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Confusion

My project draft:Arganak was declined because some person named user:AlphaBetaGamma posted this:

"This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject) reliable secondary independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

When on Armenian cuisine in the soups, and stews section, there is a bulletin point, and it says "Arganak (Armenian: արգանակ arganak) – soup that is based on seasoned meatballs, and onions, which are cooked in chicken broth, and flavored with lemon juice, egg yolks and parsley."

When I wrote a draft that talks about the same food, and was declined for not being notable! And also, the crazy thing is that on Armenian cuisine, many sources are not reliable. I will give some examples of non-reliable sources. Reference 102 and references 169 to 176 are literally products to buy on an e-commerce store. And reference 128 is using TasteAtlas, the only source I used in my draft, and somehow MY DRAFT got declined, and the part using the reference did not. Also, reference 140 is a YouTube video on how to make an Armenian food called "Qalagosh!" And finally, reference 177 does not exist (It is a 404 not found.)

This is not fair. Can someone please do something about it? Rafael Hello! 15:09, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

draft:Arganak is way too short, and has only one cite. This is nowhere near mainspace, see Your first article for ways of fixing this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you can do something about it: if the article Armenian cuisine is poorly sourced (which would not surprise me - we have thousands and thousands of articles which are seriously substandard and would not be accepted if they were submitted for review today), then the answer is to improve the sourcing on that article, not to add further equally weakly sourced articles.

Unfortunately, not many volunteers are willing to spend much time working on this issue.

We evaluate each article submitted against Wikipedia's current policies, not against existing articles: see other stuff exists. ColinFine (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

You could ask or help finding sources at WT:WikiProject Armenia. Remember that sources don't need to be in English, and don't need to be online. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:06, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

review

Please review my draft: draft:Arganak Rafael Hello! 16:18, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Since you've already submitted the draft for review, a reviewer will get to it please be patient. This may take a week or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 312 pending submissions waiting for review. Asking in different forums won't get your draft reviewed any quicker. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 16:29, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat:, ideally you want significant coverage in three sources. WP:SIGCOV isn't defined exactly, but tasteatlas is only four sentences, which is probably not enough to count as significant coverage. Likewise Armenian Food has only one sentence and Česko-arménská konverzace, a few words in a Czech-Armenian vocabulary. TSventon (talk) 17:06, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

help

I mistakingly made this BioSpring Biotechnology Company. Can you delete this? Rafael Hello! 03:13, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

You can request the deletion of any page that you are the only substantial author of by adding the template {{db-author}}.

Nb. the page in question was moved to Draft:BioSpring Biotechnology Company. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 08:06, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Adam Shapiro

 Courtesy link: Adam Shapiro (television reporter)

Your description of me is inacccurate. I have updated the description. 69.193.176.10 (talk) 13:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Your changes were reverted; not least because we cannot tell if you are who you say you are. Please see the advice at WP:About you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:53, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Unable to log in despite knowing the password

Since that case is not covered by Help:Logging_in, I went to this page as directed there.

A few days ago I got logged out from the mobile app, and, upon trying to log back in, I got told I had to input a verification code that had been sent to my email address. The problem is, I no longer have that email account, which I literally deleted. When I noticed that, I tried going to my profile on my desktop browser, to change the email - which doesn't work, since changing the email requires me to login, with that very same verification code. Does that mean I will be locked out of this account? Ntechs (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm afraid so. If you no longer have access to the mail, and you are not still logged in anywhere, then there is no way to recover your account. You'll need to make a new one, and you are recommended to put a note on both user pages (the old and the new) explaining that one is a successor to the other). ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Ntechs is still logged in here. You can mail ca@wikimedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, @PrimeHunter: I missed that @Ntechs was logged in - somehow I looked at the signature and saw the figures in the time and date, and thought I was seeing an IP address! ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

My Wiki Page was deleted

Can someone help me with getting my page back up on Wikipedia?

Thanks Pedro 2601:58A:8F02:88D0:5844:1F39:5486:510D (talk) 22:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

There's no such thing as "my page" (except, to a limited extent, the userpage of a registered user). What page are you talking about? --Orange Mike | Talk 22:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey Orange Mike i appreciate your response, didnt mean it was my page like i own it, lol, but it was about me used to have one and now noticed its not there anymore. Is everything here public meaning not a private conversation to help?

Page Pedro Power 2601:58A:8F02:88D0:5844:1F39:5486:510D (talk) 22:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Pedro Power was deleted according to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro Power. 331dot (talk) 22:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Most Wikipedia business is conducted on Wikipedia, for openness and transparency. Only the most sensitive personal information may be discussed privately. 331dot (talk) 22:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Perfect thanks for the reply, but what was mentioned is not true. Its hard to pull up detailed sources from those days, but there is still some sources that provide actual facts on my career and also as a NBA Agent. How do i provide these? 2601:58A:8F02:88D0:5844:1F39:5486:510D (talk) 23:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Since the article about you was deleted, there's not much you can do. While not forbidden, autobiographical articles are highly discouraged per the autobiography policy. Also know that there are very good reasons to not want an article here. Nevertheless, if you feel that you can demonstrate that you are a notable person and received significant coverage in independent reliable sources that you can summarize, you could use the Article Wizard to submit a draft. If you do, you should note on the draft talk page that you are writing about yourself. I advise against this, but that is how you can proceed. 331dot (talk) 23:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

If there are three sources that each meet all of the requirements of our golden rule, you can post details (as web links or bibliographic citations) here, then undeletion of the article can be considered, so that it can be updated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:14, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Pedro. Facts on your career are not enough. Did several people, wholly unconnected with you or your clubs, choose to write in some depth about you, in reliable publications? If the answer is yes, then an article about you may be possible; if no, then no article is possible. At the time of the deletion discussion in 2019, the consensus was that no such sources (or, at least, not enough such sources) existed. ColinFine (talk) 14:05, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Broken template due to use of graph extension

The template Template:Airport-Statistics is broken due to use of the disabled graph extension. It needs to be rewritten to use the chart extension, but I don't know enough about that extension to do it myself. Is there a tag that can be applied to this template to get attention from a qualified editor? That template is used on 1,100 pages so fixing it would be a huge benefit. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 19:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Category names

Hi,

I see the categories listed by ABC and I can determine the name order. Like {{DEFAULTSORT:Belgrade 1440}} or custom name order [[Category:Sieges involving Hungary|Siege of Belgrade]]. It is possible to add a custom name for an article in the category page? I would like add dates to the battles.

OrionNimrod (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

No, pages are always displayed with their real names in categories. It's possible to make a redirect to an article and place the redirect in a category. Then the title of the redirect will be displayed but this should only be done in special cases and not for your purpose. See Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects#Article categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Could you rename this category as ABC? All sub articles are Hungarian-Ottoman and not Category:Ottoman–Hungarian wars. OrionNimrod (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@OrionNimrod: I'm not sure that you mean. If you want the category to be renamed then you are not allowed to do it on your own. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! OrionNimrod (talk) 21:05, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Ping all participants in a prior discussion

Is there a quick way to ping/notify all editors who participated in a particular discussion, i.e., all who posted in a specific section of a Talk page or notice board? Say there was a prior RM discussion with dozens of entries and I want to notify everyone who participated of a new discussion. I know how to ping using {{Reply to}}, [[User:username]], and @Username from the visual editor. Is there a shortcut for doing this rather than sifting through the old thread to identify each participant and manually entering their usernames? --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:03, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@Myceteae The simplest is probably to use the reply tool (not "edit source"). See Help:Talk_pages#Reply_tool, which shows how to ping users who have contributed to a thread. Of course. if there were dozens of other people, it might be seen as a bit OTT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I should have clarified, I'm wondering if there is a way to ping editors who contributed to an old thread within a new thread. Say there was an active discussion months ago that has closed or gone stale. Now there is a new discussion, perhaps on a different page, that is relevant and would benefit from these perspectives. I suppose I could open a reply in the old thread to use the @ dropdown to identify all the users and either place a notice about the new thread in the old thread, or copy–paste the 'pings' into the new thread. Thanks! --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:33, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

List of surnames

How can I get a list of articles Foo Jeffrey to populate a new surname page? Doug butler (talk) 21:16, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi Doug butler - do you mean an "intitle" search for articles including "Jeffrey", like this? - Arjayay (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

There is already a surname page at Jeffrey (surname), but it may not be complete. TSventon (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I created it and have populated it with some of the most common (male) given names, but from experience I have only found 10% of those qualifying. Doug butler (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Doug butler: intitle:Jeffrey -prefix:Jeffrey omits people with Jeffrey as first name. It's still a lot to go through. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Quicker than going through my book of baby names (if I can find it — that was 60 years ago) Doug butler (talk) 22:01, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Question about potential article notability

I noticed that "Mascot horror" is not an article on Wikipedia, so I've been doing some preliminary research on the topic to see if it's notable for Wikipedia. Just based on prior knowledge, I feel like it would be notable, given its popularity in modern online culture. I have found thus far three journals that focus on the topic; however, this is really all I've been able to find that is based on strictly reliable sources. Other sources I've seen include screen rant, game jolt, and other similar websites, but I am unsure if these are considered reliable. It feels like a notable topic, but I'm conflicted with source availability, so I'm wondering if this would be a topic that is considered notable and could exist? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 05:32, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Suggestion, SonOfYoutubers: Here, within this discussion thread, post links to three journal articles (not just journals) that "focus on the topic". A DOI is good enough. If the article is behind a paywall, as most are, then the abstract should be good enough: The DOI should point to it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Google Scholar has 9 hits for "mascot horror", a term I've never heard before. Many are not in English but in principle if one were so motivated these might become the basis for an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary@Michael D. Turnbull I actually did use Google Scholar to find these journal articles, links here: one, two, three, all are open source. The English and Spanish one I can easily interpret since I speak both, but the Korean one would be harder to use, although its abstract is in English and already provides good information. Besides these, I'm having trouble finding sources. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 14:24, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Newspapers.com gave me The Globe Sat, 04 Nov 2023 ·Page 4, which mentions this as a new genre but is not really WP:SIGCOV. That was all there was there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:52, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

If that is all you can find, I suggest you read WP:TOOSOON. It may not be time yet for an article here about this topic. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:56, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

SonOfYoutubers, I looked at those three.

• "one": The journal is La Revista de Estudios sobre Juegos de Rol y STEAM = Journal of Roleplaying Studies and STEAM. I think that the publication is web only (though such a distinction has probably lost whatever meaning it once may have had). Googling "Journal of Roleplaying Studies and STEAM" site:wikipedia.org doesn't show any citation in the Wikipedia of any language. The English-language abstract of this article reads (and I provide it in full): This proposal seeks to establish, show and delimit that transmediality and intertextuality play an important role at the moment of creating narratives in contemporary video games. Emphasizing the increasing complexity (and, therefore, highlighting the differences with conventional narrative structures) that exists in video game narratives and the necessity of interaction and non-lineal configuration in their stories. Perhaps I'm just dimwitted, but I cannot derive any meaning from this. When an abstract is as opaque as this, I rarely bother to look at the body text. Is the (Spanish-language) body text informative?
• "two": In refreshing contrast to the abstract of "one", this abstract is written to inform, and the conference paper as a whole seems to be as well, though I haven't read it. (This isn't a journal article. It's "2025: Conference Proceedings of DiGRA 2025: Games at the Crossroads / Papers". "DiGRA" is the Digital Games Research Association. Though "We thank the anonymous reviewers for their helpful comments" sounds like peer review, so the distinction is perhaps unimportant.)
• "three": This appeared in volume 19 of a journal whose title Google translates or mistranslates for me as Journal of the Korea Knowledge Information Technology Society. I think that the journal is also cited in what's currently reference 21 of Korean phonology. It comes with an abstract that's in some Korean-flavored variety of English; I think I can guess what this means, mostly, but guesswork is of course inadequate. In order to derive anything useful from this article would I think need the help of somebody proficient in Korean.

My multifaceted incompetence (ignorance of games, inability to read Spanish or Korean, dimwittedness) might be to blame, but I'd toss "one" and "three". If doing so means you have to wait some months for material for a decent article ... the article Digital Games Research Association is splattered with templated admonishments; how about improving it? -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary I read over "one", and the body text does seem to be informative, especially a particular part of it where it gives some qualities that Mascot Horror games have in common with each other, which would be immensely useful for a "definition" of Mascot Horror, similar to the definition section of first person shooter. Perhaps the reason for the abstract seeming opaque is maybe it was translated, but I can't say for certain. "three", I simply cannot derive much from because I, too, don't speak Korean, so I would need help from someone who does. Either way though, taking advice from the others, I likely will pass on this, at least for now, since there just doesn't seem to be enough sources at the moment to write a full article. I don't even think it's a "too soon" thing, I think it simply just doesn't have enough coverage from reliable news networks yet, despite its prominence, so I'll just have to wait. I'll keep it on my radar nevertheless. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

That sounds sensible, SonOfYoutubers. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

greek-genocide.net a non-reliable source?

My question is: is the website greek-genocide.net a non-reliable source? Especially in the context I used: I used a link to that website to prove that the name "Macri" is/was used as the Greek name for Fethiye. Is it correct that an anonymous editor reverted my edit? Thanks, --Dick Bos (talk) 15:36, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

It's not clear to me. I can't see anything about its staff on the website, which is a red flag. Insofar as it collects resources, they are probably reliable (though often primary); but I'm not sure that any text about them should be so regarded.

I suggest asking at WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your quick answer. I'll certainly do that! --Dick Bos (talk) 09:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

A more general pont, @Dick Bos: when another editor reverts your edit, the appropriate action is not to go somewhere else and ask if people agree with you, but to discuss it with the editor who reverted you (and possibly other interested editors) on the article's talk page: see WP:BRD.

If the other editor won't engage, or you are unable to reach consensus, then further steps are outlined at WP:DR. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Done. (my problem was that this was an anonymous editor) --Dick Bos (talk) 09:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Regardless, the above advice applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:50, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Problem Viewing XFD Logs

I am having a problem viewing the logs of deletion discussions that have been closed in a particular way. It happens when I try to view the listing of Miscellany for Deletion via Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. The page is briefly displayed showing the deletion discussion for Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject/Computer Programming/to do, but then the main MFD page is redisplayed, and the MFD for that page shows up in the Table of Contents, but no longer on the page itself. This also happens when viewing the RFDs for 18 June 2025, if I click on Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_June_18#Westlake,_Washington. After momentarily displaying all of the RFDs for the day, some of the closed RFDs disappear from the screen. Is this a misfeature, in which something is trying to help me by hiding the closed XFDs so that I don't see them? Does this also happen to everyone, or have I turned on this misfeature via a preference? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Using your final link, I see the closed discussion for Westlake Washington at the foot of the (PC) screen, but can scroll up to the many others including the one just above for Returned ticket, which is also closed. I'm using WP:Vector 2022. I have no idea what preference you might have used to suppress this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, User:Michael D. Turnbull. I see what you describe for a few seconds. Then it disappears Westlake Washington entirely, and disappears the discussion of Returned ticket except for the note that it was relisted. I am using Monobook. I will try using Vector 2022 and see what happens. I have always been using Monobook, and I know that I only have had this problem in the past few days. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:34, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I just tried switching to Vector 2022. I still have the same problem that it causes certain closed XFDs to disappear. I don't like the appearance as much as Monobook, probably because I have always been using Monobook, so I will switch back to Monobook. The choice of skin does not appear to be what causes this. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:44, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Since I am not getting a quick answer here, I will be asking this question at Village pump technical. I don't think that asking there is forum shopping when I haven't gotten an answer from the first parent. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

continuous redirect requests

There is someone named 65.93.183.249 (I don't know how to link it) who keeps on writing redirect requests on Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects. They wrote multiple synonyms about "Aptera", but they were making so many different request templates. I saw they make 5! Can you remove this? Or combine them into one template? Or anything else? Rafael Hello! 15:10, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Link is: User:65.93.183.249. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, but that's not what it is about. Rafael Hello! 15:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat That editor has been quite active creating articles through AfC, which suggests they think they know what they are doing. Their talk page at User_talk:65.93.183.249 has several messages, so you can reach them there, although they won't be alerted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat I see no reason why these redirects shouldn't be requested. Someone will in due course either make them or decline them. About half the requests for redirects are declined anyway. Just let it run. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:29, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Problem with an external link?

I became aware of General Aviation inc. Flight 115 when it was nominated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. I wanted to add a link to the National Transportation Safety Board's investigation of this airplane crash, but I found when I went to the NTSB's website that I could not get a "normal" link to the document -- instead, the only link that the website provided, as far as I could tell, was a link to download the PDF. [1] I realize that many users, including myself, would prefer not to download a document without warning, so I added "(Download PDF)" to the link description in the external links section. I didn't see anything prohibiting this kind of link in WP:ELNO, but if anyone knows of a more "normal" link to the document, I'd much prefer to use that instead. Can anyone find such a link? If not, is the existing "download" link acceptable? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90: Some articles use Template:Cite web#Using "format=" to say |format=PDF file, direct download, often followed by a size (search). It's not common and I haven't seen a guideline about the issue. If you found a web page with a link to the PDF then you could also link the page and use |at= at Template:Cite web#In-source locations to briefly say how to get the PDF from there. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately, the PDF was only accessible (as far as I could tell) from a search result, which would not have been linkable itself. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:22, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Color-Code a 32-Seeded Bracket

hey, so i was wondering how or if someone can color code on my bracket for winners and losers.

the color code would look like this:

Key
. – Eliminated after Atlanta
. – Eliminated after Chicago
. – Eliminated after Sonoma
. – Eliminated after Dover
. – Eliminated after Indianapolis

thanks! Brycenrichter (talk) 00:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

This appears to be a very strange question/request, Brycenrichter. You seem to be saying that you're wondering how, or if, someone can do what you are here demonstrating. But perhaps I misunderstand. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

yeah, im wondering if its even possible but basically… Brycenrichter (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

When pretty much all sources are not reliable...the curious case of Xavier Cugat

I've been working on the Xavier Cugat biography. A quite famous subject, there is a surprising dearth of reliable sources and information. Or at least the usual reliable sources (WA Post, LA Times, NY Times etc.) have proven to be error ridden and contradictory, at least the usual obituaries of the subject. Partly it is bad reporting, and partly it seems to be that Cugat self-promoted, embellished, told and repeated stories endlessly throughout his career, such that the historical record is hopelessly confused and often fiction. There are many other sources of a popular nature, given the famous subject (blogs, websites, etc) that recount facts, etc. but are similarly often in error, certainly unsourced, and, well, a little trashy; A LOT of other sources just echo material of the Wikipedia article before I got to it. Even the facts in Cugat's own two autobiographies do not seem to hold up to scrutiny. (e.g., Apparently early on, Cugat played the violin for Caruso...maybe.) The best source seems to be that by an academic Galina Bakhtiarova, who explicitly acknowledges this situation. To address the issue and warn article readers, I am contemplating including an "Editor's Note" at the end of the article's first section warning of the fluidity of the facts and contradictory sources. What do you think of this situation? What do you think of the idea of including such a disclaimer? (I've never seen such a thing in a Wikipedia article.) Bdushaw (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your work! Yes, a tricky case. There aren't usually "editors note"s within articles, but if the subject made various dubious or contradictory claims about themselves, mentioning that in the article is certainly appropriate. Longer explanations on the talk page seem a good idea. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 22:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

It seems a good idea ... but on reflection, not one that's likely to succeed in the medium/long term. Some well-meaning editor is very likely to remove it; and those who think it was constructive might not quickly notice the removal, or have the energy to either defend it or to defend it so overwhelmingly as to crush the (well-meant but unsatisfactory) arguments for keeping it. But how about something on the lines of Pointing out problems such as the implausibility of Cugat's claim[reference to superficially convincing newspaper article] that he [blah blah] and the contradiction with a single study[reference to superficially academic source] in claiming that he [blah blah] despite [blah blah], Galina Bakhtiarova concludes that [damning indictment of meretricious sources on Cugat]? -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

While I am here...I have contemplated including the image of the Neptune's Daughter (1949 film) movie poster in the Xavier Cugat article. The image is one of "fair use", which is never quite clear to me what that means. Can the Neptune's Daughter movie poster image be included in the Xavier Cugat article? Is that a proper "fair use"? Such movie posters always include "Xavier Cugat and his Orchestra" in big letters. Thx, and thx for the above suggestions. Bdushaw (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Generally no. "Fair use" are generally only used when there is no known free licensed alternative images that can illustrate a subject. They are usually used in just one article, and if used more than 1 place should have an explanation for fair use in each place used. -- Infrogmation (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

An image is not "(of) fair use". That's a category error. The use of a particular image in a particular article, if that image satsifies various conditions (irreplaceability, small pixel count, etc etc), might be a fair use. Could the use of File:Neptune's daughter poster.jpg in the article on Cugat be a fair use? Probably not, as it's not about Cugat. However, if, say, the article made a big thing of pointing out that Cugat's name was printed in as large a font as those of the stars, it might be. You'd have to add to File:Neptune's daughter poster.jpg a "fair use" rationale for this additional use. -- Hoary (talk) 00:05, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Bdushaw, I would oppose an editor's note. We simply do not address our readers in Wikipedia's voice in articles. Instead, report the discrepancies between sources and let our readers draw their own conclusions: Something like, "According to the Los Angeles Times, Cugat was paid $50,000 for his performance in the XYZ film, but the New York Times reported that it was $30,000". Galina Bakhtiarova is your friend in this venture. You cannot call Cugat a prevaricator and shameless self promoter. But she can, and you can paraphrase what she says and attribute it to her. Cullen328 (talk) 05:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks to you all for your advice - I've been thinking about what to do, and have crafted a paragraph that might work. Happy to have a review of it (middle paragraph of "Early life" section, Xavier Cugat) I enjoy writing biographies - this one has been fun, but entirely challenging to get the facts right, fitting together, and supported. I keep hearing the Wikipedia mantra "...we write what the reliable sources say!", which in this case turns out to be a big mistake! Bdushaw (talk) 05:26, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

error: cite web

what is the error?

<ref name="youtube/omkdv8gz_PM">{{cite web |author1=48south7th |publisher=San Jose Peace and Justice Center |title=Napalm Ladies |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omkdv8gz_PM |via=[[youtube]] |access-date=29 June 2025 |date=12 January 2011}}</ref>

• 48south7th (12 January 2011). "Napalm Ladies". San Jose Peace and Justice Center. Retrieved 29 June 2025 – via youtube.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

Piñanana (talk) 04:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC) Piñanana (talk) 04:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

See the intro section of Category:CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list for an explanation of what triggered the error and how to resolve it. DMacks (talk) 04:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Spurious sfn errors

Why does African humid period suddenly throw a bunch of harv errors even though the codicils seem to match? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:13, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Picking di Lernia (2022) (permalink) as an example, someone changed the author surname in the (apparently) matching long-form citation to Di Lernia (permalink). Don't do that. Surnames and publication dates must exactly match.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I fixed a few, but there seem to be some missing sources. Common problem with short references. DuncanHill (talk) 12:40, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I am working on fixing the rest. Someone has broken sources by removing the editors names used in the sfns. In others, the order of authors has been changed, but the order in the sfns hasn't been changed. I reiterate, sfn is a lousy system, 99% of the editors who like to use it haven't the faintest idea how to make it actually work. DuncanHill (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I have now fixed them all. None were spurious, all were the result of mismatch between the source and the sfn. See here for the changes I made. DuncanHill (talk) 13:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

There were no Harv error messages in the 17:46, 20 June 2025 version, so it seems that the subsequent citation bot cleanups caused the current Harv error messages. Chris Capoccia, did you see the recent edit summaries? "Please install User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js and watchlist Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors to help you spot such errors when reading and editing". TSventon (talk) 13:05, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I fixed a couple of citation template errors too, by looking back to the edit TSventon linked. See here. DuncanHill (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia and its rampage against Israel

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I’ve followed Wikipedia over the years for small snippets of information. However over the past 2 years whether by desire with your current editors, you’ve heavily distorted or allowed it to happen where Israel is mentioned at all in your articles. It’s shocking and quite frankly destroying your reputation as a quick source of information (in this case misinformation). Let’s establish the facts, there was no Palestine before 1948 (only British Mandate of Palestine). Israel is not a colonial state and it’s disgusting you’ve allowed editors to make these assertions. It makes me questio your authenticity and rewriting history to due the agendas of today. 2A00:23C7:DDB8:5F01:10BC:EE44:6047:8241 (talk) 13:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

There is an appropriate place for this discussion which is article's talk page, bringing dicussion here will be futile. Sys64wiki (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki this is incorrect, IPs are not allowed to comment on the Palestine-Israel conflict per WP:CT/A-I. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 14:20, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I did not said they are not allowed to message, please dont say it, but I said "An appropriate place is article's talk page", as this would be much better method to discuss, no? Sys64wiki (talk) 14:22, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Moreover we don't have any rule based on cessation of up editors comments on Israeli and Irani conflicts, extended confirmed limit is for editing but not for making comment. I have to remind you again, Wikipedia is a collaborative platform and we allow at least the comment on such topics Sys64wiki (talk) 15:20, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

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Responding to edit requests at WP:RFPP

Am I allowed to respond to edit requests at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Edit if I have sufficient permissions to edit the pages requested, or are only admins able to respond to these? Justjourney (talk | contribs) 20:34, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

If you are able to make the edits, and consider the requests are justified, then you should go ahead. Maproom (talk) 22:02, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Kyrsten Sinema on List

On List of LGBTQ members of the United States Congress, there is something wrong with the sub-list "Senate": The information for former Senator Kyrsten Sinema is grayed-out. I can only read it when highlighting the text with my cursor. I think this has to do with the fact that she was both a Democrat and an Independent in the Senate, which caused the Wikitext to be gray-out the page. Because I don't know what exactly what happened, I thought I would ask here. Joesom333 (talk) 21:33, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Joesom333: It looked normal to me but there was some unclosed code which may affect browsers differently. Does it loook OK to you after I removed the code [2]? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

It does now. Thank you! Joesom333 (talk) 23:54, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Citing a source with a published-date as well as an updated-date

I am formatting a citation with cite web. The article has a published-date and an updated-date. Published Oct 18, 2004, 12:00am EDT Updated Jun 06, 2013, 12:49pm EDT Cite web appears to only have one place to add a date. For the "|date=" field, should I use the published date or the updated date? Is there another recommended solution? I tried searching the help desk archives, but could not formulate a query that returned something useful. Any suggestions? The article I am referencing: https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/1018/088.html Thank you Adakiko (talk) 23:09, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Adakiko: When I've run into that situation, I've used the date of the updated version in the template, since that's the date of the article as it stood when I read it. An example is the first ref in Leslie Parnas, where the Grove Music Online article was written in 2013 by James Wierzbicki and revised in 2022 by Elizabeth Perten. Deor (talk) 23:23, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Deor: Thank you for your advice. I'll do that. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 23:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Would this article have any chance in a good article nomination?

I'm mainly asking this because, currently, GAN has about 800 articles more or less, so I don't want to waste anyone's (or my) time for something that may autofail. I'm also asking because, even after reading some GAN criteria, I'm still lost and unfamiliar. This is in reference to fishing industry in Peru, a recent article that I made. I spent a lot of time on it as a draft, so I'd like to take it further, but I'm simply unsure if it would have any chance at a GAN, even with the depth of information I have. Would anyone do a quick review and help out? Thank you very much in advance! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 21:36, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't normally involve myself in GAN stuff, but it looks fine to me, from a quick eyeballing. No doubt those more familiar with assessment will find something or other that needs fixing, but meanwhile can I suggest that regardless of whether it is a 'good article' per the criteria, it definitely looks like a good article per normal usage of the phrase. Well done. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:50, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@AndyTheGrump Thanks for the compliment! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:Peer review before making a WP:GAN. TSventon (talk) 22:50, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon Thank you for the suggestion, I was unaware of that feature actually. Thank you and done! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@SonOfYoutubers: I haven't tried WP:PEER myself, but you can see that many of the requests are GAC or FAC related. TSventon (talk) 11:59, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I didn't do an in-depth look, but I'll give a few notes. Every statement made in the article needs to be supported by a citation at GAN, either at the end of the sentence, or at the end of a few sentences if the citation supports all of them. None of the citations should be simple URLs, each one needs enough information to identify the specific page it's citing even if the link doesn't work. Statista is considered unreliable on Wikipedia and shouldn't be used as a source. The "Related organizations and projects" section mostly describes organizations cited by themselves (primary sources), but ideally anything worth including should be cited to a separate secondary source that describes it; I suggest looking for sources about fishing organizations in Peru and just including the ones they describe. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 00:32, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien Thank you for the suggestions! I have removed Statista and replaced the info with a better source and also more up-to-date information. As for the related organizations and projects, I'll see what I can do to try to improve that section. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 05:45, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Question

Can you review my requests on Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects? They haven't been reviewed in a long time.Rafael Hello! 23:02, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

A couple still haven't been reviewed. They're dated 29 June. If the temperature in your kitchen is 30°C, then "since yesterday" is a long time to have left your butter outside your fridge. But as they await review, redirect creation proposals don't turn into butyric acid. -- Hoary (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I dont know what it was but it sounds good while reading. Sys64wiki (talk) 06:47, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Samuel Whiting Jr.

Samuel Whiting Jr.

I accidently removed the "succession box" at the end of the is page. I have found a reference - which is seen now ref number 1 (identical to ref number 6) at the bottom page to support that Samuel Ruggles succeeded Samuel Whiting Jr. as the next minister of Billerica. Please put the "succession box" back at the end of the page. ALSO reference number 6 is in the red - please fix. Brrowbottom (talk) 01:40, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done. On a not totally unrelated note, this user talk page mentions our policy on logged out editing and use of multiple accounts. I wonder if you have anything to say about that. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 03:56, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I was about to do some of that, but D 'n' B beat me to it. I read "access-date=3 May 20255" (a considerable distance in the future). Yes, all of this looks curiously familiar. -- Hoary (talk) 03:59, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Is there a way to automatically make a list of articles without photos for a WikiProject?

Hi! I noticed a lot of the bios related to Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronic literature are missing photos and I would like to ask people to upload photos they've taken of people to Wikimedia Commons. Is there a way to automatically identify all the articles in the WikiProject that are missing photos to motivate people to fill in the gaps? I feel like I've seen this on other WikiProjects but can't find it now. Lijil (talk) 08:30, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Add |needs-photo=yes to the project template(s) on the talk page of the relevant articles (example at Talk:Thomas Bolton (microscopist)).

This will add them to categories like Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people; you can then search for articles that are in both that and the project category. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Try this link to a pre-filled Petscan query, is that what you were after? - X201 (talk) 11:35, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

How to modify column length such that its text at the column header doesn't clip into the next column?

I kind of asked this on the Wikipedia discord server but didn't receive an answer. For National monuments of Singapore, I want to change the width of some of the columns in its list. I've done a trial edit on the "nation monument #" column and I used "! style=max-width:[number]em" per Help:Table/Width. However, it just clips the text in the column header to the column header on its right. I'd like to know how to modify column widths such that it doesn't cause this issue. Thanks! Icepinner (formerly Imbluey2). Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 13:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

You may find more expert advice at WP:VPT.

Please use the subscribe feature, rather than expecting other people to do more clerical work for you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Got it! (don't ping me per your comment)Icepinner (formerly Imbluey2). Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 12:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

best question ever

I have best question ever. Why does Wikipedia suck? Every admin here disagrees with me and everything is so confusing. I am leaving Wikipedia for good. I don't even know why I am editing here. It is a waste of time for me. Rafael Hello! 17:12, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't suck, you have created numerous draft articles that came nowhere near the advice given in WP:YFA. Also, if you are a new user (your account was created in May 2025) it is best not to create new articles until you have gained more experience with editing.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I just don't feel comfortable editing on Wikipedia after all this difficulty. I didn't mean it by it "sucks," I meant it that I don't really belong on Wikipedia anymore. Rafael Hello! 19:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat How about you focus on some easier tasks instead of article creation? Wikipedia:Task Center has some fantastic and rewarding things to do to improve existing articles. qcne (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

1922 Beijing-Han Airlines crash

Hello hello les copains,

At the bottom of this page appears the handsome smile of a certainly very important person, whose relation to the article seems questionable. I did not find how to remove it in the wikicode. Hence, cadeau ! Cordialement, et Hop ! Kikuyu3 (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Kikuyu3 thank you. The large photo had been added to a template, so I have removed it. TSventon (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

How can I add something to a page?

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Steve_Perry. 66.186.109.202 (talk) 23:07, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I have answered your question at the Teahouse. Please only ask in one place in the future. Have a nice day! —Sophocrat (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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Temple Terrace FL

Could someone an error I created. Elevation entry. Accìden̈tly changed something. DMc75771 (talk) 03:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done, DMc75771. Cullen328 (talk) 03:49, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Confusing double single situation

Hello! In October 2024, Poppy released a double single titled "The Cost of Giving Up / Crystallized", and both songs are from her album Negative Spaces. However, in March 2025, "The Cost of Giving Up" was officially sent to radio as a single. How should this be reflected in her discography page? Should it be kept as "The Cost of Giving Up / Crystallized" (2024) or "The Cost of Giving Up" (2025), and what would happen to "Crystallized"? Gabriella Grande (talk) 19:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Gabriella Grande, you might ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pop music. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to be late to the party, Gabriella Grande. My personal opinion is that you should treat the Oct 2024 release and the March 2025 release as two separate entities with two separate entries in the table. This is not based on any written Wikipedia preference that I know of (though there may be one), but solely on my common sense. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.210.159.137 (talk) 22:13, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

No worries, and thank you! Gabriella Grande (talk) 19:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Help

How coulf I fix this? bcl:Module:Documentation? Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 04:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@ShiminUfesoj You are at the English language Wikipedia, which is a different project from the Central Bikol Wikipedia. You will need to ask there. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

The problem is, no one knows how because it's just a small Wikipedia project, not that many people edit it.. I'm just hoping someone can help with this. Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 08:41, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @ShiminUfesoj. I'm not very familiar with Lua, but it looks to me as if the call to message() is looking its first argument up in an array called cfg[]. At 144, the call is message ('container'); which means that it is trying to look up the entry cfg['container'], and not finding it.

Array cfg is populated by

mw.loadData('Module:Documentation/config')

My guess (and it's only a guess) is that somebody has copied the lua module over to bcl-wiki, without copying (or, rather, translating) its config file.

I'm afraid I can't help you beyond that. You might find Wikipedia:Lua has something useful, or else ask at WP:VPT. Make it clear in your question that though this is in a different Wikipedia, it's a question about modules. ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@ShiminUfesoj: I don't know Lua but the error message mentions cfg.container. Module:Documentation/config sets cfg['container'] and bcl:Module:Documentation/config does not. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Shantavira: Volunteers on English Wikipedia regularly—and very generously—help out with technical issues on other Wikimedia projects. Please bear that in mind in future, when answering such questions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

--Thank you guys for the help, I found out someone module missing so I'll create that one... --Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 00:08, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Map cordinate system

Hi, I see I can see a map and location Battle of Rozgony + London Could you explain how works this? How can I do the same for any location? OrionNimrod (talk) 11:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're asking; please can you rephrase the question, and elaborate? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

In the infobox, you can see maps in many articles and red point which marks the location on the map. I do not know how can I do the same or how works this. OrionNimrod (talk) 12:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Probably I found it Template:Location map + Template:Location map/List + Module:Location map/data/Hungary OrionNimrod (talk) 13:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

About for Polcasan

Dear All, Can you help me to create page for Polcasan. It's not a commercial nor advertisement . English is not my native language . So,I need your help. Polcasan is a adorable mascot.That why i want to write for him. He is very famous in Thai. Please Help. NMCapri (talk) 11:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

You Draft:Polcasan was declined and you seem to have re-submitted it. It will, I predict, be declined again as it has insufficient reliable sources. If English is not your first language, why not try to create an equivalent article in the Wikipedia language you are fluent in? Do not use a chatbot to do so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@NMCapri Please do not remove threads from the Help Desk as you did recently Even if no longer useful to you, the information may help others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia page creation

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hello, i am trying to create a page but my draft get rejected due to insufficient sources and references also so i just need to know about references and sources and how we draft, what thing mandatory. Please update me as soon as possible Sonali Nawale (talk) 19:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Sonali Nawale

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia.

LIke many people who try the challenging task of creating a new article without first learning how Wikipedia works, you have written Draft:Jeanne Bender backwards: you wrote what you knew, and then looked for sources.

The effective way to write articles is first to find suitable sources (see WP:42), and then to write a summary of what those sources say. Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows) unless it is verified by a reliable published source. ColinFine (talk) 19:56, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia! You should see WP:Your first article. Since you are a newer editor, I recommend using WP:Teahouse instead of the help desk. Happy editing! Rafael Hello! 00:45, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sonali Nawale, and Wikipedia is not the place to write your CV anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:09, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

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help

What is the format to request an article deletion? Rafael Hello! 00:34, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

see WP:PROD. Sys64wiki (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat: While WP:PROD is one option, it can be removed by any user – if that gets declined, you can nominate the article to WP:AFD for a more in-depth discussion. You can install WP:Twinkle to make the AfD nomination. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:06, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

How can we not tolerate a no place for hate schools?

It’s all about love and kindness. 2601:582:C683:C0C0:FD01:3633:AE97:A0EC (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Your question is unclear. Please rephrase it, and say how it relates to editing Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry

For the editors of the Article "Untitled Trey Parker Film", I've come to apologize if I did something wrong. I did not mean to spam, but warn users of what was happening. Can it count as spam? Gnu779 ( talk) 13:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm only just a learner, a type of user between Newcomers and Experienced ones. I have to learn from these mistakes. I wanted to prevent a big edit war at that article, but the only thing was that... eh... Gnu779 ( talk) 13:49, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Gnu779: I think you probably left too many messages and as I have not looked into the history of Untitled Trey Parker film they don't make much sense to me. You could have posted on the article talk page and WP:Pinged other editors. Bearcat responded to your message by WP:Semiprotection of the article, so you could have tried WP:Requests for page protection instead. TSventon (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, but the thing I was trying was warning the users about what was happening. I've now learned a big lesson. Gnu779 ( talk) 15:15, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Gnu779: OK, you've made a mistake. That is to be expected. If you learn from it and don't repeat it, then it shouldn't affect your career as a Wikipedia editor. Mjroots (talk) 09:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank God. From now on, when I see events like this, I'll report to protection. Gnu779 ( talk) 15:37, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Nominating a commons file for deletion

I want to nominate a file for discussion, but I can't use Twinkle for some reason, even though I have it, and also cannot edit it to place a template, since it says "View on Commons". RaschenTechner (talk) 15:08, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@RaschenTechner If the file is hosted on Commons, it has to be deleted there. See c:Commons:Deletion_policy for the options. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

... you can, of course, edit any article in which it appears to remove it from display in that article. Explain in your edit summary why you are doing so and prepare to be reverted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't know if I have the required user rights on Commons to do so or if I will get blocked by an edit filter for "temporary sockpuppetry" as a false positive. RaschenTechner (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm replying to your first comment, not your secont one. RaschenTechner (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

• second one

RaschenTechner (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Only admins on Commons can delete files there. To set that off, you have to propose the file for deletion in the various ways the page I linked explains. To give you more advice here it would help if you named the file in question and why you think it needs to be deleted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I meant that I don't know if I have the required user rights to request deletion. RaschenTechner (talk) 17:19, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

No user rights are required to request deletion on Commons. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Even more confusion

I wanted to make a afd called Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rapolas because I wanted to merge it with Raphael (given name). Most people said "keep" because it is a name page. Many people, mainly User:ExRat said it so rudely too. So I decided to make an article called draft:Rafael (name page) that was also a cognate of Raphael (given name) but it got declined because it could be merged with Raphael (given name). This makes no sense. Please someone do something about this. Rafael Hello! 16:33, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I see zero rudeness in ExRat's comments. I see someone who posted comments disagreeing with you, strongly, using multiple wikipedia guidelines and similar bases, and asking questions about your position. That sounds like a pretty standard way that people discuss or debate an idea based on the idea's merits. I see that you have had many article-drafts declined and are facing strong opposition for other proposals you have made. I recommend you take their concerns to heart rather than keeping doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you think someone is behaving poorly, the very first step is to discuss it directly with them, being sure to state exactly what words they used that you felt were a problem. DMacks (talk) 16:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

If you wanted to merge two articles, you should have proposed a merger, not a deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:17, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm one of the !voters who voted against your proposition. The names are simply too different. Your draft got declined because there are already numerous Rafaels listed in Raphael (given name)#Rafael, though either keeping them together or splitting them off is generally considered acceptable. (Also, the disambiguation "name page" is non-standard.) In fact, I will do the split, since there are separate dab pages, Raphael (disambiguation) and Rafael. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Reverse hat-note?

I have added a hat-note using {{For}} to the existing article for the novel Stone and Sky, pointing to Rivers of London (book series), which now includes a novel of the same name. I feel that a 'reverse' hat-note (from Rivers... to Stone and Sky) would not make sense, as the new Stone and Sky is only a small item in the whole article. Is there an appropriate note that can be added to the Rivers... article, perhaps at the point where Stone and Sky is listed? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 18:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Verbarson. I can't see the point of this. The purpose of a hatnote is to say "If you came here looking for Y instead of X, this is where you'll find it". But I can't think of any circumstances in which somebody will be looking in Rivers of London for the other Stone and Sky. ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine:, you are probably right. I'm too concerned with cross-referencing everything. We haven't even got an article on at least one other novel of the same name by Z S Diamanti (no author article either). -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 19:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Longest non-unique string at the beginning of Article name?

While having the search tool display multiple options as I typed in a Muslim historical name, I was wondering what the longest string at the beginning of an article name that isn't Unique? For example, I know it is at least 18 since both George Washington University and George Washington Carver start with the same 18 characters. I *guess* this could be done with repeated database queries looking for a substring with count > 1, but that seems ugly. Any ideas how to get that information?Naraht (talk) 10:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Naraht: Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles. with a period at the end was moved back to Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles without the period. That left behind a redirect which doesn't qualify but I found it amusing. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:38, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_records#Title length suggests that another (rather boring) candidate is an article starting Lopado­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio....etc. and its redirect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

2025 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles (46 characters) and 2025 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles qualifying are the longest article titles I could think of but there are probably many longer. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Beach volleyball at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's qualification and Beach volleyball at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament gives 55. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

The longest pair of mainspace non-redirect titles are American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Commercial and American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Non-Commercial at 137 characters. Next-longest is a set of three at 130 characters, Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Animated Long Form Broadcast Media, Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Documentary Broadcast Media, and Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Feature Film Broadcast Media. —Cryptic 12:03, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

CS1 error colour

Is it just me, or have all the helpfully obvious CS1 maint error messages, that were in bright red, recently turned green and lost themselves among the redirects in references? Can I do anything to make them stand out again? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 12:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

cs1|2 emits messages in two colors: error messages and maintenance messages. If bright red was ever used for message coloring, it was a long time ago. There have been no recent changes to cs1|2 respecting message color.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Verbarson: Redirects are blue like normal links by default. You change them to green in User:Verbarson/common.css. You could pick another color, or change color of CS1 maintenance messages like this:

.mw-parser-output span.cs1-maint {color: pink;}

Or just add color: pink; inside {...} of your existing cs1-maint code. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter and Trappist the monk:, thank you for your information and advice. It is probably the case that I have seen CS1 error messages in the past which have set my expectations, but I'm currently dealing with a large batch of CS1 maintenance messages which subvert those expectations. I will probably change the colour for the maintenance messages as suggested. Thanks again. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 14:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Article for review

I created this article The Green Tie on the Little Yellow Dog some months ago. It has never been reviewed/approved, and I wonder how I could ask for this to be done? It doesn't appear on Google searches and I presume that this is because it is still not officially approved in some way. Thanks, Bosmeor Bosmeor (talk) 16:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bosmeor The logs show that it was reviewed in May. My advice would be to make a minor edit to it, since search engines tend to notice that and can now index it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks a ton, that seems to have done the trick! Bosmeor (talk) 09:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Afghan pm

Why Hasan Akhund is always acting indefinitely with no removal of such label? @ChildrenWillListen 180.252.114.59 (talk) 04:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but if you're asking me why I reverted you edit, it's because of your edit summary combined with the fact that wikilinking Acting isn't the right thing to do there. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Alright, I think I figured out what you want. In English, the word acting when used as an adjective means that the person is currently assuming the role of someone, in this case as the Prime Minister of Afghanistan. It does not mean that the subject is an actor, as in someone who acts. I hope this helps. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:15, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

The afghan pm is no longer acting anymore despite nearly four years of experience. 182.253.58.236 (talk) 05:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@ChildrenWillListen 182.253.58.236 (talk) 05:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's not what that word means in this case. In this context, it means that the person is currently assuming the role of the Prime Minister of Afghanistan, which Hasan Akhund is. I can try to provide an exact translation into your native language if you are inclined. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:41, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Never mind, your edits suggest that you are trolling. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

yes i admit that. The problem is that the statement about hasa akhund is an acting pm of afghanistan but not outgoing still irritates me because after nearly 4 years of experience he is still acting with no possibility removal of such label. @ChildrenWillListen 182.253.58.236 (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's not a Wikipedia problem. Also, trolling can get you blocked from the project, please stop. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:53, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't see any trolling; OP has edited the article in good faith, regarding this matter. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I based my accusations on this edit. They also admitted to trolling in the reply above. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 15:26, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Given the entirety of the comment, I read that admission as a reply not to your accusation of trolling, but to "it means that the person is currently assuming the role of the Prime Minister of Afghanistan, which Hasan Akhund is".

The diff you link to appears to show a good-faith attempt to add a missing external link, on an article about a website. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

The IP has been blocked now. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 17:46, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

It is possible to hold a position on an acting basis for some time- Jane Swift was acting governor of Massachusetts for almost two years because that US state has no provision to actually fill a vacancy in the office of governor. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

We don't make such decisions; we go by what reliable sources say. If you can find a source that says Akhund is no longer acting (but has been appointed or elected to the role in full; or left it), then the article can say so.

Until and unless we have such a source, your change cannot remain. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Concern about lack of neutrality in lead paragraph (NPOV Violation)

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I would like to raise a concern about the current phrasing in the lead section of the article on Zionism, particularly the sentence: “Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.” This wording appears to violate Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View (NPOV) policy. It presents a controversial and highly interpretive historical judgment as an undisputed fact. While certain individuals and factions within the Zionist movement may have held such views or pursued related policies at various times, this claim is not representative of all forms or periods of Zionism, nor is it properly contextualized or attributed to reliable sources in this wording. Frau Hasenfee (talk) 10:18, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

That's one to raise on the article's talk page. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 10:35, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Has already been raised on the talk-page by an IP; for now the talk-page is ec-protected, though. Also, it is a contentious topic (Arab-Israeli conflict). Lectonar (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I would have raised this on the article’s talk page if I could, but I don’t have access to it. Still, I wanted to draw attention to the issue. Frau Hasenfee (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

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Misinformation

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Moved from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities § Misinformation

 – Aaron Liu (talk) 01:05, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Why is nobody doing anything about people erasing actual factual, history and blatant antisemitism? This is absolutely unethical. 2001:1970:48AD:9200:0:0:0:B2F1 (talk) 22:29, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Is there a particular instance of misinformation you are referring to? Please share. We can’t combat it if we don’t know about it. Blueboar (talk) 22:55, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Are you talking about promoting antisemitism, or erasing it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:28, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Antisemitism can touch on the Arab-Israeli conflict, a formally designated contentious topic that requires an extended-confirmed account to edit in. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

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Machine Translation Cross-checking?

Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) § Machine Translation Cross-checking?

 – Aaron Liu (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

The Future I Saw has {{AI-generated}}, which it does –a Mainichi Shimbun headline translated. I had used DeepSeek, ChatGPT, and LMArena and simply chose what was to my eyes the most informative, comprehensive one. Given the innate subjectivity, what would be best practice? Including the best two, three, or four? kencf0618 (talk) 01:55, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Translating a headline imho isn't a big enough issue for an article-level cleanup banner, although it is best if someone fluent in Japanese can double-check it. Citing ChatGPT as a source for the translation isn't needed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:59, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Peetel Was the machine-translated headline the only reason you added the LLM tag? If so, that tag is usually and was created for substantial portions of the article's text being AI-generated, not for foreign-language sources being machine-translated, especially not just a headline. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I added that based on the unabridged chatgpt citation, I assumed a wide section was LLM generated. Apologies if this is wrong, feel free to remove. Peetel (talk) 08:42, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

My Newspaper information not show inwikipedia

Saurashtra Update Weekly Newspaper has been published regularly for the last 10 years and its owner, printer, and editor are Mr. Isabhai Hussainbhai Darvesh (Yusufbhai), 2409:40C1:100A:EEBC:7427:C2FF:FEF7:910F (talk) 10:13, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a database of things that exist. There are criteria for inclusion, which we call notability. A Wikipedia article about a newspaper or any business must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it is a notable organization. Writing a new article is very challenging, and it's harder even with a conflict of interest and paid status as you would have with your newspaper. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Intelligent agent, Agentic AI, and Autonomous agent

There is a proposal to merge the first two, but what about the 3rd one. To me, it looks like it describe exactly the same thing.

I'm not sure how to propose to merge all 3 into one. jcubic (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

There might be a better way, but I suggest just starting two different merge proposals, which would allow the two proposals/articles to be better discussed independently. GoldRomean (talk) 15:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Is there a way to opt into A/B tests within the iOS app?

I’m wanting to test the Wikipedia tabbed browsing feature that was added a bit ago on the iOS app. Is there a way to forcefully enable it even though I’m not in one of the testing groups? From D0nk M3m3s (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Only way it is to possibly create a new account and delete the app but not sure if it will work Isla🏳️‍⚧ 00:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft pages (query)

I usually create draft pages in my sandbox. But can someone remind me how to create a draft page so that it shows anyone else who tries to start a page with that name that there's already a draft. (nb. I'm not trying to go through AfC.)

Is it that you get that option if you click an (existing) link for the uncreated page?

Thx. MmeMaigret (talk) 05:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Mmemaigret It's best to follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm an experienced editor. I asked if anyone knew how to replicate a specific function. Is there a reason you chose to give me unsolicited advice that specifically ignored my proviso. I mean, I could understand if the answer is "that is only possible to do using AfC". MmeMaigret (talk) 08:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

You solicited a reminder, MmeMaigret. In response, Shantavira gave you good advice. -- Hoary (talk) 08:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

In other words, you don't know how to do it either? MmeMaigret (talk) 08:58, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I believe that happens when there's a draft in the draft namespace. You can use that namespace without using AfC. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 08:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks heaps. MmeMaigret (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Otch Cherilus American Basketball Player

Otch Cherilus is a 6'3 class of 2025 recruit he plays the guard position at PG/SG, he's known for his ability to shoot the ball, explosiveness to attack the rim, elite court vision Otch plays with precision which he averaged 17ppg ,5.2 apg his senior year he also committed to Georgia Tech during May of 2025 where he will go on to play his guard role for the the team he also had 28 offers with other big schools like Auburn, Texas A&M , and UCF the Wellington FL, Guard is league bound and also has got recognition from former NBA player Brandon Jennings. Funfact Otch attended Oak Hill (VA) for 2 months around may of 2023 for Basketball. Another Funfact Otch also has relations to Auburn Basketball star Tahaad Pettiford. Another Funfact about Otch he has a long wingspan measured at 6'9 he also wears a size 14 in basketball shoes. 172.58.129.47 (talk) 04:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

This is a page where people can ask for help editing (or reading) Wikipedia. If you're asking for help, then help in doing what? -- Hoary (talk) 07:58, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Pageview question

I know how to access the page views of articles, but I'm interested in seeing what the most viewed pages that are not in mainspace. The reason why I am asking this question is because I am thinking about proposing WP:Contents for removal from the sidebar, but I'm wondering if the reason why it has the page views it has is because it is easily accessible on the sidebar. I don't really see a point in having a directory of articles when you can just search for articles especially since there is no directory for biographies. Hope you can help. Please ping me when you respond. Interstellarity (talk) 00:59, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: I only know https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/topviews. Disable "Show only mainspace pages" and write wikipedia: in the search field to see currently four pages in the overall top-1000. file: also gives four but I doubt it's human views. help: and portal: give one. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thank you. I'll look into it. Interstellarity (talk) 12:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Biographies are under Wikipedia:Contents/People and self. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Kevin Prudente

Kevin Prudente. Kevinnnx93 (talk) 23:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kevinnnx93 What about it? Do you have a question? How can we help you? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 23:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I clicked on the edit button and didn't understand any of what showed up. Can you better explain it to me, please? 66.186.109.202 (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

First off, ip, are you and @Kevinnnx93 the same person? If so, please try to only edit logged in so that we know who we are talking to and so that you get notifications when someone replies to you.

Second, it would help to know with a little more specificity what it is you don't understand, and if you are using source editing or visual editing.

I'm going to hazard a guess that you are editing the source code and don't understand the markup. The easiest way to switch between editing the source code and editing a what-you-see-is-what-you-get version is to click the pencil icon in the top right corner, which lets you toggle between the two. Select "visual editing" and you may be better able to understand what is on the screen. That said, I would recommend trying to get a feel for wikicode if you plan on sticking around.

Let me know if that helps. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:05, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

In the mean time, I'm going to move the page Kevin Prudente to your userspace. It is not currently in any condition to be in the encyclopedia, and in your userspace you can play around with it at your leisure. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:08, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Kevinnnx93 Kevin Prudente Answer — Yes Kevinnnx93 (talk) 00:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kevinnnx93 You can now find it at User:Kevinnnx93/Kevin Prudente. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:09, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Adding Myka Relocate to 2025 in heavy metal music

In an attempt to add Myka Relocate to 2025 in heavy metal music using Songkick and Eventbrite as references, I have been reverted twice. Would evidence of concerts performed by the band not be sufficient to prove a reunion, even if those sources cannot be the ONLY references in an actual article? Also, I have linked this discussion from three different talk pages. Is there any way that I can get more eyes on this section? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Jax 0677, you have discussed the issue on the article's talk page. Let's hope that those who reverted your edits, TheSickBehemoth and SirZPthundergod9001, respond there. Maproom (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

New Article

I have produced an article in my sandbox User:Jhessler/sandbox

and would like to know how to move it along---there is no "move" button visible in my tools.

Thanks Biomap (talk) 09:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

You have linked to a draft posted to the sandbox of another account- do you operate both accounts? New accounts cannot directly create articles(this is why you can't see the Move button). Typically a draft is submitted via the Article Wizard from Draft space, the preferred location for drafts. We can move it to draft space for you. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

That would be great if you could move the draft forward Biomap (talk) 09:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Biomap I will; do you operate both accounts? (which then would beg the question as to if you are the scientist) 331dot (talk) 09:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Now at Draft:John W. Hessler. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

The usual advice regarding WP:COI, WP:BOSS and WP:FAMOUS applies here. Also, in its current form, this would not come anywhere near being accepted as an article. See WP:YFA for more advice.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Unable to Login

Already posted at the teahouse
Hello, this is User:Ridge Runner. I've been trying for months now to get logged back into Wikipedia, to no avail. I didn't change my password, but now when I go to login, it says, "Incorrect username or password entered. Please try again." Requests for lost password help are not making it to my e-mail address. Can anyone help me, please? 138.43.149.142 (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Alice Elizabeth Nye Sorrell

Name of teacher and journalist whose biography was published in 2019 entitled, " She Roared in Classroom 250". 2603:8081:50F0:81E0:45C:8A81:C22C:6E7F (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't even know if this is an assertion, a question, or something else. Anyway, do you have a question about (or are you asking for help in) using Wikipedia? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Adding and editing content on fishes of the world

I am a professor of fish biology at a university, where I teach an upper division class on Fish Biology. Each year, 150 students will write original species accounts, including biology, life history and taxonomy of a fish species. Last year, we wrote these up as Wikis and posted them to Wikipedia. It was a great project that really improved the Wiki resource for the public, and allowed the students to improve scicomm skills. However, there was much frustration from students about the difficulty of using correctly cited images from the scientific literature. I could use guidance on how we can use scanned images from journal articles, which was difficult even when we used open source material, correctly cited. I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. Is there a way I can work with editors to anticipate this effort and reduce confusion? Thanks. N. Mercedis (talk) 08:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

However, there was much frustration from students about the difficulty of using correctly cited images from the scientific literature, can you cite those material here, the images your students used? What caused the frustration?

You can not add scanned images without giving authenticity of publisher or creators of the material, also,such as their consent from their part that they are allowing you to publish it. Even if you have created those inages by your own consciousness, there is some clarification that are still required. Though, due to lack of any historical references, I am quite confused from your question.

As you said, the reasearchs were performed by your students, which classifies Original research, which is often condemned if not backed by verifiable sources.

I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. A mature response for this would be that "its very classic thing". Wikipedia, with quite large amount of edits, often changes its article content from time to time, time spanning within minutes to year. so if your students' edits were removed or were dumped under new edits, that's expected.

Please answer if that's what you meant. Kangarooblock 09:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

The problem with using images is copyright. Wikipedia generally needs images to be under licences that allow free re-use for any purpose, including commercial. If your students wish to take their own photographs and upload them to Wikimedia Commons under a suitable licence, then great. Other than that, use images already uploaded to Commons. Mjroots (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

..or use images that are already under an acceptable free licence per c:COM:L. These typically include images from open-licensed scientific papers, or with an open licence on sites like iNaturalist (note that not all of their images are under open licence).

If OP or their students are not sure whether a particular image or set of images are suitably licensed, ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kangarooblock: Where does N. Mercedis say "reasearchs [SIC] were performed by [their] students"? They say nothing about edits being rejected for being poorly cited, and refer quite clearly to using "open source material, correctly cited" for media; why do you suppose that they do not do so for text? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki: - and please fix your sig so that it displays your username. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

i think your consciousness tells you I am bit confused by op question but I tried to explain him as much as possible. Kangarooblock 15:31, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis, have you read WP:Student assignments? There's good guidance there for educators. Additionally, if your university is located in the US, you're probably eligible for the Wikipedia:Education program, which provides extra support to instructors and students. That includes providing structure that helps other editors understand that there's a student assignment involved. -- Avocado (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

You may also find Wikipedia:WikiProject Fishes useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis: Thanks for your efforts. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis: Copyright law is very restrictive, and we follow the law. The complexities are not somethin we made up: they follow from the law, and they really impede all of us. If the image is from a journal, we cannot in general use it. The hassles of getting a journal image under a suitable copyright license are likely too much for a student project. Your student might be able to get the original author of the journal paper to upload an original image to Wikipedia. If the journal published the image under a suitable open license, then the mechanics are still a bit complicated but are reasonably easy to handle if you use the Wikipedia:File upload wizard. If it's too cokmplicated, put a linmk to the free image into the talk page of your new article and ask for help. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis: Articles on Wikipedia will be modified by other editors. This is fundamental to the Wikipedia philosophy and is radically different from the way science has been published in the past. If you are trying to teach students to produce papers for journals, then this is not for you. Instead, set up a web site that you can control and do not allow random editing. Your students can publish there with no interference. If your site runs the same Wikimedia software we use here, your students can easily copy their work from that site onto Wikipedia. Our "anybody can edit" philosophy has worked for 20 years and has resulted in by far the largest and (arguably) best encyclopedia that has ever existed. I hope you urge your students to monitor changes to the articles and discuss those changes on the article's talk pages to reach consensus with the "meddling" editors. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I see nothing in N. Mercedis's post which suggests they were "trying to teach students to produce papers for journals", or edit Wikipedia in "the way science has been published in the past", or that they are complaining that other people have edited their students' work. Their students are welcome to contribute to Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I inferred this, possibly incorrectly, from "I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. Is there a way I can work with editors to anticipate this effort and reduce confusion?" In any event, the students must learn how the Wikipedia "anyone can edit" philosophy is supposed to work. They should not be trying to change the behavior of all of the other editors. -Arch dude (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Where is "anyone can edit" contradicted? The students are "anyone"; they edited, some other people didn't like that.

If those other editors are being unreasonable, why not try to change that behaviour? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:56, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Regarding using images from published works, see c:Commons:Uploading works by a third party. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:51, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Andy with all respect I don't think you are supposed to act too smart and don't respect others contribution. Even if they are not dancing telling them to dance appropriately doesn't mean I am supposed to shoot myself, is it?

Also "Each year, 150 students will write original species accounts, including biology, life history and taxonomy of a fish species" refers to the fact he meant research that his students conducted and nothing I told him is useless or unilateral. Please for god sake behave like an experienced editor. Kangarooblock 15:28, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

It does not; and I'd rather be "too smart" than "not smart enough". YMMV.

I can barely parse most of your post; it appears to be gibberish. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:59, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Also I am free to use sigs as long as they are not hateful or censored words. I appreciate your intelligence. Kangarooblock 15:29, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I want to second the advice from Avocado, to read WP:ASSIGN, and to make use of WP:Education Program. I see from your user page that you are at UC Davis, so as an instructor in the US, you are entitled to, and should definitely make use of, that program. It will be very beneficial to your students. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Tryptofish! Yes, N. Mercedis, please do reach out to us at m:Wiki Education Foundation, at teach.wikiedu.org. We offer free support, just like you're requesting here, and would be happy to help you and your students. --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Name lists

I was editing Małgorzata and I wasn't able to find a guideline for {{infobox name}} (e.g. where to write etymology, pronunciation...) and how to write pseudonyms (e.g. pipe tricks or not) in these lists. Could you help me?-- Carnby (talk) 04:41, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Carnby The full parameter list for the template is at the link you provided. It has examples in the documentation that you can follow. The parameters for the etymology are a combination of origin and derivation parameters whereas pronunciation is an individual parameter. You can use "what links here" on the template page to find more examples than are listed on that page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but must we write two times the surname pronunciation and etymology or only once? Is there a guideline about how to write pseudonyms in lists (i.e. with pipe tricks or not?)-- Carnby (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

How to find books

books 41.122.131.205 (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Ask your local librarian? What books are you looking for? 331dot (talk) 08:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Or try a bookstore (or clarify your question). Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:44, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:Unusual requests. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 08:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If you want them for editing Wikipedia, see WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Is it possible

Is it possible to reduce frequent changes being made by multiple editors that keep inadvertently introducing significant factual accuracies where precision is required

On a fast evolving page, well meaning and often mostly helpful edits are being made, but in doing so the precise, accurately referenced wording is being changed so that it becomes erroneous. Sometimes this is changes made by users who have simply made assumptions themselves about the facts (and even more or less admit it), sometimes it's using lower quality sources that are inadequately accurate, often it is changing wording without realising that they are changing the meaning and the difference is legally very important. Overall the page relates to a contentious issue so is subject to single revert per day restrictions and is Extended confirmed protected. Since legislation has a definitive governmental reference to cite, there is no doubt at all about its wording, but editors make changes without the significant effort of reading the referenced legislation and multiple times over in a few days the changes have also deleted the references when they change the wording. It is extremely time-consuming gently and politely restoring legal accuracy to this section, and the changes are being made so frequently that correcting it risks breaking the 1RR. It's an important source of information for people needing to find a quick summary of what can and can't be done without breaking newly imposed and very serious offences, so maintaining accuracy is important. This part of the article is not the contentious content, and mostly the contentious topics are being successfully edited with reasonableness and a degree of discussion to resolve differences of opinion without edit warring. The difficulty I am having is maintaining the accuracy of the non-contentious part. Politely explaining the corrections is usually sufficient to dissuade the same editor from immediately reintroducing the same error, but within a few hours another factual error will have been introduced by an editor.

Is there a way to add extra protection to a part of an article?

Thanks SciberDoc (talk) 11:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

It would help to know which article you are talking about- but if you can make a case that extended-confirmed is insufficient protection, you may ask for admin-only protection at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 11:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Presumably Palestine Action, which would also come under Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict editing restrictions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Full protection in the mainspace

I know that there have been at least 2 cases of full-protected articles, so I have a little idea. Each time someone protects an article so that only certain users can edit it, the admin needs to go and update a page which says:

x semi-protections x EC protections x full protections

where x is the number of protections at this level. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 08:29, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Such a requirement is news to me......where is that written down? 331dot (talk) 08:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

In this post. I'll make the page in my userspace and link it in my next post. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 08:44, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@Starfall2015: Do you mean an all-time count which includes expired protections? Here are the currently fully protected mainspace pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:58, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's done automatically, it doesn't need to be manually done by admins, a time consuming endeavor. 331dot (talk) 11:04, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I know - I will rebrand it as a stat watch using the magic words.

As of this post, there are 7,031,285 articles on the English Wikipedia. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 13:06, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Creating an article for an author

 Courtesy link: Draft:John B. Friedman

Hello! I'm creating a Wikipedia page for an author I've worked with in the past. It's in my sandbox. Many of the articles he wrote were print and are now difficult to find online references to. Will it be okay if I don't have a citation for every single one? When I'm ready will I be able to move this to it's own page so it's public and not in my sandbox? Thanks! Lbirdsall (talk) 20:57, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Lbirdsall: You shouldn't be citing anything he wrote anyway. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 21:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, see the comments in the section #What is the minimum needed for my wiki page? - many of them apply here. --CiaPan (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Fixed the section wikilink above. --CiaPan (talk) 20:49, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

There are major issues here, Lbirdsall. Three lesser ones: (i) No need to SHOUT. (ii) Italicizing is easy. (iii) Very few books have "forwards" (although I have spotted one or two); many have "forewords". But please don't despair: your proposed subject does merit an article. -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I need to do a formatting pass, but I'll definitely address these :) Lbirdsall (talk) 13:24, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I could try answering a question, Lbirdsall. You don't need an independent source for a claim that such and such an article was published. As an example, “Harry the Haywarde and Talbat his dog: An Illustrated Girdlebook from Worcestershire,” in Carol Fisher and Kathleen Scott, eds., Art into Life. Collected Papers from the Kresge Art Museum Medieval Symposia (East Lansing: Michigan State University Press, l995), pp. 115-53. provides evidence for its own existence. However: (i) It's not as helpful as it could be. The book surely has an ISBN; please provide it. If the paper has a DOI (less likely), provide that too. (ii) It's unusual for an article about an academic to be equipped with a list of their papers (as opposed to their books). Better just to list the papers that are most widely cited or otherwise unusually important. (iii) If this is copied from somewhere (and "l995" looks like an OCR error), the source should be acknowledged. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

In addition to the above, some other points: Concentrate on providing citations for each statement in the prose parts of your draft, describing the subject's life. It will not be published without them!

For lists (numbered or otherwise), use the tool in the editing panel, don't number (or bullet) them manually.

What does the initial " B." stand for?

Pay attention to the errors showing on your existing references.

I've added a {{Reflist}} template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

People keep deleting my edits

Hi - I am trying to make edits (add new book and new podcast plus some references) to my professor's wiki page... every time I make the edits, someone deletes them. Can you advise? Kirstiehepburn (talk) 11:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Kirstiehepburn Hello and welcome. Your account edit history indicates you haven't edited Paul Dolan (behavioural scientist) since 2021, but an IP edited it the other day- if that was you, remember to log in when posting. Those edits have been restored.

You should disclose a conflict of interest if you are editing about your professor. If they are giving you class credit for your edits, that would be considered paid editing that needs to be disclosed as well. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi - I work for him - it isn’t a class credit scenario. Thank you for your help. Noted on conflict of interest declaration. 2A02:C7C:D37D:2D00:AC58:9E69:35E7:ED56 (talk) 11:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If you work for him, that is also paid editing, and you MUST comply with our policy on such. You may find WP:BOSS and WP:About you useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Again, please log in when posting, so your posts are properly attributed to you. 331dot (talk) 11:35, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Kirstiehepburn. Whether or not you count as a paid editor, you clearly have a conflict of interest, and should not therefore be directly editing the article, but instead should raise edit requests, so that an uninvolved editor can make the decision.

Several of your edits added external links, which are almost never acceptable in text. One linked to a search result, which are not acceptable as a citation. ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Website customization (most-visited_art_museum)

Ladies and gentlemen, I have a request. The following link lists the visitor numbers of all museums worldwide. If you look at the ranking, something is mixed up or incorrectly programmed. The visitor numbers are not correctly listed in the ranking. I would be very grateful if someone could fix this. Thank you very much for this and for your voluntary work. 

List of most-visited art museums. TOOBWI (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@TOOBWI: What you linked is an older revision of the article. You can find the current revision at List of most-visited art museums. Is the problem still present in the current revision? -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 13:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

yes i think so, look after 26. 117.237.4.84 (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I see it now. You can sort the list by rank by clicking the "Rank in 2024" heading, (that should probably be the default sorting here) but there are still other problems with this article. Some ranks are seemingly missing. Also, the section and table headings both mention 2024, yet some of the numbers actually in the list are from 2023. This article certainly needs some attention from an interested editor. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 13:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Link fixed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:20, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

America

Why are US politicians called American? America is North and South of which the US is a small part. 2001:8003:482E:8B00:B8C4:542B:FF7B:D2B8 (talk) 11:54, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Please see Americans for the answer to your question, "Americans are the citizens and nationals of the United States of America", which includes politicians. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't live in America or have anything to do with it in recent time but from historical references, I think you might be confusing "American" with American islands or more politically put "The Americas", which are continents. American is a term used in United States of America, because no other country in the very continent despite many similarities uses America in anywhere in its formal title, so US proudly takes the term for itself and its citizens. More importantly since Usians or Unitedian does not seems a good word to specify nationality they used American which seems to be more logical and resembles classic naming term such as Russian for Russia and Indian for India, and is not just used by politicians but whole population that live their with US citizenship.

For example Spanish speakers sometimes say "estadounidense" to refer. And also, because this is very old term.

PS that's what my historical knowledge says. [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 12:47, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

We Canadians, the Mexicans, etc. do not like to be called Americans, most especially these days. Also, we don't refer to USSR politicians either. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Had a icon to listen to my topic s I my watch list. It seems that opion has been removed. How do I reset the listen option,?

how to reset the listen to my topic in my watchlist? Brublancc253 (talk) 22:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

if you meant to remove watching an article, simply go to the article page and untick the star or watch this page. if by topic you mean "stopping receive notifications from an ongoing discussion", look for subscribed in the same discussion paragraph near the tile and click unsubscribe. [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 04:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

How to appeal against deletion comment

Dear officer pls advise on how to have proposed deletion comment/s on page ? 103.51.163.126 (talk) 06:33, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

To clarify, what i mean is to get rid of deletion comment/s on page ? 103.51.163.126 (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

What's the page? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 06:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Presumably Tan Chin Hwee, which is being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tan Chin Hwee. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 08:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

If you're asking about the article Tan Chin Hwee, then: (i) Improve the article, by citing reliable sources, independent of the subject and of each other, that say a lot about him. (ii) Mention (concisely, and just once) in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tan Chin Hwee that you have improved the article. (iv) Participants in the AfD, or enough of them, will decide that the article should survive, and the AfD will be "closed as keep" and the template(s) will be removed. -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Forking Bill Cook and Ron Herzman

Bill Cook and Ron Herzman

I am probably in the wrong place with this, as I mainly edit over at WP:DE and don't know where to bring this to attention in WP:EN. The issue is that this article mixes two persons. It was probably written as kind of an advertisment article for The Great Courses as to give a CV for both professors that have created an audio course for this series. The commercial aspect of the original article has been removed here. I think the article should be forked, but don't have the time to do it. Is there a place at WP:EN to raise this issue? Thanks in advance Blausonorisch (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Blausonorisch, there's very little in the article about Herzman. (I do not deny that he's notable. I simply haven't even started to investigate the matter.) Currently William R. Cook redirects to Bill Cook and Ron Herzman. I suggest reversing the redirect (for which you'll need the help of an administrator) and revising as necessary. Herzman will thus lose his half of an article; but (sources, energy, etc permitting) anyone would be free to create a proper, informative article about him. However, wait a little and see if you get a better suggestion (it's been a long day and I'm sleepy). -- Hoary (talk) 09:23, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Think the needs-more-citations tag can be removed from DiGard Motorsports yet?

DiGard Motorsports

I'm thinking yes. If you think so too, then please do so. Looking for 2nd opinion. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:46, 10 July 2025 (UTC) (I have been sporadically involved in editing/maintaining this article about an old NASCAR team.)

If you are thinking, then its wrong thinking, because I dont think, and nobody else will, that there are enough citation there. If you have not done already, read WP:Citing sources, to refresh you memory, cheers! [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 09:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Many paragraphs and the whole section DiGard_Motorsports#The No. 22 Miller car and Bobby Allison are still missing cited sources. I have removed the wikilink from the header here and placed it below where you had the URL, User:Guroadrunner. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:21, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Automated mass move?

I notice that there are a lot of pages titled incorrectly as "100 metre freestyle" which goes against MOS:SUSPENDED instead of the correct "100-metre freestyle" which is standard grammar and how the Olympics themselves write it. Obviously, this would be a time-consuming process to do manually. Is there an automated tool to speed it up? Valenciano (talk) 08:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

No. [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 09:41, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Valenciano: Don't make mass moves without discussion. There are thousands of articles. I suspect the titles were chosen for a reason and there would be opposition to moves. My searches of olympics.org give more results without a hyphen. You can post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics. If there is consensus then you can post to Wikipedia:Bot requests. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

PrimeHunter forgetting the hyphen is one of the most common mistakes in English these days, up there with spelling "their" as "there" or putting a grocer's apostrophe in possessive "its", so I suspect it's been a mistake that's been duplicated over time, but ok, I'll raise it at the Wikiproject. Valenciano (talk) 11:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I need some help editing a new page,

I need some help Sam's video (talk) 20:29, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

What help are you seeking? It would help to know the article or page involved. 331dot (talk) 20:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

What page do you need help with editing? CoconutOctopus talk 20:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Sam's video.

This might not look like the help you are asking for, but:

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I already learned how Wikipedia works using the tutorial, I need to create my first article Sam's video (talk) 09:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sam's video Please follow the Wikipedia:Article wizard qcne (talk) 10:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I have left some useful links, on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:49, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Help in editing a page - I am not allowed to do it

Hello - I work for Clean Oceans International. Our current Wikipedia page is very outdated and we tried to change it yesterday and were blocked. We need someone to change it and we don't care who that is, as long as the information is correct. Who can we get to edit our page? We have the language we would like to use. All we want to do is update some of the information and take out some information and all references since they are outdated. I had to ask this question anonymously (not signed in) because the Wikipedia page won't even let me ask a question since we are "blocked". This makes it extremely frustrating to get our questions answered. We don't want to promote anything other than correct information about our organization. Can you please help? 2601:647:CE82:7DD0:5DD4:9C49:C93B:848E (talk) 19:55, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I would suggest that you create an account, make the required paid editing disclosure on its user page, then you may make a formal edit request(click for instructions, or use the edit request wizard), detailing changes you feel are needed. Please propose incremental changes, one at a time, not a wholesale rewrite, as this will increase the chances a volunteer will invest time in reviewing your requests. 331dot (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You were mainly blocked because your chosen username represented an organisation. Please read the explanation in the blue box on User talk: Clean Oceans International, and comply with the instructions there.

Having changed the name (or created a new account with an acceptable name), and made the mandatory paid editing disclosure, you are welcome to submit edit requests for changes to the article.

Bear in mind that Wikipedia wants the article to be accurate according to reliable and mostly independent published sources, but your preferred working is not necessarily Wikipedia's. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. The explanation and instructions on the User talk: Clean Oceans International are confusing, hence us coming to this forum... So - we can make an edit request on our own behalf? As long as we follow what you said above?

We don't want to break any rules, we just want the information to be accurate - with wording that represents COI accurately and would love for people that have no affiliation with us to be able to understand what it is we do and represent.

But, we will look into your suggestions and try that way - thank you for your time! 2601:647:CE82:7DD0:B0C9:4780:9E0A:B389 (talk) 22:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

You can make requests on the talk page of the article about your organisation. See Wikipedia:Edit requests for more. You may use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to generate such requests. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello again. The first thing you must do is to stop using that account - which you have done, but it's best if you either change the name on that account or (since it has only two edits in its contribution history) abandon it and create a new one. The blue box tells you how to do either of those things, and gives some information about acceptable names.

Then once you've renamed the account or created a new one, you must make the mandatory declaration of your status as a paid editor on your user page - that link tells you how to do so.

Once you have done both of those, then you may make edit requests for changes to the article. It helps if your request is very specific "Please add X after Y" or Please replace Z by W in the section headed "A". Getting your request acted on will depend on a volunteer editor seeing it and deciding to look at it, so keeping it simple and precise will help (don't try and make multiple changes in an edit, unless they are all clearly part of the same issue).

Finally, for anything you want to add, it is much more likely that an editor will comply is you cite a reliable published source - and, for the most part, a source entirely unconnected with COI.

Note that, as this is an encyclopaedia, we are just as interested in the past as the present. If some information in the article is out of date, we won't necessarily remove it: we may just change the tense to the past. (But we might: if it's routine information eg about personnel, then unless the people are notable in their own right or did notable things with the organisation, there may be no encyclopaedic reason to keep them in the article.

I hope that helps. ColinFine (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

why my draft is being rejected (Draft:Sooban Talha)

Draft:Sooban Talha

i would like to know why my draft Sooban Talha is being rejected 1234sooban1234 (talk) 16:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• 1234sooban1234, that draft is highly promotional and on a non-notable person, and I think you wrote it about yourself. Also, note the sentence "While he has built a modest following, there is currently no coverage by independent or mainstream media sources"--that last part, there is currently no coverage, means we can't have an article on it. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  thanks.

  i will try my best to create real articles. 1234sooban1234 (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@1234sooban1234: No sources, no article, no debate. We can't cite random YouTube videos or any social media. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia SXSW 2025

Hi, I had professional headshots and to make a business profile during SXSW March 2025 in Austin,Texas at the Wikipedia House. I have yet to recieve any updates on when it will be live? Belivelyco (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Your account has no edits other than this one. Can you link to the draft? (perhaps you made it while logged out) I will note that we don't have "profiles" here, not a single one. We have articles. 331dot (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If somebody took pictures of you for Wikipedia, I would think you would need to contact that person. I'm pretty sure that Wikipedia provides no such service.

The fact that you talk about "professional headshots", and a "business profile" makes me wonder if you have been scammed by somebody claiming that they could create a "profile" for you. Please see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 20:03, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

ColinFine Is there any way to see if Wikipedia had an official booth at SXSW? 331dot (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea - I had to go searching to even find out what SXSW was. But even if it did, does that sound like the kind of service that would be provided by Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I checked the website, there didn't seem to be anything official Wikipedia/-media-related. Scam it is... -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine and others, see https://www.wikiportraits.org/, Category:WikiPortraits at SXSW 2025 and Amateur photographers hope to fix Wikipedia's 'terrible' pictures. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Obviously I, like others commenting here, had never heard of this. So the headshot is likely to be real. But @Belivelyco also talks about "make a business profile". That doesn't sound like anything sanctioned by Wikimedia. ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

It does not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

WikiPortraits organizer here -- indeed, we had a photo studio at SXSW for both outreach and to capture notable people for Wikipedia, as part of the broader WikiHaus where we hosted panels, an edit-a-thon, etc. with the WMF and affiliates. But no "business profile" or anything of the sort was offered. The most we did was teach people how Wikipedia works and how articles are made. Likely a misunderstanding. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 16:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Belivelyco Are photos you're asking about here?: Category:WikiPortraits Studio at SXSW 2025 Note that there are several pages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes for Wikiportraits. Thank you! 2603:8080:D800:477:E8F6:FBB5:51A:AB95 (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

While most photos have been uploaded, note some photographers are still finishing their uploads so some may still be missing. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 16:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@SuperHamster Per independent coverage, I think it would be fair to mention (and redirect) Wikiportraits somewhere in mainspace. Do you think it fits at Wikimedia_Foundation#Affiliates? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: We are funded through WMF grants, but are not an official affiliate (yet). We plan to apply at some point, but I know the affiliate application process is going through some changes right now. If you think a redirect is appropriate, our main wiki page is at commons:Commons:WikiPortraits. I just set up Wikipedia:WikiPortraits as a redirect. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@SuperHamster I added something at Wikimedia_movement#Thematic_organizations. We'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

What is the minimum needed for my wiki page?

I have done all of the hard work, maybe too much, now I have to get references which are hard to find due to not much press. I just want my fans to know who I am and what I'm doing now, I have recorded 4 records, many singles and now have a music podcast show in Las Vegas and in my 89th Episode.

So my question is what is the minimum to get started and I will add the references along the way?

Thanks, Dean Von, Dean Von Music Media -- Deanvonmusic (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Deanvonmusic: The minimum requirement for a Wikipedia article is that the subject must be notable, by our definition, not yours. If you are not notable, then we cannot have an article about you. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Dean, please have a read of WP:MUSICBIO, especially the first one. "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." The links that you are adding are to your social media, YouTube etc. If you are notable then other people will have written about you, but a quick google search here turned up nothing for me. I see that others have already told you this so I'm not sure why you're asking again.

Furthermore, regarding your comments here regarding "censorship", Wikipedia is a private website. We are not a web host and have no more obligation to host your biography here than you would have an obligation to host me if I visited Nevada as a tourist. Valenciano (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Deanvonmusic! I am afraid you made several common mistakes.

• You created a Wikipedia page about yourself — although it's not forbidden, it is strongly discouraged here, because such pages almost never meet Wikipedia standards. Please see WP:YOURSELF for detailed explanation.
• You created a Wikipedia page for your fans for them to know who you are — this is what we call self-promotion here at Wikipedia, and it is strictly forbidden by our policy. Please see WP:SELFPROMOTE for more info.
• You created a Wikipedia page WP:BACKWARDS by writing on the subject (that is, yourself) first before finding WP:Reliable sources to establish notability of the subject. By the way, please note Wikipedia has its own definition of 'notability', described at WP:NOTABILITY, and it is must-know before you create of substantially modify any article at Wikipedia.
• You created a Wikipedia page without familiarizing with Wikipedia rules and requirements, so the page doesn't meet criteria for a Wikipedia article. As a result, it has no chance to get accepted and published in main space in its current shape.

This is very discouraging, I know. Please don't feel crushed, many Wikipedia users experienced something similar in their beginnings. If I may suggest you next move, just leave the page as it is for now, step back and browse through the links I posted above.
Also, see again the blue-and-green message that User:KylieTastic posted at your Talk page last November. Section Getting started links to some most important information, necessary for each successful Wikipedian. Good luck! --CiaPan (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

"I have done all of the hard work, maybe too much, now I have to get references". That is a classic case of trying to create an article backwards. Unfortunately, you haven't even started on the hard part of the work. Maproom (talk) 08:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have put a spamusername block on this account, as his talk page reveals a belligerent determination to commit promotion and autobiography, meanwhile declaring that he is not committing autobiography and promotion. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I removed TPA as he doubled down on his disruptive attacks. I almost feel like he was creating entertainment for himself and his fans. It's very interesting how someone can say they aren't promoting themselves and then go on to say how they will promote themselves. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Help

Where do I delete drafts? Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 16:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat: If you created the draft yourself, {{db-g7}} is your friend. Otherwise, you'd take it to WP:Miscellany for deletion or wait for the draft to time-out. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Rafaelthegreat. If it is your draft and you are the only significant contributor, then please follow the advice at WP:G7. If it is someone else's draft, why do you want to delete it? Only administrators can actually delete pages, but you can request deletion based on the specific circumstances. Cullen328 (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

No @Cullen328, I am not deleting someone else's draft. But thanks for for the advice! Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Drafts that meet a WP:CSD can be tagged as such. Otherwise you can always list them at WP:MFD. However, because drafts are automatically deleted per WP:G13 after six months of inactivity and because there exposure is so minimal, it is usually best to simply do nothing. So sure if it is eligible for G7 feel free to tag it as such, but otherwise it should most likely be ignored. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

How to correct Wikipedia title or name

We are interested in correcting the title or name of our organization’s Wikipedia page — what are the potential steps of doing so? Pmckay2126 (talk) 12:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Pmckay2126.

If you are a employee (or volunteer or intern) at the organisation, then Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor if you make any edits in respect of an article about or connected with the organisation: this means that it is mandatory for you to make a formal declaration on your user page - see the link above for how to do this.

Once you have made the declaration, you may request edits to the article - you should not edit the article directly.

For edits to the content, you should make edit requests on the article's talk page. Changing the title of a page is called moving the page, and usually you would post at requested moves; but because of your conflict of interest, I recommend that you still raise an edit request.

Please note that Wikipedia uses the common names of entities, rather than their official names. This means that if your organisation has changed its name recently, but most or all of the independent reliable sources on which the article must be based still use the old name, then we would probably not change the name of the article - though it could certainly have the new name in the lead section of the article, and could also have a redirect from the new name to the old. ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pmckay2126 If you tell us what WP-article you want to change to what new title, someone here might do it (I assume your org-website will hint this is a good idea). You can also suggest this at the article talkpage, but there is no guarantee anyone will see it. Another option is asking on this page: Wikipedia:Requested moves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and insight!

All of that info is extremely helpful.

I am an employee at Credible and hoping to help the organization change its title from Credible Labs to simply Credible.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Credible_Labs

https://www.credible.com/

How difficult do you foresee that change being? Pmckay2126 (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah, right. Should be straightforward, except that, as Arch dude says, it's not the most obviousl thing people would be looking for, so I think it should be moved to Credible (company) or something like that.

A more significant problem I see is that looking through the sources, I didn't notice any which were all three of reliable, independent, and containing significant coverage of the company (see WP:42). Most of the news reports were routine business reporting of financial offers, acquisitions, and the like. Without several sources which meet all the criteria, the article does not establish that Credible meets Wikipedia's criteria for WP:NCORP ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

And now I look, Credible (company) exists, and is a redirect to Credible Labs. So I'm going to put in a Move request - but I still have doubts as to whether the article is adequately sourced. ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the insight, @ColinFine, and all of the help. It is all very much appreciated! Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pmckay2126: Sorry, but Credible is currently a redirect to credibility, and I feel that your company's name is not the most common use of the word. We can and should change the redirect into a disambiguation page. -Arch dude (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight, @Arch dude. Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I have requested a move to Credible (company), currently a redirect --ColinFine (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Excellent! Thank You very much, @ColinFine. To confirm, the URL would be Credible_(company)?

Also, is the _(company) appendix common for organizations?

Appreciate all the help. Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The requested move is at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. If successful the Wikipewdia url will end with Credible_(company). The _(company) appendix is fairly common for organizations, but most company articles don't need an appendix. TSventon (talk) 15:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Pmckay2126. It's called a disambiguator - see WP:TITLEDAB. Where there are several articles about things (or people) with the same name, all (or sometimes all but one) of them have a term added in parentheses, just to distinguish them.

Arguably, this shouldn't have it, as we don't have an article called "Credible", only a redirect; but as Arch dude explained, people searching for "Credible" are most likely not looking for your company.

The article would greatly benefit from the addition of some sources where somebody wholly unconnected with the company has chosen to publish information in significant depth about the company. Can you suggest any such? ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, @ColinFine. We understand why a disambiguator for “credible” would be necessary and also why there may be issues with using the URL “credible” since our brand is also a commonly used word.

It would be great if the “credible”redirect could be removed and we could move our page to that URL — especially since it isn’t being used; however, the second-best option would be credible_(company).

We appreciate all your help. Pmckay2126 (talk) 17:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The redirect has been used 546 times in the last year [3] but we cannot say whether they were looking for Credibility, Credible Labs, Monetary policy credibility, or something else. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• I have completed the requested move to Credible (company). I have no opinion on other things in this discussion thread such as the quality of the article's text. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:23, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

invitation to event July 12

please send invite 38.122.223.18 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

What event are you talking about? GoldRomean (talk) 21:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup shows two events July 12, in San Diego and San Francisco. Your IP address is in San Francisco so I wonder whether you are referring to Event:Bay Area Wiknic 2025. It has a "Register for event" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

What to do with a (maybe) expired PROD?

I was looking at a page, Construction of Berlin Brandenburg Airport, and there seemed to be an attempt at a proposed deletion (PROD) because the article is largely a stand-alone duplicate of the main article's construction section. But the actual text of the PROD template was improperly pasted with nowiki tags, resulting in it showing up as plain text as follows:

{{subst:Proposed deletion|concern=The content of aticle is as it is available on the main article on Berlin Brandenburg Airport > Construction. This is page is nothing but just another copy from the original article.}}

It's the latest edit to that article, and it's been live since May, far more than the 7 day period for most PRODs. I've been wondering what happens next in this case, with my mind jumping between:
- Delete the incorrectly formatted PROD template text without replacing it with a proper PROD, and
- Replace the incorrectly formatted PROD template with a proper one

I could see replacing it with a speedy deletion template, though because this was originally PROD-ed there may be enough contention here.

Thanks in advance for your input! MooseMike (talk) 04:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@MooseMike: - I'd replace the incorrectly formatted PROD with a correctly formatted one. Mjroots (talk) 09:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

does use dmy dates template apply to bots or fully automatic tools?

2011 Pará state division plebiscite contain use dmy dates. lead section and Plebiscite development section has dates in mdy format and all others are in date month format. does an editor required to change all dates per template in article except in references, infoboxes, etc.? jiki (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, if dmy dates are in use, it should be consistent throughout the article, including in references. Mjroots (talk) 09:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

However, WP:MOSDATE allows yyyy-mm-dd to be used for archive-date and access-date in references irrespective of any DMY or MDY direction for that article, and those should not be changed. -- 92.21.137.132 (talk) 09:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kiji-Jiki Note that the template documentation says After an article is tagged, periodic script runs clean up formats, correcting any new introductions since the last edit using the script, and updating the tracking date parameter in the template, so there is a bot that should handle the changes needed for consistency if a human editor doesn't notice which type of format is supposed to be used. There is another subtle change that the template fixes for readers. For example, if a reference uses |date=2022-05-19 in an article with the use dmy dates template, a reader will see 19 May 2022 in the references section even though that isn't used in the underlying code. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Infobox translation

I'm translating Private Music (Album) into French, but I cannot seem to add the album cover into the french infobox. How do I do that? Uncognic (talk) 02:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't know how much help us here at enwiki would be with regards to stuff on frwiki, I'd suggest asking on frwiki. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 02:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Uncognic, fr:Wikipedia can't employ files hosted by en.Wikipedia. (By en:Wikipedia I do not mean Commons. It's not at Commons for a very simple, copyright-related reason.) You cannot add the album cover there (which is why you also won't see it at pt:Private Music (álbum) or ru:Private Music). There's no point asking at fr:Wikipedia or anywhere else. But if you have further questions about an article in fr:Wikipedia, please ask there. -- Hoary (talk) 04:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Uncognic. To explain a bit more about Hoary's reply: the aim of Wikimedia projects is to provide a resource that may be freely reused by anybody for any purpose, so Wikimedia Commons accepts only freely-licensed materials.

Because it is often so difficult to find freely-licensed images, English Wikipedia allows non-free images in certain cases, as long as they comply with a strict set of criteria. Such images must be uploaded to English Wikipedia, not to Commons. The image in question is one of those.

Some other language Wikipedia also allow non-free images, but not all. It seems to me that French Wikipedia does not - see fr:WP:PDE. ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Template for women's football under-20 and under-17

Hey all, I want to make a medal table for FIFA U-20 World Cup, FIFA U-17 World Cup, FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup, and FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup, the same way as shown in CONCACAF Gold Cup records and statistics for example. But the countries now have to link to the men under 20, men under 17, women under 20 and women under 17, so the templates used for men, "fb", and "fbw" for women don't work here. What are the correct templates? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 11:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: See {{fbu}} and {{fbwu}} . PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks! Hm, I tried them out but it doesn't look like they can be used in tables because they create errors. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 12:08, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: I don't see any attempt to use them in your saved edits. If you tried a preview then did you remember the age parameter? If you want more help then save your broken code somewhere so we can see what goes wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I tried it and used "Show preview" so you can't see it. But I'll try it again at FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup. Please check it. I tried using "fbwu" as a template but it doesn't work. If you use "fbw" it does work. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 13:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: I see the problem now. {{fbwu}} has an age parameter but {{Medals table}} doesn't have a way to pass it on for |flag_template = fbwu. I made a wrapper template {{fbwu17}} which doesn't itself have an age parameter and that works.[4] But a bunch of wrapper templates for gender-age combinations doesn't seem like a good solution. I will ask if {{Medals table}} can get en extra parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ok, thank you so much for your help! Much appreciated. I reckon you suggest I'll wait with creating the tables? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: Yes, I suggest waiting to see if there are replies a Template talk:Medals table#flag_template with age parameter. {{fbwu17}} works for now so you don't have to remove the already made table. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ok, thanks. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Fixing cites after text move?

I moved a lot of text to Health effects of electronic cigarettes from Electronic cigarette. Is there an easy way to repair the cites as it would be a lot of effort for me to do it manually? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's a very good question actually and there is a nice trick for it. Why don't you use source editors and copy not just fact but refs too that are written in front of the piece. Like this

Napoleon was born in Corsica in 1769.<ref>Some Source</ref> [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I do use the source editor when merging Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

sid vicious article

how can this be amended? It states " Kingsway College of Further Education (later known as Westminster Kingsway College), which was a community and vocational school for students with difficulties" which is not true. FE colleges are simply post school educational facilities which include vocational education. They usually include some special needs provision but this is usually small by comparison to the size of the institution. the govt website states "Further education (FE) includes any study after secondary education that’s not part of higher education (that is, not taken as part of an undergraduate or graduate degree). Courses range from basic English and maths to Higher National Diplomas (HNDs)" 62.30.13.19 (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, have you tried bringing this up on the article's talk page? Perception312 (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I've removed the wording "which was a community and vocational school for students with difficulties". DuncanHill (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

DuncanHill, thank you. The removed text was a poor summary of the Guardian source, so it made sense to remove it. TSventon (talk) 15:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

A save in wrong format

I publish a area code for town in el Dorado Co California somehow it now the edit preview. Kys.... DMc75771 (talk) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

kybu DMc75771 (talk) 16:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

DMc75771, your edit has been reverted. You were trying to add Area code 856 which is an area code in New Jersey to Kyburz, California. Please explain why. Cullen328 (talk) 17:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

application process

Can I get help with login pin number for application process Matswenyego (talk) 17:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're asking - what application process are you having trouble with? CoconutOctopus talk 17:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

how to delete account

how to delete account 24bozz (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not possible to delete an account, as legally all edits must be attributable to someone. You may stop using and abandon your account. If you intend to never return, an account in good standing may be vanished. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Default headers for association football tournament pages

Hi all, I've noticed that all the hundreds, if not thousands of tournament pages seen on List of association football competitions use different names for headers. It's mainly about 3 ones. For example, what do you call this table:

Rank	Team	Part	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
1	India1	14	62	39	15	8	108	38	+70	132
2	Maldives	12	50	25	11	14	98	52	+46	86
3	Bangladesh	13	46	18	12	16	52	47	+5	66

It's called "Overall team records" on most pages but I've seen people use "Summary" or "All-time table" too. It's a points system so maybe something like "All-time points records" or something would be better?

Nation	Champions	Runners-up	Third-place	Fourth-place	Semi-finalists
India	9 (1993, 1997, 1999, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2015, 2021, 2023)	4 (1995, 2008, 2013, 2018)	1 (2003)	–	–
Maldives	2 (2008, 2018)	3 (1997, 2003, 2009)	2 (1999, 2021)	–	4 (2005, 2011, 2013, 2015)
Bangladesh	1 (2003)	2 (1999, 2005)	1 (1995)	1 (2021)	3 (1995, 2009, 2023)
Afghanistan*	1 (2013)	2 (2011, 2015)	–	–	–
Sri Lanka	1 (1995)	1 (1993)	–	1 (1997)	3 (2008, 2009, 2015)
Nepal	–	1 (2021)	1 (1993)	2 (1995, 1999)	3 (2011, 2013, 2018)
Kuwait3	–	1 (2023)	–

^This one is usually called "Teams reaching the top four" but what's the default name? And lastly:

Team	1993	1995	1997	1999	2003	2005	2008	2009	2011	2013	2015	2018	2021	2023	2025	Total
Bangladesh	×	SF	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	Q	13
Bhutan	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	GS	Q	9
India2	1st	2nd	1st	1st	3rd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	2nd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	Q	14
Maldives	×	×	2nd	3rd	2nd	SF	1st	2nd	SF	SF	SF	1st	GS	GS	Q	12
Nepal	3rd	SF	GS	4th	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	SF	2nd	GS	Q	14
Pakistan	4th	GS	3rd	GS	4th	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	SF	DQ	GS	Q	12
Sri Lanka	2nd	1st	4th	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	DQ	Q	13
Former team(s)
Afghanistan3	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	GS	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	Part of CAFA				7
Guest teams
Kuwait4	×													2nd	×	1
Lebanon4	×													SF	×	1

^This one is usually called "Comprehensive team results by tournament", is it the correct name?

For examples, please see National team appearances in the FIFA World Cup, Africa Cup of Nations and SAFF Championship.

Consensus about these should be reached to avoid future conflicts, because one person might use this and another one uses that and in my opinion it doesn't look very professional if it's all different but mostly, it's easier for everyone if we just stick with defaults. Now pages are constantly being changed because there's no consensus and everyone changes it to what he likes. Can there please be reached default settings for this? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC) PeruvianCocaine (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello @PeruvianCocaine. That sort of consensus is reached by being discussed at an appropriate place, where interested editors are likely to see it. I suggest WT:WikiProject Football ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Notes

Citations on mobile

Am I correct that the citation tools that the source editor has on desktop are not available on mobile? How are people adding citations on mobile without manually typing the full templates? Thanks! Helpful Cat -talk- 02:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Not quite correct, Helpful Cat. See Wikipedia:Enable_mobile_version for instructions on switching your mobile to desktop mode. Maproom (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, what I meant is that the citation tools aren't available in the mobile version. But switching to desktop mode on mobile is a good idea. Helpful Cat -talk- 11:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

For anyone else who sees this: I realised that citation tools are available in the mobile visual editor, so another option is to add citations via the visual editor, then switch back to the source editor to add a ref name. (Unfortunately the Wikipedia:Citation expander gadget doesn't seem to appear on mobile either, even though it can be activated in mobile preferences) Helpful Cat {talk} 20:38, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Full stop dot template

I created Template:Full stop thinking it would work, but Template:Dot is a middle central dot, so I don't know what to do. In Template:Hatnote group, full stop dots don't appear when needed, such as here, after Template:Main, for example. But there were other templates that needed dots that I noticed. Web-julio (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

One problem is that not all hatnotes are actually sentences. The ones that are already do have a period, but the ones that aren't do not have a period. MOS:CAPTION has some guidance about punctuation when combining sentences and sentence-fragments. So either each hatnote needs to detect whether it needs a period based on determining whether it is in a hatnote-group or hatnote-group needs to detect whether each hatnote has a period and add one if not. DMacks (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Web-julio: That template name is confusing. Many English speakers use "full stop" to mean a "period". {{Full stop}} is currently a redirect to {{·}} and should either be renamed to better reflect its purpose; or simply deleted as {{dot}} and {{middot}} already exist for the same purpose. Bazza 7 (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Web-julio: I agree. May I delete it as an author request? It could also be converted to actually produce a period but I don't know use cases where you couldn't just write a period without a template. I have posted to Template talk:Hatnote group#Any way to get punctuation? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I requested. But I thought there existed, so it could be retargeted. Web-julio (talk) 23:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

About Washington International University

I want to made a correction about a page on Wikipedia about an online university. The information is wrong and outdated.

Please let me know how I can provide you the updated info.

Actually Washington International University is one of the pioneer modern academic learning system that started in the United States, which is a common methods by most Universities in the U.S and Europe nowadays.

The programs offered by this university were highly academic assigned with a highly experts/ professors. Students had to finalize their study programs with academic learning material, books, researches and the final Thesis.

There are innumerable high level leaders from around the world who studied in Washington International University and received their degrees.

I would like to contribute a longer article and updated information about the positive side of Washington International University. Please let me know how I can do that and and how you or I can edit old page on Wikipedia about this university.

Here is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University BestCiel (talk) 06:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Just a basic question, are you somehow related to this particular university? If yes then you come into WP:COI conflict criteria, read the page and make appropriate advance. In regard to edit, you can read WP:Editing. Sys64 message this user 09:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

These are some basic needs you need to keep in mind while editing page, ONLY when you are in COI:

• you should disclose your COI when involved with affected articles;
• you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly;
• you may propose changes on talk pages (by using the {{edit COI}} template), so that they can be peer-reviewed;
• you should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly;
• you should not act as a reviewer of affected article(s) at AfC, new pages patrol or elsewhere;
• you should respect other editors by keeping discussions concise.

Sys64 message this user 09:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @BestCiel.

First, as Sys64 says, if you are connected with the university, you have a Conflict of interest. If you are in any way paid or employed by the university (including as an intern or volunteer), Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration (see that link for details).

Once you have made your declaration, you may raise edit requests for changes to the article: make them as specific as possible, don't put multiple changes into the same request, and your requests have a much greater chance of being carried out if you include a citation to a reliable independent source, for any information you are seeking to add.

You say you would like to contribute a longer article about "the positive side" of WIU. Such an intention is fundamentally off-purpose for Wikipedia. A Wikipedia article should not give "the positive side" (or "the negative side") of its subject: it should be a neutral summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, in reliable publications - and little else. (see WP:42). If many of the appropriate sources are positive, the article will reflect that. If they are predominently negative, the article will reflect that; and if they are mixed, again the article will reflect that.

What the article should not reflect, at all, is what the subject says or wants to say about itself, or what the subject's associates say.

If you choose to write an article about WIU (which seems inappropriate, because there is one already) you would need to effectively forget everything you know or think about the university, and summarise what the independent sources say. ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine, Actually they have sworn that they were graduate of University and did not find it pleasing enough to tell us here. Now they have made copyright edits which have been both reverted and scrutinized. I have warned him but if he continues to do this, I think a block is needed? See his talk page, [[5]] Sys64 message this user 00:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki, being a graduate of a university is not necessarily a COI. ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Location

Hello guys stuff still deleted need address for Mike hard lemonade N.C. I am looking glass maker granny please reply me all thank you very much 50.111.213.233 (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

This page is for help with editing Wikipedia, did you have a question about that? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 15:57, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Possible bots, I am not sure

I was looking at the new users long, and I noticed something I have not seen before - lots of accounts being created in a short time that made between 7-10 edits, all with random edit summaries (some referenced policies so I wondered if they were randomly generated) and then stop. The edits were all just minor edits where things were reworded slightly. Examples are Romancrag3, Polandzbignew, and Creativeco3209.

I am wondering if they are accounts which are making random edits and then planning to wait a few days in order to get autoconfirmed and then make spam/undisclosed paid articles. But they haven't done anything wrong yet. I know that if they post spam it will eventually get deleted, but I worry if that is the plan then they can still say to someone "look, your article is published, now you will pay me" in the hours it is up.

Is it kind of just best to ignore them for now? I am also not sure if I'm just overthinking. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 10:04, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I like your instincts (see block log for details). Often in these situations you can look at the histories of pages they're editing, for example, Special:PageHistory/Alex Tsai will lead you down a rabbit hole of similar things. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 10:28, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Zzuuzz! I did not consider a checkuser checking for sockpuppetry here, that sorted things out quickly :) -- NotCharizard ^🗨 11:09, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

how do I upload a .wikitext file?

how do I upload a .wikitext file? Bigpooz (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bigpooz: It looks like you figured it out at User:Bigpooz/Sample page. There is no file upload for wikitext. You just use a browser to create and edit wikitext pages. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation and Wikipedia:Notability (people) if you want to create an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Bigpooz. Looking at that draft, it appears that it has been written WP:BACKWARDS.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Bigpooz. I wonder if you used a large-language model chatbot like OpenAI's ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini etc to create this page - and that the chatbot mistakenly told you to upload a .wikitext file? Your page at User:Bigpooz/Sample page looks like it was written by an AI chatbot. qcne (talk) 14:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

error

using one finger on a mobile can be challenging. I tried to fix but made it worse. Couldn't find the error. DMc75771 (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @DMc75771. I don't see an error in Termo, California (apart from the fact that it cites no sources with significant coverage of the place). ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

References

Help contacting an editor

I am wondering how I can get in touch with an editor to ask them the references they used. 2601:8C0:800:2C90:65D5:3AF6:AB7D:C3F8 (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Best is to ask on the talk page of the particular article, pinging the username of the editor you are addressing. For how to do this, see the third paragraph ('You can "mention" a user....) of the body text of Help:Notifications. Of course, many edits were made years ago, by editors who have since "moved on" from Wikipedia. NB (i) Further down the same page we read "notifying anonymous users (IPs) by mentioning their IP address is not possible" (within which, "mentioning" has a special meaning); yes, pingability is an advantage of having a username and logging in to it. (ii) Simply prefixing "@" to a username does not ping that user. -- Hoary (talk) 02:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Abderrahmane Medjadel

Special:Diff/1300240570

Reference help requested.

Can you please help me with the referencing errors because I don't know what to do if that is okay please?

Thanks, 49.182.171.78 (talk) 04:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it was telling you that a {{cite web}} citation needs a title. I've fixed the reference (i) to delete Medjadel as the author of the page and (ii) to insert a title for the page. (The reference was also in the infobox so that may have made it harder to find in order to edit.) MmeMaigret (talk) 05:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Question about reverting

I am trying to improve the WP:Contents page and then all of a sudden, I get reverted. I understand that this is an important tool on Wikipedia since it helps with undoing vandalism and undo any mistakes that I make while editing. I don't understand why someone would use the revert tool to undo a good faith improvement to Wikipedia when they can just build on the work that I already did on the page. I'm all for reverting good faith edits where the chances of it being built upon by subsequent edits is not looking good, but I'm hoping that I can get a good explanation of why editors are so quick in reverting. Interstellarity (talk) 00:59, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I have brought you to WP:ANI, because before every major edit, which you are doing in WP: Contents you need to discuss it. This is a violation and you need to answer this there. Sys64 message this user 01:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

This should be discussed on the Contents talk page, not ANI. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 01:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

yes but he is making blatant edits, which requires some answers to administrators. Sys64 message this user 01:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Being WP:BOLD is not a chronic, intractable behavior problem that needs "and block them if needed" Sophisticatedevening🐞^(talk) 01:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Please move to ANI page for other discussions. please note i said if needed which means only and only if it is required, and that is because I overlooked multiple edits without understanding much more. I think I was not going to deal it personally hence I am quite not comfortable with talk page discussion without an administrator involved, per war. Sys64 message this user 01:57, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Sys64wiki, a suggestion. En:Wikipedia has many articles that are defective in one or more ways. Work on improving these articles. Give yourself a year-long break from advising people on what to do, and from bringing people to WP:ANI. That's because your advice, however well-meant, too often (A) is hard to understand or (B) is seemingly based on misunderstandings. -- Hoary (talk) 02:35, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Noted. Sys64 message this user 02:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Also there are some specific editors who have taken a tone of digging deeper and looking at specific comments made by user that are not appropriate. Granted, I am not perfect (and nobody is), I would suggest these users to leave this job to checkusers and bureaucrats, as they understand much better what this means and its use instead of some naive editors who have anonymity towards others. Thank you! Sys64 message this user 02:49, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki: Pointing out your inappropriate, BITEy Teahouse and Help Desk comments from yesterday is not "digging deeper" into your edit history to find something against you. I'm unsure why you'd want us to "leave this job to checkusers"; I haven't seen anyone accuse you of socking or something of that sort. — DVRTed (Talk) 03:23, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

FTR, I have no idea why (presumably I, due to my comments at ANI), am being called naive and I have not accused Sys64 of socking either. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 04:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

The answer to your question is reverting is rude and the guidelines tell us it's hostile, puts off unexperienced editors, shouldn't be done if the edit was in good faith, should only be done if nothing about the good faith edit was useful. But a lot of editors do it because it's quicker, they don't care and feel some ownership over a page, or they're more task than people oriented. You can ping the person on the talk page, but honestly, it's probably easier to move on. For problematic people, you'll just be another in a long line of people they'll argue with. MmeMaigret (talk) 06:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Nightlife in Bangkok doesnt feel like a Wikipedia article

(This is my first time here at the Helpdesk, hope i do this right) The article starts with the sentence "The nightlife in Bangkok, the capital city of Thailand, has traditionally had a reputation for rowdiness, but in 2011 it was reported that the city's crime rate had decreased." That is just a piece of trivia and not the first sentence to a Wikipedia article. Similar things happen throughout the whole article, noting stuff like the price of Local vs Import Beer. How can i alert people to this, as leaving a note on the Talk page probably wont be noticed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmalzbrot (talk • contribs) 00:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

You could:

1. Do the research and fix it yourself.

2. There could possibly be a project/group that specializes in this topic that could fix it. 24.190.200.120 (talk) 02:19, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Looks to me like it needs a rewrite from scratch. Someone has WP:ProD'd it which makes sense to me in a way, but the topic may be notable. You could always create a draft with good sources, while you're waiting for the ProD. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 07:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Critical Race Theory Bias in Wikipedia.

I find it odd that the section for Anthony Johnson, the first slave owner in the U.S.A. is not mentioned to be black, but rather implied. Further more, it is disturbing that that this site will not allow a picture of him to be posted. So, officially, I am asking the representatives of this company, are you allowing bias opinions to affect the decisions of the factual information published? Ravens Asylum (talk) 18:44, 12 July 2025 (UTC) Update, the site does say "he is recorded as a negro".

The article for Anthony Johnson is pretty clear that he was an African man who had previously been enslaved himself. Wikipedia summarises what reliable sources say about a topic, and doesn't provide its own commentary. There's no image as we don't currently have one of him that is suitable; previously an image of the wrong man was present which has obviously been removed. I urge you to remember to assume good faith when dealing with editors on Wikipedia and not go around accusing people of deliberate racial misinformation or you're likely to end up blocked. CoconutOctopus talk 18:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I see it does say "Recorded as a Negro". I posted a picture for Anthony Johnson and it was removed. Turned out this same picture has been rejected the past. It's him. It's resourced. But for some reason this company doesn't want people to know that the first official slave owner in the U.S. is black. It goes against the narrative that the white man is evil. It's time to stand up to woke ideology and call out the hypocrisies of Wikipedia. Perhaps I missed it, does it say that he was a slave owner as well? Or does it just say that he earned his freedom and became a tobacco farmer? Ravens Asylum (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I would add that this is not a "company", we are all volunteers here, not paid staff. The Wikimedia Foundation has paid staff, but they are not involved in editing decisions, typically. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

The infobox already says that he fought to own an African slave, John Casor. Please see WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 19:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I agree with CO that the article makes it clear this man was Black. Is this [6] the picture you uploaded wherever? Doesn't look 1600 to me, but if you have a WP:RS that says so, tell us what it is, then we can probably use it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

That is so obviously not an image of Anthony Johnson that I would oppose adding it even if we did have WP:RS that says so. We'd probably end up having to strike that source off the WP:RS list. -- asilvering (talk) 20:06, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

It could be AJ in the sense of (later) "artistic depiction". But again, I'd like to see a history book that says so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

See Lewis Hayden, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Nice catch. -- asilvering (talk) 20:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering See description on the File:Portrait of 19th century abolitionist Lewis Hayden, sometimes falsely presented as being 17th century enslaver Anthony Johnson.png page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

That blog looks like it promotes fringe and neo-Confederate content. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Btw, why don't you count for example Edward Bennett (colonist) as an earlier slaveowner in the USA? Not that any of them lived in the USA, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

For the interested, the article is Anthony Johnson (colonist). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:50, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

References no longer working

In this dynamic world references a prone to expire, e.g. external sources may have been removed from external sites or those sites have been renamed or re-organised etc. What to do when one encounters such "broken" - but presumably previously working - reference links? Should one replace the reference with "citation needed" or e.g. leave as is BUT add some - presumably other(?) - marking that the reference is no longer working ? (I HAVE tried searching tutorials etc. for an answer but failed to find one.) Thanks FlemFred (talk) 23:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Update: In the actual case I just found a replacement reference (see my Edits list if you're interested), but the general question stands, since one frequently encounters broken or outdated references. Thanks FlemFred (talk) 23:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

(1) You should mark the reference as dead. Click on the reference in visual editing and choose url status from the list of fields. (In source editing it's probably "url-status=" but don't quote me on that.) You don't need to do anything else after indicating that the link is dead. But for completeness, you should (2) go to archive.org, type in the old url, find an archived version of the page that works (and was the source for the information), add the archived page (it will start with "https://web.archive.org/web/") in the archive url field and the date it was archived. MmeMaigret (talk) 05:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

MMeMaigret, Thanks, will do. (I *do* know the WayBack Machine (since ..... way back ;-) and *have* seen references to pages there, so I think that I can do as suggested.) FlemFred (talk) 11:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

FlemFred, because, as you say, websites may "have been renamed or re-organised etc.", the first thing to do is use Duckduckgo or Google or Bing or whatever to look for the same material elsewhere in the same (or a renamed) website. If that fails (as it usually does), the next stage is to see what the Wayback Machine offers. If Wayback lacks the web page, then the next stage is to consider whether it's really necessary to cite that very same source, or whether an alternative would be appropriate. If not (or if no usable alternative can be found), then Template:Dead link or a more appropriate alternative. -- Hoary (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hoary, Thanks. And yes....-ish: The problem is that one cannot necessarily (and not least *easily*) determine or guess what an appropriate *other* reference is - which is probably also what you've found yourself. But again: Yes, could try and see if the reference could be converted to a reference to possible archived material (at WayBack). Thanks again for all suggestions. FlemFred (talk) 11:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:LINKROT

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:DEADREF might be more on-target for this situation, and is the basis for Hoary's good ideas, than LINKROT. But I'm glad you got it resolved, FlemFred. DMacks (talk) 00:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. FlemFred (talk) 11:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. FlemFred (talk) 11:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Changing title of page

A page was set up about my dad after he died, in 2003. I want to add photos and text to it. However, he was Peter, not Pete Chisman, and I would like to change his name on the page title. Is it possible do this? Thanks. CEC72 (talk) 07:38, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Articles or other pages can be retitled with a page move- though Wikipedia does not necessarily use official or legal names per policy, it uses the name most commonly used by English-language reliable sources. If you're confident most sources use Peter, and/or think a rename will be uncontroversial, you may request it at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I have submitted a technical request, hopefully correctly. CEC72 (talk) 13:21, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

You should also disclose your conflict of interest on your user page (User:CEC72), please see the conflict of interest policy. 331dot (talk) 08:36, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I have attempted to start a user page in order to show 'conflict of interest', hopefully correctly. CEC72 (talk) 13:44, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@Cath.chis There is already a redirect from Peter Chisman to Pete Chisman, or I would have done the move for you as the sources in the article clearly show that is the WP:COMMONNAME. As advised, you should make the request at WP:RM, explaining the issue about the redirect. Thanks for offering photos, which you do by uploading images you personally took or are entitled to license, to Wikimedia Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:05, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I have submitted a technical request, hopefully correctly. CEC72 (talk) 13:20, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@Cath.chis I've done the move Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:20, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help - this is amazing! CEC72 (talk) 14:51, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Resolving ISBN date CS1 error for chapters

I'm trying to resolve a CS1 error for date incompatibility on the Commonwealth realm page, relating to a source which is a chapter in a book. The chapter itself is an older publication that predates ISBNs, but it's in a book from the early 2000s - which is what the ISBN relates to. Despite the ISBN relating to the book and the dates lining up, it's still throwing a CS1 error because of the chapter date. Would appreciate any ideas / guidance on the best way to resolve this, thanks in advance! Turnagra (talk) 09:44, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

This seems to be a case of malformed WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. Whomever it was that added that citation made a mess of it. There have been minor tweaks since but its still a mess:

{{cite book| last=Berriedale| first=A. Keith| authorlink=Arthur Berriedale Keith| year=1936| publication-date=2006| contribution=The King and the Imperial Crown: The Powers and Duties of His Majesty| editor-last=Coates| editor-first=Colin MacMillan| title=Majesty in Canada: essays on the role of royalty| page=12| location=Toronto| publisher=Dundurn Press Ltd| url=https://books.google.com/books?id=FhFyvhpPx8MC| isbn=978-1-55002-586-6| accessdate=16 January 2011}}

Berriedale, A. Keith (1936). "The King and the Imperial Crown: The Powers and Duties of His Majesty". In Coates, Colin MacMillan (ed.). Majesty in Canada: essays on the role of royalty. Toronto: Dundurn Press Ltd (published 2006). p. 12. ISBN 978-1-55002-586-6. Retrieved 16 January 2011. {{cite book}}: ISBN / Date incompatibility (help)

For example, the author's name is Arthur Berriedale Keith, not A. Keith Berriedale. "The King and the Imperial Crown: The Powers and Duties of His Majesty" is not a chapter or section in Majesty in Canada: essays on the role of royalty. Keith was published by Longmans, Green and Co., not Dundurn. This is a case where we should be saying that Keith is cited in Coates but, instead, the contributing editor is attempting to shoehorn two separate sources into a single citation template; don't do that. We should be citing the "Introduction" in Majesty in Canada: essays on the role of royalty by Coates who cites Keith. Or, we should be citing Keith directly. So two solutions:

1. rewrite the Coates citation like this (or sommat similar):

   {{cite book |editor-last=Coates |editor-first=Colin MacMillan |date=2006 |section=Introduction |title=Majesty in Canada: essays on the role of royalty |page=12 |location=Toronto |publisher=Dundurn Press |section-url=https://books.google.com/books?id=FhFyvhpPx8MC&pg=PA12 |isbn=978-1-55002-586-6 |accessdate=16 January 2011}} citing [[Arthur Berriedale Keith]], 1936.

   Coates, Colin MacMillan, ed. (2006). "Introduction". Majesty in Canada: essays on the role of royalty. Toronto: Dundurn Press. p. 12. ISBN 978-1-55002-586-6. Retrieved 16 January 2011. citing Arthur Berriedale Keith, 1936.

2. cite Keith directly:

   {{cite book |last=Keith |first=A. Berriedale |author-link=Arthur Berriedale Keith |date=1936 |chapter=The Property of the Crown and the King's Civil List |chapter-url=https://archive.org/details/dli.ministry.15915/page/451/mode/2up |title=The King and the Imperial Crown: The Powers and Duties of His Majesty |location=London |publisher=Longmans Green |page=452}}

   Keith, A. Berriedale (1936). "The Property of the Crown and the King's Civil List". The King and the Imperial Crown: The Powers and Duties of His Majesty. London: Longmans Green. p. 452.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:14, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Perfect, thank you! I've gone ahead and made that change. Turnagra (talk) 20:07, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

How to display edit notice on article

Hi,

I've noticed that the Southern Syria clashes (July 2025–present) article is under the WP:1RR restriction, but it lacks the edit notice that pops up when reverting, like the 2024 United States presidential election article.

Could it be added?

Thanks, David O. Johnson (talk) 21:58, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@David O. Johnson: You need to be an admin to create edit notices. I have done this for the page. Mjroots (talk) 11:52, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. David O. Johnson (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

biography

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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John A. Dussinger, Prof Emeritus, Univ of Illinois, achievement as scholar and educator Dussinge (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

This is a help desk. We answer questions relating to Wikipedia. That is not a question. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Dussinge See your thread at the Teahouse. Please don't create two threads on the same topic, as this wastes volunteers' time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How do you create an accessible list from a category page?--Found Solution

Edit: Found Pet scan which can be used to parse out information from Wikimedia sites. Just wanted to list here in case someone else finds it useful.

There are 9,000+ articles requesting screenshots for different video games (Category:Video game articles requesting screenshots). I would like to contribute but this list is so long it's unwieldy. How could someone get a plain text or csv. file of all the titles? I, and anyone else, could then use something like Google Sheets to compare to our own lists to start making headway on this project.

It would also be helpful for any category page which gets this large. Thank you. ValWinter (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@ValWinter Within PetScan, you should be able to use the "Output" tab to format the results. Standard .csv files or plain text are both options. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! ValWinter (talk) 23:50, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

My page was moved from mainspace to draft

My English page "Supriyo Bandyopadhyay" was moved from mainspace to draft by someone named HRShami. I have no idea why (I do not know HRShami) and I would like it moved back to mainspace so that a Google search can discover it. Please help.

Supriyo Bandyopadhyay Sbandyopa (talk) 01:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I have checked the article in question and there are no contributions from you whatsoever, so it is not your English page, unless you are the person on the article itself. The article is moved to the the draft by the author of the article because of "paid article". If you want more clarifications you should talk to HRShami directly. Have a good day! ✠ SunDawn ✠ Contact me! 01:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Looks like HRShami is draftifying all the articles they’ve been paid to create. You can submit it for review to become published by placing {{subst:submit}} (Template:AfC submission/submit) at the top of the page. GoldRomean (talk) 01:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm assuming they moved them to draftspace since they were operating as a UPE the time they created the articles, and they now want to send them through AfC as they should have. Their block log corraborates this. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

The problem with that is that the editor in question Sbandyopa have to declare his COI first before resubmitting the article for review himself, seeing that it is very likely that he is the person in question. ✠ SunDawn ✠ Contact me! 01:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, this is exactly why you don't hire PR agencies to create your article. You should have just waited until someone created it independently, or have followed the COI editing guidelines every step of the creation process to create it yourself. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 02:04, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Even aside from the matter of payment, this draft is problematic. An article about a person must be based on sources that are independent of that person. -- Hoary (talk) 02:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I created this article as part of my undisclosed paid editing. I have moved it to the draftspace so that I can improve it before submitting it again to AFC as I should have done in the first place. HRShami (talk) 05:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Please email me if you wish to improve this page in any way. Sbandyopa (talk) 11:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sbandyopa Just a note, practically all unsolicited emails you might receive about the draft are from scammers who make false promises and take your money for nothing, see WP:SCAM. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

It seems that HRShami (going by the name Saaed Akhtar when he contacted me), who was paid to create this page, moved it to draft on May 9, 2025 and later a user named Liz deleted it 8 minutes later on the same day. Who should I contact about this and how? Sbandyopa (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Nobody. You don't seem to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to advertise yourself or boost your SEO ranking. If you find another paid editor, chances are it'll get deleted again, and the chances are much higher since we know you hired a paid editor to create your article previously. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 15:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

The editor was paid for editing services (like a copy editor) and not for PR services. Nothing in that page is advertisement and everything is verifiably true. I have zero interest in SEO ranking. Sbandyopa (talk) 19:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

HRShami is the owner of LustrePR, which is, as the name suggests, a PR company. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 19:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

By the way, your page was not actually completely "deleted", it was moved to Draft:Supriyo Bandyopadhyay. GoldRomean (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. This is noted. Sbandyopa (talk) 11:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

12 July 2025

We've reached consensus about an edit to Template:Automatic taxobox and some other templates. How can I get someone do it? I know I could just contact a template editor or admin but is this the only way? Jako96 (talk) 15:49, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I think you are looking for {{edit template-protected}}/{{edit protected}} * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:54, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I somehow completely forgot about these, thank you. Jako96 (talk) 20:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Jako96: If you cannot edit a protected page then the "View source" tab has a button to submit an edit request. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Public domain images with Getty Images numbers on them (Unsure where to ask, so I'll go here...)

The article on Cris Tinley has three images that other users put on it. All three are public domain and were uploaded from Getty Images, and while the watermarks are gone, the image numbers from Getty are still in the lower left corner of each. Is that okay for a Wikipedia image, or do they have be removed? -- JustJamie820 (talk) 01:50, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@JustJamie820: the images are on Commons, so you could ask this at c:Commons:Help desk. TSventon (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Sounds good, so I'll do that. Thanks for directing me there. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 04:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Rural Fire Service in Queensland

Well we have a disaster 2001:8003:785A:3701:2CF6:1A28:18E8:139D (talk) 02:16, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

This is not a place to contact the Rural Fire Service of Queensland or air grievances about it. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Possible to see history of wikidata ids for an article?

Hello,

How can I see when an article was connected and disconnected to wikidata ids and by whom please? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: I don't think that's possible. If the article is currently connected then you can get started by clicking "Wikidata item" under "Tools" or "In other projects", and make a browser search (Ctrl+f in Windows browsers) of the Wikidata page history for "link to [enwiki]" (example). PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: do you have an example in mind? TSventon (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I found the info through the search above thanks both of you Chidgk1 (talk) 11:34, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Asia-Pacific Broadcasting

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please help me correct the English version Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union and the new Secretary General of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) Duong is Ahmed Nadeem and the new President of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) is Yoshinori Imai 2402:800:6171:1CFD:492D:2D14:CD9A:F0EA (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

IP editor: you have made a large number of edits to the article Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union today, none of which have been reverted. What help do you need? You can discuss further changes you are unsure of on its talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You have made about fifteen edits to Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union today. How are we supposed to know what you are trying to correct?

I suggest you ask at the talk page Talk:Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union, specifying exactly what the change is that you are trying to achiee. ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

article Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Federation

Secretary General Ahmed Nadeem

Note 1: Mr. Ahmed Nadeem was appointed Secretary General of ABU. Source: https://vov.vn/the-gioi/ong-ahmed-nadeem-duoc-bo-nhiem-lam-tong-thu-ky-cua-abu-post988457.vov, source: https://vov.vn, access date: December 5, 2022 

,Please help us 2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 18:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm afraid I have no idea what you are asking. What do you need help with? GoldRomean (talk) 02:32, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

We do not have an article titled "Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Federation" (or about any relevant Ahmed Nadeem).

We do have an article about the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (perhaps we need a redirect from . . . Federation?). Currently its infobox names Cho Dae-hyun as its President (not Secretary General), but the caption to his photograph in the article describes him as "ABU former President".

(I have de-linked his name in the infobox, as the linked article was to an obviously different person of the same name.)

The post of 'Secretary General' is nowhere mentioned in the Union's article.

Google Translate rendered the text of the cited news article (in Voice of Vietnam), which is dated 05/12/2022 as:

Mr. Ahmed Nadeem will assume the position of Secretary General of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) from 1 April 2023.

Mr. Ahmed Nadeem will succeed Dr. Javad Mottaghi, who has served as Secretary General since May 2010 and will end his term at the end of March 2023. Mr. Nadeem is currently the Director, Technology & Innovation of ABU.

The information was released by the ABU Council after its meeting in New Delhi on 24 November 2022. The meeting took place within the framework of the 59th ABU General Assembly taking place from 25-30 November 2022 in New Delhi, India.

ABU was founded in 1964 as a non-profit, non-governmental, non-political professional association with the mission of supporting the development of radio and television in the region. Currently, ABU has more than 250 members in more than 70 countries on four continents.

The ABU General Assembly is held annually in member countries with many activities to promote cooperation in radio and television among member stations in the region as well as honor those working in this field. The ABU Prize is an important part of each General Assembly, honoring outstanding radio and television works of ABU member stations.

This year, Voice of Vietnam made a remarkable mark in the ABU Awards with 3 awards, including the first time winning 2 Excellence Awards in the category of news reportage in the Radio and Digital Media category.

This leaves some unresolved questions that the OP needs to clarify:

• Is Cho Dae-hyun indeed no longer the President of the ABU?
• If so, who (if anyone) has succeeded him?
• Does the OP propose that we add the post and office holder of Secretary General to the article?

or that we

• replace that of President with that of Secretary General?
• Since this report is two and a half years old, do we have any more up-to-date information about these post holders?

Hope this helps {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 04:51, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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Tổng thư ký Ahmed Nadeem

Ghi chú 1: Ông Ahmed Nadeem được bổ nhiệm làm Tổng Thư ký ABU. Nguồn: https://vov.vn/the-gioi/ong-ahmed-nadeem-duoc-bo-nhiem-lam-tong-thu-ky-cua-abu-post988457.vov, nguồn: https://vov.vn, ngày truy cập: 5 tháng 12 năm 2022 

2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 18:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Missing article 2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 09:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Translates as: "Note 1: Mr. Ahmed Nadeem was appointed as Secretary General of ABU. Source: ..."

Our article Ahmed Nadeem is about a cricketer; presumably not the same person.

How can we help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Elon Musk

Header added by ColinFine (talk)

Elon musk does Elon musk randomly pick people to give money and prizes to and charge money to activate for winners to receive prizes 2001:8003:B142:2500:5CEB:77FE:DAD4:9552 (talk) 10:16, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia, and nothing else. If your question is not answered in that article Elon Musk or by googling, I suggest that the answer is probably not publicly available. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

At the risk of encouraging further misuse of this help page, the answer is blindingly obvious. This is a scam. If you send money to 'activate' your prize (which everyone contacted by the scammers 'wins'), you get nothing back. And Elon Musk has nothing to do with it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:46, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

ChatGPT

Can I use ChatGPT to search within Wikipedia data only? 2A00:12D0:AF7B:5301:1C5D:F63:F2D3:DEDA (talk) 21:19, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Do you mean that you can use ChatGPT as a source? If that is, then no. Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 21:57, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

We are not ChatGPT experts here. Why not try asking ChatGPT this question? -Arch dude (talk) 22:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

If this is a question about what one can do with ChatGPT, it might be better to ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. (Arch dude, my own reason for not asking ChatGPT is that ChatGPT's responses tend to be garrulous, slick and vapid. Or more or less fictional, or both.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:20, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary: I was being slightly snarky. This user is clearly comfortable with ChatGPT's style and accuracy, so for this user, ChatGPT's response will be "ideal". -Arch dude (talk) 13:53, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

 Hoary likes this. 21:09, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Time equivalent for reference page template (rp)

For a multiple-use named-ref cite book, one can add a {{rp}} (reference page) following a named ref. e.g. [1] [1] [1] etc. Can I use it to for a multiple-use named-ref {{cite AV media}}? e.g. [1] -or- [1] Should I do something else? Thanks Adakiko (talk) 00:38, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@Adakiko: Yes you can use this. It's perfectly acceptable. I use the [1] form. -Arch dude (talk) 03:27, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thank you! Adakiko (talk) 17:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Ministry of Agriculture (North Korea)

Hello, help me, create this article or restore the draft, please. Don't enough any reliable sources. СтасС (talk) 10:18, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Go to WP:REFUND to ask to recover the draft. 331dot (talk) 10:24, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you!--СтасС (talk) 10:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Now you will help me find any reliable sources?--СтасС (talk) 05:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Probably not, СтасС. Finding reliable sources is hard work. Draft:Ministry of Agriculture (North Korea) currently has no sources. It's classed as a draft (it's in "draft space") but in reality it's not even a draft. Finding three sources that are reliable and independent of the North Korean government and of each other is your task. -- Hoary (talk) 06:56, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

I see.--СтасС (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

A log in problem: obsolete email address

Hi, When trying to log in from a different device, or trying to change my e-mail preferences on this device, I get a verification code sent to an obsolete email address. What can I do? Thanks Dan Gluck (talk) 10:48, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

If you no longer have access to the email address that the password recovery emails get sent to, you unfortunately will not be able to regain access to your account(unless you remember the password). Your only option would be to create a new ac

count and identify it as a successor to your current account("I am Dan Gluck2, I previously used Dan Gluck but lost access"). 331dot (talk) 10:55, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply.

I do remember the password, but I still get a requirement for a verification code, that is being sent to the obsolete email address.

Dan Gluck (talk) 11:04, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@Dan Gluck: If you know the password then mail ca@wikimedia.org (don't mail the password). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:54, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, problem solved. Dan Gluck (talk) 10:39, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Locating and editing political party color templates

Hello! I would kindly like to ask for some help in locating and editing the templates or pages of political parties. I'm after updating the shade of a certain political party as the color is exactly the same with a different party, making it difficult to use in the legends on tables from a list of incumbent officials. Searching them using the parties' names do not work for me. Thank you! FiveGeekabytes (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@FiveGeekabytes: You didn't name a page so we can check which coding it uses but it probably gets the color from Module:Political party#Data pages. See Module:Political party#Requesting an addition or a change. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:46, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! A bit of a correction on my part, the shades of Partido Federal ng Pilipinas and Laban ng Demokratiko are not exactly the same, but almost too similar that it's quite inditinguishable. It does use the coding from the source you've provided so I'll try to play around with the right shade at least or adopt a color from their official logo to see what works. Other than that, thank you very much! FiveGeekabytes (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Changing username

How do I change my username (ADMlN2948)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADMlN2948 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. InklingF (talk) 22:00, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Newspapers.com clipping link

Hi,

I was using Newspapers.com to find a source for an article that I'm working on, and I wanted to use a link of a clipping of an obituary for the URL section of the newspaper citation template. However, when I enter it in there, the template gives me back an error saying "Wikipedia Library link in URL". I was wondering if anyone here knows of a way to get a link from a newspaper.com clipping that doesn't have the wikipedia library link so that readers can actually access it (granted that they have a newspapers.com account)?

Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 02:48, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Surfinsi The current way to access newspapers.com via the Library should mean that you have a personal account on the newspapers.com website, so you can log on to that directly and generate the correct URL by looking at your saved clippings. If I remember correctly, there is also a way to strip out the WP library part of a valid URL for a clipping to leave just the direct link. So if you copy the full link into this thread, I think we can work out what to remove. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, @Michael D. Turnbull. Logging in through the website directly worked. Surfinsi (talk) 04:12, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Cabinet Secretariat (North Korea)

Draft:Cabinet Secretariat (North Korea)

Please, delete this draft, thanks. СтасС (talk) 07:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Done. -- Hoary (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Why car-related articles are sometimes semi-protected?

Hi, I'm just wondering why some car-related articles are Semi-protected? Such example as Hyundai Palisade, Volvo Cars, etc. Can Wikipedia users explain it to me why? Thanks. Rizky Juliandief (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hyundai Palisade says "[Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 06:00, 6 August 2025) (Persistent disruptive editing: per WP:RFPP". It's usually because some keyboard warriors keep disrupting the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:13, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rizky Juliandief: You can find the protection log by clicking the "View history" tab (or "Last edited" at the bottom of mobile pages) and then "View logs for this page" at top. The normal protection policy applies to car articles and I guess they have normal problems but I don't edit in that area. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Articles are protected on a case-by-case basis when there's problematic editing on it that needs to be stopped. Looking at the edit history for each one, Hyundai Palisade was protected because someone without an account kept messing up the sales table, and Volvo Cars was protected because someone without an account kept trying to add information that contradicted what the sources say. Every type of article gets problems like this now and then, it's not limited to car-related articles. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 17:11, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Referencing errors on List of British bingo nicknames

Special:Diff/1300265012

I've copied what I did before, and the citations are still coming up with errors. I've looked at your help pages and copied your format from there, but I still get errors. I'm at a loss on how to fix this - I've followed your article, but it doesn't seem to work.

How do I fix this?

List of British bingo nicknames

Also, the reference Belford, Walter C. (1940) is in a large text size compared to the other references

Thanks, Doc Bingo (talk) 08:59, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Doc Bingo, move {{refend}} below the entry for Belford. As for the template errors, as you view the page don't you see explanations? (For example, External link in |website=, meaning that the value specified for the attribute "website" is, but must not be, a URL. (So as an example, for the top page of The Guardian, not |website=https://www.theguardian.com, but instead |website=The Guardian.)

Incidentally, please don't cite the Daily Mail: it's not a reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 10:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for this managed to sort a few issues but still have a REF issue. Not sure what or where it is. In terms of the Mail Online reference - it is a self reported article ie the protagonist named in the article is the one who contacted the Mail about being banned and as such in this case it is justified to use the Source. I have read the notes about the Daily Mail and understand them, however they are not always going to be inaccurate in everything they report and as such using them as a source should can be justified in certain circumstances. Doc Bingo (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I've sorted some of the citation formatting so it's not currently throwing errors, although the shortened footnotes still need to be sorted.

The case of the Daily Mail publishing something self reported is exactly the type of case where citing the Daily Mail is not justified - there is no indiciation that any fact checking was done at all, and while there might be a grain of truth to the story, there's no indication that it's a part of a wider pattern or that something like that might happen to players-plural. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Doc Bingo Citation errors: You can't use {{cite web}} and not cite a website. Title is also a mandatory field. So click on the footnotes and add the missing info. MmeMaigret (talk) 11:11, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:B4B

Hello, I am not a native speaker and yes I use AI for translation. help me in writing the article. I am a Russian speaker, and this concept of the model has proven itself well in my homeland, and I would like it to develop worldwide, as it contributes to the development of good economic relations and global peace.I can't write the article myself because my English is very bad, I would like help in writing, not necessarily on my behalf, I have sources only in Russian and in the form of books, I can scan it to PDF. There is a link to the English version (but I don't know if this is a reliable source ) https://www.arimetrics.com/en/digital-glossary/b4b . also, here is my brief interpretation in Russian : "B4B (Business-for-Business, «бизнес для бизнеса») — управленческая концепция и модель взаимодействия между компаниями, в основе которой лежит идея создания взаимовыгодных партнёрских отношений как важного элемента устойчивого развития и роста бизнеса. Компании, применяющие принципы B4B, рассматривают долгосрочное сотрудничество с деловыми партнёрами в качестве одного из ключевых факторов повышения собственной конкурентоспособности. Подобное сотрудничество, как правило, включает технологическое и организационное развитие партнёров, обмен ресурсами, финансовую поддержку, совместную реализацию проектов, интеграцию бизнес-процессов, создание стратегических альянсов и другие формы совместной деятельности. Модель опирается на концепцию «win–win», которая применительно к В4В предполагает, что возникающая синергия способствует росту эффективности и развитию бизнеса всех участников партнёрской сети Projowio (talk) 10:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Projowio, Wikipedia already has an article on Business-to-business.   Maproom (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

There are a lot of pages on the English language wiki that shouldn't exist - the person isn't notable, there are no sources etc. If you can't find any English language sources, that's a good sign that it shouldn't exist on the English wiki. I get that the English wiki is seen as having more reach, but still. Also if you're English isn't that good, again maybe see that as a sign to stick to the Russian wiki. Too many people want to "create" pages. However, the answer to your "how-to" question is create the draft page off your user page, then ask experienced editors for help with the draft (incl grammar and translating the titles of the sources). MmeMaigret (talk) 06:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:NONENG, while English language sources are preferred, sources in other languages are admissible and do contribute to notability so long as they meet the other criteria for an independent, reliable secondary source.

That said, nobody here is going to write an article for you. We're all volunteers and we work on what interests us.

We do also have a Russian language wikipedia that needs more contributors, though. You could write the article there, in Russian. If it's a good article and well referenced, and if English wikipedia doesn't have an article on the topic, eventually someone may come along who's interested in translating it into English. -- Avocado (talk) 23:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Page not opening

I am Álvaro Jaló, and my Wikipedia article used to be accessible. I see it in Google results, but the page will not open on any browser or device. Can someone help me access or restore it? 2A02:6B67:D760:2700:35BF:17C7:45BC:14F4 (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

That article was deleted per the proposed deletion process with the reason "Expired PROD, concern was: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, only played 278 minutes in the Moldovan first league and the rest in low leagues". Search engines probably just haven't removed it yet. You can challenge this deletion at WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Did you edit Wikipedia before creating this account?

Yesterday, I got a message from an IP user asking if I edited Wikipaedia before using this account. You can see it here: User talk:Rafaelthegreat#Did you edit Wikipedia before creating this account?

In this long message, they listed some things I did that I shOuld not have done. So I want to apologize for doing those things. But that is not why I am here. They said this: "Some people, whether autistic or not, are just unfit to contribute to Wikipedia. Vandals, trolls, and abusive and disruptive editors can be blocked or banned, and being autistic is no excuse for unacceptable behaviour." I got confused. I don't think I ever made any excuses for being Autistic. I only included it in my user page.

If I did, please let me know.

Also, they think I used to have another account but got Blocked so I created a new one. That is not true. If you don't believe me, use the Check user tool (If that is what it is for).

The weird thing about this usEr is they only have 2 edits (The first one was made in 2023 and the second one was made for the question. Although this might've been mixed up by being shared.

This user might have been a robot too, because The message was extremely long.

He also said I used it as a therapy tool for autistic people. When did I do that?

Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:45, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Wow that message is uhh.. well it sure is long. I don't know what their beef is and I think you can safely ignore it. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Contrary to what they say, you are free to remove pretty much anything from your talk page except for declined unblock requests. You can safely remove their message if you don't feel the need to read or reply to it. Departure– (talk) 19:56, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

One more thing. The message is an LTA filter hit, contains unsubstantiated accusations that in my mind constitute personal attacks, might reasonably be AI generated, and is from what looks to be a throwaway IP. Maybe someone more acquainted with this sort of thing should look a bit more into the specific message being discussed here. Departure– (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

That IP has been to ANI with a similar demeanor a few years ago. I don't think they're using an LLM. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 09:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't think that message has been produced by AI. It reads like someone who knows an awful lot about how Wikipedia works. There's also a previous post from that IP address that is similarly lengthy and combative. Personally, I'd consider escalate it to the incident board. MmeMaigret (talk) 05:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

John Shrek McPhee delta operator

I am his first wife and mother of his only children 1- daughter 1- son together from 1992 thru 2003 i have all photos and docs to support this

i 2600:1005:B23E:619D:E8F0:F37F:700A:8527 (talk) 07:51, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

There are several articles about people named John McPhee; I'm not sure which one you are referring to(none have "Shrek" listed as a middle name). But Wikipedia articles summarize what publicly available reliable sources say about a topic; documents in private hands aren't acceptable. 331dot (talk) 08:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

And none of those McPhees seem to be a delta operator. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. If you have information to add to a Wikipedia article about somebody, then the best place to propose this is at that particular article's talk page.

Please note that Wikipedia articles should contain only information that is available from a reliable published source: personal memories, and unpublished documents, are not enough.

If you have a photo of the subject of an article and wish to donate it, then provided you own the copyright to the photo (which you usually will not unless you took the photo yourself) you can upload the photo to Wikimedia Commons by the upload wizard and it may possibly be added to the article. ColinFine (talk) 09:21, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

This is presumably regarding a US self-identified ex-Delta Force member (or "operator") John "Shrek" McPhee who has written one or more books and presents combat-related training courses on TV and YouTube. This site, Wikipedia, does not have an article on him, though another (unconnected) wiki, en.everybodywiki.com, does.

There appears to be contention about the accuracy of some of his published material. I suspect that any proposed article about him here might run into Reliable source difficulties. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 10:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

John McPhee (Ret. Special Forces) was deleted in 2017 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John McPhee (Ret. Special Forces). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

About phylogenies

So in Wikipedia, we have the clade template for phylogenies right? Can we directly use phylogeny images from scientific articles? Couldn't I just add the image to the article for now and later I would replace it with clade template? Jako96 (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

See c:COM:THIRD for guidance on using images from third parties. Note though, that if the diagram is a simple "family tree" type, with no creative component, then it contains data that cannot be copyrighted, so you can redraw it yourself, or ask at WP:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop for someone to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

About picture of Padma Shree Sanu Lama (Gadul Singh Lama)

the recent Photo is not Shri Sanu Lamas Photo. Please change it. I ve no idea if its possible. Information is correct but not the Photo. Thank you. 2001:2042:3736:6C00:FC2B:F881:A579:C0A9 (talk) 11:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Does this relate to Gadul Singh Lama? I have removed the image, but we have no replacement - perhaps you know of one? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Uploading Images of Artwork I Own

I own several works of art created by artist with Wikipedia bio article. I own the artwork free and clear. Also, the artists have been dead for 70+ years. Can I upload images of those works of art to Wiki Commons? Are there any restrictions I need to be aware of before I do that? Orygun (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Orygun.

First, note that owning the physical artwork does not give you ownership of the copyright or any associated rights (unless your purchase explicitly included them).

If the artist has been dead for that long, it may well be in the public domain - i.e. no copyright subsists in it - but this depends on a number of circumstances, most obviously which jurisdiction you are in. I suggest asking the experts at WP:MCQ.

Don't forget to specify the jurisdiction that you are in and that the artist produced the works in. ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks!-Orygun (talk) 03:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Orygun, your user page gives a fair clue to where you might be based. Our servers are in the US and follow US copyright, so I'd guess you can just go ahead at commons Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

July 2025

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/2400:1A00:7B46:309F:E5DD:415E:73EB:699B needs to be deleted. How can I make such a request? Jako96 (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I accidentally requested a sockpuppet investigation for 113.199.248.5 two times. How can I fix that? Jako96 (talk) 12:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

You should, I believe, be able to tag any mistakenly made pages (including SPI sub pages) you've made, and are the only substantive editor, by tagging them with {{Db-author}} (WP:CSD WP:G7) and/or {{Db-error}} (WP:G6). Skynxnex (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Jako96 (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

New English Wikipedia articles on a search engine

Hello! How long does it take for new English Wikipedia articles to appear on a search engine like Google? I have made multiple articles but do not appear online. How do you fix this? From: Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 22:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

It takes until WP:New pages patrol reviews them, or a maximum of 90 days. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:35, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thanks ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 22:40, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

VPN use while logged into Wikipedia

Hello. I have recently installed a VPN for use on websites other than Wikipedia. However, I am concerned about autoblocks from being idly logged in while the VPN is active (I generally have at least one WP tab on my browser for quick access). I would assume that the VPN's IP would be blocked as an open proxy and someone probably abused the IP to get it blocked. Therefore, will my account be autoblocked just for being logged on over an open proxy, or would the autoblock only kick in if I try to edit over the open proxy? QwertyForest (talk) 22:20, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

It is not permitted to edit via VPN. VPNs do not affect merely reading Wikipedia or any other activity besides editing(i.e. logging in). 331dot (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

This is not quite what I am asking. I am asking whether being logged on is sufficient to cause an autoblock on my account (which would prevent editing even after I turn the VPN off). QwertyForest (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Once the VPN is off, you'll be back on your original IP and shouldn't be subject to an autoblock. If you are, clearing your browser cache should clear it. 331dot (talk) 22:35, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. QwertyForest (talk) 22:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

musicians in Amarillo Texas

I would like to add a musician in Amarillo Texas Curtromanowski (talk) 16:47, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Curtromanowski Do you mean you wish to add an article about a musician for whom we do not presently have an article? Or do you mean you wish to add Category:Musicians from Amarillo, Texas to an existing article about a musician? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps they mean that there is a musician in need of directions? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 05:26, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

When Draft goes public?

Checking when draft goes publiv Positiveinlife (talk) 04:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I've added the AfC template to Draft:Councillor Supriya Singh, which I assume is the draft you were talking about. If you think it's ready, then you just need to click on "Submit The Draft For Review" and an AfC reviewer will look at it. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 04:59, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Positiveinlife. Drafts are public, if you know where to look for them. If you are asking when a draft becomes an encyclopedia article, most commonly, that is when an Articles for creation reviewer accepts it. But any autoconfirmed editor can move a draft to the main space of the encyclopedia. At that point, new page patrollers can take a variety of steps, including moving it back to draft space or tagging it for deletion. The fact of the matter is that many poor quality drafts never make it into the encyclopedia and are deleted by a bot six months after editing of them stops. Cullen328 (talk) 05:05, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Positiveinlife, you say that this photograph is your own work. Can we infer that you are doing PR work for Supriya Singh? -- Hoary (talk) 06:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I think it's more likely that the photo is not their own work as they claimed and that they simply took it from the Fine Gael website. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 11:50, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Positiveinlife Be aware that drafts about living people have to meet a policy that all substantive facts are backed up by inline citations to already-published sources which verify the information. At present, your draft has no sourcing for the "Early life" or "Personal life" sections and is likely to be declined just for that reason. It is possible that the types of sources mentioned in this advice would be acceptable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Accidental inclusion of personal info in edit summary — request for advice

Hi, I accidentally included my real name in an edit summary and would like to request revision deletion for privacy reasons.The edit was made on Malcom-Jamal Warner on 22 July 07:26am, and the summary begins with “Here’s an edit summary…”Could someone advise on the best way to proceed or direct me to an admin who can help? Thanks in advance! ItsShandog (talk) 07:38, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

You can follow the instructions over at WP:SUPPRESS to get it removed. In future, avoid using LLMs for your edits - we want to hear what you have to say, not a robot. CoconutOctopus talk 07:53, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I only use LLMs to help refine the wording it doesn’t write everything for me. It write the edit summary myself and it just refines it that’s all. ItsShandog (talk) 07:57, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I write the edit summary myself* ItsShandog (talk) 08:02, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

And also thank you. ItsShandog (talk) 08:08, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

That's okay, just make sure you're aware of the limitations of them :) CoconutOctopus talk 08:09, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely, thank you. :) ItsShandog (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Just FYI it is not expected that edit summaries and talk page posts be grammatically and stylistically perfect. 331dot (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I’ll keep that in mind from now on. Thank you. ItsShandog (talk) 08:21, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Question for administrator

{{Admin help}}

What was the reason for the deletion of my newly created page, 'The Tipsy Mystery,' by user User:Jimfbleak? Infinityblu (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

If you click on The Tipsy Mystery, you will see it was deleted as unambiguous promotion. 331dot (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

But this page isn't create for any promotional purposes. Infinityblu (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

You wrote an article about a TV show before the show is even released. There is no reason to do that except for publicity purposes, which isn't permitted.

You can start over in draft space and submit it for review. See WP:AFC for details. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:18, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Infinityblu, you actually wrote about an unreleased TV show: The story follows Ping (Engfa), a famous spirit medium, who unexpectedly gets involved in a wild party called “PARADISE SEVEN”, a hotspot for hot young people, including four notorious playboys: Pee (Tre), Ter (Sarun), Jock (Point), and Doong (Chae). Also present is Bam (Nichaphat), a stunningly attractive and seductive woman whose fiery allure sets the party ablaze. That is overtly promotional language which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@331dot, Anachronist, and Cullen328: thanks all. Infinityblu, if you have further queries about the deletion, please ask on my talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:40, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Google visibility of the Wiki Article

Hello WikiTeam, I'd like to express my appreciation for all the great work you’re doing here. I also respond to your financial support calls in Czechia. I just wanted to ask if you could provide me with any idea what I could do to earn the JETRON article (Jetron) visibility on Google. I would really appreciate any tips! Many thanks, Tomas Tomas Cafourek (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Tomas Cafourek The article will not be made available to search engines until the new pages patrol have checked it meets Wikipedia's standards, especially for notability, or 90 days have elapsed. The NPP are heavily backlogged. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Tomas Cafourek, you can learn more about this process at Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. Cullen328 (talk) 17:22, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Aside from what the others have said, you weren't supposed to create the article directly since you're a paid editor. You must use the Articles for Creation process to publish any article you create. I'm not sure what we can do now since it's been a month. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 18:01, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Draft:Jetron, because it is not clear that the subject meets our criteria for articles about companies, and because several of its statements are uncited.

Please feel free to continue to work on it three, and when you feel those issues are adequately addressed, use The AFC process to submit it for review by a neutral editor.

In future, when you are paid to write articles, please do so in "Draft": space" and use the aforesaid process; do not publish them directly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Username Correction

Hi, I inadvertently misspelled my first name of my username. I spelled it Kenneh Armstrong and it should be Kenneth Armstrong. How do I correct it? Kenneh Armstrong (talk) 22:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Seeing as this is your only edit so far, the easiest way is to just create a new account with the correct name. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

My company acquired this company with an existing wiki page and we need to delete it

Hello. My company Alorica had acquired this company Expert Global Solutions in 2016. We are in the process of creating our own Alorica Wikipedia page, but we need to either merge or delete this Expert Global Solutions page. Is that possible to do? AloricaMarketing (talk) 19:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@AloricaMarketing Generally no. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a trade directory.

Note that there is no such thing as our Wikipediaa page. You also need to abide by WP:PAID and other policies. You may not advertise here. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 19:40, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

No advertising here. Apologies for the incorrect terminology. There is currently no encyclopedia Alorica page, and I am in the process of authoring one so there is one for the company. For companies that are subsidiaries of other companies and have an encyclopedia page already, how does one go about creating something that merges into the parent company encyclopedia page. AloricaMarketing (talk) 19:46, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't know much about this company, but I noticed that Alorica is apparently the subject of a diss track by Bryson Gray. Fabrickator (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

A merge may not be appropriate; as an encyclopaedia, we want to preserve historical information.

Our article about Expert Global Solutions already states in its lede that the company was acquired by Alorica in 2016: when an article about Alorica is successfully drafted, submitted, assessed and accepted, that mention can be wikilinked to it.

On a separate point, please note that your current Username is unacceptable, since it denotes a position within an organisation rather than an individual. For legal reasons, all user accounts must pertain to a single individual (see Wikipedia:Username policy#Usernames implying shared use). You can ask for it to be changed to something like "Fred at AloricaMarketing" as instructed at Wikipedia:Username policy#Changing your username. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 05:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Pronouns

How should articles refer to people who use neutral pronouns other than "they/them," such as "ze/zer," "ze/hir," "xe/xem," among others? Should these be used or should "they" be used? Questionadora ávida (talk) 09:24, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Neopronouns and the singular they says Singular they/them/their pronouns are appropriate to use in reference to any person who goes by them. If a person exclusively goes by neopronouns, such as ze/hir, then singular they should also generally be used instead of neopronouns when referring to that individual, though their neopronouns should usually be mentioned in their biography (in the main prose or in a footnote). TSventon (talk) 09:47, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Edit

Members of the Secretariat of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union include: Indra Prakash Singh (Director of News) and Cail Yanijang (Director of Sports) and Dr Veysel Binday (Director of Technology & Innovations) and Aoki Kazumori (Director of Pogramming) 2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 09:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

If you have changes to suggest to a Wikipedia article, post on that article's talk page - but remember that all information in a Wikipedia article should be verifiable from a reliable published source. Your unsupported word will not be accepted. ColinFine (talk) 10:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

user:my name page

I was under the impression that what was being asked for below user:my name was information about myself for other users or administrators, that it was not in anyway an article that would be posted as an information page on wikipedia.

so what do you want on user:my name ? what should i be putting there and for what purpose?

Larry Beinhart (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Larry Beinhart: I didn't see what you had written there previously, and I'm not an administrator so I can't see deleted content, but speaking generally, your user page ideally should contain information about you within the context of being a Wikipedia editor. Some other personal information is permissible, but the page should reflect you as an editor and not look more like a more general social media profile. Hope this helps. --Finngall ^talk 19:38, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Larry Beinhart There is a more detailed account of what is and what isn't acceptable on user pages at the links I have provided. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

listing our business

Good day. How could we get our business listed on Wikipedia? Barnesrbj (talk) 11:55, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Basically, you don't. The business should meet Wikipedia's standards of notability, and if you are linked to the business in some way, you should declare a conflict of interest. See WP:BOSS and WP:NCORP for more detail.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:26, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Hard copy

Hi. I have a citation that is no longer online. I reviewed a hard copy and can verify it. Is there a template to indicate that to the reader? I checked your archive and didn't find the answer. Sorry if I missed it. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

What do you mean by "hard copy" in this context, SusanLesch? (If you mean a published codex of which a since-deleted PDF, cited by an article, has subsequently been deleted, this would be different from a print-out you made of a web page that has subsequently been deleted.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:09, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

It's a 2006 Shape magazine article. I looked for the back issue, and cannot get it online, even in the Internet Archive. Since then I was sent a PDF of the back issue including the article I am citing. I'd like a template to indicate that the information has actually been seen and read. Does that help? -SusanLesch (talk) 02:15, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

SusanLesch, just fill in the blanks within {{Cite magazine | first= | last= | title= | magazine=[[Shape (magazine)|Shape]] | date= | pages= }} (and adjust it, if for example the article has two coauthors); and use that. No need for any URL or mention of having been, not having been, or not being available on the web. -- Hoary (talk) 02:48, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

All right. Thank you for your help, Hoary. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:43, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Review request: Draft:Satish Nambardar

Hello respected reviewers,

I have recently submitted the draft article titled "Draft:Satish Nambardar" for review under Articles for Creation. I have tried my best to ensure the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines on notability, neutrality, reliable sources, and structure.

The draft includes independent and reliable references from regional news publications such as Dainik Tribune and Amar Ujala. I have also declared any possible conflict of interest and followed the suggestions from Wikipedia’s help pages.

I kindly request you to review the draft whenever convenient. I’d be grateful for any feedback or improvements needed for approval.

Draft link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Satish_Nambardar

Warm regards,  

Satish Nambardar Satish nambardar (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Here's a link that works:Draft:Satish Nambardar.

If you are writing about yourself, that is not advised, please see the autobiography policy.

The image in the draft appears to be professionally taken, but you claim it as your personal work, please clarify. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

To actually submit the draft, click the "submit your draft for review!" button on the screen. 331dot (talk) 19:38, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Satish nambardar. You were told as early as April 2025 that creating an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged. That post is still at the top of your talkpage. Have you not seen it? Also, where is it you have "declared any possible conflict of interest"? I can't see anything like that on your userpage or user talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 19:46, 21 July 2025 (UTC).

Hello, @Satish nambardar. Your draft has no inline references at all, so it has no chance of being accepted.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources, and very little else (see WP:42).

It follows that in writing an article, once you have found the necessary independent sources, you need to effectively forget everything you know about the subject and summarise what those sources say. Do you see why this might be especially difficult when writing about yourself? ColinFine (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• I believe it is just a politician promoting themselves, so I speedy deleted it. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Should references always link to archived websites?

I'm wondering if there's a reason why most citations don't just link to an archived page on the Internet Archive, since this would help prevent dead links. Does linking to an archived website not count as proper attribution if the website is still active or something? ~ Nikoledood (talk) 20:16, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Nikoledood. I think it's just because it would be another search for people to find the archived version, and you'd also have to set archive-date and set the url-status=live, so people usually don't bother. It's fine to add an archive-url, which is ignored until the url-status is set to dead. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

See also WP:IABOT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:50, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! ~ Nikoledood (talk) 16:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Connection

I made a Simple English article called Raphael (given name) but it is not connected to the English Raphael (given name). Can someone connect them please? ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:52, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, looks like Mjroots has already linked them. JustEMV (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah, it did work then. I tried, but couldn't get the links to appear in the sidebar for me. They are now showing for me. Mjroots (talk) 17:34, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I works, thanks. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 17:45, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Q1

Bonjour! How can I give thanks? Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 17:12, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat See WP:WikiLove, or for specific edits, use the edit history of an article/page and click on the "publicly send thanks" link at the right of the relevant edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Bonjour, Rafaelthegreat. If you want to give general thanks to another editor, just leave a message on their talk page. See WP:BARNSTAR for some standardized ways of doing so. Read Help:Notifications/Thanks for a method of thanking someone for a specific edit. Cullen328 (talk) 17:31, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Lost everything, please help!

I was creating a sand box for my college course and now everything I did the hours spent is all lost. Is there a way you can help me recover all the work I put into this? Lost Sanity (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Your list of "contributions" (edits) here shows but a single edit: the one immediately above. And nobody else has edited User:Lost Sanity/sandbox either. So what is lost to you is also lost to everybody else. -- Hoary (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @Lost Sanity.

I'm sorry you lost your work. I wonder if (like many people) you were confused by the "Publish" button, and avoided picking it?

That is the button that used to be called "Save" - it was changed to "Publish" to emphasise that every page on Wikipedia - articles, drafts, talk pages, user pages, sandboxes - is public: there are no private workspaces. But it doesn't mean "publish to the main encyclopaedia" - for new users you do that by submitting the draft for review (see WP:AFC)

So you can publish (i.e. save) your sandbox or draft often: it will be visible to anybody who goes looking for it (eg looking at the "recent edits" list, or at your user contributions), but people idly searching won't find it, because it isn't in the main namespace, and it won't be indexed by external search engines. ColinFine (talk) 22:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I doubt that a college course would merit an article in any case. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: OP said they were writing for a college course, not about a college course. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:46, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Bar chart from Hell

I tried copying and then incrementally modifying the launch chart from Long March 3B to Long March 3A (e.g. deleting the last column) without success. Where's the documentation? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: There is quite a lot to read about tables structure, see links at WP:TABLE. --CiaPan (talk) 20:42, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what bar chart you refer to, but H:BCHART could be of some help... --CiaPan (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: The source of Long March 3B#Launch statistics says #invoke:Chart so it uses Module:Chart. I haven't examined what the values should be but [7] will avoid a module error if you delete the last colon in each group so they end with a number, and you add five colons somewhere in x legends so it gets 30 colons like the groups. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks. It was that darn last number not having a colon that caused all the problems. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:04, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Umar Buba Jibrin

Genuinely unsure if this is the best place to post this, but could use a second opinion.

In recent edits at Umar Buba Jibrin, the subject's name has been changed throughout, from Jibrin to Jibril. This is backed up by the new sources given; older sources have the other spelling.

I have no idea how to handle this, if anything needs doing. Does the article itself need renaming? Would someone please take a look? I'm willing to fix the footnotes mess, but don't want to change the page until the name issue is resolved. Thank you, Jessicapierce (talk) 01:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Interesting situation indeed. (You're probably aware of this already but) the first thing I noticed was this edit, might be WP:COI editing or WP:OR; I would check the info added there carefully for source-text integrity. The same editor also made this, with the edit summary "Correction of name from Jibrin to Jibril". Other Help desk people probably can answer better, but I would follow WP:COMMONNAME and go with what most sources say. @Isah Yahaya, perhaps you could weigh in on the meaning of this edit? GoldRomean (talk) 02:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you - I had actually totally missed that edit summary. For the time being, given the many issues going on there, I've restored the earlier version. I appreciate the help! Jessicapierce (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

page guideline

I have created new company's page on wikipedia noe my page is in draft kindly guide what will be the next step? Volkio German Lube (talk) 11:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a 'company page' on Wikipedia. We have encyclopaedic articles, on subjects meeting our notability criteria (see WP:NCORP), which must be base on, and cited to published reliable sources independent of the subject. Since you provide no link to your draft, we clearly cannot give advice on whether it meets our requirements, but if you are sure it does, first make a declaration per WP:COI and WP:PAID, and then submit the draft per WP:AFCREVIEW. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Which page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

donations

How do I continue to donate to Wikipedia if you continue to allow bad-faith editors to manipulate content and allow extremist opinions in different languages? 142.76.0.20 (talk) 18:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. We have no jurisdiction or control over any of the other Wikipedias. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 18:29, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Donations are collected by the Wikimedia Foundation, and do not go to us editors. Donations or withholding donations has no impact on article content. We can only help you with issues on the English Wikipedia, each language version has its own policies and editors.

If you have specific concerns about article content, please discuss them on the relevant article talk page. 331dot (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

If you have evidence of "bad faith editors manipulating content", there are ways you can report that. 331dot (talk) 18:30, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

How to create a infobox musical artist

How to create a infobox musical artist Minniehazard (talk) 19:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

They already exist at Infobox musical artist. If you mean you want to use it, let me know. Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 21:59, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Removing or hiding IP address from talk page of an article

Before creating an account I added a topic on the talk page of an article, I used my IP address and would now like to hide or remove my IP address from that page (without deleting the topic). Any ideas on how to do this? Thanks! ShutUpSam (talk) 00:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Contact the Oversight team privately. Give them the IP address and any additional info they need to redact the edits. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 00:07, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Help with our Submission that was previously declined

Hello Team Wikipedia,

We wanted to circle back with you on the Barry Navidi Wikipedia page we submitted.

Draft:Barry Navidi from our account World We Want

I understand our submission was declined. I checked with my assistant and unfortunately she did use ChatGPT to tidy up the language and I apologise for not picking up this.

I understand we only have one more chance to submit the application.

Barry Navidi has been referenced on a few Wikipedia pages and is definitely a noted filmmaker with credible film credits such as with Al Pacino.

In fact his film Divine Rapture with Marlon Brando also has its own Wikipedia page with Barry referenced: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Rapture

Barry was also quoted by his producer partner Al Pacino in an article that came out on Friday in The Guardian newspaper and website:https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/jun/26/al-pacino-art-film-modigliani-three-days-on-the-wing-of-madness

I would be very grateful for any guidance on how we could improve our chances for having the Wikipedia page accepted for Barry.

I await to hear from you. Many Thanks World we want (talk) 11:57, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello @World we want. On the contrary, you don't have "one more chance". The draft process doesn't work like that, where did you get that information from?

You need to very carefully verify the entire contents of the draft and every source to ensure that any trace of ChatGPT has been removed, that all the sources are accurate and work, and that all the pieces of information in the draft are verified. Then, press the Resubmit button to re-submit the draft for review. qcne (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) 1) There is no such thing as "Team Wikipedia". Wikipedia is edited, for the most part at least, by volunteers in whatever free time they might have; 2) Who is "our"? Note that shared accounts aren't permitted here. If you are paid or otherwise connected to the topics you write about that must be disclosed properly. 3) The existence (or lack thereof) of "similar" articles has no bearing on wether this one will, each is judged on its own merits. 4) There is no concrete number of attempts one may make to submit a particular draft for review, although continuous improvement should be visible. 5) As for the draft, at minimum someone will need to go over it again, checking for the things that are mentioned in the decline notice. Note that we do not cite Wikipedia or WP:IMDB. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:50, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

You keep using the pronoun "we"; does this mean that this account is being used by more than one person? Because that is forbidden under our Terms and Conditions; each account must be used by one individual human being. An account cannot be shared among multiple persons, nor can it be assigned to a role rather than a human being. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:36, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

World we want, the lead section of your draft starts out with some industrial strength name-dropping and then wraps up with crystal ball gazing. That's not the way to write an encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:18, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Getting a flat list of all child articles within a Category tree?

How can I generate/ view a single flat list of all WP articles that fall into the Category:1880s_novels ?

If I browse the tree in WP, I get endless sub-, sub-sub-etc divisions. How can I see the complete *flat* list of every novel in the category? It seems that this should be an obvious basic request, but basic or not I can't see how to do it! Thanks Scarabocchio (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Scarabocchio WP:PetScan should be able to do this, although I admit I have never used it! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:59, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. This does *exactly* what I asked for ... but ... the list has no structure, and I can't preview the article on a mouse-hover, which makes it hard to explore. If there are any other suggestions for other tools/ listings, please keep them coming. (Does wikidata do know about enWP categories?) Scarabocchio (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

When I run into the "no-hover" problem, I copy/paste the list into Excel and add all the double square-brackets on each row using the built-in string functions so that when "Previewed" back in my sandbox the list now gives standard Wikilinks. Excel also allows sorting, obviously, and once you get the hang of it the whole process is fast. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Nifty! thanks. Scarabocchio (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Scarabocchio I've just found out today that PetScan has an "Output" tab which allows .csv files to be created directly, thus saving the copy/paste part and being better for long lists. Sorting is also possible. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:49, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@LoveElectronicLiterature, this query is relevant to your interests! -- asilvering (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Got what I needed! (which turns out to be a tree of all child articles in a cat)

{{category tree all|1880s novels|mode=pages|depth=4}} will show all of the pages in their tree structure. Unfortunately, you have to click to expand each level, but all are there, and all show which sub, and sub-sub categories they fall within. Scarabocchio (talk) 13:20, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

How do you do expand that tree? Thanks! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:08, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Wow thanks for this. However, I get a flat file of 1,867 items when I go four levels deep on the category Electronic literature. It would be extremely helpful to also note the actual category itself (electronic literature writers, electronic literature critics, electronic literature works, hypertext, storyspace, etc.) Notifying @Lijil as well. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:07, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I put the template call into my sandbox, and previewed the change. That gave me the top level and the first level of child categories. I then had to click on every 'right pointing arrow' to open the next level of sub categories. Repeat recursively until every relevent child category is open. I then cut-and-pasted the fully expanded tree into a text editor. (I used emacs and set up a macro to add all of the current parent categories to the start of each line. Other processing wrinkles exist). Scarabocchio (talk) 17:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Edits reverted with the reasoning "consensus is needed"

My edits on Joey (Concrete Blonde song) have been repeatedly reverted by @FlightTime with the reasoning I need consensus. That's fair, but here's the problem, they've given no reason for why they dispute my edits and no other editors have shared their viewpoint. I tried doing the edits as an edit request and FlightTime denied it with "no consensus". Why am I getting consensus on three reliably sourced and explicit genres, changing a band's genre to match that of their article and linking the previous singles to its article? I've asked FlightTime on their talk page their reasoning for disputing my edits, but I see nothing wrong and controversial with them. Also I never reverted my edit. When I reinstated the genres, I only did so once, and in the body instead of the infobox like my first edit, so this is not an edit warring situation. CleoCat16 (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@CleoCat16 It sounds as though you should use one or more of the methods described at WP:Dispute resolution, via the Talk Page of the article. Beware that assigning "genres" to music has long been a subject of contention in Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Trust me, I know how controversial genres can be. I may fight my cause on the talk page, but I'm not sure if it's worth it. I wanted to add to the body of the article, but considering I can't even link the previous single in the infobox, I may just accept defeat and move on. Thanks for your help! CleoCat16 (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

It would seem that User:FlightTime, who has been here long enough to know better, needs to be reminded of WP:DNRNC, which, while "only" an essay, pretty much aligns with expected custom and practice here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:41, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

SSW-II/BE/OR/2024/255865

Status of above file. Kolkata office intimated me this file had been transferred to Delhi office since last 5/6 days. 103.153.143.206 (talk) 08:48, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Sir or madam, this is the Helpdesk of the English-Language Wikipedia, whose sole purpose is to help with problems in editing and using Wikipedia.

Your problem does not appear to be anything to do with Wikipedia, but rather a matter of Information Technology procedures likely internal to your commercial employer, which we cannot help you with.

If I am mistaken, please explain the problem in more detail. I hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Valid wiki link redlinks

On wiki article titled List of eponymous diseases, multiple attempts to link an entry for Blocq disease to the wiki article Blocq’s disease using correct link format (double [ bracketed Blocq’s disease|Blocq disease double ] bracketed) have failed, resulting in a redlink. What is causing this? Thanks Irish Melkite (talk) 09:34, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict). It's important to spell the article name exactly right. You're spelling it Blocq’s disease, with a curly apostrophe, which makes it not a valid wikilink. Wikipedia uses straight apostrophes, so the correct link is Blocq's disease. Bishonen | tålk 09:57, 21 July 2025 (UTC).

@Irish Melkite: Some devices and programs have a setting to automatically use curly apostrophes and quotation marks. The setting may be called "smart quotes" or "smart punctuation". If you have such a setting then I suggest to disable it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:08, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I suspected that the apostrophe might be the issue as I had a similar problem with dashes some years ago. I’ve no idea how to differentiate the two apostrophes on my phone. I suspect it may be easier to deal with on my desktop, which is what I ordinarily use when editing. I’ll figure it out. Thanks again. Irish Melkite (talk) 10:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Irish Melkite: If you have an iPhone: Settings > General > Keyboard > "Smart Punctuation". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks - that worked Irish Melkite (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Requesting review of recent edits on Kullikare

Hello, I have recently made some edits on Kullikare where I have added sources and corrected information. I prefer editing articles that require research and improving them with references, but I am still learning, so I would appreciate it if someone could review my edits and let me know if they are appropriate. Thank you.

– Gvihar Gvihar (talk) 11:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Gvihar Thanks for adding to that article. My main comment is that you added external links into the body text, which we almost never do, as explained at my link. Instead, you can wikilink to other topics mentioned, or convert the external links to citations if they verify the text in the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:24, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and suggestion. I will make sure not to add direct external links in the article body and will use them as references instead. Your guidance is helping me learn better. Thank you again!

– Gvihar Gvihar 13:40, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Gvihar and Michael D. Turnbull: I have had a look at your edits to the article. The article about an Estonian island was tagged with no sources since 2012. You have edited it to say that "there are no official records of an island with this name in verified sources". I think that is WP:Original research, which is not allowed on Wikipeida. If it was impossible to find sources I would suggest a deletion nomination, however fr:Kullilaid does have a source, so I would suggest using that. TSventon (talk) 13:55, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for checking and guiding. I will remove the “no official records” sentence and will try to add the source from fr:Kullilaid to improve the article. Your advice is helping me to follow Wikipedia policies. Thanks again.

– Gvihar Gvihar 14:04, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon Hmm. The one French source is an Estonian site at this URL. A tiny uninhabited island of 50 x 50 metres size won't meet the notability requirements of WP:GEOLAND, nor any other notability guideline unless extra sources are found. Maybe a WP:PROD or WP:AfD would be the kindest outcome. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your guidance. I have now removed the “no official records” sentence to avoid WP:OR and rephrased the article for neutrality. I have kept the coordinates with a note that further verification and reliable sources are needed, and will consider a PROD nomination if no sources are found. Your help is greatly appreciated as I learn to edit responsibly on Wikipedia.

Thanks again!

– Gvihar (talk) Gvihar 14:37, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Sidebar

On search engines like Google Chrome or Bing, If you type something, sometimes you will see a sidebar including information from Wikipedia. Take for example McDonald's. If you search it up on Chrome, you will see a sidebar saying "McDonald's Corporation, doing business as McDonald's, is an American multinational fast food chain. As of 2024, it is the second largest by number of locations in the world, behind the Chinese chain Mixue Ice Cream & Tea." and then would show a link saying "Wikipedia >" after the text. How does this work? ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 16:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat: We get many complaints about errors in other parts of such sidebars so we made a stock reply {{HD/GKG}} which may also be helpful to you. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh thanks! ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 16:57, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia has no control over how external search engines display their results. They often seem to contain text from the opening paragraph of a Wikipedia article, but it may be out of date and contain mistakes, vandalism etc or may not even be from Wikipedia at all. Search engine sidebars are not a substitute for visiting a Wikipedia article and should not be seen as actual Wikipedia text.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Not approved due to sources be primary? Error: S0091

Jay Sweet (musician)

for some reason, this page was up and running for quite some time and now wont be approved, it keeps getting denied, how can i fix this?? 2600:4809:8851:5000:BC32:8307:AEC3:296B (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

It is now at Draft:Jay Sweet (musician). Please see the messages left by reviewers. 331dot (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, S0091 is a user, not an error code. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 22:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Ha! I don't know @ChildrenWillListen, maybe I am just an error code. S0091 (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Shirley Temple, Freed

Temple clearly stated that Freed entered the room fully naked. He was a known pedophile. Wikipedia paints him as a flasher. There is a difference between a sick mind thinking that exposing one's genitalia is somehow comedy and a person that has sex with children. Do not excuse Freed as the former when the eyewitness account is of the latter. Freed was a pedophile. 174.67.150.56 (talk) 19:51, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Currently, the article on Arthur Freed cites this Vanity Fair article which in turn quotes an extract from Temple's autobiography Child Star - in which Temple does not say that he entered the room fully naked (perhaps she said that somewhere else?). What I don't see, is how the article paints Freed as a flasher, could you quote the actual phrasing that you object to? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Please make suggestions for improvement (with an explicit proposal, e.g, "instead of X, say Y") on the talk page of the article in question, including a reliable citation which supports the proposal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Mitzura Arghezi

Why is Mitzura Arghezi "Romanian of Hungarian origin"? Only Arghezi's second wife, Rozalia (Iosif Barutu's mother), was from Transylvania... 109.166.138.68 (talk) 15:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I take it this is about the article, Mitzura Arghezi? Which includes the sentence, "Her mother, Paraschiva, hailing from a rural family of Bukovina Romanians, was Arghezi's second wife." And since the article doesn't include the text "Romanian of Hungarian origin", I am guessing your objection is to being in the Category:Romanian people of Hungarian descent? It would really be helpful if you could be specific about your concerns - so that we can know how to help you. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 15:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Anthony Myint

Anthony Myint has big problems, I don't know how to tag or analyze it, but this page and the edit history look odd.

Piñanana (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Well in this edit, there were innapropriate external links added, and a personal life section added that was cited to a broken link. So I've reverted that one, which was by yourself. Were there other problems jumping out at you? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 09:04, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I have cleaned it up some more. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 16:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Editing on Wikipedia

So, I edited something from 2026 Senate Elections from Minnesota. It was a valid and I am curious why it was taken down and how I can edit appropriately. PoliticalFav (talk) 01:30, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@PoliticalFav: look at the edit summaries added by the reverting editor. Do this by looking at the article's "history" tab. Your first attempt was unsourced, and when you subsequently used a source3, it was not a valid source. discuss this with the reverting editor on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 03:23, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Help with publishing a page

Hello I want help as we keep on submitting to publish a page about Yale Center for Ecosystems + Architecture (Yale CEA) but this keeps on getting rejected or not added. Please help me? Thank you! Hindver (talk) 14:49, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Please make a formal disclosure of your conflict of interest, see WP:COI. If you receive any form of compensation(including if you are employed by Yale) the Terms of Use require disclosure, see WP:PAID.

You have a draft in your sandbox, but it has not been submitted. If a draft was submitted via the Article Wizard, please link to it.

Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell about themselves, their offerings, and what they consider to be their own history. A Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

User also being helped on #wikipedia-en-help qcne (talk) 15:01, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Yale Center for Ecosystems + Architecture is totally unsourced and has problems with WP:NPOV. See your first article for more help.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:25, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Contributing to Wikipedia

Hello,

I'm wondering why I am no longer able to select the "contribute" option in the toolbar of my account. I'm in good standing and have already had an article accepted. Do I need to keep editing articles regularly to keep my contribution access?

Thank you Mepperson94 (talk) 18:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with what you speak of, but drafts may be created and submitted via the Article Wizard. It's not required that you make edits regularly. 331dot (talk) 18:14, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Try Special:Contribute. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Vreau să renunț la cont

Nu mă mai regăsesc în aceste pagini. Vă rog să mă ajutați să-mi schimb id-ul. Aș dori să-mi fie șters contul de utilizator. Vă mulțumesc! Cora Barcan (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

This is the help page for the English-language Wikipedia. If you have questions about Wikis in other languages, or if your question is not one that can be conducted in English, I would suggest starting with our counterpart in your preferred language, which I am guessing might be Romanian. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:21, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Cora Barcan (talk) 20:42, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

The question translates as

I want to cancel my account

I can't find myself on these pages anymore. Please help me change my ID. I would like to have my user account deleted. Thank you!

Possibly a good place to ask would be ro:Wikipedia:Cafenea. TSventon (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

wikipedia page of kailash chandra agarwal - sanjeev bot नामक बॉट द्वारा विकिपीडिया पर पृष्ठों को हटाने की नीति

As It is tagged as flagged content, I do not know what the exact reason is, so kindly suggest what to do and give me time. Narayansmm (talk) 10:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Narayansmm. As far as I can tell, English Wikipedia does not have an article (or draft) called Kailash Chandra Agarwal, so I cannot tell what article you are referring. Again, if you are talking about an article in Hindi Wikipedia, you must ask there, not here. ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Why my Wikipedia page sub-headings don't close?

My Wikipedia pages opens in its full form. Every sub heading is open, cannot be closed. So the page looks too much large and difficult to read. Please tell me how to close the sub headings? Muhammad Waleed Rana (talk) 19:48, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

@Muhammad Waleed Rana: Collapsible sections are a feature of the mobile version of the site. Click "Mobile view" at the bottom of a page. They start out collapsed in a narrow window like a smartphone. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it worked. Thanks Muhammad Waleed Rana (talk) 07:42, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Location of Narwarowka

Hi, does anybody know where Narwarowka is. It is for the Robert Barth article. . It could be an a Russian appellation that has been translated to German and then English and went right off the beam. I've no idea where it is. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 15:33, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

There's a note in the article saying it is/was a village 60km to the S by SE of Warsaw but Google maps fails to find either Narwarowka or Narvarovka, which is how Google translates the cited German source so Anfang März 1942 lief er bei Narwarowka zur Roten Armee über. ln der Sowjet union erhielt er eine Ausbildung als Fallschirmspringer für illegale Einsätze in Deutschland. becomes At the beginning of March 1942, he defected to the Red Army near Narvarovka. In the Soviet Union, he received training as a paratrooper for illegal missions in Germany. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: That is more or less the problem. There is another authorative source that says it Kramatorsk in the Donetsk region. I can identify that clearly, but can't find Narwarowka on a map, which means a sources vary. scope_creep^Talk 16:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

The only other Google books hit I can find is Die 14. [i.e. vierzehnt] Panzer-Division, 1940-1945 by Rolf Grams · 1957 pp 28– 29 Am 1. 10. 1941 trat die Division den Vormarsch unter großen Schwierigkeiten ( Minenfelder , Bombenangriffe ) über Losowatka - Pe- trowskaja - Narwarowka - Sjofjewka ( Pawlowskije ) - Grigorjewski ( bei einem Nachtgefecht büßte der Stab des Pz . Rgt . 36 alle Fahrzeuge ein ) -Sherebez - Wassinowka und erreichte am 5. 10. mit vordersten Teilen Pologi . via Google translate On October 1st, 1941 the division began its advance under great difficulties (minefields, bomb attacks) via Losovatka - Petrovskaja - Narwarowka - Sjofjewka (Pawlowskije) - Grigorjewski (in a night battle the headquarters of the 36th Panzer Regiment lost all its vehicles) - Sherebez - Vasinowka and reached Pologi with the most advanced units on October 5th. so a place formerly called Narwarowka may be near Pologi, Ukraine. TSventon (talk) 16:52, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon: I'll see if I can identify any of these on a map. It could be a village or hamlet close to Kramatorsk, which is in Ukraine. scope_creep^Talk 17:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

There are likely to have been multiple name changes and alternative spellings. Scheromet also called Sherebez, Hutterite Roots 2012 via Google books, seems to be Tavriiske, Zaporizhzhia Raion, Zaporizhzhia Oblast. TSventon (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Try asking at Wikipedia:REFDESK/H. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I think that is an idea. I've not been able to find it so far. I've managed to get the Weigelt biography. Its got another location, Kramatorskaya. Its seems the most authoritive. I plan to post question to the ref desk tommorrow. scope_creep^Talk 07:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

An edit

I have a feeling that the site won't let me in--I've been having issues with logins all year. All I want is to see that your article on "Rupert Hughes" (author) is up to date. The man wrote *three* novels about "Lakerim." They are: The Lakerim Athletic Club (1898), The Dozen From Lakerim (1899), and The Lakerim Cruise (1910). You can confirm this on this page: https://www.unz.com/print/author/HughesRupert/. 8.40.81.202 (talk) 17:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you're having login problems, but logging in is actually not necessary to edit most articles. I encourage you to edit Rupert Hughes yourself. It's the fastest way to see an article fixed! The source you linked here isn't ideal according to our policies about reliable sources but the book itself is also a "source" for its existence. If you have questions about editing when you give it a try, feel free to ask. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 17:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

unz.com is more than "not ideal", it is actually deprecated, which means it must not be used as a source. See WP:UNZ. It's fine to add this information to the Rupert Hughes article, but only after you find a better source. CodeTalker (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

The books themselves are sources, so nothing new needs to be found. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Egyptian Hieroglyphs for Dummies

A scan of the original

(A specific dummy: myself.) I want to cite a paper that is headed as shown. The citation will be simple and straightforward, aside from the hieroglyphs -- for me, an unfamiliar writing system.

The paper doesn't identify the glyphs: Gardiner assumes that his readers will be familiar with the glyphs that compose the word he discusses. As I look within his own sign list, I identify/misidentify the five as:

[Why the line break after the hieroglyphs?] (E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2 -- PNG files, via the "hiero" tag)

Likewise, as I look through List of Egyptian hieroglyphs, I identify/misidentify the five as:

𓃛𓏲𓄿𓈖𓀁 (again, E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2 -- but this time Unicode characters)

Those of you who are more accustomed to hieroglyphs (or are just wider awake) than I am can perhaps point out my misidentifications.

Even if I've got the hieroglyphs right, their arrangement is wrong. A second try with Gardiner's signs:

("Z7:E9-N35:G1-A2") Not quite right (even aside from the unwanted line break, the "coil-of-rope" glyph should be top right of the sleeping beast, not top centre); but an improvement.

I'd like a second try with Unicode characters, but I'm stuck. "Egyptian Hieroglyph Format Controls" (from Unicode.org, and not as cryptic as our own "Egyptian Hieroglyph Format Controls") provides "13434 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH INSERT AT TOP END" ("top end" seemingly meaning "top right"), and "1343A EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH INSERT AT TOP". However, I don't understand how one might use these ... entities. And there may be a more fundamental problem. I fear that even if I did manage the successful use of these or similarly recherché resources of Unicode, they'd baffle later editors, who'd well-intentionedly delete them or screw them up.

Fixes, suggestions? -- Hoary (talk) 01:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary: it seems to be cited here as

GARDINER, A. H. (1904): The word iwn3. In: Zeitschrift für Ägyptische. Sprache und Altertumskunde 41: 130–135.

Hopefully an expert will turn up, otherwise there is always WP:RDL. TSventon (talk) 03:31, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah but TSventon, I've seen it cited with its title rendered complete with hieroglyphs, in both a book chapter and a journal article (neither of which was itself concerned with hieroglyphs). If the printing company for each could do it (even if only semi-legibly for one, and missing a glyph for the other), I imagined that Mediawiki could as well, and do it better. Let's try:

Gardiner, Alan H. (1904). "The word " (PDF). Zeitschrift für Ägyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde. 41: 130–135 – via Internet Archive. {{cite journal}}: hiero stripmarker in |title= at position 45 (help)

(If the NOWIKI tag weren't used above, we'd see an error message. See the end of this thread. -- Hoary (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2025 (UTC))

<nowiki>...</nowiki> tags removed. See also the end of this thread.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:25, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Well, a minor bonus: the unwanted line break is no more. "Stripmarker" is a new word for me. (BTW, I haven't mentioned the matter at WP:RDL but I have pinged Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Writing systems.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

The <hiero>...</hiero> tag causes MediaWiki to create a series of hieroglyph images in an html table. As part of that creation, MediaWiki also creates a matching stripmarker for use as a placeholder. These placeholders (stripmarkers) are replaced with the html table of hieroglyph images just before final rendering of the page (after templates and modules have been expanded). cs1|2 emits the error message because it cannot see the content of the hiero stripmarker so the metadata that cs1|2 creates for users of reference management software (Zotero and the like), will be corrupt or incomplete.

Best practice for citing works that have a title with hieroglyphs is to manually cite without using a cs1|2 template.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your learned advice, Trappist the monk. I've adjusted the reference accordingly [in the article, not above]. (I took the opportunity to link not the six-page article but instead the 150+ page volume; because even if six pages are all that are wanted, 150+ are what the inquisitive will get.) It's a lot less ugly now. Still, it has me admiring the skills of the compositors/typographers of Zeitschrift für Ägyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde -- though of course they had only a few kinds of script to accommodate, not dozens. -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC) [Added clarification Hoary (talk) 22:41, 8 July 2025 (UTC)]

My first rearrangement of the Unicode characters was not a success:

𓏲

𓃛

𓈖

𓄿

𓀁

Perhaps I could experiment with negative margins; but doing so would risk a real mess with some alternative font. -- Hoary (talk) 05:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is what you want, but I recreated the text in the provided image using CSS.

Extended content
The word E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2𓃛𓏲𓄿𓀁𓈖. And smaller: The word E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2𓃛𓏲𓄿𓀁𓈖.

The code: The word <span style="font-size: 0px;">E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2</span><span style="display: inline-block; max-width: 2.5em; user-select: none;" aria-hidden="true"><span style="position: relative; top: -0.2em;">𓃛<span style="position: relative; top: -0.2em; left: -0.1em; font-size: 0.8em;">𓏲</span></span>𓄿𓀁<span style="position: relative; top: -0.9em; left: -1.4em;">𓈖</span></span>. OutsideNormality (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, OutsideNormality (and apologies for noticing your comment so belatedly). Unfortunately this doesn't work for me -- I mean, it doesn't work as desired even as I view it here (via Firefox under a Debian derivative). This is of course disappointing but it's not surprising; I've found that the exact same chunk of Mediawiki (with the same SPAN tags and the same CSS around the same five Unicode hieroglyphs) is rendered in quite different ways depending on its position in the paragraph. I think we're stuck with the alternative approach, using the HIERO tags. Still, thank you for your code, which reminds me of some CSS attributes I'd forgotten about during five years or so of lack of practice. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hoary: I hope you don't mind, I inserted code/nowiki markup around your "stripmarker" generating solution above, so that this page or its archive won't forever be listed at Category:CS1 errors: invisible characters. This has been an interesting discussion and I've learned a lot. —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:39, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

—Anomalocaris (talk) 20:39, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Good move, Anomalocaris. (On the off-chance that anybody's interested, I ended up using HIERO, in the article Jespersen's cycle.) -- Hoary (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Not necessary so undone. cs1|2 does not categorize errors on archived subpages. The error message will remain visible but the archive page that holds this discussion will not show in Category:CS1 errors: invisible characters.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:25, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Article placement

Can I create a Wikipedia page about my company without it being considered promotional material? How can I do it, and what should or should not be included in the page? 5.166.190.99 (talk) 13:00, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. We strongly discourage conflict of interest editing. And writing a new article is one of the most difficult things a new editor can do. If you really wanted to try, please very carefully study our criteria for inclusion at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). If you are sure your company meets that criteria, then start a draft article via Wikipedia:Article wizard and submit it for review. An experienced reviewer will then review the draft.

Further tips include looking at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. qcne (talk) 13:44, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Note that if it is "your" company, you will be considered to be a WP:PAID editor and there are several things you must do, as explained at that link. These will be easier if you create an account. Once you do that, make sure you are not scammed by someone offering to draft the article for payment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. As well as the advice other editors have given you, if you decide to go ahead with creating a draft, read WP:BACKWARDS carefully first.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. And that's even without a conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 22:15, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Adding maintenance tags on drafts

Should I be adding maintenance tags to draft articles, or are there Wikipedia guidelines going against that? 45dogs (they/them) (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

If the drafts haven't been submitted, you should not. Even if they have been submitted, it's usually not a good idea. I might do it if I see a (for the most part) unusually good draft whose author seems not to have noticed an unusually serious (or hilarious, etc) flaw. -- Hoary (talk) 00:34, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Are double spaces in the markup text an issue? Doesn't WP change to single space before displaying?

I know that MOS:DOUBLESPACE says that articles should use single spacing (when displayed to users), but I thought extra spaces in the raw markup text were harmless ... because the WP software condenses those down to a single space before displaying the article in web browsers or the WP app (via HTML or whatever).

But I see editors commonly editing article markup to change double spaces to single spaces (apparently using bots sometimes). What is the purpose of that? Are there some situations where double spaces in the raw markup is displayed to users? Or are these editors just wasting their time? Noleander (talk) 17:02, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Some of us may be just a little bit OCPD (sometimes a useful trait for copyeditors and proofreaders). I must admit that while I wouldn't go looking for them, I would eliminate a double space if I happened across it while editing something else. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

We humans write in Mediawiki code, but the website converts this to HTML5 which it feeds to our browsers. Does Wikipedia preserve strings of two or more spaces? Offhand I don't know. But if it does, no matter, as every browser I know of collapses two or more consecutive [regular] spaces down to a single space. (I'm not talking here about non-breaking spaces, CJK "full-width" spaces, etc.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

The MOS:DOUBLESPACE says Some editors place two spaces after a period/full stop (see Sentence spacing); these are condensed to one space when the page is rendered, so it does not affect what readers see. Which is consistent with what I see (namely: if I put 2 or more spaces in the markup: the article (when viewed in WP app or browser) always shows one space.

By way of explanation: back in the days of (only) manual and electric typewriters that could not produce proportional spacing, people were actually taught to place a double space after full stops, because it aided legibility. Old habits die hard. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 08:44, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Maybe it is, as the IP says above, just proofreaders being super punctilious? Noleander (talk) 23:31, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

You may want to read WP:COSMETICBOT. When an edit changes double spaces to single spaces in addition to substantive changes elsewhere in an article, I've not seen anyone complain about it. An edit that makes only such cosmetic changes, however, is frowned upon by many. Deor (talk) 23:46, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Question on potentially reporting user for 'whitewashing' page

I was reading Lightspeed Venture Partners' page and noticed the firm was described as a "global" -- rather than American -- venture capital firm in it's opening sentence. This struck me as odd, so I looked at the page's edit history and noticed highly unusual activity from User:SandHillStories. This user made a serious of edits over a four-hour period back in March 2024 that significantly whitewashed the page, including numerous instances of puffery (see here), stuffing the page with résumé-type content (see here and here, where they cite LSVP's own press release), and, what I find most troubling, removing what the user presumably considered negative information about the subject (see here).

LSVP is a highly-regarded firm, and this strikes me as vandalism at best or COI editing/whitewashing at worse. What process should I follow to remedy this situation? Report the user? The user seemingly doesn't exist anymore, despite evidence of their editing history. Should I edit the page myself? (I see that User:BrigadierG alos noticed some unusual activity on this page back in Jan. 2024 before the problematic editing took place a couple of months later). Zxm92 (talk) 19:15, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Zxm92 You could follow WP:BRD. SandHillStories has done the B part; if you disagree then you can do the R part and justify that by starting a Discussion on the article's talk page. Be prepared to justify your reversion if needed. Bazza 7 (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Have you notified User:SandHillStories that their editing is being discussed here? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Problem with Infobox

There appears to be a problem with the Infobox canal on the Exeter Ship Canal article. Below the image is a large blue rectangle, which seems to be something to do with mapping, as it says Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap at the bottom. I have not seem it on any other canal Infoboxes, and there does not seem to be any fields in the infobox that set it up. I have tried commenting out all of the fields in the infobox, and then it just shows the blue rectangle. I am at a loss as to what to try next. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Bob1960evens (talk) 11:07, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bob1960evens: It tried to read the coordinates from Exeter Ship Canal (Q5420131) but something failed so it displayed Null Island in the Atlantic Ocean. There is already a route map so I have disabled the other map.[8] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks for your expertise. Bob1960evens (talk) 11:36, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Captioning issue

Users have reported an issue with the caption of a picture overlapping with the picture itself when viewing on mobile. See discussion at Talk:September_11_attacks#editsemiprotected. Anyone know how to fix? meamemg (talk) 16:19, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) is a better place to ask about technical issues. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:51, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I've asked there. meamemg (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Dennō Senshi Porygon

We are not mind readers. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
improving and expanding wikipedia article "Dennō Senshi Porygon" this article needs to be improved and expanded, because people use this article to get information about this incident, it isn't bad, but i don't know how to describe it, and i don't know what to put to improve and expand this article 109.81.22.55 (talk) 15:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC) It's difficult to respond to a general "fix this" concern, especially if you do not have a more specific proposal. However, you may use the associated article talk page to work with other editors there on possible improvements. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 25 July 2025 (UTC) but, i don't know what to write in the talk page 109.81.22.55 (talk) 17:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC) Given that we aren't mind-readers, if you wish the article to be revised, you will have to explain how. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC) but how? 109.81.22.55 (talk) 17:50, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikidata item

Hello, how do I create a new item in Wikidata? I wish there was one for this article I created. Questionadora ávida (talk) 16:16, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

See d:User talk:Questionadora ávida (your talk page on Wikidata) where I have left you some introductory links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Questionadora ávida (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

My wikipedia acccount is globally block please unblock my ip soon as possible

Hello team wikipedia my wikipedia acccount is globally block please unblock my ip soon as possible Thanks Kishor kishu salvi (talk) 20:30, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Your account is not blocked or you would not have been able to post this message. Your account has never been blocked. Perhaps you are confused about the speedy deletion of your user page under criterium WP:U5 (web hosting). Meters (talk) 20:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

OP blocked as a sock of user:Kishor salvi. Meters (talk) 06:09, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

title match

hi can anyone tell me how to match my login name with my wiki article reference name? Savremz (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@Savremz See WP:CHUS, but see also paragraph 3 and 4 at WP:REALNAME. You might want to send a mail before something annoying possibly happens. I assume you are familiar with WP:COI and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing at this point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:A picture of you might be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:37, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Cite web

For the |=date parameter within {{cite web}}, do I put the original published date of the webpage, or the if provided, the updated/edited date? The specific example that prompted me to ask this is this source Justjourney (talk | contribs) 01:31, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@Justjourney: Use the date of the version that you actually read when you cited it. That way, an interested reader can find that specific version on the wayback machine (or other archive location) if the web page gets changed. For completeness, you may choose to actually add the archive link for that specific version. -Arch dude (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@Arch dude and Justjourney: Not quite. The date parameter should be the date that the content was published or updated (whichever is more recent), and the access-date is for when you visit that URL. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 04:25, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@ClaudineChionh:We are saying almost the same thing. It needs to be the date of the version that you used to verify the assertions in the article. If it is subsequently updated but you did not re-read the modified version, then do not use the newer date. If you do re-read the new version, then you are free to update both the publication date and the access date. -Arch dude (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

References

Archive citations automatically

How do I archive citations automatically like I did here? JuniperChill (talk) 16:09, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

You can see in the tag field for the diff that this was done with "IABotManagementConsole [1.3]", aka User:InternetArchiveBot. Instructions for running the bot can be found on its userpage. ScalarFactor (talk) 21:45, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Disambiguation of a song title

I'm writing articles on Johnny Mathis songs and will be creating a page for "You Are Beautiful", which is listed on the You're Beautiful (disambiguation) page. I'm not sure of the exact phrasing I should use to disambiguate it or if I even need to. There's only one linked item with the exact same title, and it only directs to a section of an article. There's no other page with this exact title, so do I even need to disambiguate it? Danaphile (talk) 14:26, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@Danaphile You Are Beautiful is taken, so you need a disambiguator. (Johnny Mathis song) seems a reasonable choice. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:34, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Since the other songs on the disambiguation page are titled "You're Beautiful", would "You Are Beautiful (song)" be acceptable? Danaphile (talk) 02:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Afaik yes, since that would be the currently only WP-article about a song with that title. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Responce in my edits is not clear and need justification

i made edits on "بنك الطعام المصري" page.. and response is not clear and clould not find any feedback and need urgent help ?? please reply with someone could help Asmaa Haroun (talk) 10:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

This may refer to edits made on the Arabic language Wikipedia.[9] Unfortunately we can't help with this, and you would have to take up the matter there.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

The equivalent page to this one, on the Arabic-language Wikipedia, is ويكيبيديا:فريق المساعدة/طلبات. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Original source material not online

I wish I knew someone I could hire to help me with a page. I used to have one on Wikipedia that someone did, Idon't know who, but it was inaccurate and incomplete and then it disappeared and was replaced by someone else with the same name, but spelled differently. I reached out to a human somewhere on Wikipedia several years ago but they couldn't find a deleted page. It's so bizarre because it was there for years when I had my first website back in 1998. Anyhoo, I would love to create a new page but my URL was stolen for my website and whomever purchased it is hiding behind a proxy and they want 15k for my stage name. It's my name, I own the Trademark and have used it since 1979. My problem is my career was mostly pre internet 80's and 90's. retired in 2001. How would I create links to material that isn't on the internet anymore, other than my brand FB page, and I don't want to pay 15k for my real name URL? If one is posting original irl materials, why does it matter where they are posted? If you can help support me in creating acessible content I would greatly appreciate it. I am happy to compensate anyone that can help me with this.

Mucho mucho gracias! 💐💐💐💐💐

Venus De Light 71.38.105.140 (talk) 19:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

A couple of points. Firstly, Wikipedia was founded in 2001, so there can't have been an article about you in 1998. As for your issue with URLs, they are of no relevance whatsoever to Wikipedia, since whether we have an article on a subject or not is determined solely by whether it meets relevant Wikipedia notability criteria, as demonstrated through significant coverage in published sources independent of the subject. And there is no absolute requirement that any such sources be online at all, though clearly this makes things easier. They do however have to have been published, and accessible somewhere: e.g. in a library.

Beyond that, please note that we discourage, though don't absolutely prohibit, creating articles about oneself. If doing so, one is required to make a conflict of interest declaration, and expected to submit the article for prior scrutiny through the WP:AFCREVIEW process. And note that Wikipedia has tightened up its criteria regarding subject matter since it was founded: content that was acceptable in the early days may not be now.

As for compensation, we are all volunteers here, and do not accept compensation: if anyone offers to create an article for you in return for payment, it is very likely a scam. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

OP said "I had my first website back in 1998.", not a Wikipedia article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:58, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

First draft

Hi, I mistakenly did not make my first draft in my sandbox and now (next day) I cannot find the draft. Is it lost? Can anyone help? Thank you! Littlesinner2 (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

In checking your contribution history, you only have two edits, this one, and one at the Teahouse. Unfortunately if you thought you published your draft, you didn't.

You may want to try using the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment publier une image ou une illustration sur une page qui nous appartient

Comment publier une image ou une illustration sur une page qui nous appartient. Mamipé (talk) 22:53, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

@Mamipé:, this is the help desk for English Wikipedia. This looks like a question about French Wikipedia, so you could ask at fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux. TSventon (talk) 23:14, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Problem accessing first revision of "Rechov Sumsum" history

I need the text of the first revision of the Wikipedia page "Rechov Sumsum" (Rechov Sumsum). I tried to access the page history ([10]). However, the navigation links on the history page ("older 50", "newer", "oldest", "50", "100", etc.) are not working. Clicking them does not load different sets of revisions, and scrolling doesn't reveal the full history. The page seems stuck showing only the most recent revisions. This prevents me from accessing the earliest revisions, including the very first one. Please help me access the text of the first revision of the "Rechov Sumsum" page. Could someone potentially fix the history page navigation, or provide the text of the first revision directly? Thank you for your help. 108.177.71.232 (talk) 05:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Works for me. Anyway, the first revision is here, and its text is "Rechov Suumsum Shara'a Simsim is the regional version of {Sesame Street} for the {Israel} and {Palestine|Palestinian Territories}, launched in 1998 ". * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:55, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

How to differentiate so as to create a redlink and avoid an erroneous link?

Re: Wiki article List of eponymous diseases. Entry for Bloom disease contains name David Bloom, the eponymous physician for whom disease is named, but for whom no wiki entry exists. Bracketing his name links to wiki article on a same-named but different individual, rather than redlinking. Is the solution to bracket his name with a qualifier such as “David Bloom (physician)|David Bloom”, an entry for which does not exist? Thanks Irish Melkite (talk) 09:55, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

In framing my query, I think I answered my own question. Problem resolved. Irish Melkite (talk) 10:10, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Irish Melkite: Not everybody has to be linked but if there is a reasonable expectation that he will eventually get an article or redirect then yes, use a target title which doesn't exist now. David Bloom (physician) piped as David Bloom sounds suitable. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:26, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

For background to PrimeHunter's correct suggestion, see WP:REDLINK. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:44, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

points and appearance update for Martyn Ridyard

 Courtesy link: Martyn Ridyard

I have tried to update Martyn Ridyards appearances and points record as I have always done in the past a 12 month gap is due to a serious injury and he 2.98.47.62 (talk) 17:48, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

What specific issue do you need help with? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:49, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Susan Look Avery

• Link: Susan Look Avery

Why does her bio say she died in Wyoming New York? When her bio at Cave Hill Cemetery in Louisville Ky where she is buried states she died in Louisville Ky. 2606:6DC0:2300:FED0:1557:C29D:2162:EF27 (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Because when @Randolph.hollingsworth created the article in 2018, that's what he put in the infobox, without citing a source.

If you think it is wrong, by all means edit it - but be sure to cite a reliable published source. Or you could post your concern on the talk page Talk:Susan Look Avery. ColinFine (talk) 22:04, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Wyoming is correct. I can see enough of the paywalled New York Times obituary which says Wyoming. I'll add the reference. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the reference. Randolph.hollingsworth (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, this is the desk for how to edit Wikipedia. Questions like yours should be asked at the WP:reference desk. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:25, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Well, it was sort of about how to correct/edit WP. Not very misplaced IMO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:45, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Not misplaced at all. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:07, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Where above does it say "correct"? Clarityfiend (talk) 08:22, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm assuming the OP saw something on-WP they think might be incorrect, and if so, wants it to be corrected. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:27, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Daniel Martindale

Daniel Martindale

Help me add infomation, please in this an article. СтасС (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

What would you like to add? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:16, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

a text--СтасС (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

What text? Also, are you saying that you want to add info or that you want others to help add info? GoldRomean (talk) 16:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you!--СтасС (talk) 16:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

You have been adding information to Daniel Martindale, and it has not been reverted. What kind of help are you asking for? ColinFine (talk) 11:30, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Could you add information and fix style in my article?--СтасС (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Help me, please.--СтасС (talk) 12:58, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

We aren't mind readers. If there is something specific you think needs adding, and you can't add it yourself for some reason, tell us what it is, and tell us what the source is. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:09, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

OK.--СтасС (talk) 15:39, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

About converting a ".pptx" file to ".png"

Can I convert a ".pptx" file from a a scientific article to a ".png" file, upload it and cite that article as the source? Would that be WP:OR? Jako96 (talk) 21:11, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't think it would WP:OR, you'd just be mechanically converting one format to another. But it would be WP:COPYVIO, unless the creator of the .pptx has somehow released their copyright in it. Maproom (talk) 21:21, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I mean the article is free to access so there would be no problems as far as I know. Jako96 (talk) 06:53, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

An image being free to access does not imply that it is free from copyright restrictions. Indeed, most of the content of the internet is free to access but restricted by copyright. Maproom (talk) 09:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

You're right. Jako96 (talk) 14:58, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

You are allowed to cite the article directly, provided it is published in a reputable journal. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 21:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

@Jako96 Many modern articles are licensed with a creative commons license, such as CC BY-SA 4.0 as used by Wikipedia. If so, you are allowed to make derivatives provided you acknowledge the source. If you give the digital object identifier of the original article here, we can advise further. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:25, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Here you go: https://doi.org/10.1099/ijsem.0.006558 Jako96 (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

You're in luck; this is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 15:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Nice, thanks for help. Jako96 (talk) 14:58, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

What do I do if I'm really certain that an editor is using multiple accounts to make some Wikipedia articles. They're using brand new accounts and making the drafts and moving them onto main space using their main account. I'm not really sure if this is against any rules but at the same time I think the behaviour is very weird. Also hiding my actual account for anonymity. 69.94.41.145 (talk) 19:56, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

If the user controlling the main account has a long tenure here or is an admin, I would send the evidence to the COI mailing list. If all of them are throwaways, WP:SPI is the place to go. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 19:59, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I had thought about submitting it to WP:SPI but I felt like I didn't have enough evidence. 69.94.41.145 (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

If the user isn't an AfC reviewer and has repeatedly been moving new users' drafts into mainspace, that is enough evidence to warrant an investigation. Even if this main account is somehow not a sockpuppet, they should be asked not to do that. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:05, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh that's an error on my end I apologize, so far they've done it once. However, they created a new user page using the main account for a new user and gave this new user three barnstars and made a new Wikipedia article that's currently in the process in the AfD. Would that also be evidence? 69.94.41.145 (talk) 20:10, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Maybe. If you want you can email me and I'll take a look. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:11, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Should I email you the full story and then maybe you can take a look? 69.94.41.145 (talk) 20:13, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Sure. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:14, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

i sent the email. 69.94.41.145 (talk) 20:41, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Received it. These users are blatant sockpuppets. I'm opening an SPI soon. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:44, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Glad to hear! 69.94.41.145 (talk) 20:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I looked at that once more and there appears to be one very likely sockpuppet and a meatpuppet. The sock has done nothing... block worthy so far but I'm going to take a closer look at this situation. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay. 69.94.41.145 (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I have opened an SPI for one of the accounts. The other one is also likely a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet, but CU data is likely stale at this point since they haven't edited in months. I'm continuing to review the situation. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 21:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

The result was inconclusive due to likely proxy use. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 23:08, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Well that's unfortunate and thanks for your help! 69.94.41.145 (talk) 04:45, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

If the other account starts vote-stacking that AfD, I'll let the CUs know about it to block by behavioral evidence. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 04:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@69.94.41.145: Socks blocked. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 00:34, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Gateway Pundit

Wikipedia view on the Gateway Pundit and other conservative sites is why I will never give money to you. You are quite biased 210.56.237.228 (talk) 10:37, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the feedback. qcne (talk) 10:39, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Template Broken?

When I was replacing the year parameter in {{Cite book}} with a date, I put in a MDY date yet It displays as a DMY date. Yet the Original Date parameter displays MDY. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 16:33, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Not broken. The article has a {{Use dmy dates}} template (supposed to be near the top with other {{use ...}} templates) so full dates in {{cite book}} follow that instruction. But, the citation date was correct before your edits. Book publication dates are almost always year-only unless the book itself specifies a more specific date.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:45, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Made by Large-Language Model

I was just creating a draft since the morning (it's 1:30PM now) and decided to publish it. I got rejected twice because I "used a Large-Language model". Seriously? I ran my page through an AI detector and it only flagged the references (said it was 40% AI). Like how am I suppose to make a URL not "AI". Also, it says says that AI can hallucinate, be bias, etc. and that it's better to write by yourself. I went through each and every thing that it said an AI could do and my page didn't match a single one.Minikazok (talk) 17:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Minikazok I declined your article. What made me think this was generated with an LLM is that most sections are left unreferenced, some parts are randomly bolded, and there are a lot of en dashes scattered about. Discounting LLM usage, most of the article is unreferenced, and most importantly, the notability of the school hasn't been established, so I decided to decline the article. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:42, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Minikazok, an elementary school is notable and eligible for a Wikipedia article only if reliable sources entirely unconnected with the school devote significant coverage to its unique historical or architectural significance. And those sources are properly cited as references in the draft or article. As for using LLMs to help write Wikipedia articles, if the content was outstanding and fully complied with all policies and guidelines, then no one would know or suspect. But the fact is that the content that you and your robot friend produced was of very poor quality, which is just additional evidence of the general unsuitability of LLMs for writing Wikipedia content in 2025. Cullen328 (talk) 17:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Minikazok, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 19:43, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Page created

I created a personal page after copying from the sandbox, but is not showing up. Subhash.kochar (talk) 20:24, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

As told to you on IRC, userspace is NOINDEXed, meaning that your user page or sandbox cannot show up in search engine results. — Tenshi! (Talk page) 20:26, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Subhash.kochar: As I said at #wikipedia-en-help, userpages are NOINDEXed, and we don't accept curricula vitae. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:26, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Please also read WP:FAKEARTICLE - your user page is likely to be deleted - Arjayay (talk) 20:29, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

True. But instead I moved it to User:Subhash.kochar/sandbox2. -- Hoary (talk) 23:22, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

As the others have said, you should keep working on it in the sandbox and then submit it for review to be published into mainspace. Note that Wikipedia articles have to be supported by reliable sources independent of the subject. Your draft doesn't have any sources right now. I recommend you find some before submitting it for review. You may also want to read WP:AUTOBIO. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

site set up for Nancy Kleckner

Hello,

I am the admin for Prof. Nancy Kleckner. She was not aware that she had a wikipedia site set up. She would like to know if she would be able to alter/edit/modify the site that is about her but was not set up by her? Here is the link Nancy Kleckner

Thank you 2607:FB60:1F01:12:0:0:0:1135 (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

By design (and ideal), a subject should not have had any direct influence on their article. That said, she can suggest edits on the talk page of the article on her, with sources to back up her requests. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:03, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

She is welcome to propose edits in the form of an edit request on the talk page Talk:Nancy Kleckner. Articles here are typically not written by their subjects. 331dot (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

In addition to what others have said, please see WP:AUTOPROB. Please note that she does not "have a Wikipedia site set up" (though people do talk loosely about "her article"). It is Wikipedia's article about her, which is a very different thing: it is not owned by her. controlled by her, and in particular it is not a place for her to tell the world what she wants them to know. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

You and she may find WP:About you useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:51, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Aerofilms

Aerofilms

Please repair reference number 5 - Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Fixed.[11] PrimeHunter (talk) 02:25, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Trauma Recovery Anonymous

There is a new 12 step program for the treatment of past trauma memories 1.47.9.135 (talk) 12:45, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources conforming to our stringent requirements for medical articles, you may add a summary of them to Post-traumatic stress disorder. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Request for guidance on Draft:Satish Nambardar

Hello respected editors,

I have created a draft article: Draft:Satish Nambardar. I understand that writing about oneself is discouraged, and I have now declared a conflict of interest.

I have tried to follow all Wikipedia guidelines, added multiple independent and reliable sources (regional newspapers like Dainik Tribune, Amar Ujala, etc.), and maintained a neutral point of view.

I kindly request your help or guidance on how I can improve the draft so it can be reviewed again and eventually accepted.

Thank you for your time and support.

—~~~~ Satish nambardar (talk) 15:42, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

@Satish nambardar Please see your talk page. The draft was speedily deleted as obvious promotion, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Autobiography here almost always fails, especially if that's the main reason you opened an account and are unaware of the policies and guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Satish nambardar, your draft made no plausible claim of notability. Wikipedia is not a directory of every political activist on Planet Earth who has been mentioned in a few news reports. If it was, I would have been the subject of a Wikipedia biography long ago. Please read WP:NPOLITICIAN. Cullen328 (talk) 20:11, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:BREAK

WP:BREAK

What are effects when taking a break from editing? I feel tired after doing too much on translation. Ahri Boy (talk) 07:43, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Ahri Boy. The effects will certainly vary from person to person based on their individual personality and their reasons for taking a wikibreak. It could range from missing editing Wikipedia and promptly returning, to concluding that Wikipedia editing is too stressful or unfulfilling, and never editing again. Or something in between. Cullen328 (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I was resocializing with different communities. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

ill template in cite template

Hi, I want to insert {{ill|Carola Zwick|de}} in the author1-link field in {{cite book|last1=Zwick|first1=Carola|author1-link=Carola Zwick|...}} in the Scroll wheel article. How can this be done ? Thank you Jona (talk) 21:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

You can't because {{ill|Carola Zwick|de}} translates to this mess:

[[Carola Zwick]]<span class="noprint" style="font-size:85%; font-style: normal; ">&nbsp;&#91;[[:de:Carola Zwick|de]]&#93;</span>

You can write this:

{{cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=ODkmn4EYPxgC&pg=PT45 |title=Designing for Small Screens |last1=Zwick |first1=Carola |author1-link=:de:Carola Zwick |author2=((Studio 7.5)) |last3=Schmitz |first3=Burkhard |last4=Kühl |first4=Kerstin |publisher=[[AVA Publishing]] |date=2005 |access-date=2022-03-02 |pages=51–52 |isbn=2-940373-07-8}}

Zwick, Carola [in German]; Studio 7.5; Schmitz, Burkhard; Kühl, Kerstin (2005). Designing for Small Screens. AVA Publishing. pp. 51–52. ISBN 2-940373-07-8. Retrieved 2 March 2022.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:11, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thank you Jona (talk) 05:36, 25 July 2025 (UTC)