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Azerbaijan

Qılınclı, Lachin

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Originally prodded by Dlthewave in 2021, and deprodded by Lugnuts. There is nothing at the location given in the article, nor could I find anything with this name for miles around it. The source is a list of place-names, but in this area (i.e., the area occupied by the Armenians for decades until they were thrown out in the 2020 war) claims to land are quite sensitive and political.

From what I can see this is really part of the village of Qarıqışlaq (AKA Garigishlag) which does actually exist, so a redirect there makes sense. FOARP (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Azerbaijan. FOARP (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment From the document that is already sourced on the page, it appears that there is a larger level administrative division known as Qarıqışlaq, which is referred to as a village (kənd) in that document, which contains 4 other lower-level administrative division, also known as a village (kənd) in that document. The ledger at the top states that there are 49 administrative territorial districts (47 villages, 1 city and 1 town), but 127 territorial districts (125 villages, 1 city, 1 town). It seems that for some purposes Qarıqışlaq is now considered the broader 'administrative territorial district'. It states "Qarıqışlaq village return" and then lists the 4 villages Qarıqışlaq, Qılınclı, Soyuqbulaq, and Zeyvə (which all have distinct "KODLAR" numbers).

Currently, these all have separate Wikipedia articles (Soyuqbulaq, Lachin, Zeyvə, Lachin). From what I can tell from the Amrenian/Azerbaijani language versions of those two articles is that they had a significant population (800+) in 1907/1908.

The Azerbaijani version of the article [1] (which of course isn't neutral on matters of geography, but important to get a sense for what the locality actually is) states that the village had a population of 82 in 1907-1908. I found this Youtube video by a pro-Azerbaijani [2] which seems to depict the area that constitutes the settlement.

I definitely think this is a distinct settlement than Qarıqışlaq, so a redirect is inappropriate. Perhaps a merge, but I don't know the exact details of the administrative divisions of Azerbaijani geography. Katzrockso (talk) 19:47, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What information would there be for a merge? This article is simply a name and a location (at which nothing can be seen). We cannot just use the Azeri Wiki article as a source, nor the table that is cited to Wikicommons and clearly isn't from 1908 that they use in that article. Soyuqbulaq, Lachin is cited to GNS, which is unreliable according to RSN. Ditto Zeyvə, Lachin. Probably they should all just be redirected to Qarıqışlaq and, at most, just listed there as locations within its boundaries. If you want to call that a merge I'm OK with that. FOARP (talk) 20:27, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't suggest that these are sources, I used the Azerbaijani wiki to get an idea of the information that exists for this locality - we don't even know what the Armenian name . The table is obviously a reproduction of some source that provided the information, unless you're alleging that the information is made up. The Wiki also specifically cites 82 to the source "Dictionary of Toponyms of Armenia and Adjacent Regions".

Poke around the different language versions and you will see a variety of sources; the Arabic wiki cites a book "Directory of socio-economic characteristics of the administrative-territorial units of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh". The Crimean Tatar wiki cites 4 different sources. We don't have any information to expand upon the article right now, probably because none of us can access the sources in various languages (Russian, Armenian, Azerbaijani) to verify the information on the other Wikipedias, but we have strong reason to believe that these sources exist under WP:NEXIST.

"Probably they should all just be redirected to Qarıqışlaq and, at most, just listed there as locations within its boundaries" <- I completely reject this suggestion. I made the suggestion for a merge at the beginning of writing my comment before I did significantly more research to understand the complexities of the administrative divisions of Azerbaijan. I think that the organization of the villages in the document best points to the fact that Qarıqışlaq may be the largest currently populated village in the area, hence why it is the "administrative territorial district". Our article Qarıqışlaq calls it a village, unless we want to change the scope of the article to be that of the "administrative territorial district" and then list that the administrative territorial district contains 4 villages, it would be inappropriate to say that these localities (which do exist as separate villages according to the document we already have cited in the Wikipedia article) are "locations within its boundaries". Whether or not each of these villages should have a separate article is the relevant question; Qarıqışlaq would have an article in virtue of functioning both as an administrative district and an administrative territorial district (the terms used in the government document), but if it were to serve as the merge target, the scope of the article would need to be changed, as in the government document in question, Qarıqışlaq is listed under the Qarıqışlaq village return section, indicating that it is a village within the broader 'administrative territorial district'. Katzrockso (talk) 20:52, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be silly to list the existence of villages within an administrative district that we know do not actually exist right now, because we can see that they don't exist. FOARP (talk) 07:47, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"We can see that they don't exist" how? Looking at satellite footage from unreliable coordinates is not evidence that anything doesn't exist. We have a government document listing the village. There are passing mentions of this village in media (I have seen video footage that purports to show this village). Katzrockso (talk) 01:08, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - abandoned houses are visible at the coordinates, indicating that this was a real village at some point in the past. It would be good if we could find the reasons for its abandonment to add to the article. Passenger pigeon (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:31, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]