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The result was speedy keep‎. I withdraw my nomination in favor of a bold merge instead. (non-admin closure) it's lio! | talk | work 14:22, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asian Library

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No significant coverage in any sources I can find - not helped by the fact that "Asian Library" is a thoroughly generic name with many sources unrelated to the University of British Columbia one. I recommend redirecting to University of British Columbia Library. it's lio! | talk | work 14:16, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Katherine Mathewson

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Politician whose claim to notability is not verifiable. Evidently leader of the Green Party of Ontario in 1990, though our article on the party indicates that it elected its first leader in 1993, and her own bio notes that the party was a highly decentralized organization at the time. The claim that she was the party's leader is cited to her appearance representing the party in a community television event, and a second source is given as evidence that she is not mentioned on the party's website.

There is a Katherine Mathewson contesting the riding of Oshawa in the 2025 federal election, but I can't determine if this is the same person, there is a 35-year time gap, and just running in an election does not confer notability anyway. Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 12:43, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as not verifiable Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:02, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Darnelda Siegers

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Subject fails WP:NPOL and there are not sources to establish WP:GNG/WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Chris Neiszner

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Article about a hockey player, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for hockey players. The leagues he played in, the American Hockey League and the ECHL, are specifically listed in WP:NHOCKEY as conferring notability only if the player "Achieved preeminent honors (all-time top-10 career scorer, first-team all-star)" -- but there's no claim being made here that he ever achieved any such thing in either league, and he hasn't been shown to pass WP:GNG either as the article is referenced entirely to content self-published by the teams he has played or worked for rather than any evidence of independent coverage in third-party media sources.
The article has, additionally, spent 18 full months with WP:BLP-violating nonsense like "He is currently an ambulance driver in Alberta. He once smiled, but really didn't like it. Chris also had the pleasure of providing the Rebels staff with water in their mouths." in it until I found and poleaxed it just now, which isn't a deletion rationale in and of itself but does speak to how many responsible editors have actually seen the article.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable without much more and better sourcing for it than this. Bearcat (talk) 06:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Whenever I see an AfD on a article on an obscure hockey player such as this, I tend to flicker my gaze to the top of the screen to see if Dolovis -- an editor eventually community-banned from new article creation, and responsible for creating thousands of articles on NN subjects, often in direct defiance of notability guidelines -- was the perp. Bingo! In any event, there's never been any iteration of NHOCKEY under which this player, whose career was multiple rungs below top flight, has been considered presumptively notable. Ravenswing 12:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Red Deer Advocate gave extensive SIGCOV of him, e.g. 1 2 3 4 5 6. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:03, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Barbeau

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Article subject requests deletion per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE and as a relatively unknown person per WP:BIODEL. See VRT Ticket 2025041610019291. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete: The variety article mentioned on the page has a great significant coverage, but otherwise not much. Archive.org shows a couple of press release pdfs for his work. LastJabberwocky (talk) 05:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is imcomplete, his career continues until 2025 but this is cut short at 2011. This seems innacurate and probably better to be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.140.33 (talk) 08:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Beyond the cited references, I've found some additional coverage:
1. A 2012 article from Le Journal de Montréal, "À la bonne place au bon moment," discusses Barbeau's transition from music videos to cinema, his produced films, and his views on public funding for films. This provides significant coverage, reinforcing notability.
2. Another La Presse article from 2012, "Paul Barbeau: laisser une trace", is an interview focusing on his motivations for directing "Après la neige," his career risks, and personal reflections. This adds to the significant coverage.
  --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Article is innacurate and deals with sources that date to 2012 when in fact producer has been recently active as a director and producer in past 5 years. Page badly constructed 70.81.140.33 (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - as a producer, he's not automatically notable, and the reliability of some of the sources online are questionable; only the Variety is certainly reliable and maybe the La Presse articles. Bearian (talk)

Dylan Cramer

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Article was created by the subject's son in 2006 (edit: looks like Cramer edited his article a few times under Dylanrcramer12 (talk · contribs) and Dylanrcramer (talk · contribs)) and has survived for nineteen years with a single source – the subject's own website. I found two news articles on Dylan Cramer (one, two), but they do not mention any major works or accomplishments. The book Journeys to the Bandstand has a chapter on him and his father, but is unlikely to mention anything that would make him notable (or there would be other news sources reporting on it). Cramer appears to be a local Vancouver musician who does not satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. Iiii I I I (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as subject does not appear to meet any of the 12 criteria for WP:MUSICBIO. I searched newspapers.com as well and found many notices about upcoming performances and the like (mainly in Vancouver area) but I don't see any sigcov to support WP:BASIC either. Zzz plant (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is a close call because the musician has gained respect from other musicians, and that generated some basic coverage among afficionados, but unfortunately I must agree with the in-depth conclusions by the nominator and previous voter. There simply isn't enough with which to build an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:47, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as well as the book chapter and news pieces highlighted by the nominator I found two staff-written album reviews at AllMusic here and here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Orr

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Disputed PROD, and that’s totally fine. But the de-PROD-der did so with summary that prompted me to do another cursory search, but still didn’t come up with anything tangible. My PROD statement Subject fails WP:NPOL and current sources do not help to qualify for WP:GNG still stands. I particularly went through the cited sources to find GNG-passable sources but yielded nothing. There are no sufficient independent sources that provide substantial coverage of the subject to establish the minimum GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Seems to be plenty of secondary source and independent media coverage to me. Article could use some work, but that is not grounds for deletion. RedBlueGreen93 23:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trish Doan

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I am the creator of this page. I have felt kinda guilty about this for a while because I think I did a terrible job at it. My reasons for deletion are as follows:

1. Most of the article is based on an web source from the Headbanging Moose, which I realise now is unverifiable/not an interview. In one recent search I found it was citing text from a Tumblr interview (alas that too was inaccessible). Either way; bad source, which makes up most of the article. Also, Hergirlrock and trishdoan.com are primary sources

2. Most of the reliable source coverage about Trish concerns her departure from the band in 2008, or her death in 2017. I feel both of these can be explained just as well in the Kittie band article or in other related articles (i.e. the documentary stuff)

3. When I made this page, I thought I was doing so primarily because I though Trish was an underrated bassist on Funeral for Yesterday and I wanted them to be known for other stuff outside of their struggles. In hindsight and in other words, I was trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. I am kinda more accepting of the fact that shit things do happen to people. I recognise the feelings I had at the time (aka when this was made; 2023) reflected my life situation which I didn't think I had a way out of at the time, and as such my edits were kinda projections of that mentality. I'm in a better place now (in part thanks to Funeral for Yesterday, actually) but I still feel as though I failed. If I made things worse, I am sorry.

// Chchcheckit (talk) 13:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Kittie. Thanks to the nominator for being honest. Per Wikipedia's rules for the notability of band members, evidence is needed that Trish Doan accomplished additional notable things outside of Kittie, but that just didn't happen. Info on her early bands and day jobs are fan trivia but don't pass the notability test. On the other hand, her achievements within Kittie, and sadly her death and how it affected the band, are Kittie-specific and can be adequately described at their article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Keep well sourced article. If the page cannot be kept, it should be redirected to Kittie. --Jax 0677 (talk) 09:49, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adil Mukhi

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Page created immediately following my draftification, no indication of notability for this BLP, page creator has declared a CoI with the subject of the article on his user page.

I'd like to imagine there's a better venue for this than AfD, but PROD won't work because the draftification was already objected to and it's not eligible for speedy deletion, at least as far as I know. Gracen (they/them) 22:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this page should be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by RULERRAD (talk • contribs)
- Please note you've declared a conflict of interest with the subject of this article on your user page. Why do you think this article should be kept? Gracen (they/them) 22:41, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry that has been removed. I think it deserves to be kept as it shows what the person has done and it is backed up by sources.— Preceding unsigned comment added by RULERRAD (talk • contribs)

For what it's worth, RULERRAD has stated on their talk page that they are the subject of the article. Jay8g [V•T•E] 00:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes> I have now read the guidelines and have no problem if you delete it. Sorry for the trouble. RULERRAD (talk) 00:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for dealing with this, Jay. Do you think it would be appropriate to request WP:A7? I'm not too familiar with these processes. Gracen (they/them) 01:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete: Does not meet WP:BIO - sources either do not mention the subject or are WP:SPS. Page is quite promotional, and I'd suggest that it meets criteria WP:G11 or WP:A7 for speedy deletion. SunloungerFrog (talk) 04:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Close as delete. Bearian (talk) 01:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hard (gamer)

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Fails WP:BIO. No in-depth coverage in reliable sources; given sources are routine coverage. This player did not achieve any significant results during his career; when he was in a tier-one league with Echo Fox, his team never made playoffs. Yue🌙 01:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the person not meet general GNG--Hka-34 Jyli (talk) 08:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG. MimirIsSmart (talk) 12:49, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Natasha Doyle-Merrick

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WP:BLP of an artist and unelected political candidate, not properly sourced as passing either WP:NARTIST or WP:NPOL.
Artists are not automatically notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because their work exists, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage and analysis about their work -- but the art stuff here is referenced to sources that are not support for notability, such as calendar listings on the self-published primary source websites of galleries where her work has been shown and/or blogs, rather than detailed or substantive coverage about her art.
And unelected candidates do not get articles just for being candidates -- the notability test for politicians is holding a notable political office, not just running for one, while unelected candidates normally get articles only if they already had preexisting notability for other reasons that would already have gotten them an article anyway (which, again, has not been established here). The existence of a small amount of campaign coverage, further, does not give an unelected candidate a GNG pass that would exempt them from NPOL in and of itself -- every candidate in every election everywhere can always show some evidence of campaign coverage, so if campaign coverage were enough to sideline NPOL all by itself then NPOL would be rendered meaningless and unenforceable, since no candidate in any election would ever fail to get exempted from it. And even some of the sourcing for the political stuff is still primary sourcing (e.g. press releases from organizations, raw vote results tables) that wouldn't be support for notability regardless.
So having the merely expected level of coverage in the context of an election campaign that she withdrew from and thus didn't win does not translate into permanent notability in and of itself, if she has no GNG-worthy coverage in any other context besides that. Bearcat (talk) 16:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Yue🌙 02:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with the nomination (and appreciate the detail). I am going to also note Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED as there is a citation that mentions her father is Jacky Jasper. I also did a Google News search and only found two non-election articles. The first is a Toronto Star article recounting a microaggression. The second is an Elle Canada piece that mentions her by name in a passing reference to that incident. I do not believe the Toronto Star article allows Natasha Doyl Merrick to meet GNG. Via the Wikipedia Library, I found nothing in the Newspapers Archive or EBSCO Host. A Google search of "Natasha Doyle" site:www.theglobeandmail.com only reveals an article abou the 2025 withdraw.--Mpen320 (talk) 14:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fact: Subject is a public figure. Fact: Subject represents what a Black-Canadian Woman in Ontario (and Canadian) politics looks like. Fact: Subject is a living person who has clearly contributed a consistency of works deemed relevant by credible media outlets.

Note: We, as Wikipedia contributors, are not here to judge, we are here to document fact. these are the facts. We are here to ensure that all fact -- whether or not we may or may not individually "like" a thing and/or be in support of a thing --- the fact remains that a thing is a thing and that thing happened. We are not here to Censor information. We are not here to DELETE fact. In fact, censorship and the deletion of fact goes against everything that the Democracy of the Wikipedia Movement stands for.

I call for those three of you commenters who are here -- not to add to this Wikipedia Movement , but rather you are proving to takeaway from this non-governmental encyclopedic movement By We The People, For We The People -- for you @Bearcat and Co. are proven to clearly be invested in the censorship of relevant, valuable information from this Wikipedia Mission, by your unjust nomination to clear the record of a Black Canadian woman political figure and a public inspiration of promise for a young black girls across Canada *** Please see TVO report, Black women in Ontario politics — past, present, and future , a 2022 article addressing the role that Black woman candidates serves to inspire Black female youth to consider entering politics after seeing Black woman as politcal candidates that look like them. "According to Velma Morgan, chair of Operation Black Vote Canada —an organization that supports the election of Black people to public office — while Black women run at rates roughly equal to those of Black men, they still run in lower numbers compared to other demographics. ... "politics was often portrayed as a corrupt old-boys’ club, and as a Black woman, the idea of running seemed almost unimaginable to her ... "Supporting Black candidates doesn’t simply affect government — a range of diverse candidates will likely increase the participation of diverse voters, says Tolley: “There is a definitive link between the presence of a more diverse range of people in public life and the desire and willingness of a broader range of voters to get involved and participate.” Tolley says there is evidence that, when members of historically underrepresented groups begin to run for office and get elected in larger numbers, that encourages voter participation. And there’s also a spin-off role-model effect, she adds, pointing to the fact that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama increased the desire of young women and Black people to participate in politics."... "The impact extends to those who aren’t even old enough to vote. Kitchener Centre NDP MPP Laura Mae Lindo says, “I've had Black young women that have run up to me when they've seen me in the hallways and say that they couldn’t even believe their eyes when they saw somebody with [dreadlocks] standing in the chamber.”...
This debate was prompted after User @Bearcat nominated the page Natasha Doyle-Merrick for deletion, stating that the Subject should not "have a page" ((?????). The user @Bearcat then made another notion that "anyone can run as a candidate in a political election" and noted that just because a person is a candidate does not secure them "a page" ... Not only is this nomination for deletion unjust and clearly based on subjective opinion, "Erin Tolley, an associate professor of political science at Carleton University, notes that "politics can be a hostile environment, particularly for racialized women. “Historically, there haven't been a lot of highly visible role models,” she says. “And when those role models come forward, in some cases, rather than being role models of what one is able to accomplish in politics, they instead become role models for how hostile the space is.” .https://www.tvo.org/article/thats-how-you-do-it-black-women-in-ontario-politics-past-present-and-future
- - Consider the recent deletion of Jackie Robinson record of military service: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/44316899/defense-department-removes-story-robinson-military-service HumanWritesBook (talk) 21:36, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fact: Subject is a public figure. Fact: Subject represents what a Black-Canadian Woman in Ontario (and Canadian) politics looks like. Fact: Subject is a living person who has clearly contributed a consistency of works deemed relevant by credible media outlets. HumanWritesBook (talk) 21:36, 16 April 2025 (UTC), entered for We the People, by We the People, in support of a Racially Diverse face of Politics in Canada, inclusive of Black Women on the Political campaign trail and in political office ... @Bearcat "Just because you didn't vote for a candidate, that doest mean that they didn't run. (I smell censorship )...in play ... Fact is Fact. Truth is Truth.Let the record of fact reflected in the page Natasha Doyle-Merrick , remain, for it is just and good. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/books/2018/10/08/four-women-share-their-stories-new-book-colored-girls-who-have-considered-politics/1521940002/ HumanWritesBook (talk) 21:36, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fact: every single candidate in every single election everywhere can always claim to be a "public figure" by virtue of having run as a candidate in an election — so just asserting that the subject is a "public figure" does not automatically get them into Wikipedia in and of itself. People get into Wikipedia by passing WP:GNG on third-party coverage about them, in reliable sources independent of themselves, which establishes the long term significance of their public activity: a politician gets an article by holding an WP:NPOL-passing office, not by running for one and then withdrawing mid-campaign, and an artist gets an article by having professional art critics externally analyze the significance of her work, not just by using the self-published websites of art galleries to prove that her work exists. Our inclusion standards do not work differently based on race or gender — she hasn't been "targeted" because she's a black woman, the article has been listed for discussion because it isn't saying anything about her would pass our notability criteria. (Note as well that I've personally been the creator of numerous articles about both men and women of colour within the past couple of weeks alone, so I can hardly be accused of any sort of racism here.) Bearcat (talk) 21:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Peace and Good will to all Wikipedians... in the matter of the unjust and clearly evident politically-motivated bias move to nominated the page Natasha Doyle-Merrick for deletion ... a page of the Fact: Subject is a public figure. a page of the Fact: Subject represents what a Black-Canadian Woman in Ontario (and Canadian) politics as a two-time candidate and a public politcal artist recogninzed in mainstream media reports. .. a page of the Fact: Subject is a living person who has clearly contributed a consistency of works deemed relevant by credible media outlets.

In the journalistic cause of the true democracy of this Wikipedia movement i call to respectfully request for neutral users -- including, but not limited it, @Richard75, @Maxim, , @Sunshineisles2, @Johnsoniensis, @Werkwer@Tuckerresearch, @Senomo Drines @BaduFerreira, @Sosorrysalty! -- to kindly join this discussion -- one which I clearly suspect to be rooted in political-biased , censorship, and possible notes of apparent sockpuppetry . Sockpuppetry is not tolerated. All page information is fact, beyond the shadow of any doubt whatsoever. HumanWritesBook (talk) 01:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fact: the subject Natasha Doyle-Merrick is a subject noted on at least eight (8) other Wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eglinton%E2%80%94Lawrence_(provincial_electoral_district)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidates_of_the_2025_Ontario_general_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_politicians_who_have_switched_parties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidates_of_the_2022_Ontario_general_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_New_Democratic_Party_candidates_in_the_2025_Ontario_general_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_New_Democratic_Party_candidates_in_the_2022_Ontario_provincial_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eglinton%E2%80%94Lawrence_(provincial_electoral_district)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Martin

... with supporting evidence of media coverage from CBC News

For the record HumanWritesBook (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

****

In the journalistic cause of the true democracy of this Wikipedia movement i call to respectfully request for neutral users -- including, but not limited it, @Richard75, @Maxim, , @Sunshineisles2, @Johnsoniensis, @Werkwer@Tuckerresearch, @Senomo Drines @BaduFerreira, @Sosorrysalty! -- to kindly join this discussion -- one which I clearly suspect to be rooted in political-biased , censorship, and possible notes of apparent sockpuppetry . Sockpuppetry is not tolerated. All page information is fact, beyond the shadow of any doubt whatsoever. HumanWritesBook (talk) 01:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply][reply]

Note: We, as Wikipedia contributors, are not here to judge, we are here to document fact. these are the facts. We are here to ensure that all fact -- whether or not we may or may not individually "like" a thing and/or be in support of a thing --- the fact remains that a thing is a thing and that thing happened. We are not here to Censor information. We are not here to DELETE fact. In fact, censorship and the deletion of fact goes against everything that the Democracy of the Wikipedia Movement stands for.

I call for those three of you commenters who are here -- not to add to this Wikipedia Movement , but rather you are proving to takeaway from this non-governmental encyclopedic movement By We The People, For We The People -- for you @Bearcat and Co. are proven to clearly be invested in the censorship of relevant, valuable information from this Wikipedia Mission, by your unjust nomination to clear the record of a Black Canadian woman political figure and a public inspiration of promise for a young black girls across Canada *** Please see TVO report, Black women in Ontario politics — past, present, and future , a 2022 article addressing the role that Black woman candidates serves to inspire Black female youth to consider entering politics after seeing Black woman as politcal candidates that look like them. "According to Velma Morgan, chair of Operation Black Vote Canada —an organization that supports the election of Black people to public office — while Black women run at rates roughly equal to those of Black men, they still run in lower numbers compared to other demographics. ... "politics was often portrayed as a corrupt old-boys’ club, and as a Black woman, the idea of running seemed almost unimaginable to her ... "Supporting Black candidates doesn’t simply affect government — a range of diverse candidates will likely increase the participation of diverse voters, says Tolley: “There is a definitive link between the presence of a more diverse range of people in public life and the desire and willingness of a broader range of voters to get involved and participate.” Tolley says there is evidence that, when members of historically underrepresented groups begin to run for office and get elected in larger numbers, that encourages voter participation. And there’s also a spin-off role-model effect, she adds, pointing to the fact that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama increased the desire of young women and Black people to participate in politics."...

HumanWritesBook (talk) 01:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, "subject is a public figure" is not a notability claim in and of itself. People become notable by having WP:GNG-worthy reliable sourcing about their passage of specific defined inclusion criteria, like WP:NPOL for politicians or WP:NARTIST for artists, and just throwing the words "public figure" around like a weapon doesn't demonstrate that at all. The number of Wikipedia articles that happen to have a name in them is also not, in and of itself, a notability claim that entitles the person to an article either. The notability test hinges on certain specific markers of achievement and sourcing, not on the number of times their name can be found in other articles.

This article, as written, has not demonstrated her notability as an artist at all, as you have not shown any evidence of GNG-worthy media coverage about her art. You are trying to stake her notability entirely on a non-winning candidacy for political office — but, again, having been a non-winning candidate is not grounds for a Wikipedia article in and of itself. People in politics get Wikipedia articles by winning the election and thereby holding the office, not by running as a candidate in an election they withdrew from. There is simply no valid argument for notability as a politician here, because people become notable as politicians by holding notable political offices, not by pulling out of the race two weeks before election day.

You're not going to save this article by posting long screeds to this discussion about how she's a "public figure", or by falsely accusing me of "bias" when I've never shown one second of bias whatsoever — if you want to save this article, then you need to find and show better WP:GNG-worthy sourcing about her art to demonstrate that she would pass WP:NARTIST. The problem isn't that she's black, and the problem isn't that she's a woman — and if you want to accuse me of racism here, then check out who created our articles about Karen Chapman, Laurie Townshend, Virnetta Anderson, Myriam Magassouba, Traci Melchor, Kelly Fyffe-Marshall, Yasmine Mathurin and Alicia K. Harris. The problem is that a person (regardless of their gender or skin colour) has to hold office as a politician, not just run for office and then withdraw, to become notable as a politician — so to make Natasha Doyle-Merrick notable enough for a Wikipedia article, you need to establish that she's notable as an artist, not as a politician. Bearcat (talk) 02:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alliance Against Depression

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This is an WP:ESSAY full of WP:OR. I prodded, which was endorsed by another editor, which was contested without improvement. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:56, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 05:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – per Svartner and nominator —Joeyconnick (talk) 07:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 01:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:44, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Borealis (software company)

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The organisation is not meeting GNG and NCORP as it has only dependent media links and press-releases Norlk (talk) 12:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There is also a Draft:Borealis (software company) which was declined at AfC later in the day after this copy had been placed in mainspace. AllyD (talk) 11:42, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This is a brochure-like article about a company's product proposition, supported by listings, announcement-based and passing mention references. As it stands, it lacks the coverage needed to demonstrate notability. Possibly, though, the user's Draft can be left for them to develop, with the proviso that it would have to be submitted through AfC and not simply moved/copied again into mainspace. AllyD (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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April Hutchinson

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Does not meet WP:NATHLETE, and the page is almost entirely comprised by primary sources not independent of the subject for statements of fact, primary sources of non notable sporting events, low quality unreliable blogs such as Reduxx, and generally unreliable or outright unreliable news sources such as Fox News, Rebel News, and New York Post on issues related to GENSEX to the point where once those sources are excised the subject does not meet any form of notability even as an Anti-Trans activist. Page was accepted after a series of failed reviews despite no edits between the last review pointing out the problems with the page and the acceptance by a separate reviewer, which may explain some of these problems. Relm (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

:Draftify or Delete I believe this article was not ready to come out of draft space, and the editor who worked on it had not responded to the critique of the previous submission or touched Wikipedia since. I think the issues with the page are substantial enough to consider outright deletion, but sending it back to draft space for the original author - should they return to the project - to continue to get used to WP:RSP may be sufficient. Relm (talk) 00:46, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is false.

Here are the current citations and sports accomplishments that are notable:

North American Powerlifting Federation

Megyn Kelly Show

Open Powerlifting

Alberta Assembly

CBC News

New York Post

NBC 15 News

London Free Press (2)

Fox News (2)

Newsweek

Outkick (2)

CTV News

Sports achievements:

North American Regional Powerlifting Championships

Gold medal – first place 2022 Panama Masters 1

Silver medal – second place 2022 Cayman Islands Masters 1

Nationals

Silver medal – second place 2022 Newfoundland Masters 1

Gold medal – first place 2023 British Columbia Masters 1

Central Canadian Powerlifting and Bench Press Championships

Gold medal – first place 2021 Ontario Masters 1

Ontario Provincials

Gold medal – first place 2022 Ontario Open

OPA Masters and Open Provincial Powerlifting Championship

Gold medal – first place 2023 Ontario Masters 1

Reduxx has one single article.

This request is not accurate. QcAmbitious (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Crossposting from the talk page[1]

Please familiarize yourself with WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NATHLETE, WP:RELIABLE, WP:PRIMARY/WP:SECONDARY, WP:INDEPENDENT, and WP:DUE.

A source existing does not make the source notable, nor does it make it reliable. Wikipedia prioritizes reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

This page is primarily built on primary sources not independent of the author, or which do not provide any semblance of notability such as the direct links to event placements and her personal details. Primary sources are okay in some circumstances, but in this case all that would be left in early life is a link to her own page cited to a claim that she was born in Ontario. Career beginnings section is exclusively cited to primary sources. So far there is nothing to suggest this person is notable as an athlete, just that their athletic profile exists. If someone made a page for me and cited my USChess profile, that would not make me notable as a chess player - what would is if reliable secondary sources discuss my play.

The 'women's rights advocate' claim is sourced to a Megyn Kelly appearance. Megyn Kelly's show - and syndicated television news generally speaking - is not a reliable source.

The activism section is sourced to a vimeo video by the subject, rebel news (not a reliable source [2]), a link to assembly minutes (Primary source); and then a citelist of a podcast, two WP:UNDUE blogposts, and a link to a primary source from an anti trans advocacy group.

So now we get to the Controversy section.

Hutchinson gained attention after being removed from the "Resilient London: Meet Your Neighbours" exhibit at Museum London, Ontario, due to her comments on transgender athletes.

This claim is cited to 7 sources. CBC News (mostly reliable with the caveat that it's state funded), Reduxx (a hate blog), another blog, the New York Post (Unreliable per WP:NYPOST), a local affiliate of NBC which does not actually contribute to the claim but rather is just a primary source for the comments themselves, London Free Press (A local newspaper), GB news (unreliable, and would be deprecated if it was cited more [3]), and Fox news (unreliable WP:FOXNEWS).

We then have an accidental double cite of the same CBC news article, Newsweek (used to be reliable, but now isn't WP:NEWSWEEK), True North (definitely an unreliable news source and I'm happy to take that to WP:RSN if you want confirmation). We then have Fox News again, Daily Citizen (an anti LGBT advocacy group, not a news source), true north again, and then Fox News a third time. Next is a triplet of sources, the first to a blogpost, the second to Sportskeeda - which I have never heard of but I will assume for the benefit of the doubt that it is fine, and Outkick (which is under FOX News). Outkick again, and the earlier local newspaper from her home town.

The personal life snippet about alcoholism is sourced to Gamesday London (sports section of the earlier local paper) and CTV which is fine.

So after all of that, we are left with:

A single CBC article and potentially a Sportskeeda article covering her comments and the aftermath, and the CTV article about her alcoholism.

That's 2, possibly 3, reliable secondary sources at best to provide notability. This is a local interest story picked up by anti trans advocates, but she is not even notable for that relative to other figures like Riley Gaines. This person does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. Relm (talk) 13:30, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI Sportskeeda is considered unreliable. JoelleJay (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as there is WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources about the subject speaking out about trans women participating in powerlifting, e.g. The London Free Press, CBC News, a local NBC news affiliate, The Montreal Gazette (November 2023) and The Windsor Star (June 2024). There are also two articles before this time in 2022 about the subject's path to powerlifting in The London Free Press and CTV News. I can understand how these could be missed given the multiple non-independent, non-Wikipedia notable references in the article. Nonetheless, the article appears to meet WP:BASIC. Not sure if article meets WP:NATH as there is no Wikipedia policy guidance on this; the subject has placed 1st five times and 2nd two times in competitions. Note that this article cleared the WP:AFC process last month. Nnev66 (talk) 17:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These were not missed and were discussed in my above post save the Montreal Gazette and Windsor Star (not in the article to my knowledge). The issue is that of the sources which are left with the exception of CTV News and CBC News, these are all local papers - and they're all covering the same two local interest stories about this person. There is a paucity of reliable sources above the local level, and what they cover does not seem to make this individual notable as an athlete or as an activist. In regards to the AFC, the article was declined three times, and the last one in January - the page received no edits between being declined for serious issues and being accepted by a different reviewer last month. Relm (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - RelmC, this is a lot to read here. But before I spend too much time reviewing all these sources: you appear to have struck your draftify/delete. You don't say why. Was this because it is assumed as nom.? Or did you strike because you are withdrawing the nomination? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My vote was striked by Nfitz who - correctly as I understand it - striked my vote as the one who nominates is presumed to be voting to delete. Hope this clarifies. Relm (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, yes, thanks. It is correct that the nom. vote is assumed, but I wasn't clear on that being the reason. Now I am. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep although I would almost be happier with draftify, based on some concerns about the way the page is presented. If we keep it I would support removing the activism and controversy sections altogether in favour of a couple of sentences in the career section limited to the most salient details unless and until secondary sources are written about that issue. But it is a keep because we appear to be over the threshold for WP:BASIC/WP:GNG. But only just, in fact. Sources must be secondary, and I don't think the trans women participation reports qualify. Now, we could get into long discussions about that, but let's be clear: the question of what is primary or secondary in a source depends on the question being asked of it. A source such as this one [4], mentioned above, is primary for the matter of report (that a trans athlete saw a backlash) but secondary in any background given about Hutchinson. But it doesn't give us any significant background. The statements made by Hutchinson are primary reporting regarding the matter that is the occasion of the article. To put that another way, what can we say about Hutchinson from that and similar articles? We are writing a biography, and if the only thing the source adds is that she said something relating to the matter of the trans competitor, then that is primary reporting - and WP:BLP is clear that we should be waiting for secondary sourcing for that. Nevertheless there are other articles, particularly those that talk about her overcoming addiction, that tell us significantly more about her and from which an article can be written. Indeed, that was why she was in the Museum London exhibit in the first place. Having said all that, there is indeed an issue that much of the coverage is local. She is an inspiring local interest story. I am not presonally convinced she is very notable beyond that, but I believe the Wikipedia consensus would generally find someone with this amount of coverage crosses the line. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Foresters House

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Article about an office building, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for office buildings. As always, buildings are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage and analysis of their architectural, historical, social or cultural significance -- but this doesn't make any meaningful notability claim over and above existing, and is referenced almost entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability. The only reliable source present here at all is an insurance industry trade magazine, which is here solely to tangentially verify the name of the company's CEO rather than supporting any information about the building in its own right.
Since it's the headquarters of a company that does have an article under WP:CORP terms, any information we need about its head office can easily be contained in the company's article -- but in order to qualify for its own standalone article as a separate topic from the company, it would need a much stronger notability claim, and much better sourcing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 19:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not appear to have sufficient notability to pass WP:NBUILD. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 23:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not appear notable, could not find any meaningful sources. silviaASH (inquire within) 06:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Articles about designated heritage buildings is something that we should be expanding on Wikipedia. This is a prominent and very well-known building - you even see mention of it in fiction, such as [ short stories] by Austin Clarke. There has been coverage over the last half-century, such as this significant trade article when it was sold in 2022. There was national media coverage when it was constructed, such as in the Globe and Mail (ProQuest 1270450320). Even if the article isn't deemed worthy of inclusion, it's most certainly should be merged and/or redirected to Foresters Financial. Nfitz (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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L'Atelier Animation

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does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies. The article lacks significant independent coverage from reliable sources that establish notability Hka-34 Jyli (talk) 08:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. fails WP:SIRS fifteen thousand two hundred twenty nine (talk) 11:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not meet WP:GNG--Kopnakolicti (talk) 07:11, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – I added films that L'Atelier Animation helped make. It has been profiled in reliable sources including Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, Animation Magazine and Cartoon Brew. Kansas Reimer (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Cinesite. I can see a lot of very niche trade references about the company ... though I can't see the Variety or Hollywood Reporter profiles (can you link them User:Kansas Reimer?). There's enough out there that delete would be overkill. But I'd need to be convinced that it couldn't be included in the website for the company, rather than this division. Nfitz (talk) 22:09, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Cinesite as not independently notable but relevant to that article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge the studio may have notability, however, in-depth coverage is not sufficient at the moment Cinder painter (talk) 09:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eren Legend (bodybuilder)

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Previously soft-deleted for lack of notability. I doubt the topic has since become notable. Janhrach (talk) 13:39, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not appear to have valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG. There's just a slight mention of him in the CBC article which is the only quality source I can consider. Source #4 is dead. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 23:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Eren Legend meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines due to his recognized impact in the bodybuilding community. He has been featured in reputable fitness magazines and websites, with coverage from independent sources discussing his achievements and training insights. His involvement in bodybuilding competitions and contributions to fitness culture further support his notability. Deleting the article would remove a relevant figure from the fitness community, and the existing sources substantiate his presence in the field. Therefore, I believe the article should be kept at least a Biography stubs. Lukadon (talk) 03:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This comment scores 100% at GPTZero. Janhrach (talk) 13:22, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Two Autumns in Paris

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Promo for non notable film. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. No sign of any reviews. Being screened at minor festivals and winning minor awards does not satisfy NFILM. One of multiple promo pieces for Francisco Villarroel and his creations made by the same spammer. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:38, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per the reasons you have just said. An editor from Mars (talk) 04:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Production and screenings received a lot of coverage in Spanish...@Kingsif:, if you have time, could you have a look at this and, maybe, if it's not asking too much, the associated pages (another film, a festival and the actor mentioned above)? Thanks a lot!-Mushy Yank. 07:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given the coverage and awards/nominations, a redirect to List of Venezuelan films (listed there in 2020) would seem appropriate, at least. -Mushy Yank. 07:34, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's a decent chance that at least this film is suitable for an article, based on a very quick search, but then looking at the articles all made by quite an obvious COI user, we may be in WP:TNT territory in terms of what content is/should be usable. I can have a better look later but am kinda swamped for a few days. Kingsif (talk) 02:14, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Having looked in Spanish, most sources are Venezuelan film organisations (Gran Cine, Trasnocho Cultural, government) that kinda just mention its existence. However, there's a few international sources about screenings and festivals, and the cast (Cervantes Institute, La Vanguardia). Small coverage, but RS and more than 'look we made this'. The film also got a wide cinema release in Venezuela - which would be no small feat any time after 2014, but is frankly outstanding that it happened in 2020. (El Estímulo, El Universal). Possibly the best source to start the article afresh with might be this Unión Radio piece (and interview?) about it. I don't think El Carabobeño is generally accepted as RS, but it has an article about the film being adapted from Villarroel's book, itself based on a true story, that could be useful if acceptable. Also to note, most of the awards listed on its IMDb are absolute duds, and as such the (probably quite evident anyway) Venezuelan government propaganda media, just listing off how many global awards this thing got, should be avoided. Kingsif (talk) 22:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with the sources added to the article. Nfitz (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ElderTreks

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The company is not notable per WP:NORG. I have done a WP:BEFORE and found no sources. CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 01:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agree with nominator. The only sources I have found are articles on travel for older people that mention eldertreks as an option. No in-depth, significant coverage of the company

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Delete I also agree with you, the nominator. Also, per the reasons @Anonrfjwhuikdzz has said above. An editor from Mars (talk) 04:26, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

* Delete: Zero secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG. Could not find anything. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 00:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Vigolo, Vania (2017). "ElderTreks—Small-Group Exotic Adventures for the Over 50". Older Tourist Behavior and Marketing Tools. Cham: Springer International Publishing. pp. 130–136. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-47735-0. ISBN 978-3-319-47734-3. ISSN 2510-4993. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "ElderTreks is an adventure travel company designed exclusively for individuals aged 50 and over. It is based in Toronto, Canada, and was established in 1987 by Gary Murtagh. ElderTreks offers trips in over 100 countries and includes destinations in Africa, the Americas, the Asia-Pacific Region, Europe, the Middle East, and the Polar regions. Some of the travel proposals include, for example, wildlife and tribal African safaris, active hiking trips to the Rockies, Himalayas and Andes expeditions by icebreakers to the Arctic and Antarctic, and cultural journeys throughout Asia and South America. ElderTreks proposes small group experiences. For example, the maximum group size for land adventures is 16, and expedition ships rather than cruise ships are used for ship-based adventures. Smaller vessels allow for more personal interaction and reduce the impact at the sites visited. Before the establishment of ElderTreks, Gary Murtagh was running trips all over the world to exotic destinations and he realized that there was not a specific adventure travel company targeting the 50-plus market."
2. Kruempelmann, Elizabeth (2002). The Global Citizen: A Guide to Creating an International Life and Career. Berkeley, California: Ten Speed Press. p. 114. ISBN 1-58008-352-8. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Eldertreks is the world’s first adventure travel company for people over fifty. The goal of the program is to promote genuine, noncommercial encounters with local people and nature’s wonders. Locations include thirty-one destinations worldwide. ... All of Eldertreks’ trips involve some walking, in groups of fifteen people or less. You can choose a trip with activity ratings from easy to challenging, but you should be in fairly good shape. Accommodation levels are mostly mid-range hotels and high-end guest houses and inns — all charming, comfortable, and safe. Restaurants range from small, local eateries to elegant retreats."
3. Warren, Isobel (1993). On the Go at 50 Plus. Toronto: Cedar Cave Publishing. pp. 93–94. ISBN 0-920403-06-9. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "One company that’s specializes in adventure travel for mature adults is ElderTreks and president Tov Mason, a mere lad of 33 but already a specialist in adventure trips for younger travellers, is fast becoming expert at creating adventures for their mature counterparts. ElderTreks, often led by Mason himself, have so far included trips to Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, Borneo, the Galapagos Islands, Java and Sumatra, Belize, Costa Rica and Ecuador. But any one tour may accommodate travellers of differing physical abilities. For example, a recent jaunt to Indonesia saw about half of the group explore a gentle countryside at an equally gentle pace while the remainder of the group tackled dense jungles on foot and by canoe and spent the night in a native village."
4. Hobbs, Pam; Algar, Michael (1994). Free to Travel: A Canadian Guide for the 50-Plus Travellers. Toronto: Doubleday Canada. p. 162. ISBN 0-385-25479-2. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "ElderTreks of Toronto has the right idea with their “exotic adventures for the young at heart” tailored to fit 50 plus travellers. An example is their 21-day tour in Thailand: sightseeing in Bangkok and surrounds is followed by an overnight train ride to Chang Mai, with the week there highlighted by a bicycle trip into the countryside. From Chang Mai the group divides; some choose to go to the far north for three days; others opt to stay with the people living in the hills. The latter entails an elephant trek through the jungle and overnighting on bamboo floors of village houses. An experience of a lifetime for sure, but not for everyone, which is exactly why ElderTreks offers a less demanding alternative in the Golden Triangle. "
5. Hegle, Kris Ann (2000). The Internet Made Easy for Seniors. Lincolnwood, Illinois: Publications International. pp. 122–123. ISBN 0-7853-4568-X. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "EIderTreks' Web site contains a lot of good information about trips geared a specifically toward the 50-or-older traveler. This company specializes in adventure travel. In other words, the trips you'll find at this site aren't designed for people who like to be pampered while on vacation. On Elder Treks' home page you'll see a post filled with signs to destinations such as Central Asia, Africa, Europe, the Americas, the South Pacific, Southeast Asia, and Asia Minor and the Middle East. If you click on a sign destination, you'll link to a Web page that describes all of the trips that are currently offered in that region. You'll also find information about the cost, the length of stay, and where travelers will arrive and depart on each trip. Some trips give travelers the option of extending their stay."
6. Heilman, Joan Rattner (1996) [1988]. Unbelievably Good Deals and Great Adventures That You Absolutely Can't Get Unless You're Over 50. Chicago: Contemporary Books. pp. 47–48. ISBN 0-8092-3233-2. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Not designed for those who prefer to view the world through bus windows or will sleep in five-star hotels only, ElderTreks is a program of off-the-beaten-track trips for people 50 and older (and younger companions) who are in reasonably good physical condition, capable of walking at a comfortable pace in tropical conditions. Featuring exotic adventures to relatively remote places in the world, it stresses cultural interaction, physical activity, and nature exploration. However, trekking routes are chosen with older hikers in mind and groups are limited to 15. Trekking portions of the trips are optional and you may choose to substitute a guesthouse-based itinerary."
7. Merz Nordstrom, Nancy; Merz, Jon F. (2006). Learning Later-Living Greater: The Three Secrets for Making the Most of Your "After-50" Years. Boulder, Colorado: First Sentient Publications. pp. 170–171. ISBN 978-1-59181-047-6. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Nineteen-year-old ElderTreks is the world's first adventure travel company designed exclusively for people fifty and over; it provides exciting small-group activities on the land and sea in more than eighty countries. Excursions focus on adventure, indigenous cultures, and nature. Check out the wildlife in Tanzania, scour the Gobi Desert in Mongolia on a camel, witness the awesome spectacles of Angkor Wat in Thailand, and even visit the seventh continent of Antarctica. All of these adventures and more are possible when you travel with ElderTreks."
8. Kaye, Evelyn (2001). Travel and Learn: 1001 Vacations Around the World. Boulder, Colorado: Blue Panda Publications. pp. 112–113. ISBN 1-929315-01-5. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Designed for adventure travelers of 50 and over, Eldertreks offers hiking and other active trips to dozens of exotic locations including Cuba, Morocco, Kenya, Tibet, Hungary, Turkey, India, Borneo, Vietnam, Brazil, Costa Rica, Iceland, Finland, and New Zealand."
9. Shapiro, Michael (1997). Pizzo, Stephen (ed.). NetTravel: How Travelers Use the Internet. Sebastapol, California: Songline Studios and O'Reilly & Associates. p. 127. ISBN 1-56592-172-0. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Another site aimed at seniors is Toronto-based ElderTreks (http://www.eldertreks.com/), which specializes in adventures for people over 50. Travelers can use the site to learn about ElderTreks’ philosophy and tours. A link leads to information about ElderTreks’ tour leaders, which can help seniors feel more comfortable about the trip they are considering. ElderTreks uses the Net well to give a description of each trip, for example, a 16-day tour of Turkey. The description includes text, images, a map, a detailed itinerary, cost, and departure dates. If travelers still have questions about any tour, they can click ..."
10. Vadnai, Noah; Smith, Julian (2000). Travel Planning Online for Dummies (2 ed.). Foster City, California: IDG Books. p. 58. ISBN 0-7645-0672-2. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "ElderTreks (www.eldertreks. com) is a Toronto-based travel agency that specializes in designing active vacations for people over 50. The site is extremely well designed and provides you with tons of tantalizing information about the trips they offer. Hiking in the Gobi Desert? Journeying through Irian Java? A far cry from shuffleboard aboard the Pacific Princess — that's the point."
11. Landes, Michael (2000). The Back Door Guide to Short-Term Job Adventures. Berkeley, California: Ten Speed Press. pp. 237–238. ISBN 1-58008-147-9. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Assuring "exotic adventures for the young at heart," ElderTreks offers off-the-beaten-path cultural experiences to destinations such as Sumatra, Bali, Thailand, and Morocco. The two to three-week trips are geared for travelers who want to really explore and experience a country, from strolling through street markets and cycling through a tropical countryside to the human encounter of sharing dinner with a local family in their home. Nature is a key element to all itineries."
12. Tsutsumi, Cheryl Chee (2006-09-28). "Exploring the wild side: Toronto-based ElderTreks offers more than five dozen exotic trips for the active older traveler" (pages 1 and 2). Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2025-04-06. Retrieved 2025-04-06 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "Passages Exotic Expeditions, ElderTreks' parent company, was founded in 1987 *when adventure travel was just in its infancy," according to sales manager Christine Bossence. After five years of catering to all ages, executives noticed there was a big demand from mature travelers seeking active vacations in far-flung destinations without hassles such as arranging for local transportation and accommodations on the spot. Thus, Elder Treks was born as a division of Passages Exotic Expeditions in 1992. It now offers over five dozen adventures in 90 countries, including Libya, Morocco, Madagascar, Hungary/Roma-nia, Sri Lanka, India, Myan-mar, Borneo and Bhutan. Available next year are new programs to Malta, Egypt, Iceland, Papua New Guinea, Belize/Tikal and the Czech Republic/Slovakia/Poland."
13. Catto, Susan (2002-12-15). "Practical Traveler; Older Travelers Hit the Road". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2011-02-15. Retrieved 2025-04-06.
  The article notes: "Now in its 17th year, ElderTreks offers land and marine adventures on five continents. Tours are limited to 16 people (some of the boat trips are larger or smaller). [quote] The 21-day Cultural West Africa trip loops through Mali and Burkina Faso, with a safari on the Niger River and a trip to Timbuktu"
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow ElderTreks to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:23, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Though these are reliable sources, most of them read like they are merely mentioning the company and its product listings, i.e. adventure travel for 50+ adults. There is not much in the way of commentary here, and to me these read more as examples of WP:OrgTRIV rather than WP:SUBSTANTIAL. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with this assessment of the sources. ElderTreks is profiled on pages 130–136 of the academic book Older Tourist Behavior and Marketing Tools published by Springer International Publishing. As this book review from the Journal of the Association for Anthropology & Gerontology notes:

In the third part, the researcher discusses so-called case studies illustrating various strategies adopted in the tourism industry, on the basis of specific examples. The subject of the analysis comprised three tourism firms: (I) Viaggi Floreali (Slovenia), specialising in tourism for small groups of seniors; (II) ElderTreks (Canada), specialising in tourism for individual seniors; (III) Algarve Senior Living (Great Britain), specialising in the rental of tourist facilities. The qualitative research carried out by Vigolo is based on the following methodology: (1) determination of how the company began to target older people; (2) description of the target and its characteristics; (3) description of the company’s distinctive elements; (4) description of the marketing mix (product, price, place, and promotion strategies); (5) analysis of the market context, with a focus on active aging and on challenges for the tourism industry (Vigolo 2017, 129).

Kruempelmann 2002 provides 277 words of coverage about how the company's travel itineraries work. Isobel Warren's book provides 208 words of coverage. Pam Hobbs's book provides 282 words of coverage. The books provides the authors' commentary about what they think about the company's travel itineraries. None of these sources are trivial coverage. The sources meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Significant coverage, which says, "Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization." Cunard (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: changed my vote to keep per Cunard's commentary, thank you for this explanation. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 21:43, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per sources provided. It would be nice if someone added some of them to the article - but that's not an issue for AFD. Nfitz (talk) 21:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep agreed with this bizarre AfD where we all seem to want to pass the buck about actually adding those sources, but still agreed that is not the job of the AfD. After those copious volume of sources were provided (though not added) this article should not be deleted, though someone please (I call not it!) should add them to the article in a constructive manner. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arts Council~Haliburton Highlands

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Arts council that fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. A BEFORE search, I could not find any other sources that weren't liked to the organization or a brief, trivial mention, it has got some local news coverage, but I'm not sure if that can cement notability. Not to mention almost the entire article's tone is promotional. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The Arts Council- Haliburton Highlands has received independent + detailed in local news at the very least [5][6]. The events they put on in the region have also received non-trivial coverage [7]. They received direct support from the Canadian government to start an ongoing symposium on performing arts in rural communities [8]. News about the organization has been presented in the Toronto Star as well [9] .This coverage spans at least a decade, so it's not a small burst. Between the primary source of its website and local coverage that is sometimes included in major Canadian newspapers, it seems like the council is notable + provides a significant amount of arts programming in the Haliburton region. I vote to keep though I agree the article should be updated.
Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 23:31, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply sources 1,2,3 and 5 come up with 404 pages, are they availble on the Wayback Machine? ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 01:44, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I malformatted the links. The links are fixed and the pages are still live. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 22:34, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts and Organizations. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:14, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is more of a promotion for the orgnaization than anything else. Was created by a single pupose editor in 2009 with not much editing from any other editor since. Probably COI issue. Ramos1990 (talk) 22:38, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - The original author itself was banned in 2009 for being an advertising account, something seems fishy here. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 01:29, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 07:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A lot of the article text concerns the history of arts initiatives in the area prior to the formation of this Arts Council: such content probably belongs in Haliburton_County#Arts_and_culture (suitably referenced, though). That leads to a wider suggestion that a merge and redirect may be a possibility? AllyD (talk) 07:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy with this outcome. There is probably enough coverage available to make a standalone page about the arts in the Haliburton area if the section in Haliburton County becomes too lengthy. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 01:34, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - although I'm starting to get on the fence of notability, the article does have a pretty large COI and PROMO issue. Maybe the article should be WP:TNT? ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 20:27, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the sources provided in this discussion - particularly the Toronto Star article - confirm notability. The content itself should be improved - but that's a different discussion. Nfitz (talk) 21:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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