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Wedding Dash

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Obviously fails GNG, and per BEFORE. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 16:56, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom re GNG: sole IGN source is archived database entry with no sigcov. The one semi-viable RS I could find was a paywalled Goshen News review that I can't read. Regardless, one source would not suffice. /over.throws/^✎ 17:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wayback Machine got the article for me, looks fine. IgelRM (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksei Gubanov

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No claim to any notability. Fails WP:N. Deleted in Russian Wikipedia. Mitte27 (talk) 17:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree, a couple of russian sources covered after he was recognized as a foreign agent on 4 April, even with this news the only notable magazine that covered it was Lenta.ru, which is blacklisted. Russian wiki also deleted the page. LastJabberwocky (talk) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - There is also a draft, Draft:Alexey Gubanov, which I have declined because this article exists. Is there any content or sources in the draft that can be added to the article? (I have not reviewed either the draft or the article in detail, and do not at this time have an opinion on notability.) Robert McClenon (talk) 05:48, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zackray

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The article has used a lot of unreliable sources and fails WP:GNG. I did WP:BEFORE, but there are zero sigcov or lacking of reliable sources about this person. A source like this [1] [2] just states that he just won at The Big House 9 tournament, but that's it. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:32, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dabuz

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The article has used a lot of unreliable sources and fails WP:GNG. I did WP:BEFORE, but there are zero sigcov or lacking of reliable sources about this person. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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CyberStep

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Lacks notable, verifiable sources proving his subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for a person Hka-34 Jyli (talk) 08:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: While I have no opinion on the article, I did want to point out that Wikipedia's notability guidelines for a person—i.e. WP:BIO—would not come into play for an article for a company, which falls under NCORP instead. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:45, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you looked at the sources on JP wiki or done a BEFORE in Japanese? IgelRM (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Virtway

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should be deleted due to its promotional tone, lack of reliable citations, questionable notability, and the status of its flagship project, which is considered vaporware. Hka-34 Jyli (talk) 09:02, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. non-notable and lacking in WP:SIGCOV. an audit of the three current citations gives a poor result: [3] and [4]^archive make no mention of virtway. [5] is a simple press release. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 09:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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My Little Pony: Twilight Sparkle, Teacher for a Day

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Non-notable app; no secondary coverage whatsoever ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There are already reviews from Kirkus, Common Sense Media, and Wired in the article. I also found mentions in Kotaku and 148Apps. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I think it toes the line of passing and not passing GNG, but there is a clear merge target. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aluka (gamer)

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Non-notable; found no secondary coverage ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:24, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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HDStarcraft

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Non-notable ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There seems to be no independent coverage of this person. I only see them being briefly mentioned in the context of tournaments. Cortador (talk) 21:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs playable in Fortnite Festival

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Per the last deletion discussion for this type of article, there is almost a unanimous agreement that this should not be on Wikipedia. While there are sources discussing songs being added to the game during major collaborations (e.g. seasons), there is no critical commentary regarding them, nor is there any significant-coverage. And the majority of songs don't get any coverage regarding their announcements regardless. The majority of the list is also unsourced. This article fails WP:GAMEGUIDE and WP:GAMECRUFT. Note that there is a key difference between a list like List of songs in Guitar Hero II and this: the songs playable in Guitar Hero II was a worthwhile split that met WP:NLIST and was fully sourced, and also basically served as a DLC list. This is not the case here, as songs in Fortnite Festival are effectively cosmetic items and a list like this would be like a "List of Fortnite skins" article. I also think a merge of the songs list into Fortnite Festival would similarly fail GAMEGUIDE/GAMECRUFT, so I'm proposing a flat out deletion. Also, this isn't something that should probably be on Wikipedia, but rather a playlist on some other site or fandom. λ NegativeMP1 15:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The places that we do have lists of songs for rhythm games generally try to be more than just a list, like reasons for selection or reception, in addition to nearly every song being covered by RSes. I know that the headliner acts for Festival are noted but definitely nowhere close to even a small fraction if songs, nor have I seen commentary related to reception or how songs are chosen. Masem (t) 15:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as far as I can tell, this is contrary to the consensus decided at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs in Fortnite Festival as well as violating the policies listed by nom. Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This may not be popular opinion, but I believe that song lists for all video games are WP:GAMECRUFT, regardless if they are rhythm game or not. OceanHok (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy delete G4 This is likely eligible as title evasion to create the article under another name; somehow remembering the former article this is even worse than the original article deleted because it's just a long contextless playlist of songs, in addition to in-house background music just being thrown in here too to overload it. Nathannah • 📮 15:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - clear consensus at previous AfD and no reason why this should have a different outcome Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:05, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - It seems like everyone's on the same page, and as the pages creator I don't think I can give a fair opinion. I also lack the ability to defend the articles existence, as well as the previously made points.AlexEditsStuff (talk) 18:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your maturity and understanding. I remember the first few articles I created on Wikipedia got deleted but I persisted and am still here over a decade later. It takes a while to get to grips with our notability guidelines but having a good read of WP:GNG and WP:N will go a long way. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:41, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:00, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and Salt all of this title. Idk if this count as G4 but clearly not suitable per WP:NLIST. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, Delete, but I don't see why it should be salted. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 02:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Fortnite Festival; the list is excessive but which major songs are available os relevant for the game. IgelRM (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Storm in a Teacup (company)

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Appears to fail WP:NCORP, WP:NOTINHERITED. a WP:BEFORE found funding coverage from Wired Italy but looks insufficient. Suggesting redirect to Close to the Sun. IgelRM (talk) 11:32, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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AMP (streamer collective)

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most of the notable stuff are about a member of the group, not the group itself. the only significant coverage about the group are from the tubefilter article, the rest are mainly about kai cenat. Http iosue (talk) 00:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Off-TV Play

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An attempted bold merge of the article was reverted, but rather than start a merge discussion I am starting an AfD instead due to my serious notability concerns. This article would seem to fail WP:GNG as there are no secondary sources that appear to talk specifically about Off-TV Play as a feature as opposed to the Wii U console as a whole or its controllers. Looking at the sources given upon the article's creation, they are all Wii U console reviews and not much seems to have changed. Notability is not inherited; that is a core tenet of notability, so a feature does not become notable solely because the device it is on is notable. Furthermore, with devices like the PlayStation Portal, the feature cannot be said to be unique any longer either. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:20, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Wii U GamePad: per nom. Sources do not appear to satisfy WP:SIGCOV. silviaASH (inquire within) 05:25, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - sourced reception section shows notability, (sources like this are in-depth, and by third party reliable sources], and the subject would be an WP:UNDUE issue to fully cover the topic at the GanePad article. Sergecross73 msg me 11:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also baffled by the nominator's comment about the PlayStation Portal. It is, at best, completely irrelevant, and, at worst, completely against their own argument, as there is RS commentary about how off tv play did it better. There's articles saying that off tv play is the Wii U's legacy even. Very misguided. Sergecross73 msg me 23:39, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Wii U GamePad This is just an feature of the Wii U GamePad- not notable enough for an independent article. TzarN64 (talk) 16:26, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If this were just the list of games that supported Off-TV play, it would clearly be reasonable, and would not be appropriate to merge back to Wii U or other articles. That more can be added to discuss development and its reception such that it is more than just a list seems to make sense to have this as its own article separate from the console or controller. Masem (t) 17:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:SOURCESEXIST, please cite where the development information and major reception is. So far there has only been one cited source solely about the Off-TV Play feature. Re: Articles about the gamepad, there is already a gamepad article of course. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please re-read their comment, they did not make a SOURCESEXIST violating argument in the first place. Sergecross73 msg me 13:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Wii U Gamepad. This subject is almost entirely tied to its usage in the Gamepad, and is reflected in nearly all of the coverage. The bulk of arguments for keeping do not take into account Wikipedia:NOPAGE, which very strongly applies to this situation given the subject overlap, which would allow for a greater understanding of both subjects if they were to be discussed together. A separate article is not necessary in this case. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 04:34, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think an attempt at talk page discussion would have been beneficial before nominating. Still, I struggle with the title "Off-TV Play", which sounds confusing/ambiguous outside the Wii U context. I don't think it's a good article as is, I'm unsure what the opposition to a merge is here. IgelRM (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The feature does appear to have reputable coverage and reception, and merging the information of this article into the GamePad article would either require a disproportionately long section or, if trimmed, would create a WP:UNDUE issue. Maxeto0910 (talk) 18:00, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:SOURCESEXIST. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:07, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, not what they said. Sergecross73 msg me 19:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Wii U GamePad per nom ꧁Zanahary꧂ 19:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IndustryMasters

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IndustryMasters the company(?) and IndustryMasters the game (formerly IndustryPlayer) fail WP:ORG. I could not find in-depth coverage in reliable sources online.

There are five sources cited but actually eight in total; three are pasted in the middle of the article as external links. Citation 1 is a permanently dead link. Citations 2 to 4 verify that the IndustryMasters website was used to host one event (one game) of a competition in India from 2006 to 2010. Citation 5 does not mention, but is being used to verify the existence of, the event and competition. The first external link is a YouTube video announcing that IndustryMasters won a Learning Technologies Award, a private initiative. The second external link is a WBS source that briefly mentions IndustryMasters twice in the context of the WBS working with them. The Warwick Business School source is an announcement of its partnership with IndustryMasters.

The sourced content does not indicate anything particularly remarkable about the IndustryMasters company(?) and the rest of the article, including information about its gameplay and utility, is wholly unsourced. Its biggest claim to fame is winning an award in 2020 in its niche subset of educational games.

This article was recreated by Sunshinebr after its preceding article IndustryPlayer was deleted on 6 June 2008. Sunshinebr justified the recreation by saying they added sources, but evidently the sources are not in-depth or independent of the company and nobody had bothered scrutinising them until now. All of this article's content was written by Sunshinebr (other users' edits being general cleanup) and nearly all of Sunshinebr's edits are limited to this article.

Seems to me that an article for a non-notable game and later company was recreated and managed to pass unnoticed for several years. Yet through all that time, not one reliable, independent source covered either the game or company in detail, hence a failure of WP:ORG. Yue🌙 01:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I am the contributor sunshinebr. some inaccuracies in Yue's commentary _ IndustryMasters is a registered trademark for a proprietary and unique business simulation platform with hundreds of simulation variants, used by major corporations and business schools across the world. To call it non-notable is a distortion. - The activity in India was not 1 game but many editions and variations, and several top business schools. - The Learning Technology awards are a prestigious annual industry event in the UK. Not exactly a "private initiative" as Yue has stated. It may not be US-based, but is important in our industry, recognizing exceptional standards and performance as well as extremely close collaboration with a major academic institution. - I have removed reference 1 (the dead link) from the CPA of Australia as it seems to be out of print now. at the time of original publishing it was a valid reference. - The IndustryMasters platform continues to develop and publish in 2025 and will shortly announce major technological advances in business simulation programming. I would hope that Wikipedia would advance into the 21st century with its thinking, and provide a useful reference to the world across academia and industry.

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunshinebr (talk • contribs) 10:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notability on Wikipedia is established by citing independent reliable sources providing enough detail on the topic, not just stating about its subjective importance or awards; this is especially true for articles about companies. ObserveOwl (talk) 03:14, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not seeing notability here against WP:NCORP. The sourcing present in the article fails to support significant coverage that would detail key information to describe the business and its products. The article is littered with promotional jargon that is generally not encyclopedic at all. The sources indicate some recognition in the field, but these are scattered amongst products or business practices that fail to provide context to the business or really evidence anything about its core notability. If the business is notable within or outside its industry, broader sourcing about the business would be expected. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC) Delete I cannot see it's notability either. Business descriptions, paid and self-published sources only. Maybe some sources exist. --Unicorbia (talk) 13:32, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Even if notability surfaces, this article appears WP:TNT worthy, especially given the non-improvement since 2008. The Learning Technologies Awards might be a relevant trade award here, but that doesn't save the article. IgelRM (talk) 21:19, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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What kind of source review was suggested here? The first 3 are about from a conference, the 4 a homepage of an institute, 5 a gala video and 6, 7 on the Warwick School partnership. That's a clear delete. IgelRM (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ohq

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Fails WP:BIO. No significant coverage in reliable sources; given sources are routine coverage and Ohq is mentioned in passing. No significant achievements in tier-one leagues or tournaments during his career. Yue🌙 22:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There is no clear consensus that WP:NSPORT covers esports players and there is much routine coverage per nom. However, the ESPN story [6] and (likely) this Red Bull article [7] supports WP:SPORTCRIT which are reliable per WP:VG/RS. Esports Edition [8], unsure about its reliability. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 21:15, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that the coverage in those articles (at least the two that are not permanently dead) is significant. The most substantial is the ESPN article, but "a South Korean player is having difficulties adjusting to American life after joining an American team" is hardly the headliner article to establish standalone notability (i.e. apart from NRG Esports). Yue🌙 21:45, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yue: Understandable, but ESPN also touches on his career. I've also fixed the Red Bull and Esports Edition links. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 03:46, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Yue here; delete. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:08, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There is ample routine coverage that makes searching for significant coverage difficult, but I agree that the ESPN and Red bull sources don't establish any particular notability. No significant accomplishments on any of the teams he played for. Just another korean import into the north american league of legends league.

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All India Gaming Federation

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fail NCORP; possibly hoax. every link I open leads to not related article. Insillaciv (talk) 11:37, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: @Insillaciv: The sources do not work, but there is some coverage about this body by those same media companies, so definitely not a hoax. Just do a google news search with the title. I didn't check them thoroughly so no vote yet. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:11, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Adequate newspaper coverage for notability.--Ipigott (talk) 13:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trade org that sued an Indian state, unsure how notable. IgelRM (talk) 21:04, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete – Not a hoax, but I could not find in-depth coverage in the sources given nor from a search online. Claims of notability are limited to self-given titles. Perhaps the (apparent non-governmental) organisation has better coverage in languages other than English, given that India is so linguistically diverse. Yue🌙 01:51, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samsora

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Zero WP:SIGCOV. WP:BEFORE shows no reliable sources. Most of the sources that have been used here are mostly unreliable, while other reliable was just he won 2019 but that's it. I'm suspecting Nairo (gamer) has the same fate like this article. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:48, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The unfortunate reality is that there just aren't many high quality sources covering esports. ESPN shuttered their coverage, the listings at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Esports are pretty small press, and many are region-specific or esport-specific to MOBAs. However, I think I cobbled together enough from the best sources that were available to pass the bar of WP:GNG. At the time that I wrote the article, they were a professionally signed player with major tournament wins, and considered one of the best players in the world in a notable esport by the community-accepted ranking system (If Red Bull is a RS and they devote extensive coverage to the Panda Global rankings, that should be enough). It's been a long time since I participated in AfD, so I'm out of practice and that's the best argument I can make at this time. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:57, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they might be reliable like ESPN, but it has only trivia coverage; thus not a sigcov (wouldn't help its notability). 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 07:18, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I can only find links to Events Hub, which feels promotional. The sourcing used is mostly confirmation lists of people involved in various tournaments. I don't see notability with the lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 14:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning delete, passing mention on CEO Dreamland article is all the apparent notability here. IgelRM (talk) 20:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Mahler

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I do think this article passes WP:N. Most of the sources that mention him are about Moon Studios, the studio he co-founded, or the development process of the Ori games, but they are not necessarily about him. OceanHok (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your comment, OceanHok. I appreciate the scrutiny regarding WP:N. I believe Thomas Mahler meets the General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG) due to significant coverage in reliable, independent sources that focus on him as an individual, not just Moon Studios or the Ori games. For example, the GamesIndustry.biz article "The making of Ori and the Blind Forest" (2015-03-23) provides detailed insight into Mahler’s personal background, his time at Blizzard, and his creative vision, beyond just the studio’s work. Similarly, the GamesRadar+ interview "Ori and the Will of the Wisps interview: Thomas Mahler on difficulty, storytelling, and more" (2020-03-10) centers on his design philosophy and leadership approach, highlighting his individual contributions. These sources, among others like the PC Gamer coverage of his role in No Rest for the Wicked’s development, offer substantial, non-trivial coverage of Mahler himself in secondary sources, independent of Moon Studios. While much of his recognition ties to the studio he co-founded, this is typical for creative directors, and the depth of personal focus in these articles supports his notability under WP:GNG. I’d welcome further discussion or suggestions to strengthen this! 84.242.10.82 (talk) 13:38, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@84.242.10.82 are you Thomas Mahler? Brenae wafato (talk) 22:02, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The only time I've seen this guy in the news was when he was accused of creating a toxic workplace. No mention of that in the article here though, instead we have an overly long promo/fluff piece that reads like it was AI generated. Seriously, look at some of these sentences: "Thomas Mahler’s career has significantly impacted modern game development, from the way games can be made to the way they are received." "Mahler’s work on Ori has had a lasting influence beyond just sales and awards. The games demonstrated that a small, remote team could produce an experience to rival big-budget studio productions, potentially influencing how future indie projects are perceived and funded." Even if other editors think he's notable, I'm not sure there's anything worth salvaging in the current article. I'd argue it needs WP:TNT either way. CurlyWi (talk) 18:35, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the IP editor above appears to be a WP:SPA who has previously attempted to sanitize any criticism[9][10] in the Moon Studios article. CurlyWi (talk) 19:00, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Merge a small part to the Moon Studios article? I'm not sure he's quite notable enough, but there's more than ample coverage about the workplace "issues". Oaktree b (talk) 14:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge A lot of this dovetails with Moon Studios. I don't really think he's notable outside that framework (otherwise it's notability decided solely on WP:NOTNEWS-ish controversy-related grounds.) I'm not seeing the significance for a GNG pass. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 00:25, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but also rewrite significantly. Per above, the main thing I know him from are the allegations of creating a toxic studio environment. The old 2017 article may be a better base to build from. That said, it does appear that there are sources and interviews here, so if trimmed down to DUEWEIGHT, there's something workable potentially. (Merge would be a backup second choice.) I'm not sure the original 2017 bold redirect was really merited. SnowFire (talk) 03:02, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I still think all of Mahler's successes and failures are too closely tied to Moon Studios and its games. I redirected the article in 2017 for mostly being an unnecessary content fork at that time. OceanHok (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Snowfire says above "it does appear that there are sources and interviews here," but has anyone actually looked at them? Of the 23 sources cited in the current article, 18 of them don't exist. And I don't just mean the links are broken, I mean they cite articles that literally never existed as far as I can tell. I'm 99% sure this IP editor [11] just asked chatGPT to generate a positive article about Mahler which is why the article is full of insane sentences like "The Ori games revitalized interest in 2D exploration-platformers and set a high bar for artistry in games." I wouldn't be surprised if the IP is Mahler himself[12] since he appears to be involved here too. To quote Revenge of the Sith, "How did this happen? We're smarter than this!" I still stand by my original comment that there is nothing worth merging/salvaging in the current article, and this deserves TNT even if other editors think a good article on Mahler could potentially exist down the line. CurlyWi (talk) 18:23, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @CurlyWi: Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't look too closely at the current version which was obviously puffery, but that is concerning. My !vote was based on me looking at the 2017 version. Based on what you said, it sounds like we should hard-revert to the 2017 version as a temporary measure. I had assumed that the sources existed but were being grossly over-spun and I guess I got "unlucky" in finding some of the actual sources, but see above as far as the 2017 version comment. SnowFire (talk) 20:22, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural note: Per CurlyWi's comment above, I hard-reverted. I think much of the fluffy added content wasn't usable anyway, but if it was based on hallucinated references, it's even less usable. Unfortunately the links in the old refs have broken somewhat (and use deprecated params) but it seems more likely to be accurate to reality. (My vote is unchanged above.) SnowFire (talk) 20:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Considering there is already a Moon Studios article, that appears to be an easy merge/redirect target for whoever wants to put in the effort. IgelRM (talk) 20:42, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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