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Fagner (footballer, born 1990)

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Looks like a WP:SPORTCRIT/WP:GNG failure. Only played 122 minutes in Japan and has no usable sources in that Wikipedia. Returned to Brazil to only be a bit-part player there too. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - There are only sources about his time at PSTC, too little for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:11, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not finding anything that establishes notability. Doesn't seem to have a page in Portuguese which is where I would go to try to learn more. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ma Siu Kwan

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Sources for this article seem to refer back to this article (i.e. an aggregated google book) – might make more sense to merge to one of the team pages if doesn't seem worth a delete. Smallangryplanet (talk) 17:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ihar Khmelyuk

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No claim to notability outside of his 8 matches in the second tier of Belarus and no evidence of WP:GNG being met. Sport.ua only has 2 sentences about him and my own searches in Belarusian, Ukrainian and Russian (Хмелюк Игорь) yielded no decent results. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:43, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Searching cyrillic/russian sources I found only this semi-dubious source remarking on Khmelyuk play. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 16:52, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob Goodall

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources are all primary while a BEFORE didn't come up with anything much better. Let'srun (talk) 15:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:42, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Árpád Csonka

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This footballer only played two matches for DAC Dunajská Streda before disappearing for over one decade. The only secondary source I found is Pravda, a passing mention in squad list. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - playing 19 minutes of football is not a "credible claim of significance or importance". Geschichte (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Punjab FC records and statistics

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Per WP:NOTSTATS. The particular content can be found at Punjab FC#Records and statistics. Wareon (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Club is far too young to need this WP:CONTENTFORK. Govvy (talk) 10:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify – As WP:ATD. I'm not against this type of page, but there's still little material to be worked on. Svartner (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Punjab FC#Records and statistics - does not need a separate article. Giant Snowman 18:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Jaime

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources are primary and while a BEFORE found coverage at [[1]], student newspapers generally aren't considered as being independent. Let'srun (talk) 01:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jake Feener

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Subject does not appear to have the needed WP:SIGCOV from reliable secondary sources to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources in the article are all primary and a search elsewhere didn't come up with anything that could be used to have the notability guidelines be met. Let'srun (talk) 01:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dastan Satpayev

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Contested draftification. The only coverage of this football player I can find are trivial announcements that he'll be joining Chelsea and run-of-the-mill stories about his scoring in particular games. The Forbes article appears to be unreliable per WP:FORBESCON. Note that NFOOTY has been explicitly repealed by consensus of the community. See Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability#202203070648_Wugapodes_2 and Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 49#Association football (soccer). voorts (talk/contributions) 00:17, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I already cited the most no. of sources and citations in Eng than other language versions, even more than the Kazakh version. Also included sourves from Kazakhstan FA and FC Kairat, please consider those. Chelsdog (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep International player, loads of sources on google, did you bother with a WP:BEFORE, [2], [3], [4]. Terrible nomination in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 08:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read the part of my nom where I said all of the sources I could find are trivial coverage or run of the mill stories about his transfer to Chelsea? voorts (talk/contributions) 14:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table prepared by User:voorts
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Forbes		WP:FORBESCON		? Unknown
Football Talent Scout		SPS. See about page.		✘ No
Astana Times	Independent of the subject, but not independent in the sense that this is a Kazakh-government run paper that has a vested interest in promoting Kazakhstan. See Special:PermanentLink/1059226246#Kazakh-government funded outlets.	See comment on independence.	Run-of-the-mill announcement about transfer. Not significant because participation does not equal notability.	✘ No
Vesti 1		No clear editorial standards and no author listed on article.	One sentence about the article subject.	✘ No
Vesti 2	?	No clear editorial standards and no author listed on article.	Trivial coverage about a single game.	✘ No
Vesti 3		No clear editorial standards and no author listed on article.	Largely trivial coverage about a single game, but tries to situate this into a potential record that the player hasn't actually broken.	? Unknown
Kazinform	English translation of press release. See following entry in chart.		Run-of-the-mill press release about moving to Chelsea.	✘ No
FC Kairat	Official team site.		Run-of-the-mill press release about moving to Chelsea.	✘ No
Chelsea Chronicle	Fan site.	~~Fan site, but claims to be run by journalists; no clear editorial standar ds].~~ Editorial standards here		? Unknown
The Standard			Run-of-the-mill story about transfer to Chelsea.	✘ No
KFF	Kazakhstan Football Federation website.		Participation is not sufficient for notability per the two RfCs noted in my nom.	✘ No
FC Kairat 2	Team website.		Two sentences and doesn't mention this player.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Source assessment confirms that the coverage is largely based on participation. Participation-based coverage is not sufficient for notability based on the two RfCs linked to in the nom. If footy editors want that changed, they're welcome to go start another RfC at NSPORTS. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:39, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Sources are too trivial/routine. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Randall (footballer)

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Played once professionally. We could redirect to 2010–11 Aldershot Town F.C. season as he is mentioned there. RossEvans19 (talk) 00:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per above to 2010–11 Aldershot Town F.C. season, I tried to have a look to see if he did anything after being release from Aldershot, but see nothing. Very similar to other AfD Mark Wright (footballer, born 1981). Couldn't see any coverage after release. Govvy (talk) 08:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 16:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rafaela Pimenta

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Fails in WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:ONEVENT, since it is only about the lawyer who inherited the fortune and business of the late agent Mino Raiola. Svartner (talk) 20:12, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources present in article which show notability. Giant Snowman 16:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is that all sources cover a single event, with no notability beyond the Raiola's death event. Svartner (talk) 01:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Carlo Acquista

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Non-notable playing career and from what I've gathered a not particularly notable coaching career, but I might be wrong. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 16:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Acosta

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Subject played 11 games for the developmental team of New York Red Bulls, therefore WP:GNG. Acosta is no longer a collegiate athlete from what I gathered has not signed with another club, but I may be incorrect. Raskuly (talk) 16:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leon Abravanel

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Subject only played three games at the third tier of American soccer. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 16:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Some coverage: Kitsap Sun (p2), more in the Sun (p2), Ventura County Star (p2). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He did play at the professional level, but not for long, I also see he did get notable secondary coverage, such as the Ventura County Star. I see no problem with keeping the article, but it does need to be expanded as it is a stub. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 17:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I was gonna include some articles I found, but noticed that Beanie already did the honors. JTtheOG (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 16:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dersu Abolfathi

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Subject only played eight games at a professional level in the third tier. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 16:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He did play at the professional level, but not for long, I see no problem with keeping the article, but it does need to be expanded as it is a stub. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria per WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. The sources, primarily from Stanford Athletics and Transfermarkt, provide only routine statistics without significant independent coverage. Abolfathi's limited professional record (one match each for Orange County Blue Star and Orange County Blues) and college honors (e.g., 2012 All-Pac-12 Honorable Mention) do not satisfy the requirement for notable achievements or widespread recognition in reliable sources. Editz2341231 (talk) 19:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – No WP:SIGCOV for an athlete with a few matches in an amateur/semi-pro league. Svartner (talk) 19:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Xavi Espart

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An athlete who started his career recently does not meet WP:SPORTSPERSON. Htanaungg (talk) 04:04, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 13:58, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 23:08, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Per above. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Cooper (soccer)

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I'm not sure what makes Cooper more worthy of an article than other collegiate soccer coaches, especially since he has a non-notable playing career. The most notable thing about him (from what I understand) is his long tenure and winning a coach of the year award which may be enough to warrant an article, but I'm not sure so I've put it up. Raskuly (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I cannot find significant coverage of the player/coach. Most sources are primary. I don't think winning a coach of the year award is enough without in depth coverage of other accomplishments. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's SIGCOV here. He passes WP:NCOLLATH for being named the number one college coach in the U.S... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then I'm in favor of keeping the article. Raskuly (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
pinging @Anonrfjwhuikdzz: and @GiantSnowman: for thoughts on this. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 00:44, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't think there is coverage indicating Cooper is notable enough for an article. The article being pointed to as significant coverage on jweekly.com is local and relies heavily on comments from Cooper himself making the source partially primary and not entirely independent of the subject.

I also want to note that simply being named top coach does not mean someone is notable, it just means a search for in-depth coverage is more likely to be successful. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 01:30, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We need more than one good source - if you find a second similar to Jweekly then please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What's the point of having NCOLLATH if we're going to delete those who both pass it and have SIGCOV? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The guidelines for WP:NCOLLATH aren't a pass/fail system. They just indicate whether a search for significant coverage is likely to succeed. See Q2 in the FAQ at the top of the NSPORT page. The reality is that certain college sports don't receive much attention including football (soccer) in the US so a football coach meeting a bullet point in NCOLLATH is not a good indicator of notability. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 17:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone is helped by knowing that "being the best coach in the U.S. is likely to result in significant coverage"... It either should have some weight at AFD or its useless. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
pinging WormEater13 who inappropriately close this. Per WP:SK#1, even if the nominator withdrawn, we should not close this as SK as there are 2 delete votes above. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 00:40, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Miminity - my apologies, I take full responsibility for this. I forgot to pay attention that there were two delete !votes, and this was a error on my part. Thank you for reverting. WormEater13 (talk • contribs) 00:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yaw Amankwa

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Played only at lower divisions. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 00:32, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no evidence of notability, only source is database. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 01:47, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob Bender (soccer)

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Only played in lower leagues. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 00:35, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete only routine coverage exists and lower league player. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 01:47, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luca Ariatti

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Fails WP:GNG. No sources beyond profiles from databases and short mentions. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 13:31, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He played for Atalanta, Fiorentina, Lecce and Chievo in the Serie A and has over 150 appearances in his career [5] - There's some sources on the Italian wiki too. RossEvans19 (talk) 15:37, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just because he played many times does not make him notable. Also, 80% of the sources about him on the Italian wiki do not open for me for some reason, so i dont know what to say about them WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:11, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep Are you too lazy to look at his Italian wiki? it:Luca Ariatti, there are sources about. Govvy (talk) 20:57, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Italian wiki sources, but article needs improvement. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 21:39, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep per @RossEvans19, is a professional footballer who has played significantly in the Italian top flight. Yes, this is a poorly sourced article, but do a WP:BEFORE search. I guarantee that there are sources. Also -- clear pass of Wikipedia:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. This article definitely needs to be improved, but deletion is completely unwarranted. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 01:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per lack of WP:BEFORE. Notably, he was profiled in La Repubblica: "Giuseppe Calabrese, Ariatti, il normale incredibile dalla C agli stadi delle big, 9 November 2004, page 6". Also received a lot of coverage because of the recent Juventus scandal, eg. from Il Resto del Carlino [6]. Another example of significant coverage in reliable sources is this article from L'Arena, [7]. Cavarrone 11:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Really poor nomination with no evidence of BEFORE. Giant Snowman 13:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Analysis of the references on Italian Wikipedia would be helpful. The admins can't speedy keep this AfD as other participants may still prefer deletion. Following WP:NSPORTS2022, notability should be judged by references provided. Number of career appearances are irrelevant. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:23, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Satoshi Yoshida

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Played 24 games, but career was very short and lacks significant coverage, including none in the Japanese Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 07:19, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete I had a read of the Japanese wikipedia, I didn't see even enough there for modern standards for WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 09:59, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Minor career and no WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 03:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:56, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant coverage to establish notability.
Strong Delete WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:SIGCOV require that there be more regardless of the language. Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Koji Inada (footballer)

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Played few games and lacks significant coverage, including none in the Japanese Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 07:17, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:55, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Mitrović (footballer, born January 2002)

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He only played 19 minutes of professional football before spending his career in the second tier. A cursory search brought up the rather more merited footballer Stefan Mitrović born in the same year. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamed Bilili Bangura

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This guy doesn't meet the notability requirements. Article is an orphan. He plays for a division four team in Sweden -- an amateur league -- Wikipedia doesn't cover amateur football per guidelines. Finally, one of the sources seems to be a blog, and the other two aren't reliable sources. Not WP:SUSTAINED, fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:RS, and has serious NPOV issues. Also not notable bc it's only of interest to local people. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 00:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I am a little confused by this one, is it a WP:HOAX ? Govvy (talk) 08:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think he is a real footballer, he appeared in National-football-teams. But I can't find source for most of the information in the article like "he joined his brother Abdul Bangura" and "one of the best midfielder for Härnösands FF" KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 10:50, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah -- per @KhoaNguyen1, it's not that he doesn't exist -- he just plays for a tier 4 swedish team (amateur level,) and doesn't have sigcov or reliable sources. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 13:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nominator, that footballer has only played 2 professional matches KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 10:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Too many red flags for me, doesn't seem to pass GNG for me either. Govvy (talk) 19:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 01:50, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I haven't been able to find many RSes that can be used to bolster his notability. If the assertion is true that he has only played 2 professional matches, I fail to see how this reaches the levels of notability required for an athlete. WP:TOOSOON likely applies here. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 15:31, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luís Henrique (footballer, born 1979)

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I performed a WP:BEFORE and did not find any WP:SIGCOV about this player. Svartner (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Another one of countless WP:COOKIE sportsmen whose WP:N is pretty much non-existent. EditorGirlAL07 (talk) 03:50, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Perm stub that's once sentence long with no sources.. Scooby453w (talk)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 01:50, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks notability. I cannot find any RSes to support him. Therefore WP:SIGCOV likely applies here.

Steven Barrera

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. JTtheOG (talk) 22:32, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 01:50, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable. Fails WP:GNG and WP:RS criterion. Go4thProsper (talk) 17:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hussein Al-Ankoshei

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No evidence of WP:SUSTAINED notability using WP:RS Amigao (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 01:50, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Wright (footballer, born 1981)

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Just a single sentence. Non-notable, fails WP:GNG Mast303 (talk) 00:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 1999–2000 Preston North End F.C. season. Very common name, hard to lookup, I gave up after 5 minutes of searching. He could have played for other clubs, if not, maybe a redirect to the season page, as he only played three games for that season under David Moyes. Govvy (talk) 11:17, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per Gowy. Svartner (talk) 15:22, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per Shrug02 sources. Svartner (talk) 03:03, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I believe these provide significant coverage [8] [9] [10] Shrug02 (talk) 19:29, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show (just) notability. Giant Snowman 01:58, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am going to stick with my original argument of redirect, honestly, those sources although talk about him retiring are WP:ROUTINE and makes his career WP:BLP1E. Unless he is some how able to become a top coach, then this not a notable career. Govvy (talk) 08:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy He was on the books at a professional club for 6 years and made his debut at the age of 17 which (bearing in mind the current record and when it was set) makes him one of the youngest players to play for PNE and probably got coverage in print media at the time - this was 1998 when digital coverage was sparse. He also played for them in a season that they won the league they were in. He's certainly more notable than just for the fact he retired which makes the BLP1E suggestion nonsense. Shrug02 (talk) 10:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Being on the books in the youth setup does not give notability. Getting a debut can help, but again he only played a few games then had to retire. WP:SUSTAINED applies also. This bio clearly lacks and does not constitute towards a keep. Govvy (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Enough there to pass GNG and SIGCOV by a whisker. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 21:40, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – The only potential significant coverage is The Bolton News, while the other two are routine announcements of retirement. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Allen Gavilanes

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 23:43, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft? SIGCOV? You know you can work with WP:BASIC, anyway, I see some useful hits, but most are WP:ROUTINE from my perspective. Possible a better article can be built, but I am not really seeing it. So delete or draft for me. Govvy (talk) 10:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 15:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 01:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—I admit that this is surprising, given his age and experience, but WP:SIGCOV is lacking, and he's too old, in my view, for a WP:TOOSOON. Anwegmann (talk) 03:02, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Allsebrook

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Fails as per WP:NSPORTS. While he has appeared more than 80 times for a club at a professional level, and it is backed by two notable sources, there is simply nothing else that would suggest that this player is 'relevant' enough for an article. KrystalInfernus (talk) 21:31, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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And where did you look for sources for this 1910s footballer? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:45, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep The nominator makes the keep case themselves. This person "played for a club at a professional level" and the article is "backed by two notable sources". What more do you want, especially as this player pre-dates the internet age by many decades? Anxioustoavoid (talk) 22:47, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I consider this a bad faith nomination, the player won the Second division with Notts County in the 1913–14 Football League, I bet there are old newspaper archives that can help. WP:OFFLINESOURCES. Probably mentioned in a few Notts history books. I also suspect he may have served in WW1, there is probably more to find. Govvy (talk) 10:57, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - nearly 100 appearances for one of the most pre-eminent teams in English football, in an era when the internet did not exist. WP:COMMONSENSE apples. Giant Snowman 01:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG. WP:NFOOTBALL was scrapped in 2022 and all Keeps using it as a reason to keep should be ignored by the closer. I did an actual search in the BNA archives and found no sigcov for Richard/Dick Allsebrook. Dougal18 (talk) 08:47, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—"Two notable sources" is enough, especially given the WP:COMMONSENSE of the context. Anwegmann (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The book is just stats so it isn't enough even if the Athletic Times article is sigcov. Dougal18 (talk) 08:48, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Plenty of good sources on internet. No question of notability. Meets WP:NFOOTBALL. WikiMentor01 (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:GNG and WP:NSPORTS – Both sources don't give significant coverage of the player. The book is simply a compilation of player statistics while the Athletic News source is simply a listing of all the birth places, names, roles, and heights of the players. Per WP:SPORTCRIT, All sports biographies, including those of subjects meeting any criteria listed below, must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. As stated above, none of the sources cited in the article contain significant coverage of the player. Searches on the British Newspaper Archive didn’t turn up any significant coverage of the player in question. There are some results about a "Richard Allsebrook" being in two road accidents in 1930 and 1932 but I'm not certain whether or not this is the same "Richard Allsebrook". This article states that "Richard Allsebrook" was 32 years old at the time of the accident (1930) and this article states he was 37 years old at the time of the accident (1934). If those sources are to be believed, "Richard Allsebrook" was either born in 1897/1898 and not in 1892 like the article states. So either these sources are talking about a different "Richard Allsebrook" or they’re all referring to the same person and we simply have contradictory information about his birth date. Lastly, WP:NFOOTY, a WikiProject advice page, clearly states that The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports), and is included below for information only as a record of the previous guidance that the Footy project came up with. Per the above, WP:NSPORTS is not met. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep nearly 100 appearances for one of the most pre-eminent teams in English football, player pre-dates the internet age by many decades? per WP:NEXIST offline sources.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Julie Swierot

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After defusing a couple WP:REFBOMBs, the notability of this young footballer didn't seem as clear. After a search, the most I found from third-party sources was this routine contract extension announcement and trivial mentions like 1. There is also a bit here, although it consists of quotes from the club's training center director. JTtheOG (talk) 19:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep :
- WP:FOOTYN :
- Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure.
- Have played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic, Continental or Intercontinental club competition.
- Swierot played for Lyon, winning the French Division 1 Championship in 2024, and with Reims. + UEFA Women's Under-17 Championship (which she won), UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship.
https://www.fff.fr/equipe-nationale/joueur/10490-swierot-julie/fiche.html

Third party sources

https://www.lunion.fr/id697342/article/2025-03-13/le-stade-de-reims-pourra-cette-fois-faire-jouer-julie-swierot-face-lolympique

https://www.leprogres.fr/sport/2024/08/02/ol-feminin-julie-swierot-prolonge-d-une-saison-et-est-pretee-a-reims

https://www.leprogres.fr/sport/2023/08/01/le-futur-de-l-ol-feminin-c-est-elles

https://africafootunited.com/transfert-f-lequipe-feminine-du-stade-de-reims-signe-marion-haelewyn-et-trois-autres-joueuses/

https://www.lyonfoot.com/article/6634/ol-feminin-julie-swierot-prolonge-d-un-an-et-file-en-pret-a-reims

https://www.olympique-et-lyonnais.com/mercato-swierot-prolongee-par-lol-feminin-puis-pretee-a-reims,336445.html

https://www.olympique-et-lyonnais.com/ol-academie-dix-jeunes-joueuses-ont-obtenu-leur-baccalaureat,334629.html

And I wonder how people feel about a user specifically targeting another user after a disagreement. Harassment, stalking. ProudWatermelon (talk) 21:55, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are all brief mentions or transfer reports, none of these are really helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 23:02, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Might meet notability requirements with the pro starts, but we need sourcing. Simply mentioning the person in a brief article less than a paragraph long isn't enough. I don't see sourcing we can use what's in the article is primary. The sources in the comment above are brief mentions or articles less than a paragraph long. It's likely TOOSOON for this young person. Oaktree b (talk) 23:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Summoning Govvy and BeanieFan11. Barr Theo (talk) 23:54, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Barr Theo. I see you are new to AfDs, and I'm sure this ping was done in good faith. Please note that you need to be very careful about pinging editors to a discussion. If it appears this is done to influence one side or another, it would be considered vote stacking. The active AfD participants will usually find their way to discussions they are interested in. If you need specific expertise, it is a good idea to explain why you are summoning that editor. E.g. because they speak a language used in the sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Barr Theo: You're free to ~~strikethrough~~ your own comment if you'd like, but please don't delete someone else's. I've restored Sirfurboy's comment. JTtheOG (talk) 03:45, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - "yes, there is longstanding consensus that scraping by on NFOOTBALL with one or two appearances is insufficient when GNG is failed so comprehensively - but there is a longstanding convention to allow young players/those with ongoing careers more leeway, and I think the same should be allowed here. He is 19, and more sources will be written in due course. If they are not or he never plays again etc. then delete at that point." Barr Theo (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't even got this person's gender right... Giant Snowman 01:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman: It's funny you say that, because I copied and pasted this comment from you (hence why I placed it under "quotations")... I found it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caden Tolentino from August 2021... I was trying to talk the way you guys do... Barr Theo (talk) 03:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You should not be blindly copying & pasting other editor's comments from unrelated AFDs, especially not ones that came before NFOOTBALL was abolished. Giant Snowman 00:53, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
or is it a double standard ProudWatermelon (talk) 06:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No Geschichte (talk) 20:23, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 01:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don Anding

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American former soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 22:25, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Some coverage: PennLive, Philly Inquirer, Patch.com. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:34, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- What's wrong with e.g. PennLive, which was 700 words on him? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Pinging @GiantSnowman: in case he did not see Beanie's comment. JTtheOG (talk) 09:30, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  PennLive is good - not enough on its own. Giant Snowman 12:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: At the very least, this should be redirected to All-time Philadelphia Union roster as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 02:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The Penn Live article mentioned above is all I can find as well, other than the team's website. I don't see enough sourcing to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 01:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ymer Abili

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Subject isn't notable other than the coverage he received for signing with Melbourne City. I think that this is a instance of WP:BLP1E and WP:TOOSOON. WormEater13 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support draftify as WP:ATD. There is some coverage, but only mentioning the fact that he is a young player making his debut in the Australian Cup. Svartner (talk) 03:59, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify I fully agree with the BLP1E, but I think that the subject also exhibits high potential for notability in the (somewhat) near future given his age. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 23:13, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree! However, this is a clear case of WP:TOOSOON. If/once the subject receives more coverage, an article about the subject would be justified. However, it's too early as of right now, and so deletion would be the best course of option. The article can be easily undeleted in the future. WormEater13 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - clearly has enough coverage, see e.g. SMH/The Roar etc. Giant Snowman 12:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per GiantSnowman. I agree that he has enough good sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - The coverage is not sufficient for GNG. There is a case that this will increase (although hard to be sure how soon), and the page creater is active and !voted here, so it seems unlikely it will be abandoned if sources arise. This seems like an acceptable ATD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:16, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, opinion is divided between Keep or Draftify.
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Draftify. I've removed the ref to theroar as it is clearly fan-written SPS. YOUNGATH sets a higher requirement for coverage than is supplied by SMH, and anyway that story appears to be BLP1E. If he garners more attention having now signed, the article can be moved back to mainspace. JoelleJay (talk) 23:54, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or Delete. The subject is notable for one event WP:BLP1E, and I couldn't find any coverage from 2023 to present. The subject may become noteworthy in the future, but as of now it seems WP:TOOSOON. 🌊PacificDepths^talk|contrib 12:13, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lucas Kubr

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Contested redirect without improvement. If WP:NFOOTY still applied, would meet that requirement, but searches did not turn up the type of in-depth coverage to show they meet WP:GNG, just stat pages. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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No opinion on whether he's notable, but @Onel5969: may I suggest that if you come across an active non-notable footballer, you take it to AFD or PROD rather than BLAR as you previously did here? Footballers often move between lots of teams, so redirecting it to the one the subject is at presently could quickly become outdated and incorrect. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:55, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per Das osmnezz sources. I couldn't see the paywalled ones, but the rest seem satisfactory to me. Svartner (talk) 23:33, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – The sources presented are primary sources, and he only played one match of professional level in Norway. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Plus twenty in the Czech second tier... FromCzech (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:09, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources below which (AGF) seemingly show notability. Giant Snowman 13:48, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Svartner:, @GiantSnowman:, @Clariniie: bruh I found [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], among many more Czech and Norwegiajn sources in a few mins. Young player with ongoing career and many sources and 20+ fully pro games. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - "Bruh?" You know Q+A interviews are not acceptable for passing GNG yet you insist on providing them as sources at AFD. In your "few mins" search you've managed to link the same an.no article twice. (BTW what's behind the paywall? Can you tell us what is contains?) Dougal18 (talk) 09:42, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't get past the paywall either, but the headline reads: "Tough months for Lucas (20). I don't blame anyone." The second heading reads "Lucas Kubr had to have ankle surgery last fall. Now he's getting better and better every day." So it looks like a mix of news reporting of the slow return to form of a player with an injury, and interview with him ("I don't blame anyone" clearly being his words). The source is primary on one count or the other. I don't see how that can be counted towards notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:32, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sirfurboy:, @Clariniie:, Idk how secondary coverage combined with interview would not count... using that black and white logic all newspaper/magazine interviews mixed with secondary coverage with anybody (like [17] or [18]) would not be counted towards anything... First source: ("Lucas Kubr is now showing it in Brno, where he found his first Czech contract at the age of 20 with second-league Zbrojovka. It came after a two-year stint in Norwegian Bodö/Glimt, for which he is grateful, but he did not want to be dragged off the substitutes' bench any longer... Both as a person and as a football player, Lucas Kubr grew up in the family of Prague native Martin Kubr in Belgium near Genk, in a region crazy about cycling... He didn't enjoy pedaling. But he was fascinated by football"), Second source: ("He is finally enjoying football again, and to a significant extent. Lucas Kubr desperately needed a lot of time on the pitch. After a season in which he played only a minimum of matches for the Norwegian team Bodo/Glimt, the left-back only welcomed the summer offer from Zbrojovka. He plays regularly for the Brno club, often in the starting lineup, and on Friday he even enjoyed his first goal in South Moravia against Slavia B. It was enough for a 1:1 draw. The 20-year-old player has mixed memories of his time at the elite Norwegian club. He gained valuable experience from an interesting destination, and at the beginning of last season it looked like he could make a significant impact. He started Bodo/Glimt's journey in the preliminary rounds of the European Conference League on the bench, from which he also watched the successful double match against Bohemians Prague, but that almost ended Kubra's anabasis in the first team. He only played in two cup matches, only collecting starts for the Norwegian club's reserve team. He welcomed his summer return to the Czech Republic, even though he is not currently experiencing many happy moments with Zbrojovka. The Brno team is still stuck in the relegation positions in the second league"), Third source just from the section without paywall: ("Grandma is from Palermo. Mom is Belgian, dad is from Prague, aunt is German. He was born near Genk, Belgium, and plays above the Arctic Circle in Norway... he rushed to Prague to visit his grandfather, who lives alone in a large house above Smíchov"), Fourth source: ("He lives an extraordinary life. With a Czech father, an Italian mother, a birthplace in Belgium, a current position in Norway beyond the Arctic Circle and a secret desire to become the new David Jurásek. Lucas Kubr (19), do you know him? The fast left-back from Bodo/Glimt was only recently discovered for domestic football by coach Radek Bejbl. The native of the Flemish city of Tongeren is an option for Jurásek's position in the newly formed U21 national team for Jan Suchopárek... Attention, a few days ago the youngster was close to being loaned out to the Czech league, according to iSport information specifically in České Budějovice. But the whole thing is said to have fallen through. It is still possible that the nice guy Lucas Kubr will arrive in the Czech Republic at the beginning of August with the Norwegian team for the rematch of the second preliminary round of the Conference League at Letná against Bohemians. Even if as a substitute"), and the fifth and sixth sources definitely have secondary coverage behind paywall. On top of this I can even find more sources and he will definiftely get more as his nascent pro and international career progresses. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:58, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The added sources are just match reporting and other primary reporting. For GNG we need multiple independent reliable secondary sources. We don't have those. I am a little troubled by a !vote that says "AGF seemingly show notability". At AfD we need to be discussing and reading the sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we need multiple secondary SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. Even just one provided is still too weak to establish notability. By the way, did you mean passing mention in match reports? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment. In answer to your question, it is passing anyway, but no - the problem is that even if you have a match report that has something that scrapes through SIGCOV by describing a good game that the player had, the account of the match is a primary source. Someone has watched the match and written down what they saw. The very definition of a primary source. Many people seem to assume that such accounts show notability (and such people have perhaps never !voted to delete an article in any AfD ever), but notability is shown when someone takes such accounts and writes a source that synthesises them to tell us something biographical of the player. For instance, if someone takes multiple accounts and describes how the player pioneered a new attack, or somesuch, then the synthesis and biographical account will be a secondary source demonstrating that the player is not just a player but a notable one. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See what I wrote above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 00:20, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This report includes detailed analysis of his background and movement between Norway and the Czech Republic. This short article gives details on his personal background. This article is an extended profile. Easily satisfies GNG/BIO. Also there is simply no community consensus that match reports can per se be discounted as "primary"; it is simply not that binary. A match report can contain all sorts of information referencing past match histories, player interactions, differences between matches in a current season, coach/player styles, coach/player development etc. A match report which contains detailed analysis of a particular player's contribution could well count *towards* notability. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Match reports certainly are, prima facie the epitome of primary sources. They are an eyewitness report of a match. Your point, I think, is that even primary sources may contain information that may be considered secondary, depending on the question asked. An example from an unrelated area: a PhD thesis is a primary source, but a thesis studying a school might contain historical background of the school culled from other sources, and that background might be secondary. That does not make the thesis a secondary source. But when I said the sources were match reporting and other primary reporting, I did not assert a "binary" at all. I specifically said that what I read was primary reporting. So, let's look at these.
- Your first example [19] is certainly match reporting from paragraph 4 onwards. Paragraph 1 is the writers introduction, includes a primary quote and a writers opinion "he enjoys football again". No secondary information. Paragraph 2 likewise. although "he gained valuable experience by..." is not about this match, it is the primary opinion of the writer, it is not a collation or analysis of any sources. Paragraph 3 likewise and has quotations from the subject, which are neither primary nor independent.
- Your second [20] is, as you say, very short. It also is evidently written from an interview response. I don't see how that can tell us anything about notability.
- I'll have to come back to source 3 and the four that Das osmnezz wants to discuss above as I am out of time. Potentially an extended profile is relevant, and is not just match reporting, but I'll note cautions that (1) it contains interview material - which does not preclude it being good, but must be considered appropriately per WP:IV (2) independence needs to be considered. What is the occasion of the document? (3) we need multiple sources.
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Comment "a PhD thesis is a primary source" - that statement does not reflect community consensus; WP:SCHOLARSHIP: as they are often, in part, primary sources. (my emphasis) In other words, not always and if so, partially. Thus, case by case analysis is required, which is my point above about match reports. Unfortunately, this is again a demonstration of turning elements of our guidelines into binary black and white frameworks. It denies that our guidelines are designed to have flexibility and not be absolute. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:00, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How you can read what I said and think I am asserting a "binary black and white" framework, when I very specifically made the point to say the opposite, is beyond me. I literally made the point that the research is a primary source for the research/thesis being defended, but contains secondary information if the question asked of the source is different. But if you think that an eye witness match report is not prima facie a primary source, then you have some more reading to do. If someone watches a match and writes about the match, then what they are writing is an eye witness account. Now to the sources I said I'd come back to, I'll look at Das osmnezz's 4 first, and then at the third of yours that I ran out of time for.
- First source: [21] This whole source is an interview. See WP:IV a person does not pass GNG if interviews are the only kind of sourcing they have. In particular, all statements an interviewee makes about themself in an interview are primary, and cannot be used towards GNG. This includes the interviewer's summary of their response as you have quoted here. N
- Second source: [22] This is a match report, a primary source. You argue that, nevertheless, there is secondary information, such as "He is finally enjoying football again." While it is true that this is not exactly a description of his performance on the field, what it is is an opinion of the person watching. That person is presenting the match report, and their opinion that he is enjoying football again, is the eyewitnesses opinion. This is still primary. It is the primary opinion of the reporter. It is not a synthesis or analysis of primary sources. It is their opinion based on what they saw. As a matter of historiography, this is all a primary source. It tells us about his performance in the match, it does not tell us about the notability of the subject. N
- Third Source: [23] - Again an interview. Now you pick up the statement "Grandma is from Palermo..." etc. These are statements of fact that can be safely used in an article, but it is clear that this was not researched by the interviewer from some primary source. The interviewer has asked the interviewee a question, and he said, in the course of his answer, that his grandma came from Palermo etc. The statement is reported as a fact, but the information has come directly from the subject during the interview. It is primary. It is probably reliable enough, but it tells us nothing about notability, as per WP:IV and P&G N
- Fourth Source: [24] - This is another interview and also cannot be used to establish notability. N
- "This article" source (the one I said I'd come back to): [25] This one has a write up about an upcoming match. The first thing to note is that the quotations from Kubr are primary regarding Kubr. That is, if he talks about himself, the information is primary. Halfway down the article, however, we get a little biographical detail - his Belgian/Czech story. This information clearly comes from him, but the occasion is what is important. Why are we getting his profile? The answer is simply that he is a new signing, about to get a start. It is a news story, but I do not believe this demonstrates notability. News reporting is primary, and although the background goes beyond the main news interest, the information presented has clearly been obtained from the subject themself in the course of an interview for the news story. I will, however, mark it as a ? because others might wish to make a case for it. That case would need to take the occasioning of the article seriously. If one were inclined to accept it, however, this would still be the only source we have. WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources, so we are still short of GNG here. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)
Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:48, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

as I have said before this is black and white thinking since this logic means that a ton of mixed interview and secondary reporting profile pieces for magazines websites and newspapers cannot contribute to Wikipedia biographies' notability which is absurd. Also secondary reporting alongside an interview somehow dosnt count but if another source uses said interview as a source it does count? Make that make sense... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:53, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is source analysis. If information comes from the horse's mouth, it is not independent of the horse. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12 and 15 look in my view, while 13 is partially paywalled. Yeah, I understand that IR SIGCOV might be sometimes difficult to find... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:32, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandar Gruber

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Footballer that fails WP:GNG, no sources beyond profiles and stats from databases. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 17:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: NOTSTATS Fails WP:NSPORTS. The notability criteria is more than a pseudo biography and not a resume. -- Otr500 (talk) 18:08, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep This guy played for fair sized clubs including Lech Poznań and a lot of football at that, he played at the top of his game and played European games. Playing football is not a NOTSTATS issue. I don't know how much media coverage he had in the countries he played for at the time, but I am betting on newspapers here. WP:OFFLINESOURCES. Yes there does seem to be coverage issue, but the internet at this time, is not at the same level on the region, it was still being built up in Serbia at that time. It doesn't help the fact he played during a time of strong geo-political issues in the region. So that might negate searches. I am going to assume good faith here for my weak keep. Govvy (talk) 10:58, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Govvy Боки 💬 📝 06:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:35, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Even though he played in smaller centers, he had spells at important clubs in those places, didn't he really find any WP:SIGCOV? Svartner (talk) 14:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AFD Patrol. While there is no clear consensus, the evident lack of SIGCOV is a strong policy-compliant argument. Spartathenian (talk) 19:34, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Table football (disambiguation)

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Unnecessary dab page. Nothing listed in this page with "Table football". Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 19:54, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is nothing ambiguous about this list of related variations on a concept. BD2412 T 01:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kinda keep Seems useful enough to me. Govvy (talk) 12:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a reasonable list of games that can be referred to as "table football." Frank Anchor 14:20, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Govvy, seems sensible and useful. Giant Snowman 17:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It is reasonable that someone could refer to any of these as table football. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This isn't a useful disambig. There's also Table football. -- mikeblas (talk) 03:09, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Only Penny football claims it's also referred to as table football, but the closest source doesn't support that. These entries should all go into Table football#See also. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:42, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The keep argument here appears to be that the list is "useful enough" or "reasonable", but those reasons don't comply with WP:DP. As explained at WP:DAB, a disambiguation page is used "when a potential article title is ambiguous", and not otherwise. In the same guideline, WP:PTM asserts that "a disambiguation page is not a search index", and links "should not be included... where there is no significant risk of confusion between them". Spartathenian (talk) 09:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I don't think this really ameliorates much confusion, and don't see indication that multiple of these topics are referred to as table football. I think the hatnote already present on the main page and its 'see also' section are sufficient here. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 16:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Changed my earlier comment, and now support deletion because the page entries are not disambiguations. Spartathenian (talk) 01:07, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ajdin Mujagić

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This Bosnian men's footballer had a short professional career before moving to the second tier of Croatian football. The closest source that is not a transfer announcement is SportSport, but it only mentions his name in title. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Per all above. Anwegmann (talk) 01:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Article has enough content and sources to be notable. Per WP:SPORTSPERSON the article has secondary sources that are independent to the subject to be presumed notable. They have also won the Bosonian Cup as well. Extensive research could have been done. Editz2341231 (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article has changed since the nomination, it would be useful if we could analyze the new sources. RossEvans19 (talk) 14:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, @Anwegmann:, per WP:HEY. Also I found [26], [27], [28], among many more Bosnian and Croatian sources. Has sources ongoing career and played 13 pro games for one of most historically successful Bosnian teams. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:31, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A couple of brief interviews does not indicate notability. We need better analysis of sources. Giant Snowman 13:48, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Anwegmann:, First source ("With Željezničar, he won the 2017/2018 BiH Cup, and for the 2022/2023 season he was chosen as the top scorer of the First League of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina with as many as 20 goals scored"), second source ("Ajdin Mujagić is the new gem of the youth team of FK železničar, who shone in full glory. In his debut for the first team of the Blues on Sunday, he scored his debut and thus definitely opened a new chapter in his career in an excellent way... He joined the first team at the invitation of coach Edis Mulalić, who knows him well from the junior team"), third source ("Ajdin Mujagić is celebrating in Croatia: He came off the bench and brought the autumn title... He was especially remembered in the FBiH First League, where he scored 44 goals and added 19 assists in 103 appearances. The episode in Zvijezda from Gradačac is especially memorable because in 31 games he scored as many as 22 goals and distributed 12 assists to his teammates"), among many more Bodnian and Coatian sources. Has sources ongoing career and played 13 pro games for one of most historically successful Bosnian teams who he won the Cup with. Also WP:HEY. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:11, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't copy/paste sentences between posts/arguments. (In this case: the " Has sources ongoing career and played 13...") This is one of the things you have been warned not to do. Geschichte (talk) 09:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Despite the added sources, they all appear to be WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, routine transfer coverage or other non-WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – WP:HEYed since the nomination. The sources provide sufficient coverage of the player's sports career, which is the information that is truly pertinent. Svartner (talk) 02:59, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yutaro Yoshino

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With 7 J3 appearances, [29], he doesn't seem notable, but as he played in Brazil briefly there may be stuff out there. RossEvans19 (talk) 13:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only consists of routine announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - Have fleshed out article with two in-depth articles detailing his time in Brazil, as well as multiple other smaller articles. Meets GNG. Zênite (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Oh wow, fantastic additions Zênite! I would be very happy to keep the article now after the WP:HEY. I can't speedy close this due to Clara's delete but I will ping @Clariniie: to ask her to look at it again :) RossEvans19 (talk) - 17:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources from Targma seem to have significant coverage: 2020 and 2024. I'm just not sure if the source is reliable. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One of these from Targma is one I independently thought worth further discussion, below. However no one has addressed the question of reliability. Isn't this primary reporting of team news? As it stands that is not a clear pass to me, but would be happy to have the discussion. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – I found this in Brazilian media [30], [31], basically talking about his signing by Sport Capixaba in 2016 and summarizing his time in Brazil. I don't know if it's enough, but it can certainly help. Svartner (talk) 05:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer announcements do not count as significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above which show (apparently - AGF!) notability. Giant Snowman 17:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Weak delete.. changed course here after more recent considerations and especially in light of Sirfurboy's comments and further source review. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be a chain of trust issue here if we say per the above editor, and that editor only says that sources "apparently" show notability. Are we reading the sources here? I haven't yet, but making this comment to request a relist since we are on day 7, and I would need some time to do so. On the face of it, the page looks reasonable, but a source review would be good. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it stands. I have now conducted my source review. We need significant coverage in multiple independent reliables secondary sources. There are 16 sources currently on the page, although, in fact, multiple articles from the same outlet will count as a single source for purposes of GNG. There are thus potentially 10 there. My source review looks at all 16, but treats like sources together. There are a couple that we could discuss further, but on the face of it, I am not certain we have any suitable sources and I am reasonably clear we don't have multiple sources. Source assessment:

1. & 14. [32] [33]- Primary / not independent -

2. [34] Listing, not SIGCOV. Primary?

3. [35] WP:SPS - blog. Not a WP:RS. Not SIGCOV - passing mention.

4. [36] - Interview. WP:PRIMARY per policy. Not independent.

5. [37] - This appears to speak about the subject, and have some relevant background, but it doesn’t look much like a reliable source. What is it?

6 & 7. [38], [39] - Club news is primary.

8, 10 & 11. [40] [41] [42]Reporting of team announcements - primary.

9. & 15. [43] [44] - Team reports are primary. The second of these (source 15) has more in depth information about the subject, although it is yielded from an interview and in a source that appears primary. I will mark it as a maybe, however, to indicate this is one we might discuss further.

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12, 13 [45] [46] - Team announcements - primary.

16. [47] - Reports an appointment - primary.

I will certainly consider a redirect as a WP:ATD - perhaps to a team? Or is he mentioned elsewhere? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:49, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources 6 and 7 are from GE (Grupo Globo), the largest sports portal in Brazil, so they are not primary. Svartner (talk) 14:57, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking. It is not the quality of the source that makes them primary, it is the content. I agree it is a good source, but they are primary because all they have is a brief news report about him joining the team. Source 6 has Tigre Linharense confirmed the arrival of 19-year-old Japanese midfielder Yutaro Yoshino, who is already with the rest of the squad finalising their pre-season in Atibaia, São Paulo. and nothing more. As well as being primary, of course, that is not SIGCOV, so either way it is out. Source 7 is fuller, with 3 paragraphs about the page subject arriving at the club. It doesn't actually tell us anything about the subject himself, but we are told he has arrived and will be playing on Wednesday. Also note that it says "Sport-ES received news..." So this is classic club news reporting. We are told a player has been signed, arrived and will play in the next match. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS: It is what is in the report that makes this primary. In any case, what could we use from that report to write the page? We cannot even say he did play on that date, because we only have this report that he was meant to. There is no secondary information about the player from which an encyclopaedic page could be written. 18:30, 18 April 2025 (UTC) Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:30, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These two sources perfectly cover his formative period in Brazilian football. The question is which sources cover the period of his return to Japan. Svartner (talk) 00:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources need to be secondary to count towards notability. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment – @Miminity: Maybe you can help with the Japanese sources. Svartner (talk) 22:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What I found on JP name search is just primary sources and bunch of routine coverage. Here is the profile on Ultra Soccer, Gekisaka. JP wiki has nothing worth mentioning. The portuguese sources are beyond my scope so I cannot vote. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:14, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per @Sirfurboy's analysis. #5 (COJB) appears to be a club he belonged to ("I hope this will be the case for Yoshino and the other members who have left COJB.") and is thus not independent. #15 (Tagma interview) appears to be hosted, SB Nation-style, on the fan "web magazine" for YSCC. I can't find any info on editorial control, but it seems to be a one-man operation from the articles I can find. Doubtful it is RS. JoelleJay (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per source analysis by Sirfurboy and JoelleJay. Of the sources listed, only #15 is possibly GNG-conforming (the reliability of the source is questionable though there is apparent significant, independent coverage). That alone wouldn't be enough to allow the subject pass GNG, which generally expects multiple references. Frank Anchor 20:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Frank Anchor. Even only one significant coverage provided is not enough to pass WP:GNG. Yes, only Source #15 contains WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:08, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - @Iljhgtn:, should still be a weak keep at least... Idk how [48] ("a graduate of YS Academy. His calm tone and smile give this impression. But people like this always have something burning inside them. He left his hometown of Yokohama and honed his skills in Brazil. The language and culture are different. He survived in a country with a completely different security situation. Behind his gentle expression is a strong, courageous man. A fan of professional wrestling. He is fluent in Portuguese"), [49] ("After graduating from junior high school, he learned the language while playing in Brazil. In 2022, while he was undergoing rehabilitation, he also served as an interpreter for Brazilian player Rizzi, who was a member of YSCC's futsal team"), [50], ("went to Brazil at the age of 15 and played there for about six and a half years, and then built a professional career in Japan"), [51], ("Yoshino, who joined YS Yokohama in 2020, played in seven league games that season, but did not play in 2021 or 2022") combined with sources about his inuries and signings do ot and pro appearances does noit meet critria. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed in the Lucas Kubr AfD that the issue of Q+A interviews has already been raised with you (apparently repeatedly). These are Q+A interviews, and cannot be used to establish notability per policy. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was told that Q&A interviews can be used on articles if there is large/significant independent analysis more than those. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The answer is too long and meta to be discussed here, but there is certainly more to be said. Guidance is at WP:IV. But in this case, all we have is primary information that is excluded per policy. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:38, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Idk how secondary coverage combined with interview would not count... using that black and white logic all newspaper/magazine interviews mixed with secondary coverage with anybody would not be counted towards anything... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 00:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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