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[edit]- Brenda Vongova (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. References either do not provide WP:SIGCOV or are not WP:INDEPENDENT. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Brenda Vongova meets WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE criteria for notability. She has:
- Founded the UN Chamber Music Society, which has performed at the UN General Assembly and Carnegie Hall;
- Collaborated with international institutions such as the New York Philharmonic, UNESCO, and the Abu Dhabi Festival;
- Been profiled by reputable media sources including *Vogue*, *Newsweek*, *GRAMMY.com*, and *JNS*;
- Worked as a high-level UN civil servant in the Executive Office of the Secretary-General;
- Produced concerts and events in observance of UN-recognized days such as Holocaust Remembrance Day and World Arabic Language Day.
- Her artistic and institutional impact has been recognized independently and internationally, establishing clear WP:SIGCOV and WP:INDEP coverage. The article can be improved with more inline citations and formatting, but the subject is clearly notable. MaddieBerry (talk) 10:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Working as a civil servant is an office job... Newsweek is not a reliable source. The rest of the comments suggest notability, but we have no sourcing in reliable sources. Oaktree b (talk) 13:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Brenda Vongova meets WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE criteria for notability. She has:
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- Comment in support of the nomination, here's my source assessment, which concludes that zero of the sources contribute to WP:GNG:
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Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Only sources I find are from the UN. As the table above shows, the sourcing isn't acceptable. Being covered in Newsweek and PassBlue (one of which is not a RS) isn't helping. Could potentially be notable, but we need sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 13:43, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Oaktree, thank you for your chart. I will collect more reliable sources accordingly to make this page better. I will defined revise it. Please give me some time, don’t delete it. Thank you. MaddieBerry (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- definitely * MaddieBerry (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Oaktree, thank you for your chart. I will collect more reliable sources accordingly to make this page better. I will defined revise it. Please give me some time, don’t delete it. Thank you. MaddieBerry (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Traidmarc (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Going through the sources:
- [1] is an interview
- [2] is just a quote
- [3] he is not mentioned
- [4] seems to be promotional content WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA (ends with "Sent from my iPhone")
- [5] dead link
- [6] interview
- [7] broken link to his website
- [8] broken link to his company
- [9] interview
- [10] interview
- [11] interview
- [12] interview
- [13] Amnesty website does not mention Traidmarc
- [14] press release
- [15] press release
- [16] dead link to press release
- [17] seems promotional WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA
- [18] IMDB
- [19] self published
- [20] self published/dead link
Does not meet the relevant notability guidelines. A search only found more similar sources. 🄻🄰 14:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: No WP:RS from reliable secondary sources that are in-depth to prove notability. m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 15:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Does not seem notable per nomMetallurgist (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Vicoka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. No reliable, significant coverage of this musician. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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weak keep: Only for the award nomination in 2020. Doesn't seem to have had much critical notice since then, but the award is barely enough. Oaktree b (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2025 (UTC)- @Oaktree b. There's nothing to support that claim. The page that that citation links to ([21]) is non-existent. I found this article ([22]) from the same website covering The Headies 2020 but it does not mention this person. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'll adjust my vote then. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Fancy Refrigerator Well, if you checked, I already tagged with AI-gen as it clearly is. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b. There's nothing to support that claim. The page that that citation links to ([21]) is non-existent. I found this article ([22]) from the same website covering The Headies 2020 but it does not mention this person. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Not enough sources, I can't even find any, to substantiate any ramification of NMUSICIAN or GNG. The non-win Headies nomination (which never happened) is insufficient. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete AI text, a non-existent nomination and no sourcing that I can find. Very PROMO. Easy delete. Oaktree b (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. This could have been speedily deleted. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 15:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Craig J. Williams (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Author created this article twice (see: Craig J Williams) which demonstrates a possible WP:COI, and they also created AJ Williams. Subject appears to be non-notable, and there's clearly a lack of reliable sourcing. Fails WP:NPRODUCER. CycloneYoris talk! 01:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Subject is non-notable; likewise subject's works are trivial, in-passing, and/or non-notable in their own right--- not to mention again, poorly sourced. Again echoing @CycloneYoris:'s concerns, WP:COI seems heavily at play for this author. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 07:14, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - As of this writing everything in the article is typed out twice, but no matter how much filler you add, Mr. Williams is not notable. He has some professional credits on fairly famous projects, but he is a behind-the-scenes worker with no reliable coverage of his career or biography as an encyclopedic topic. Some salt or other admin action may be needed to prevent more attempts in the future. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Gizzverse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested WP:DRAFT since it was recreated by the author. Page is entirely unsourced, and there isn't any evidence of notability. CycloneYoris talk! 00:46, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete unsourced nonsense, probably meets/is borderline WP:SPEEDYDELETE category G1. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Unsourced and random. Fits WP:SPEEDYDELETE. Floating Orb Let's talk! 01:05, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Strongly delete. Article is completely random and there are no sources to establish notability. Possibly also made up as well. Galaxybeing (talk) 03:46, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unsourced nonsense, probably meets/is borderline WP:SPEEDYDELETE category G1. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard#Gizzverse: Gizzverse is certainly a real term used to describe the band's lore ([23], [24], [25], [26], [27]). But I think it can be reasonably expanded on the band's page. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:16, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Gizzverse section of band article per @LastJabberwocky. Looks like the creator had another go at this article after I draftified Gizzversus. I did find some of those sources but this in-universe stream-of-consciousness stuff doesn't belong here. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 12:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect as suggested by the voters above because the topic could be a search term and it already has a sub-section at the band's article. Otherwise this new article is pure fancruft that accomplishes nothing encyclopedic. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:46, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Adrianna Edwards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Mostly mentions, interviews, or coverage in unreliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 19:09, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Source 4 is a RS, but that's about all there is. I'm not sure sources 6 and 7 help add to notability, her "loving a fight scene" seems like celebrity fluff. Those are about all I can find as well. Doesn't seem to meet musical notability with no charted singles, no awards and hardly any critical notice of her work other than source 4 as explained. Oaktree b (talk) 19:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - I couldn't find any more sources regarding her past promotional pieces or unreliable sources. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Further to the RS coverage identified above, there are two further WP:RSMUSIC sources including Mixmag and a bylined single review in DJ Mag. Furthermore, both Magnetic Mag and EDM Identity have feature articles with bylined coverage (as well as curated interviews): Magnetic Mag & EDM Identity. I am not sure this is a clear delete yet. ResonantDistortion 22:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ali Barakat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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BLP of an apparently minor singer. BLP1E may apply as he appears to be famous mainly for saying he wants to be a suicide bomber. Mccapra (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Has received WP:SIGCOV from BuzzFeed News [28], the NYT [29], and the AP [30]. Other coverage: L'Orient–Le Jour [31], The Daily Star [32], MEMRI [33], Washington Post [34]. Not a WP:BLP1E - there is a significant time gap between the sources. Astaire (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Per the sources identified by Astaire. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Umashankar Kannaiyan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable music producer. Article is filled with links to social media sites (and to IMDb, which is unreliable). Subject appears to lack coverage from reliable sources, and fails WP:NPRODUCER and WP:NCOMPOSER. Could be eligible for speedy deletion under A7. CycloneYoris talk! 08:56, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: As per the nomination. Taabii (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy delete: No reliable source. Zuck28 (talk) 17:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Sources are unreliable as per the original nominator's concerns. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 19:18, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Revised for Wikipedia policy compliance: updated references to reliable sources, removed social media, IMDb references, removed non-Independent links, clarified sourcing. Glissundo (talk) 23:46, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 17:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Svartner, @MayhemStoppingBy, @Zuck28, @Taabii and @CycloneYoris
- As I mentioned earlier, I have Revised the content for Wikipedia policy compliance: updated references to reliable sources, removed social media, IMDb references, removed non-Independent links, clarified sourcing.
- Only the information that has references to reliable sources has been retained in the page.
- Please go through the updated content. Glissundo (talk) 19:56, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Still no reliable source. Zuck28 (talk) 19:58, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – The article includes independent coverage from multiple sources including behindwoods ( two different features), rolling Stone India features, Malai Malar and HearMusic.in. The subject has composed music for Tamil-Language film Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum, for which Malai Malar reference has been provided. This is a verifiable film credits. The article has been revised to remove promotional tone (Unintentional if there was a promotional tone earlier), social Media, IMDb references. I welcome further improvements per Wikipedia Policy. Glissundo (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rolling Stone is simply a link to a video with no text or analysis, this is not an acceptable source. We require articles about the person. Oaktree b (talk) 01:41, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Does not meet musical notability, no awards won, no critical analysis of their work, no albums released, no charted singles. The Rolling Stone article is simply a link to a video of a song on Youtube. The rest are trivial mentions or in non-RS. Very PROMO and not notable. Oaktree b (talk) 01:43, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Serge and Christine Ghisoland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject appears to fail to meet WP:NMUSIC, in particular WP:MUSICBIO, and although they competed in the Eurovision Song Contest the lack of any follow-up career would place the subject under WP:ONEEVENT. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 23:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Does not actually appear to be a "duo", but rather two people who performed together for Eurovision and then did nothing else 'notable' together. Grk1011 (talk) 00:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Belgium in the Eurovision Song Contest 1972 as an ATD? Zzz plant (talk) 01:16, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Jon Robert Cart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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PROD deleted by the subject himself. Non-notable professor. No valid secondary sourcing: all press releases, interviews, or self-published. No in-depth article on the subject. I could not find a single scholarly article from the subject on Google scholar.
Additionally, Professor Cart has made numerous COI edits since 2007 ([35]), the subject was warned then under a different account and again today with his new account, ([36]). His workplace has policies in place dealing with conflicts of interest. Assuming good faith in this case is quite difficult. All academics know what a conflict of interest is. m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 21:42, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- and all of the citations are independent reliable sources. articles are published within my discipline in internationally renowned and juried articles. Robert Cart (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note: user accounts Robert Cart and Ianbrowning, both of which edited this page, were confirmed to be the same user and were blocked for sockpuppetry - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Robert Cart. Dorsetonian (talk) 06:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- It is not true that all citations are independent sources: the last four are all by Cart himself. And there are other problems, for example: Montclair's website can only confirm he works there, it is not an independent source for his notability (footnote 1), or the notability of the concert on China (footnote 6); likewise the Network for New Music website is not an independent source for the notability of their concerts- let alone the notability of a single musician. UrielAcosta (talk) 00:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- and all of the citations are independent reliable sources. articles are published within my discipline in internationally renowned and juried articles. Robert Cart (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is harrassment. Please stop before I report it. Robert Cart (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note: user accounts Robert Cart and Ianbrowning, both of which edited this page, were confirmed to be the same user and were blocked for sockpuppetry - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Robert Cart. Dorsetonian (talk) 06:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- While Mamani could definitely have been nicer, sending an article to AfD after a contested PROD is standard procedure and shouldn't be seen as harrassment. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:15, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Being a professor with published work is not in itself automatically notable, see also my comments to the author/subject of the article above refuting his claim that all sources are independent. UrielAcosta (talk) 00:34, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Hi! This is your first edit here on Wikipedia – may I ask how you found this specific AfD? If Jon Robert Cart himself invited you to participate here, I invite you to look at why this isn't ideal. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:18, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ianbrowning, your comment appears to be AI generated based on its structure and language. Please see WP:LLMDISCLOSE Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unless better RS can be found. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:35, 12 July 2025 (UTC).
- Delete Although this is an autobiography, the subject probably did meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria in 2008 when this was created. However, I do not see that WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO or WP:PROF in their current form are met. Dorsetonian (talk) 08:11, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete for all the reasons that autobiography is discouraged: WP:COI, WP:OR, weak sourcing, risk to the Wikimedia Foundation's charitable status, meat puppetry, and sockpuppetry, all like a checklist of what not to do here. The use of LLM on pages here also endangers us, but from the other side of the law. Bearian (talk) 18:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Subject fails to fulfil the criteria of WP:NACADEMIC (and that's before taking into account the COI edits and sockpuppetry). — Arcaist (contr—talk) 09:46, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NPROF and lacks WP:THREE (on top of all the other problems). --hroest 18:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Mr. V (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not appear to meet the notability criteria of WP:N and WP:BIO. I cannot find significant coverage in independent reliable sources. There's an album review from The Skinny, which doesn't say much about Mr. V himself, and a four-paragraph biography at various places including Resident Advisor, Insomniac, and Last.fm, which was copied wholesale into the Wikipedia article (a clear WP:COPYVIO). Much of the article is pure WP:PUFFERY. The copyright violation and puffery can be fixed, of course, but fundamentally I don't think the subject meets the notability bar. —Bkell (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Leaning Keep. Above the Skinny album review, there is further coverage in Gale A159707065, an album review in HX Magazine via TWL, bylined coverage in WP:RSMUSIC source DJ Mag, and another WP:RSMUSIC source calls the subject a "New York Legend" Mixmag, and also here. Article however needs much work. ResonantDistortion 07:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Kamal Hosni (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article is about someone who acted in one movie and nothing else. Seems too personal of an article with barely any real information on the individual. GamerPro64 05:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: I am unable to find neither information about the person nor anything that indicates they even appeared in the movie mentioned. Easily fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Nagol0929 (talk) 05:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Possibly also notable as a singer. The corresponding article in the Arabic Wikipedia has several references that could be added to this one. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Well the sources have been added but I'm not sure they provide enough information to show how notable the subject is. GamerPro64 03:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- JoBlaq (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable. A WP:BEFORE did not surface significant coverage in reliable sources as required by WP:GNG, nor are any of the four criteria for WP:NCREATIVE met. All substantial mentions appear to be the type of unreliable promotional coverage cautioned against by WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA, and reading through much of it brings on a feeling of déjà vu. This includes the sources currently present in the article:
- Tribune Online
"Callmejoblaq is undoubtedly a rising star in Nigeria’s entertainment industry, inspiring aspiring creators and leaving a lasting mark on the scene."
- Independent
"As he continues to push boundaries and inspire aspiring creators, the industry is abuzz with anticipation for what he will accomplish next."
- This Day
"Joblaq’s ability to connect with millions of viewers through his engaging content is a testament to his creative talent and comedic charm."
- Vanguard and The Guardian NG (the same article with different linebreaks)
"Joblaq’s fusion of humor, storytelling, and his American accent in his communication and acting skills truly cements his position as a rising star in the world of social media influencers, leaving a lasting impact on his viewers and followers."
etc. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- all this make up an article. 2RDD (talk) 21:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- All this are well known Newspapers and magazines in Nigeria. 2RDD (talk) 22:08, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:GNG. All fluff. m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 13:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I believe this article should be kept because it has been significantly improved since the deletion discussion began. The removal of unreliable sources and addition of reliable references have strengthened the article's notability. The content now meets Wikipedia's standards for inclusion.𝓂𝐚ภᗪ𝕀Ҝeᔕ (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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"The removal of unreliable sources and addition of reliable references have strengthened the article's notability."
– This is the article at the time of nomination, and this is the article at the time of this comment. I see that the same citations from The Guardian NG, Vanguard, Independent, This Day and Tribune Online are all used. Could you point out one of the new added references that provide reliable and significant coverage? fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 03:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)- Vanguard , Turntable 𝓂𝐚ภᗪ𝕀Ҝeᔕ (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response.
- Vanguard was already stated to be an unreliable source before, as noted above they and The Guardian NG ran the same promotional piece. Another unattributed article from the same unreliable source is not strong evidence for notability. The TurnTable Charts article is not significant coverage, and therefore does not help establish notability. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 04:17, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note for closers: Mandike's edit immediately preceding their above "keep" was to remove a conversation where they and 2RDD swapped offsite contact information [37]. 2RDD is the user who moved this article back into articlespace [38], objected to my nomination on my talk page [39], and made the first comments here in support of keeping it [40]. This is Mandikes' first AfD, and it comes right after off-site contact with a user advocating to keep this article, Meatpuppetry is likely. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 04:11, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four: Please do not involve me to this. I do this just to improve the article. And I am not aguing any thing with you again. We will let top editors to decide what will happen to the article. I am not in the right to decide. Thank you. 🙏 2RDD (talk) 05:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Vanguard , Turntable 𝓂𝐚ภᗪ𝕀Ҝeᔕ (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Mandikes: It is better you wait for top editors to decide than to decide for yourself. Wikipedia is where we share, learn, and upgrade. If you don't know anything about this now, you should be calm for now. Thank you 2RDD (talk) 05:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: I agree with the nominator, all of the articles are promotional or not reliable. 🄻🄰 14:57, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sigma AZ (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lacks SIGCOV in independent sources. This article has great coverage; plus an interview and a passing mention of Tak3down. I don't think these sources are enough to make an encyclopedic article. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 20:20, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. In my searches I could find a Capital FM page for a UK drum-and-bass group called Sigma, but that isn't related to the Arizona group at all. When I specified "Tak3down", that was what I needed to find some interviews and puff pieces about the Tak3down duo after they left the band, but that isn't Sigma, nor is it enough to meet the SIGCOV requirement. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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This article seems to lacks SIGCOV in independent sources; I found only this review of their song published in the Fuzz magazine. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 20:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. It's been sourced for 15 years to a single source about a made up in one day award and MySpace. I seconded the prod and stand by that. It was deprodded by an IP address. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Besides the discogs, bandcamp, youtube and last.fm search results that pop up, I'm not seeing any significant coverage to substantiate an article. After 15 years, no additional quality sources seem to exist. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:36, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Virus (British band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Escape Orbit (Talk) 15:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Previous version was deleted for failing to demonstrate notability. This version is no better, having no sources whatsoever, and yet has been given years grace to provide some. Article in all cases was created by editor claiming to be in the band. Escape Orbit (Talk) 16:05, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with this. I noticed in the 2016 AfD that you voted to keep. I assume your nomination for deletion now is due to nothing having been done to improve the article via adding references, for the past 9 years? 11WB (talk) 16:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- I don't remember exactly. My comment at the time suggested I'd seen something to demonstrate notability, but others disagreed. After deletion, it was recreated, and since then has been tagged for years as unsourced. I stubbified it a while back, but today all the unsourced detail is back, with the editor adding it seeming to think that being a member of the band justifies restoring and maintaining a biography of their band on Wikipedia. It doesn't demonstrate any notability or have anything to verify it.
- Someone removed a PROD some years ago, claiming the band is mentioned in a book. But the article doesn't mention or cite this. Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Your comment there indicates you were looking for sources for Virus the thrash metal group (see your Coke Finlay search) and not Virus the anarcho-punk group. Is it possible that the prior iteration of this article was about a different group with the same name? fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 18:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- That is correct (see below). It appears there are two bands (one punk rock and one thrash metal) with a similar or same name. @Escape Orbit 11WB (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes. That makes sense. Although, this is the second time an article about the punk rock band has been created, as the creator of the article's talk page shows. But, as others say here, this is all academic, because its the merits of the article subject that counts. Escape Orbit (Talk) 09:21, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Your comment there indicates you were looking for sources for Virus the thrash metal group (see your Coke Finlay search) and not Virus the anarcho-punk group. Is it possible that the prior iteration of this article was about a different group with the same name? fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 18:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with this. I noticed in the 2016 AfD that you voted to keep. I assume your nomination for deletion now is due to nothing having been done to improve the article via adding references, for the past 9 years? 11WB (talk) 16:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: The primary editor per Xtools appears to share a name with a band member listed in the article, this would suggest a potential WP:COI. This being said however, I am aware that per AfD rules, this COI would not qualify as a reason for deletion on its own. Along with this, AfDs have us comment on the content and not the creator. With this in mind, I believe this article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBAND, due to a complete lack of any references. This article was also deleted previously per this AfD from 2016. 11WB (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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"due to a complete lack of any references"
– Notability is based on what sources exist anywhere, not just what sources exist in the article. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)- Thank you, I should have specified that also. Based on the previous AfD from 2016, there are no references outside of passing mentions to my knowledge that merit a stand alone article. 11WB (talk) 17:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- The only one I could find that provides some analysis is (UK) this one. Any others I found are either discographies and press releases. 11WB (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- On further inspection, it appears the article I linked is for a different band? If so, please disregard that reply. 11WB (talk) 17:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes that's a different band. Its a tricky name to search, I tried different combinations of virus, dorset, punk and band members' names. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 18:56, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I appreciate the clarification. This one is for a punk rock band, whereas the one I linked above seems to be for a thrash metal band, but both are British. Confusing indeed! (I am interested as to whether the Virus I linked is notable enough for its own article. 11WB (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes that's a different band. Its a tricky name to search, I tried different combinations of virus, dorset, punk and band members' names. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 18:56, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- On further inspection, it appears the article I linked is for a different band? If so, please disregard that reply. 11WB (talk) 17:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- The only one I could find that provides some analysis is (UK) this one. Any others I found are either discographies and press releases. 11WB (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, I should have specified that also. Based on the previous AfD from 2016, there are no references outside of passing mentions to my knowledge that merit a stand alone article. 11WB (talk) 17:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Was unable to find significant coverage, does not appear to meet WP:GNG nor any of the twelve possible criteria for WP:BAND, and due to the current unsourced state of the article it is unsuitable to be merged. The most substantial mention I found was in Day the Country Died: A History of Anarcho Punk 1980–1984, ISBN 9781604869880, but even that characterizes the band as having
"never really broke out of their local scene"
and the majority of the coverage is an interview with member Jaz Wiseman. A great source for an existing article, but insufficient to establish notability on its own. Please ping me if other sources are found. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Anand Narayan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for biographies. The only sources currently cited are TV network promotional material and directory-style (NETTV4U), which are not independent, reliable secondary sources. No significant, in-depth, independent coverage found. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 04:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. After conducting a BEFORE search, sufficient significant coverage about the topic is not found. So, fails to show SIGCOV and also fails to meet NSINGER. Fade258 (talk) 16:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Alex Bailey (musician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SINGER. Let's see the sources, [1]—seems reliable enough [2]—primary [3]—IMDb [4]—just a Google search [5]—another IMDb [6],[7],[8]—all seem reliable enough (though I'm not doing a full check to see whether they are truly reliable) Per WP:SINGER, I can't seem to find where this musician meets points 2, 3, and 9, I haven't checked further, but this article potentially fails other points too. Doing a WP:BEFORE, I only found vast swaths of social media posts and primary sources, with finding only one source which talks a bit about how he ended his music career. I found nothing else in my search. The article content is littered with unsourced and short sections that are basically fancruft. So violating WP:BLP too. I think this subject isn't notable enough for wikipedia after doing all the checking. Yelps ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ critique me 16:16, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete I've had a look at the sources too (and pulled some from the archives). Can't verify [1] due to paywall. [3]/[4]/[5] have been covered above and are not reliable sources. [6] and [7] are reliable but only passing/trivial mentions so can not contribute to demonstrating notability. [8] is authored by someone connected to the subject and can't demonstrate notability. Looking at available sources online, the only ones I can find are all passing mentions and ones listed by the nominator. No other indication of notability therefore I don't think that WP:BAND or WP:BLP are met at all. sksatsuma 17:35, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Arash (composer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article lacks WP:Notability (general, music or otherwise) and independent sources. All music has been self-published, except one which appears to have been released through a label that according to discogs.com has five releases in total. It reads like a fan article if one is being generous. Millbart (talk) 10:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Philippe Decker (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Nomination: Query whether Decker really warrants his own article. Suggest wikidata page should be sufficient. MmeMaigret (talk) 07:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
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- I don't think it's an WP:RS but this page has a number of references which might be tracked down.[41] This is probably one of those situations where the passage of time means we need books and online searches will be limited (there's an entry in New Grove for him, but that's just one). Oblivy (talk) 11:56, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Oblivy: I'm currently on vacation, so my time for research is somewhat limited, but I did do a cursory Google Book search which turned up Grove - but is that an entry for him, or is he merely mentioned in the article on Luxembourg?
- Regardless, I think there's enough out there to build at least a small article, but as I say, my research time is limited at the moment, and will be until early next week. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, you're right that Grove only mentions him as a graduate of the Larochette school and "one of [Luxembourg's] best composers". Oblivy (talk) 06:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
‘’’Keep’’’ seems notable to me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.77.96 (talk) 05:39, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Delete. No sources, No sigvcov, nothing on google scholar or google books.Molikog (talk) 05:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)WP:SOCKSTRIKE Owen× ☎ 12:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- F A Sumon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:GNG. Sources are all unbylined churnalism, unreliable, or mentions. CNMall41 (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep – F A Sumon is a widely recognized Bangladeshi singer with multiple viral tracks and label releases. While the article still needs formatting and additional citations, his notability is evident: his music is released under major labels (G-Series, CD Choice), has over 83M+ YouTube views (e.g., "Ghum Parani Bondhu"), and has been featured on national TV and covered by major Bangladeshi media. These factors strongly support notability under WP:MUSICBIO. I'm open to improvements, but deletion is premature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaddamHosenSaad (talk • contribs)
- Please do not use AI to generate comments on Wikipedia. You state it has been significantly improved and "no longer warrants deletion" but there has been no improvement since the deletion discussion began. As far as the high-quality sourcing, can you provide links to the specific sourcing you feel shows notability? --CNMall41 (talk) 23:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Also, please strike through your comments as opposed to amending them. It will throw people off as my question was specific to your original comment, not your amended one. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Keep The references are not great (very short, almost advertorial) and the Youtube views don't convince me (how many are bot driven), at least the references are about the artist. I would say give this article a few months, look on the Bengali Wikipedia or ask some experts to clean it up and if no improvement is made, another AFD might be needed. There is a possibility that this article can improve, but in order to meet notability requirements, we have to see that the improvement can happen. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting !keep as an WP:ATD? If you can show WP:HEY, I would be glad to withdraw my nomination but a WP:BEFORE tells me that no amount of editing can show notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think there would need to be three to five references of a much less dubious standard for me to believe that the notability threshold is clearly met. Right now, things are kind of murky. If that can't be done in a few months, my opinion would change to a delete. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting !keep as an WP:ATD? If you can show WP:HEY, I would be glad to withdraw my nomination but a WP:BEFORE tells me that no amount of editing can show notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep The references seem legitimate, although I am no expert at Bangladeshi music. I don't want to exhibit a Western bias, either. - Poof positive (talk) 04:20, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I considered nominating this when I was doing some basic cleanup on it (if you think it is bad now, you should have seen it before). I didn't bring it to AFD because albums Dorodiya,[42] Rongila Re,[43] Tor Lagi Re,[44] and Iti Tomar Priyo[45] were released on G-Series (record label). So the topic meets WP:MUSICIAN criterion #5. Most of the other things the author mentions (long career, number of albums/credits, YouTube subscribers, Facebook followers, pages on Spotify, Apple Music, etc.) have no bearing whatsoever on notability as Wikipedia defines it. --Worldbruce (talk) 07:09, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Reliable coverage by The Times of India, The Daily Star, and The Times of India demonstrate the subject's notability. Z3r0h3r000 (talk) 11:24, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Source Assessment - I went through all listed sources. None would be qualify with the exception of possibly one which is a review of one of his YouTube videos. Note that most of his music is released on social media according to one of the soruces. As far as releasing albums under a major record label, WP:NMUSICIAN does not grant inherent notability. It says "may" be notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:47, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: I just don't see enough sourcing, the table above pretty much shows we only have one good source. I don't find anything extra we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- G.I. Orange (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No significant coverage per WP:MUSIC. SL93 (talk) 21:57, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete Page is entirely sourced to Discogs, social media, blogs, Japanese WP, and one archived site that has no content except the name of one band member and his business phone number. I can't imagine much more can be found; if it is, I might reconsider. But for now pretty obvious fail of WP:NBAND and WP:GNG. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:20, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep I've done a bit of tidying up and verification. Note that multiple sources asset the self-titled 1985 album was a number one in Japan, along with the single Psychic Magic which charted also in Japan (rank unknown). These are secondary souces as there is no freely available primary source for Japanese record charts in 1985. This seems to me to satisfy criterion 2 for WP:BAND Naturenet | Talk 14:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. Awful sourcing as citations in the article are either primary or dead. Plus there's no way in hell their album "sold 10 million copies" (I've removed that nonsensical statement from the article) while having zero press coverage. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 06:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
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- They did have a single chart on Oricon: [46]. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Shadmehr Aghili (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable. Google search also shows nothing in news or other reliable sources. Edard Socceryg (talk) 15:45, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete or Draftify - a good segment of the article seems uncited and I could not find more citations as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvinnen (talk • contribs) 21:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Weak delete: Found a few Persian sources [47][48][49][50][51], but not convinced they're WP:SIGCOV. GoldRomean (talk) 21:13, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - if you're searching for sources, his Persian name (شادمهر عقیلی) will yield better results than the English. GoldRomean (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – If this article is deleted, then the article about one of his albums Tarafdaar should be AFD-nominated as well since it was previously PRODded but then de-PRODded. George Ho (talk) 21:30, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
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Hannon does not appear to be notable outside of his involvement with the band Tesla. The article had been a redirect to Tesla (band) but has recently been edited by an apparent COI editor. All sourcing is primary (Hannon's or Tesla's own websites), Wikipedia pages (in English and Spanish) and interviews. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Frank Hannon has released over 6 solo albums in his career and is currently active outside of Tesla. Most recently he has an interview in the July 2025 edition of Vintage Guitar Magazine about his solo career. Vintage Guitar magazine July 2025 I agree that the wiki article needs better independent citation but should not be deleted or redirected. Guitarcritic (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- Restore redirect to Tesla (band). Agreed that this article isn't notable and sources are mainly primary. Galaxybeing (talk) 05:51, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - Not only is Frank Hannon one of the constant members of Tesla, but the fact that he has also released albums as a solo artist makes him notable outside of the band. UndergroundMan3000 (talk) 15:23, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment @UndergroundMan3000: Only if the solo albums he's released have become notable in themselves. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - The article absolutely needs to be cleaned up, with too many autobiographical sources, but that is a different issue than his notability. His solo career outside of Tesla has received sufficient coverage to merit a separate article here, but it should be boiled down to basic facts. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:50, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment - Sources already used in current footnotes #10 and #12 are sufficient for his general solo career, while [52], [53], [54], [55] mention various albums/songs and should be enough to support a stub article. But as I already said above, a lot of junk must be removed from the article as well. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion that is about his solo career so that a seperate article about him is justified in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Seems to have enough notability outside of Tesla FMSky (talk) 08:47, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- List of Bemani musicians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Don't believe this topic is sustainable enough to warrant its own article, let alone seeing any sources to support the subject. GamerPro64 04:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
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- *Keep - notability guidelines don’t apply to lists. This is a list. Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:39, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete The idea that "notability guidelines don't apply to lists" is false, WP:NLIST exists. This list does not warrant its own page, and can be explained in Bemani easily. But given that there is a dearth of sources, I wouldn't even say merging is appropriate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Doesn't seem to pass WP:NLIST where a description of notability recommendations can be found for lists. This doesn't seem to be discussed as a group in RS from what I found, and while some navigational purpose could be found, the list is entirely unreferenced and unverifiable, so the navigation could all be WP:OR, or even made up, for all we know. I don't think redirecting is appropriate as there is no list at the proposed target, and we shouldn't merge anything there without any verifiable sourcing to support it. -2pou (talk) 20:29, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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I had a look for sources, but can't find anything substantial about this band to improve an article. The original version of this looks WP:G11ish, but it's been copyedited since then. More recently, editors have been reverting over an WP:A7 tag. If in doubt, come here to discuss, so that's what I'm doing. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:41, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment the subject meets WP:MUSICBIO with a top 40 hit in a national chart. I've added a WP:GOODCHARTS citation to the article, therefore it is no longer unsourced. ResonantDistortion 20:36, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Even if the article does end up being kept, it needs a substantial rewrite. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:09, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
Keep. I've rewritten this with added sources, including 2 extended articles. The rock mag coverage that they received back in the day has been patchily republished online in collected archives (and was probably all in Swedish); I believe I found enough to demonstrate that the band meets GNG, plus ResonantDistortion found a top 40 placement in a national chart (for their least discussed record!), so that adds a second criterion for keeping the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:02, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. ResonantDistortion 07:35, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - per rewrite which included better sourcing. The new ones gives more depth to the notability. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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fails to meet WP:NBAND LR.127 (talk) 03:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Satisfies WP:BAND criteria #2 ("has had a single or album on any country's national music chart") and #6 ("is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians"). This is the band that Prince first recorded with as a teenager. When their recordings were first commercially released a few years later after Prince came to stardom, their one song co-written by Prince reached the Billboard R&B singles chart (see pp. 28 and 30). Since Colonel Abrams and André Cymone were also members, the group satisfies the criterion of having two or more independently notable musicians. As a second choice, if the decision is not to keep, redirect to Prince (musician)#1975–1984: Beginnings and breakthrough. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Draftify. We can wait until it meets WP:NBAND, then move it back. Starfall2015 let's talk profile 08:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to all the attention it gets in biographies of Mr Nelson their Minneapolis Genius album got reviewed and discussed. Hall, Ken (27 April 1986), "Putting together the puzzle of Prince", St. Petersburg Times - Bream, Jon (14 February 1986), "Prince, Cymone 'ghost' exploited", Star Tribune - Goldstein, Patrick (16 February 1986), "Dredging up the purple Prince's past", The Los Angeles Times - Weiser, Nick (1 March 1986), "Dredging up the purple Prince's beginnings", The Journal Herald. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:13, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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This article fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. The sources are mostly shallow entertainment blogs, interviews, and promo-style coverage; nothing that qualifies as significant, independent reporting. There’s no major chart success, no major awards, and no in-depth analysis from reliable media. m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 13:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. I'm seeing low quality sources that are obviously paid publicity. For instance, the two Vanguard sources have no named author. Same with PM News and BellaNaija. The nomination for an award at the Headies is only for the expectant category of "Next Rated" which is a prediction of which up-and-coming act might become the big thing in global hip-hop. Combined with the long history of promotional edits in the article, I don't think this article serves the Wikipedia reader. Binksternet (talk) 18:30, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep as he does have an AllMusic staff written bio here which is unusual for Nigerian artists, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: AllMusic and RhythmOne are not considered as generally reliable sources, see here: [56] m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 22:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- It's listed as reliable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources here apart from the genres sidebar, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- AllMusic prose reviews signed by a music critic are reliable. That means we have one solid source. Binksternet (talk) 21:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: AllMusic and RhythmOne are not considered as generally reliable sources, see here: [56] m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 22:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. The subject passes criterion 8 and 10 of MUSICBIO. He has received two nominations at The Headies, Nigeria's biggest music awards. He was also a major contributor to the notable compilation album, The Indestructible Choc Boi Nation. He gets regular coverage from Nigerian press as evident from Google news. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 00:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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- weak keep: The award nominations satisfy musical notability. We don't have lots of sourcing, but enough to show the person exists; it's in RS, so it's fine. Oaktree b (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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This article appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. The sources cited are mostly low-tier entertainment blogs, interviews, and routine coverage that don’t provide in-depth, independent analysis needed to establish lasting notability. There’s no evidence of significant chart success, major awards, or critical acclaim from reliable outlets. As it stands, the article reads more like a press kit than an encyclopedia entry. It's probably WP:TOOSOON. m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 12:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: "Papilo" chart entry on Nigeria's TurnTable Charts.--Afí-afeti (talk) 19:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Nothing close to WP:NMUSICIAN. And for emphasis, "Papilo" on TurnTable chart doesn't inherently make this subject notable. The guideline emphasised "may be notable" and if that's the only significant thing (clearly), then no, he isn't. This is also a clear case of "did not really chart". Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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Non-notable musician. Fails Wp:GNG and Wp:NMUSIC. No SIGCOV is available, just passing mentions and routine PR articles for the releases. There are two award nominations as well but both of them are non-notable and just nominations. Also, the article's creator was blocked as a sock and UPE. Zuck28 (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep This biography is far better-sourced than most of the other Articles for deletion, and I am opposed to a Western bias of deletion of non-Western topics. - Poof positive (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- This is an invalid argument. See Wp:WHATABOUT, WP:TDLI,and Wp:POV. Zuck28 (talk) 06:04, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Notability is demonstrated under WP:MUSIC. Subject has produced and composed for widely recognized artists and songs (e.g., "Sakhiyaan", "Sorry", "Saara India") released under independent labels. His production work has received broad exposure and coverage, confirming his significance in the Punjabi music scene. Cinelatina (talk) 20:37, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- None of the points you mentioned makes him pass Wp:NMUSIC. Zuck28 (talk) 11:14, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. The article relies heavily on primary and niche fan sources. There is very little significant coverage from reliable, independent sources that give any in-depth discussions of the band. They have never been signed to a major record label, their music has never seen any chart success, and there is no clear historical significance of the band, therefore they do not meet the standard of substantial, independent coverage required to establish notability. Magatta (talk) 05:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - the Hebrew Wikipedia article, סולסטיס קויל, cites two Ynet articles.[57][58] --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 05:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment. This is a valid review in Israel's most sold newspaper. Not niche at all. I wonder if there are more. gidonb (talk) 03:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG, no WP:SIGCOV. All the sources currently on the page that aren't to, like, youtube videos are very short and barely talk about him. From google there's a Forbes WP:INTERVIEW but that's all I found. I like the guy's music but he doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements for an article TheLoyalOrder (talk) 07:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: I am familiar with DB from Epic Rap Battles of History. From an inspection of the references, there appear to be many from YouTube and X, which are not reliable and violate WP:RS/PS. I am uncertain how to vote for now, so I will wait for others to give their opinions before settling on a vote. 11WB (talk) 21:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Found a feature from Huck (magazine). IgelRM (talk) 12:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - aside from the aforementioned Forbes article and piece in Huck Magazine I've found a short piece in Vice and an interview in Tubefilter, additionally it's a dead link but existing references in the article to Metro and a short piece from Computerandvideogames, all of which are notable outlets with their own articles. Aside from those, coverage of his work in TheNextWeb, an interview in Gizorama and an article from 2012 in VentureBeat. As much as a few of these aren't amazing sources (some veer into failing WP:INTERVIEW) I think there's enough here to suggest notability. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 12:26, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- forbes and huck -> interviews
- vice -> 3 paragraphs hardly in-depth coverage
- tubefilter is also an interview
- the metro article has half a paragraph on him
- computerandvideogames -> two very short paragraphs
- thenextweb is mainly about the video not dan bull, like 2 paragraphs mention him and only as the creator of this video basically
- gizorama maybe you meant to link to something else he's not mentioned?
- venturebeat is again not really about dan but a video he made
- The only significant coverage is from interviews which aren't secondary or independent of the subject TheLoyalOrder (talk) 21:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- While 2-3 paragraphs may not be in-depth coverage on their own, I wouldn't call them insignificant. It is a start, and if he's significant enough to be interviewed on several separate occasions, then it stands to reason that there may be more out there. Here are some other potential sources I found excluding several smaller mentions I skipped over which included an NYT article and an Indian business magazine:
- https://aestheticamagazine.com/youtube-killed-the-video-star/
- https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/login?auth=production&url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bwh&AN=8OGE.7E66604B.0D14FB4B&site=eds-live&scope=site
- https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/login?auth=production&url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bth&AN=59691139&site=eds-live&scope=site
- Also, surprisingly enough, he might meet WP:NMG, but I'd love to here from someone more familiar with those guidelines.
- - Ike Lek (talk) 06:23, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, not sure how I've managed to link the wrong Gizorama article; meant to link this - again an interview, but as Ike Lek says, it's a start. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 10:52, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- While 2-3 paragraphs may not be in-depth coverage on their own, I wouldn't call them insignificant. It is a start, and if he's significant enough to be interviewed on several separate occasions, then it stands to reason that there may be more out there. Here are some other potential sources I found excluding several smaller mentions I skipped over which included an NYT article and an Indian business magazine:
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- That merge or redirect would likely be confusing, as he was only a guest in that series to the best of my knowledge. Ike Lek (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Right, perhaps just a redirect although even that might be confusing. IgelRM (talk) 14:39, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- That merge or redirect would likely be confusing, as he was only a guest in that series to the best of my knowledge. Ike Lek (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect to Epic Rap Battles of History; Aesthetica source looks fine, others don't appear to add much. IgelRM (talk) 16:10, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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Still unsourced after 7 years. Dicklyon (talk) 05:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Doesn't qualify for WP:MUSIC as the only readily available sources discussing this band are from the band. RandFreeman (talk) 08:21, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Very Weak Keep: A small search yielded at least one source not from the band confirming their signing with Sony Music Entertainment Finland. I'm imagining that, an in depth search would probably give more results that aren't directly sourced by the subjects, given the recent albums, and signing and releases with a major music producer, there will probably be increased notability in the coming months, and likely more sources. I would say give it a few months and revisit this to see if there are any changes. If it's been there for seven years, an additional six months doesn't seem like a big deal for me. Foxtrot620 (talk) 18:01, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
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- The Lithuanian Wikipedia article has seven references. Have those been considered and examined? Left guide (talk) 18:40, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. I added text and references from the corresponding Lithuanian and Italian articles. I think they clearly establish notability. For a band in a non-English-speaking country, WP:BEFORE includes looking at the Wikipedia in the band's language. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:42, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved since nomination including the addition of many new references such as from 15 min which confirm hit records and seven national awards M.A.M.A. awards, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, based on the improvements made via the expansion from the Lithuanian and Italian versions of the article. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN, At first glance it looks like a news site, it is not formulated as an article. Lobogamio (talk) 23:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC) struck confirmed blocked sockpuppet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment @Lobogamio did you create an account just to tag this? @Liz: this seems odd? Thief-River-Faller (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --pro-anti-air (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails GNG and NMUSICIAN. The mere act of releasing an album is not a guarantee of notability, and I see nothing otherwise that would do so. As written, the article fails all 12 of the NMUSICIAN criteria. As far as GNG, of the three sources that are there, the first is a blogspot link, which fails RS. The second source only established year of birth and where he went to school, neither of which establish notability. The third source appears to be some sort of celebrity digital media site, and whether it's reliable is probably up for debate. The fact that this article is getting filled with sources that aren't establishing anything other than basic data, and was started by an editor who otherwise does nothing but make large numbers of small formatting edits (like removing middle initials from wikilinks), and has a number of edits that are causing the user to get talkpage notices tells me there's a potential WP:CIR issue here. 146.115.58.160 (talk) 17:58, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- While I don't doubt the primary claims about sourcing, I don't think your claims about the editor who created are necessarily accurate or relveant.
- For example the claim about "otherwise does nothing but make large numbers of small formatting edits" seems not only an unnecessary attack, as AfD should be considering primarily the article. But it also appears inaccurate, as they are informed (on their talk page) that an article they have created is "in the news", which means I am unsure as to why you have decided this may be a WP:CIR issue (as the comments on their talk page suggest some level of comptency in creating articles). Emily.Owl ( she/her • talk) 18:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you want to get pedantic, the "in the news" was for an article the user updated (not created), and that update consisted solely of changing the infobox template used (for some unknown reason) and adding a reference to a Fox News article for date of death, which was subsequently removed by another editor. The user neither created nor substantially contributed to that article, and the rest of the talk page is full of warnings about infobox editing, contentious topics editing, lack of RS, etc. I would also note the user generally has no edits over 200 bytes in length (most of which are mobile edits), and when the user created Assistant Secretary of Defense for Cyber Policy, the actual listbox in the article says "space policy" (which I fixed). So I would say that yes, it's relevant because the user has problems with basic editing and proofing. 146.115.58.160 (talk) 19:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Uh? I created the article, I have over 1,200 page creations to my name, are you getting me mixed up with one of the other editors? I have never made random edits like the ones you are claiming? ....also I did not create Assistant Secretary of Defense for Cyber Policy Thief-River-Faller (talk) 22:31, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you want to get pedantic, the "in the news" was for an article the user updated (not created), and that update consisted solely of changing the infobox template used (for some unknown reason) and adding a reference to a Fox News article for date of death, which was subsequently removed by another editor. The user neither created nor substantially contributed to that article, and the rest of the talk page is full of warnings about infobox editing, contentious topics editing, lack of RS, etc. I would also note the user generally has no edits over 200 bytes in length (most of which are mobile edits), and when the user created Assistant Secretary of Defense for Cyber Policy, the actual listbox in the article says "space policy" (which I fixed). So I would say that yes, it's relevant because the user has problems with basic editing and proofing. 146.115.58.160 (talk) 19:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify, I have been able to find some sources with English translations (of dubious quality but at least the gist can be understood) that provide some sort of analysis of his work (such as this one), although not being particularly involved in music specific articles and policy I am unsure if this would simply count as routine coverage or might impart at least some notability. The same news agency discusses what was intended to be his attendance to a festival and collaboration with other artists here, although this one I'm far doubtful of meaningfully contributing. As such, having excluded use of obituaries, I think that someone more dedicated (and who can read Indonesian) may be able to find further sourcing for notability, and thus draftification such that more work can be done may be suitable although I can also understand the reasons for deletion and hold no fundemental opposition to it.. Emily.Owl ( she/her • talk) 18:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Based on the new information added by @Thedisponible. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 23:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- The article as it currently stands is considerably different to when this was tagged, User:Thedisponible has improved the article. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 15:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: to assess changes later in the AfD
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- Delete: per nom, the subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Many of the sources cited are WP:PRIMARY and the ones that seem halfway decent (such as CNN Indonesia and the IDN Times) are WP:ROUTINE. There's not enough WP:SIGCOV to warrant an article in my opinion.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as there are now enough reliable sources showing significant coverage referenced in the article to enable a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 16:59, 2 July 2025 (UTC) - Delete: I agree with DesiMoore, The subject fails to meet both WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN and many of the sources cited are WP:PRIMARY. Based on my research, he only gained recognition after his death. Prior to that, there were no articles that would establish notability. Fikri Nurfadillah Rahma (talk) 05:08, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The AfD nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet of a blocked user. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:11, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist to assess the sources added since nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 12:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Significant coverage in reliable secondary sources at CNN here, IDN Times here, another news source here, and coverage of his first album before he died here. Enough for WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. After reviewing all the sources, it's clear they do not support notability under either WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. The WP:SIGCOV of the subject is in unreliable sources (non-bylined articles in sources considered dodgy per WP:RSN), and what coverage the subject has had in reliable sources is not WP:SIGCOV. YouTube YouTube is not a reliable source 200.46.55.124 (talk) 01:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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