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[edit]- 2024 Derdghaya Melkite Church airstrike (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTNEWS. Following WP:PAGEDECIDE, every airstrike in a broader war doesn't need its own page. This material is covered on Wikipedia on the 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, to where this page should redirect. Longhornsg (talk) 01:34, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Military, Christianity, Israel, and Lebanon. Longhornsg (talk) 01:34, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Notable event that received international coverage and reactions, similar to Church of Saint Porphyrius airstrike and Killing of Nahida and Samar Anton. There is a difference between redirecting singular airstrikes and whitewashing the bombing of an entire religious structure with civilians inside. (Which was already attacked 3 times previously per the article) Red Phoenician (talk) 02:11, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Please stick to policy, which this Afd is based on. WP:ITSIMPORTANT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Longhornsg (talk) 02:18, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- You are right about WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, as for WP:ITSIMPORTANT if you want me to be more specific, as partly stated before:
- 1. The article is about the destruction of a cultural and religious building which involved multiple civilian deaths.
- 2. It received international coverage from various news outlets with articles dedicated solely to covering the event.
- 3. It received statements from non-domestic leaders, Pope Francis and Cardinal Pizzaballa.
- 4. It recieved post event coverage.
- I fail to see how the article is insignificant enough to be relegated to a redirect. Red Phoenician (talk) 02:55, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to a flurry of international press at the time of the event, there was much coverage of the church during the Christmas and Easter seasons following. There's also coverage in this journal article. Some other sources not used included Giannopoulos, Bill (October 12, 2024). "Israeli Airstrike Targets Melkite Greek Catholic Church". Greek City Times. and Frayer, Lauren (December 23, 2024). "What the Israel-Hezbollah war did to Lebanon's cultural heritage sites". NPR. This article refers to the church as heritage site. This wasn't just any building, but a historic 19th century church. I would support a move to an article on the church itself if someone cares to locate sources and go that direction. The bombing(s) could be covered in a larger article on the church itself. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:56, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- So let's create Derdghaya Melkite Church and place the info there. Longhornsg (talk) 23:08, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable and relevant, also the reasons outlined by Red Phoenician and 4meter4. JJNito197 (talk) 23:41, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
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delete. We dont even have an article for this church. We need a WP:ISRAELDIDATHING essay comparable to WP:TRUMPCRUFT. ←Metallurgist (talk) 23:47, 29 October 2025 (UTC)- Not to mention Derdghaya barely has anything on it, even in Arabic. ←Metallurgist (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- This just falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Red Phoenician (talk) 15:42, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- No, it demonstrates that the place isnt notable to begin, so an attack there isnt particularly notable. This is another element of PIACRUFT. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose I should add that I am not opposed to merging to Derdghaya. May actually switch to redirect on that basis. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Support redirect to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon per below. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:42, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose I should add that I am not opposed to merging to Derdghaya. May actually switch to redirect on that basis. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- No, it demonstrates that the place isnt notable to begin, so an attack there isnt particularly notable. This is another element of PIACRUFT. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources including international sources and secondary sources, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep because it is a notable event that deserved its on page. Qhairun (talk) 05:34, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- "deserves a page". WP:JN. Longhornsg (talk) 23:09, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon per WP:SUSTAINED, and anything needed can be merged there. No need for a separate page on this per WP:PAGEDECIDE, as there's not much here and essentially no prospect for further expansion, given that no new RS coverage is happening. Jclemens (talk) 06:35, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge or redirect: to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Some information could be merged, but a redirect would also be fine. Just another battle in a long war, no lasting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:31, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- The war only lasted one month so I am not sure how it was "long". Lasting notability was already shown above with articles discussing the topic post-event and a journal article (provided by 4meter4) covering it which was published just 5 months ago. Red Phoenician (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Proposed deletions
[edit]- April 2023 Israel rocket attacks (via WP:PROD on 12 September 2003)