Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism
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[edit]- Massacre of Uus Street (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:HOAX and a devious one considering the subject matter and source falsification involved.
First off, the article today[1] is virtually identical to the version created on 26 February 2017 by User:DJ Sturm with two edits, second as IP [2][3]. DJ Sturm is globally locked by stewards for "Cross-wiki abuse".[4]
Massacre of 83 Jews literally in the middle of Tallinn in 1941 should have been fairly noteworthy event in context of Holocaust in Estonia, but google, google scholar, and google books gave no relevant results which didn't seem to originate back to his article.
Breakdown of source falsification:
- Hillgruber, Andreas (1989). "War in the East and the Extermination of the Jews". In Marrus, Michael (ed.). Part 3, The "Final Solution": The Implementation of Mass Murder, Volume 1. The Nazi Holocaust. Westpoint, CT: Meckler. pp. 85–114. ISBN 0-88736-266-4., p. 98. - Hillgruber's article can be seen online here. It makes no mention of this massacre. Stahlecker is only mentioned once regarding Riga.
- Haakristi haardes.Tallinn 1979, p. 84 - It can be viewed in digitized form in certain Estonian libraries, so I took a look and again has nothing to do the article's subject or text.
- Merila, Toomas (1999). The Holocaust in Estonia. Tallinn: Varrak, p. 77., p. 79. - Fake book. Can't be found on Woldcat, Google Books, or Ester (Estonian online library catalogue). Only Toomas Merila who pops up is sports coach.
- Quoted in Eugenia Gurin-Loov, Holocaust of Estonian Jews 1941, Eesti Juudi Kogukond, Tallinn 1994: pg. 194 - Book itself does not seem to be fully available in digital form, but it can be seen that pp 178-214, which includes "cited" pg. 194, should be lists of victims[5][6], and are actually available in some form here [7][8] which does not match in any way text it is used as source for, so taking everything account, safe to say that another fake reference.
- Nuremberg Military Tribunal, Einsatzgruppen trial, Judgment, at page 209, quoting exhibit NO-2688. - Einsatzgruppen trial records can be seen here. While there are plenty of mentions for Stahlecker and Estonia, none of them mention the massacre or match text in the article. "exhibit NO-2688" does not exist.
- "Report Phase II: The German Occupation of Estonia 1941–1944" (PDF). Estonian International Commission for Investigation of Crimes Against Humanity. 1998. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2011-07-20. Retrieved 2017-02-26. - Again no mention of the massacre. In source Jägala camp is not mentioned in the context of killing local Jews in 1941, but instead then talking about foreign Jews brought into Estonia from 1942 onwards.
Finally I did a little search on what actual historians who have investigated the Holocaust in Estonia have written about this period, and again their descriptions completely contradict the idea of large public massacre in middle of Tallinn.
Anton Weiss-Wendt On the Margins: Essays on the History of Jews in Estonia pp 243-244 (accessible via wikipedia library at de Gruyter [9])
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The Estonian case poses a challenge to the generally accepted view of how the Holocaust was carried out in Eastern Europe. Unlike in Latvia and Lithuania, there were no anti-Jewish pogroms or ghettos; no death squads staffed and sometime managed by natives, like the Arājs Commando in Latvia or the Hamann Commando in Lithuania. The daylong mass executions of Jews at the IX Fort in Kaunas or Rumbula near Riga did not happen in Estonia until a year later. Due to fierce Soviet resistance, roughly two-thirds of Estonia’s Jews managed to escape to Russia in the summer of 1941. The remaining one thousand or so Jews were apprehended by the Estonian Security Police, which conducted a pseudolegal investigation into each individual case. Thus, Estonia was spared the atrocities and public humiliation that accompanied the Nazi mass murder of Jews in other East European countries. Most Estonians, if they bothered to think of it at all, believed that justice had been served and that the executed Jews were punished for a reason. |
et:Meelis Maripuu THE EXECUTION OF ESTONIAN JEWS IN THE LOCAL DETENTION INSTITUTIONS IN 1941–1942 [10]
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As in Tartu and Pärnu, also in Tallinn the arrests of the Jews started immediately after the conquest of the city by the German troops. The lists of the individuals to be arrested, including Jews, were prepared in Tartu already prior to conquering Tallinn. Within three days from the conquest of Tallinn on 28 August the Omakaitse had already arrested 42 “Jewish communists”, 182 members of the destruction battalions, and 150 “other suspicious persons”. Most likely the orders of arrest had been issued by the German military authorities and not by the Security Police and SD. These orders made the Estonian policeman responsible for the arrest of the male Jews. The male Jews were first sent to the political police or to the local police station. Already then they were kept separately from other prisoners. After some days the prisoners were transferred to the Tallinn Central Prison. In the course of the transfer, the Jews were separated from the Estonians and placed in separate cells. |
Staberinde (talk) 08:55, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Discrimination, Events, Judaism, and Estonia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - based on the nomination and my own research - there were no massacres of Jewish people in Tallinn. Pages like this reduce our reliability and harm our reputation, and encourage Holocaust denialism. Consider salting or similar admin action. Bearian (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yaakov Shapiro (American rabbi) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears non-notable. Trivially mentioned in a few reliable sources, extensively quoted in one Mondoweiss piece. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Judaism, Israel, and United States of America. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro has received independent, non-trivial coverage from third-party sources such as Tikkun Magazine and Portal Cioran, and has participated in public discourse on Zionism vs Judaism, including podcasts and conference appearances. While some sources are hosted on platforms like WordPress, they are not self-published blogs but journalistic or scholarly essays. His media visibility and distinct theological stance justify notability under WP:NBIO. The article can be improved further with additional citations, but it meets the basic threshold.Arbabi second (talk) 21:16, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- The Tikkun "source" is nothing but two un-annotated links to YouTube and Facebook. Portal Cioran appears to be a blog, with no byline, staff, or editorial policy. Having a "distinct theological stance" definitely does not justify notability. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 21:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete does not appear notable and poor sources.Metallurgist (talk) 21:23, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: I was unable to find a significant number of credible sources. Sethi752 (talk) 15:30, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank You Hashem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article was previously speedy deleted last year per WP:A7, and was recreated by the same editor this year mostly using AI generated text. Notability has not been demonstrated for this topic. MidnightMayhem 01:10, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts, Literature, Music, Organizations, Judaism, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Unnecessary recreation. Segaton (talk) 17:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Recreation of spam. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 18:11, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. KnowDeath (talk) 20:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. I found two sources, but that's about where it all ran dry. This movement does have some traction, but so far it hasn't led to enough widespread, in-depth coverage to show where it passes GNG. Most of what I found were false positives, as I'd see something titled "Thank You Hashem", only to find that it was a general prayer piece that doesn't mention the movement. Given that the term is modeled after a general prayer statement, any sourcing used would have to very clearly mention the movement rather than a general gist. It's kind of like if a Lutheran or Catholic group started up a movement titled "And Also With You" or "And With Your Spirit".
- This has somewhat more coverage than expected for what's ultimately a smaller movement, but it's still not enough to establish notability. To be honest, most grassroots movements and people are non-notable. They might be known or infamous, but never gain actual coverage. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 14:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- A good example that's local to me would be Jeff Kelso. The guy is kind of infamous in some groups for how he protested the Vietnam War. He's even been covered in a couple of academic/scholarly books, but it's never really turned into enough coverage to justify an article. It's really pretty common. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 14:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete (soft) as too soon - it's only been covered by blogs and similar sources of lower reliability. It just may take some time for secondary sources to cover this in any significant way. Bearian (talk)
- Delete per nom. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 17:11, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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