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The result was delete‎. I see a consensus to Delete this article. Also, echoing some participants, it seems very self-promotional as it is unlikely that a solitary editor could be considered the "founder" of an entire Wikimedia project. Liz Read! Talk! 21:59, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tulsi Bhagat

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Non-notable person, we've been through this discussion numerous times elsewhere. Tulsi is not a notable person as an "activist" nor a Wikipedian, and this article conveniently leaves out their block and ban on this very project, for paid editing, among other things, which was only reversed 4 months ago. There are not generally "founders" of individual projects on Wikimedia - and all of the sources are either unreliable or nonsense. COOLIDICAE🕶 21:38, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, some several Nepali-language reliable sources are translated into English for headlines as mentioned on Wikipedia:
Absolutiva (talk) 21:56, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You mean all of the clearly copy-pasted press-release equivalent sources? Sure. COOLIDICAE🕶 21:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, just reliable news sources. So I decided to rewrite text so that it signifies the subject is notable and remains to exist on Wikipedia as a standalone article. Absolutiva (talk) 22:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. COOLIDICAE🕶 22:18, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I rewrite the text per request. (edit conflict) I added notable details in the article. Absolutiva (talk) 22:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MicroSIP

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This article has never been referenced, is completely promotional, the software isn't notable, and now the page is being used to link farm to malware. 107.115.5.36 (talk) 23:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Eddie891 Talk Work 06:26, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miles Routledge

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If not WP:BLP1E, then WP:BLP1E-adjacent. Was in the news once because he went to Kabul in August of 2021, and again because he went back to Afghanistan in 2023 and got arrested.

He is listed as an author but the only source I can find on the internet about him writing a book mentions it in passing. Having 171,000 subscribers on YouTube is probably not enough to meet notability requirements on its own.

I don't think this meets WP:N. —tonyst (talk) 01:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article is definitely not a WP:BLP1E, since as you say, there are at least two notable events -- two being a different and larger number than one, and explicitly not the focus of this policy. There is not a "WP:BLP2E" policy. Without even doing a WP:BEFORE search, in the currently-existing article there are a variety of sources that satisfy WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV:
Looking him up on a web search, I see that he was also in the news last year, apparently for going on some sort of bigoted tirade on Twitter (see [9], [10], [11]). While I do not think acting like a racist knob on the Internet is noble or worthy of celebration, the man would seem to clearly meet our notability guidelines. jp×g🗯️ 01:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E. Gamaliel (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. I appreciate that it is galling that a self-aggrandising twit like this can make himself notable just by being a nuisance but if he has done so then we have to accept that it is valid to have an article about him. He seems to be over the line for notability even if not by much. A greater concern is what we are not saying about him. His book is published by a neo-Nazi publisher but there is nothing about his links to the far-right in the article. Maybe this can help? That links him to Andrew Tate and covers his praise for the Taliban. There are also plausibly RS sources talking about his idiotic "jokes" about nuking India here, here and possibly also here although that last one seems to be region blocked for me. Finally, I don't think that we should be giving his full name as "Miles Arthur Le-Vesconte Routledge" when the source is clearly sceptical of that (and might not even be RS) saying "Miles (who also calls himself Miles Arthur Le-vesconte Routledge)". --DanielRigal (talk) 19:12, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: WP:BLP1E, not once but twice. Self aggrandising publicity seekers do not have notability. Notoriety s not the same thing at all. Fails WP:BIO / WP:GNG 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 23:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Timtrent: Two times one is not one. jp×g🗯️ 22:52, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @JPxG yet it was basically the same thing, repeated. In this case that doesn't make two either. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 10:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The policy emphatically says the opposite of this. jp×g🗯️ 17:13, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The article is a legitimate biography encapsulating different aspects of life, including a businessman, an explorer, and an imprisonment. I don't see the urgency to delete the article, I feel the request is bias. Cltjames (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the research provided by jpxg. Meets GNG. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the sources identified by JPxG and DanielRigal. Also, he was mentioned in Forbes (29 Mar 2024) and Express Tribune (29 Mar 2024) articles, so taking all of that together, I think he's a well-documented public figure who meets the notability standards. 95m95 (talk) 02:27, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Chief Executive Officer of the Wikimedia Foundation

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Fails WP:GNG; Google search doesn't find any reliable in-depth secondary sources; only source on the article is primary loserhead (talk) 14:43, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Organizations. loserhead (talk) 14:43, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Added sources Guylaen (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I know that anyone can nominate, but because you don't have a user page, and this content has to do with the Wikimedia Foundation, I'm slightly suspicious of your intentions here in nominating this article for deletion. I do not mean to be accusatory in my nature here, I'm just a little confused. This is a highly notable position, and it's super easy to find information on Google. Also, I realize my mistake in not adding a Wikipedia:Stub tag before. I've added that now to the page. I usually remember to do that. Guylaen (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Guylaen
    you don't have a user page A userpage is optional, and that shouldn't make me (or anyone) suspicious or anything like that; see Trappist the monk and they are an administrator.
    this content has to do with the Wikimedia Foundation Just the fact that something has to do with the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't make it important or notable, AFAIK.
    This is a highly notable position, and it's super easy to find information on Google. Current or former people holding this title may be notable, but I haven't seen any INDEPTH sources on the title itself.
    Also please note that I don't know everything there is to know about Wikipedia and its policies so if I made a mistake please inform me. loserhead (talk) 15:38, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, in either case, I've now listed more sources on this page than there are on List of leaders of Ford Motor Company. Guylaen (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I would highly encourage you to please read bullet "C-2" at WP:BEFORE: "If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article."
    I literally only made the page six days ago. That's less than a week. I was going to properly build out this page a little more, but I got completely sidetracked by Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2025. I just kind of fell down a Ukraine rabbit hole. I have the same problem that most other writers here have: so little time, and so many articles.
    Also, I literally have a final due tonight, and I have to go meet Leon Panetta again at noon. I would be looking forward to it, but I think I have a hernia and I've probably got GERD and I feel like crap. Anyways.
    The problem in searching for a term like "CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation" is that in that most cases, the position itself is not the primary subject of a news story, but the person who holds the position, or the person who is doing something while they hold that position. So, yes, of course you're going to find mostly articles about the people. And by the rules, that's actually fine.
    However, there are sources - you just have to muddle yourself through the internet to find them. Guylaen (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not because the sources don't exist, but in this case it is the Parallax effect: the individual CEO's loom far larger than the position of CEO. Guylaen (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep - other than the Forbes puff piece, and the NY Post attack article, I don't see anything unreliable. Bearian (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename The easy compromise is to rename it 'List of CEOs....' as in fact it is and should be in case of affiliated person positions (out of humbleness, to say the least). 78.81.123.235 (talk) 10:32, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge to Wikimedia Foundation#Staff. Coverage of the various CEOs does not necessitate that the position of Wikimedia CEO have its own spinoff article from the main Wikimedia article - that is governed by WP:NOPAGE and WP:CFORK. Even if this subject was notable, that does not mean it needs its own article - in this case, the current article is short enough that it could be merged into the staff section. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 04:56, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The article has substantial issues, but the topic itself doesn't seem to lack notability. Multiple independent sources have covered the CEO of the Wikimedia foundation. MrTaxes (talk) 23:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 Talk Work 11:38, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CouponBirds

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References do not pass WP:SIRS, so this does not pass WP:NCORP or WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. "businessing" looks like a vanity 'interview' site which advertised paid placement and guest/sponsored posting. 'dailymail' is a depreciated source and the other remaining media sources are simply noting survey results and other content marketing from the company. A large amount of SEO/PR and other paid placement was removed from the article before it was moved to articlespace by the declared paid creator. I was not able to find any reliable sources specific to the company in a search. Sam Kuru (talk) 17:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Sources used are not substantial (App Store, Microsoft Edge Addons, Chrome Web Store, LSU Financial Aid, "Favorite Chrome extensions"), are not more than trivial mentions (The Guardian, CBS News), are not independent of the company (Businessing Magazine), or are published by unreliable or questionable sources (International Scholarships Search, Mail Online, Newsweek). I did some searching but did not find much - this company's reports are cited often, but only by articles that list the "top 50 CostCo snacks", etc. Not in-depth coverage. -- Reconrabbit 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - WP:PROMO, promotional article. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:20, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to Sonic the Hedgehog 2#Reception. I'm not sure that this is the best Merge target article but it was the only one identified by participants. Liz Read! Talk! 01:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stobotnik

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I was made aware of this article when I was notified it linked to an article of mine. I find it to be non-notable, with only The Mary Sue article and the ComingSoon.net interview as sources for establishing notability (probably for the former, as it doesn't dive into fan works much). The Washington Post article doesn't provide WP:SIGNIFICANT coverage in my view. The Anthem Magazine interview does cover the relationship between the characters in the stories, but not the fan ship, and the Toronto Star article barely covers the relationship itself, as does the the IGN article. The Kotaku article cannot be used at all due to Kotaku articles written since 2023 having been declared unreliable. The rest of the sources are WP:VALNET sources, which cannot be used to establish notability. Google News searches for "stobotnik", "stone x robotnik", and "robotnik x stone" only brought up some of the prior sources, Valnet sources, and an interview that doesn't cover the fan ship (from reading the automatically-generated transcript). ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 17:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Thanks to the nominator for spelling out the results of her WP:BEFORE search. That often does not happen in a deletion nomination but is very helpful. Daranios (talk) 15:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge Significant coverage can indicate an cultural trend is presumably notable, but when the trend itself is not defined by the term used, is so shallow and inextricably tied to a broader property, then no coverage really justifies an article. On merging - why not? It's not like there's much here to merge anyway. It should be easy to import a single sentence - Fan reactions to the evolving relationship between Agent Stone and Dr. Robotnik were favorable, prompting the creation of shipping and fanfiction that was acknowledged by Majdoub and Carrey. I wouldn't suggest this really merits any more than that. Otherwise, delete. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 11:57, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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StreetComplete

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Promotional content, no indication of notability. This used to be a redirect which may be a better idea thetechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IMO it would be better to improve the article instead of deleting it, StreetComplete is not the same as OSM. I'm not super familiar with Wikipedia but IMO notability seems to be fulfilled with several different sources covering the topic.
Also, could you please be more specific on what parts are "promotional" and how they could be re phrased.
Thanks and best regards --Fkjs (talk) 07:52, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: One sentence mentioned in https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/02/google_blocks_android_foss_donations/, many project descriptions at https://nlnet.nl/project/; NLNet seems to be considered a reliable secondary source, see LabPlot precedent. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: The article has good source coverage and advertising issues are fixed by now Fkjs (talk) 07:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Ilyas El Maliki

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Previously deleted article via WP:AFD in March and nothing has changed since then. The nomination statement in the first AFD and comments therein remain valid. Mekomo (talk) 08:07, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Contesting Deletion
This article substantially improves upon the previously deleted version by adding verifiable, independent sources demonstrating Ilyas El Maliki’s notability per WP:GNG:
  1. Global Digital Influence: Ranked by Dexerto as the 12th-largest Kick streamer worldwide and Africa’s #1.
  2. International Sports Role: Official chairman of Morocco’s national team at the Kings World Cup 2024, (Video of the game on Kings League's channel), with repeat invitation for 2025 alongside stars like Lamine Yamal.
Addressing Systemic Bias
While I respect Wikipedia’s deletion processes, I must note the recurring difficulty in establishing notability for clearly significant figures from Morocco and the broader MENA region. Despite providing verifiable, independent sources (including industry rankings and international tournament participation), articles like this face disproportionate scrutiny compared to Western counterparts with similar or lesser achievements.
I urge editors to consider whether this reflects unconscious bias rather than policy compliance. Improve articles, not deleting them, should always be the first option. ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 19:30, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or speedy delete per previous AfD, little change. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:16, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Contesting Deletion
the original article of the subject got deleted because claimed "No real sign of notability", I list a number of sources proving that the subject is indeed notable:
- International Tournament Participation: Kings League World Cup 2025.
- Top 15 Streamers Worldwide: ranked at 12.
- Massive coverage by Moroccan press both in English (more), and Arabic.
if all these still don't make the subject notable, then sure go ahead and delete. ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 10:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update:
just to add one more thing (a fact and a message):
The first 3 months of 2023, the subject of this article was the most streamed gamer on YouTube, surpassing IShowSpeed, all this achieved through a dialect (Darija) spoken by about 40 million people, not a major language (English spoken by over 2 billion people). But somehow he is not notable!
It's really demotivating to continue contributing to Wikipedia against all these (unconscious) biases. This is not an accusation, it's studied and proved, "Reliability of Wikipedia". We come here with good intention to contribute, but seems like not on English Wikipedia, unfortunately. El Maliki is literally the biggest streamer in all of Africa according to all reliable sources included (like Dexerto).
respectfully, ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (still new here, I just learnt that this is the right term)!
so, since these discussions are NOT VOTES, then it should be that if 1 editor is able to present sufficient RSs on the subject, it won't matter how many spam "speedy delete"
Allow me to list an organized number of RSs testifying to the notability of the subject of this article:
  1. The most watched streaming gamer of the first quarter of 2023 (surpassing IShowSpeed), Dexerto & SVG.
  2. The 6th highest peak viewed stream on Kick's history (Surpassing Adin Ross, he literally had a stream with President Trump while running for office, still got surpassed by a guy speaking a dialect of 40 million people), Dexerto.
  3. 12th biggest streamer worldwide, Dexerto.
  4. His Ultra was the first team selected for the 2025 Kings World Cup Club, the official and sole chairman of the Kingdom of Morocco on a world-class international competition, Kings League Pro.
  5. His life largely covered by multiple RS in different languages: UAE's Al Mashhad, Morocco's most popular press outlets and most RSs: MWN, L'Opinion, Hespress, Le360, and much more.
It's not that difficult to look up stuff on Google. Best ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment Several of the above sources were highlighted in the previous deletion discussion and practically all of it was deemed not suitable enough to establish notability beyond mere shallow coverage of his criminal record. See WP:SIGCOV. λ NegativeMP1 16:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Just because the previous deletion discussion was disappointing doesn't mean this one has to be too!
    Let's discuss the above sources and why they don't establish the subject's notability. (Btw, non of the sources above cover his criminal record but rather his achievements as a streamer and his role as a chairman of Morocco in the Kings World Cup). Rap no Davinci (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    At the end, Ideophagous provided a 2023 article from Al-Quds Al-Arabi on a Quran related controversy. But we cannot base an article entirely on controversy. IgelRM (talk) 16:01, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply there is a reason why we're having a second discussion!
    the source from Al-Quds Al-Arabi you mentioned is not listed in the sources above nor it's included in the current article, so it really has nothing to do with our discussion here.
    The sources above are L'Opinion, Hespress, Al-Mashhad, Morocco World News, and Kings Leagues official website, all covering his role as a chairman of Morocco + Dexerto writing about his achievements as the biggest streamer in Africa.
    All these sources together (plus more) is enough to establish the subject's notability as an online streamer and media personality. Rap no Davinci (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the article cites several sources considered reliable in Morocco and the Arab world. Most of them focus on his streaming career rather than past legal issues. WikiEdWoq (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Speedy delete per G4 and salt. Questionable sigcov and this was settled in favor of delete only to be recreated. Go D. Usopp (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply G4: "It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, and pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies."
    The current page is not substantially identical to the deleted version (as determined by an admin, see reason of his decline of CSD ) and about 50% of the sources listed weren't used/discussed before! Rap no Davinci (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. asilvering (talk) 03:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Andrew Poole

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Doesn’t seem to meet WP:SIGCOV. One of the sources is a press release, another is some random Flash presentation (which I have no idea if it is reliable or not), another is a 2 sentence mention in an article about a movie, and the HarperCollins profile seems to be a primary source that does not establish notability. (I’m pretty sure every author under that publishing company has a profile on there, and the author gets to write the blurb that goes on it.) Tried looking for other sources but the only other ones I could find were primary. ApexParagon (talk) 20:24, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Amazing job finding those sources. I added them to the page and removed the GNG tag. He might still need some BLP sources for life facts idk. Moritoriko (talk) 05:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The nominator withdrew their nomination and closed this discussion but that shouldn't have happened as we have an editor making a Deletion argument. This needs to be officially closed. Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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TruVista Communications

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No reliable sources, fails WP:GNG ProtobowlAddict talk! 02:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you have the sources that meet WP:ORGCRIT (regardless of what name it was at the time), then it would meet NCORP. Makes sense that it had numerous name changes since there really isn't anything out there under the current name. I would be happy to change my vote if you can provide the links. I do not have access to ProQuest unfortunately though. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • @CNMall41, you should be able to access all three ProQuest links via The Wikipedia Library. Anyhow, the first one is a passing mention if I've ever seen one. The second link is the company's About Us page, which is interesting but not reliable or independent sigcov. The third is a piece in a trade publication; I'm not certain if it is fully independent or counts as sigcov, but I'll say it's good enough. The fourth is a short, routine report of this company being purchased by another one. So, being very generous, we have one, maybe 1.5 sources that count towards NCORP. Toadspike [Talk] 21:00, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep. Searching Newspapers.com, it seems that, as one might expect, they have lots of local news coverage: [16][17][18][19] There's plenty more; this search [20] has over 1,500 results, some of which are ads, press releases, and legal notices, but some of which are real coverage. @Protobowladdict and @CNMall41, do you have thoughts on these sources? Toadspike [Talk] 21:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. Is there a source that ties the name change? I'd even be willing to do the WP:HEY if there is. The other questions is whether this should be a past tense since TruVista now operates independently according to the sourcing from A.B. I do not think TruVista would be independently notable since it is no longer the same company. But, correct me if I am wrong. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Holafly

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This appears to be a basic summary of a non-notable commercial operation - no assertion of notability is made, and the service it provides is routine / non-innovative. A mention in a list of eSIM operators would seem sufficient. SeoR (talk) 00:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Except the article is about the company so WP:PRODUCT doesn't apply. That said - if the article was changed to focus on the eSim service, those reviews would count towards establishing notability. HighKing++ 21:25, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I can only find product reviews for the eSIMs. Sure it technically qualifies under WP:PRODUCT, but I could not find a single source that describes anything about the company or history of the product, so there isn't really any way to make an sourced article that is not an WP:PROMO. Jumpytoo Talk 08:14, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to List of Internet challenges#Crime. The policy-based consensus is that the topic is not currently notable for a stand alone article. Preserving a redirect will allow for easy recreation if the event does prove to have lasting coverage. Eddie891 Talk Work 08:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chromebook challenge

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WP:NOTNEWS Launchballer 09:58, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I just want to cite WP:FAME real quick.
But notability is not temporary. What this means is that once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage, but brief coverage that ceases quickly may not render a subject notable.
Now, this depends on what you define as "brief coverage", but I personally think of it as 3-7 days. I could find coverage of this trend from 3 weeks ago, which is way more than most memes last until they die nowadays. Articles on the subject are still being made, and 2 people have arrested because of it, so it's more unlikely to die out by this time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's an article that abides by Wikipedia rules. Thegoofhere (talk) 00:28, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, the challenge has caused a major safety scare across the country, [24] with 3 people confirmed to be hospitalized due to concerns of smoke inhalation. [25]. You can go to the responses section and see all of the recorded incidents we have. Thegoofhere (talk) 03:30, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Users cite WP:NEVENT even though it literally only strengthens the case for this article's existence. Ironic how people cite the policy here but never say the Chromebook Challenge isn't historically significant. Y'all are literally treating this trend like its just a fad and totally didn't cause evacuations, lectures, panics, hospitalizations, and articles from notable news sources. Thegoofhere (talk) 03:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Also, I want everyone, including any closing mods, to remember WP:ATD exists. Deletion or keeping the article is not the only option, as later replies have shown. Also, Brexit

Thegoofhere (talk) 22:45, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lanch, I'm pretty sure you're supposed to give a reason in your nomination. Ameright?
Also, comitting arson for Tiktok views would still probably be a talking point (but more minor) in 7 months. Thegoofhere (talk) 11:40, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And it still is, as of now. Thegoofhere (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: No evidence this flash in the pan social media fad passes WP:NEVENT; we would need to see WP:SUSTAINED coverage. And WP:NOTNEWS, while not effusive, is a valid deletion rationale since WP:NOT is the second part of the two-part WP:GNG test. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:25, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Disagree buddy: There is evidence that it passes WP:NEVENT. I quote it for ya.
    "Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact"
    It has national impact, many American schools have put out messages stating that students must stop doing the trend. Sources from the article show that incidents of the trend have recorded in 15 US states. Plus, a student was charged for arson whilst participating in the challenge. [26][27] You hear that? A charge of ARSON.
    It's a trend that promoted crime, has garnered attention from firefighters and schools, covered in various news sources, is popular even after a week, destroyed property, and led to an arrest.
    Yeeessss, very unotable.ಠ_ಠ Thegoofhere (talk) 00:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
just keep it on bro 166.109.26.101 (talk) 14:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
istg there are undocumented terrorists out there and your worried about some stupid article of a true challenge 166.109.26.101 (talk) 14:06, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And the sky is blue. That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whataboutism 165.140.214.242 (talk) 14:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Still nothing to do with the discussion, there is no point keeping this article on a very likely short-lived fad. Oaktree b (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anon wasn't talking to you, nor disagreeing with you. Thegoofhere (talk) 19:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, let's keep the discussion on track. Oaktree b (talk) 12:02, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

couple months then it can be deleted and i doubt it will "die down" after getting covered by the biggest reliable source of wikipedia,The New York Times and based on the page views and Google Search Trend which shows over 100 searches and the related searches are "TikTok Challenge" and for the page views and its getting 28 views per a day because its getting AfD'ed, one of the biggest TikTok challenges blowing up right now and people are confused and don't know what it is because its getting AfD'ed. Momentoftrue (talk) 14:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. Also, its still getting coverage. Most memes die within like, 2 days. To even pass 1 week proves its a noteworthy subject, even if it's not as popular after a couple of days. Thegoofhere (talk) 01:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, it's been long enough for most independent articles about the challenge to be secondary Thegoofhere (talk) 22:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Byel

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Was tagged as a G5 but I was unable to convince myself that G5 applies. I'll let the prior declined speedies and PRODs in the history speak for themselves:

WP:PROMOTION created by a cross-wiki spam. Their draft was declined, and yet they created the article. They also created this article in several other (mostly small) WPs.


YouTube content creator with limited visibility! A paid promotion linked to an entry on Wikipedia in another language, also created by the same user, raises doubts about the nature of this content, possibly suggesting it's an advertisement. I believe that the page dedicated to a Brazilian actor and YouTuber does not meet notability standards due to a lack of appropriate sources. Of the 7 cited sources, IMDb is generally considered unreliable, and the mentioned films on the page are not widely recognized, making the article questionable in terms of relevance..

See also . * Pppery * it has begun... 23:57, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already deleted as Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Biel_TVZ and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Biel_TVZ_(2nd_nomination). Augustresende (talk) 13:17, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - cross-wiki spam. Subject appears notable looking at the Brazilian press links but in one of the few cases where I advocate “Ignore all rules”, we should delete this and block the user if not already blocked. Also, the specific IMDb and YouTube links should be blacklisted, preferably on Meta since this is a cross-wiki problem. There’s a potential for collateral damage from getting the Regex wrong so the blacklisting should be done by a blacklist-savvy admin. I’ll note that spamming small wikis is a particular problem since they have limited defenses. (I’m a former Meta admin with previous spam cleanup experience - that’s why I have an edit history on 180+ WMF projects). The article should be salted, too. —A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 14:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 20:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Anime with Alvin episodes

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List of Basics with Babish episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Two episode lists for YouTube cooking shows, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NWEB. We don't even have articles about the series, just one about the overall YouTube channel that they're distributed on -- and each of these is referenced to a single news article each to verify that the shows exist, while otherwise referencing the actual content of the lists (i.e. the episode titles, airdates and YouTube view counts) to their own primary source presences on YouTube or the host's own self-published website rather than reliable third-party sourcing.
So if the shows could be properly verified as having enough reliable source coverage to earn their own standalone articles as separate topics from the overall channel, then we could include the episode lists in the show articles -- but we don't need standalone episode lists if the shows don't even have articles at all, and we'd need to see a lot more than just one reliable source each to justify articles about the shows. Bearcat (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Instead of trying to delete it, help contribute to the article. Thats the point of Wikipedia. Bluehawkking (talk) 19:07, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Social media measurement. Liz Read! Talk! 22:33, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Views (social media)

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I don’t think this topic/concept requires an individual page to elaborate. Potential WP:OR as well. ~ BlueTurtles | talk 10:05, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Content views, their analysis, and related metrics, markets, meaning, and/or social or capital value are all subjects of measurable and enduring effect in today’s society. The article is nascent, but research of its topic will be published in sociology, media and economics journals. James Bateaux (talk) 12:16, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We write articles about topics that are already published in sources, not topics that “will be published”. See WP:CRYSTAL ApexParagon (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Social media measurement for now. Could have its own article in the future once it’s more widely covered in sources ApexParagon (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Social media measurement (previously, Weak Keep) - The current article is very poor, but this is a topic that has certainly generated a lot of academic and industry chatter over the years. I'm not totally sure it makes sense to have a separate article for this topic, and I don't think Social media measurement is a great redirect target. Trivially, academics have investigated views as a metric of interest, especially as a proxy for popularity.[1] Zhou et al. 2010 has 500+ citations, and I see a bunch of references via Google Scholar that discuss YouTube or other social media views directly. I have no citations, but I've seen and read other work discussing and using views as a metric in work on other social media platforms. Another context I'm familiar with that explicitly studies and discusses views is in relevance feedback for recommender systems. Views are discussed independent of social media specifically,[2] but also as one metric among many used in the development of recommender systems.[3] I would be absolutely astonished if minimal searching in STS, comms, and media studies journals doesn't uncover theorizing about views as an aspect of social media popularity, relevance, marketing, etc. Suriname0 (talk) 17:23, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here's another example of how social media research talks about views: Participants in our study frequently referred to interaction metrics like time viewing a video before they swiped or watching the same video repeatedly as key information that companies collect on them. .... According to Google’s Privacy Policy, they collect information about views and interactions with ads, for example, whether the user mouses over the ad or interacts with other parts of the web page. One hypothesis for why youth are attuned to captivation metrics is because of the surge in popular apps that are built for rapid feedback and meta-awareness of behavior. For example, the microinteractions in TikTok. Users swipe in TikTok to make a decision about whether the video attracts them, with the default of view time being a positive signal. Furthermore, features like Apple’s ScreenTime make users’ time spent on apps salient.[4] I note that views is not really the primary topic here, and in general I think this content would be more appropriate on a page focused on broader conceptions of engagement with social media. For that reason, I've tweaked my vote to a redirect. Suriname0 (talk) 17:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Zhou, Renjie; Khemmarat, Samamon; Gao, Lixin (2010-11-01). "The impact of YouTube recommendation system on video views". Proceedings of the 10th ACM SIGCOMM conference on Internet measurement. IMC '10. New York, NY, USA: Association for Computing Machinery: 404–410. doi:10.1145/1879141.1879193. ISBN 978-1-4503-0483-2.
  2. ^ Ding, Jingtao; Yu, Guanghui; He, Xiangnan; Quan, Yuhan; Li, Yong; Chua, Tat-Seng; Jin, Depeng; Yu, Jiajie (2018). "Improving Implicit Recommender Systems with View Data". International Joint Conference on Artificial Intelligence: 3343–3349.
  3. ^ Jannach, Dietmar; Lerche, Lukas; Zanker, Markus (2018), Brusilovsky, Peter; He, Daqing (eds.), "Recommending Based on Implicit Feedback", Social Information Access: Systems and Technologies, Cham: Springer International Publishing, pp. 510–569, doi:10.1007/978-3-319-90092-6_14, ISBN 978-3-319-90092-6, retrieved 2025-05-20
  4. ^ Goray, Cami; Schoenebeck, Sarita (2022-11-11). "Youths' Perceptions of Data Collection in Online Advertising and Social Media". Proc. ACM Hum.-Comput. Interact. 6 (CSCW2): 475:1–475:27. doi:10.1145/3555576.
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The result was no consensus‎. But it looks like there's consensus for "this article shouldn't exist at this title", so the next step may be WP:RM. asilvering (talk) 06:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RTP payload formats

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This is nothing more than a list of citations to Requests for Comments. This is inappropriate since Wikipedia is not a directory or a catalog * Pppery * it has begun... 00:39, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with User:Pppery that this article is sort of a list, but disagree that this is inappropriate. The table that constitues the bulk of the article gives context and explanation, refuting the argument on directories and catalogs. Instead, it describes a notable subject: the fact that there exist plethora of RTP payloads. It serves as a stepping stone for further investigation and research for those with further interest.
I also disagree with User:MarioGom that a redirect should suffice and with User:Wcquidditch that the existence is sufficiently described in the main article. The referenced section only briefly summarises the large number of different formats.— DandoriD (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My only comment here (until now) has purely been deletion sorting; I have (and had) no opinion on the article. It is Anonrfjwhuikdzz that says that material at the main article — which I will note is Real-time Transport Protocol — is sufficient. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:43, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would be find with a redirect instead of deletion. I'm not convinced and exhaustive list is appropriate for wikipedia as we're not supposed to be a directory/catalog --- that's a job for the RFC series. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 23:00, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The RFC Editor only lists all RFCs and makes them available. It is not a function of the RFC Editor to present overviews per subject of any kind. The overview presented in RTP payload formats, compiled by many editors, stands on its own and has become a de facto source on the subject. This is reflected in the number of visitors of the page. Deletion would be a disservice to the public, IMHO; a rename better reflects the nature of the article.— DandoriD (talk) 07:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment MarioGom and Ramos1990 have suggested redirecting which I assume means they don't believe we should have a stand-alone article/list on this topic. Without providing a reason for this preference, I assume/hope whoever closes this discussion will not give these opinions much weight. ~Kvng (talk) 22:39, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Explained more on my reasoning. Ramos1990 (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm not convinced this article is not acting as a directory for RFC articles/RTP payloads. Yes there is some discussion of these formats as a group which would qualify this for NLIST, but the arguments in favor of deletion/redirection have centered around what WP:ISNOT.
Outside of the opening summary there is not much providing context for the protocols. I don't understand the reasoning from @Dandorid that the table provides context or explanation to these protocols. These are just very basic summaries of the protocol specifications from my reading, but where is the context about development and uses that makes these entries something more than WP:NOTPLOT? Similar summary information seems to be available through IANA, so why not just link to their website in the main RTP protocol article for people with further interest? The only parts of the table that provided additional context were certain descriptions detailing changes in payload type/the reasons for reserved blocks but those specific instances could easily be added to the prose at Real-time Transport Protocol#Profiles and payload formats.
This illustrates my point. Similar summary information seems to be available through IANA would be great to have, but I doubt it actually exists, Ramos1990. I believe this article summarises the wealth of options, in a way that a picture tells more than a thousand words. If you would summarise this page somewhere in a section of Real-time transport protocol you would need more than a thousand words to do the summary right.— DandoriD (talk) 07:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • So Keep or Rename. There is a dynamic that some fail to see here: Wikipedia is a primary source of information to many people. A sort of low information entropy: a concentration, a density, brought together by people that felt a certain need to do so. Destroying a page like this increases information entropy, which leaves you with a greater burden of finding the information (which undoubtedly exists in many places) yourself, and you only get it in bits and pieces. Most likely, somebody will recreate this page somewhere in the future, for the same reasons User:Sergeymasushko had when creating RTP payload formats. — DandoriD (talk) 07:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This is an utterly meaningless argument - by this logic one should never delete anything. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:02, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, that is the main idea of WP:Inclusionism on Wikipedia, and I support inclusionism. After all, WP:Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, and we already have Britannica, which is generally more reliable than Wikipedia (see WP:CW), and only chooses the most notable topics. I think the advantage of Wikipedia is that it covers more niche topics compared to a traditional encyclopedia such as Britannica, which is why I'm an inclusionist. I usually read Britannica to get a broad overview of more popular topics, and I use Wikipedia for more niche topics like computing (this article) and railways. Félix An (talk) 09:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If none of my arguments make any sense whatsoever (I guess that is what you mean by utterly meaningless) then, by your logic, you should delete all articles and do away with Wikipedia altogether. — DandoriD (talk) 07:00, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@Sandstein: What's the justification for relisting this a second time? We're rehashing standard inclusionist/deletionist arguments and I'm sure you're aware we won't reach consensus on that here and continuing to discuss it does not foster goodwill between editors. There are no delete votes and it is pretty clear to me that the article meets WP:NLIST. The proposed merge or redirect suggestions can be worked on outside AfD. ~Kvng (talk) 23:26, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason is that we don't yet have consensus among the editors who are advancing policy-based arguments. The closer would need to discount the last two "keep" opinions. This means there is still no agreement as to keep or redirect. Sandstein 06:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Félix An and Dandorid: can you offer us a policy-based reason why we should not delete this article? ~Kvng (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dandorid Will you also please strike one of your bolded votes? I am seeing a keep and two bolded renames from you. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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