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2025 Qianxi tourist boat capsizings

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2025 Qianxi tourist boat capsizings (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Point 4 of WP:EVENTCRITERIA - Routine kinds of news events (including most .. accidents ..) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable. No WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE after the spike of news reports following the event. XYZ1233212 (talk) 15:44, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and China. XYZ1233212 (talk) 15:44, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selective merge/redirect to Qianxi, Guizhou per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. The event happened on 4 May 2025. Less than a month after the event, it is unknown whether sources will continue covering the subject in the future to demonstrate it is notable. Wikipedia:Notability (events)#Duration of coverage says:

    However, this may be difficult or impossible to determine shortly after the event occurs, as editors cannot know whether an event will receive further coverage or not. That an event occurred recently does not in itself make it non-notable.

    I support a selective merge of between one sentence to a paragraph to the history section of the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 08:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Shandong factory explosion

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2025 Shandong factory explosion (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Point 4 of WP:EVENTCRITERIA - Routine kinds of news events (including most .. accidents ..) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. XYZ1233212 (talk) 04:58, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, random news story and not subject to sustained secondary coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 23:20, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selective merge/redirect to List of explosions#27 May 2025 Shandong explosion, where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. The event happened on 27 May 2025. Less than a week after the event, it is unknown whether sources will continue covering the subject in the future to demonstrate it is notable. Wikipedia:Notability (events)#Duration of coverage says:

    However, this may be difficult or impossible to determine shortly after the event occurs, as editors cannot know whether an event will receive further coverage or not. That an event occurred recently does not in itself make it non-notable.

    I support a selective merge of between one sentence to a paragraph to the "Details" column of the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 09:08, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wuxi bus accident

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Wuxi bus accident (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability, and high-casualty bus crashes are common. Fails WP:EVENT. Unable to find sustained significant coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 04:22, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. "杭州"最美司机"：生命最后76秒拯救24名乘客" [Hangzhou's 'Most Beautiful Driver': Saved 24 Passengers in the Final 76 Seconds of His Life]. 愛崗敬業好榜樣：核心價值觀員工讀本 [A Good Example of Loving One's Post and Being Dedicated: Core Values Employee Handbook] (in Chinese). Beijing: Xinhua News Agency. 2015. pp. 33–36. ISBN 978-7-5166-1199-9. Retrieved 2025-06-01 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "在车速每小时百公里的车内，被飞入车中的5斤重铁片砸中，相当于颗微型炸弹击中。2012年5月29日，杭州长运公司的司机吴斌正是被这样一块飞入车中的铁片刺入腹部。他临危不惧，忍痛用1分16秒缓缓靠边停车。站起来请乘客报警，并且嘱咐：“别乱跑，注意安全。”最终，24名乘客无一受伤，48岁的吴斌却伤重不治。“最美司机”生命最后1分16秒的视频在网上热传。一位网民评论：只有当敬业成了习惯，深入骨髓，才有可能在生命的最后瞬间爆发出超出想象的能量。吴斌是杭州长运客运二公司的快客司机。5月29日中午，他驾驶着浙A19115大型客车从无锡返回杭州，车上有24名乘客。11时40分左右，车行驶至锡宜高速公路宜兴方向阳山路段时，一块大铁片突然从天而降，在击碎挡风玻璃后，砸向吴斌的腹部和手臂。监控录像记录下短暂而令人震动的画面：被击中时的一瞬间，吴斌看上去很痛苦，本能地用右手捂了一下腹部。但他没有紧急刹车或猛打方向盘，而是强忍着巨痛缓缓减速，拉起手刹，开启双跳灯并打开车门。"

      From Google Translate: "Being hit by a 5-jin iron sheet flying into a car at a speed of 100 kilometers per hour is equivalent to being hit by a miniature bomb. On May 29, 2012, Wu Bin, a driver of Hangzhou Changyun Company, was stabbed in the abdomen by such an iron sheet flying into the car. He was not afraid of danger and slowly pulled over to the side of the road in 1 minute and 16 seconds. He stood up and asked the passengers to call the police, and told them: "Don't run around, pay attention to safety." In the end, none of the 24 passengers were injured, but the 48-year-old Wu Bin died of his injuries. The video of the last 1 minute and 16 seconds of the life of the "most beautiful driver" went viral online. A netizen commented: Only when dedication becomes a habit and goes deep into the bone marrow, can it be possible to burst out energy beyond imagination in the last moment of life. Wu Bin is an express bus driver of Hangzhou Changyun Passenger Transport Company No. 2. At noon on May 29, he drove the Zhejiang A19115 large passenger bus from Wuxi to Hangzhou with 24 passengers on board. At around 11:40, when the car was driving on the Yangshan section of the Xiyi Expressway in the direction of Yixing, a large piece of iron suddenly fell from the sky, shattered the windshield, and hit Wu Bin's abdomen and arm. The surveillance video recorded a brief but shocking scene: Wu Bin looked very painful at the moment of being hit, and instinctively covered his abdomen with his right hand. But he did not brake suddenly or slam the steering wheel, but endured the great pain and slowly slowed down, pulled the handbrake, turned on the double jump lights and opened the door."

    2. Li, Yuming; Li, Li, eds. (2019). The Language Situation in China. Vol. 4. Boston: De Gruyter. ISBN 978-1-5015-1741-9. ISSN 2195-9838. Retrieved 2025-06-01 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "最美司机: 'the most beautiful driver'. The accolade for Wu Bin (吴斌), a bus driver in Hangzhou (杭州). While driving, Wu was hit by an iron block, which caused a rupture in her liver. Though beautiful severely injured, Wu securely stopped the car, saving the lives of 24 driver' passengers on board. Wu died eventually. The term now refers to drivers who have done good deeds."

    3. Ci, Weige 茨威格 (2013). 没有如果只有结果 [No Ifs, Only Results] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Federation of Industry and Commerce Press 中华工商联合出版社. ISBN 978-7-5158-0447-7. Retrieved 2025-06-01 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "吴斌是杭州长运客运二公司的快客司机，跑杭州至无锡的路线。2012年5月29日中午，他驾驶浙A19115大型客车从无锡返回杭州，车上有24名乘客。11时40分左右，车行驶至锡宜高速公路宜兴方向阳山路段时，一块大铁片突然从天而降，在击碎挡风玻璃后，砸向吴斌的腹部和手臂。面对突如其来的致命打击和后面惊慌的乘客，作为司机的吴斌会怎么做？监控画面记录下他当时坚强的1分16秒："

      From Google Translate: "Wu Bin is a driver of the express bus of Hangzhou Changyun Passenger Transport Company No. 2, running the route from Hangzhou to Wuxi. At noon on 29 May 29 2012, he drove the large bus Zhejiang A19115 from Wuxi to Hangzhou with 24 passengers. At around 11:40, when the bus was driving to the Yangshan section of the Xiyi Expressway in the direction of Yixing, a large iron sheet suddenly fell from the sky, smashed the windshield, and hit Wu Bin's abdomen and arm. Faced with the sudden fatal blow and the panicked passengers behind him, what would Wu Bin, as a driver, do? The surveillance footage recorded his 1 minute and 16 seconds of strength at that time:"

    4. Bai, Fengguo 白凤国 (2015). 忠誠乾淨擔當：做最好的幹部 [Loyal, Clean, and Responsible: Being the Best Cadre] (in Chinese). Beijing: Xinhua News Agency. p. 82. ISBN 978-7-5166-1554-6. Retrieved 2025-06-01 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "“最美司机”吴斌是杭州一位优秀的客车驾驶员，“平凡48年、伟大76秒”。2012年5月29日，他驾驶大客车从无锡返回杭州途中，一块铁块从对面车道飞来砸中他的腹部和手臂，导致其三根肋骨被撞断，肝脏被击碎，在危急关头，他强忍剧痛，镇定地完成换挡、刹车等一系列操作，确保了大客车上24名旅客的安全，而自己却因伤势过重献出了年仅48 岁的宝贵生命。吴斌身上集中体现了临危不惧、忠于职守的工作态度和爱岗敬业、忘我奉献的崇高品质，成力我们学习的榜样。"

      From Google Translate: "Wu Bin, the "most beautiful driver", is an excellent coach driver in Hangzhou, with "48 years of ordinary life and 76 seconds of greatness". On 29 May 29 2012, he was driving a coach from Wuxi to Hangzhou when a piece of iron flew from the opposite lane and hit his abdomen and arm, causing three of his ribs to be broken and his liver to be shattered. At the critical moment, he endured the severe pain and calmly completed a series of operations such as shifting gears and braking, ensuring the safety of 24 passengers on the coach, but he sacrificed his precious life at the age of 48 due to serious injuries. Wu Bin embodies the work attitude of fearlessness in the face of danger and loyalty to duty, as well as the noble qualities of dedication and selfless devotion, and has become a role model for us to learn from."

    5. Zhang, Hongwei 张红卫; Yan, Quansheng 严全盛; Zhou, Zhongbin 周中斌 (2015-03-06). Chen, Dong 陈东 (ed.). "平凡路上，吴斌精神不断传承" [On the Ordinary Road, Wu Bin's Spirit Continues to Be Passed On]. Hangzhou Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2015-03-19. Retrieved 2025-06-01.

      The article notes: "吴斌的故事仿佛依然发生在昨天，可是我们手机上的日历，其实已悄然翻过近3年。 在“3·5”学雷锋日前夕，中宣部向全社会公布了首批50个全国学雷锋活动示范点和50名全国岗位学雷锋标兵，杭州长运“吴斌车队”班组被列入全国学雷锋活动示范点。这个车队，就是最美司机吴斌生前所在的杭州长运运输集团有限公司客运二公司。2012年6月，吴斌英雄事迹发生后，这支英雄的团队被浙江省交通运输厅命名为“吴斌车队”。"

      From Google Translate: "Wu Bin's story seems to have happened yesterday, but the calendar on our mobile phones has quietly turned over nearly three years. On the eve of the "March 5" Lei Feng Day, the Central Propaganda Department announced the first batch of 50 national Lei Feng activity demonstration sites and 50 national Lei Feng role models to the whole society. The Hangzhou Changyun "Wu Bin Team" team was included in the national Lei Feng activity demonstration site. This team is the Passenger Transport Company No. 2 of Hangzhou Changyun Transportation Group Co., Ltd. where the most beautiful driver Wu Bin worked before his death. In June 2012, after Wu Bin's heroic deeds, this heroic team was named "Wu Bin Team" by the Zhejiang Provincial Department of Transportation."

    6. "杭州"最美司机"吴斌就是死于类似事故" [Hangzhou's 'most beautiful driver' Wu Bin died in a similar accident]. Yangtse Evening Post (in Chinese). 2015-05-09. Archived from the original on 2025-06-01. Retrieved 2025-06-01 – via Sina Corporation.

      The article notes: "“杭州最美司机”吴斌是杭州长运客运二公司的快客司机。2012年5月29日中午，他驾驶着浙A19115大型客车从无锡返回杭州，车上有24名乘客。11时40分左右，车行驶至锡宜高速公路宜兴方向阳山路段时，一块大铁片突然从天而降，在击碎挡风玻璃后，砸向吴斌的腹部和手臂。"

      From Google Translate: ""Hangzhou's most beautiful driver" Wu Bin is a fast passenger driver of Hangzhou Changyun Passenger Transport Company No. 2. At noon on 29 May 2012, he drove a large passenger bus with license plate number Zhejiang A19115 from Wuxi back to Hangzhou with 24 passengers on board. At around 11:40, when the bus was driving on the Yangshan section of the Xiyi Expressway in the direction of Yixing, a large piece of iron suddenly fell from the sky, smashing the windshield and hitting Wu Bin's abdomen and arm."

    7. Li, Peng 李鹏 (2018-06-05). Dong, Jie 董洁 (ed.). "6年前的今天 杭州全城惜别一位司机 他叫吴斌" [Six years ago today, the whole city of Hangzhou bid farewell to a driver. His name was Wu Bin.] (in Chinese). Zhejiang Online. Archived from the original on 2018-06-14. Retrieved 2025-06-01.

      The article notes: "6年前的今天，也就是2012年6月5日上午8时，吴斌的追悼会在杭州市殡仪馆举行。近3000名社会各界人士自发前往，送别这位“平民英雄”，时任杭州市长亲致悼词。他说：1分16秒，吴斌用生命诠释责任。吴斌的事迹震撼杭城，感动中国。他是最美司机，最美杭州人。... 杭州长运客运二公司驾驶员吴斌勇救24名乘客的壮举，传遍祖国大江南北。在英雄出殡的1个多小时路程中，上万居民自发上街送别，表达对英雄无限的崇敬和无尽的思念之情。"

      From Google Translate: "Six years ago today, at 8 a.m. on 5 June 2012, Wu Bin's memorial service was held at the Hangzhou Funeral Home. Nearly 3,000 people from all walks of life went there spontaneously to bid farewell to this "civilian hero", and the then mayor of Hangzhou delivered a eulogy. He said: In 1 minute and 16 seconds, Wu Bin interpreted responsibility with his life. Wu Bin's deeds shocked Hangzhou and moved China. He is the most beautiful driver and the most beautiful Hangzhou person. ... The heroic act of Wu Bin, a driver of Hangzhou Changyun Passenger Transport Company No. 2, who bravely rescued 24 passengers, spread across the country. During the more than one hour journey of the hero's funeral, tens of thousands of residents spontaneously took to the streets to bid farewell, expressing their infinite respect and endless longing for the hero."

    8. "吴斌：最美司机的最后一次停车" [Wu Bin: The Last Stop of the Most Beautiful Driver]. Justice Web [zh] (in Chinese). 2013-01-21. Archived from the original on 2025-06-01. Retrieved 2025-06-01.

      The article notes: "吴斌身受重伤，却忍着剧痛标准地完成了靠边停车、拉手刹、打开双闪灯等一系列保障安全的动作，让行驶在高速上的大巴稳稳停下，还挣扎着站起来，疏导24名乘客安全离开。随后吴斌被送往中国人民解放军无锡101医院抢救，经医院诊查发现，吴斌肝脏破裂、多根肋骨折断，生命垂危。6月1日凌晨，吴斌经抢救无效去世。"

      From Google Translate: "Wu Bin was seriously injured, but he endured the severe pain and completed a series of safety actions such as pulling over, pulling the handbrake, turning on the double flash lights, etc., so that the bus on the highway stopped steadily. He also struggled to stand up and guided 24 passengers to leave safely. Wu Bin was then sent to the Wuxi 101 Hospital of the Chinese People's Liberation Army for rescue. The hospital found that Wu Bin's liver was ruptured and multiple ribs were broken, and his life was in danger. In the early morning of June 1, Wu Bin died after ineffective rescue."

    9. Gong, Xiao 龚晓 (2021-01-25). "省委宣传部、省文明办慰问全国道德模范吴斌家属" [Provincial Publicity Department and Civilization Office Extend Condolences to the Family of National Moral Model Wu Bin]. 浙江文明网 [Zhejiang Civilization Network] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2021-03-05. Retrieved 2025-06-01.

      The article notes: "1月25日，受中宣部、中央文明办委托，省委宣传部副部长、省文明办主任卢春中，看望全国道德模范、“最美司机”吴斌的母亲范敬珍老人，并送去慰问金。杭州市、下城区等有关部门陪同慰问。"

      From Google Translate: "On 25 January, Lu Chunzhong, Deputy Minister of the Provincial Party Committee Propaganda Department and Director of the Provincial Civilization Office, visited the mother of Wu Bin, a national moral model and the "most beautiful driver", and sent condolence money. Relevant departments such as Hangzhou City and Xiacheng District accompanied the condolence."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pro-Republic of China

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Pro-Republic of China (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a random assortment of support-for-the ROC-related info all lumped together. Some of the people listed have very tenuous connections, e.g. Syngman Rhee, Alexander von Falkenhausen. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is not a reason to delete article. An article of the same name already exists in Chinese Wikipedia, and it is a political term that is also used in reality. In the case of Rhee or Falkenhausen, the link also exists in Chinese Wikipedia, but you can remove it if it's unnecessary; there's no reason why the whole article should be deleted. ProgramT (talk) 07:43, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a political term. It is a phrase, like Pro-Israel or Pro-Greenland. Also, this is not the Chinese Wikipedia. The fact that Rhee and Falkenhausen are linked there undermine that Wikipedia's credibility. "Republic of China"/"ROC" is mentioned exactly once in Rhee's article, in the caption identifying Chiang Kai-shek. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – A content dispute (regarding the examples of Rhee and von Falkenhausen) is not grounds for deletion. Having an "assortment of support-for-the ROC-related info all lumped together" is also not grounds for deletion; list articles are a thing, as are similarly-named and scoped articles like Pro-Americanism and Russophilia. "Other thing exists" arguments aren't policy-based, but I don't see a proposal here based on deletion policy and cannot figure out what the deletion rationale could be. The nominator's disagreements seem to be limited to a content dispute concerning possible WP:OR, rather than a denial of this topic's notability or existence. Yue🌙 19:00, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the nominator had argued for deletion based on WP:SYNTH, with supporting evidence/analysis, I may be sympathetic. But instead they questioned whether Falkenhausen, who served in the military of the ROC, can be called "pro-ROC", which makes this very hard to take seriously. As such, I essentially agree with the two others above that this should be closed as a procedural keep; it could even be argued that this falls under speedy keep criteria 1 or 3. Toadspike [Talk] 13:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete The article seems to be a pervasive work of WP:SYNTH that is syncretizing the views of several distinct people based on a tenuous connection to a position on Taiwan. Significant concern regarding accuracy of any citations in this. An article on this topic (albeit one with perhaps a less clumsy name) could definitely exist but I think this one needs WP:TNT. Simonm223 (talk) 15:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hm. A TNT may be appropriate here. There is a lot of unsourced and poorly-sourced content. But the article tries to discuss a notable topic (the distinction between "pro-Taiwan" and "pro-ROC") and I'm not sure if deletion is better than trying to clean it up. Toadspike [Talk] 08:18, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Clean-up would have to start with manually reviewing every citation to see if it actually supports what is claimed for it. It's not a small task. Simonm223 (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wang Xiaolong (coast guard)

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Typical case of WP:1E; otherwise non-notable. To be awarded bravery medals etc posthumously by the state doesn't change that. Schwede66 00:40, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: No other publicly available case of Chinese coast guardsmen(To be exact, the post-2013 chinese coast guard, not the pre-2013 border defense coast guard with the same english name that currently lacks an article) dying in the line of duty. Also had significant coverage. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 00:54, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see this in a situation similar to the Yang Jia article(except the roles are reversed):
Both are notable mainly due to one event, and both of the articles mainly focus on the people themselves because most of the media coverage focused on the person.
I am open to renaming it to "Death of Wang Xiaolong" instead of deletion, though most of the coverage on him focuses on his entire career and the subject himself Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - clearly WP:1E. WP:NOTBLP1E supports deletion as (1) subject only notable for a single event, (2) was low profile outside this event, and (3) the event was not significant and Wang's role was neither substantial nor well documented. I'd normally say keep due to receiving a significant honor, but it doesn't look like it was awarded for personal achievements. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 14:35, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Note:
    This is the first publicly avaliable case since 2013 of a coast guardsman getting killed in action. Additionally, this was highly documented in Chinese media, particularly southern china. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:54, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Firstly, being the first coast guard to die is not a notability criterion. Secondly, the coverage is not significant as it is not independent; it's all Chinese media praising someone who received a state award as part of a propaganda effort. That said, merging this information into China Coast Guard#Line of duty deaths is a reasonable AtD. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 04:58, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep just rename. WP:1 says the rule is to cover the event, and so not to have another article. We do not have another article on the event. Just put "death of" in front of the title. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:34, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would also agree, but as stated above, this is sort of a similar situation to how we have the article named Yang Jia but not "2008 Zhabei attacks", since a lot of media attention was also about the subject himself. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:56, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Casualties of the 2015 Tianjin explosions

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A sad event, but the victims aren't notable. Fram (talk) 17:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It's a rather huge event(Compared to 911 on some occasions), and victims lists are pretty common on the article themselves, just that the article itself likely cannot fit the people. Now, I understand Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, but I would say this is about as notable as Lists of victims of the September 11 attacks. Additionally, this list sort of already exists on List of People's Armed Police personnel killed in the line of duty#2010s, and among the casualties is the former deputy chief of the TEDA zone fire brigade and a deputy police chief. Also, see WP:NOTNOTMEMORIAL and WP:NLIST. There is also coverage on casualty related topics, such as the 8th Street Company, the legal status of the private police and firefighters and so on. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 17:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just don´t get the logic. We don´t list the victims for small accidents, as these normally don´t have an article for the event. We don´t lust the victims of truly large events (war, famine, natural disasters) as there are too many, it would be an indiscriminate list, WP:NOTMEMORIAL, take your pick... But for a small group of intermediate events we suddenly have articles to list the victims, even though they aren´t really any different from all these others. Seems completely arbitrary. Fram (talk) 18:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@Fram See WP:NOTNOTMEMORIAL and WP:NLIST; The article also includes notable, covered related topics such as the 8th Street Company, which became highly decorated(Possibly most highly decorated fire station(formerly company) in China) and the legal status of the volunteer firefighters and private police, which even Li Keqiang made a comment on.
I may also even include more things such as the timeline of the official casualty count, evacuation efforts and allegations of a higher casualty count later own. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 16:07, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thehistorianisaac ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Concur with Fram. Event is notable as major industrial accident. Individual casualties are not, unless by some other criteria and those can be included/summarized in the relevant section of the event article. Notable findings from the Chinese Journal of Traumatology source can be added to the main event article; right now it's just being used to verify casualty statistics. It's really stretching to claim that this event is comparable to 9/11; nothing of the sort is mentioned in the event article, and I think it's pretty safe to say this industrial accident was not a major geopolitical event with commensurate global effects lasting decades (and ongoing?) - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 21:45, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per Fram and RovingPersonalityConstruct. Perhaps further detail of casualties can be added to the main article, but a stand-alone article is not warranted. - Amigao (talk) 01:34, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@Fram@Amigao@RovingPersonalityConstruct
I think I need to clarify something:
The list of victims already existed to some extent on the List of People's Armed Police personnel killed in the line of duty#2010s, however that only included the active service firefighters. The "victims" section of 2015 Tianjin Explosions originally linked to this article.
The only thing the current article does is include volunteer firefighters, police, civilians and adding some context, such as regarding the 8th Street Company, the legal status of the private police and volunteer firefighters. The only thing this article really changes is that the info is easier to access and more complete. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Many of these "killed in the line of duty" articles (not just China, but e.g. the endless US articles) need deletion or severe pruning, but that's a separate discussion. Having part of this information available in another article is not really a reason to create or keep this one. Fram (talk) 12:28, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think the killed in the line of duty articles should be deleted or pruned as line of duty deaths often receive significant coverage and are much-discussed social topics whether in USA or china, in fact many of them need significant expansions; But yeah that's another topic.
Many topics related to Tianjin explosions casualties, as said above, did gain huge coverage by Chinese and foreign media, such as said above, the legal status and eligability for rewards of some of the firefighters and police. Many casualty related topics do have notability but not enough to have their own articles, so I put them here.
I think a victims list is pretty reasonable to include in an article like this, and I really hate to be the WP:OTHERSTUFF guy, but aren't we ignoring the fact that the September 11 attacks have a total of 3 lists + a casualty article? Yes, they are different in nature, but I really need to point out the inconsistencies here.
As stated before, victims lists are also pretty common overall. I think at most this article can simply be merged back to the original. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The original article was pretty much just rushed, currently it has more content and will likely be further expanded. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 4:07, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete Per WP:NOPAGE. No independent notability. There's nothing in this article that can't be merged into the parent—if it's not there already. The accident was the notable thing; a list of unfortunates whom it killed is not. It also verges on WP:NOTMEMORIAL. —Fortuna, imperatrix 13:13, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • @Thehistorianisaac: You have replied to every delete !vote in this dscussion. Indeed, you've contributed 50% of the edits to this page on your own. Please don't do that, it's considered WP:BLUDGEONing. You've made your points—several times now—and repetition is unhelpful. I suggest you step back and let uninvolved editors make their own minds up (which they will anyway!). Cheers, —Fortuna, imperatrix 14:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. We have an independent, reliable source that discusses these people as a group, so WP:NLIST is met. Looking at the article, we have [1][2][3][4]. Given NLIST is for "Stand-alone lists", I read it as superseding NOPAGE; either way, none of the three bolded bullet points under NOPAGE apply here. We have plenty of sources and discussing this topic at length in the main article would be undue.
On previous arguments for deletion: 1. The victims do not have to be notable for the list topic to be (WP:NLISTITEM). 2. The significance of the event does not matter in deciding notability or suitability of a stand-alone list. Neither do comparisons to other events. Toadspike [Talk] 08:40, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I agree. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 11:25, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Nom. Although we all (or most) sympathize with victims creating a memorial is supposed to be among What Wikipedia is not. See: Wikipedia:Victim lists. There is apparently a source that names the victims. List the number of victims and link to the list. -- Otr500 (talk) 05:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Please see Wikipedia:What NOTMEMORIAL is not Thehistorianisaac (talk) 15:05, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • This is not soley a victims list, but also includes information related to casualties during the explosions. Additionally, some of the casualties are notable(but have no wikipedia article and likely will not have one), such as as a deputy fire chief and a deputy police chief. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:12, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Maggie Leung

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Non-notable hostess and actress. Sources are social media which is not WP:RS and the others mentioned the subject in passing or no mention at all. Mekomo (talk) 10:31, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

    Sources

    1. Chan, Lai-mei 陳麗薇 (2024-10-19). 難忘採訪垃圾屋憶良師教誨 "東張女神母校｜梁敏巧返母校樹仁大學感激栽培　難忘採訪垃圾屋憶良師教誨" [Scoop Goddess Visits Her Alma Mater｜Maggie Leung Returns to Shue Yan University Grateful for Its Guidance — Recalls Covering a 'Trash House' and Cherished Advice from Mentors]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from 難忘採訪垃圾屋憶良師教誨 the original on 2025-05-31. Retrieved 2025-05-31.

      The article notes: "梁敏巧於2013年入讀香港樹仁大學新聞與傳播學系，自2017年畢業後第一次踏足母校，... 由做記者到選港姐，再做《東張》主持，Maggie一步步走來確實不易，這全靠她有一股傲氣與不服輸的性格。Maggie從讀大學開始就自給自足，打4份兼職賺取生活費，她覺得讀大學就是長大了，人大了就要學會養活自己，不想再成為父母的「裙腳女」，所以她去教琴、做PA（節目助理）、做PR（公關）及做市場推廣，兼職的工作，令她實踐到在學校學到的知識。... 在大二那一年，Maggie有機會去北京《人民日報》實習，任職旅遊海外版，3個月的任期令她眼界大開，"

      From Google Translate: "Liang Minqiao enrolled in the Department of Journalism and Communication at Hong Kong Shue Yan University in 2013. This was her first visit to her alma mater since she graduated in 2017. From being a reporter to participating in the Miss Hong Kong pageant, and then to being the host of "East Zhang", it was not easy for Maggie to come this far step by step. This was all thanks to her pride and unyielding character. Maggie has been self-sufficient since she started college, working 4 part-time jobs to earn a living. She felt that going to college meant growing up, and when you grow up, you have to learn to support yourself. She didn't want to be a "skirt girl" for her parents anymore, so she taught piano, worked as a PA (program assistant), a PR (public relations) and did marketing. Part-time jobs allowed her to put into practice what she learned in school. ... In her sophomore year, Maggie had the opportunity to intern at the Beijing People's Daily, working on the tourism overseas edition. The three-month term opened her eyes."

    2. "「東張」女神梁敏巧慶祝27歲生日 曬健康性感相網民兼唔夠喉" ['Scoop' Goddess Maggie Leung Celebrates 27th Birthday — Shares Healthy and Sexy Photos, Netizens Still Want More]. Bastille Post [zh] (in Chinese). 2022-05-25. Archived from the original on 2025-05-31. Retrieved 2025-05-31.

      The article notes: "梁敏巧（Maggie）因為在2019年參加《香港小姐競選》得到進入娛樂圈的門券，入行初期做過兒童節目《Think Big》的主持，形象健康，後來轉做《東張西望》外景主持更累積更多人氣。離開了兒童節目後的Maggie不只言行比從前更大膽、做自己，更大方展現自己的健康性感，衣著打扮亦見清涼。有時Maggie去行山或做運動，都不吝嗇分享自己穿小背心和緊身瑜珈褲的造型，Show off好身材。"

      From Google Translate: "Maggie Leung got a ticket to the entertainment industry by participating in the "Miss Hong Kong Pageant" in 2019. In the early days of her career, she hosted the children's program "Think Big" and had a healthy image. Later, she became a field host of "Dong Zhang Xi Wang" and gained more popularity. After leaving the children's program, Maggie not only became bolder in her words and deeds and became herself, but also showed her health and sexiness more generously, and her clothes were also cool. Sometimes when Maggie goes hiking or exercising, she is not stingy to share her look in a small vest and tight yoga pants to show off her good figure."

    3. Dou, Dou 杜杜 (2024-01-22). "獨家丨梁敏巧為拍劇乜都得：除咗露3點 「東張女神」唔介意落水透Bra出鏡" [Exclusive丨Maggie Leung Will Do Anything for Acting: Except Showing All 3 Points — 'Scoop Goddess' Doesn’t Mind Getting Wet and Revealing Bra On Camera]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2025-05-31. Retrieved 2025-05-31.

      The article notes: "梁敏巧（Maggie）2019年參加港姐入行，2021年加入《東張西望》做外景主持，由於採訪夠搏命，更試過遭被訪者襲擊，加上樣靚有身材而獲封「東張女神」。Maggie認為做藝人肯搏肯捱是基本，更希望有機會挑戰演戲，最想合作是欣賞多時的人夫男神黎諾懿。"

      From Google Translate: "Maggie Leung entered the industry by participating in the Miss Hong Kong pageant in 2019, and joined "East Zhang West Wang" as a location host in 2021. Because of her risk-taking in interviews, she was even attacked by the interviewees, and she was named the "East Zhang Goddess" for her good looks and figure. Maggie believes that being willing to fight and endure is the basic requirement for being an artist, and she hopes to have the opportunity to challenge acting. The person she most wants to work with is Lai Lok Yi, a married man whom she has admired for a long time."

    4. "「東張女神」梁敏巧大爆港姐內幕及離地趣聞 試過有佳麗唔知咩係八達通？" ['Scoop Goddess' Maggie Leung Reveals Miss Hong Kong Pageant Secrets and Out-of-Touch Anecdotes — Some Contestants Didn't Even Know What an Octopus Card Was?] (in Chinese). Yahoo News. 2022-06-01. Archived from the original on 2025-05-31. Retrieved 2025-05-31.

      The article notes: "「東張女神」梁敏巧（Maggie）較早前開設個人YouTube頻道，早前邀請好友黃丹虹（Vickie）擔任影片嘉賓，齊齊大爆參加香港小姐及ViuTV真人騷《廣告女皇》嘅內幕。現年27歲嘅梁敏巧，曾就讀於樹仁大學新聞與傳播學系，畢業後成為一名記者。喺2019年，佢覺得人生苦悶，好想做一啲嘢去衝擊一下，於是佢就參選香港小姐，當年嘅冠亞軍佳麗分別係黃嘉雯、王菲及古佩玲。 "

      From Google Translate: "Maggie Leung recently opened her personal YouTube channel and invited her friend Vickie Wong as a video guest to reveal the inside story of her participation in Miss Hong Kong and the ViuTV reality show "Advertising Queen". Leung Min-chiu, 27, studied journalism and communication at Shue Yan University and became a journalist after graduation. In 2019, she felt that life was boring and wanted to do something to make an impact, so she contested Miss Hong Kong. The winners and runners-up were Ka-man Wong, Faye Wong and Koo Pei-ling."

    5. Kwong, Yuk Ying 鄺鈺瑩 (2021-10-26). "梁敏巧變新《東張》女神　靠兒童節目訓練：我比較蠢要每事問" [Maggie Leung Becomes the New 'Scoop' Goddess — Trained Through Children's Programs: 'I'm a Bit Slow, So I Have to Ask About Everything']. HK01 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2025-05-31. Retrieved 2025-05-31.

      The article notes: "加入無綫兩年嘅梁敏巧(Maggie），自兒童節目《Think Big天地》結束後，隨即獲安排做《東張西望》外景主持，最近終於獲網友留意，封她做新晉《東張》女神。不過要知道《東張》專題報導不時充滿危機，對於做慣廠景嘅Maggie嚟講，確係大挑戰。"

      From Google Translate: "Maggie Leung, who has been with TVB for two years, has been arranged to be the outdoor host of "Tong Cheung Sai Wang" after the end of the children's show "Think Big World". However, it is indeed a big challenge for Maggie, who is used to being a factory scene, to know that the special reports in Dong Chang are full of crises from time to time."

    6. "梁敏巧哭訴阿媽爛賭輸層樓 悲慘身世揭秘丨星桄伴我心" [Maggie Leung Tearfully Reveals Her Mother's Gambling Problem Lost Them a Flat — Tragic Backstory Uncovered丨'Starlight Walk With Me']. East Week (in Chinese). 2024-11-26. Archived from the original on 2025-05-31. Retrieved 2025-05-31.

      The article notes: "梁敏巧參選2019年香港小姐入行，雖然當年未有獲得任何獎項，但她就靠《東張西望》成功打響名堂。兒時的梁敏巧已經擁有一副明星相，五官標緻，十分可愛。... 儘管有一個廿四孝爸爸，但Maggie坦言自己在一個不健康的家庭中成長，皆因有一個爛賭的媽媽。"

      From Google Translate: "Maggie Leung entered the industry by contesting Miss Hong Kong 2019. Although she did not win any awards, she succeeded in making a name for herself with "East and West". As a child, Leung Min-chiu already had a star-like appearance, with beautiful features and very cute... Despite having a filial father, Maggie admitted that she grew up in an unhealthy family because of a bad gambling mother."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Maggie Leung (Chinese: 梁敏巧) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 09:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sleek Flow

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Article is about a startup that fails to meet the relevant notability guidelines (WP:NCORP). There aren't sources that discusses the subject in depth, and the sources are mostly sponsored, routine announcements of raisings etc..., and talk about the founder other than the business itself. Also note that this source, while it meets WP:SIGCOV, it might also be sponsored by the way. ToadetteEdit (7M articles) 15:39, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep There are sources in the article that provide significant and independent coverage. My own search also found several other reliable sources. The article's current state could benefit from editing, particularly in the introduction.Jitendra indulkar (talk) 08:29, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - To the 2 keep !votes who have very few edits outside this AfD, I will ask for a list of the "significant coverage" that shows this meets WP:NCORP as I am not seeing it and apparently neither did the nominator. Prior to listing a WALLOFTEXT, keep WP:NEWSORGINDIA in mind. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong Institute of Asia-Pacific Studies

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Hong Kong Institute of Asia-Pacific Studies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article is about a private academic/educational organization. There are only 3 sources: and all 3 are from the organization's own website.

Hence, no independent sources, therefore fails the WP:V and WP:Notability requirements.

Log says that an article of the same name was deleted in the past, but I cannot find that older AfD. Noleander (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a well-known independent institution in Hong Kong. Multiple local news agencies have reported findings of such institute which they are well cited.
https://news.mingpao.com/pns/%E6%B8%AF%E8%81%9E/article/20250328/s00002/1743099198748/%E4%B8%AD%E5%A4%A7%E4%BA%9E%E5%A4%AA%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%89%80%E6%B0%91%E8%AA%BF-63-%E6%8C%87%E7%8F%BE%E9%9D%9E%E8%B2%B7%E6%A8%93%E6%99%82%E6%A9%9F-42-%E6%96%99%E4%BE%86%E5%B9%B4%E8%B7%8C%E5%83%B9
https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20241111/mobile/bkn-20241111134821159-1111_00822_001.html
https://www.inmediahk.net/node/%E6%94%BF%E7%B6%93/%E3%80%90%E8%B2%A1%E6%94%BF%E9%A0%90%E7%AE%97%E6%A1%88%E3%80%91%E4%B8%AD%E5%A4%A7%E6%B0%91%E8%AA%BF%EF%BC%9A%E4%BA%94%E6%88%90%E5%8D%8A%E5%B8%82%E6%B0%91%E6%84%9F%E4%B8%8D%E6%BB%BF-%E6%BB%BF%E6%84%8F%E5%83%858%EF%BC%85
Articles from secondary sources on this institute include
https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E4%BA%9A%E5%A4%AA%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%89%80/7260339
https://onthinktanks.org/think-tank/%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E4%BA%9E%E5%A4%AA%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%89%80/
Please let me know if you are unsatisfied with what I have provided and would like more or something else, thank you. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 15:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The first three sources cite the organization's work without anything about the organization itself. The Baidu Baike entry is another online encyclopedia, and onthinktanks.org is a directory listing with content likely provided by the organization. Oblivy (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cunard Hi there I’m not sure if you would have the time of doing so but could you please take a look and see if you could try finding related sources to this article, since you have similarly done so in the past. Thank you very much. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 12:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous mentions of the institute in sources which has made it difficult to determine whether there is significant coverage of it. Cunard (talk) 21:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Pro-Republic of China

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Pro-Republic of China (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a random assortment of support-for-the ROC-related info all lumped together. Some of the people listed have very tenuous connections, e.g. Syngman Rhee, Alexander von Falkenhausen. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is not a reason to delete article. An article of the same name already exists in Chinese Wikipedia, and it is a political term that is also used in reality. In the case of Rhee or Falkenhausen, the link also exists in Chinese Wikipedia, but you can remove it if it's unnecessary; there's no reason why the whole article should be deleted. ProgramT (talk) 07:43, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a political term. It is a phrase, like Pro-Israel or Pro-Greenland. Also, this is not the Chinese Wikipedia. The fact that Rhee and Falkenhausen are linked there undermine that Wikipedia's credibility. "Republic of China"/"ROC" is mentioned exactly once in Rhee's article, in the caption identifying Chiang Kai-shek. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – A content dispute (regarding the examples of Rhee and von Falkenhausen) is not grounds for deletion. Having an "assortment of support-for-the ROC-related info all lumped together" is also not grounds for deletion; list articles are a thing, as are similarly-named and scoped articles like Pro-Americanism and Russophilia. "Other thing exists" arguments aren't policy-based, but I don't see a proposal here based on deletion policy and cannot figure out what the deletion rationale could be. The nominator's disagreements seem to be limited to a content dispute concerning possible WP:OR, rather than a denial of this topic's notability or existence. Yue🌙 19:00, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the nominator had argued for deletion based on WP:SYNTH, with supporting evidence/analysis, I may be sympathetic. But instead they questioned whether Falkenhausen, who served in the military of the ROC, can be called "pro-ROC", which makes this very hard to take seriously. As such, I essentially agree with the two others above that this should be closed as a procedural keep; it could even be argued that this falls under speedy keep criteria 1 or 3. Toadspike [Talk] 13:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete The article seems to be a pervasive work of WP:SYNTH that is syncretizing the views of several distinct people based on a tenuous connection to a position on Taiwan. Significant concern regarding accuracy of any citations in this. An article on this topic (albeit one with perhaps a less clumsy name) could definitely exist but I think this one needs WP:TNT. Simonm223 (talk) 15:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hm. A TNT may be appropriate here. There is a lot of unsourced and poorly-sourced content. But the article tries to discuss a notable topic (the distinction between "pro-Taiwan" and "pro-ROC") and I'm not sure if deletion is better than trying to clean it up. Toadspike [Talk] 08:18, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Clean-up would have to start with manually reviewing every citation to see if it actually supports what is claimed for it. It's not a small task. Simonm223 (talk) 11:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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