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[edit]- Royalnasty (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Sources in article are not WP:RS as they are sponsored or featured posts and they are written possible by a single individual. See these[1][2] and here[3][4] are all promotional efforts. Ednabrenze (talk) 13:23, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Harish Kumar Sejekan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not yet notable per WP:ARTIST, WP:BIO or WP:GNG. A WP:BEFORE search for his name in English and Kannada turns up no significant coverage in reliable sources. He's mentioned only in passing as a curator in the sources cited, with nothing about his contributions being "acknowledged" as described. Unsourced claims about his early and personal life, the posed photo used and article creator's edit history all suggest a conflict of interest. Wikishovel (talk) 07:32, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: A second article about the same subject was created at Harish Kumar Sejekan(Artist) and I moved it to Draft:Harish Kumar Sejekan(Artist) before noticing this AfD. The draft appears to duplicate this page.ACROM12 [TALK] 12:04, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Sir plz dont nominate for delete i am independent writer if you deleted my points will be negative i will.improve the article PrideOfNepal (talk) 12:55, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ARTIST. See source assessment table and note that none of the articles are about Harish Kumar Sejekan. He is just mentioned tangentially. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:00, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment article creator has been blocked for sockpuppetry, but the article appears to be ineligible for speedy deletion db-g5. Wikishovel (talk) 09:19, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Just came to say that, but also that I'm happy to let this AfD run if participants so wish, to establish a 'stickier' deletion than G5. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:43, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Continuing the debate suits me fine, thanks DG. Many thanks also to User:WomenArtistUpdates for the source analysis. Wikishovel (talk) 09:59, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Just came to say that, but also that I'm happy to let this AfD run if participants so wish, to establish a 'stickier' deletion than G5. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:43, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete AlphaCore talk 22:20, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. SaTnamZIN (talk) 05:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Santosh Ram (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Most of the sources fail WP:SIGCOV, and/or are press releases. This article is likely written by someone with a WP:COI, and it has been spammed crosswiki and across SEO farms. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 09:29, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete – Per WP:MILL. No truly noteworthy production to warrant an own article. Svartner (talk) 16:07, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: As per nom. And the references are not sufficient. AlphaCore talk 22:08, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Mu Tunç (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. WP:REFBOMB and violation of WP:COI. All of the sources are promotional. Independent and reliable sources are needed for passing GNG. Kadı Message 21:47, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Özdemir, Gülçin, Berceste (2019) Türkiye'de Bağımsız Sinemaya Dair Tartışmalar Istanbul. Nobel Bilimsel Eserler ISBN 6056928764 may be acceptable, but only this source is not adequate for keeping this article too. Kadı Message 21:55, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- The nomination misrepresents the sources and appears to be the continuation of a personal content dispute related to BLP issues, which is specifically not a valid reason for deletion (see WP:BLPDELETE). AfD is not the appropriate venue for resolving disagreements about content.
- The claim that “all sources are promotional” is factually incorrect. The subject is covered by multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources, including:
- Academic publication: Özdemir & Berceste (2019), Türkiye’de Bağımsız Sinemaya Dair Tartışmalar, Nobel Bilimsel Eserler, ISBN 6056928764
- (Academic sources by definition are NOT promotional and fully meet WP:RS.)
- National media profiles and interviews
- Film festival coverage
- Cultural journalism
- Independent industry commentary
- These satisfy WP:GNG through significant, independent coverage over multiple years.
- The article clearly meets the notability standards for creative professionals (WP:GNG, WP:NART, WP:BIO).
- Deletion is not justified. Andreasfromparis (talk) 07:07, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the tone and escalation of this nomination raise concerns related to Wikipedia’s guideline “Please Do Not Bite the Newcomers.”
- The nomination and subsequent comments appear unnecessarily adversarial, and the use of AfD in the immediate aftermath of a BLP dispute risks discouraging constructive participation rather than resolving content concerns through normal editorial processes.
- The article meets notability standards, has independent coverage, and can be improved rather than deleted.
- Deletion is not appropriate. Andreasfromparis (talk) 07:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- In addition to the points above, I would like to clarify that the article currently contains 58 independent, reliable references, including:
- Major international media outlets from all around the world (Vogue US, VICE, I-D, Die Welt)
- US cultural diplomacy sources (OneBeat / U.S. Cultural Department)
- British, French, Australian, German, and Turkish national publications
- Festival coverage across Europe and the U.S.
- Cultural journalism, film criticism, and industry reporting
- Academic coverage:
- Türkiye’de Bağımsız Sinemaya Dair Tartışmalar, Nobel Bilimsel Eserler, ISBN 6056928764
- These sources clearly fulfill the requirements of WP:GNG and WP:NART, which require significant, independent, reliable coverage. Academic sources alone meet WP:RS; combined with dozens of international media sources, the subject’s notability is not in question.
- The suggestion that “all sources are promotional” does not align with the actual references listed on the page, which come overwhelmingly from independent and reputable outlets worldwide.
- Given the breadth and depth of coverage across multiple countries and independent organizations, the article clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability standards and should be retained. Andreasfromparis (talk) 07:30, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- You've provided strong opinions and described a range of sources, but it doesn't make for a particularly clear argument. A simple way to pass WP:NCREATIVE is to have multiple independently-notable works. Can you consult WP:NFILM and provide a list of 2+ works that meet the NFILM criteria, clearly stating which of the numbered criteria they meet and linking the relevant sources? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 22:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep he has an IMDB page: [[5]] also there is this write up: Mu Tunç’s Cinematic Ode to Istanbul’s Punk History [[6]] and this one: 1990’lar İstanbulunda punk ve “Arada”: Mu Tunç [[7]]
and this one: Underground unter Erdogan [[8]] Agnieszka653 (talk) 21:40, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Agnieszka653, IMDB is not a reliable source, and the other links that you have provided are not independent sources; those are interviews with Tunç. Kadı Message 22:53, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Christopher Hale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unclear notability. Article seems like a CV perhaps written by those with a close connection to the subject. Article appears to have been created by the subject himself: User:Chrishale53 ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 04:53, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - obvious violation of WP:COI and WP:PROMO. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:09, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: appears to be no reliable sourcing in the article to establish notability. ~RAM (talk) 06:16, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Weak delete. The subject created this page in 2006, well before it became common knowledge that autobiography was disallowed here. Since then, he's become almost notable, but I still see a lack of significant coverage. As usual in such marginal cases, ping me if you find more reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 13:40, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Tim Dry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am a little surprised that I have had to bring this to AfD (although redirect to Tik and Tok might be fine but I am checking their notability next) because this page lists numerous accomplishments but when I try to check them out I can't find them or they are documented with self-published sources. In addition the article was created by what appears to be a COI account (NOIR Ltd.) and has been consistently updated by the subject of the article himself. Sources I have found include this book mention, this shorter mention in a magazine, and here in a list of mimes in star wars. Moritoriko (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: appears to be significant roles in major notable films, meeting criteria in WP:NACTOR. Seems like the article just needs some more work. ~RAM (talk) 06:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- I would counter saying his roles in Star Wars are not significant (two random alien creatures) and his role of Monster in Xtro is more significant, but don't think it is enough for WP:NACTOR. Moritoriko (talk) 06:46, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Character actor that does fan festivals [9], is about all I can find for coverage. What's used in the article doesn't really help, there are sources but no in-line sources, and no online links, so I can't verify how useful they are. Oaktree b (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Edward Winterhalder (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Completing nomination for IP user. Their argument for deletion is:
Ex biker who's written some books and consulted on some TV shows about being a biker.
Most of the sources are user generated sites like IMDB or sites linked directly to the subject. The independent sources that mention him are either passing mentions or promotional content.
I don't think any of this gives him enough notability for a wiki page.
Here2rewrite (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
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- DELETE - With the exception of one article on malive.com, I am not seeing anything else to establish notability. (Note: I removed many of unreliable sources such as IMDB).Kyunde (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- At the very least, there is a Sydney Morning Herald article on his 2009 book with Veno (added here) and a Quill & Quire review of his 2008 book (added here), and I'm seeing other newspaper citations such as the Courant and Tulsa World already in the article. Given the upcoming television adaptations, it may be possible to find more book reviews for a WP:NAUTHOR pass. Bridget (talk) 13:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- As a note, looks like all but the two books above were published by his company Blockhead City (i.e., self-published). Bridget (talk) 04:16, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- At the very least, there is a Sydney Morning Herald article on his 2009 book with Veno (added here) and a Quill & Quire review of his 2008 book (added here), and I'm seeing other newspaper citations such as the Courant and Tulsa World already in the article. Given the upcoming television adaptations, it may be possible to find more book reviews for a WP:NAUTHOR pass. Bridget (talk) 13:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- KEEP - Winterhalder was a former high-ranking world leader of the Bandidos motorcycle club who was instrumental in expanding the organization worldwide and was assigned to coordinate the assimilation of the Rock Machine into the Bandidos during the Quebec Biker War, a conflict that cost more than one-hundred and sixty people their lives. He's an author and subject matter expert published worldwide who has written more books about outlaw bikers and motorcycle clubs than anyone on the planet, and a television producer who has produced dozens of television shows about the genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-34751-43 (talk) 13:27, 20 November 2025 (UTC) — 2025-3471-43 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Don't use AI to comment please. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:36, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Passes GNG. [10][11][12]. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:36, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- KEEP - Winterhalder meets the following WP:NAUTHOR criteria
1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; Winterhalder was a former high-ranking world leader of the Bandidos motorcycle club. He was involved in the Quebec Biker War to the extent he was notably subject to legal proceedings in Canada to prevent him from entering the country. 2. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series); He documented his career in the Bandidos and his account of the Quebec Biker War in his autobiographical books The Assimilation and Searching for My Identity Volumes 1 and 2 providing a unique first hand view of these events, which is currently in development for TV. Winterhalder also Passes WP:GNG given above and his wide range of other books and TV projects and interviews — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-35222-97 (talk) 21:54, 20 November 2025 (UTC) — 2025-35222-97 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- KEEP - Clearly meets all criteria pursuant to WP:NAUTHOR, WP:AUTHOR and WP:Creative to be considered for notability with multiple reliable sources since 2008, and indisputably passes WP:GNG.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52]Blockheadcitydara — Preceding undated comment added 22:50, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- As a note, the above user Blockheadcitydara has declared a COI on their userpage as they are employed by Winterhalder's organization "Blockhead City" (which has published many of his books). Best, Bridget (talk) 03:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I am suspecting some of the comments in this discussion are being posted by a single account connected to Winterhalder ~2025-35228-09 (talk) 23:56, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:GNG. The subject's associates are not helping his case here but the sources linked above do evidence notability, though a few are passing mentions. Particularly [53], the MLive source [54], this seattle weekly source [55], [56], this full piece in the Courant [57], from a search I did that wasn't even comprehensive and didn't delve much into non-surface web sources. Sources are spread over a wide geographical and chronological range as well. Lots of interview sources as well, though those are less useful for proving notability. All in all, he is a notable person who has been covered in reliable sources (probably also passes NAUTHOR but I did not check for book reviews). I would keep a closer eye on this article for promotional editing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Michael Huang (animator) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Most of the coverage seems to be about BFDI and I don't think it passes GNG. The non-BFDI related information is trivial and doesn't establish notability much, though I might be wrong on this. I think this should be redirected to Battle for Dream Island unless more coverage is found. Z E T A3 02:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Wait for more coverage on Huang Wikiman2230 (talk) 02:33, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- If we have to wait then I say it's WP:TOOSOON. Jurta talk/contribs 12:59, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment these articles are part of the issue with the unwillingness to wait for consensus to develop at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_November_9#Cary_Huang as discussion ends up splattered all over the place. Redirect to BFDI or move to draft under the main title and move protect until such time as notability is more clear to avoid as many discussions on the Huangs as we've had on BDFI. Star Mississippi 02:41, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
KeepDraft It's practically just a stub/start class Article with some Onwiki controversy, But does need some work. :Tankishguy 02:48, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Draft/Weak keep: The argument isn't a really good excuse though I see your reasoning. Subject rarely passes WP:SIGCOV with only one source significantly talking about Michael himself in detail, and I notice a couple sources having no correlation to Michael himself in detail or in general, or blatantly talking about The Scale of the Universe with his brother, failing WP:NRV. I see potential of a standalone article rather than a full deletion but for now, this is gonna need more reputable sources about Michael in detail. ConeKota (talk) 02:52, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Expand scope to include Cary and move to Huang brothers (precedent: Green brothers), Huang twins, or Cary and Michael Huang. Some of the contents of Draft:Cary Huang (animator) and its historical revisions may be useful for this endeavor. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 02:53, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that there's more potential for passing WP:GNG if the brothers were covered in the same article, their activities overlap significantly so it only makes sense. Jurta talk/contribs 21:31, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect We can't just have non-notable articles in hopes that they will eventually become notable. He's not individually notable from the article yet. Redirect to Battle for Dream Island. WiinterU 03:14, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect, as a fan of BFDI Michael doesnt seem to be very notable individually(only known for 2 things and most of the coverage is about those 2 works), especially that its not merged with cary Animalsrule2024 (talk) 03:39, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't a valid argument to be honest. ConeKota (talk) 04:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I think the points are valid. I don't see how the Cary draft can avoid being near-identical to this article. There are a couple of things that set Cary apart from Michael (Abacaba[1][2][3] and 10003 Caryhuang), but not much that would set Michael apart from Cary. Both are best known for what they've worked on together, so it would make more sense to have just one article that's about both of them. If each twin gets a separate article, it may be difficult for us to agree on redirect targets for Huang twins, Huang brothers and Cary and Michael Huang. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 12:31, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- exactly Animalsrule2024 (talk) 16:06, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yes but theres not many sources and Cary is more notable so its good to as well either change the page or redirect Animalsrule2024 (talk) 16:06, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I think the points are valid. I don't see how the Cary draft can avoid being near-identical to this article. There are a couple of things that set Cary apart from Michael (Abacaba[1][2][3] and 10003 Caryhuang), but not much that would set Michael apart from Cary. Both are best known for what they've worked on together, so it would make more sense to have just one article that's about both of them. If each twin gets a separate article, it may be difficult for us to agree on redirect targets for Huang twins, Huang brothers and Cary and Michael Huang. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 12:31, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't a valid argument to be honest. ConeKota (talk) 04:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I can’t even do anything nowadays without someone judging me for it 💔✌️ Wikiman2230 (talk) 23:07, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- really should stop taking these personally; nobody is judging you specifically, they're judging the article grapesurgeon (talk) 14:09, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Nobody is judging you. They're judging the article for notability. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 12:15, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- I can't copy content from another draft nowadays without its author judging me for it. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- I think you should've given attribution in the edit summary at least because Wikipedia is CC-BY-SA 4.0. But yeah, the material Wikiman wrote is under a free license, as is all other text on Wikipedia. Z E T AC 17:02, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- I tried, but the link in my edit summary is red because I forgot that the title had a disambiguator. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- its plagiarism 🤦 Wikiman2230 (talk) 00:05, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- When you publish your work on Wikipedia, you agree to release them under CC BY-SA 4.0, which allows free copying as long as attribution is given. MrPersonHumanGuy gave attribution as required. Ca talk to me! 12:26, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- I think you should've given attribution in the edit summary at least because Wikipedia is CC-BY-SA 4.0. But yeah, the material Wikiman wrote is under a free license, as is all other text on Wikipedia. Z E T AC 17:02, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Man I feel like this is gon get deleted 😔 Wikiman2230 (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I can see this being a draft aswell, but most likely a redirect, you could copy the source before it is to potentially be reformed into a redirect into a new draft and improve upon there! ConeKota (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Good idea Wikiman2230 (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I can see this being a draft aswell, but most likely a redirect, you could copy the source before it is to potentially be reformed into a redirect into a new draft and improve upon there! ConeKota (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect per Star Mississippi. REAL_MOUSE_IRL talk 13:15, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect per above grapesurgeon (talk) 13:34, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak DeleteThe citations presented are not enough.Yolandagonzales (talk) 17:10, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Battle for Dream Island, per Star Mississippi and WiinterU. I believe that information about the brothers should be in BFDI for now. JudeHalley (talk) 22:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- man Wikiman2230 (talk) 00:05, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Addendum: I would also support expanding the scope to Huang brothers, per Jurta's comment. It would be easier to pass WP:GNG, at the very least. JudeHalley (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify per ConeKota. He is currently not notable enough outside of BFDI and Scale of The Universe. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 03:52, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Draft bc bfdi tpot 20 alONE ~2025-34554-90 (talk) 01:08, 20 November 2025 (UTC) — ~2025-34554-90 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Redirect to Battle for Dream Island or draftify and move protect per Star Mississippi. Unfortunately this is what some people were worried about once this topic became notable, the proliferation of spinoff articles about non-notable topics. The sources here do not establish the notability of Michael Huang. Katzrockso (talk) 06:59, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify the current article and create a redirect to Battle for Dream Island in mainsapce. The current article is decent, it only doesn't pass notability guidelines. If/when Michael Huang is notable, the draft can be moved back to mainspace. In the meantime, editors can still work on it in draftspace. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 16:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is the best idea ever! Please draft this article and save it! Wikiman2230 (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- It's still going to be in the article history if it's redirected Z E T AC 00:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Its revision history is still going to be available at Draft:Michael Huang (animator) if it's draftified. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:50, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- It's still going to be in the article history if it's redirected Z E T AC 00:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is the best idea ever! Please draft this article and save it! Wikiman2230 (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify the current article and create a redirect to Battle for Dream Island in mainsapce. The current article is decent, it only doesn't pass notability guidelines. If/when Michael Huang is notable, the draft can be moved back to mainspace. In the meantime, editors can still work on it in draftspace. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 16:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect To Battle for Dream Island per Star Mississippi. Notcoachjr (talk) 13:46, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Expand scope and create Huang brothers, but currently Redirect to Battle for Dream Island until a good article on that topic is made. As noted by MrPersonHumanGuy, three reliable sources covering the Cary Huang project Abacaba exist,[4][5][6] this information is notable, but of course does not exist on the BFDI page as it does not fit. TheSilksongPikmin (talk | contribs) 14:18, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep but Expand scope to include Cary Huang, and move to Huang twins or Cary and Michael Huang, per MrPersonHumanGuy above. As mentioned by Mr. Guy, "Some of the contents of Draft:Cary Huang (animator) and its historical revisions may be useful for this endeavor." Expanding the scope to be about the duo would also allow sources related to the asteroid named after Cary Huang to be present, and there's also a few reliable sources mentioned by TheSilksongPikmin above covering the Cary Huang project Abacaba, etc. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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- ^ Dvorsky, George. "Beautiful Visualization Charts History's Best Chess Players". Gizmodo. Retrieved 2022-01-31.
- ^ "This video captures 15 years of meme trends in 10 minutes". The Daily Dot. 2019-04-19. Retrieved 2022-01-31.
- ^ "Is Coronavirus Spreading Faster Than SARS, Ebola, and Swine Flu?". Snopes.com. Retrieved 2022-01-30.
- ^ Dvorsky, George. "Beautiful Visualization Charts History's Best Chess Players". Gizmodo. Retrieved 2022-01-31.
- ^ "This video captures 15 years of meme trends in 10 minutes". The Daily Dot. 2019-04-19. Retrieved 2022-01-31.
- ^ "Is Coronavirus Spreading Faster Than SARS, Ebola, and Swine Flu?". Snopes.com. Retrieved 2022-01-30.
- Clay Greenbush (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:BEFORE resulted in nothing but IMDB and similar WP:USERGEN sources. His notability appears rely on that of his family's – it appears he has only had mostly supporting roles, none of which are supported with significant coverage. Nil🥝 02:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: A nameless baby, Dead Blond Lady's husband and Orderly #4... These are not notable roles. There are zero sources I find that would show notability... Easy !delete Oaktree b (talk) 15:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Only mentions are insufficient to prove the subject's notability and no reliable references were found. Yolandagonzales (talk) 17:14, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - almost all the roles have been redshirts or similar background characters. Bearian (talk) 04:47, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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Article about a filmmaker, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:CREATIVE. This has existed for almost an entire decade, and spent most of that time completely unreferenced (and thus never should have survived this long) until having just one reference added to it only in August of this year. Even that one reference isn't really about him, however, but just briefly namechecks him in the process of being about a viral video -- so it would just make him a WP:BLP1E, not a person who had passed WP:GNG on substantive coverage and analysis about him and his work, if we took it as his principal notability claim.
But otherwise, this is strictly on the level of "person who did stuff", with the only other attempt at a notability claim being a list of awards from minor regional or local film festivals that are not highly meganotable enough to confer an automatic free pass over WP:NFILM without reliable sourcing to support them.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be the subject of a lot more GNG-worthy media coverage than this. Bearcat (talk) 13:27, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
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Keep: The citations presented are OK and will pass notability guidelines. In particular the articles in BBC, Jerusalem post, The Guardian and Jerusalem post are the best ones. Yolandagonzales (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- Most of those are not even in the article at all, and thus have not been "presented" — and all of them are covering him strictly in the context of the same single viral video, and thus have failed to demonstrate that he would pass WP:BLP1E. Bearcat (talk) 02:58, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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Bringing this here for discussion as nearly all of the edits are from blocked editors of one stripe or another. The promotional tone can be cleaned up, but I see no evidence of Said meeting notability as a musician or influencer. Star Mississippi 00:07, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
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Keep: The citations presented are OK.Yolandagonzales (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
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Keep: Sources that are in the article provide evidence of a good amount of coverage in Tanzanian media. I'd say notability guidelines are met. TheInevitables (talk) 00:25, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Won a national award, this appears notable. Sourcing is there to support the various claims. Oaktree b (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Patrick Marino (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article doesn’t meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Almost all sources are promotional blogs, PR-style features, or company-affiliated writeups. They repeat Marino’s business résumé but don’t provide independent, in-depth coverage about him as a subject. The only reliable sources (Variety) barely mention Marino and are focused on the film Lice, not on him personally. His notability in those articles is routine involvement as Kevin Connolly’s business partner, which falls under WP:NOTINHERITED. Acrom12 (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
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Keep: The citations presented are OK. He has coverage in Yahoo also. I have also found these additional articles CEO World and Deadline News.Yolandagonzales (talk) 16:45, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
Keep - Subject meets WP:GNG through multiple independent, reliable sources providing significant coverage. The article cites several sources with substantial content about the subject, demonstrating notability beyond routine coverage. Additional reliable sources have been provided by Yolandagonzales, further strengthening the case for notability. The sources are independent of the subject and provide more than trivial mentions.Sandycubs (talk) 18:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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I cannot find significant coverage about this film making individual. Has contributed only in 1 notable movie, 72 Hoorain so far where he was a co-producer. The subject clearly fails WP:FILMMAKER. Zalaraz (talk) 01:04, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect to 72 Hoorain – Where he is mentioned. Svartner (talk) 12:42, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- COMMENT: An Indian filmmaker born in Islamabad? Something fishy is going on here... WareWolf665 (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Chris Petersen (actor) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable child actor, who only had bit roles. Could not find SIGCOV on him. Natg 19 (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep- He is a real actor with verified and somewhat important roles in notable films. Having significant roles in several notable production films and tv series then he meets WP:NACTOR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VertiasArchivist3 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- There is no evidence supporting the claim that any of these roles were leading roles. Across the television series, he appeared in only a single episode for all but one show. Additionally, two of the films do not credit him prominently in the cast listing, and while one film lists him in the third position, this placement alone does not indicate a leading role. Furthermore, even if he did have one or two leading roles in lesser-known films or series, this would still be insufficient to meet NACTOR's criteria. Kyunde (talk) 09:16, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete- No evidence that he has had any leading roles to meet WP:NACTOR. See my comments above. Kyunde (talk) 09:18, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. Delete. ~2025-34140-84 (talk) 02:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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Based entirely on non-independent sources. Not clear this singer is independently notable of Sweetbox. Fails WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 02:56, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
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Redirect to Sweetbox#Jade Villalon with the edit history preserved under the redirect so editors can selectively merge any reliably sourced encyclopedic content to that article. The only reliable source that covered this artist in depth was this article from her youth [58]. I found this article [59] from 2006, but it's unclear why it reports her as a "German pop singer". Otherwise, there was only passing mentions in routine coverage.Katzrockso (talk) 04:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Keep per WP:MUSICBIO. The subject is notable because her album Out of the Box (Jade Valerie album) received #28 on the Oricon Albums Chart in her solo career and charted for 6 weeks overall. She seems to have an East Asian fanbase, which is why it was more difficult to find English coverage. This is doubly problematic given that online Japanese news publications often remove their articles after a short period of time, making finding more coverage even more difficult. Katzrockso (talk) 01:58, 22 November 2025 (UTC)- I found a few articles in Korean about her collaboration with Kim Dong-wan here [60] and then a later duet with Brian Joo [61] [62].
- There was a review of one of her solo albums here in Korean [63]. Katzrockso (talk) 04:25, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- I would support a redirect/merge to Sweetbox#Jade Villalon as an WP:ATD. The brief work she has done outside that group could be covered in a couple sentences in that subsection.4meter4 (talk) 14:39, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - I am undecided for voting purposes, but will point out that her later solo material (after Sweetbox) was under the name Jade Valerie, which might make a difference when searching. She has two solo albums under that name that have also been nominated for deletion, but nobody seems to have noticed Jade Vilallon discography which will have to be handled if everything in it is declared non-notable. The Jade Villalon section of the Sweetbox article, which has been suggested as a redirect target, is also full of poorly-supported fan trivia. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:25, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment from this link the subject appears to have charted per WP:GOODCHARTS, independently of Sweetbox. So does meet WP:MUSICBIO. ResonantDistortion 08:19, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Hugo Gittard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG and WP:NBIO. There's no biography or career section as well, only a section for filmography (which only has one entry) and their TV work. Gommeh 📖 🎮 15:02, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails WP:NBIO. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 19:57, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe Keep. He is the director or creator of multiple works which we have stand alone pages on (such as Mr. Baby, Hubert & Takako, Mr. Magoo). This is a strong indicator that he passes criteria 3 of WP:CREATIVE. All we would have to do is find multiple reviews of works he has created or directed and he would meet that WP:SNG. Unless for some reason those topics aren't notable as well, it's unlikely he wouldn't meet our guideline for creatives.4meter4 (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
All we would have to do is find multiple reviews of works he has created or directed and he would meet that WP:SNG.
Fair enough, but I wasn't able to find much when I looked. Gommeh 📖 🎮 17:49, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete this article give little indication why he’s notable. Go4thProsper (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete as it is currently written this seems to fail notability. He isnt the focus of any news articles or independent pages that I could find. Bgrus22 (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Nothing about this person in French media. Most are tv show listings/cast credit lists. This was about the only one in a RS [64], it's literally his name in a list of credits for an episode. I don't see a French wiki article, so that's no help. I had to try a .fr Google search, and the link I gave only comes up after about 15 pages... There isn't anything to be found that we can use for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:32, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Dakota Skye (actress) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Classic BLP1E/ONE EVENT territory. There is no real enduring coverage after her death. Spartaz Humbug! 14:28, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment Spartaz, could you elaborate what the 1E here is? I'm not seeing any one significant event she's associated with. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Her death was reported but its just oneevent Spartaz Humbug! 20:17, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I don't find the WP:BIO1E argument convincing, given that the information is better covered in this article than in, say,
Death of Dakota Skye
. I'm seeing RS coverage of her outside of her death, see for example this source from WP:ROLLINGSTONECULTURE which although being published following her death covers her entire life and career, or this piece from WP:THEWRAP [65] from before her death. I'm also seeing coverage of her controversial photo in front of a George Floyd memorial. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 10 November 2025 (UTC) - Keep as per Wasianpower. A person of sorts (talk) 16:46, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per wasianpower, this is not an instance of BLP1E. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 04:52, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – Her coverage extends beyond the event of death. Svartner (talk) 05:11, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy keep, weird and pointless AfD from a SPA(rtaz) nominator who has spent a decade or more on a morality crusade against pornography. Classic WP:BLP1ENOT, first because there is no "event" as obituaries do not fall into this category, and even assuming there was, the person is certainly not a WP:LOWPROFILE individual. Let alone this is not even a WP:BLP, WP:BLP1E requires each of three conditions being met, and the subject does not meet ANY of them. And the requirement of "real enduring coverage after death" looks like a brand new concept that goes against WP:NTEMP. Very questionable that a 2007 administrator seems unaware the guidelines or, even worse, is intentionally misapplying them due to a personal agenda. Standards were different in 2007, their RfA would today almost certainly be rejected within hours, possibly on the basis of this AfD alone. Cavarrone 08:37, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
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This was deleted some years ago for being non notable and was recreated and kept after her death in the summer, an avalanche of non policy based keep votes saw it kept, but now the immediacy has died down its time to reevaluate this on a policy based discussion.
So firstly, none of the award based stuff counts, pornbio is long gone and even performers of the year get deleted for failing GNG,
Does this fail GNG? I would argue yes, the only close sources are about her death and the new york daily post is not an RS. ELmundo isn't indepth and there appears to be no independant reporting, just rehashing social media. Then EW has a byline and some evidence of investigating, but at the end is again part obit and part rehashed socials.
Even if we did accept the above sources, this is firmly in BLP1E or ONEEVENT territory.
So fails GNG, ENT, BIO, and BLP1E/ONEEVENT Spartaz Humbug! 11:24, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: No evidence of WP:SIGCOV in turn, failing WP:GNG. Demt1298 (talk) 12:30, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Sometimes we need to be bold inorder to do things properly. I see this article as WP:NEVENT and so should be converted to Death of Kylie Page or whatever since there are significant coverage of her death. Then her biography could be merged too. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 16:31, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- I would argue that fails NOTNEWS as the death has no enduring echo in the news. Spartaz Humbug! 20:26, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: She was notable and successful in her field. TigerFromEarth (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- PS: The 2nd nomination was ruled after an 'avalanche' of 7 Keep votes. I don't see a good reason for another AfD nomination. This almost seems like someone wants to keep voting until they get their intended result. TigerFromEarth (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is precisely what I’m talking about. Apologies for the bluntness but this is previsely the policyfree kind of vote that destroyed the last discussion. So how was she notable in her field. Success is not a policy basednargument. What policy and sources are you offering here? I showed you mine, can you show me yours? Spartaz Humbug! 20:23, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- You didn't provide a good reason for another AfD. The notability guidelines are not set in stone and just following the letter of the rules makes me think of WP:LAWYER. Another AfD discussion at the moment tries to delete musical act Gambino Family although they had a Top 20 Billboard album, because there is no list of criteria that establish inherent, uncontestable notability. (A Billboard entry would be a useful citerion, for example). A rule on concert tours says that Michael Jackson's record-setting Bad tour is an example of a notable tour. Such wishy-washy rules help nobody. Maybe there should be a rule that Top 30 searched adult actor on a specific platform should be proof of inherent notability. Otherwise, almost anybody can be deleted. TigerFromEarth (talk) 21:06, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- In addition, WP:ONEEVENT is clearly not applicable here. Her death was only reported so prominently because she was a well-known adult actor. So this is not 'firmly in BLP1E or ONEEVENT territory', as you wrote. TigerFromEarth (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Somwell known she has no hope of having an article on that basis alone. Please do share the sources supportimg your assertions Spartaz Humbug! 22:57, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- People magazine, TMZ, German magazine Focus, leading Austrian newspaper Kronen Zeitung reported her death or cause of death in long articles including her biography and career (you can google the articles). Just scratching the surface here. Other notable things about her are already in the article: She was in a Netflix documentary, worked with leading porn production companies, has a nomination for XBIZ. Plus she is a well-known adult actress if you look her up.
- This AfD nomination is doomed to fail anyway as there were no significant changes of circumstances between 2nd and 3rd nomination. TigerFromEarth (talk) 19:27, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thats the one event and why it fails notnews Spartaz Humbug! 11:25, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- I count 4 notable instances in my former post. TigerFromEarth (talk) 22:34, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- And alll this discussion for a few kilobytes of data. Everything we delete in 2025 has the potential to be sorely missed in 2050 or later. There is no good reason to delete such an article. TigerFromEarth (talk) 22:38, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- I count 4 notable instances in my former post. TigerFromEarth (talk) 22:34, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thats the one event and why it fails notnews Spartaz Humbug! 11:25, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Somwell known she has no hope of having an article on that basis alone. Please do share the sources supportimg your assertions Spartaz Humbug! 22:57, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- The Gambinos had no sourcing, this has a bit more sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- In addition, WP:ONEEVENT is clearly not applicable here. Her death was only reported so prominently because she was a well-known adult actor. So this is not 'firmly in BLP1E or ONEEVENT territory', as you wrote. TigerFromEarth (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- You didn't provide a good reason for another AfD. The notability guidelines are not set in stone and just following the letter of the rules makes me think of WP:LAWYER. Another AfD discussion at the moment tries to delete musical act Gambino Family although they had a Top 20 Billboard album, because there is no list of criteria that establish inherent, uncontestable notability. (A Billboard entry would be a useful citerion, for example). A rule on concert tours says that Michael Jackson's record-setting Bad tour is an example of a notable tour. Such wishy-washy rules help nobody. Maybe there should be a rule that Top 30 searched adult actor on a specific platform should be proof of inherent notability. Otherwise, almost anybody can be deleted. TigerFromEarth (talk) 21:06, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is precisely what I’m talking about. Apologies for the bluntness but this is previsely the policyfree kind of vote that destroyed the last discussion. So how was she notable in her field. Success is not a policy basednargument. What policy and sources are you offering here? I showed you mine, can you show me yours? Spartaz Humbug! 20:23, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- PS: The 2nd nomination was ruled after an 'avalanche' of 7 Keep votes. I don't see a good reason for another AfD nomination. This almost seems like someone wants to keep voting until they get their intended result. TigerFromEarth (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Guerrilla Metropolitana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Not much independent coverage. His limited coverage is mostly interviews and reviews of films made by him. jolielover♥talk 05:06, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Hello, thank you for taking the time to review the article. I believe that there is enough coverage about him to qualify for an article. A lot of the coverage about him is controversial which ultimately does come down to peoples opinion of him. However the citations provided (not all) do link back to established people in the film and media industries whom are discussing him as a director. I didn't include the following information in the article as it hasn't happened yet, an author is writing a book about him, which would be another reliable published source upon completion. is this something you feel should be included, and if you would be able to help me improve the article so it can stay that would be appreciated. many thanks. JoeSage95 (talk) 08:05, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- Hi there, thanks for your comment. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and we can't determine if someone or something will be notable in the future. As the book is not published as of now, it does not count as a source towards notability. jolielover♥talk 09:34, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, that is why I didn't include that information in the article as it has not happened yet. However I believe that the citations provided do show his notability within his field as a directer. He has been spoken about by industry professionals, university lecturers, and critics. It just so happens that some of these are in a video format rather than for example a newspaper or book.
- If you were to write this article what type of sources would you be looking to include? Books, Magazines, appearances on the news? Im very new to wikipedia. Im really trying but it's confusing. I would like the article to stay up and not be deleted and i'm willing to work to making it the best it can be. JoeSage95 (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- Hi there, thanks for your comment. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and we can't determine if someone or something will be notable in the future. As the book is not published as of now, it does not count as a source towards notability. jolielover♥talk 09:34, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
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Relisting comment: AfD currently counts as a soft delete due to no opposition to the delete rationale. @JoeSage95's response comes across as a rationale to keep, however without the affirmation, this is still a soft delete. I am relisting to allow for further discussion.
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- The article creator has disclosed paid editing on their profile and they also created a (declined) draft for a film made by this BLP, disclosing on the draft page that they were paid for it. That isn't a factor in my vote and they've followed all the guidelines in declaring paid editing, but it's important to note so that their motivation for creating the article (compensation rather than a genuine belief that notability exists) is seen. aesurias (talk) 08:20, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- instead of deletion could we move the article into the drafts folder so it can be edited without the need for a complete re-write ? JoeSage95 (talk) 09:56, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- @JoeSage95, you are welcome to leave a !vote at this AfD. 11WB (talk) 17:23, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- i'm sorry I don't know what that means or how to do it JoeSage95 (talk) 11:07, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- You simply type 'keep' or 'delete' or an WP:ATD choice using MOS:B. I am unable to type out how to write it due to it automatically converting the text to bold. 11WB (talk) 13:54, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- You can check the editor and see how @Aesurias wrote it above. See where they've written '
Delete per nom.
' 11WB (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- You can check the editor and see how @Aesurias wrote it above. See where they've written '
- You simply type 'keep' or 'delete' or an WP:ATD choice using MOS:B. I am unable to type out how to write it due to it automatically converting the text to bold. 11WB (talk) 13:54, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- i'm sorry I don't know what that means or how to do it JoeSage95 (talk) 11:07, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- @JoeSage95, you are welcome to leave a !vote at this AfD. 11WB (talk) 17:23, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- instead of deletion could we move the article into the drafts folder so it can be edited without the need for a complete re-write ? JoeSage95 (talk) 09:56, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Julia Hammett-Jamart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Insufficient depth of coverage from reliable sources; most of the sources listed are mentions or written by the subject. A Sunday Telegraph article from 1991 is referenced, but it doesn't appear to be available anywhere. Likely undisclosed COI editing. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:53, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Hi Jamie. Interesting. Did I miss something? The article seems to have a bucket-load of independent sources. Copy/Paste here below:
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- ~2025-32325-56 (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- It's not necessary to copy/paste all of the references that are already in the article. Please re-read what I wrote above; nearly all of the references are either articles written by the subjects or just links to film listings; for example, this link from screenaustralia.gov.au is simply a listing of a film by the subject. I don't see any third-party reliable sources that have in-depth coverage of the subject. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:52, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
Another indiscriminate list of references from the same not-logged-in editor
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- Delete despite the grand claims of the article, she only gets 2 google news hits. Lacking coverage to meet WP:CREATIVE and WP:BIO, and some serious WP:COI concerns here. LibStar (talk) 05:46, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Hi. I’m a new user so I hope it is OK to join the discussion here (new to wikipedia but experienced at editing text). Am I right in thinking that this article is not a new wikipedia entry (history tab shows entries dating back about 8 years)? Also looks like it has had more than 20 contributors, which suggests a certain level of neutrality.
- I was checking out the Wikipedia deletion policy, and found this: “If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page”. So just wondering whether improving the article might be an important first step (and may be more consistent with Wikipedia policy)?
- A quick search brings up quite a few sources sources that could be added to improve this article. For instance, I found this reference, which is a third party, independent article with depth of coverage from a reliable source: https://comm.ku.dk/calendar/2019/european-film/
- I'm guessing there are probably more. Don't know for sure but could try. ~2025-32854-94 (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- A guest lecturer mentioned in a university press release is a long way from showing notability... None of these are helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Just a note that despite the request to join the discussion as a new user, this appears to be the same editor that dropped the three lists of references hatted above. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:00, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- A guest lecturer mentioned in a university press release is a long way from showing notability... None of these are helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Wouldn't pass academic notability [66] with a sub 100 citations... a regular Gsearch brings up social media, LinkedIn, Imdb, then off a cliff for RS. There just isn't enough here to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:58, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I don't feel I can responsibly close this discussion as a Delete without at least a minimum investigation into all of these sources dumped into this discussion. There are a ton so a source assessment doesn't need to be comprehensive but at least a summary of sources would help out here.
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Delete: As other users have already pointed out, the subject of this article does not seem very notable (hence the only 2 google news hits) and does seem to show some signs of COI. I say this because, if a Wikipedia user woke up one day and decided to write a new article and contribute to the overall internet literacy of the world, why, of all things would they write about Julia Hammett-Jamart? Poland44444444 (talk) 00:17, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Sandy Master (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Repost of previously deleted and salted material: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandy (choreographer) (2nd nomination) * Pppery * it has begun... 18:28, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: With two previous AFDs (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandy (choreographer)) a Soft deletion is not an option here.
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- Ilakkiyan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Very little notability here. Most of the sources fail WP:RS (references to other language wikipedias and IMDB). IMHO this is a case of WP:BLOWITUP. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:00, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Not notable and unreliable sources. Just do away with it. CabinetCavers (talk) 17:18, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep – Independent Tamil sources confirm the notability of Ilakkiyan (இலக்கியன்), a Tamil film lyricist active from the late 1980s.
- # **Vaamanan**, Thiraik Kavignargal 2000 Varai (திரைக் கவிஞர்கள் 2000 வரை) – 1st Edition, Chennai: Sakthi Pathippagam / Kalaignan Pathippagam, 2000, pp. 368–369.
- :* This **published reference book** includes a short biography and photograph of Ilakkiyan.
- :* The text explicitly states that Ilakkiyan worked as an assistant director before becoming a lyricist, and that he wrote songs for the Tamil films Rettai Jadai Vayasu and Priyam.
- :* Tamil excerpt (from the book)
- : : > “இன்னொரு புதுப் பாடலாசிரியர் இலக்கியன். எண்பதுகளின் கடைசியில் சேலத்திலிருந்து சென்னை வந்தார் இலக்கியன். பல பேர்களிடம் உதவி இயக்குநராகப் பணியாற்றினார். இசையமைப்பாளர் வித்யாசாகர், இயக்குநர் சிவகுமார், 'ப்ரியம்' பாண்டியன் ஆகியோர் தந்த ஆதரவால் பாடலாசிரியர் ஆனார். ‘ரெட்டை ஜடை வயசு’, ‘ப்ரியம்’ என்று சில படங்களில் பாடல் எழுதியிருக்கிறார்.”
- : — வாமனன், *திரைக் கவிஞர்கள் 2000 வரை*, பக். 368–369.
- :* **English translation:**
- : > “Another new lyricist is Ilakkiyan. In the late 1980s, he came from Salem to Chennai and worked as an assistant director to several people. With the support of composer Vidyasagar, director Sivakumar, and ‘Priyam’ Pandian, he became a lyricist. He has written songs for films such as *Rettai Jadai Vayasu* and *Priyam*.”
- : —Vamanan, *Thiraik kavingarkal 2000 varai*, pp. 368–369.
- :* Verified library catalog records:
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Eastern University, Sri Lanka – Permanent Reference Book
Roja Muthiah Research Library, Chennai – Research Library Catalog Record
- # **Tamil magazine coverage (சுயாதீன இதழ் ஆதாரங்கள்) :**
- :* Ananda Vikatan (4 July 1999) – Feature article “தமிழ் சினிமாவில் புதிய புலவர்கள்,” covering Ilakkiyan’s background with photographs.
- :* Cinema Express (1 & 15 November 1999) – Two feature articles about emerging Tamil lyricists, including Ilakkiyan with photos and interviews.
- # These sources are **independent, verifiable, and reliable**, fulfilling WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:GNG.
- # Together, they confirm that Ilakkiyan is a **documented Tamil film lyricist** with independent recognition in reliable publications. Thanks. Yaathuraa (talk) 10:00, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: If the sources Thiraik Kavignargal 2000 Varai, Ananda Vikatan (1999), and Cinema Express (1999) have substantial coverage, the subject likely meets WP:GNG, but it's impossible to tell since I can't find these articles/section anywhere online, much less read them. -- Reconrabbit 19:13, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Michael Cammarata (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Twice deleted previously. I doubt the person has become notable in WP:GNG sense even though there is a lot of SEO content online. The article is currently being edited by a few WP:SPAs to add negative information, while some IPs appear to be countering those edits (possibly the subject himself). He is mainly for serving as CEO of small companies such as Neptune Wellness Solutions and Schmidt's Naturals. After applying the stringent WP:BLP policy, not much would likely remain, and most of the controversies or negative aspects could be better covered in the Neptune Wellness Solutions article per WP:NOPAGE.
Some cited sources like Forbes article ([67]) falls under WP:FORBESCON, and the Money article is merely an WP:INTERVIEW with limited independent content, written by Paul Schrodt, a professional guest contributor. The article clearly lacks the WP:BLP-quality sources required to meet WP:SIGCOV. A simple redirect to Neptune Wellness Solutions should be enough to preserve relevant information. Brodie Dotson (talk) 23:55, 1 November 2025 (UTC) via UtherSRG (talk) 15:07, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Sourcing is either self published, not independent, or contains brief passing mentions. Fails WP:GNG/WP:BASIC. Suggest WP:SALT since this would be deletion three.4meter4 (talk) 02:12, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting. Already brought to AFD so Soft deletion is not appropriate.
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- Comment - All of the previous AFD perticipants: @Illia Connell, FreeRangeFrog, JayJay, Reddogsix, GregJackP, Greengreengreenred, Internetfreedom, SQGibbon, Tom Morris, and SaveATreeEatAVegan: - UtherSRG (talk) 17:09, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- Also note that WP:Articles for deletion/Michael Cammarata is for a different person, so I added the "T" AFD to the infobox. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:12, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - I have recently added multiple independent, reliable sources that provide substantive coverage of the subject’s executive roles and business activities. These additions are intended to address previous WP:GNG and WP:BLP concerns. I would appreciate a review of the updated article before a final decision is made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-32346-38 (talk) 12:16, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Most of the coverage in the article is bad, but there is some WP:SIGCOV. This [68] extended profile of him is very significant coverage, and there is other bits and pieces between articles about his appointment to CEO [69], info about his company EzzHosting [70], etc all have passages of coverage that contribute to WP:SIGCOV. So under WP:BASIC, he's notable.Katzrockso (talk) 03:11, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Also, I don't think all of the previous AfD are for the same person, as noted above. What's marked as the first one (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Cammarata) appears to be about a firefighter, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Cammarata (2nd nomination) is about a manager of some famous musicians, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael T Cammarata is about this person, which was in 2012. Katzrockso (talk) 06:50, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Websites like TheStreet or non-notable WP:TRADES like mjbizdaily.com are not high quality sources to meet WP:GNG. ~2025-33212-90 (talk) 12:28, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- From WP:TRADES, "a feature story is usually a longer article where the writer has researched and interviewed to tell a factual story about a person, place, event, idea, or issue. Features are not opinion-driven and are more in-depth than traditional news stories." The MJBizDaily article is an obvious instance of a feature story that has in-depth coverage that is not opinion driven. Also, this is about WP:BASIC, which doesn't require any of the strict requirements for WP:NCORP. Katzrockso (talk) 09:52, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: With divergent opinions, a source assessment here would be helpful. And, as noted not all of these 4 AFDs are about the same subject.
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- Redirect to Neptune Wellness Solutions. Among the three sources presented by Katzrockso, the first is fine, the second is a repackaged press release[71], the third is likely promotional since it has no byline, and all non-bylined articles in Men's Journal's entertainment section look promotional[72]. There is no need to salt the page, as this version was created in 2019 via AfC. Kelob2678 (talk) 14:16, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Lassy Marquez (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG - Arcrev1 (talk) 14:00, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - the article is well sourced and don't need a deletion it just need a copyediting. Zekab (talk)
- Keep - The article is well-sourced, and the person certainly passed the notability criteria per WP:GNG. Jp2593 (talk) 05:16, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: policy based input please
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- Comment: I don't think that even though the article is well-sourced, it provides enough basis to create a stand-alone article. According to WP:SIGCOV, the coverage must be non-trivial, but the listed sources are mostly trivial and none focus on their life in a way that would establish notability. If you read the policy, it specifies the use of "secondary" sources, yet most of the listed sources that cover them (independently) are primary sources, such as GMA Network and ABS-CBN. Finally, the sources should be independent of the subject, but of the nearly 40 sources listed, almost all are not independent. - Arcrev1 (talk) 09:55, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment:Looking at the references there are 9 primary sources in the article out of 44 is pikapika, bandera, balita, Interaksyon, adobo magazine etc are not secondary sources? The article looks notable to me unlike the articles of Rupaul's Drag Race contestants. - Zekab (talk)
- Comment: Sources mentioned by Zekab (Pikapika, Bandera, Balita, Interaksyon, Adobo Magazine) appear to be secondary though some caution is needed with Pikapika as the said publication and the subject's agent are part of the same conglomerate if not the same company. -Ian Lopez @ 17:23, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Ianlopez1115 and Zekab: Yes, what you said is correct. There are many secondary sources in the article, but the question is what makes secondary sources a valid basis for establishing a subject's notability. According to WP:GNG, it requires secondary sources, but those listed or labeled as independent reliable sources do not actually show independence from the subject. The policy says sources must be independent of the subject, non-trivial, and must provide significant coverage. Yes, there are secondary sources, but they do not meet the other criteria. The first source in the article, which is from BANDERA, is the only one that appears to provide real coverage focused on the subject and is independent of the subject. The fourth source, which is from BANDERA INQUIRER, is not independent because it includes Vice Ganda and MC, and it is very trivial, so it is not independent of Lassy. The fifth source is the same. The sixth source is simply news about flooding and not about his life, only a one-time event. The seventh source is from PEP, which is owned by GMA Network, so that is considered primary. The fourteenth source is about a television program, not about Lassy. Sources eight through thirteen are all not about him either. Although they are secondary sources, they are not about Lassy. The twenty first source is also not independent of the subject because MC is included. The twenty first and twenty second sources come from PHILIPPINE STAR and ABANTE, but they are still not independent of the subject. The twenty fifth source comes from ABANTE, but again, it is not independent of the subject. The same applies to the twenty sixth source. The thirtieth source from PIKAPIKA is not coverage about his life. It only says that Vice is confident and proud of him, which is not a story about Lassy or independent of him. The thirty second source is also from PIKAPIKA but is about the life of Chad Kinis. The thirty third source is from ADOBO MAGAZINE, but it is not independent of the subject because it is about the movie Fantastica. The rest can be understood simply by reading the titles. You cannot look only at whether they are secondary sources. Aside from the first one, none of them provide coverage about the subject or independence from the subject. - Arcrev1 (talk) 01:28, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Arcrev1 I suggest you use {{Source assess}} to critique all the sources being used right now, like the review of the sources used in an article now deleted through Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Today Hong Kong, Tomorrow Taiwan, Day After Tomorrow Okinawa. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:30, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Ianlopez1115 and Zekab: Yes, what you said is correct. There are many secondary sources in the article, but the question is what makes secondary sources a valid basis for establishing a subject's notability. According to WP:GNG, it requires secondary sources, but those listed or labeled as independent reliable sources do not actually show independence from the subject. The policy says sources must be independent of the subject, non-trivial, and must provide significant coverage. Yes, there are secondary sources, but they do not meet the other criteria. The first source in the article, which is from BANDERA, is the only one that appears to provide real coverage focused on the subject and is independent of the subject. The fourth source, which is from BANDERA INQUIRER, is not independent because it includes Vice Ganda and MC, and it is very trivial, so it is not independent of Lassy. The fifth source is the same. The sixth source is simply news about flooding and not about his life, only a one-time event. The seventh source is from PEP, which is owned by GMA Network, so that is considered primary. The fourteenth source is about a television program, not about Lassy. Sources eight through thirteen are all not about him either. Although they are secondary sources, they are not about Lassy. The twenty first source is also not independent of the subject because MC is included. The twenty first and twenty second sources come from PHILIPPINE STAR and ABANTE, but they are still not independent of the subject. The twenty fifth source comes from ABANTE, but again, it is not independent of the subject. The same applies to the twenty sixth source. The thirtieth source from PIKAPIKA is not coverage about his life. It only says that Vice is confident and proud of him, which is not a story about Lassy or independent of him. The thirty second source is also from PIKAPIKA but is about the life of Chad Kinis. The thirty third source is from ADOBO MAGAZINE, but it is not independent of the subject because it is about the movie Fantastica. The rest can be understood simply by reading the titles. You cannot look only at whether they are secondary sources. Aside from the first one, none of them provide coverage about the subject or independence from the subject. - Arcrev1 (talk) 01:28, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I added additional sources, sources who covered Lassy Marquez independently just like source number 8, 9, 13, 28 and 40 hoping everyone will consider. Abskiee (talk)
- Keep: Passed per WP:NACTOR:
The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, notable television shows, stage performances, or other notable productions
. Some of the filmography are unsourced but it can be resolve that. ROY is WAR Talk! 03:50, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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