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Rhythm of Love Tour

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Unnotable concert. No coverage in sources. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 12:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cultural impact of Katy Perry

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After a PROD was removed for unclear reasons, I'm taking this to AFD. It's filled with fancruft and comes off as a WP:POVFORK with claims that are unsourced and/or promotional in nature. I therefore suspect whoever started the page up wanted to have a puff piece focused on praising Katy Perry. Either way, the "Legacy" section of her main bio already is sufficient when talking about impact on music. There's no need for a bloated subpage. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Al Ferrier

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Biography of a musician, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. As always, musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they existed, and have to pass certain specific notability criteria supported by WP:GNG-worthy third party sourcing about them in media independent of themselves (such as newspapers, music magazines or books) -- but this literally just states that he exists and lists a bunch of singles and albums without making any discernible claim to passage of NMUSIC at all, and the only "reference" in the entire article is his paid inclusion obituary on the self-published website of the funeral home that held his funeral, which is not a notability-assisting source.
This has also already been moved into draftspace once for being unreferenced, before being moved back into mainspace by its creator yesterday upon the addition of the funeral home footnote that isn't cutting it, so it has to come to AFD rather than just being immediately redraftified.
The simple fact that he existed is in no way "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass GNG on proper reliable sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 15:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets WP:musicbio#1. Quick search has identified: significant biographical coverage in this 1996 book, published by University of Illinois Press. Single reviews from 1956, and 1957, and an album review from 1976. ResonantDis_tortion 21:26, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Subject was a notable figure in early rockabilly and appeared on the Louisiana Hayride; meets WP:N. RolandSimon (talk) 02:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany Trump

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WP:INVALIDBIO and WP:NOTINHERITED. Barron Trump was recently closed as a redirect, and many of the arguments for he being redirected apply to Tiffany as well: the article isn't very long, she isn't in the public eye very much, and coverage of her invariably mentions her father. Both Barron and Tiffany are adults now. Some presidential children have their own articles; many do not. Her notability hasn't been discussed in nine years (during which there were multiple Barron AfDs) so discussing it now seems fair. _pbp 14:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep; the decision with respect to Barron Trump has since been reversed, and in any case this is both an WP:OTHERSTUFF assertion, and one where the subject at hand is clearly more notable. BD2412 T 14:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the assertion "clearly more notable" needs some evidence backing it up... _pbp 16:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One of the complaints about Barron in the discussion was that he kept a politically lower profile, whereas she was a speaker at the Republican National Convention, with the requisite press coverage. BD2412 T 17:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tiffany in turn keeps a much lower profile than Junior, Eric and Ivanka though... _pbp 19:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - She was already deemed notable by the community in two previous AfD attempts, becoming so thanks to media coverage the first time her father ran for President, and notability is not temporary. While she is less political than the rest of the family, her fashion business and occasional speeches in connection with her father have generated media coverage. Also, a person's love or hatred of the limelight is not part of the notability calculus, and we do not have a mathematical formula here for how "low" or "high" someone's profile should be. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 23:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Sufficient WP:SIGCOV to estabilishes WP:GNG per her own. Svartner (talk) 03:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ Magnolia677 (talk) 13:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FBG Duck

Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, WP:MUSICBIO, and WP:VICTIM. No indication of awards or charted songs.

FBG Duck was shot to death August 4, 2020, and his article was deleted two weeks later, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FBG Duck. None of his posthumous releases were notable. This is mostly a recreation of a murdered rapper's tribute article. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: Coverage in XXL Magazine and Billboard before he died, shows some critical notice during his active period. Oaktree b (talk) 15:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – FBG Duck meets notability criteria as follows:

WP:BASIC – There is extensive, in‐depth coverage from reliable sources before his death including XXL Magazine, AllMusic, HotNewHipHop, The Fader, Billboard, and Hypebeast.

WP:ANYBIO – FBG Duck’s career is established by his achievements notably earning an RIAA Gold Award for his hit song "Slide" and is not defined solely by his death.

WP:MUSICBIO – Extensive coverage from multiple reliable , including XXL Magazine, AllMusic, HotNewHipHop, The Fader, and Hypebeast as well as his RIAA Gold Award for "Slide"—confirms his significance as a rapper, songwriter.

WP:VICTIM does not apply – The article focuses on his music career, achievements, long before his death.

I believe this AfD has been made again because of a WP:IDONTLIKEIT bias rather than genuine notability concerns.

and also "None of his posthumous releases were notable." hahahaha go check this for me HotNewHipHop. Momentoftrue (talk) 01:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Momentoftrue: As a former five-year-old, I can appreciate your "hahahaha" comment. Had you included the RIAA Gold in the article, I wouldn't have nominated this for deletion. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Typaldos D. children's choir

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I think this sort of thing (a children's band from a foreign country) is a uniquely difficult thing to find sources on. All the same I'm failing to find coverage in-depth coverage reliable sources (lots of passing credits or else promotion of upcoming event). I'm also having trouble finding anything about the award talked about in the article (although again it being a Portuguese award from the 90s, which I only have the English name of makes confirmation difficult). I don't see this passing based on this though, as it doesn't seem to be a "major music competition", as WP:BAND requires. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 12:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This article doesn't cite any sources at all and fails WP:BAND. The award talked about in specific is not notable, and upon trying to find any reliable sources for the choir, none can be found.

WormEater13 (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per nom, only award is from a non-notable organization and reliable sources are absent. Fails WP:BAND. Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 13:15, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A-Wax

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Fails WP:NMUSIC and GNG, and seems like a trojan horse of BLP violations since a lot of the information around rap feuds is unsourced. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:30, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Citations are fake, article is low quality, possibly generated by a llm and the creator has been banned see here for more info. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:37, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom: this subject appears to fail WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:ANYBIO for lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. JFHJr (㊟) 03:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ankhlejohn

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The sources in the article and a WP:BEFORE mostly turn up press releases and interviews in non-RSes. I don't see anything that indicates general notability or WP:NMUSIC. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:34, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Citations are fake, article was originally possibly generated by a llm and the creator has been banned see here for more info. aside from that; Ankhlejohn doesnt seem to meet general notability guidelines and there does not appear to be any significant coverage of them fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 12:29, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom: this subject appears to fail WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:ANYBIO for lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. JFHJr (㊟) 03:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Percy Keith

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I don't see anything that indicates WP:NMUSIC or even GNG. The best sources are local news coverage of Percy Keith being arrested for drug / gun charges, which definitely doesn't contribute to notability. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. largely uncited with the first citation being a very fake youtube link, article is low quality, possibly generated by a llm and the creator has been banned see here for more info. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom: this subject appears to fail WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:ANYBIO for lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. JFHJr (㊟) 03:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lil' Eto

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Not notable rapper, I can't find much aside from WP:BANDCAMP and other user generated sources. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:38, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per Nom. Insanityclown1 (talk) 07:22, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fake citations, article is low quality, possibly generated by a llm and the creator has been banned see here for more info. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom: this subject appears to fail WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:ANYBIO for lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. JFHJr (㊟) 03:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hus Kingpin

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No indication that this meets WP:NMUSIC, most of the sources are bandcamp and spotify links. A WP:BEFORE didn't turn up any good sources either. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:45, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fake citations, article is low quality, possibly generated by a llm and the creator has been banned see here for more info. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. Also noting that an AI detector indicated that at least 75% of the (hypey) article are AI-generated. JSFarman (talk) 15:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom: this subject appears to fail WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:ANYBIO for lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. JFHJr (㊟) 03:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

LEZO (rap group)

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No claim to any notability. Fails WP:N. Deleted in Ukrainian Wikipedia. Mitte27 (talk) 10:46, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Kardong

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This article is just talking more about who the subject collabed with in music rather that about himself. And looking for sources on him, I didn't find any sources on him. GamerPro64 05:52, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:TNT. This page can not be fixed by ordinary editing. It's as if the creator has never actually read a Wikipedia article. WP:NOTRESUME. Bearian (talk) 14:39, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arghoslent

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Nominating this for deletion. Unnotable and now seemingly inactive fringe band without even an active website. Keystone18 (talk) 22:42, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - They do have some minor media coverage, but always as one example among many others of bands that were removed from streaming services or otherwise attracted controversy for their lyrics. In other words, they appear as a bullet point in lists. Their music itself, or their particular lyrics for that matter, never generated any significant and independent coverage that I can find. The band was deleted long ago even when our notability requirements were much more lenient that now. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:58, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. White power music doesn't get coverage in normal journalism for obvious reasons, but the notable ones do tend to get coverage in academic sources, which they do. There is sigcov in Music and Genocide, a Peter Lang book. More here [1] [2] that plus the news coverage is decent. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also this French book on NSBM [3] from a decent music specialist publisher. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:56, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+ sigcov in a book from one of the same authors, but not sure if it is the same book just translated? [4] this appears to be from a normal music book publisher. cited a decent amount in academic works [5] PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arvid Andersen

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Subject does not appear to me to be notable, corresponding danish article's only source is a dead database, and never directly linked to a specific page on that database. Gnisacc (talk) 21:12, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete: The Danish wiki page has enough info, IF it was sourced. Since it doesn't, it fails notability, and I'm for deletion. LastJabberwocky (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Drop Dead! (Argentine band)

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The band has not become more notable since the last deletion discussion in 2009. The band lacks coverage in reliable sources (most sources are self-published, not independent, or lacking significant coverage), and other WP:BAND criteria are not met. PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 20:58, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I have nothing to add. I agree! LastJabberwocky (talk) 21:25, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amarfis

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this previously unfootnoted article about a musician, and added one reference, though it is a passing mention. I cannot see significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, and therefore don't think he meets WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO, and nor can I find evidence that he meets WP:NMUSICIAN. No obvious redirect target. Tagged with notability concerns since 2018. Tacyarg (talk) 05:30, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Vocalist for a non-notable band. An editor from Mars (talk) 06:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – The band's name was misspelled. It's "La Banda de Atakke", not "La Banda de Attake". Searching with the right name helped with my search. In 2006, Amarfis won Billboard's Tropical Airplay Song Of The Year, New Artist.[6]. I think that counts for WP:MUSICBIO #8. Meeting this criterion wouldn't make him automatically notable, but it would help.

Refbomb of press releases, questionably independent sources, and trivial coverage to review if he is already notable for other reasons: El Nuevo Diario (República Dominicana), Listín Diario, CDN, El Caribe Diario Libre

Ping me if he doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO #8. — PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 22:57, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 04:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aditi Saigal

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This is a case of Wp:TOOSOON. Just one film as acting career and one ep for that she received some press coverage. Other than that she is daughter of singer and actor parents but notability is not inherited. Fails wp:NACTOR and Wp:NMUSIC as well. Zuck28 (talk) 11:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per WP:FORBES, Forbes is generally considered a reliable source and can see Forbes covering profile for this person in their article here ^[1] Circular Karma (talk) 14:06, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.forbesindia.com/article/30-under-30-2024/aditi-saigal-aka-dot-winning-with-words-and-melody/91751/1

Not all individuals featured in Forbes necessarily meet the eligibility threshold for a standalone Wikipedia article.

The subject must first satisfy the notability criteria outlined in Wikipedia's WP:Notability guidelines as a prerequisite for inclusion.

Zuck28 (talk) 14:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Notability is not established per WP:NACTOR, WP:MUSICBIO nor WP:GNG. The sourcing consists of standard PR type promo that one would see for any emerging actor with a press agent, including Forbes, which is not significant coverage, it's simply a photo of her with a caption mentioning her name, thus trivial. The Forbes "profile" link above is more standard PR ~~written by "Forbes Staff", (it does not even have a by-line)~~. I agree with the nom that this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. Perhaps in a few more years this emerging actor will become notable, but at this time, one acting role, Spotify "fans" and famous parents is not enough. Netherzone (talk) 15:46, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It does have a byline and in my view counts as one piece of significant reliable sources coverage. Another reliable bylined piece in the Hindu here, another bylined piece here, leaning Keep for WP:GNG rather than WP:NACTOR imvAtlantic306 (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: One film is not sufficient to pass WP:NACTOR. Need at-least three feature films/web series/TV to comply WP:ACTOR. Forbes 30 Under 30 is paid. Bakhtar40 (talk) 18:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
General comment: Two is enough. Guideline says: "multiple" not "several". -Mushy Yank. 14:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: coverage has her meet WP:GNG. At worst a redirect to The_Archies_(film)#Cast is totally warranted so opposed to deletion. -Mushy Yank. 14:38, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails to meet WP:NACTRESS. RangersRus (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Schwartz

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Lack of any notability whatsoever - prior print sources were bogus and unverifiable. Biased and POV statements littered throughout the article and the subject has flaunted said article on social media (facebook) many times. Large chunk of contributions to the article are from suspicious anonymous IP addresses that have only edited that page, as well as Guy Schwartz's own wikipedia account. Subject has not established notability and this page should be deleted. Brandonac4473 (talk) 09:08, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Well, the article is unsourced, so that's of no help. I don't find anything for sourcing. Could be notable, but the lack of any kind of sourcing isn't helpful. Could be a hoax or an LLM article for all I know. Could likely speedy this. Oaktree b (talk) 14:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment is the nominator the ip who removed the references which are shown here on the basis that they were bogus such as the Houston Press?. However, I did find this piece in the Houston Press here so maybe they weren't as bogus as is claimed, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:59, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep also found these other Houston Press articles about him here, here,here, here, here, and here. Going by this evidence the other references removed such as Billboard may be genuine as well, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, yes I am the user who called the Houston press in an attempt to independently verify the articles he cited on his own wikipedia page - none of those print articles existed according to them.

Your first link to houston press is talking about MARTY schwartz, not Guy Schwartz - Marty is a youtuber with infinitely more notoriety.

Of the rest of the articles you linked, guy schwartz is the main subject of only TWO of those articles - and not to mention, they are all by the same publication. Which per WP:GNG - "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability."

The only cited source within the entire article that I could find that had any direct ties to guy schwartz was yet another Houston Press article from 2007 entitled "South By Due East↵Racket heads for Austin as Guy Schwartz and M. Martin bicker over the history of a local festival" and it was incorrectly cited for a statement that claimed they have been running said festival since 2003 - which the article mentions nowhere. Thus why I pulled it from the article.

Perhaps Guy Schwartz could write a new wikipedia page about himself with info from those two articles that he is the subject of, appropriately citing things that are within those articles for the information therein. But the article as it stands is a plethora of wild unsupported claims - such as claims of a 2016 presidential campaign that are based in nothing but fantasy. Claiming he toured with Duran Duran, Todd Rundgren and Huey Lewis.

If Guy Schwartz was truly notable, then one would think he would manage more than a couple articles in Houston Press about his band. Brandonac4473 (talk) 09:17, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the Billboard references I confirmed were bogus through online archives of those issues he claimed he was in.

It also doesnt change the fact that none of those articles you linked were cited within the page. Had they been, this may have been a different story. Albeit the issue still stands: Per WP:GNG "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability." Brandonac4473 (talk) 10:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response, I've removed the Marty Schwartz reference. Agree more sources are required, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you agree more sources are required for notability, then please consider changing your recommendation to delete. Brandonac4473 (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly remove the bold in your request as it might be considered a !vote and it is assumed that nominators are generally in favour of deletion and cannot !vote. ◇Not sure it is appropriate to ask a voter to change their suggestion the way you did, but maybe that’s not an issue. -Mushy Yank. 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies - unbolded that word.

They can obviously do whatever they want, but I figured asking them to reconsider their vote would be appropriate considering that they now agree with the basis of my issue with the article to begin with - that more sources are needed. Brandonac4473 (talk) 20:20, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not yet fully convinced that additional sources do not exist so am sticking with my keep vote pending further evidence, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Houston Chronicle has bits of coverage about him; including this presenting him as "an icon of the Houston scene". -Mushy Yank. 00:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(and same media: https://www.chron.com/entertainment/music/article/guy-schwartz-new-jack-hippies-1979508.php (based on an interview)+ or this (short/similar to first and with similar appraisal, "a Houston institution"); this interview at Rag Radio (with an extensive presentation) (see WP:INTERVIEWS, an essay) can serve is this is kept to expand and verify. So that imv, he might meet one or two of the inclusion criteria as defined in the guideline about WP:Notability (music), namely:

"Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself"

(excludes interviews) and/or, more likely:

"Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city"

Houston is a city. GS, at 73, seems to be listed among the most prominent Americana musicians of its local scene. Ergo (weak) keep? If kept, the article, currently tag-bombed, should be cleaned up. -Mushy Yank. 00:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do any of these articles you linked support the plethora of claims made throughout the article?

This is why my attempts to verify them were so exhaustive. There are no credible sources for him having ran a 2016 presidential campaign, no credible sources for having toured with Duran Duran or Huey Lewis.

He might've passed WP:GNG if those articles were properly cited within the article but they weren't cited at all.

And Houston Chronicle calling his band an "icon" is a stretch particularly when their latest "music video" has 48 views on youtube. link

Houston Chronicle is open for business btw for paid promotions. Brandonac4473 (talk) 04:38, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if notability is established, WP:NDELETE still says a wikipedia article must cite sources for whatever information it presents - regardless of notability.

The entirety of the article is filled with unverifiable claims. He still doesn't pass WP:GNG in my opinion but the criteria to delete the page has absolutely been met per WP:NDELETE even if he is truly notable. Brandonac4473 (talk) 09:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to fix it, then and remove everything you think is inappropriate (please do not WP:BLANK the page, though). As for the idea that a page about a "truly notable subject" should (or even could) be deleted because the page has no sources cited, although sources exist (and in the case of an/this AfD, especially if sources are presented!!!!), I am very sorry, but: ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Just read Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_is_based_on_the_existence_of_suitable_sources,_not_on_the_state_of_sourcing_in_an_article, which is a WP:guideline. "WP:NDELETE" is an essay (="the advice or opinions of one [..] Wikipedia contributor[s]", not a policy or guideline). You are totally free to cite it and it is not a problem, but it has little, if any, weight as an argument to delete a page. (I completely disagree with that essay, personally, and find it is full of wild and reckless assertions). Also, articles that do not pass WP:GNG but meet a given WP:SNG may be kept, depending on the case. Best, -Mushy Yank. 10:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, so you disagree with WP:NDELETE, thats fine.

Do you think Guy Schwartz meets WP:SIGCOV?

A brief mention in a list of other houston musicians seems like a trivial mention. Brandonac4473 (talk) 22:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails WP:N. The phoney 2016 presidential campaign with no citations to back it up says everything to me. Nominator appears to have tried to independently verify the print articles thoroughly. My own searching of “Guy Schwartz” on the internet doesnt produce much either, except for his wiki page. Non-notable. Brenae wafato (talk) 21:56, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Albana Bilalli

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After being deleted less than six months ago, this promotional page is back, different enough that it's not G4-able but still with no evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. The sources are music database pages, marketing copy for events, WP:PRIMARYSOURCE WP:INTERVIEWS ([7]), her Spotify page, and brief tabloid-y mentions of her videos/singles being available ([8], [9], [10], [11], [12]) -- not any independent reviews that confirm NMUSIC eligibility. (I didn't find anything else in my BEFORE search, but of course open to reviewing other sources should they be found, considering they are mostly in Albanian.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Providing a courtesy ping to all participants in the prior AfD: @Iaof2017 @4meter4 @Cooldudeseven7 @Bearian @Doomsdayer520 @Vanderwaalforces. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:35, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  In the interest of being completely fair, I did raise the point of the previous article and a {{G4}} deletion decision with @asilvering and it was their opinion that at least some of the source present in this version of the article were not present or discussed the previous go-round, see this discussion. —‍Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not pass GNG or NMUSIC. ^Wiinter_U 17:05, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I agree with the source analysis done by the nominator and come to the same conclusion that the subject does not meet NMUSIC, ANYBIO or the GNG criteria. Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:39, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Still has very poor sourcing. Most of the sources given are at most one paragraph of text and a link to a Youtube video. Could be seen as promotional, but with the limited sourcing, should be deleted. I find no sources about this individual either. I don't see proof of a charted single, a major album release or anything else we'd use for musical notability. Simply appearing at an Expo in Dubai is not enough. Oaktree b (talk) 18:58, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - there is at least one reliable source, Telegrafi, but that still doesn't make it significant coverage. It's a good try anyway. Bearian (talk) 19:44, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Since the previous AfD she seems to have placed some press releases with more prestigious news sources (as noted by the last voter), but they are still basic introductions and promotional statements that do not add up to significant coverage. To be charitable, let's go with too soon. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:55, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No reliable sources or coverage. Does not deserve to exist. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 11:46, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose deletion: I strongly oppose the deletion of the article about Albana Bilalli and request that it be kept.

While I acknowledge that the article could benefit from additional sources, I believe it is premature to delete it entirely. Albana Bilalli has demonstrated clear notability in the music industry, even if she is still in the early stages of her career. The existing sources, while not extensive, do provide insight into her work, and there is potential for more significant coverage as her career progresses.

It's important to recognize that not all musicians receive immediate widespread media attention, but that does not automatically disqualify them from notability. Many notable musicians started with smaller, niche audiences and gradually built their reputation. Albana Bilalli has already gained some recognition within her field, and with time, more reliable, independent sources will likely surface.

Instead of deleting the article, I propose that we give it more time to develop. The article can be improved with additional sources as they become available, and I firmly believe that it will meet notability standards in the future. A quick deletion would disregard the potential for growth in her career and limit the article's ability to reflect this over time.

Thank you for reconsidering the deletion of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiWanderer87 (talk • contribs) — Note to closing admin: WikiWanderer87 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.

Your concerns are addressed in Wikipedia's "too soon" policy. In short, if she qualifies for an article in the future then an article can be accepted at that time but not now. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:38, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There are a few sources but I don't think it is enough to meet notability. RolandSimon (talk) 02:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, still WP:PROMO which is not notable. 6-months later did not change that. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:10, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bass-T

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Does not appear to meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG based on a WP:BEFORE search. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:11, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment the subject does appear to have an extensive catalogue of releases. Out of these, three singles do appear to have had impact on national charts: Germany and Austria. ResonantDis_tortion 19:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Currently lacks sufficient citations from reliable, independent sources to fully establish his notability. RolandSimon (talk) 04:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Snovi

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Snovi is a Croatian band. The page relies solely on self-published sources (Facebook page, Bandcamp) and doesn't have any reliable independent sources. Based on WP:Band. Google News don't show anything related to Snovi. Other wikis don't have a page for Snovi. LastJabberwocky (talk) 14:39, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing found in Gnews. Gsearch only brings up bandcamp, youtube an their website. Sourcing now in the article is non-RS as the nom states. Not meeting musical notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:01, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Katrina Johansson

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Non notable musician. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their work exists. There needs to be coverage about them or their work. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, only sources are database-type, and can't find anything that should qualify on my own searches Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 13:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: I deprodded this because I thought the deletion without either a search of all the potential sources or an open discussion would be a mistake. Bearian (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hara (band)

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Non-notable band. Article created in 2004. Not to be confused with The Hara, which seems to be notable. Natg 19 (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete article has been here since 2004 and has not improved. Is not notable. Ramos1990 (talk)

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Dondero High School A Capella Choir Pop Concert

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I rejected this at draftspace but it was moved to mainspace and renamed. This fails WP:GNG due to a lack of secondary coverage. The book was written by someone who went to the high school and isn't secondary, and the reporting is local coverage, mostly of the book which was written. It's also not written from a neutral point of view, which is a clean up issue if this is kept. SportingFlyer T·C 23:39, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The book is usable for historical information, and we don't need it to establish notability because the Detroit News and Oakland Press articles are enough to establish notability. The articles are relevant. The Detroit News is one of the most important newspapers in the United States. The Oakland Free Press is the most important newspaper in Oakland County. Articles relevant to Metro Detroit help achieve notability. The area has a greater population than some countries. The Metro Detroit area has millions of people. If you asked 100 people what their subjective opinion on what a neutral point of view is, they would give 100 different answers. As far as I am aware, the statements in the article are backed by reliable sources. I believe that is as objective as you can get. Orlando Davis (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this article meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines? Wikipedia rules require significant coverage of reliable and independent sources so that a fair and balanced article can be written. All of the articles used in the Pop Concert article are from reliable sources, including the Detroit News article and two separate Oakland Press articles, and those articles have the pop concert as the main subject and not just a passing mention, making the coverage in the Detroit News and Oakland Press articles significant. The Detroit News and Oakland Press articles are also independent sources as they were written by writers who were not affiliated with the pop concert. Wikipedia requires at least one secondary source for an article to qualify, and this article has several secondary sources, including the Detroit News article and the 2 Oakland Press articles. Wikipedia requires multiple sources for an article to qualify (The definition of multiple is more than one). The Detroit News article and the 2 separate Oakland Press articles satisfy the multiple articles Wikipedia guideline. See Wikipedia's notability guidelines posted here in the section "why we have these requirements": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability. The Pop Concert article also establishes notability by explaining that the Pop Concert was innovative and groundbreaking for its time in the field of high school choir performance. Also, I had the right to move up the Pop Concert article once it was no longer in the articles of creation space since I am an autoconfirmed user. Orlando Davis (talk) 02:30, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally: "Local sources are considered to be reliable sources if they meet Wikipedia's guidelines for being reliable sources. They are valid in establishing notability if they provide in-depth, non-routine, non-trivial coverage of the subject." See this Wikipedia article: Wikipedia:Notability (local interests)#:~:text=Articles on local interests are,going, non-trivial coverage. As I stated before, the Detroit News and Oakland Press articles provide in-depth coverage, and not just a passing mention of the Dondero Pop Concert. Also, the article Mr Hartoe's Opus was written 9 years before the other articles and compares Mr. Hartsoe's story to the movie Mr. Holland's Opus while discussing the history of the Dondero Pop Concert. The other two articles mention the book but focus primarily on the history of the Dondero Pop concert. Orlando Davis (talk) 17:14, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete article created by an IP in 2024. Sourcing is not good. Does not seem notable or encyplopedic. Probably a promoter or someone close to the subject. Ramos1990 (talk) 21:19, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please cite why you think the sourcing is not good? Seems not notable is not a reason. You should back that with some sort of Wikipedia regulation. See this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy It's not about how you feel about something. A potential conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article, and it is already under review. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:An_interest_is_not_a_conflict_of_interest Orlando Davis (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dondero High School. I don't think this can be said to have notability separate from the institution, given its purely local provenance. BD2412 T 01:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I dont see how this book is notable. A quick Google search shows 0 results. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 13:26, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just did a google search of the Dondero High School Pop Concert and got lots of results including the sources that have links on the bottom of the Dondero Pop Concert article.The article is not about the book. It is about the Dondero High School pop concert. As I already stated earlier in the conversation, the notability is based on significant coverage from multiple sources (The definition of multiple is more than one). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability Those sources are the Detroit News and two articles from the Oakland Press that have links. We can use the book for historical information, but we don't need the book for the article's notability because notability is established by the Detroit News and Oakland press articles that have links at the bottom of the page. As I stated earlier in the conversation, those sources are reliable and provide in depth coverage of the Dondero Pop Concert. Orlando Davis (talk) 13:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should not merge the page because it does not qualify to merge based on Wikipedia's merging policy. Wikipedia:Merging#:~:text=Any editor can perform a,and discussed, as detailed below. Please cite a Wikipedia policy page and quote if you think the page should merge if you vote this way. Orlando Davis (talk) 13:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Detroit News and Oakland Free Press are not small-town newspapers. The Detroit News is one of the two most important newspapers in Detroit, which is one of the biggest cities in the United States, and the Oakland Press is the most important newspaper in one of the biggest counties in the United States. These are the sources that establish notability for the Dondero High School A Capella Choir Pop Concert article. The guidelines are clear about how notability is established, and the article is notable because it includes multiple articles on the subject of the article with significant coverage and not just a passing mention. Orlando Davis (talk) 13:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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