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CGMagazine

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Fails WP:NWEB. I'm not seeing other significant coverage apart from the news story about the site moving towns: [1]. Mika1h (talk) 16:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Lack of sigcov in itself. Go D. Usopp (talk) 11:04, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Baccielo

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Baccielo played a single season of third division soccer before retiring, and his YouTube channel seems more notable than his playing career, but still not worthy of an article. Orange County was a third division team in 2016. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:NSPORT. The YouTube channel was far from noteworthy anyway. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Hasn't played since 2016. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:07, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abandonia

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Lacks WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. The PC World Philippines article is a solid example of SIGCOV, but I could otherwise only find trivial mentions. And yes, I did use Wayback Machine to check all of the digital and scanned magazine articles that were hosted on Abandonia and mentioned in the previous AfD - they are almost entirely trivial in nature. The previous AfD was otherwise WP:VOTE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect and Merge to abandonware, though will need significant trimming to like a paragraph at most. Masem (t) 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. There is virtually no independent coverage of Abandonia. Merging with Abandonware and trimming would also be totally acceptable to me, as Masem suggested. MrTaxes (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In addition to the source noted by ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ in their nomination, "Halcyon and on and on: an exploratory study of online collections of computer games" (2023) in Digital Transformation and Society discusses Abandonia in a non-trivial way. /Julle (talk) 23:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would debate that. Its usage seems fairly trivial, one of many similar sites used as a comparison in the study. There is no indication it was singled out as important or that it got a very long and indepth examination. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Fisherman: A Codfish Tale

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Unfortunately a fairly simple failure of WP:GNG. Most cited sources are the game's itch.io/indieDB page or passing mentions from articles really about another title developed by the creator. There isn't any evidence of secondary reception provided in the sourcing. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 00:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Loading Studios was also created. Redirect to Loading Studios if that passes notability, delete otherwise. ~ A412 ^talk! 18:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it does from my examination of it, so my opinion is still unchanged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of J.League licensed video games

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Same as List of K League licensed video games, trivial article about a football league being licensed in video games. GamerPro64 04:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails NLIST with no significant coverage of the subject articles as a group. Frank Anchor 15:28, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Perfect valid navigational list. Enough of the entries have their own articles, to make this a valid list article. Dream Focus 23:29, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Cheever

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about a video game designer, and added one reference. This is a passing mention, and I have not been able to find other RS which would demonstrate notability. The existing two references do not mention Cheever. The article has been tagged with notability concerns since 2016. I don't think it meets WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. No obvious redirect target. Tacyarg (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Various passing mentions in Gnews, mostly about the Six Days game, but those aren't about this individual. Sourcing now in the article is about of the same quality. Not enough to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is some coverage about those games, but not this person. Ratnahastin (talk) 16:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of K League licensed video games

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Absolute trivial article about a football team being licensed in video games. And its mostly FIFA. GamerPro64 04:35, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No substantial non-FIFA releases and also doesn't meet WP:NLIST. MimirIsSmart (talk) 08:30, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NLIST, btw GamerPro64 I don't know if you want to adjust your wording on your nomination from football team to football league. Regards, Govvy (talk) 09:08, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:35, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Looks like WP:TRIVIA, and a mirror article of List of J.League licensed video games. Svartner (talk) 17:48, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yeah that'll need an afd of its own. GamerPro64 21:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Already have FIFA World Cup video games and FIFA (video game series) listing these games and linking to their articles. Perhaps news articles written in Korean cover these games and their players that are in them. I don't see any evidence of that yet presented though. These games have leagues from different nations, not just South Korea. Dream Focus 23:55, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pixelberry Studios

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Fails WP:NCORP with only announcements regarding the studio and a general lack of substantive/significant coverage. Notability is also not inherited from their games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - announcements only of a studio do not establish notability, nor are their games. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 19:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Go D. Usopp (talk) 08:25, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to High School Story per WP:ATD.

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Redirect to High School Story per WP:ATD. --Mika1h (talk) 15:46, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grow a Garden

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Non-notable. The PCGamesN article is the only usable source for establishing notability. (The Kotaku article does not count for the site's articles since 2023 are considered unreliable.) Edit: If you're going to say this game is notable because of its popularity, then I'd like to remind you that popularity doesn't equal notability. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 00:41, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/Redirect to List of Roblox games. I will point out that that reading of Kotaku is not exactly correct, Kotaku needs to be used carefully, and I think that one is reasonably ok, given the writer who I've not found to be a poor, SEO-seeking content writer. Also, Aftermath is currently being discussed given the history of its staff. But given all this, we have reliable sources to confirm it exists and is popular, but not enough for a standalone, and the list is perfectly geared towards that. Masem (t) 00:54, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As a Roblox user, i will say that half of Grow a Garden's player base are bots who will hack the game, make loads of the in game currency, and sell the Roblox account on eBay for money. 73.227.75.102 (talk) 01:06, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Merge and Draftify~~ as article creator. I already thought the sourcing was in shaky grounds when I first wrote the article, but my personal research into the ownership of this game showed me that there are unresolvable NPOV problems with the article subject based on current sourcing. Controversial articles need strong sources, not marginal ones. However, there is good chance that stronger sources emerge, so I recommend draftification. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Now there are significant coverage in Bloomberg, IGN, and Pocketgamer, as I predicted Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Roblox games per Masem. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 01:22, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, lets make it redirect to the list of Roblox games article. 73.227.75.102 (talk) 14:22, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to List of Roblox games and draftify per Ca. More sources could show up sometimes soon. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 01:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the above evidence/arguments, draftify at AFC. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Draftify Looked a bit, found an article in a publication called "Roonby" that doesn't have much credentials. Other than that, also can't find anything. Nice to have articles on niche games when possible, but it seems unlikely other reputable publications have written articles on it. See below Mrfoogles (talk) 03:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i say we keep because we have some sources that are pretty reliable and credible Freesucrose (talk) 22:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep or draftify. can do a bit of cleanup but overall, there are three reliable sources that has significant coverage (those being FN 4-6). adopt me technically has five but it should be good enough. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 07:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Merge and Draftify Maybe if this game gets more coverage by different news sources, we can reinstate this article. Roblox games have very little representation in Wikipedia right now. Let's just wait to see if this game gets more coverage. We should also attempt to get more Roblox games on Wikipedia. Toketaa^talk 12:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to Keep. See Vanilla Wizard's reasoning. Toketaa^talk 18:25, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Game has minimal coverage by few reliable sources, and is not a notable piece of media. Stickymatch 06:29, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Stickymatch Why can't the game be redirected to the list of Roblox games? Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 15:16, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Usually entries in list of Roblox games have to meet the notability criteria (that precedent has been set by multiple entries being deleted because they didn't meet the notability criteria). I don't think this topic qualifies for that list. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 12:44, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@WormEater13 I am pretty sure the people who wrote merge/redirect just meant draftify/merge. It would be silly to redirect to a page that has no information about Grow a Garden. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:45, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Roblox games, no DRAFTIFY needed at this time. IgelRM (talk) 22:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article doesn't meet the notability criteria, giving reason to delete and disqualifing it from being able to stay on the list of Roblox games. Brachy0008 I would like your opinion on this since you are one of the most active people on the list. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 01:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is your opinion on above proposals for draftification and merge? Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:41, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the topic becoming notable is unlikely. I also think people treating the Roblox list like a pokemon list is damaging to it. The list has a long history of people wanting to add non-notable topics and setting the precedent of adding a non-noteble topic will make Wikipedia:NOTDB problems in the future. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 10:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't say I agree it's unlikely the topic will ever be notable. It's no small feat for a new game to surpass all of Fortnite in concurrent player count (or many of the most-popular titles on Steam) seemingly overnight. That's the sort of thing that attracts the media coverage that makes it into a notable subject. We should only be prejudiced against letting drafts exist for obviously non-notable subjects, e.g. autobios or purely promotional pages. This is a plausible future article. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:04, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Draftify. I have just added Grow a Garden to List of Roblox games. Despite the records this game has set, there are not yet enough sources for it to stand as its own article. I feel it is WP:TOOSOON for mainspace at the moment. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 17:31, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Merge and Draftify~~ for now. Any existing high-quality sources can be used to cover the topic at List of Roblox games while a possible future standalone article is incubated in draftspace until enough reliable, secondary sources are available to demonstrate notability. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:04, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Switching to Keep as first preference, see my comment below for full rationale. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:02, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PrincessPandaWiki, Masem, Kaito-san, Tarlby, Slgrandson, Mrfoogles, Toketaa, Stickymatch, Mikeycdiamond, IgelRM, Vanilla Wizard, and KnowledgeIsPower9281: Numerous new sources have been published since the start of this AfD and I have expanded the article with those sources. I'm requesting re-evaluation of the article. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:59, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It certainly looks better! KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 15:03, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Taking a look at the sources added in these edits: Pocket Gamer & PC Gamer are reliable sources per WP:VG/S, Game Rant is situational but probably okay here per WP:VALNET, Kotaku is probably fine here per Masem, I'm guessing Romonitor Stats hasn't been evaluated before but I'd say that one is a source that may be usable for verifiability but not notability. Still, that's at least a couple good sources and a couple alright sources, in addition to the rest of the sources already in the article.

Since notability is determined not by what sources are in the page, but rather what sources are out there, I decided to look for some myself. Push Square is reliable and they've covered it [2]. Dexerto has published multiple articles about it, but that's a situational source. East Bay Times hasn't been evaluated at WP:RS/P but they too have covered it [3]. There's also an article about it in Rock Paper Shotgun which is considered reliable, but it wouldn't be a useful source since it's just tips and game codes [4]. Same goes for Eurogamer - reliable, but just tips and tricks [5]. I haven't seen Investor's Business Daily evaluated at RS/P, but they're attributing Roblox's rising stock prices at least in part to Grow a Garden's popularity [6].

Overall, I'd say we probably have enough to justify keeping the page for now. It's already a fairly decent start-tier page with potential for further improvements and expansions. I'm still not prejudiced against a merge-&-draftify outcome, though. It's still entirely possible to cover the most important pieces of information at List of Roblox games and incubate the existing version as a draft until even more sources come out, but I don't think that's really necessary or helpful. List of Roblox games is already over 100K bytes, and this topic likely already passes the WP:GNG bar.

Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:00, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per evaluation and sources by @Vanilla Wizard and a lookover of the new article. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

K-ID (company)

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Fails WP:NCORP. Sources consist of funding reports and product launch announcements. ~ A412 ^talk! 20:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I have removed the broken links as well the content to meet WP:NCORP.~~--Kinda89b (talk) 11:15, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Found a feature on Donovan from law.com. IgelRM (talk) 20:54, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Little sigcov with not much notability in content other than its existence, services and funding. Go D. Usopp (talk) 08:31, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Smoking Gun Interactive

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Disputed PROD. Appears to fail WP:NCORP. Sources mostly relate to Age of Empires: Castle Siege, so I suggest redirect or merge there. IgelRM (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Not mostly. Only three (2, 3, and 4) out of the six sources in article Smoking Gun Interactive relate to Age of Empires: Castle Siege. And the nominator is actually proposing a merger, not a deletion. This should go through the Wikipedia:Merging process, not the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion process. --Neo-Jay (talk) 03:12, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Clear WP:NCORP fail. Wikipedia is not a directory of every non-notable company. A merge would not make sense, as they also created Solitaire and have multiple potential targets. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tales of Commons

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This was a redirect, blown up to article size--but the supplied links are basically all company sources and manuals, and I cannot find any secondary sources either. A redirect to Tales of Mobile is the proper solution. Drmies (talk) 19:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see now that the editor has done the same with Tales of Breaker, with the same problems. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As said earlier, I do not see the need for deletion when the alternative, Tales of Mobile, is empty and mostly bland, offering no informations whatsoever. I followed closely the formats of other Tales games, adding references, links and everything. A lot of game pages (especially for old i-mode games like this) could realistically fit into a main page, Xenosaga Pied Piper could be deleted and just be a passing mention on the main Xenosaga article, BCFFVII could be deleted and just have its content in the "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII" article. Both of those coexist with one another and with no problems with the dedicated page adding on to what is missing on the other ones. As for links, I do not see the problem when pages like Tales of the World: Summoner's Lineage which has no external link except a simple blog, no references, no nothing and yet this page is still allowed to exist despite being less well put together than Tales of Commons which properly source everything and uses different websites rather than just sticking to the same. Leptitgay (talk) 19:38, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You'll want to explain how it meets our notability standards, not how its like or unalike other random articles. Sergecross73 msg me 19:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I'm gonna have to compare it for this reply. Unlike other random articles, it and the other 4 mobile articles were covered by well-known respect and Japanese tech and gaming media like ITmedia, dengeki or Gaming Tech alongside official sources from the parent company. That's already 3 reliable sources. I am sorry but I will once again compare it to Tales Summoner Lineage which has nothing supporting it having its own page.
  
  https://dengekionline.com/data/news/2005/9/27/b147d1f6198573a00f8c38c4f6b18ca8.html
  
  https://www.itmedia.co.jp/mobile/spv/0509/27/news100.html
  
  https://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20051122/toc.htm
  
  I have read the notability rules and this should be enough. I am of course open to other possibilities to improve the articles Leptitgay (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Fine sources, but basic announcements without critical reception is still generally below the criteria. The redirect still appears most suitable, none of the other games in this Tales of series seem to have articles either. Of course, you may WP:AFD Tales of the World: Summoner's Lineage. IgelRM (talk) 15:31, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You need to discuss how this article meets our standards, and it seems to me, from your words, that the more likely way to achieve success is to improve the main article. Stop talking about other articles. Drmies (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added some references from the corresponding Japanese article. Bandai Namco has changed its web domain. I couldn't find Tales of Commons on the https://www.bandainamcoent.com/ Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect Right now, highly lacking in WP:SIGCOV. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:27, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. It was more suitable as a redirect given its lower sigcov. MimirIsSmart (talk) 02:28, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - sourcing is very short and weak, not enough to support a stand-alone article (as evidenced by the fact that probably over half of the article remains unsourced with little improvements in the last week or two.) The whole reason the the Tales of Mobile article exists is to serve as a landing point for all of these minor titles. None of these spinouts from it should have been created, as they all share the same sourcing issues and half-baked implementation. Note to closer: IgelRM's redirect !vote was placed higher up in the discussion, but was added after one of the relist, so there is a consensus developing post-relists. Sergecross73 msg me 13:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ilyas El Maliki

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Previously deleted article via WP:AFD in March and nothing has changed since then. The nomination statement in the first AFD and comments therein remain valid. Mekomo (talk) 08:07, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete G4. Mccapra (talk) 11:05, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per G4 and the previous deletion nomination. Also salt to prevent future recreations until he actually becomes notable. λ NegativeMP1 13:45, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Contesting Deletion

This article substantially improves upon the previously deleted version by adding verifiable, independent sources demonstrating Ilyas El Maliki’s notability per WP:GNG:

Global Digital Influence: Ranked by Dexerto as the 12th-largest Kick streamer worldwide and Africa’s #1.
International Sports Role: Official chairman of Morocco’s national team at the Kings World Cup 2024, (Video of the game on Kings League's channel), with repeat invitation for 2025 alongside stars like Lamine Yamal.

Addressing Systemic Bias

While I respect Wikipedia’s deletion processes, I must note the recurring difficulty in establishing notability for clearly significant figures from Morocco and the broader MENA region. Despite providing verifiable, independent sources (including industry rankings and international tournament participation), articles like this face disproportionate scrutiny compared to Western counterparts with similar or lesser achievements.

I urge editors to consider whether this reflects unconscious bias rather than policy compliance. Improve articles, not deleting them, should always be the first option. ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 19:30, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or speedy delete per previous AfD, little change. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:16, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Contesting Deletion

the original article of the subject got deleted because claimed "No real sign of notability", I list a number of sources proving that the subject is indeed notable:

- International Tournament Participation: Kings League World Cup 2025.

- Top 15 Streamers Worldwide: ranked at 12.

- Massive coverage by Moroccan press both in English (more), and Arabic.

if all these still don't make the subject notable, then sure go ahead and delete. ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 10:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update:

just to add one more thing (a fact and a message):

The first 3 months of 2023, the subject of this article was the most streamed gamer on YouTube, surpassing IShowSpeed, all this achieved through a dialect (Darija) spoken by about 40 million people, not a major language (English spoken by over 2 billion people). But somehow he is not notable!

It's really demotivating to continue contributing to Wikipedia against all these (unconscious) biases. This is not an accusation, it's studied and proved, "Reliability of Wikipedia". We come here with good intention to contribute, but seems like not on English Wikipedia, unfortunately. El Maliki is literally the biggest streamer in all of Africa according to all reliable sources included (like Dexerto).

respectfully, ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (still new here, I just learnt that this is the right term)!

so, since these discussions are NOT VOTES, then it should be that if 1 editor is able to present sufficient RSs on the subject, it won't matter how many spam "speedy delete"

Allow me to list an organized number of RSs testifying to the notability of the subject of this article:

The most watched streaming gamer of the first quarter of 2023 (surpassing IShowSpeed), Dexerto & SVG.
The 6th highest peak viewed stream on Kick's history (Surpassing Adin Ross, he literally had a stream with President Trump while running for office, still got surpassed by a guy speaking a dialect of 40 million people), Dexerto.
12th biggest streamer worldwide, Dexerto.
His Ultra was the first team selected for the 2025 Kings World Cup Club, the official and sole chairman of the Kingdom of Morocco on a world-class international competition, Kings League Pro.
His life largely covered by multiple RS in different languages: UAE's Al Mashhad, Morocco's most popular press outlets and most RSs: MWN, L'Opinion, Hespress, Le360, and much more.

It's not that difficult to look up stuff on Google. Best ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Hoping to have a discussion and evaluation of above sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HilssaMansen19 (talk) 10:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Several of the above sources were highlighted in the previous deletion discussion and practically all of it was deemed not suitable enough to establish notability beyond mere shallow coverage of his criminal record. See WP:SIGCOV. λ NegativeMP1 16:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the previous deletion discussion was disappointing doesn't mean this one has to be too!

Let's discuss the above sources and why they don't establish the subject's notability. (Btw, non of the sources above cover his criminal record but rather his achievements as a streamer and his role as a chairman of Morocco in the Kings World Cup). Rap no Davinci (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At the end, Ideophagous provided a 2023 article from Al-Quds Al-Arabi on a Quran related controversy. But we cannot base an article entirely on controversy. IgelRM (talk) 16:01, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply there is a reason why we're having a second discussion!

the source from Al-Quds Al-Arabi you mentioned is not listed in the sources above nor it's included in the current article, so it really has nothing to do with our discussion here.

The sources above are L'Opinion, Hespress, Al-Mashhad, Morocco World News, and Kings Leagues official website, all covering his role as a chairman of Morocco + Dexerto writing about his achievements as the biggest streamer in Africa.

All these sources together (plus more) is enough to establish the subject's notability as an online streamer and media personality. Rap no Davinci (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as the article cites several sources considered reliable in Morocco and the Arab world. Most of them focus on his streaming career rather than past legal issues. WikiEdWoq (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think some source analysis by uninvolved editors could be helpful here
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 06:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per G4 and salt. Questionable sigcov and this was settled in favor of delete only to be recreated. Go D. Usopp (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply G4: "It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, and pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies."

The current page is not substantially identical to the deleted version (as determined by an admin, see reason of his decline of CSD ) and about 50% of the sources listed weren't used/discussed before! Rap no Davinci (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've made my case in the last deletion discussion, please read my arguments for keeping the article there.--Ideophagous (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete: per G4. Yoshi24517 (Chat) (Online) 18:16, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, there are 42 refs listed in the article, at least half of them were never used in the previous deletion discussion, yet not one editor bothered to check them out and explain to us here why they don't establish notability of the individual. Writing "speedy delete" is quite pointless considering that it got declined before, and the current article address the reasons for which the previous one got deleted.

Almost all major Moroccan media wrote about him in Arabic, French and English as well as other sources from overseas.

Still hoping to have an actual discussion! Rap no Davinci (talk) 21:09, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Allin Kempthorne

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

I've AFD'd this, but actually I think it should be redirected to Wriggler (video game). There doesn't appear to be any independent, reliable sources giving significant coverage to the subject of this article. Sourcing is all tabloid news (The Mirror, The Sun, Metro) or passing mentions. Simply appearing on BGT (and not being recognised...) does not indicate notability. Simply being a bit-part actor in numerous films does not indicate notability. Additionally I have WP:PROMO/WP:COI concerns here.

They wrote the ZX Spectrum game Wriggler together with their twin when they were at school, and this game is clearly notable, but nothing else they have done appears to be notable.

Also nominating The Vampires of Bloody Island for deletion (no need to redirect this), which is the film Allin Kempthorne created. The only coverage that could be found for this is blatantly promotional ("we were forced to bring forward the release of this film because of an email campaign that no-one but us is the source for existing") and from sources of dubious reliability. Simply being nominated for a Twitter Shorty Award does not indicate notability.

Similarly also Learning Hebrew for the same reasons.FOARP (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Artists, Businesspeople, and Video games. FOARP (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Magic, Television, Entertainment, and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom. MimirIsSmart (talk) 01:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds reasonable, concurring per nom. IgelRM (talk) 18:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@IgelRM@MimirIsSmart - Also redirect for the two films? Or delete? FOARP (talk) 08:02, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn't make sense to redirect film article to a game. I would say Delete but this combined AFD is a bit confusing. IgelRM (talk) 21:49, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per nom with WP:NPOV disputed and as for the the next one, since it exists, redirect to a suitable one since Allin's does meet neutrality and COI as suggested or keep if there are more sources. I will suggest we keep one worthy, I will work on it and find sourcs to redirect others to newly edited one per WP:ATD as one can argue WP:TOOSOON.
HilssaMansen19 (talk) 09:29, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is no mention of Wriggler anywhere in the article, or any sources for it, so it's not a legitimate redirect term. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused, are you criticizing that Kempthorne involvement in Wriggler isn't sourced well? IgelRM (talk) 17:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think what @Ritchie333 is trying to say is that, since Wriggler isn't even mentioned in the current article on Kempthorne, it's a WP:ASTONISH issue for anyone looking for info on Kempthorne. I'm inclined to agree. Anyone who searches for "Allin Kempthorne" will still be able to find Wriggler (video game) in the search results, they just won't be automatically directed there. -- asilvering (talk) 05:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see, but then I could just add a mention of Wriggler to the article now and defeat the argument? However, I'm fine with Delete as the game doesn't appear particularly relevant to the person's career. IgelRM (talk) 21:24, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Because there are three articles under review, I think this needs more eyes.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 14:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: thrd relist per Star M above
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 04:54, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

circling back to this to vote, unrelated to my relisting earlier. Delete The Vampires of Bloody Island and Learning Hebrew. I did a BEFORE on google(news)(books), as well as newspapers.com, and found no reviews of either. Based on the years (2000s/2010s) and locations (Anglo-sphere) of the films, I feel reasonably confident that there would be at least a couple reviews online. I'd also be inclined to Delete Allin Kempthorne, because so much of what he's done is non-notable, but just about scrapes by as something that someone might search for, and I'm not sure it best serves the reader to redirect to the video game (which is notable but not, imv, exceedingly so). But I'm not strongly opposed to that redirection either. I did not find any sigcov of Kempthorne, either. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:15, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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