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Darren Walsh (tennis)

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This tennis player never played an ATP Tour level, Grand Slam or Davis Cup match, there are no references on this article and when I searched I found only very brief, passing mentions usually in results lists and one story on the University of Bath website about his doubles partner which mentioned they played together but nothing substantial about him. I therefore believe this article fails GNG and SIGCOV guidelines and should be deleted. I would have Prodded it but a check of the edit history reveals it was Prodded in 2015 and deProdded using what I think are now defunct criteria. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Challenger doubles title is of a high enough level to meet WP:NTENNIS. My search for sources has found a small bio at [1], but his relatively common name is polluting my search results with entries about other people. Iffy★Chat -- 13:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I may be missing something (and I apologise if I am) but the link goes to a diary style article about an under 14s event that, yes mentions Mr Walsh, but is written by one of his fellow 14 year old teammates. Also having a common name does not give you a pass to say the article should exist. How about adding the word tennis to your search? I did so and, as I stated, discovered routine match results and the aforementioned university story about his doubles partner. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That source I found has a few biographical details in the bottom right which si more than you get from a lot of WP:ROUTINE coverage. I haven't !voted yet as you opened this AfD only a few hours ago and I want to spend more time looking for sources. Iffy★Chat -- 15:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with the nominator that there is a lack of significant coverage to establish notability as most mentions are brief. Note that WP:NTENNIS is saying that people who reach achieve in one of the 5 categories listedare likely to have coverage that meets notability guidelines, not that the achievement itself indicates notability.

Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And, as a comment, I'm not convinced winning a challenger tournament is a good indicator of whether significant, non-routine coverage would exist for a player.Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. If news sources appears, I'll change the vote. Svartner (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amber Valley Gymnastics Academy

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No indication of meeting WP:GNG, which requires coverage from independent sources which "addresses the topic directly and in detail". Every source is a passing mention. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lalitpur Mayor Women's Cup

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources other than ROUTINE coverage to pass WP:SIGCOV, thus fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 12:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Russian Assassins

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Tag team that lasted a year. Chief problem is WP:GNG: main sources are database entries, with a WP:BEFORE check pulling up nothing substantial. Two books are cited with this article: one page from an overview of WWE wrestling in the 80s (Shields: inaccessible on Google Books, but it would be hard to argue significant coverage from a single page overviewing an era of pro wrestling), and another broad book covering the history of pro wrestling. Nothing standalone is the concern with these cites. /over.throws/^✎ 16:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Even if it lasted for a year, it still attracted enough coverage to warrant a standalone article here. In principle, as David used to mention , Delete is reserved for when nothing else can be done to save/salvage. Information purged is information lost. This is apolitical, informational, and non controvertial (in wiki sense) , hence the suggestion. Devopam (talk) 05:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zimbabwe Pistol and Smallbore Association

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should be deleted if it lacks significant coverage from independent, reliable sources, failing to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Welcome to Pandora (talk) 07:40, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Oppose on the grounds that the nomination was not done appropriately.
@Welcome to Pandora can you share what WP:BEFORE you did before listing this? Because a quick search shows reliable sources for this association that go back to the 1950s...

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6..

it is clearly a legitimate organization that exists fulfills the requirements for WP:ORG Nayyn (talk) 13:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: plenty of coverage FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie Humphreys

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Non-notable rugby player. Coverage from reliable sources is clearly lacking, and there isn't any evidence that subject warrants a standalone article. Fails WP:NATHLETE. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Current first grade player in one of the top tier rugby league competitions (NRL) at the start of his career. I found some coverage. [2], [3], [4]. LibStar (talk) 02:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: In the interest of completeness, I wanted to point out that the first nomination from 2009 was for an article on a different Jamie Humphreys (an author) than the rugby league footballer that is the current subject. (No opinion.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yes this Jamie Humphreys was 7 at the time of the other AfD. LibStar (talk) 06:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. When someone is getting a full page in the Sydney Morning Herald, they meet GNG.[5]Doctorhawkes (talk) 11:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article needs some work, but a quick Google search shows this easily passes WP:SPORTCRIT. J Mo 101 (talk) 13:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per above.Fleets (talk) 08:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ki Society

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Dubious notability (WP:NCORP/WP:GNG). The article has no footnotes, there is a list of possible sources in 'Further reading' but no indication they mention this organization. My BEFORE fails to find anything except a few passing mentions (like in this academic article, which is reliable but WP:SIGCOV is an issue - passing mentions in two sentences are not good enough, I fear); maybe there are sources in Japanese but ja wiki article is no better than ours. This is about to be deleted from pl wiki (where we recently cleaned a bunch of articles on non-notable Polish akido organizations that nobody except themselves have noticed). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lacks significant independent coverage. The same is true of the Japanese wiki article. My own search found many mentions of "ki", but not of this particular "society". Ki is a general term, but significant independent coverage of this group is hard to find. Please notify me if coverage showing WP notability is found. Papaursa (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

U-15 European Baseball Championship

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Same rationale as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/U-12 European Baseball Championship and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 European Juveniles Baseball Championship. No indication of notability. Fails to meet WP:SPORTSEVENT, WP:GNG. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hyderabad Heroes

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Fails WP:NSPORT with very limited WP:SIGCOV Agent 007 (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: It has just been created. Within the next couple of days, more details and sources will be added. It’s foolish to list it for deletion without giving it time to be completed. OCDD (talk) 06:56, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should be completed in draft space. Draftify Mn1548 (talk) 07:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cho Hee-soo

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I have conducted a WP:BEFORE search to assess the notability of this article. I searched in Google, Naver News, and English-language Korean news sources including The Korea Herald, Yonhap News, and KBS World using both English ("Cho Hee-soo rhythmic gymnast") and Korean ("조희수 리듬체조") keywords.

The only results available are routine coverage from sports result listings and minor announcements in domestic outlets. There are no significant independent sources that offer in-depth coverage or analysis of the subject.

According to WP:NSPORTS (Wikipedia:Notability for sportspeople), an athlete is presumed notable if they have "received significant coverage in multiple, reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Cho Hee-soo has not met this threshold. The article does not demonstrate lasting impact or significant coverage beyond simple event participation.

Therefore, I believe this article does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline (WP:GNG) nor the specific guideline for athletes (WP:NSPORTS) and should be deleted. Jeong seolah (talk) 06:10, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Austria Billie Jean King Cup team

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Article appears to undergo regular edits with no WP:RS, Suggest merging content with Billie Jean King Cup which already contains details about the competitors. Variety312 (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is no deletion rationale presented above. Was a WP:BEFORE search performed? Also, the suggested merge target is completely inappropriate. Billie Jean King Cup is the article that contains all the high level information about the competition from its founding as the Federation Cup to the present day, and currently has 0 mention of this particular team (and also has 0 depth of any other team at the level this article goes in to). AfD isn't supposed to be used to propose bad merges or as a time pressured source finding/article improvement tool. Iffy★Chat -- 16:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a notable Billie Jean King Cup team so why on earth would we delete it? Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:14, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I have found no sources indicating the Austria team for the Fed cup/Billie Jean King cup is or has been notable. There is routine coverage of their results from certain years, but I have not found anything else. Merely claiming it is a notable BJK team does not make it so, there needs to be sources to meet general notability.

Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 00:12, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, you asked for sources, here's some: [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. Is that enough for you? Iffy★Chat -- 10:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of these sources seem to be more than coverage of the team's results or their hopes for the Fed Cup/BJK cup. In my opinion, these would fall under routine coverage as it's pretty common for teams/players to be interviewed before, during, and after tournaments. I don't think these sources establish notability per WP:NSPORT or WP:ROUTINE. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 22:41, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is what you're going to get for sports teams. If there's consistent year round coverage of their performance/team composition, that should go towards notability. I'd struggle to find many sources even for Austria national football team that wouldn't meet some definition of routine. Jevansen (talk) 23:02, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete article has been here since 2007. Should have some sources by now showing wider coverage. Ramos1990 (talk) 21:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More sources: [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] - The fact that the sources aren't currently in the article isn't a basis for deletion. It's an reason to improve the article. Iffy★Chat -- 21:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Scott Kahoe

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Article on an individual that ~~appears to have~~ might have played a single season of professional lacrosse, though it isn't clear he actually ever played. Sourcing is all either non-independent profiles or statistical outlines, with one local news outlet on his transfer from Syracuse to Georgetown. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:ATHLETE. nf utvol (talk) 18:14, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. This in-depth story in The Philadelphia Inquirer along with this and this from Syracuse.com is probably sufficient for GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In this particular case, I think those sources are fairly Run-of-the-Mill coverage. Local newspapers also cover high school and college athletes, in every city and town, there are several high schools and colleges and papers that cover them; inevitably, these athletes will receive coverage.

The Inquirer and the Syracuse.com are both major news outlets, but they also serve as local news, which does make this a little less cut and dry than it otherwise would be. All of these sources, though, are simply profiles of a local high school (in the case of the Inquirer), or collegiate (in the case of the Syracuse.com sources) athlete, without much of a context outside of local interest. A quick perusal of both shows that these sorts of profiles happen daily, sometimes multiple times daily. Using these three sources to establish notability would mean that there are quite literally thousands of similar cases where non-notable high school or collegiate athletes would now meet the notability threshold for an article, just based on coverage in the Inquirer and Syracuse.com.

Finally, to quote the WP:ATHLETE guideline: The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level. In this case, the subject appears to have only played a single season of professional lacrosse, with almost no coverage of this beyond a stats page. The coverage on his participation in a collegiate championship is limited to a single page commenting on his social media posts. nf utvol (talk) 13:31, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ROTM is an essay; whether there's "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" is all that matters here. And in this case, he does meet that, with in-depth stories in The Inquirer and Syracuse.com. The significant coverage on the subject does not need to be regarding something that you subjectively deem of greater than "local interest" in order to count as significant coverage. You say that this would allow for "quite literally thousands of similar cases where non-notable high school or collegiate athletes would now meet the notability threshold for an article" – however, the difference here is that the subject also competed professionally at, what I believe is, the highest-level of lacrosse (i.e. he's not just some random local college player like you're making him out to be). Lastly, the ATHLETE "guidelines" are just a garbled mess that few still rely on. Note that NSPORT includes nothing talking about lacrosse, thus even the greatest lacrosse player of all time would still fail it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After doing a little more digging it isn't clear that Kahoe ever actually played a regular season game of professional lacrosse. According to the stats page linked in the article, he was drafted by the Boston Blazers in 2009 but never played a game. Then, according to Lacrosse All Stars (which I'm not sure is a RS anyway), he was drafted by the Florida Launch in 2013, but I can't find anything at all that indicates he ever played a single game with them beyond playing on their practice squad in 2017. This, in my view, means that whatever time he may have spent in MLL/PLL/NLL does not serve to add to his notability. nf utvol (talk) 15:09, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if he never played in the MLL/PLL/NLL, that makes the case weaker, though he still arguably meets GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:36, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Can find news articles referencing above player which seems to be reliable secondary source^[1] Krishnpriya123 (talk) 06:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The reference you mentioned is from The Hoya, a student-run school newspaper, and wouldn't really be appropriate for establishing notability in this case. nf utvol (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's still an actual print newspaper. Looking at their website, they seem to be somewhat independent of the university. The Hoya source doesn't count for much but it still helps just a tad little bit (when combined with the other sources). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:52, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't. Per [[22]], The Hoya is funded in part by a student activities fee that all undergraduates attending the university pay, connecting it directly to the university. Let'srun (talk) 21:43, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not appear to have the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG and doesn't appear to meet any other notability guideline. The Syracuse.com article is primarily interview prose as it is. Let'srun (talk) 21:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I found this also although some of it is the same as the first Syarcuse.com link Beanie posted. Here's this additional coverage too though it's not as good. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:18, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not much coverage in more notable publications. Mainly local sources. Article made in 2015 by a single editor who may have been intimate with the subject. Single purpose account. Ramos1990 (talk)
- Locality of sources are irrelevant; one does not need to have coverage in "more notable publications" to have an article. That said, The Philadelphia Inquirer, which covered him, is one of the largest papers in the U.S. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While that is true, it covered him purely as a local athlete, which is no different than any other local newspaper covering a hometown player. Let'srun (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Weak keep, The syracuse source and others were not great, but a weak keep is sufficient here for basic notability, revising my earlier "Delete" !vote. Iljhgtn (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There's multiple sources that are both reliable, independent, and secondary... BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean "the source isn't notable"? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://thehoya.com/uncategorized/after-four-years-in-gray-kahoe-returns-to-msf-wearing-orange/

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Super 8 Twenty20 Cup

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 05:17, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Super 8 T20 Cup was much more selective than the National T20 Cup, had T20 status, and was the precursor of the Pakistan Super League. Pakistani publications regularly covered it while the event was ongoing ([23], [24], [25], [26]), and I'm sure there must be some offline coverage of it in almanacs. Since Wikipedia also functions as an almanac (WP:5P1), we must cover T20 matches as part of our almanac coverage.

The tournament was definitely notable, but I'm not sure about the individual seasons that were not nominated. In any case, the matches held in those seasons shoulde be part of our almanac coverage. You could request a merge and renaming of those seasons so that they resemble maybe in the form of 2011 season in Pakistani cricket, and so on, and add those matches there, but it is not for WP:AFD to decide. Please initiate a WP:RFC on WP:CRIC, so that all members are on the same page and we do not have selective purges due to the lack of WP:AFD participation. Veldsenk (talk) 12:17, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We already act like an almanac for international cricket matches (International cricket in 2010–11) but articles for domestic cricket are still missing. Veldsenk (talk) 12:20, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the point about the almanac is a good one from Veldsenk. This article also is notable when factoring Pakistani sources in addition. Which is permissible. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Veldsenk and Iljhgtn: see WP:OSE, which is an argument to avoid in afd, but that's what you're doing here. Vestrian24Bio 15:02, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly? You cite WP:OSE, which states, "The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do or do not exist..." Neither of us were making arguments on the grounds of "...whether other articles do or do not exist...", but were instead arguing in support of a Keep based in part on WP:5P1. @Veldsenk might have more to add? Iljhgtn (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"We already act like an almanac for international cricket matches" - which is part WP:OSE.

WP:5P1 also includes WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Vestrian24Bio 13:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2014 Sri Lanka Cricket Super 4's T20

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 05:21, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:5P1. Request a rename and merge to 2014 in Sri Lankan cricket after a proper consensus or do a WP:RFC in general. It is WP:TE to bring T20 status tournaments to WP:AFD from countries which are underrepresented on Wikipedia and should not continue. Veldsenk (talk) 12:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just having T20 status does not make it notable. Read WP:OFFICIALCRICKET - not all T20 league are notable unless they pass standard notability crit (GNG). Vestrian24Bio 14:55, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, while I do not agree that this AfD or similar rise to the level of full on tendentious editing as suggested by the other comment, I do think that the notability for this is shown to be adequate for the subject matter to retain the article after a search. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:57, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Craig Ritter

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Craig Ritter is a lineman never played a down of NFL football, and he barely played much of any other professional football. He played in five games in the 1995 CFL season for the Memphis Mad Dogs, per another source, and was briefly a starter on their O-line, and he played arena football. But there's no significant coverage of him at all—and I scoured the Orange County, Phoenix, Memphis, and other papers for it. That's a WP:GNG failure. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 16:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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My searches have not so far turned up any SIGCOV. The commonness of the name makes searching difficult. Aside from playing at Arizona State (1991-92) and pro (1995-98), I also found references to a Craig Ritter being a football coach at Defiance College c. 2009 -- may or may not be the same person. Cbl62 (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: All I'm finding right now are transactional announcements and brief mentions like [[27]]. Unless someone else can find some WP:SIGCOV, this is probably a delete. Let'srun (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note that the article has been significantly expanded since the nomination. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are there now sources that can be considered SIGCOV? Cbl62 (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Momo Thomas

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Unnotable gridiron football player. No college awards, no NFL games. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the references identified by Cbl62 at the first AFD from 2021: Part 1/part 2, part 1/part 2, and this, this, this, and this. These provide non-routine SIGCOV to allow for passage of GNG. Frank Anchor 12:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Along with two more sources with SIGCOV identified at the first AFD. Frank Anchor 18:41, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Keep in the absence of new arguments to rebut the keep rationale of the first AfD nom, as per Frank Anchor and Cbl62 (in the first AfD). There are more than enough sources, including multiple non-local article features about Momo, which were all linked in the first AfD nomination and many of which are re-linked above. More than enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. Flip^and Flopped ツ 01:43, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GNG. Snow is temping but a little early. But this is a disturbing AfD given that there was a previous AfD in which significant coverage was identified. Rlendog (talk) 14:19, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Coment. Yeah, "keep" probably remains the right result in our notability universe where the existence of SIGCOV is the touchstone rather than tangible on-field accomplishments. This was a player who showed great promise, thus drawing SIGCOV, but his career was cut short by injury before major on-field accomplishments panned out at the collegiate level. Cbl62 (talk) 16:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rudy Cerami

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. PROD was removed with explanation that this article was created when the notability guidelines were less strict but that does not allow for a notability pass by itself. Let'srun (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only find confirmation that he played in university [28], but that's not a notable athlete career. I don't see notability here, even with the sourcing used. Oaktree b (talk) 01:03, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: At the time of this creation, it met WP:SPORTSBASIC, as at the time, anyone that played in the Arena Football League was notable. If we are going to delete this page, there are several others that only played in the Arena League that will need to be deleted. I do believe this article should be grand-fathered in. DMC511 (talk) 13:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the only coverage I am finding is non-significant coverage like " this and " this and " this. That is not enough to meet GNG. While I am sympathetic to grandfathering, that is not our policy. Although deleting this article does not require that other Arena League player articles need to be deleted. Each of those articles can be evaluated on their own merits, if someone chooses to nominate them for deletion. Rlendog (talk) 16:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The best we have is this which is not IMO enough to pass GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a single reference to an ancient newspaper does not meet WP:GNG.Iljhgtn (talk) 20:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Larry Burchart

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Non-notable pitcher. No sources beyond databases and obituaries. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Clearly notable as an MLB pitcher with nearly 30 games and, as every modern MLB player, plenty of coverage -- e.g. this (p2), this and this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per BeanieFan11. This is why WP:NBASE was helpful. So we didn't have to have these endless debates about everyone ever. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I guess I know who to take to GA next. Nom should do a bit more research before nominating. I found a large number of sources without even having to look all that hard. Wizardman 22:32, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per BeanieFan11's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Try WP:BEFORE next time. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep, No sources beyond databases and obituaries. the man appears to be alive. Did you nominate a different article than the one you were intending to? Star Mississippi 17:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

U-15 European Baseball Championship

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Same rationale as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/U-12 European Baseball Championship and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 European Juveniles Baseball Championship. No indication of notability. Fails to meet WP:SPORTSEVENT, WP:GNG. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eren Legend (bodybuilder)

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Previously soft-deleted for lack of notability. I doubt the topic has since become notable. Janhrach (talk) 13:39, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not appear to have valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG. There's just a slight mention of him in the CBC article which is the only quality source I can consider. Source #4 is dead. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 23:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Eren Legend meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines due to his recognized impact in the bodybuilding community. He has been featured in reputable fitness magazines and websites, with coverage from independent sources discussing his achievements and training insights. His involvement in bodybuilding competitions and contributions to fitness culture further support his notability. Deleting the article would remove a relevant figure from the fitness community, and the existing sources substantiate his presence in the field. Therefore, I believe the article should be kept at least a Biography stubs. Lukadon (talk) 03:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Behzad Rafigh Doust

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The subject fails both WP:NKICK and WP:MMA. The article has atrocious citations. I checked all of them and removed 95% of them. What is left are fight results with only his name mention, no significant coverage. As much as I love that the subject is a Lethwei coach, the award by Lethwei World itself is not sufficient enough to justify the standalone article. I cannot find any significant coverage about the subject, fails WP:GNG. Here is a brief analysis of the citations:

No mention of the subject:  https://web.archive.org/web/20221014111058/https://muay-thai-santai.com/javiers-wpmf-world-title-defence

Only name mention: https://www.pattayamail.com/pattayasports/thai-fight-provides-spectacular-finale-for-songkran-festival-25613

Video of the match : https://boxemag.com/video/iquezang-kor-rungthanakeat-vs-behzad-rafigh-doust-video/

Stock photos website:  https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photos-thai-fight-king-muay-thai-bangkok-june-sudsakorn-sor-klinmee-thailand-dimitri-masson-switzerland-extreme-june-image31958218

VK Profile of Thai Fight?:  https://vk.com/thaifight  His

Profile on muaythaitv used 3 times: h ttps://muaythaitv.us/fighters/behzad-rafigh-doust-f3980.html

Interview (self published source) : https://apmma.net/behzad-rafigh-doust-discusses-his-journey-from-fighting-to-coaching/

Fight result, with only name and weight mention.: https://www.irna.ir/news/9931323/مسابقات-موی-تای-ایران-با-قهرمانی-کردستان-پایان-یافت

List of hundreds of fights in 2013 with only the subject’s name listed:  https://www.allthebestfights.com/k1-muay-thai-ranking-videos-fight-of-the-year-2013

inaccessible Japanese  Blog : http://blog.sina.cn/dpool/blog/s/blog_5eb5ba0701014fsb.html

Sherdog Forum discussion : https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/k-1-asia-max-2013.2367625/

Amateur fight/event results:  http://www.iranmuaythai.com/fa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21:-2008&catid=4:1390-02-16-11-08-59&Itemid=44

In addition, the article has been written by User:MMA Kid, a sockpuppet of JRM2018 who is blocked indefinitely.

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Delete. reviewed and mostly (wouldnt characterize the interview as non-reliable and that is certainly a chinese site) agree with your assessment of the prior citations. was unable to find significant coverage. while WP:MMA isnt policy, agree per WP:NKICK and WP:SIGCOV fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant is that interviews should be treated like self-published material. Lekkha Moun (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Little to no coverage, this was all I found [29]. Sources are as explained above. Delete for lack of sourcing Oaktree b (talk) 13:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG or evidence he meets WP:ANYBIO or WP:NKICK. Article consists mainly of a list of fights, many of which don't even have his opponents' full name (e.g., "Javier from Spain", "Alex from Switzerland", etc.). Papaursa (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lalitpur Mayor Women's Cup

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources other than ROUTINE coverage to pass WP:SIGCOV, thus fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 12:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 19:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Sri Lanka Cricket Super 4's T20

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 05:21, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:5P1. Request a rename and merge to 2014 in Sri Lankan cricket after a proper consensus or do a WP:RFC in general. It is WP:TE to bring T20 status tournaments to WP:AFD from countries which are underrepresented on Wikipedia and should not continue. Veldsenk (talk) 12:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just having T20 status does not make it notable. Read WP:OFFICIALCRICKET - not all T20 league are notable unless they pass standard notability crit (GNG). Vestrian24Bio 14:55, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, while I do not agree that this AfD or similar rise to the level of full on tendentious editing as suggested by the other comment, I do think that the notability for this is shown to be adequate for the subject matter to retain the article after a search. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:57, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Super 8 Twenty20 Cup

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 05:17, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Super 8 T20 Cup was much more selective than the National T20 Cup, had T20 status, and was the precursor of the Pakistan Super League. Pakistani publications regularly covered it while the event was ongoing ([30], [31], [32], [33]), and I'm sure there must be some offline coverage of it in almanacs. Since Wikipedia also functions as an almanac (WP:5P1), we must cover T20 matches as part of our almanac coverage.

The tournament was definitely notable, but I'm not sure about the individual seasons that were not nominated. In any case, the matches held in those seasons shoulde be part of our almanac coverage. You could request a merge and renaming of those seasons so that they resemble maybe in the form of 2011 season in Pakistani cricket, and so on, and add those matches there, but it is not for WP:AFD to decide. Please initiate a WP:RFC on WP:CRIC, so that all members are on the same page and we do not have selective purges due to the lack of WP:AFD participation. Veldsenk (talk) 12:17, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We already act like an almanac for international cricket matches (International cricket in 2010–11) but articles for domestic cricket are still missing. Veldsenk (talk) 12:20, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the point about the almanac is a good one from Veldsenk. This article also is notable when factoring Pakistani sources in addition. Which is permissible. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Veldsenk and Iljhgtn: see WP:OSE, which is an argument to avoid in afd, but that's what you're doing here. Vestrian24Bio 15:02, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly? You cite WP:OSE, which states, "The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do or do not exist..." Neither of us were making arguments on the grounds of "...whether other articles do or do not exist...", but were instead arguing in support of a Keep based in part on WP:5P1. @Veldsenk might have more to add? Iljhgtn (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"We already act like an almanac for international cricket matches" - which is part WP:OSE.

WP:5P1 also includes WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Vestrian24Bio 13:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Caleb Smith (soccer)

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. The article also seems to have been heavily edited by the subject himself. JTtheOG (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Leeroy Maguraushe

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this Zimbabwean footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Krešimir Luetić

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Croatian men's footballer who spent his entire career in lower levels without evidence of meeting WP:GNG. Two secondary sources I found were Dalmatinski Nogomet articles from 2022 and 2024, both of which are passing mentions. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Duarte

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 00:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I find no sources for this soccer player. What's in the article are primary only. Appears to still be in the minor leagues, so might not have attained enough notice for more media coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSCRIT. No significant coverage in independent sources. The player doesn’t seem notable enough for a separate article. Pridemanty (talk) 06:25, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson McCracken

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 00:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:36, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Duncan McCormick

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Currently the only sources in the article are primary to the teams the subject played for, and all I could find elsewhere was a couple of paragraphs at [[34]], which isn't enough for the relevant notability standards to be met IMO. Let'srun (talk) 23:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The most I found was this piece. Fails WP:GNG and SPORTBASIC. JTtheOG (talk) 01:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Brandt

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Subject appears to not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of reliable WP:SIGCOV. There is some coverage from the Penn student newspaper at [[35]] but it isn't independent. Let'srun (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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In addition, I don't agree with the sourcing in the first AfD being adequate enough. Let'srun (talk) 23:17, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:NSPORT. Mekomo (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cyrus Rad

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I am unable to find any in-depth coverage of this American soccer player. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:13, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Beyond match reports [36], I don't find sourcing for this person. That's likely a primary source anyway, so of no help for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Galaksia Praha 23

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Self-promotion of an amateur club, without coverage by independent sources. The only sources cited are the club and amateur league websites, Facebook, and a promotional article by the advertising agency Prague Morning. FromCzech (talk) 09:22, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft I would have moved this to draft space instead of AfD, some news coverage, but it feels somewhat routine. Govvy (talk) 10:48, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see much room for improvement, but if there is a consensus for the draft... FromCzech (talk) 12:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Falls in WP:PROMO. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 12:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moses Aliro

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This article is massively incomplete and poorly formed and needs to be draftified, at the very least. I also was not able to find any meaningful WP:SIGCOV on this player beyond transfer notices and similar sources. Anwegmann (talk) 03:59, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kwikiriza Shafik Nana

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I can't seem to find any WP:SIGCOV on this player, not to mention the fact that the article is terrible, which is neither here nor there. Anwegmann (talk) 03:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yutaro Yoshino

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With 7 J3 appearances, [37], he doesn't seem notable, but as he played in Brazil briefly there may be stuff out there. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only consists of routine announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - Have fleshed out article with two in-depth articles detailing his time in Brazil, as well as multiple other smaller articles. Meets GNG. Zênite (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Oh wow, fantastic additions Zênite! I would be very happy to keep the article now after the WP:HEY. I can't speedy close this due to Clara's delete but I will ping @Clariniie: to ask her to look at it again :) RossEvans19 (talk) - 17:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources from Targma seem to have significant coverage: 2020 and 2024. I'm just not sure if the source is reliable. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – I found this in Brazilian media [38], [39], basically talking about his signing by Sport Capixaba in 2016 and summarizing his time in Brazil. I don't know if it's enough, but it can certainly help. Svartner (talk) 05:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer announcements do not count as significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above which show (apparently - AGF!) notability. Giant Snowman 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Masato Hashimoto

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Prod previously declined. 13 J3 appearances before playing the rest of their career in non league. Has not played since 2023. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only consists of routine announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Just one single source to verify, fails WP:GNG. 🦅White-tailed eagle^{Talk to the eagle}Stalking eagle 21:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. PS don't think there's a 'non league' as we know it in Japan... Giant Snowman 17:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yutaro Masuda

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Prod previously declined. Made only 13 professional appearances, the rest are non league. [40] Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Played mostly in the Japan Football League, which is not fully professional, and does not have signal of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 05:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only provides two references that are routine. RossEvans19 forgot to mention that this article was created by a user who ended up being permanently blocked for creating a lot of articles about non-notable Japanese footballers. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. PS don't think there's a 'non league' as we know it in Japan... Giant Snowman 17:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Harrison Kurtz

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:07, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:29, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable college player. The same user created hundreds of other pages on junior or lower-tier soccer players that similarly lack notability. Reywas92^Talk 13:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should also leave a message to the creator that they must provide multiple significant coverage for such people. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:14, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mahroos Siddiquee Nadim

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Non-notable football player. Sources appear insufficient for establishing notability, and there's no indication that subject is notable enough for a standalone article. Fails WP:NATHLETE. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:48, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:29, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Poorly crafted CV for a footballer. Fails any notion of notability. UtherSRG (talk) 11:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete Zero reliable third-party sources. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:05, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Márquez (footballer)

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All that came up in my searches were trivial mentions, such as those present in the article. JTtheOG (talk) 00:41, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – At second glance, I have to agree 100% with JTtheOG. That's why I replaced the subject of this page with another Miguel Márquez, and this one is clearly notable, so I vote keep. Better to recycle than to waste. Barr Theo (talk) 03:03, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Considering that the career as a football player is not the only topic of interest about the subject. Svartner (talk) 08:32, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that there was a page move after the nom and before your !vote. JTtheOG (talk) 09:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Theo van Zwieteren

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None of the sources in the article seem to provide WP:SIGCOV, and I was unable to find any on Google or newspaper archives such as Newspapers.com, Delpher, Archief Eemland, Stadsarchief Rotterdam, and Gallica. I did find some mentions like 1 and 2 using an abbreviation of his name ("T. van Zwieteren"), but nothing substantive. Another Dutch referee (albeit with much more international experience) from the same era, Raphaël van Praag, was recently kept after multiple in-depth sources were found using these same archives, so maybe someone else has more luck. JTtheOG (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Noooooo!!!! I was literally going to put this page on a draft tomorrow!! Couldn't you have waited just a few more hours!! Barr Theo (talk) 22:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Draftify~~ – If Barr Theo is working on improvements to the page. I'll ping @Gidonb: in any case, but I see no reason to delete it. Svartner (talk) 22:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – I'm working on it. Barr Theo (talk) 23:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Not enough WP:SIGCOV is currently present. Draftify as a WP:ATD to allow interested editors time to work on finding sources Let'srun (talk) 00:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Barr Theo, Let'srun, and Clara A. Djalim, with the extra sources, can we settle for a keep? gidonb (talk) 17:09, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a historically important referee, by WP:NEXIST and by the WP:GNG that is fully met. Theo van Zwieteren passed away in 1962, so no BLP concerns apply. The article was created by Barr Theo based on his historical significance, and that assessment holds.

I was recently pointed to this article by the creator and made several corrections—his date of birth, for example, was off by a day. This followed my overhaul of an article on Raphaël van Praag, a distant cousin I had never heard of before. Van Praag, who was also a gifted communicator, became Holland’s favorite son in Belgian soccer management. He left the field forever just before much of our family was exterminated.

Van Zwieteren’s international experience extended beyond the Netherlands, in international games, and during his residence in Hamburg. That, too, is worth exploring. The sources cited are from Delpher, which aggregates historical Dutch newspapers. This is the correct search string. For the Rotterdam region, I also check the Schiedam-based Krantenkijker, though it often yields less than Delpher.

These are sources that by themselves provide SIGCOV:

T. van Zwieteren – 'oer'-Spartaan – overleden [Theo van Zwieteren – Spartan to the core – deceased]. Het Rotterdamsch Parool. Rotterdam, 13-12-1962, p. 11. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMSARO03:259021037:mpeg21:p00011
"Th. van Zwieteren" [Theo van Zwieteren]. Provinciale Drentsche en Asser Courant. Assen, 05-02-1926. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMDA03:000110709:mpeg21:p002

These are sources from which SIGCOV can be pieced together, a legitimate approach for historically important professionals (see the subsequent list):

"Uruguay door de Belgen verslagen: De Nederlandsche scheidsrechter gemolesteerd" [Uruguay defeated by the Belgians: The Dutch referee assaulted]. Nieuwe Tilburgsche Courant. Tilburg, 02-06-1925, p. 1. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010234500:mpeg21:p001
"Na den wedstrijd Quick–Vitesse" [After the game Quick–Vitesse]. Provinciale Geldersche en Nijmeegsche Courant. Nijmegen, 30-11-1923. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMRANM02:000023856:mpeg21:p002
"De kwestie van den wedstrijd Sparta—H.V.V." [The issue of the game Sparta—HVV]. "Het Vaderland". The Hague, 10-11-1922, p. 1. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010008151:mpeg21:p005
"Kampioenwedstrijd" [Championship game]. Nieuwe Rotterdamsche Courant. Rotterdam, 08-05-1922, p. 13. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010026058:mpeg21:p013

These are sources that state Van Zwieteren's importance as a referee:

"Th. van Zwieteren" [Theo van Zwieteren]. Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad. Rotterdam, 18-08-1925, p. 14. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010495552:mpeg21:p014
"Willem II—Wilhelmina. Nieuwe Tilburgsche Courant. Tilburg, 17-12-1921, p. 10. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010233459:mpeg21:p010
"Bestuursvergadering van den N.V.B. [Board meeting of the NVB]" Nieuwe Tilburgsche Courant. Tilburg, 06-02-1924, p. 1. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010234102:mpeg21:p001 [frontpage news]
"Zandvoort—Quick 0–0". De Maasbode. Rotterdam, 06-04-1925. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMKB04:000194357:mpeg21:p010

gidonb (talk) 02:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More than sufficient for me to a keep. Svartner (talk) 08:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Could anyone analysis how in-depth are the last four sources about him? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:23, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Clariniie! I can take that. The last four sources are not in depth. These sources are significant because they talk to the importance of Van Zwieteren, i.e. the sources are important in a category other than SIGCOV. The first two sources are SIGCOV and the next four sources contribute toward SIGCOV. gidonb (talk) 18:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above which show notability (AGF). Giant Snowman 17:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gidonb: I'm pretty sure the first SIGCOV link you posted is the incorrect one as it consists of one sentence of coverage and is a duplicate of the Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad link below it. Cheers, JTtheOG (talk) 18:27, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for noting. I corrected that three minutes before your comment. gidonb (talk) 18:30, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep It's very thin in my opinion, I am not quite sure it's at the level needed for what constitutes a good article for a biography. Feels thin, but maybe just enough for WP:BASIC. I would like to see it improved if possible. Govvy (talk) 08:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I found additional sources:

Th. van Zwieteren [Theo van Zwieteren]. Het Vaderland. The Hague, 29-09-1925, p. 3. Delpher, 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009928:mpeg21:p003
Th. van Zwieteren [Theo van Zwieteren]. Nieuwe Rotterdamsche Courant. Rotterdam, 08-11-1923, p. 2. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010026880:mpeg21:p002
De wedstrijden van Zondag a.s. [The games of upcoming Sunday]. "Arnhemsche courant". Arnhem, 05-12-1922. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMKB08:000105208:mpeg21:p006
"De ongeregeldheden op 18 december" [The disturbances of 18 December]. De Maasbode. Rotterdam, 09-01-1922. Delpher, 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMKB04:000189322:mpeg21:p009

These sources belong to my categories II and III above, often combined. With the previous we have a clear and complete pass of the GNG! We already had that yet these sources add even more material to use!!! gidonb (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mykhailo Tkachuk

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I'm a bit unsure of this one, as he played mainly in the 1990s and had a rather long career, but in all four related languages, I could only find this, which is hardly WP:SIGCOV. I could find literally nothing else—hardly even a mention of his existence. The article has also been a stub for going on 10 years now. I figured that it would be worth putting it up for discussion here, as it doesn't appear as though this article is improvable without seeking out physical archives for information—and even then it's not guaranteed. I'm curious if anyone else can find anything on this player. Anwegmann (talk) 01:46, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete The uk-wiki article is much more detailed, but it seems that this person does not satisfy the notability threshold for sportsmen, as well as it fails WP:SIGCOV. --Altenmann >talk 01:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emiljano Shehaj

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT, only played 208 minutes in Albania’s highest football league. Fails WP:GNG, I could only find these WP:ROUTINE announcements [41] [42] Geschichte (talk) 15:19, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ermal Sako

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT, only played 208 minutes in Albania’s highest football league. Fails WP:GNG, I could only find this WP:PASSING mention [43] and this brief interview. [44] Geschichte (talk) 15:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toshiharu Morinaga

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I am struggling to verify if Toshiharu Morinaga played for Shenzhen during the 2003 season. If he did, we should redirect to 2003 Chinese Jia-A League. RossEvans19 (talk) 15:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. There aren't sources even on ja.wiki. Svartner (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Clearly non-notable per my WP:JAPANBEFORE. JP has nothing and even the JP search on GNews yield nothing. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Autônomos FC

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Contested PROD. Amateur team with no relevance in Brazilian football, having not played in any competition in which it has achieved sporting merit. Most of the sources present do not demonstrate WP:CONTINUED coverage, only mentioning the curiosity that the club has an anarchist theme. Blatant fails in WP:GNG and WP:MILL since there are countless amateur teams in Brazil with their own themes. Svartner (talk) 08:04, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per statement in this nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Isberner

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT. Let'srun (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Unable to find any secondary sources to support notability. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 22:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yes, Fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines. There's little to no coverage in reliable, independent sources beyond basic stats. No evidence of significant impact or lasting recognition. Not enough for a standalone article. Krishnpriya123 (talk) 16:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Brief pro career [45], not meeting sporting notability and sourcing is not enough to even create a stub article. Article now is mostly primary sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Seconding WP:GNG. Brief pro career. Raskuly (talk) 23:42, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, we have a GNG rule for a reason, as well as WP:SPORTSCRIT with greater detail and specific guidelines for a sports figure, which notability is not met for in this case. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asumi Takeda

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Footballer that fails WP:GNG. No sources beyond databases. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 20:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I found this ANN Article, (though seems like not a possible source to use). I don't know GNews is showing articles about Akebi's Sailor Uniform? and the "Sailer Ojichan" photo lol. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I also saw the "ANN" piece, and I agree with the other editors view that this alone would not meet WP:GNG. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Kissinger

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC, with the current sources either being databases or primary to the teams he played or coached. Let'srun (talk) 19:06, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:29, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jonas Behounek

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Does not pass GNG. The player appears only in databases. No sport achievements, he played only in lower German tiers. FromCzech (talk) 09:53, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The player appears only in databases. This article from Hamburger Abendblatt is WP:SIGCOV. he played only in lower German tiers. After signing a professional contract with Hamburger SV,[46] he made 28 appearances in the fully professional 3. Liga and over 130 appearances in the semi-professional fourth-tier Regionalliga Nord. The Abendblatt article is not sufficient for me. Perhaps someone can dig up more? Robby.is.on (talk) 10:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The first source is decent, but in my opinion, even only one significant coverage provided on articles is still too weak to establish notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per de:Jonas Behounek Govvy (talk) 21:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had seen the article in German and it really seems to have enough sources. Svartner (talk) 23:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, most of the sources are from his (former) clubs. Would you consider one of the sources SIGCOV? Robby.is.on (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Robby.is.on: WP:BASIC has always said then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability, so with what's online, whats on the German article. (although a little heavy on primary sources) I feel it's okay for the basic criteria. I also see room for improvement for both articles. Govvy (talk) 07:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The club references aren't independent though, which was my main point. Which of the sources in the German article do you consider usable for our article, even if not necessarily SIGCOV? Robby.is.on (talk) 11:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I remind what GNG says, that SIGCOV is not a guarantee that a subject merits its own page. His greatest sporting achievements are single season in the 3rd highest German league (during which he contributed to his team's relegation to the 4th league) and an unsuccessful trial at a second league club (as dewiki says). Common sense does not see this as something that should have an entry in an encyclopedia. FromCzech (talk) 08:48, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Reiner Frieske

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Non-notable German handball player. I was unable to find any in-depth sources about him. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: silver medallist from the 1970 World Men's Handball Championship, according to de:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP: Notable for the following reasons: (see German Wikipedia for a slightly more detailed entry)

East German Handball Champion: He was a goalkeeper for the team that won the "DDR-Meister: (East German Championship) in 1964.
International Handball Player: Frieske played for the East German national handball team.
World Championship Appearances: He represented East Germany in the World Handball Championships in 1964, 1967, and 1970, with the team finishing 2nd place in 1970.
Olympian: He competed as part of the East German handball team at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich. He played in 6 out of 6 games during the tournament. The team played in the bronze medal match, but was edged out by Romania (19-16), finishing in 4th place.

References that I found clicking Google News above were in German. — ERcheck (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per ERcheck and sources which I found [47] and [48]. Note: Some sources wrote Rainer instead of Reiner. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 10:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Not encyclopedic and not really relevant to the English wiki. The German version of article looks pretty short too with only 3 sources. Ramos1990 (talk) 07:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – PDF file looks decent, but does the second newspaper even mention him? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes in the bottom left corner with the title "Geachtet als Sportsmann und Kamerad". 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's just an interview without independent analysis, so I'd lean towards Delete. Multiple sources containing significant coverage are required. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found more sources similar to the other pdf, centre left, bottom centre. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per sources presented in this AfD and WP:AGF. Svartner (talk) 10:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Meteor hammer

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There are no decent sources for this that I saw, certainly no reliable/acceptable ones, and none are included in the article, which is just a bunch of OR. Drmies (talk) 04:58, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I checked under the purported Chinese name. The Chinese book of C# programming, using a martial arts computer game as an example, that turned up early in the results was not a source. But it was in amongst page after page of books with scantily clad manga figures on the covers that were definitely not sources. I don't know what you have stumbled upon, Drmies, but the books results tell me that it is fantasy and not reality. Yes, I bloody well am judging said books by their covers.
Checking the article talk page I see that people have challenged this for being video game manual fantasy since 2006. Checking the edit history I see that it has been variously sourced to Everything2, and exemplifed by counterfactuals such as the Kill Bill movie series and — Yes. — by anime. The zh:流星錘] article has just two discoverable sources: ISBN 7500060874 I have no access to, although from the citation in that article it seems that it is as suspect a source as the only source cited in this article back in its 2005 incarnation, and ISBN 9789866712210 is explicitly a book of fantasy weapons from a Taiwanese publisher of fantasy books.
So it looks like Wikipedia has been promoting fantasy as fact for 20 years, again.
Uncle G (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To add to this: I checked out the images. One is a picture created by a user who appears to be as historical arms enthusiast. The others stem from Flickr, where a private collector named Gary Todd has uploaded images of his collection.

Considering that Todd apparently owns a whole pile of these weapons, you'd think we would have at least one image from a museum collection and/or verified by a historian.

Now there are apparently real historical illustrations of this weapon: https://theravenswoodacademy.com/new-page-69

Not that that by itself would be sufficient for an article. Cortador (talk) 11:20, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Behzad Rafigh Doust

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The subject fails both WP:NKICK and WP:MMA. The article has atrocious citations. I checked all of them and removed 95% of them. What is left are fight results with only his name mention, no significant coverage. As much as I love that the subject is a Lethwei coach, the award by Lethwei World itself is not sufficient enough to justify the standalone article. I cannot find any significant coverage about the subject, fails WP:GNG. Here is a brief analysis of the citations:

No mention of the subject:  https://web.archive.org/web/20221014111058/https://muay-thai-santai.com/javiers-wpmf-world-title-defence

Only name mention: https://www.pattayamail.com/pattayasports/thai-fight-provides-spectacular-finale-for-songkran-festival-25613

Video of the match : https://boxemag.com/video/iquezang-kor-rungthanakeat-vs-behzad-rafigh-doust-video/

Stock photos website:  https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photos-thai-fight-king-muay-thai-bangkok-june-sudsakorn-sor-klinmee-thailand-dimitri-masson-switzerland-extreme-june-image31958218

VK Profile of Thai Fight?:  https://vk.com/thaifight  His

Profile on muaythaitv used 3 times: h ttps://muaythaitv.us/fighters/behzad-rafigh-doust-f3980.html

Interview (self published source) : https://apmma.net/behzad-rafigh-doust-discusses-his-journey-from-fighting-to-coaching/

Fight result, with only name and weight mention.: https://www.irna.ir/news/9931323/مسابقات-موی-تای-ایران-با-قهرمانی-کردستان-پایان-یافت

List of hundreds of fights in 2013 with only the subject’s name listed:  https://www.allthebestfights.com/k1-muay-thai-ranking-videos-fight-of-the-year-2013

inaccessible Japanese  Blog : http://blog.sina.cn/dpool/blog/s/blog_5eb5ba0701014fsb.html

Sherdog Forum discussion : https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/k-1-asia-max-2013.2367625/

Amateur fight/event results:  http://www.iranmuaythai.com/fa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21:-2008&catid=4:1390-02-16-11-08-59&Itemid=44

In addition, the article has been written by User:MMA Kid, a sockpuppet of JRM2018 who is blocked indefinitely.

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Delete. reviewed and mostly (wouldnt characterize the interview as non-reliable and that is certainly a chinese site) agree with your assessment of the prior citations. was unable to find significant coverage. while WP:MMA isnt policy, agree per WP:NKICK and WP:SIGCOV fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant is that interviews should be treated like self-published material. Lekkha Moun (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Little to no coverage, this was all I found [49]. Sources are as explained above. Delete for lack of sourcing Oaktree b (talk) 13:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG or evidence he meets WP:ANYBIO or WP:NKICK. Article consists mainly of a list of fights, many of which don't even have his opponents' full name (e.g., "Javier from Spain", "Alex from Switzerland", etc.). Papaursa (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ki Society

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Dubious notability (WP:NCORP/WP:GNG). The article has no footnotes, there is a list of possible sources in 'Further reading' but no indication they mention this organization. My BEFORE fails to find anything except a few passing mentions (like in this academic article, which is reliable but WP:SIGCOV is an issue - passing mentions in two sentences are not good enough, I fear); maybe there are sources in Japanese but ja wiki article is no better than ours. This is about to be deleted from pl wiki (where we recently cleaned a bunch of articles on non-notable Polish akido organizations that nobody except themselves have noticed). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lacks significant independent coverage. The same is true of the Japanese wiki article. My own search found many mentions of "ki", but not of this particular "society". Ki is a general term, but significant independent coverage of this group is hard to find. Please notify me if coverage showing WP notability is found. Papaursa (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jamie Humphreys

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Non-notable rugby player. Coverage from reliable sources is clearly lacking, and there isn't any evidence that subject warrants a standalone article. Fails WP:NATHLETE. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Current first grade player in one of the top tier rugby league competitions (NRL) at the start of his career. I found some coverage. [50], [51], [52]. LibStar (talk) 02:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: In the interest of completeness, I wanted to point out that the first nomination from 2009 was for an article on a different Jamie Humphreys (an author) than the rugby league footballer that is the current subject. (No opinion.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yes this Jamie Humphreys was 7 at the time of the other AfD. LibStar (talk) 06:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. When someone is getting a full page in the Sydney Morning Herald, they meet GNG.[53]Doctorhawkes (talk) 11:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article needs some work, but a quick Google search shows this easily passes WP:SPORTCRIT. J Mo 101 (talk) 13:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per above.Fleets (talk) 08:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hyderabad Heroes

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Fails WP:NSPORT with very limited WP:SIGCOV Agent 007 (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: It has just been created. Within the next couple of days, more details and sources will be added. It’s foolish to list it for deletion without giving it time to be completed. OCDD (talk) 06:56, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should be completed in draft space. Draftify Mn1548 (talk) 07:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Darren Walsh (tennis)

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This tennis player never played an ATP Tour level, Grand Slam or Davis Cup match, there are no references on this article and when I searched I found only very brief, passing mentions usually in results lists and one story on the University of Bath website about his doubles partner which mentioned they played together but nothing substantial about him. I therefore believe this article fails GNG and SIGCOV guidelines and should be deleted. I would have Prodded it but a check of the edit history reveals it was Prodded in 2015 and deProdded using what I think are now defunct criteria. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Challenger doubles title is of a high enough level to meet WP:NTENNIS. My search for sources has found a small bio at [55], but his relatively common name is polluting my search results with entries about other people. Iffy★Chat -- 13:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I may be missing something (and I apologise if I am) but the link goes to a diary style article about an under 14s event that, yes mentions Mr Walsh, but is written by one of his fellow 14 year old teammates. Also having a common name does not give you a pass to say the article should exist. How about adding the word tennis to your search? I did so and, as I stated, discovered routine match results and the aforementioned university story about his doubles partner. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That source I found has a few biographical details in the bottom right which si more than you get from a lot of WP:ROUTINE coverage. I haven't !voted yet as you opened this AfD only a few hours ago and I want to spend more time looking for sources. Iffy★Chat -- 15:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with the nominator that there is a lack of significant coverage to establish notability as most mentions are brief. Note that WP:NTENNIS is saying that people who reach achieve in one of the 5 categories listedare likely to have coverage that meets notability guidelines, not that the achievement itself indicates notability.

Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And, as a comment, I'm not convinced winning a challenger tournament is a good indicator of whether significant, non-routine coverage would exist for a player.Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. If news sources appears, I'll change the vote. Svartner (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Austria Billie Jean King Cup team

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Article appears to undergo regular edits with no WP:RS, Suggest merging content with Billie Jean King Cup which already contains details about the competitors. Variety312 (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is no deletion rationale presented above. Was a WP:BEFORE search performed? Also, the suggested merge target is completely inappropriate. Billie Jean King Cup is the article that contains all the high level information about the competition from its founding as the Federation Cup to the present day, and currently has 0 mention of this particular team (and also has 0 depth of any other team at the level this article goes in to). AfD isn't supposed to be used to propose bad merges or as a time pressured source finding/article improvement tool. Iffy★Chat -- 16:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a notable Billie Jean King Cup team so why on earth would we delete it? Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:14, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I have found no sources indicating the Austria team for the Fed cup/Billie Jean King cup is or has been notable. There is routine coverage of their results from certain years, but I have not found anything else. Merely claiming it is a notable BJK team does not make it so, there needs to be sources to meet general notability.

Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 00:12, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, you asked for sources, here's some: [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62]. Is that enough for you? Iffy★Chat -- 10:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of these sources seem to be more than coverage of the team's results or their hopes for the Fed Cup/BJK cup. In my opinion, these would fall under routine coverage as it's pretty common for teams/players to be interviewed before, during, and after tournaments. I don't think these sources establish notability per WP:NSPORT or WP:ROUTINE. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 22:41, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is what you're going to get for sports teams. If there's consistent year round coverage of their performance/team composition, that should go towards notability. I'd struggle to find many sources even for Austria national football team that wouldn't meet some definition of routine. Jevansen (talk) 23:02, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete article has been here since 2007. Should have some sources by now showing wider coverage. Ramos1990 (talk) 21:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More sources: [63] [64] [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] - The fact that the sources aren't currently in the article isn't a basis for deletion. It's an reason to improve the article. Iffy★Chat -- 21:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bone Street Krew

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A bunch of guys hanging out backstage rumored to have heat with The Kliq and believed to have been created as a counter to them, but the myth has been busted. They do not have any incidents like the "Curtain Call" by the Kliq. They only teamed once onscreen in a Survivor Series match in 1995, apparently called "The Darkside", unlike The Kliq who had The Outsiders going to WCW, nWo and DX. Just because of the rumors, this could be merged to The Kliq article or The Undertaker#Personal life because of his visible tattoo (or "locker room leadership"). BinaryBrainBug (talk) 19:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Russian Assassins

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Tag team that lasted a year. Chief problem is WP:GNG: main sources are database entries, with a WP:BEFORE check pulling up nothing substantial. Two books are cited with this article: one page from an overview of WWE wrestling in the 80s (Shields: inaccessible on Google Books, but it would be hard to argue significant coverage from a single page overviewing an era of pro wrestling), and another broad book covering the history of pro wrestling. Nothing standalone is the concern with these cites. /over.throws/^✎ 16:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Even if it lasted for a year, it still attracted enough coverage to warrant a standalone article here. In principle, as David used to mention , Delete is reserved for when nothing else can be done to save/salvage. Information purged is information lost. This is apolitical, informational, and non controvertial (in wiki sense) , hence the suggestion. Devopam (talk) 05:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seth Skyfire

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Same problems the article had years ago, when the article was deleted. A local wrestler who worked on independent promotions. No notable. Sources are just WP:ROUTINE results, with no in-deep coverage or focus around the wrestler. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Better Than You Bay Bay

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AEW tag team where they wrestled together for only two months. One singles main event at All In is not good enough for an article. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 15:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support no notable tag team with just a few wp:routine mentions. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:34, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cage of Agony

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Pretty much the same content as in Mogul Embassy and Gates of Agony. Suggest redirect to either of them. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 15:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Well, I ported it to Pro Wrestling Wiki but it got deleted there too. I guess PW Wiki has a gatekeeper. Yay. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:39, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. and no indication further input is forthcoming. This does not preclude a redirect, which does not require admin action. Star Mississippi 19:12, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A.J. Styles and Christopher Daniels

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TNA team lasting just six months with very short title reigns. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect Seems to rely on limited sources. May be better transfer some of this to AJ Styles main page and delete the article. Ramos1990 (talk)

It's not a redirect !vote if you're saying to delete the article. I'm not sure whether you want a redirect, merge, or delete? Your !vote seems to advocate for all three. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I beleive redirecting means the article ceases to exist, and is thus redirected to another article. Ramos1990 (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep They were Pro Wrestling Illustrated tag team of the year in 2006. No deletion rationale has been provided for this, or any of the nominator's other AfDs. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Short title reigns and tag team of the year is not good enough. For example, Kane and X-Pac, Kofi Kingston and R-Truth does not and should not have articles even though they were champions and won the award. Most of the content in this article seems excessive. The most significant part is their matches with America's Most Wanted and LAX, but that is summarized well in both men's articles. See AJ Styles#X Division Champion (2004–2007) and Christopher Daniels#X Division Champion (2005–2007). BinaryBrainBug (talk) 07:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Two-Man Power Trip

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WWF team lasting less than two months. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 20:33, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lasted that length due to injury to Triple H but in that two months, was a very significant part of their programming in early-mid 2001. No. It does not get deleted. Russ Jericho (talk) 11:39, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Russ Jericho: Could you explain the significance of the team with reliable sources (check WP:PW/RS)? BinaryBrainBug (talk) 19:21, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://prowrestling.fandom.com/wiki/The_Power_Trip 67.198.117.6 (talk) 03:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge. Only has one source and was made by an IP in 2005. After all this time, it should have improved if it was notable. May be better as a section in Stone Cold or Triple Hs page. More of a fan page than encyclopedia entry. Ramos1990 (talk)
Weak keep There's a source in the article. Probably more out there. Unlikely the nominator did the requied WP:BEFORE search based on the speed of their other nominations. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Merge~~,Weak keep, as I said previously, this is a bit tabloidy, but also needs more sources, however for the subject matter, I could be convinced that it is a weak keep at best. Iljhgtn (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP, has substantial notability and support by the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) and the fanbase, and the faction appears frequently in various articles. More citations and perhaps a bit of detail are needed however. WorldClassChampion (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete. What this, or really any, article needs is independent, reliable sources not hype. The best I could find was the Sportster which, IMO, isn't enough. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:07, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sportspeople

Caleb Smith (soccer)

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. The article also seems to have been heavily edited by the subject himself. JTtheOG (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Leeroy Maguraushe

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this Zimbabwean footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Darren Walsh (tennis)

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This tennis player never played an ATP Tour level, Grand Slam or Davis Cup match, there are no references on this article and when I searched I found only very brief, passing mentions usually in results lists and one story on the University of Bath website about his doubles partner which mentioned they played together but nothing substantial about him. I therefore believe this article fails GNG and SIGCOV guidelines and should be deleted. I would have Prodded it but a check of the edit history reveals it was Prodded in 2015 and deProdded using what I think are now defunct criteria. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Challenger doubles title is of a high enough level to meet WP:NTENNIS. My search for sources has found a small bio at [71], but his relatively common name is polluting my search results with entries about other people. Iffy★Chat -- 13:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I may be missing something (and I apologise if I am) but the link goes to a diary style article about an under 14s event that, yes mentions Mr Walsh, but is written by one of his fellow 14 year old teammates. Also having a common name does not give you a pass to say the article should exist. How about adding the word tennis to your search? I did so and, as I stated, discovered routine match results and the aforementioned university story about his doubles partner. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That source I found has a few biographical details in the bottom right which si more than you get from a lot of WP:ROUTINE coverage. I haven't !voted yet as you opened this AfD only a few hours ago and I want to spend more time looking for sources. Iffy★Chat -- 15:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with the nominator that there is a lack of significant coverage to establish notability as most mentions are brief. Note that WP:NTENNIS is saying that people who reach achieve in one of the 5 categories listedare likely to have coverage that meets notability guidelines, not that the achievement itself indicates notability.

Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And, as a comment, I'm not convinced winning a challenger tournament is a good indicator of whether significant, non-routine coverage would exist for a player.Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. If news sources appears, I'll change the vote. Svartner (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Krešimir Luetić

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Croatian men's footballer who spent his entire career in lower levels without evidence of meeting WP:GNG. Two secondary sources I found were Dalmatinski Nogomet articles from 2022 and 2024, both of which are passing mentions. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buumba Halwand

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Declined prod. Sources 2-6 are all databases or results listing. The first book source is actually a small 1 line mention. No SIGCOV exists to meetnWP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 04:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Zambia at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV. Willing to reconsider my !vote if sources come up, so please ping me. Frank Anchor 14:45, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on WP:NEXIST. I expanded the article with a few new WP:RS sources I found the day before it was nominated. Zambia is a notoriously difficult country to research, and there is broadly speaking a systemic bias against African countries and people that affects the level of coverage available to us. Subject was the top marathon runner from his country so coverage should exist in Zambian newspaper sources from the era as soon as they are available to us. --Habst (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:BASIC. The article is already a stub anyway, and the subject performed at an international level (and top of his country) and covered in reliable sources. Although the coverage is not significant, pulled together, they demonstrate notability, and at the very least, passed our BASIC test. I do agree with Habst about getting sources for some African countries especially for the older generation whose achievements would have been covered in their local press but have not been digitized yet for the internet age, and only available in their local archives. I experienced a similar problem many years ago when researching a particular individual and had to make a personal visit to the local archive and the media house's archive. This is why I'm always more lenient when it concerns much older African figures because most of the local African coverage at the time have not been digitised yet. Some of these African media houses (especially older ones) are aware of this and are working to digitize them with the limited resources they have, but just not fast enough. I'm therefore more sympathetic to the older generation who contributed a lot but have not been recognised due to these technical issues. However, for younger African generation, I'm less lenient because they are part of the internet age and getting coverage shouldn't be difficult. Tamsier (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zambia at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics. It seems we are all agreed that there is insufficient sources to meet GNG/BASIC. Tamsier cites BASIC, but by saying the coverage is "not significant", it is evident that we do not, in fact, reach BASIC, which states it is met where the subject received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. What we have clearly falls short for several reasons. An IAR case is being made that sources may exist in undigitised newspaper archives. Setting aside that any such coverage may well be primary, and thus excluded from notability considerations, there is a question as to whether any credence be given to the possibility of such sourcing in establishing notability for article retention. I agree that non English sources, and African sources can be troublesome to locate, but the flaw in the IAR argument is this: if the sources are simply unavailable to any editor, then no editor can write this page. They cannot write it unless and until sources become available, and so we are in the same position as someone we think should be covered, but about whom no sources have yet been published. It does not improve the encyclopaedia to retain an unwritable sub-stub about someone who may or may not meet notability requirements. The Redirect ATD retains the page history, for whatever it's worth. Notability is not met, the artcle can't be written. Deletion is appropriate but a redirect ATD is a suitable alternative. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Duarte

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 00:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I find no sources for this soccer player. What's in the article are primary only. Appears to still be in the minor leagues, so might not have attained enough notice for more media coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSCRIT. No significant coverage in independent sources. The player doesn’t seem notable enough for a separate article. Pridemanty (talk) 06:25, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson McCracken

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 00:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:36, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Issues and Answers

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Deprodded with source, but there's still not much out there

Duncan McCormick

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Currently the only sources in the article are primary to the teams the subject played for, and all I could find elsewhere was a couple of paragraphs at [[72]], which isn't enough for the relevant notability standards to be met IMO. Let'srun (talk) 23:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The most I found was this piece. Fails WP:GNG and SPORTBASIC. JTtheOG (talk) 01:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Brandt

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Subject appears to not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of reliable WP:SIGCOV. There is some coverage from the Penn student newspaper at [[73]] but it isn't independent. Let'srun (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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In addition, I don't agree with the sourcing in the first AfD being adequate enough. Let'srun (talk) 23:17, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:NSPORT. Mekomo (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cyrus Rad

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I am unable to find any in-depth coverage of this American soccer player. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:13, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Beyond match reports [74], I don't find sourcing for this person. That's likely a primary source anyway, so of no help for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Víctor Serrano

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Declined prod with no attempt to add additional sources. Lacking third party in-depth coverage to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 17:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Puerto Rico at the 1976 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV. Willing to reconsider my !vote if sources come up, so please ping me. Frank Anchor 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per Frank Anchor. Svartner (talk) 12:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I expanded the article with several new sources that clear the bar for WP:SIGCOV, especially when taken together with WP:BASIC "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". With the new details I've found, I'm hoping more sources can be found as well as there are many different Víctor Serranos but you can narrow the search by specifying one of the details alongside the name. Pinging User:Frank Anchor and User:Svartner to take a look at the new sources. Subject was a Puerto Rican record-holder and Olympian with a long career throughout the 1970s and 1980s. --Habst (talk) 15:35, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fine for me, keep per WP:HEY. Svartner (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the excellent work done by Habst to demonstrate notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agripa Mwausegha

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Declined prod with no attempt to add additional sources. Lacking third party in-depth coverage to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Malawi at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV. Willing to reconsider my !vote if sources come up, so please ping me. Frank Anchor 17:43, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I just improved the article with some new third-party WP:RS. I'll add that there is usually no obligation for a person contesting a PROD to do anything in particular; for the most part, PRODs can be challenged for any reason or no reason at all.

I think the WP:NEXIST case is strong for this subject, with achievements going far beyond just "participation" but qualifying in four events across three different major international competitions. Malawi is a notoriously difficult country to research, and every single one of the newspapers in Malawi are all either not accessible at all, or do not have online archives going back to the 1980s when Mwausegha was most prominent. Should someone search even one of these daily papers in the 1980s and find nothing on Mwausegha, I would happily retract my !vote. But evidence from similar AfDs shows that Olympians of Mwausegha's caliber tend to have coverage available when we can actually access the relevant archives. --Habst (talk) 00:32, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Malawi at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics: WP:SPORTSBASIC requires at least one piece of WP:SIGCOV to be included, and currently there is nothing of the sort here, as the only sources are race results which don't provide the in-depth, secondary coverage we need. Redirect as a WP:ATD with no prejudice against recreation if actual significant coverage can be found. Let'srun (talk) 17:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Crispin Quispe

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Declined prod with the rather weak reason "appears to be a famous person in his country." We need significant third party coverage to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT which is lacking here. LibStar (talk) 15:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, expanded the article with lots of coverage existing in Opinion, Radio Patria Nueva, Channel 13 News, and Sistema Nacional de Radios de los Pueblos Originarios. My wording isn't great but I might come back to it later. One of these sources was already linked in the article when it was nominated, I think that part of WP:BEFORE should be to assess the sources already linked in the article at least. --Habst (talk) 23:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: While two of the added sources are interviews which don't contribute to notability, [[75]] appears to be WP:SIGCOV as there are multiple paragraphs of coverage dedicated to the subject. Good job Habst on expanding this article. Let'srun (talk) 02:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At least for the Radio Patria Nueva / Sistema Nacional de Radios de los Pueblos Originarios source, much of the coverage is the broadcaster or reporter speaking about Quispe and not Quispe himself speaking. --Habst (talk) 12:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per new sources added by Habst. Svartner (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the excellent work done by Habst to demonstrate notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brigitte Nganaye

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Declined prod. All the sources provided are databases or results listings and not SIGCOV for meeting WP:SPORTSBASIC. Keep voters should provide actual in-depth sources and not simply invoke NEXIST. LibStar (talk) 14:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep via WP:NEXIST. I understand the nominating statement, but per comment, "It goes against our ethics on ADL for a nominator to dictate to the community which guidlines they should not invoke in their rationale/votes".

There's a few details on this AfD that make this subject a better NEXIST candidate than most other athlete biographies. Subject qualified for the Olympics in two different events, and set three national records that still stand throughout her career. We have data from three different independently-compiled WP:RS describing a career over nine years, far longer than most other Olympians. And most importantly, the Central African Republic newspapers which would have covered the subject have not been checked because their archives are not available online:

Be Afrika: No online archive
Centrafrique Presse: Earliest online archive is from February 2008
Le Citoyen: Archive here only covers some months from 1999 and 2000, it's worth a look but is only available to CRL member institutions
Le Confident: No online archive
Le Democrate: No online archive found
E Le Songo: No online archive found
Echo de Centrafrique: No online archive found

Because the most likely avenues for coverage have not not been checked, there is a systemic bias against African countries, and the RS and WP:V info we do have is indicative of notability, a keep decision would be justified. --Habst (talk) 16:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Well, there is some confirmation that the person exists in the BNF Gallica resource [76], the "athlétisme" magazine has this person listed. I don't find anything else about them. I understand bias, but we have no sources. There might not be coverage in the CAF newspaper archives; I don't want to see a bunch of stub articles left around because we're unable to verify the sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 18:44, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kwikiriza Shafik Nana

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I can't seem to find any WP:SIGCOV on this player, not to mention the fact that the article is terrible, which is neither here nor there. Anwegmann (talk) 03:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moses Aliro

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This article is massively incomplete and poorly formed and needs to be draftified, at the very least. I also was not able to find any meaningful WP:SIGCOV on this player beyond transfer notices and similar sources. Anwegmann (talk) 03:59, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April Hutchinson

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Does not meet WP:NATHLETE, and the page is almost entirely comprised by primary sources not independent of the subject for statements of fact, primary sources of non notable sporting events, low quality unreliable blogs such as Reduxx, and generally unreliable or outright unreliable news sources such as Fox News, Rebel News, and New York Post on issues related to GENSEX to the point where once those sources are excised the subject does not meet any form of notability even as an Anti-Trans activist. Page was accepted after a series of failed reviews despite no edits between the last review pointing out the problems with the page and the acceptance by a separate reviewer, which may explain some of these problems. Relm (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify or Delete I believe this article was not ready to come out of draft space, and the editor who worked on it had not responded to the critique of the previous submission or touched Wikipedia since. I think the issues with the page are substantial enough to consider outright deletion, but sending it back to draft space for the original author - should they return to the project - to continue to get used to WP:RSP may be sufficient. Relm (talk) 00:46, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is false.

Here are the current citations and sports accomplishments that are notable:

North American Powerlifting Federation

Megyn Kelly Show

Open Powerlifting

Alberta Assembly

CBC News

New York Post

NBC 15 News

London Free Press (2)

Fox News (2)

Newsweek

Outkick (2)

CTV News

Sports achievements:

North American Regional Powerlifting Championships

Gold medal – first place 2022 Panama Masters 1

Silver medal – second place 2022 Cayman Islands Masters 1

Nationals

Silver medal – second place 2022 Newfoundland Masters 1

Gold medal – first place 2023 British Columbia Masters 1

Central Canadian Powerlifting and Bench Press Championships

Gold medal – first place 2021 Ontario Masters 1

Ontario Provincials

Gold medal – first place 2022 Ontario Open

OPA Masters and Open Provincial Powerlifting Championship

Gold medal – first place 2023 Ontario Masters 1

Reduxx has one single article.

This request is not accurate. QcAmbitious (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Crossposting from the talk page[77]

Please familiarize yourself with WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NATHLETE, WP:RELIABLE, WP:PRIMARY/WP:SECONDARY, WP:INDEPENDENT, and WP:DUE.

A source existing does not make the source notable, nor does it make it reliable. Wikipedia prioritizes reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

This page is primarily built on primary sources not independent of the author, or which do not provide any semblance of notability such as the direct links to event placements and her personal details. Primary sources are okay in some circumstances, but in this case all that would be left in early life is a link to her own page cited to a claim that she was born in Ontario. Career beginnings section is exclusively cited to primary sources. So far there is nothing to suggest this person is notable as an athlete, just that their athletic profile exists. If someone made a page for me and cited my USChess profile, that would not make me notable as a chess player - what would is if reliable secondary sources discuss my play.

The 'women's rights advocate' claim is sourced to a Megyn Kelly appearance. Megyn Kelly's show - and syndicated television news generally speaking - is not a reliable source.

The activism section is sourced to a vimeo video by the subject, rebel news (not a reliable source [78]), a link to assembly minutes (Primary source); and then a citelist of a podcast, two WP:UNDUE blogposts, and a link to a primary source from an anti trans advocacy group.

So now we get to the Controversy section.

Hutchinson gained attention after being removed from the "Resilient London: Meet Your Neighbours" exhibit at Museum London, Ontario, due to her comments on transgender athletes.

This claim is cited to 7 sources. CBC News (mostly reliable with the caveat that it's state funded), Reduxx (a hate blog), another blog, the New York Post (Unreliable per WP:NYPOST), a local affiliate of NBC which does not actually contribute to the claim but rather is just a primary source for the comments themselves, London Free Press (A local newspaper), GB news (unreliable, and would be deprecated if it was cited more [79]), and Fox news (unreliable WP:FOXNEWS).

We then have an accidental double cite of the same CBC news article, Newsweek (used to be reliable, but now isn't WP:NEWSWEEK), True North (definitely an unreliable news source and I'm happy to take that to WP:RSN if you want confirmation). We then have Fox News again, Daily Citizen (an anti LGBT advocacy group, not a news source), true north again, and then Fox News a third time. Next is a triplet of sources, the first to a blogpost, the second to Sportskeeda - which I have never heard of but I will assume for the benefit of the doubt that it is fine, and Outkick (which is under FOX News). Outkick again, and the earlier local newspaper from her home town.

The personal life snippet about alcoholism is sourced to Gamesday London (sports section of the earlier local paper) and CTV which is fine.

So after all of that, we are left with:

A single CBC article and potentially a Sportskeeda article covering her comments and the aftermath, and the CTV article about her alcoholism.

That's 2, possibly 3, reliable secondary sources at best to provide notability. This is a local interest story picked up by anti trans advocates, but she is not even notable for that relative to other figures like Riley Gaines. This person does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. Relm (talk) 13:30, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as there is WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources about the subject speaking out about trans women participating in powerlifting, e.g. The London Free Press, CBC News, a local NBC news affiliate, The Montreal Gazette (November 2023) and The Windsor Star (June 2024). There are also two articles before this time in 2022 about the subject's path to powerlifting in The London Free Press and CTV News. I can understand how these could be missed given the multiple non-independent, non-Wikipedia notable references in the article. Nonetheless, the article appears to meet WP:BASIC. Not sure if article meets WP:NATH as there is no Wikipedia policy guidance on this; the subject has placed 1st five times and 2nd two times in competitions. Note that this article cleared the WP:AFC process last month. Nnev66 (talk) 17:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These were not missed and were discussed in my above post save the Montreal Gazette and Windsor Star (not in the article to my knowledge). The issue is that of the sources which are left with the exception of CTV News and CBC News, these are all local papers - and they're all covering the same two local interest stories about this person. There is a paucity of reliable sources above the local level, and what they cover does not seem to make this individual notable as an athlete or as an activist. In regards to the AFC, the article was declined three times, and the last one in January - the page received no edits between being declined for serious issues and being accepted by a different reviewer last month. Relm (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Burchart

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Non-notable pitcher. No sources beyond databases and obituaries. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Clearly notable as an MLB pitcher with nearly 30 games and, as every modern MLB player, plenty of coverage -- e.g. this (p2), this and this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per BeanieFan11. This is why WP:NBASE was helpful. So we didn't have to have these endless debates about everyone ever. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I guess I know who to take to GA next. Nom should do a bit more research before nominating. I found a large number of sources without even having to look all that hard. Wizardman 22:32, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per BeanieFan11's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Try WP:BEFORE next time. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep, No sources beyond databases and obituaries. the man appears to be alive. Did you nominate a different article than the one you were intending to? Star Mississippi 17:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yutaro Yoshino

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With 7 J3 appearances, [80], he doesn't seem notable, but as he played in Brazil briefly there may be stuff out there. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only consists of routine announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - Have fleshed out article with two in-depth articles detailing his time in Brazil, as well as multiple other smaller articles. Meets GNG. Zênite (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Oh wow, fantastic additions Zênite! I would be very happy to keep the article now after the WP:HEY. I can't speedy close this due to Clara's delete but I will ping @Clariniie: to ask her to look at it again :) RossEvans19 (talk) - 17:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources from Targma seem to have significant coverage: 2020 and 2024. I'm just not sure if the source is reliable. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – I found this in Brazilian media [81], [82], basically talking about his signing by Sport Capixaba in 2016 and summarizing his time in Brazil. I don't know if it's enough, but it can certainly help. Svartner (talk) 05:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer announcements do not count as significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above which show (apparently - AGF!) notability. Giant Snowman 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Masato Hashimoto

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Prod previously declined. 13 J3 appearances before playing the rest of their career in non league. Has not played since 2023. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only consists of routine announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Just one single source to verify, fails WP:GNG. 🦅White-tailed eagle^{Talk to the eagle}Stalking eagle 21:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. PS don't think there's a 'non league' as we know it in Japan... Giant Snowman 17:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yutaro Masuda

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Prod previously declined. Made only 13 professional appearances, the rest are non league. [83] Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Played mostly in the Japan Football League, which is not fully professional, and does not have signal of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 05:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only provides two references that are routine. RossEvans19 forgot to mention that this article was created by a user who ended up being permanently blocked for creating a lot of articles about non-notable Japanese footballers. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. PS don't think there's a 'non league' as we know it in Japan... Giant Snowman 17:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Al-Rabeeah

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Declined prod. All sources are still just databases and insufficient for meeting WP:SPORTBASIC. LibStar (talk) 02:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, coverage found in Al Qabas, 6 August 1978 page 16: [84]. There is also coverage in Al Qabas 19 January 1985 edition page 10 though I am not sure if that one is a namesake. Subject was a 1976 Olympian from Kuwait where sourcing access is sparse, but I think that there's enough indication here to know that further coverage exists. --Habst (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Page 16 appears to be just adverts. Do you mean page 17? What have you found? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He's listed on page 16 (Arabic is read right to left), page 17 is the one with the adverts, next to pictures of athletics. I don't know enough Arabic to translate but I think surely due to the OCR issues we've discussed even one relevant match in the woefully incomplete archive.org collection is a very telling sign that there's good coverage out there. --Habst (talk) 23:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Arabic is read right to left, but in that case it is page 2. The Internet Archive numbers left to right and seems to reorder the pages thus, so the page is 17. No matter. I have also noticed a discrepancy in the Internet Archive numbering if you search for a word on a page. It seems to be off by one, so I expect that is where the confusion came in. I'll take a closer look at page 2/17 or whatever it is. :) Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So the article in question is titled "The national athletics team begins its camp today" and tells us "The national athletics team begins its training camp and leaves the country today for Al-Asab." The page subject is one of 22 names listed. This is a passing mention and not SIGCOV. We would expect he would show up in a few such listings but that does not speak to encyclopaedic notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still disagree about the paging, archive.org says "p16" when you search for the name. Before I found this match I wouldn't expect that Al-Rabeeah would show up in any such listings at all, given that I've searched for dozens of Middle Eastern historical athletes at AfD recently and most have little to no online presence. Given the OCR issues discussed in archive.org texts, I think that this one match is indicative of further coverage that we simply aren't equipped to find yet as non-Arabic speakers. --Habst (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that archive.org tells you it is 16 when you search text on the page. That is what I said about being off by one, and I really don't think it matters. We found the mention. But you see that ١٧ in the top left of the page? That is the number 17. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kuwait at the 1976 Summer Olympics - Another non notable mass produced stub created with no evidence of notability, and I cannot find any elsewhere. Does not meet WP:NATH. We don't need these stubs of every competitor, and no reason to believe that any in depth secondary coverage exists. Should be deleted, but redirecting is a suitable and cheap WP:ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reginaldo Ndong

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Declined prod. Whilst it looks like a lot of sources, 8 of the 9 are databases or results listing and not enough to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. The only third party source is this one and is a small mention and not SIGCOV, the source is about the more famous Mark Lewis-Francis. LibStar (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. We have so much WP:V info about this subject from WP:RS documenting a career spanning more than six years, which is why I expanded the article to include some of that info I found. There is without a doubt more coverage in Equatoguinean sources, but the sad reality is the vast majority of those sources are only available in physical media for the time being. To prove this, I went through all the publications at List of newspapers in Equatorial Guinea and checked (keeping in mind the subject's career peaked around 2003 to 2008):

El Ebano: Archives only go back to August 2020
Ahora EG: Archives only go to March 2019 (click the "next" button until the end)
La Gaceta: Archives only go to February 2023
La Nacion: Could not find an online archive
La Opinion: Archives only go to September 2016
El Tiempo: Could not find an online archive
La Verdad: Archives only go to July 2014
La voz del pueblo: Could not find an online archive
Diario Rombe: Established in 2012

So, we don't have access to a single Equatoguinean newspaper from the subject's time period, when we know he was regarded as "the nation's best" according to American media. I am also convinced by User:Tamsier's argument in Special:Diff/1284809145 that there is a systemic bias against African countries broadly, and we should take that into account when evaluating the accessibility of sources. --Habst (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: meets WP:NTRACK as the top Equatoguinean sprinter in the mid-2000s per this FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Proquest search only turns up the Sunday Telegraph source, on the page and also mentioned by FyzzyMagma. That one is interesting, even though it does not count towards notability. It is primary for the race and little - if anything - to write an article from. There are 43 words about the page subject. It is not SIGCOV, but it says, in full, it would have taken a career- best from Equitorial Guinea's Reginaldo Micha Ndong. "Reggie" clocked 11.47sec at the last World Championships when only 16. He is his country's finest but yesterday's 11.27sec was yards short of putting our Mark out of the afternoon. We need someone to be writing about the subject, not just mentioning that he ran in a race. Leaning delete here, but let's see if anything else can come to light. Also, is there a suitable redirect target? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Without comment on the rest, order of suitable redirect targets for Olympians should always be:

1. <country> at the <year> Summer Olympics for one-time Olympians

2. If not mentioned or country page does not exist, link to only Olympic event results article

3. If multiple events / Olympics, pick the event results article the subject finished best at

4. If finish is the same, pick the latest event

So for this case it would be Equatorial Guinea at the 2008 Summer Olympics. --Habst (talk) 20:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. I'll keep looking a bit longer for sources before entering a !vote. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. From my experience in writing an article on a recent Equatoguinean Olympian, it appears that the country gives a good deal of coverage to their prominent athletes. In this case, he was known as "the best" in Equatorial Guinea per ~~American~~ British media. That the ~~American~~ British media somehow knows he was regarded as Number 1 in Equatorial Guinea indicates that there would be coverage in Equatorial Guinea of him. Remember that not one Equatoguinean newspaper has been searched, since no archives are accessible to us. Yet we still know that he was very accomplished in his country and regarded as the best. Further, the pretty decent expansion of the article arguably satisfies WP:NBASIC, which notes that If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. However, I think this should also be an instance where WP:COMMONSENSE should be used and we should admit that the odds the number one athlete in a nation would not have coverage -- when we know they give decent coverage to their top athletes and nothing has been searched -- is so very slim that a strict application of the rules would not be helpful to the encyclopedia. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Sunday Telegraph is British, not American. "He is his country's finest" implies that he was the runner with the fastest current times for his country at that point. It was speaking in the context of a single race and not necessarily as an all time great. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How can someone be the "his country's finest" in only a single race? You can be a nation's "best performer", maybe, but I don't think that wording fits and I don't think that interpretation of the text is accurate. Considering the newspaper went into his race results from a year past, I think there is some more general proclamation being made here. --Habst (talk) 15:45, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I said fastest current times (plural), leading to his selection to compete in that race. He is the country's finest because he is there. Nothing in that article, occasioned by a report of the British interest in it, can be used to infer that he was the finest ever for his country. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Naji Mubarak

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Declined prod. The article is only based on databases and requires indepth third party sources to meet WP:SPORTBASIC. LibStar (talk) 23:35, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, I found a source I think is SIGCOV on the subject in Al Qabas, page 23 here: [85] Unfortunately the OCR is horrendous, but this is the translation of the first part of the article with DeepL proving it provides coverage on the subject: "2 Alah Shah 5 the athletics machine in the tournament and came asp the stakes which was established in 1913 160 Q 166 and also beat the Mexican injury winning mare Razza Aa Aa Dai Ci and is located at the center of the center of the r Aa Aa Aa 16-7 and Ali Al Anzushefi Akim defeat and against 7 wins in the race Der Baksar Baksar III in Azmi, Turkey for the third Madjaba Madad III. To diagnose and evaluate cases: Players to Topas 161-149. Two draws ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ games while China's Sa'abiya came second in the 11m hurdles (the height of the side of the physical therapy devices to advance), and Digiz had only a NEE Epsom ۔ ے Amir ے Ami ۔ ۔ ۔ ̓ ̓ in the 91cm hurdle). 0 team mare Heliette Nah in the gold medal race and Sasdol Naji Abdullah Mubarak in the bronze medal race. He had difficulty exchanging punches in the Yarmouk heptathlon here on Wednesday...." Given that it's an exact name match and talking about hurdles, it's definitely about the subject.

This paper is from 1980, which would mean the subject was only 16-17 when being written about by a major national paper here. We know from WP:RS that he continued to improve for at least four years following that (likely more considering we don't have good Arab Championships coverage) including a PB in 1983, which is far more than we know about most other Kuwaiti Olympians from the era. Due to the source and WP:NEXIST, I think a keep decision would be justified. --Habst (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One other thing I'd bring up is, considering the poor OCR quality, how many hits in Al Qabas or other newspapers about the subject are we missing just because his name was transcribed by a computer incorrectly? Having an Arabic speaker to help search for variations or common scannos of the name would help a lot. --Habst (talk) 00:42, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where are you getting that translation from? and based on what? Page 23 of that issue is not about athletics at all, although four youth athletes are mentioned on page 24, so I thought this might be the article you are looking at, but I cannot see anything there that would match the above translation. I downloaded the full OCR text for the issue here [86] but there is no mention of the page subject. No Mubarek. No Yarmouk. No Epsom or any of the other likely words there. The strangeness of the OCR would likely be caused by the lines of an adjacent article becoming mixed with the lines of this article, so it would be easy enough (or at least possible) to find and read the article correctly if we knew where it was, but it doesn't seem to be where you say. What I can say is that the youth report on page 24 falls in the realm of WP:YOUNGATH. It is also a news report of results, and so a primary source, and it is not SIGCOV. We need much better than this, and this is not really evidence of any significant coverage. To be clear, I can find coverage of this nature in old newspapers about me - and I am sure as heck not notable for my sporting prowess. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I found it. Naji Abdullah Mubarak gets 27 words in the second column of the report I was looking in (remember to read from the right), second bullet from the bottom. He was competing in heptathlon, his jump reached 91cm but then he ran into difficulties. As I thought, the above OCR mess is caused by running across the columns of the report, so it is mixing various reports together there. "Sasdol", for instance, is from the next column, so shouldn't be there. In any case, not SIGCOV, and a primary source regarding a youth event. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:45, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

27 words, assuming your read of the Al Qabas paper is correct which we can't really verify as neither of us are Arabic speakers, is still pretty substantial in the context of the extremely sparse coverage of the Arab world that archive.org provides. --Habst (talk) 15:47, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep: based on the explanation of the newspaper source above. I don't find anything else, but that one helps. Oaktree b (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the coverage found and points made by Habst. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kuwait at the 1984 Summer Olympics - I have spent a lot of time searching on this one, but I have not found anything suitable for this to pass GNG. We need multiple independent reliable secondary sources. The youth event report in a primary source news report is not SIGCOV, and that's all we have beside the listings that were used to auto generate this stub. Arguments about possible Arabic sources can also be set aside: I checked Arabic Wikipedia and they have no coverage on this competitor. It should be deleted, but a cheap redirect to the Olympic Games he competed in is a suitable ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:47, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- FWIW, Arabic Wikipedia is a mess and very poor quality; them not having sources hardly indicates that they don't exist. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:57, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kuwait at the 1984 Summer Olympics. The newspaper clipping above is not WP:SIGCOV, it's WP:ROUTINE coverage of a competition. Subjects does not meet WP:NATH, so it follows that editors have been unable to readily find WP:SIGCOV to satisfy WP:GNG. We also can't blame the dearth of coverage on OCR. Longhornsg (talk) 20:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Ritter

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Craig Ritter is a lineman never played a down of NFL football, and he barely played much of any other professional football. He played in five games in the 1995 CFL season for the Memphis Mad Dogs, per another source, and was briefly a starter on their O-line, and he played arena football. But there's no significant coverage of him at all—and I scoured the Orange County, Phoenix, Memphis, and other papers for it. That's a WP:GNG failure. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 16:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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My searches have not so far turned up any SIGCOV. The commonness of the name makes searching difficult. Aside from playing at Arizona State (1991-92) and pro (1995-98), I also found references to a Craig Ritter being a football coach at Defiance College c. 2009 -- may or may not be the same person. Cbl62 (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: All I'm finding right now are transactional announcements and brief mentions like [[87]]. Unless someone else can find some WP:SIGCOV, this is probably a delete. Let'srun (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note that the article has been significantly expanded since the nomination. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are there now sources that can be considered SIGCOV? Cbl62 (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Momo Thomas

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Unnotable gridiron football player. No college awards, no NFL games. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the references identified by Cbl62 at the first AFD from 2021: Part 1/part 2, part 1/part 2, and this, this, this, and this. These provide non-routine SIGCOV to allow for passage of GNG. Frank Anchor 12:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Along with two more sources with SIGCOV identified at the first AFD. Frank Anchor 18:41, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Keep in the absence of new arguments to rebut the keep rationale of the first AfD nom, as per Frank Anchor and Cbl62 (in the first AfD). There are more than enough sources, including multiple non-local article features about Momo, which were all linked in the first AfD nomination and many of which are re-linked above. More than enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. Flip^and Flopped ツ 01:43, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GNG. Snow is temping but a little early. But this is a disturbing AfD given that there was a previous AfD in which significant coverage was identified. Rlendog (talk) 14:19, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Coment. Yeah, "keep" probably remains the right result in our notability universe where the existence of SIGCOV is the touchstone rather than tangible on-field accomplishments. This was a player who showed great promise, thus drawing SIGCOV, but his career was cut short by injury before major on-field accomplishments panned out at the collegiate level. Cbl62 (talk) 16:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mahroos Siddiquee Nadim

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Non-notable football player. Sources appear insufficient for establishing notability, and there's no indication that subject is notable enough for a standalone article. Fails WP:NATHLETE. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:48, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:29, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Poorly crafted CV for a footballer. Fails any notion of notability. UtherSRG (talk) 11:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete Zero reliable third-party sources. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:05, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Harrison Kurtz

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:07, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:29, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable college player. The same user created hundreds of other pages on junior or lower-tier soccer players that similarly lack notability. Reywas92^Talk 13:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should also leave a message to the creator that they must provide multiple significant coverage for such people. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:14, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Márquez (footballer)

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All that came up in my searches were trivial mentions, such as those present in the article. JTtheOG (talk) 00:41, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – At second glance, I have to agree 100% with JTtheOG. That's why I replaced the subject of this page with another Miguel Márquez, and this one is clearly notable, so I vote keep. Better to recycle than to waste. Barr Theo (talk) 03:03, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Considering that the career as a football player is not the only topic of interest about the subject. Svartner (talk) 08:32, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that there was a page move after the nom and before your !vote. JTtheOG (talk) 09:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Theo van Zwieteren

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None of the sources in the article seem to provide WP:SIGCOV, and I was unable to find any on Google or newspaper archives such as Newspapers.com, Delpher, Archief Eemland, Stadsarchief Rotterdam, and Gallica. I did find some mentions like 1 and 2 using an abbreviation of his name ("T. van Zwieteren"), but nothing substantive. Another Dutch referee (albeit with much more international experience) from the same era, Raphaël van Praag, was recently kept after multiple in-depth sources were found using these same archives, so maybe someone else has more luck. JTtheOG (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Noooooo!!!! I was literally going to put this page on a draft tomorrow!! Couldn't you have waited just a few more hours!! Barr Theo (talk) 22:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Draftify~~ – If Barr Theo is working on improvements to the page. I'll ping @Gidonb: in any case, but I see no reason to delete it. Svartner (talk) 22:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – I'm working on it. Barr Theo (talk) 23:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Not enough WP:SIGCOV is currently present. Draftify as a WP:ATD to allow interested editors time to work on finding sources Let'srun (talk) 00:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Barr Theo, Let'srun, and Clara A. Djalim, with the extra sources, can we settle for a keep? gidonb (talk) 17:09, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a historically important referee, by WP:NEXIST and by the WP:GNG that is fully met. Theo van Zwieteren passed away in 1962, so no BLP concerns apply. The article was created by Barr Theo based on his historical significance, and that assessment holds.

I was recently pointed to this article by the creator and made several corrections—his date of birth, for example, was off by a day. This followed my overhaul of an article on Raphaël van Praag, a distant cousin I had never heard of before. Van Praag, who was also a gifted communicator, became Holland’s favorite son in Belgian soccer management. He left the field forever just before much of our family was exterminated.

Van Zwieteren’s international experience extended beyond the Netherlands, in international games, and during his residence in Hamburg. That, too, is worth exploring. The sources cited are from Delpher, which aggregates historical Dutch newspapers. This is the correct search string. For the Rotterdam region, I also check the Schiedam-based Krantenkijker, though it often yields less than Delpher.

These are sources that by themselves provide SIGCOV:

T. van Zwieteren – 'oer'-Spartaan – overleden [Theo van Zwieteren – Spartan to the core – deceased]. Het Rotterdamsch Parool. Rotterdam, 13-12-1962, p. 11. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMSARO03:259021037:mpeg21:p00011
"Th. van Zwieteren" [Theo van Zwieteren]. Provinciale Drentsche en Asser Courant. Assen, 05-02-1926. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMDA03:000110709:mpeg21:p002

These are sources from which SIGCOV can be pieced together, a legitimate approach for historically important professionals (see the subsequent list):

"Uruguay door de Belgen verslagen: De Nederlandsche scheidsrechter gemolesteerd" [Uruguay defeated by the Belgians: The Dutch referee assaulted]. Nieuwe Tilburgsche Courant. Tilburg, 02-06-1925, p. 1. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010234500:mpeg21:p001
"Na den wedstrijd Quick–Vitesse" [After the game Quick–Vitesse]. Provinciale Geldersche en Nijmeegsche Courant. Nijmegen, 30-11-1923. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMRANM02:000023856:mpeg21:p002
"De kwestie van den wedstrijd Sparta—H.V.V." [The issue of the game Sparta—HVV]. "Het Vaderland". The Hague, 10-11-1922, p. 1. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010008151:mpeg21:p005
"Kampioenwedstrijd" [Championship game]. Nieuwe Rotterdamsche Courant. Rotterdam, 08-05-1922, p. 13. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010026058:mpeg21:p013

These are sources that state Van Zwieteren's importance as a referee:

"Th. van Zwieteren" [Theo van Zwieteren]. Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad. Rotterdam, 18-08-1925, p. 14. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010495552:mpeg21:p014
"Willem II—Wilhelmina. Nieuwe Tilburgsche Courant. Tilburg, 17-12-1921, p. 10. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010233459:mpeg21:p010
"Bestuursvergadering van den N.V.B. [Board meeting of the NVB]" Nieuwe Tilburgsche Courant. Tilburg, 06-02-1924, p. 1. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010234102:mpeg21:p001 [frontpage news]
"Zandvoort—Quick 0–0". De Maasbode. Rotterdam, 06-04-1925. Delpher, 09-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMKB04:000194357:mpeg21:p010

gidonb (talk) 02:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More than sufficient for me to a keep. Svartner (talk) 08:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Could anyone analysis how in-depth are the last four sources about him? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:23, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Clariniie! I can take that. The last four sources are not in depth. These sources are significant because they talk to the importance of Van Zwieteren, i.e. the sources are important in a category other than SIGCOV. The first two sources are SIGCOV and the next four sources contribute toward SIGCOV. gidonb (talk) 18:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above which show notability (AGF). Giant Snowman 17:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gidonb: I'm pretty sure the first SIGCOV link you posted is the incorrect one as it consists of one sentence of coverage and is a duplicate of the Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad link below it. Cheers, JTtheOG (talk) 18:27, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for noting. I corrected that three minutes before your comment. gidonb (talk) 18:30, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep It's very thin in my opinion, I am not quite sure it's at the level needed for what constitutes a good article for a biography. Feels thin, but maybe just enough for WP:BASIC. I would like to see it improved if possible. Govvy (talk) 08:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I found additional sources:

Th. van Zwieteren [Theo van Zwieteren]. Het Vaderland. The Hague, 29-09-1925, p. 3. Delpher, 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009928:mpeg21:p003
Th. van Zwieteren [Theo van Zwieteren]. Nieuwe Rotterdamsche Courant. Rotterdam, 08-11-1923, p. 2. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010026880:mpeg21:p002
De wedstrijden van Zondag a.s. [The games of upcoming Sunday]. "Arnhemsche courant". Arnhem, 05-12-1922. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMKB08:000105208:mpeg21:p006
"De ongeregeldheden op 18 december" [The disturbances of 18 December]. De Maasbode. Rotterdam, 09-01-1922. Delpher, 10-04-2025, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMKB04:000189322:mpeg21:p009

These sources belong to my categories II and III above, often combined. With the previous we have a clear and complete pass of the GNG! We already had that yet these sources add even more material to use!!! gidonb (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Behzad Rafigh Doust

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The subject fails both WP:NKICK and WP:MMA. The article has atrocious citations. I checked all of them and removed 95% of them. What is left are fight results with only his name mention, no significant coverage. As much as I love that the subject is a Lethwei coach, the award by Lethwei World itself is not sufficient enough to justify the standalone article. I cannot find any significant coverage about the subject, fails WP:GNG. Here is a brief analysis of the citations:

No mention of the subject:  https://web.archive.org/web/20221014111058/https://muay-thai-santai.com/javiers-wpmf-world-title-defence

Only name mention: https://www.pattayamail.com/pattayasports/thai-fight-provides-spectacular-finale-for-songkran-festival-25613

Video of the match : https://boxemag.com/video/iquezang-kor-rungthanakeat-vs-behzad-rafigh-doust-video/

Stock photos website:  https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photos-thai-fight-king-muay-thai-bangkok-june-sudsakorn-sor-klinmee-thailand-dimitri-masson-switzerland-extreme-june-image31958218

VK Profile of Thai Fight?:  https://vk.com/thaifight  His

Profile on muaythaitv used 3 times: h ttps://muaythaitv.us/fighters/behzad-rafigh-doust-f3980.html

Interview (self published source) : https://apmma.net/behzad-rafigh-doust-discusses-his-journey-from-fighting-to-coaching/

Fight result, with only name and weight mention.: https://www.irna.ir/news/9931323/مسابقات-موی-تای-ایران-با-قهرمانی-کردستان-پایان-یافت

List of hundreds of fights in 2013 with only the subject’s name listed:  https://www.allthebestfights.com/k1-muay-thai-ranking-videos-fight-of-the-year-2013

inaccessible Japanese  Blog : http://blog.sina.cn/dpool/blog/s/blog_5eb5ba0701014fsb.html

Sherdog Forum discussion : https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/k-1-asia-max-2013.2367625/

Amateur fight/event results:  http://www.iranmuaythai.com/fa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21:-2008&catid=4:1390-02-16-11-08-59&Itemid=44

In addition, the article has been written by User:MMA Kid, a sockpuppet of JRM2018 who is blocked indefinitely.

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Delete. reviewed and mostly (wouldnt characterize the interview as non-reliable and that is certainly a chinese site) agree with your assessment of the prior citations. was unable to find significant coverage. while WP:MMA isnt policy, agree per WP:NKICK and WP:SIGCOV fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant is that interviews should be treated like self-published material. Lekkha Moun (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Little to no coverage, this was all I found [88]. Sources are as explained above. Delete for lack of sourcing Oaktree b (talk) 13:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG or evidence he meets WP:ANYBIO or WP:NKICK. Article consists mainly of a list of fights, many of which don't even have his opponents' full name (e.g., "Javier from Spain", "Alex from Switzerland", etc.). Papaursa (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mykhailo Tkachuk

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I'm a bit unsure of this one, as he played mainly in the 1990s and had a rather long career, but in all four related languages, I could only find this, which is hardly WP:SIGCOV. I could find literally nothing else—hardly even a mention of his existence. The article has also been a stub for going on 10 years now. I figured that it would be worth putting it up for discussion here, as it doesn't appear as though this article is improvable without seeking out physical archives for information—and even then it's not guaranteed. I'm curious if anyone else can find anything on this player. Anwegmann (talk) 01:46, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete The uk-wiki article is much more detailed, but it seems that this person does not satisfy the notability threshold for sportsmen, as well as it fails WP:SIGCOV. --Altenmann >talk 01:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie Humphreys

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Non-notable rugby player. Coverage from reliable sources is clearly lacking, and there isn't any evidence that subject warrants a standalone article. Fails WP:NATHLETE. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Current first grade player in one of the top tier rugby league competitions (NRL) at the start of his career. I found some coverage. [89], [90], [91]. LibStar (talk) 02:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: In the interest of completeness, I wanted to point out that the first nomination from 2009 was for an article on a different Jamie Humphreys (an author) than the rugby league footballer that is the current subject. (No opinion.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yes this Jamie Humphreys was 7 at the time of the other AfD. LibStar (talk) 06:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. When someone is getting a full page in the Sydney Morning Herald, they meet GNG.[92]Doctorhawkes (talk) 11:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article needs some work, but a quick Google search shows this easily passes WP:SPORTCRIT. J Mo 101 (talk) 13:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per above.Fleets (talk) 08:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Păduraru

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Does not have enough coverage to meet WP:NSPORT requirements. Darkm777 (talk) 01:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Another in a series of poor mass Olympic medalist AFDs by this user. One needs to actually check relevant archives before deleting; in this case, there appears to be many mentions in newspaper archives that should be checked. Remember that Paduraru is an Olympic medalist and world championship medalist in the offline era and coverage is virtually guaranteed to exist for this star Romanian sportswoman. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – Per BeanieFan11 and WP:COMMONSENSE. Svartner (talk) 12:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Similarly as per BeanieFan11, Svartner and WP:COMMONSENSE. Nayyn (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Enough of these pointless noms. Clearly notableper WP:GNG. BabbaQ (talk) 10:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Laura Oprea

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Does not have enough coverage to meet WP:NSPORT requirements. All the articles I found on her where just a mention of her name. Darkm777 (talk) 01:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Please stop wasting our time with these Olympic medalist deletion discussions. Coverage exists; see the extensive Romanian article, and Oprea is extremely accomplished, having numerous world championship medals, being a world champion and Olympic medalist, which satisfies WP:NOLY. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Looking at the corresponding Romanian article, [[93]] appears to be WP:SIGCOV, and while [[94]] and [[95]] are less impressive I think there is enough here for a WP:SPORTSBASIC pass. Let'srun (talk) 02:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Let'srun and Beaniefan11. Canary757 (talk) 07:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: A participant and medalist of a world's foremost sports competition is considered notable. Best Regards (CP) 08:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. The nominator does not seem to understand the basic guidelines of the project. Svartner (talk) 12:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per WP:GNG. Source are clear. This nom should be closed.BabbaQ (talk) 14:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emiljano Shehaj

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT, only played 208 minutes in Albania’s highest football league. Fails WP:GNG, I could only find these WP:ROUTINE announcements [96] [97] Geschichte (talk) 15:19, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ermal Sako

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT, only played 208 minutes in Albania’s highest football league. Fails WP:GNG, I could only find this WP:PASSING mention [98] and this brief interview. [99] Geschichte (talk) 15:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toshiharu Morinaga

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I am struggling to verify if Toshiharu Morinaga played for Shenzhen during the 2003 season. If he did, we should redirect to 2003 Chinese Jia-A League. RossEvans19 (talk) 15:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. There aren't sources even on ja.wiki. Svartner (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Clearly non-notable per my WP:JAPANBEFORE. JP has nothing and even the JP search on GNews yield nothing. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rudy Cerami

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. PROD was removed with explanation that this article was created when the notability guidelines were less strict but that does not allow for a notability pass by itself. Let'srun (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only find confirmation that he played in university [100], but that's not a notable athlete career. I don't see notability here, even with the sourcing used. Oaktree b (talk) 01:03, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: At the time of this creation, it met WP:SPORTSBASIC, as at the time, anyone that played in the Arena Football League was notable. If we are going to delete this page, there are several others that only played in the Arena League that will need to be deleted. I do believe this article should be grand-fathered in. DMC511 (talk) 13:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the only coverage I am finding is non-significant coverage like " this and " this and " this. That is not enough to meet GNG. While I am sympathetic to grandfathering, that is not our policy. Although deleting this article does not require that other Arena League player articles need to be deleted. Each of those articles can be evaluated on their own merits, if someone chooses to nominate them for deletion. Rlendog (talk) 16:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The best we have is this which is not IMO enough to pass GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a single reference to an ancient newspaper does not meet WP:GNG.Iljhgtn (talk) 20:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Isberner

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT. Let'srun (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Unable to find any secondary sources to support notability. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 22:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yes, Fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines. There's little to no coverage in reliable, independent sources beyond basic stats. No evidence of significant impact or lasting recognition. Not enough for a standalone article. Krishnpriya123 (talk) 16:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Brief pro career [101], not meeting sporting notability and sourcing is not enough to even create a stub article. Article now is mostly primary sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Seconding WP:GNG. Brief pro career. Raskuly (talk) 23:42, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, we have a GNG rule for a reason, as well as WP:SPORTSCRIT with greater detail and specific guidelines for a sports figure, which notability is not met for in this case. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asumi Takeda

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Footballer that fails WP:GNG. No sources beyond databases. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 20:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I found this ANN Article, (though seems like not a possible source to use). I don't know GNews is showing articles about Akebi's Sailor Uniform? and the "Sailer Ojichan" photo lol. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I also saw the "ANN" piece, and I agree with the other editors view that this alone would not meet WP:GNG. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Kissinger

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC, with the current sources either being databases or primary to the teams he played or coached. Let'srun (talk) 19:06, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:29, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seth Skyfire

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Same problems the article had years ago, when the article was deleted. A local wrestler who worked on independent promotions. No notable. Sources are just WP:ROUTINE results, with no in-deep coverage or focus around the wrestler. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eren Legend (bodybuilder)

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Previously soft-deleted for lack of notability. I doubt the topic has since become notable. Janhrach (talk) 13:39, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not appear to have valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG. There's just a slight mention of him in the CBC article which is the only quality source I can consider. Source #4 is dead. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 23:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Eren Legend meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines due to his recognized impact in the bodybuilding community. He has been featured in reputable fitness magazines and websites, with coverage from independent sources discussing his achievements and training insights. His involvement in bodybuilding competitions and contributions to fitness culture further support his notability. Deleting the article would remove a relevant figure from the fitness community, and the existing sources substantiate his presence in the field. Therefore, I believe the article should be kept at least a Biography stubs. Lukadon (talk) 03:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Liberia at the 1972 Summer Olympics. as a viable ATD. History is preserved should access to archives come to fruition and sourcing is found. Star Mississippi 19:53, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Kar

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Declined prod. 4 of the 5 sources are databases. This source is a small 1 line mention and not SIGCOV for meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT. Those arguing for keep should not invoke NEXIST but actually provide sources. LibStar (talk) 02:46, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Per info I found and added to the article, this athlete wasn't "just" a participant but actually set a national U20 record, plus the stamp issue from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominic Saidu applies equally here. I think invoking WP:NEXIST is justified here because the WP:Verifiable info we do have is indicative of further coverage existing in Liberian media, which hasn't been checked yet because those sources are not online.

@User:LibStar, you are free to disagree on the merits acting in good faith, but you can't pre-empt invoking a guideline with well-established community consensus. What do you think about the NEXIST rationale provided here? --Habst (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The only non database aource here is a 1 line mention. Notability is clearly not met here. LibStar (talk) 09:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that perspective from the sources currently in the article, but what about coverage in physical Liberian archives that nobody here has been able to check yet? --Habst (talk) 11:32, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing but databases comes out when you look for information online, if someone knows about a non-online source, please ping me FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Clear case for delete of this database created stub. The NEXIST argument is spurious. We have no sources and this should go. The PROD should not have been contested without some evidence that sources exist somewhere. Lugstubs really need to be treated together and more efficiently. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Habst. I am mindful of two facts: 1) the subject is African, and as many of us know, most African sources (specifically older RS) have not been digitised yet and made available online, but are available offline at local archives e.g. national records and local libraries. 2) Due to the age of the subject and the era he participated in sports at an international level and setting a personal best, he would have been covered in the local press of Liberia, and accessing those old newspapers which aren't available online would demonstrate notability. Just because we can't find sources online does not necessarily mean a subject is not notable. It goes against our ethics on ADL for a nominator to dictate to the community which guidlines they should not invoke in their rationale/votes. The database sources cited are international, with huge budgets, and have an online archive as well as offline. I would not expect the same for a local African newspaper especially at that time, and long before the internet age as we know it today. The very fact that the subject is on their database - and took part at an international level, and set a personal best and national record, demonstrate some notability. Arguing that the subject is not notable is one thing. Arguing that they are not notable because one can't find online sources is something else. WP:NEXIST is very clear on that, and it is a fundamental part of our policies as well prevent potential systematic bias for the reasons I've outlined above. Tamsier (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is a requirement that athlete articles cite a source of SIGCOV in addition to the subject meeting GNG. NEXIST has less, and less recent, community consensus and anyway doesn't even apply when notability is challenged. Pure database sources are explicitly excluded from counting towards notability and appearing on them is 100% irrelevant. JoelleJay (talk) 15:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay, NEXIST can still seldom apply when notability is challenged per the text of the guideline, "However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive".

Database sources can of course contribute to notability if they evidence that SIGCOV exists; for an extreme example, a database entry saying "X athlete was covered in Y newspaper" could be considered even if the article from Y newspaper wasn't accessible to us. So database entries saying that a subject achieved something newsworthy could be notability-indicating by the same thought process.

For biographies in general, there is no requirement that sourcing be cited in the article; only that it exists. The recent shift that you reference is actually away from subject-specific guidelines in general including WP:SPORTCRIT, which should help the case for this article because then we can rely on the more subject-neutral WP:N and NEXIST. --Habst (talk) 16:04, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pure database sources do not count towards notability. Unspecified sources do not count towards notability.
The guideline for biographies explicitly states: Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to meet the GNG (general notability guideline).
You are deliberately mischaracterizing the practical outcome of NSPORTS2022, which has had continuous overwhelming support as evidenced by the thousands of sportsperson articles deleted on that basis. JoelleJay (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If a database sources indicates that SIGCOV exists somewhere with specificity, it can be used to count towards notability per WP:NEXIST. This applies to any type of source, actually, and not just database sources.

I agree with NSPORTS2022 to the extent that it deprecates subject-specific notability guidelines such as the one you quoted in WP:SPORTCRIT, and I don't see how this is a mischaracterization.

I have great respect for your contributions, and I hope that you can treat me with the same good faith that I treat you as we're both trying to improve the encyclopedia. Saying I'm "deliberately" mischaracterizing something that's complex and can be interpreted in different ways is, in my opinion, not extending good faith. If you disagree with the characterization, then please dispute that instead of making personal comments. --Habst (talk) 18:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Liberia at the 1972 Summer Olympics: Subject does not appear to meet the notability guidelines due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. WP:SPORTSBASIC requires at least one piece of significant coverage in the article, and currently there is zero. We just can't assume who the local media would and would not have covered when determining whether to keep any WP:BLP. Redirect as a WP:ATD, which will preserve the page history in the event coverage can be found. Let'srun (talk) 23:00, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Liberia at the 1972 Summer Olympics: There is no evidence offered of sources to pass WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG, only the usual waves at WP:NEXIST by keep !voters, which are unconvincing in the absence of actual sources to evaluate. Of course sources might exist in physical archives, but NEXIST does not give us carte blanche to maintain non-compliant articles in mainspace on that possibility. At any rate, redirecting will preserve the page history should future qualifying sources be found. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cho Hee-soo

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I have conducted a WP:BEFORE search to assess the notability of this article. I searched in Google, Naver News, and English-language Korean news sources including The Korea Herald, Yonhap News, and KBS World using both English ("Cho Hee-soo rhythmic gymnast") and Korean ("조희수 리듬체조") keywords.

The only results available are routine coverage from sports result listings and minor announcements in domestic outlets. There are no significant independent sources that offer in-depth coverage or analysis of the subject.

According to WP:NSPORTS (Wikipedia:Notability for sportspeople), an athlete is presumed notable if they have "received significant coverage in multiple, reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Cho Hee-soo has not met this threshold. The article does not demonstrate lasting impact or significant coverage beyond simple event participation.

Therefore, I believe this article does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline (WP:GNG) nor the specific guideline for athletes (WP:NSPORTS) and should be deleted. Jeong seolah (talk) 06:10, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Armand Biniakounou

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Declined prod. The added sources are not indepth. [102], [103] and [104] are merely small 1 line mentions and not SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 22:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep based on WP:NEXIST. I didn't create the article, but I found several new sources on the subject and improved the article with them just before it was nominated. Subject was a two-time Olympian and was honored as an expert representing his country to World Athletics years after the fact. There are newspapers in the Republic of the Congo that would have covered this at the time that can be used to further improve the article. --Habst (talk) 12:41, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
being a 2 time Olympian doesn't guarantee inherent notability. LibStar (talk) 23:07, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not guaranteed, but I think the WP:V info we have as confirmed by several WP:RS is enough to be confident that more sourcing exists out there. --Habst (talk) 13:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:MUSTBESOURCES LibStar (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I actually agree with that essay, but I don't think it applies here. It says "Any claim that sources exist must be verifiable" and in this case we do have WP:Verifiable info evidencing that sources exist, namely his two Olympic appearances and coaching honors. --Habst (talk) 15:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weak Keep: there are some coverage here and there for and beyond the Olympics, thus I favour keeping the article. FuzzyMagma (talk) 08:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete To meet GNG we need significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. None of the sources in this article meet that definition. Per nom., 1 line mentions are not significant coverage. News reports and listings are not secondary. We are not even close to a GNG pass and as WP:NATH is not met, there is no presumption that sources are likely to exist so the NEXIST argument is spurious. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:37, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Not that it helps (it's an interview), but he seems to be involved with the national athletics association lately [105]. Match results here [106], and one other hit in that "Athletisme" magazine, again only a match report. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sources exist, but they're all trivial mentions. At least one SIGCOV and I'd probably give this a !weak keep vote. Oaktree b (talk) 14:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Passing mentions do not count as SIGCOV, which is required to be cited in the article per NSPORT. Searches in PQ return nothing. JoelleJay (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is PQ? --Habst (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that they might be referring to ProQuest. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. It's certainly worth a search and I appreciate the effort, but I'm not sure why we would consider searching that archive of primarily academic content sufficient enough to !vote delete while actual Republic of Congo newspapers that would have covered the subject haven't been checked yet. --Habst (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Proquest has a global newspaper search, including a historical newspaper collection which includes titles from the Republic of Congo. Definitely a good place to check. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, I agree it's a good place to search and I appreciate the effort. The issue in this case is the most likely venue for sourcing isn't on the ProQuest historical newspaper archives but the actual ROC newspapers listed above, whose archives are not available on any online resource including ProQuest. --Habst (talk) 20:44, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What Congolese newspapers are in ProQuest? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know for sure that he would have been covered there though. Let'srun (talk) 17:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Republic of the Congo at the 1988 Summer Olympics#Athletics. Fails GNG due to lack of SIGCOV; everything in the article or discussed here is routine. Republic of the Congo at the 1992 Summer Olympics#Athletics is a suitable redirect target as well but I prefer 1988 because he had a better finish. Having multiple valid redirect targets is not grounds to choose neither and delete anyway. Frank Anchor 17:55, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Republic of the Congo at the 1988 Summer Olympics#Athletics: Subject does not appear to meet the relevant notability criteria due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. WP:SPORTSBASIC requires at least one piece of WP:SIGCOV to be in the article, and currently none exist. What is in the article includes some database and match results (1-3), along with some passing mentions (4-6), none of which contribute to notability. Redirect, but do not merge, as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eugen Almer

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Declined prod. The 2 third party sources added [107] and [108] are very small 1 line mentions and not SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Does not look notable and sourcing is weak. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of independent WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, extensive coverage in newspaper archives that need to be checked. Several appear to give biographies of him and one mentions he received something like the title "Master of Sport of Romania", which would arguably satisfy WP:ANYBIO as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per the WP:HEY effort by BeanieFan11. The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Wahab Naser Al-Safra

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Declined prod. The 2 added sources don't really contribute to notability. The arabnews story is a 1 line mention and not SIGCOV. The Olympiads.sa source appears to be a primary source of the athlete's Olympic Federation. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 13:55, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think there's an WP:NEXIST case to be made here considering that the subject was one of the first three athletes to ever represent Saudi Arabia internationally. We have three different WP:RS sources covering the subject plus two prose-based ones that I found despite not knowing the target language. I think a Wikipedian in Saudi Arabia should be able to find more SIGCOV out there, understanding that that Saudi newspaper archives would certainly have covered this in the 1970s. --Habst (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Being one of the first athletes is fine, but we have no sourcing that talks about it. I can't find any in the languages I can speak; there might be some in Arab-language sources, but those aren't in my wheelhouse. Happy to revisit if someone can post some sort of extensive sourcing in the native language. Oaktree b (talk) 19:12, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Saudi Arabia at the 1972 Summer Olympics: Subject doesn't appear to currently have the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. While there may be offline coverage somewhere covering the subject, we can't keep any WP:BLP based on that possibility alone. Redirect as a WP:ATD with the page history preserved in the event better sourcing is found. Let'srun (talk) 21:16, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Saudi Arabia at the 1972 Summer Olympics per Let'srun. That is an acceptabe ATD as redirects are cheap. Database created Lugstub and we lack any sourcing. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Presumption of coverage based on appearing in the Olympics was explicitly deprecated in two separate global consensuses and therefore is an invalid !vote rationale. NEXIST is irrelevant. All that matters is IRS SIGCOV, which has not been identified. JoelleJay (talk) 15:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you link the consensuses you're referencing? I think that WP:NSPORTS2022 actually helps the case for this article because by transitioning away from subject-specific guidelines like WP:SPORTCRIT, we can rely on more subject-neutral guidelines like WP:N and NEXIST that provide a clearer path to notability. --Habst (talk) 16:13, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Julia Lebedeva

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Fails WP:NSKATE. Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of notability. On-line searches yielded nothing. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:46, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Armenia at the 2002 Winter Olympics: Both this and the corresponding Russian article are devoid of any type of secondary coverage. As such, the subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 21:36, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She was actually quite famous. But my brief search didn't come with anything. (Understandably, cause 20 years have passed.)
I wouldn't delete articles like this. Cause you would need to find Russian and Armenian print papers from 97–02, they haven't been scanned for Google Books.
I've looked her up, she currently coaches very small kids in Moscow. Her students are so small, none of them are in the news, sadly. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Bordrline notable Olympic sportsman. Independent coverage does exist, but difficult to find. --Altenmann >talk 16:32, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Notable how? Finishing in 27th place out of 27 skaters? Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's why she dropped competitive sport, sad. Still borderline WP:GNG/WP:SIGCOV. --Altenmann >talk 17:03, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is that "significant coverage" in the room with us now? Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:38, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I can see, Altenmann found her entry on Sport-strana.ru, a Russian online sports encyclopedia. There's a detailed article.
The Sport Strana encyclopedia may not seem well-designed (it is stuck somewhere in the 2000s), but it is being used in 590 Russian Wikipedia articles ([109]). So it is definitely a serious, reliable website. And their article about Lebedeva is actually well-written and looks good. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:00, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

She represented Armenia at the Olympics and the Europeans, basically being an "acting" Armenian champion. (I have no idea if actual Armenian national championships were held at that time. So I can't prove she was actually a champion and thus passes WP:NSKATE.)
And she wasn't someone unknown even in Russia. She placed 6th at the Russian championships in the 1997/98 season and thus most probably qualified for the Russian national squad. Cause she represented Russia at the Golden Spin and Skate Israel early in the next season. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. All that said, I think she passes WP:NSKATE as a de facto Armenian champion. (At least de facto.)
@Altenmann:. I was afraid to vote because of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1176#User:Bgsu98 mass-nominating articles for deletion and violating WP:BEFORE. Where the emphasis of the discussion I started was shifted to attacking me. Since then, I've been avoiding AfD and decided to come here only because I know Lebedeva was famous enough. As were many other Russian skaters whose article were deleted during the past year. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A similar mop-up was earlier for footballers and ... pornstars. There was even a joke inforgaphics where, like, 55% of Wikipedia articles were pornstars, 25% pokemon :-). It is sad that now it seems to be 80% of Wikipedia edits is from wikignomes (that's what I see in my watchlist) rather than content creators. But there is a reasonable position that if a person is indeed notable to general public, not just to wikipedia lawyers, the bio will be recteated anyway ... or not. My personal approach is if I see some name mentioned an several wp articles, I write up a brief bio, such as Shulamit Volkov or Niyameddin Musayev or Bronislava Kerbelytė, to name a few of my articles no one cares about. --Altenmann >talk 18:01, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Of course Bgsu98 comes down as a 25-pound hammer on all these articles, but in his defense I may say that a HUGE number of nanostubs were created by dumping various databases into wp, without real loving care of the subjects. I remember this happened to locations in Antarctica (it took lots of work to merge/redirect them into larger features) ; we are still struggling with GNIS dumps of locations which do not exist anywhere but in GNIS; I remember one guy ctearted several dozens 200-character articles on railway stations in several minutes, I guess in a rat race to be the one to create the 1,000,000th Wikipedia article. And so on. So I see nothing wrong in backfiring with massive AfD nominations. --Altenmann >talk 18:19, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But these figure skater articles were not like that. Many were well-developed. There were several prominent editors who created such articles a few years ago. Maybe if these people were still active they would defend their creations.
This is a lesson why you need to write articles for contemporary skaters now and not wait 20 years. Cause in 20 years most of the online sources won't exist anymore, and it will be impossible to prove the people were famous once. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:33, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have added sources to this article. This is the English-language Wikipedia, so sources in languages other than English must include 1) the title translated into English, and b) the language of the source. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Must include". — That's not a requirement. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even when those articles were improved (I improved some of the mass AfD summitted skating bio articles after submission and they were properly cited before the nomination) they still draw attention of the nominator for deletion due to the narrow view of what is considered "notable". That said I'm not sure how these deletions makes a better Wikipedia. The nominator's assertion "No evidence of notability. On-line searches yielded nothing." is inaccurate as sources have been added to the article that are appropriate and as a national champion she passes WP:NSKATE. Nayyn (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Armenia at the 2002 Winter Olympics. Not much coverage to keep as stand alone article. Ramos1990 (talk)

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Keep Seems she passes WP:NSKATE as a champion. Archives908 (talk) 17:04, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Champion of what?!? Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shag Musa Medani

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Declined prod with reason "subject meets WP:NATH as a cross country national champion". I'm not sure if this relates to WP:NATH #4 "Have won their country's senior national championship, with the exception of those who have never been ranked in the top 60 on the IAAF world leading list at the end of a given calendar year". There isn't enough evidence that he is in the top 60 IAAF for cross country. All sources are databases and fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I disagree with citing NATH in general in AfDs, but if you're going to bring it up, yes, subject clearly meets NATH prong 4 as an XC national champion and was in fact ranked 55th (top 60) in the world by the IAAF in cross country in 1977: [110].

What's always been more important was the general notability guideline, which can be met in a variety of ways including by WP:NEXIST. The case for NEXIST for this subject is strong, as the top Sudanese representative around the world in several disciplines over a multi-year period in the 1970s. I've looked and couldn't find prose-based coverage yet, but I would expect to find articles in physical Sudanese newspapers of the era, which could be accessible to us via a Wikipedian in Sudan. --Habst (talk) 12:58, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Sudan at the 1972 Summer Olympics: Like the nom, I could not find any WP:SIGCOV for this BLP to meet the notability guidelines. WP:SPORTSBASIC requires at least one piece of significant coverage to be included in the article, which has never been the case here. We also can't assume who the local media would and would not have covered when determining whether to keep any WP:BLP. Redirect as a suitable WP:ATD, while also preserving the page history in the event better sourcing is found in the future. Let'srun (talk) 03:24, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The relevant guideline, which the article subject easily meets, is WP:SPORT, not WP:WEB, and just looking at the page shows more than enough WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. 190.219.103.171 (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Geschichte (talk) 16:51, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All the supplied sources are databases. as per WP:SPORTBASIC "All sports biographies, including those of subjects meeting any criteria listed below, must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." LibStar (talk) 23:28, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sudan at the 1972 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. The arguments in favor of keep did not present any kind of sources. Svartner (talk) 10:38, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elena Avram

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Does not have enough coverage to meet WP:NSPORT requirements. Darkm777 (talk) 00:29, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Not as clear notability as the others, but she was a world championship medalist and Olympedia includes a photo that looks recent from the Sportarad newspaper, which indicates that they likely covered her. What we have to do is find it. Its also quite likely there'd be further offline coverage, given her accomplishments took place before the internet. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORT does not state that Olympic Medal Winners are automatically qualified. Rowing does not have its own policy, but some sports such as Track & Field do and state that "Significant coverage is likely to exist for athletes who compete in the field of athletics if they meet any of the criteria below." One of the criteria is to have Top 8 placement in a major competition, but even then we need to have significant news coverage. Could you point me out to any specific policy that states Olympic medal winners automatically qualify? Darkm777 (talk) 02:18, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where in my above comment did I say that Olympic Medal Winners are automatically qualified? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No sports guideline grants automatic notability to anyone, but for what it's worth, Olympic medal winners are mentioned at WP:NOLY. Geschichte (talk) 13:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOLY states "Significant coverage is likely to exist." It doesn't say it is an automatic qualification. We still need significant coverage per the policies. Darkm777 (talk) 01:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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To me the bronze medal at 1975 World Rowing Championships is a pretty clear indication of notability.BabbaQ (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reiner Frieske

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Non-notable German handball player. I was unable to find any in-depth sources about him. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: silver medallist from the 1970 World Men's Handball Championship, according to de:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP: Notable for the following reasons: (see German Wikipedia for a slightly more detailed entry)

East German Handball Champion: He was a goalkeeper for the team that won the "DDR-Meister: (East German Championship) in 1964.
International Handball Player: Frieske played for the East German national handball team.
World Championship Appearances: He represented East Germany in the World Handball Championships in 1964, 1967, and 1970, with the team finishing 2nd place in 1970.
Olympian: He competed as part of the East German handball team at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich. He played in 6 out of 6 games during the tournament. The team played in the bronze medal match, but was edged out by Romania (19-16), finishing in 4th place.

References that I found clicking Google News above were in German. — ERcheck (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per ERcheck and sources which I found [111] and [112]. Note: Some sources wrote Rainer instead of Reiner. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 10:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Not encyclopedic and not really relevant to the English wiki. The German version of article looks pretty short too with only 3 sources. Ramos1990 (talk) 07:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – PDF file looks decent, but does the second newspaper even mention him? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes in the bottom left corner with the title "Geachtet als Sportsmann und Kamerad". 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's just an interview without independent analysis, so I'd lean towards Delete. Multiple sources containing significant coverage are required. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found more sources similar to the other pdf, centre left, bottom centre. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per sources presented in this AfD and WP:AGF. Svartner (talk) 10:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jonas Behounek

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Does not pass GNG. The player appears only in databases. No sport achievements, he played only in lower German tiers. FromCzech (talk) 09:53, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The player appears only in databases. This article from Hamburger Abendblatt is WP:SIGCOV. he played only in lower German tiers. After signing a professional contract with Hamburger SV,[113] he made 28 appearances in the fully professional 3. Liga and over 130 appearances in the semi-professional fourth-tier Regionalliga Nord. The Abendblatt article is not sufficient for me. Perhaps someone can dig up more? Robby.is.on (talk) 10:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The first source is decent, but in my opinion, even only one significant coverage provided on articles is still too weak to establish notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per de:Jonas Behounek Govvy (talk) 21:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had seen the article in German and it really seems to have enough sources. Svartner (talk) 23:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, most of the sources are from his (former) clubs. Would you consider one of the sources SIGCOV? Robby.is.on (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Robby.is.on: WP:BASIC has always said then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability, so with what's online, whats on the German article. (although a little heavy on primary sources) I feel it's okay for the basic criteria. I also see room for improvement for both articles. Govvy (talk) 07:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The club references aren't independent though, which was my main point. Which of the sources in the German article do you consider usable for our article, even if not necessarily SIGCOV? Robby.is.on (talk) 11:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I remind what GNG says, that SIGCOV is not a guarantee that a subject merits its own page. His greatest sporting achievements are single season in the 3rd highest German league (during which he contributed to his team's relegation to the 4th league) and an unsuccessful trial at a second league club (as dewiki says). Common sense does not see this as something that should have an entry in an encyclopedia. FromCzech (talk) 08:48, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:50, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Philippe Bourret

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I can find zero google news results. Zip. Google Search results give a paragraph, max, of coverage. Jay Cubby 02:26, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Radio Canada piece from 2020, on his role as school sports director during COVID. This is possibly the same itw. here an article on him from 2004 (non-Olympic). Mentions from the 2004 Sydney Olympics here, here, here. Some non-independent news on his role in Badminton Canada here, here. Mentioned here from a 2002 competition. Apparently the General Director of Sports Montreal, Inc. ([114]). Quoted here in news piece from 2024. --Soman (talk) 10:57, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: The Radio Canada article is more about the school Bourret was at than him specifically, but the RDS article provides the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:SPORTSBASIC. Let'srun (talk) 21:20, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Canada at the 2004 Summer Olympics#Badminton as ATD, because there seems to be not enough in-depth coverage of this person to meet WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:24, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, per coverage found. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:04, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Philippe Bourret placed gold at the Pan American Games and is also in reliable sources including Radio Canada and RDS. Kansas Reimer (talk) 03:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Ningkai

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Making the global final on its own isn't enough to make the subject notable if he doesn't already have in-depth coverage from multiple independent reliable sources. A google search doesn't yield any coverage of him, though perhaps he is gaining local coverage in China as a result of making a global final in his home country. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 23:52, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Made it to the final in the top event of his sport. Several good sources. He is the top of his sport with a World Championship final. WP:GNG applies. As well as point #7 at wikipedia:NTRACK which makes him notable within Wikipedia:Notability (sports).BabbaQ (talk) 07:28, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just cleaned up the article a bit. I'll withdraw my nomination if you can find the WP:THREE best sources demonstrating his notability. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 16:01, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I don't find any results for this person in my searches, no sources at all. Oaktree b (talk) 00:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources are not good This is a 1 line mention, this and this are databases. This is a results listings. We need indepth third party sources which is lacking here. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:21, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per the analysis of LibStar. JunkBorax (talk) 14:41, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... if I were to guess why no one can find "[any] sources at all", I'd say its probably because he's Chinese, and they don't use English script in China, and it seems no one has looked for sources using whatever his Chinese name may be... BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:59, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cunard can you find any sources? The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 17:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the ping. The sources I found were the same as those already listed by other editors in this discussion. Cunard (talk) 23:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep, asking for a relist. As opposed to so many others, this guy is actually a competitor on the international elite level. The article has been expanded as well. Though only one of the Chinese sources look in-depth, we should take some time to look for even more, as well as the above commenters weighing in on the expansion. Geschichte (talk) 04:22, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Searching for Chinese sources, I couldn't find any sigcov. Sources mostly focus on his participation at the World Athletics Indoor Championships in Nanjing, where he placed 14th. [115][116][117][118] None of these are really enough to count as sigcov and I don't think he meets any of the NATH criteria. Toadspike [Talk] 09:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can support draftifying as compromise, since there is a chance he becomes notable in the coming season. Toadspike [Talk] 17:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on my expansion using new sources I found. Note that almost all of the above comments were made before the new sources were found, and while I respect User:Toadspike's comment I am not sure if they understood that the above !votes were made before the expansion.

The SINA article goes far beyond the subject's participation at the world championships, going in detail about his life since age 11. Subject also has a long history of notable performance before the World Champs this year going back over nine years, as detailed in the article. Subject is at the peak of his career and was only one second off the Chinese record, and I would expect that several more pieces in will be written about him following the 2025 Diamond League season which begins in China this year. Based on his regional medals I think there's definitely more than what I've found – Google is banned in China so I feel like a fool trying to search his name on Google and expecting relevant results, but even given that major caveat I think we've been able to construct a WP:BASIC-compliant article so far. --Habst (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, that article is indeed very good...I can't let the predicting the future slide, though – we have to decide now whether he is notable based on sources that exist now, and the state of the article is irrelevant to his notability. If you have any more sources up your sleeve, though, I'd be happy to take a look. Toadspike [Talk] 15:05, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin - The article have been improved since nomination. And the sources in the article now establishes notability. BabbaQ (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I completely disagree; the current version of the article does not establish notability. None of the citations in the article are significant enough to count towards the GNG. We have one (1) source with significant coverage and it's not included in the article yet, putting us very far from a WP:HEY. Still no-one has been able to explain how a 14th-place finish meets any NATH criterion. And, to my astonishment, not even Cunard was able to find more sources. I am unstriking my delete !vote. Toadspike [Talk] 21:51, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your comments even when we disagree. If you're referring to the SINA article above, that actually is included in the article now. NATH has always been subordinate to the general notability guideline, which can be met in a variety of ways including by WP:NEXIST. What is the reason we would expect Cunard to have found more sources? --Habst (talk) 12:39, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the great rescue work done by Habst. The newly-found Sina.com source is excellent and indicates notability. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:43, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: at the very worst, the outcome should be draftify which is the preferred outcome when a person who looks somewhat/semi-notable might become even more notable in the next 6 months. That means until 1 October 2025, covering the entire 2025 season in the sport of athletics. Geschichte (talk) 08:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Geschichte. We are not at GNG yet. GNG requires multiple reliable secondary sources with independent and significant coverage. What was there before did not meet these criteria as discussed. Habst added 3 sources, but two are from the same outlet [119] and thus count as one for GNG (and that is without going into detail of the other criteria for the source, such as whether the coverage is independent), and the other source is very much a passing mention. But the passing mention is of what this Chinese outlet sees as a future hope. Although we don't keep pages that don't meet GNG, Geschichte is right to flag that this one may become notable next season. Incubating the article in draft space is an acceptable WP:ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:11, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets notability per added sources in the article. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 19:59, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article made in March 2025. It does not look notable and sources are whatever. It should be improved in draftspace, before coming to mainspace. Ramos1990 (talk) 22:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Article made in March 2025. It does not look notable and sources are whatever. – that doesn't tell us anything. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:17, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sources are quite clear for notability.BabbaQ (talk) 06:36, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I only found two sources about him (This and this) So he's a non-notable Chinese track and field runner. An editor from Mars (talk) 02:58, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- A number of other, in-depth sources have been presented above. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:17, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is an incorrect statement per article.BabbaQ (talk) 06:36, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Toadspike and Sirfurboy. I see one valid source (but, crucially, not multiple) that meet WP:SIGCOV, so I can appreciate the reality that he may pass GNG after the next tournament cycle (he just needs one more source). However, to keep on that basis would be a purely transparent WP:CRYSTAL rationale. Flip^and Flopped ツ 02:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify, I was also leaning Delete, but there is the basic bones here to work with forward. Draftify is the right approach, we should not BITE those trying in good faith to make articles. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:52, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As it stands, this subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. My analysis of the sources currently in the article, in order of appearance, is (1), a primary stats page, (2) has depth but appears to be a local athlete profile failing WP:YOUNGATH, (3-5), results pages of events Ningkai competed in, not WP:SIGCOV, (6) brief article and video focusing on Chinese athletes as a whole more than Ningkai specifically, ditto for (7). A cursory search in Chinese didn't turn up anything better here. Open to draftifying this as a WP:ATD as well. Let'srun (talk) 22:47, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On WP:YOUNGATH, it doesn't apply in this instance because it only applies to "high school and pre-high school athletes" which Sun is not. What do you think about the video interview? I haven't been able to incorporate it into the article yet because I don't know Chinese, but I think there may be more substance in that. --Habst (talk) 12:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sun was a WP:YOUNGATH at the time that article was written. And the video interview is a primary source. Let'srun (talk) 19:58, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article was written on 2025-03-19, so Sun was not a WP:YOUNGATH at that time. --Habst (talk) 12:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 19:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Kahoe

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Article on an individual that ~~appears to have~~ might have played a single season of professional lacrosse, though it isn't clear he actually ever played. Sourcing is all either non-independent profiles or statistical outlines, with one local news outlet on his transfer from Syracuse to Georgetown. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:ATHLETE. nf utvol (talk) 18:14, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: New York, Pennsylvania, and Washington, D.C.. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:33, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. This in-depth story in The Philadelphia Inquirer along with this and this from Syracuse.com is probably sufficient for GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In this particular case, I think those sources are fairly Run-of-the-Mill coverage. Local newspapers also cover high school and college athletes, in every city and town, there are several high schools and colleges and papers that cover them; inevitably, these athletes will receive coverage.

The Inquirer and the Syracuse.com are both major news outlets, but they also serve as local news, which does make this a little less cut and dry than it otherwise would be. All of these sources, though, are simply profiles of a local high school (in the case of the Inquirer), or collegiate (in the case of the Syracuse.com sources) athlete, without much of a context outside of local interest. A quick perusal of both shows that these sorts of profiles happen daily, sometimes multiple times daily. Using these three sources to establish notability would mean that there are quite literally thousands of similar cases where non-notable high school or collegiate athletes would now meet the notability threshold for an article, just based on coverage in the Inquirer and Syracuse.com.

Finally, to quote the WP:ATHLETE guideline: The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level. In this case, the subject appears to have only played a single season of professional lacrosse, with almost no coverage of this beyond a stats page. The coverage on his participation in a collegiate championship is limited to a single page commenting on his social media posts. nf utvol (talk) 13:31, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ROTM is an essay; whether there's "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" is all that matters here. And in this case, he does meet that, with in-depth stories in The Inquirer and Syracuse.com. The significant coverage on the subject does not need to be regarding something that you subjectively deem of greater than "local interest" in order to count as significant coverage. You say that this would allow for "quite literally thousands of similar cases where non-notable high school or collegiate athletes would now meet the notability threshold for an article" – however, the difference here is that the subject also competed professionally at, what I believe is, the highest-level of lacrosse (i.e. he's not just some random local college player like you're making him out to be). Lastly, the ATHLETE "guidelines" are just a garbled mess that few still rely on. Note that NSPORT includes nothing talking about lacrosse, thus even the greatest lacrosse player of all time would still fail it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After doing a little more digging it isn't clear that Kahoe ever actually played a regular season game of professional lacrosse. According to the stats page linked in the article, he was drafted by the Boston Blazers in 2009 but never played a game. Then, according to Lacrosse All Stars (which I'm not sure is a RS anyway), he was drafted by the Florida Launch in 2013, but I can't find anything at all that indicates he ever played a single game with them beyond playing on their practice squad in 2017. This, in my view, means that whatever time he may have spent in MLL/PLL/NLL does not serve to add to his notability. nf utvol (talk) 15:09, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if he never played in the MLL/PLL/NLL, that makes the case weaker, though he still arguably meets GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:36, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Can find news articles referencing above player which seems to be reliable secondary source^[1] Krishnpriya123 (talk) 06:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The reference you mentioned is from The Hoya, a student-run school newspaper, and wouldn't really be appropriate for establishing notability in this case. nf utvol (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's still an actual print newspaper. Looking at their website, they seem to be somewhat independent of the university. The Hoya source doesn't count for much but it still helps just a tad little bit (when combined with the other sources). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:52, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't. Per [[120]], The Hoya is funded in part by a student activities fee that all undergraduates attending the university pay, connecting it directly to the university. Let'srun (talk) 21:43, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not appear to have the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG and doesn't appear to meet any other notability guideline. The Syracuse.com article is primarily interview prose as it is. Let'srun (talk) 21:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I found this also although some of it is the same as the first Syarcuse.com link Beanie posted. Here's this additional coverage too though it's not as good. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:18, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not much coverage in more notable publications. Mainly local sources. Article made in 2015 by a single editor who may have been intimate with the subject. Single purpose account. Ramos1990 (talk)
- Locality of sources are irrelevant; one does not need to have coverage in "more notable publications" to have an article. That said, The Philadelphia Inquirer, which covered him, is one of the largest papers in the U.S. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While that is true, it covered him purely as a local athlete, which is no different than any other local newspaper covering a hometown player. Let'srun (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Weak keep, The syracuse source and others were not great, but a weak keep is sufficient here for basic notability, revising my earlier "Delete" !vote. Iljhgtn (talk) 03:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There's multiple sources that are both reliable, independent, and secondary... BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean "the source isn't notable"? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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