Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massacre of Uus Street

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:16, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre of Uus Street

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WP:HOAX and a devious one considering the subject matter and source falsification involved.
First off, the article today[1] is virtually identical to the version created on 26 February 2017 by User:DJ Sturm with two edits, second as IP [2][3]. DJ Sturm is globally locked by stewards for "Cross-wiki abuse".[4]
Massacre of 83 Jews literally in the middle of Tallinn in 1941 should have been fairly noteworthy event in context of Holocaust in Estonia, but google, google scholar, and google books gave no relevant results which didn't seem to originate back to his article.
Breakdown of source falsification:

Hillgruber, Andreas (1989). "War in the East and the Extermination of the Jews". In Marrus, Michael (ed.). Part 3, The "Final Solution": The Implementation of Mass Murder, Volume 1. The Nazi Holocaust. Westpoint, CT: Meckler. pp. 85–114. ISBN 0-88736-266-4., p. 98. - Hillgruber's article can be seen online here. It makes no mention of this massacre. Stahlecker is only mentioned once regarding Riga.
Haakristi haardes.Tallinn 1979, p. 84 - It can be viewed in digitized form in certain Estonian libraries, so I took a look and again has nothing to do the article's subject or text.
Merila, Toomas (1999). The Holocaust in Estonia. Tallinn: Varrak, p. 77., p. 79. - Fake book. Can't be found on Woldcat, Google Books, or Ester (Estonian online library catalogue). Only Toomas Merila who pops up is sports coach.
Quoted in Eugenia Gurin-Loov, Holocaust of Estonian Jews 1941, Eesti Juudi Kogukond, Tallinn 1994: pg. 194 - Book itself does not seem to be fully available in digital form, but it can be seen that pp 178-214, which includes "cited" pg. 194, should be lists of victims[5][6], and are actually available in some form here [7][8] which does not match in any way text it is used as source for, so taking everything account, safe to say that another fake reference.
Nuremberg Military Tribunal, Einsatzgruppen trial, Judgment, at page 209, quoting exhibit NO-2688. - Einsatzgruppen trial records can be seen here. While there are plenty of mentions for Stahlecker and Estonia, none of them mention the massacre or match text in the article. "exhibit NO-2688" does not exist.
"Report Phase II: The German Occupation of Estonia 1941–1944" (PDF). Estonian International Commission for Investigation of Crimes Against Humanity. 1998. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2011-07-20. Retrieved 2017-02-26. - Again no mention of the massacre. In source Jägala camp is not mentioned in the context of killing local Jews in 1941, but instead then talking about foreign Jews brought into Estonia from 1942 onwards.

Finally I did a little search on what actual historians who have investigated the Holocaust in Estonia have written about this period, and again their descriptions completely contradict the idea of large public massacre in middle of Tallinn.

Anton Weiss-Wendt On the Margins: Essays on the History of Jews in Estonia pp 243-244 (accessible via wikipedia library at de Gruyter [9])

The Estonian case poses a challenge to the generally accepted view of how the Holocaust was carried out in Eastern Europe. Unlike in Latvia and Lithuania, there were no anti-Jewish pogroms or ghettos; no death squads staffed and sometime managed by natives, like the Arājs Commando in Latvia or the Hamann Commando in Lithuania. The daylong mass executions of Jews at the IX Fort in Kaunas or Rumbula near Riga did not happen in Estonia until a year later. Due to fierce Soviet resistance, roughly two-thirds of Estonia’s Jews managed to escape to Russia in the summer of 1941. The remaining one thousand or so Jews were apprehended by the Estonian Security Police, which conducted a pseudolegal investigation into each individual case. Thus, Estonia was spared the atrocities and public humiliation that accompanied the Nazi mass murder of Jews in other East European countries. Most Estonians, if they bothered to think of it at all, believed that justice had been served and that the executed Jews were punished for a reason.

et:Meelis Maripuu THE EXECUTION OF ESTONIAN JEWS IN THE LOCAL DETENTION INSTITUTIONS IN 1941–1942 [10]

As in Tartu and Pärnu, also in Tallinn the arrests of the Jews started immediately after the conquest of the city by the German troops. The lists of the individuals to be arrested, including Jews, were prepared in Tartu already prior to conquering Tallinn. Within three days from the conquest of Tallinn on 28 August the Omakaitse had already arrested 42 “Jewish communists”, 182 members of the destruction battalions, and 150 “other suspicious persons”. Most likely the orders of arrest had been issued by the German military authorities and not by the Security Police and SD. These orders made the Estonian policeman responsible for the arrest of the male Jews. The male Jews were first sent to the political police or to the local police station. Already then they were kept separately from other prisoners. After some days the prisoners were transferred to the Tallinn Central Prison. In the course of the transfer, the Jews were separated from the Estonians and placed in separate cells.

Staberinde (talk) 08:55, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Discrimination, Events, Judaism, and Estonia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - based on the nomination and my own research - there were no massacres of Jewish people in Tallinn. Pages like this reduce our reliability and harm our reputation, and encourage Holocaust denialism. Consider salting or similar admin action. Bearian (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete based on previous comments and own search. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:16, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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