SmartSE (talk) 10:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Smartse, three of those were by editors who had never participated in AfD and had generally not participated in discussions before. Weighing their !vote was tricky and as such I decided there was little harm in a relist. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 12:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it is high time we rid Wikipedia of needlessly promotional cruft.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JGHowes ^talk 03:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PsychAlive

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Defunct website with very poor references. Doesnt appear to be notable, but the Glendon Association, which seems to be behind it still exists, and might possibly be notable, though most of the online references seem to be written by Dr. Lisa Firestone, who is part of it. Rathfelder (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- Dearth of quality, independent sources, issues outstanding since 2010 apparently. Independent search (admittedly a quick one) did not yield any either. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 09:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I did find a few peer reviewed journal articles that cite papers from PsychAlive and I did find several doctoral theses that do as well. Given its use in academia I would have been inclined towards keep if there had been even one good independent reference on the website. However, I didn't find any RS on the website itself.4meter4 (talk) 13:05, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This subject does not rise to the level of encyclopedic coverage. bd2412 T 20:22, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Miami Coalition of Christians and Jews

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Organization is a non-notable chapter (as per wp:ORG, specifically wp:BRANCH) of the former National Conference for Community and Justice, now National Federation for Just Communities. I haven't found any significant sources. I don't think there's anything here that deserves merging into either article. Also nominating the following article, another non-notable chapter:

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Keep per WP:BEFORE. A number of independent sources come out of the woodwork[10] if one searches for them, especially under the acronym MCCJ. StonyBrook (talk) 17:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. @StonyBrook: I did see various news articles like that. I fail to see how they demonstrate the subjects' notability. In the one article you linked, for example, the MCCJ is mentioned in one line out of 65 paragraphs: They got a single quote from a rabbi who works with the organization, hardly "significant coverage" per WP:ORGCRIT. I've yet to find a news article actually focusing on the organization that is neither 1) a straight-up press release nor 2) noting the fact that they're giving out a community engagement award. Ignatz mice•talk 21:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I count 2 mentions in 36 paragraphs, but I guess we count differently. Not including captions. StonyBrook (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, they quote rabbi twice. I just re-counted and got 71 newlines, but agreed on the point that news articles break things into way more paragraphs than other sources do. Ignatz mice•talk 22:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep " Miami Coalition", I agree with StonyBrook, it looks as though this organization - which has been around since the Roosevelt administration - needs improvement, not deletion.Strandvue (talk) 12:34, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not trying to be annoying, but do you have policy reasons to support your opinion, besides "it's been around for a long time"? I'm specifically wondering if you can find sources that are "specific, independent, reliable, secondary" (per wp:ORGCRIT) that demonstrate notability. I haven't been able to. Ignatz mice•talk 23:59, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[11], [12], [13], lots more in the Miami Herald, although the public access archive only appears to go back a few years. Better archive searches will undoubtedly produce more sources.Strandvue (talk) 13:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link 2: An obit for a former MCCJ director. MCCJ mentioned a few times, nothing that demonstrates notability.

Link 3: Another obit for the same person. MCCJ featured more prominently, enough to be used as a decent reference in an article, but I'm not convinced it demonstrates notability.

Link 4: A gussied-up press release. "Here is an event that will happen in the community!" Nothing demonstrates notability.

See my comment below; just because an organization is mentioned in news articles does not mean it is notable. Ignatz mice•talk 21:19, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia Inclusive Communities does gets at least some local coverage [14], but does not come up in a search of the Washington Post, where I would expect to find important Virginia civic organizations. On the other hand, the Richmond Times-Dispatch offers deep coverage of VIC [15], so I suggest Keep.Strandvue (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You say that the RTD offers "deep coverage" on VCIC. Here's the first result in that Google link you posted. Note the URL and the text at the bottom of the article: "This feature [...] is brought to you by the featured organization". Not an independent source, therefore fails to demonstrate notability.

Here's the second Google hit. An opinion column by a VCIC steering committee. Not independent.

The third hit. A profile of the organization's president. As with MCCJ, there's enough info here to use it as a reference but I don't believe the profile demonstrates notability of the VCIC itself.

The fourth. An editorial, three paragraphs long, congratulating awardees of a VCIC award.

Fifth. A column by the VCIC's president.

All of these articles are either not independent or are wp:TRIVIALCOVERAGE of the subject. The fact that the organization exists, and has been mentioned in scores of newspaper articles and columns, does not demonstrate notability if those articles are not substantial, explicitly about the organization, and independent of the organization. I'm not trying to be flippant here, but an honest question: Can you make an argument that the links you posted demonstrate notability under wp:ORGCRIT, or can you find a source that does? Because I don't think they do. Ignatz mice•talk 21:19, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the article needs improvement, not AfD. Wm335td (talk) 19:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. After a re-list, there was no consensus to Delete (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Francis E. Dec

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Previously deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis E. Dec (2nd nomination). Opening an AfD rather than tagging with G4 given that:

The AfD was over 6 years ago
As a non-admin, I cannot see how similar the content is
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Weak delete As a fan of Francis E. Dec's writings, I really wanted to keep this one, but the sources I could find didn't convince me that he meets GNG. The book cited in the article is definitely substantive coverage, and this book by Donna Kossy also covers him, although I don't know to what extent. Our article on Kossy calls it "the first biography of Francis E. Dec", so if we trust that, it's probably reasonably detailed. But those two sources seem to be all there is outside of zines, fansites and blogs. So I'll have to go with delete unless more sources turn up. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 19:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Kooks has a 5 page chapter on him (note that it's a large format book, 8.5 x 11). I can't access any of the content, though. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 12:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I was skeptical at first, but Google turned up 70,800,000 results - among them was the book "The Technical Delusion: Electronics, Power, Insanity" by Jeffrey Sconce, published in 2019 by Duke University Press which cited Dec well over 10x. That tells us there is long term encyclopedic value in keeping and expanding the article. There is an article in Medium (website) but I'm not all that familiar with the source. There is also this book and this one, both of which cite the WP article about him, and that tells me we need to make sure the article is accurate. Just my nickel's worth. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adding another citation: Amiran, Eyal. "THE PORNOCRATIC BODY IN THE AGE OF NETWORKED PARANOIA." Cultural Critique, no. 100, 2018, p. 134+. Gale OneFile: Health and Medicine, [16]

Medium is a blog site, and those two books seem to be generated by bots that scrape Wikipedia articles. The Technical Delusion is definitely a good source though, and I've put in a request at WP:RX for the Kossy book I mentioned above... if its coverage of Dec is substantial I might change my vote. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 21:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He might be worth some discussion in an article on the mentioned book, but he is not notable enough to justify a stand alone article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I believe he meets GNG based on being profiled in the Sconce book and the multiple other sources noted by Sconce. This is one of those folks who falls into the pre-Google age as far as sources go, but he definitely was a high profile lunatic in his time. I’m finding limited caselaw on him, but google scholar popped up two appeals that were denied, can’t find the lower court cases, though: [17] Someone transcribed his legal appeals here. I don’t have access to paid legal databases, but he did seek cert at the US Supreme Court in 1961-62 and it was denied twice. There’s an off-wiki article on him that might have been a previously deleted one here that maybe folks can check the sources on. He seems to have had a brief cult following noted here Montanabw^(talk) 18:23, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notable enough on a quick Google search, I believe that more reliable sources will be found upon deeper digging. SerTanmay (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bombshell (Transformers)

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Non-notable character TTN (talk) 01:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep passes WP:GNG with WP:RS Lightburst (talk) 21:59, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly have no idea about either guideline. You just said the same thing on another AfD with nearly 100% primary sources. TTN (talk) 22:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your nomination rationale is lazy and your WP:BEFORE is lacking. You should study the issue before making disruptive nominations. Lightburst (talk) 22:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neither has anything to do with your inability to actually tell what makes a reliable source. It seems you're just stating a generic contrary opinion because you dislike my methods, so your opinion will hopefully be discounted as pointless. TTN (talk) 22:11, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful not to attack the !voter - it starts to feel like a WP:PA. Your nomination has already been discounted by me but I imagine others may come along to defend your non-existent rationale. I participate on many AfDs and occasionally I encounter a nominator that attacks the participants and bludgeons editors. I have other important work to do here, so best of luck to you on your nominations. Lightburst (talk) 22:16, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will call out nonsense when I see it. You say the nomination is lacking, but only refute it with a nonsensical rebuttal you have yet to back up with even the slightest justification. I can perfectly respect an inclusionistic mindset when one is willing to argue based on actual standards, but not someone who uses them as a shield for their unsupported opinions. TTN (talk) 22:20, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. No in-depth coverage, mentions in passing, usual fancruft. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:49, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom and Piotrus. Non-notable character that is, as with most of the Transformers articles, fancruft. Don't see any "clear" pass of GNG anywhere._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 18:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect to List of Decepticons. The proposed target article only has a single reference for dozens of characters. This isn't notable enough for a stand alone article, but is noteworthy within the series. Any added references for the list would be a net gain. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:23, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Switching my opinion to Delete. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WOW! This was the 25th most unfortunately named Transformer – "he ain’t no Marilyn Monroe by Earth standards"! Seriously, Lightburst, this vote was lazy and embarrassing, which of the sources here satisfy GNG??? It's not our job to have separate articles for every item in "Transformers: The Ultimate Guide". Stop reflexively claiming GNG when none of the sources are independent of the appearances and its fancruft and none remotely have substantive content establishing its own notability. Maybe find something halfway there when you put this on your inclusionist canvassing page? Reywas92^Talk 20:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, clearly not notable. Wikisaurus (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not a single one of these characters is notable outside the Transformers universe. In fact, they aren't all that notable within that universe. If there is an appropriate list article, a redirect would be appropriate, but short of that, delete is the way to go. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The sources provided on the page, and found upon searches, are not sufficient enough to count as reliable sources that denotes notability on this non-notable character. I am personally not in favor of Redirecting minor characters like this to the various "List of...." Transformers character lists, as those lists are pretty big messes and should, ideally, be limited to the actually notable examples. Of which, this character is certainly not included among. Rorshacma (talk) 18:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 17:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fox Amoore

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Hate to do this since I actually really like Foxes and Peppers' music, but literally every source in this article is WP:PRIMARY or just tangential mentions. His albums were small independent releases mostly sold at furry cons. He hasn't charted a single. Mainstream media has paid him no attention. While he's worked with some notable people on his music, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. 5,000 sales of an album is nothing, despite the fact that I enjoy the music. A WP:BEFORE found nothing of note on Gnews, Gbooks, or regular Google, just sites selling his music, YouTube uploads, social media, and the like. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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None of the references in the article at present seem to be reliable and there is no bio or reviews on AllMusic, haven't done a full search yet, imv Atlantic306 (talk)
Delete a non-notable musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I could no quality sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 17:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We Got Love (The Real Thing song)

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not seeing how this meets WP:NSINGLE Laun chba ller 01:39, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: fails WP:NSONG, and the only reason for the article's existence is because the creator has been trying to create articles for every song written by Lynsey de Paul, however obscure the song. Didn't chart anywhere and there is no in-depth coverage of the song, as it was released well after the group's 1970s heyday and just before their brief resurgence in 1986 with remixed versions of their biggest hits. As it was a stand-alone single, there is no parent album to redirect to – I would be open to a redirect to The Real Thing (UK band), but with so many other songs called "We Got Love" by other artists and given the obscurity of this track, I wonder whether it would be worth it. Richard3120 (talk) 19:03, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Richard3120.4meter4 (talk) 13:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. With 2 deletes and 1 weak keep, and a request being made to the original author for sources, I would go with a SoftDelete here. If someone feels terribly wronged, I'll undelete it without arguments. Lourdes 13:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Nay Pyi Taw season

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This page fails WP:NSEASONS due to the fact that the team didn't play in the top tier of Myanmar football. I would also like to nominate these two pages for the fact that it might pass WP:NSEASONS with the team in that time being in the top league, the quality of the page is terrible.

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 14:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ (Change to ~~Delete~~; Change to Weak Keep) - It's a big club in a town of 1 million people. The season has widespread coverage in major national newspapers; sources should be request to the original author. We certainly won't say Arsenal's or Machester United's season is not notable. 2100s (talk) 19:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @2100s: That is because Arsenal and Manchester United is notable enough as they play in the top league which would be easy enough to satisfy the WP:NSEASONS agreement. Here though, the league is in second tier during the 2016 and 2017 season which might be a struggle to find resources that relate for this team. HawkAussie (talk) 22:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks for your research. Then, they should be deleted. 2100s (talk) 23:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, after reading WP:NSEASONS, I am not sure. It doesn't say Lower Leagues aren't notable; it says they may be notable depending on sources. I believe if there are enough fans coming here and start editing, then it can most likely meet notability criteria. For example, 2006–07 Juventus F.C. season is an article even though it's in lower league. WP:NSPORT says leagues in US states are notable. If we use that as a guide, the population of Naypyitaw exceeds many US States. They're some coverage on local newspaper. I am sure this article can meet notability criteria if someone is serious enough. But the problem is whether we'll have that one. 2100s (talk) 23:33, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 07:52, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2016–17 Cultural y Deportiva Leonesa season

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Nominating this page for WP:NSEASONS as they played in the third tier of Spanish football. HawkAussie (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 14:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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