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Portuguese exonyms

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Although the Portuguese article has lots of citations I am not sure that is enough to show notability on English Wikipedia Chidgk1 (talk) 11:56, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This is a particularly strong exonym page, although I was disappointed to see it lacked sections for Angola and Mozambique, which would likely serve a more encyclopedic purpose than France or Greece. The Portuguese Wikipedia references seem adequate to me to demonstrate notability. If consensus is keep, ping me and I will try to make some improvements to it in the next couple weeks. - Ike Lek (talk) 21:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As a prolific contributor to this article and a native speaker of European Portuguese, I have no reservations about writing the sections on Angola and Mozambique, with a view to enhancing the utility of the article. It is imperative to note that greater care will be exercised in the near future to ensure the inclusion of additional sources. Cantrusthestory (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTDICT: most exonym articles are indiscriminate lists of examples of the trivial and obvious fact that each language adapts foreign names to its own phonology and/or orthography. If such lists were confined to examples about which something more could be said, e.g. those that are unrelated to the endonym or distorted by false etymology, I'd say keep. —Tamfang (talk) 01:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree with our opinion. Individuals who do not possess proficiency in Portuguese will encounter significant challenges in adapting toponyms to the appropriate Portuguese phonology and orthography. Cantrusthestory (talk) 23:38, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then should en.wp include glossaries of everything that a learner of Portuguese might need to mention? —Tamfang (talk) 03:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete these exonym articles are generally not notable Metallurgist (talk) 21:52, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is a bold claim to make without providing any evidence or rationale to back it up. Ike Lek (talk) 22:13, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As a prolific contributor to this article and a specialist in linguistics, as well as a native European Portuguese speaker, I posit that articles of this nature are necessary on account of their educational value, cross-linguistic and cross-cultural navigation, and their potential to facilitate translation and multilingual writing. Moreover, they ensure searchability and disambiguation for those who wish to navigate not only any list of Portuguese exonyms, but also any other language, including even endangered languages. Cantrusthestory (talk) 23:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cantrusthestory Thanks for your expertise. Could you possibly add some citations to this article? Perhaps some of those on the Portuguese article. Nowadays most citations (except pdfs) can be easily added by using the “automatic” option in Visual Editor. If you have any difficulty with adding cites please ask or just add them in the right place in a rudimentary way and some helpful Wikignome will tidy them later. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - obviously WP:DICDEF is not a relevant policy as these are not dictionary definitions. There are plenty of references on pt.wiki, which would appear to be more than enough to satisfy WP:NLIST, happy to have a more forensic discussion of those if that's really necessary. RS on en.wiki do not have to be in English.JMWt (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 14:46, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Russian exonyms

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Might not be notable. Previous deletion discussions were not specific. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Exonym lists are only relevant for areas that the nation in question controlled at some point. What Russians call Jericho, however, is unencyclopedic trivia. Geschichte (talk) 19:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say that is the only time they are relevant, but I get the broad strokes. In that case, action should be taken to preserve the Azerbaijan section, as it is potentially useful. Ike Lek (talk) 20:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Geschichte, except that "controlled" is narrower than my (vague) criterion; I would allow Latin names for many places that were never in the Roman Empire, for example. —Tamfang (talk) 01:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I partially agree, but I disagree with the irrelevance of Jericho. In fact I would argue that for many languages the exonyms for places in the Holy Land are likely notable.

As for this specific list, a large part of it is merely transliterations and phonetically similar names. I would keep the list but trim it down to exonyms notable due to either a connection to the country or culture or due to being a significant departure from the native name (as one would point out, say, that the Italian name for Munich is Monaco di Baviera). Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 13:04, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No sources no justification. In most cases, you can just look at the other languages of an article to get exonyms. Metallurgist (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I enjoyed this nugget of trivia: Famagusta Famagusta (Фамагуста). Delete this, it has no need to be on an English encyclopedia. Oaktree b (talk) 16:00, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. With no !vote other than the nom after three weeks, and a page ineligible for soft-deletion, no action can be taken here. Owen× ☎ 17:13, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Serrano dialect

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I can't find any information about something specifically called the serrano dialect, either in English or in Spanish. "Serrano" in Spanish means "mountain range", so the term "dialecto serrano" is very generic, akin to "city slang". It does not seem to refer a specific dialect from a specific place. In fact, a quick Google search shows that many dialects have been called "dialecto serrano" in different Spanish speaking countries. It does not satisfy the notability requirements for a Wikipedia article. JohnMizuki (talk) 14:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'm sorry, but I felt obliged to deprod this. Proposed deletion is only for non-controversial topics, and other than politics and religion, nothing is more controversial that whether a certain dialect exists. I have No opinion on the subject. Bearian (talk) 02:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that I didn't claim the dialect doesn't exist. I stated that nothing SPECIFICALLY called "Serrano dialect" exists. Once again: the expression "dialecto serrano" in Spanish is a generic term, that has been used in different countries to refer to different dialects. It is the same as the expression "city slang". "Serrano" does not refer to a specific geographic location and is used to refer to any mountain range. This is equivalent to creating an article titled "city slang" that says that "city slang" is the dialect of the city of Paris. It makes no sense whatsoever. JohnMizuki (talk) 13:18, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to List of German names for places in Poland. I see clear consensus against keeping this as a standalone page, and broad support for a merge as an ATD. Owen× ☎ 14:32, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of German exonyms in the Greater Poland Voivodeship

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not notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into List of German names for places in Poland. Kiwipete (talk) 19:53, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like this merge could make more sense the other way around. Ike Lek (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Per consistent consensus in similar AfDs Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of European exonyms

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afrikaans exonyms Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukrainian exonyms These kinds of lists fail WP:NOTDICT and WP:NOTCATALOG. They are indiscriminate compilations of name variants without sufficient reliable secondary sources or encyclopedic context. Exonyms are language artifacts better suited for dictionaries or linguistic glossaries, not standalone encyclopedia entries. Cameremote (talk) @gonisulaimann 01:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Two out of the three AfDs you list as "consistent consensus" closed as no consensus. Ike Lek (talk) 06:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Can't even be merged because this is explicitly a sub-list of List of German names for places in Poland, which has sub-lists for all the other provinces except for one which was literally PROD'd 9 hours ago. At best, the full list could be arranged to be separated based on province, but there should not be separate sub-lists for the different provinces. Weirdguyz (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete. It seems that there might be a stronger argument that German language placenames are more notable in some parts of Poland than others due to the history. I think I see this in some references, but I don't have the knowledge to assess them. Even then, I suspect a rearrange/merge in context at List of German names for places in Poland makes more sense than repeating the same information over several other lists. JMWt (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
merge as above !Metallurgist (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian exonyms

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not notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTDICT: like most exonym articles, a boundless list of examples of the trivial and obvious fact that each language adapts foreign names to its own phonology and/or orthography. If such lists were confined to examples about which something more could be said, e.g. those that are unrelated to the endonym or distorted by false etymology, I'd say keep. —Tamfang (talk) 03:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: this is useful for a dictionary or language oriented site not for an encyclopedia. Llajwa (talk) 18:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails to meet encyclopedic standards per WP:NOTDICT; it's just a list of linguistic variants with minimal contextual value. There’s little encyclopedic content beyond raw listings, and prior consensus in similar AfDs (e.g., List of European exonyms) supports deletion of such indiscriminate compilations. Cameremote (talk) @gonisulaimann 01:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Romansh exonyms

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I searched but could not find enough good sources to show notability. No cites have been added since last year’s deletion discussion. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:45, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as an unsourced pile of original research. The only keep argument last time holds no water; I don't see what that UN page has to do with Romansh. Worse, this list currently contains obvious errors, such as the entry "Münstertal Val Müstair" linking to Taufers im Münstertal instead of Val Müstair...which is hardly an exonym. Same for Fuorn Pass, listed as "Pass dal Fuorn". I don't see how translations of "Herrschaft" can plausibly be called an exonym either. If I can find these issues with a cursory glance and little to no knowledge of the language, I can only imagine what a native speaker would find. Toadspike [Talk] 13:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- needs actual RS citations be added to be kept.Lorraine Crane (talk) 07:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luxembourgish exonyms

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Previous deletion discussion was not specific to this article. We don’t know whether AI which read this article take into account that it is unsourced, therefore rather than spreading possible misinformation it would be better to delete it. Because not all AI say they got their info from Wikipedia Chidgk1 (talk) 09:40, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTDICT: most exonym articles are indiscriminate lists of examples of the trivial and obvious fact that each language adapts foreign names to its own phonology and/or orthography. If there were something interesting to say about particular exonyms, especially those that are unrelated to the endonym or distorted by false etymology, I might say keep. —Tamfang (talk) 21:55, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete No notability demonstrated. 200.46.55.63 (talk) 00:18, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Croatian exonyms

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Previous deletion discussions were not specifically about this article. Discussion on the talk page shows this article may be misinformation or disinformation. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:34, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There's plenty of scholarly discussion on the subject, it just needs to be sourced. [1] [2] [3] [4] and this notes Croatian exonyms are not necessarily consistent, so I don't necessarily think the "disinformation" tag is correct. SportingFlyer T·C 11:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now added two sources to the page. SportingFlyer T·C 14:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTDICT. Like most such lists, it is a potentially endless collection of examples of the trivial and obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words, including names, to its own phonology and/or orthography. If it were confined to examples about which something more could be said, e.g. those unrelated to the endonym, or distorted by false etymology, I'd say keep it. —Tamfang (talk) 21:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument would imply every exonym article on the site should be deleted and ignores the fact this is a validly sourced list per WP:NLIST and the sources above, and ignores that there are several exonyms in the article, especially Italian ones but also Romanian and Turkish, which are unrelated to the endonym. SportingFlyer T·C 21:52, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So let the article concentrate on those, and annotate them, rather than burying them in the trivial. (Validly sourced trivia are still trivia.) (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS) —Tamfang (talk) 02:15, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So then the article shouldn't be deleted, then. SportingFlyer T·C 13:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not if it might hypothetically someday become worth keeping, right? —Tamfang (talk) 06:04, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First, notability is not based on the current content of the article - and as one of the Croatian sources notes, a foreign place name in Croatian that is the same as the foreign place name in a local language is still an exonym. Furthermore this isn't WP:NOTDICT - an easy way to figure out if that's true is if it should be on Wiktionary, which it shouldn't. This is valid reference information. SportingFlyer T·C 13:38, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What makes it notable? Why shouldn't it be on Wiktionary? —Tamfang (talk) 03:44, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that Croatian exonyms have been extensively covered by several academic researchers are what makes it notable, and it's not for Wiktionary because this is not the sort of reference information which would appear in a dictionary (and hence is not a dictionary definition of the term.) SportingFlyer T·C 16:55, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Several academic researchers have made bare lists? —Tamfang (talk) 01:41, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First off, plenty of academic researchers make bare lists, but that is beside the point. The question you are asking does not make sense. Wikipedia is not a direct copy of academic works, and lists can be compiled from multiple sources. Most lists on Wikipedia are not direct copies of a bare list, but a combination of information from multiple sources. The article is titled "Croatian exonyms" and SportingFlyer is claiming that several academic researchers have published work about the subject of Croatian exonyms. Issues with the current form of the article can be resolved through revision, but what you are saying now is no longer a coherent argument. Ike Lek (talk) 02:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not notable Metallurgist (talk) 20:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why, don't you like the sources which clearly cover this topic? SportingFlyer T·C 13:39, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Additional academic sources include [5] [6] [7] [8] (last one less on a list of exonyms and more of the importance of exonyms). This list clearly passes WP:NLIST and does not fail WP:NOTDICT. SportingFlyer T·C 20:42, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A quick glance at crude translations suggests that they support Exonym. —Tamfang (talk) 01:40, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – New sources provided could allow to the article to be more than an indiscriminate list. – Ike Lek (talk) 22:50, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Please ping me if you found new sources that offer SIGCOV, and want the article restored to draftspace to work on it. Owen× ☎ 14:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarian exonyms

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The link given in last year’s deletion discussion does not mention Bulgaria and no cites have been added to this article. In general articles should have at least 2 cites Chidgk1 (talk) 09:19, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTDICT: most exonym articles are indiscriminate lists of examples of the trivial and obvious fact that each language adapts foreign names to its own phonology and/or orthography. If there were something interesting to say about particular exonyms, particularly those that are unrelated to the endonym or distorted by false etymology, I might say keep. —Tamfang (talk) 21:52, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify-topic has potential, but lacking citations as it is. Tried searching for some. But have yet to find SIGCOV for the subject specifically.Lorraine Crane (talk) 07:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:45, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hindustani kinship terms

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Unnecessary as Wiktionary has Cat:ur:Family and Cat:hi:Family. Note that this is not the same as Chinese kinship or Irish kinship as it doesn't explain the system, rather simply lists various kinship terms which isn't really encyclopædic. "Hindustani kinship" would perhaps be an encyclopædic topic, but not this. — Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 11:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete clearly a piece of Hindustani-English dictrionary. The words re even not used inEnglish languge. 17:43, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
delete entries from dictionary. a few of which are incorrect/disputed. Many castes/regions find the terms like Baṛe Pāpā (बड़े पापा, بڑے پاپا) - One's father's elder brother highly offensive, and do not use them. They deny the terms are actually part of the "tradition", sourcing is not available for each term, making it original research. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 08:28, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Japan Association of Conference Interpreters

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Fails notability. I have found no reliable sources, and no significant coverage beyond their own website. PROD'd by LibStar but contested by an IP. Weirdguyz (talk) 12:42, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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What is required for sufficient notability? The organization is oeprated primarily in Japanese but has held activities outside of Japan.

Example:

https://www.middlebury.edu/institute/events/workshop-japan-association-conference-interpreters-jaci-02-27-2020

Referenced in an academic publication as well.

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9780429297878-16/conference-interpreting-japan-kayoko-takeda-kayo-matsushita 2404:7A80:3021:18F0:FC93:A514:9B96:4A9B (talk) 12:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Notability sets out the requirements for notability. Notability is not determined by the organisation itself but by the sources available for it. For a subject to be notable there must be significant coverage, which is reliable and independent of the source. Weirdguyz (talk) 13:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all the google news comes from https://www.middlebury.edu/ . Unless someone can find indepth coverage in Japanese, this fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 00:26, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Google throws up sources talking about the organisation, including this academic article https://incontextjournal.org/index.php/incontext/article/download/78/44 , this article about contests the organisation holds https://www.icu.ac.jp/en/news/2406281000.html , and this event advice company https://eventflare.io/expert-advice/tokyo/top-rated-translators-and-interpreters-in-tokyo-for-corporate-events , which seems like enough to go on with. I’m not going to put info from them into the article yet, because I’m getting a bit sick of fixing up articles just for them to be deleted anyway, but if the decision is Keep, I’ll come back and do it in a week or so. Absurdum4242 (talk) 10:55, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also. Can’t get access just now, but the academic publication that poster Starting 2404… etc, posted seems to be legit too, though I’d need to crack it open to be 100% sure. Absurdum4242 (talk) 10:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Eventflare article is definitely not reliable, being little more than a Listicle advertisement. The International Christian University article is dubiously reliable, and also is not SIGCOV for JACI itself, as it is about two students who received prizes from a JACI hosted competition. The Tsurata article comes the closest to being good, but I don't think two paragraphs is SIGCOV, and regardless Tsurata is not independent as she is also a member of JACI. Weirdguyz (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to check, why is it you think that the International Christian University article is of dubious reliability? Have they been doing some dodgy tabloid stuff I’m unaware of? Also, I can’t see how coverage of events held by an organisation, and other things an organisation does don’t count as SigCov?

As for the Tsurata article, which was published in a refereed academic journal I’ll note, while Tsurata is herself a member, she was not in this case speaking for the organisation, and is writing more generally about several organisations in the sector in Japan. Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the reliability of the ICU article, it's frankly the quality of the article which makes me doubt the reliability. Also, the reason it's not SIGCOV is there just isn't enough about the organisation. Sure, SIGCOV doesn't need to be the main focus of an article, but it needs to still be in-depth, which the ICU article isn't.

And regardless of whether she was speaking for the organisation or not, Tsurata is a member of JACI and is not independent when writing about it. Weirdguyz (talk) 22:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That…. Seems like a real stretch Re Tsurata’s independence. Are you suggesting Americans aren’t independent when talking about America? And doctors are independent when talking about medical bodies they belong to - the AMA say? Absurdum4242 (talk) 19:03, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am suggesting that a member of an organisation is not independent when writing about that organisation. Are you suggesting that Americans aren't independent when talking about America is an astonishingly vacuous argument. And yes, a doctor talking about a body they are a member of is similarly not independent. I think you are misunderstanding why I'm pointing these things out. WP:GNG specifically requires independent and reliable SIGCOV to establish notability. A source written by a member of an organisation cannot be used to establish notability for that organisation. Sure, you can carefully use that source for information within the article, but it is not independent and so does not contribute to notability. Weirdguyz (talk) 23:46, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete None of the linked sources provide independent SIGCOV. This organization does not seem notable. CarringtonMist (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for lack of notability. While I deeply appreciate Absurdum4242's search for additional sources, upon review, I find them unconvincing to establish notability under NCORP. Tsuruta 2024 may be the highest quality one, but two brief paragraphs of coverage in a 24 page-article in a single, new journal does not ultimately tip the scale. The Middlebury pages are entirely primary and therefore adds no weight. I find it unlikely that Takeda 2021 will provide SIGCOV. The ICU blog post is similarly primary. And the Eventflare listicle I discount for both SIGCOV and likely PRIMARY reasons. In conclusion, I do not find notability here. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 00:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Finnish exonyms for places in Norway

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Uncited and not notable. In the past 12 years an enormous amount of uncited info has been added to the internet. So at least we could delete some. Wikipedians opinion on uncited articles may have changed since the last discussion. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:52, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This should be considered alongside Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finnish exonyms for places in Norway: Finnmark (2nd nomination), since that article was split from this one. Where has WP:BEFORE been done? "...uncited info has been added to the internet [so] at least we could delete some" is not a valid reason for deletion; the issue is, do sources for this article exist? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:23, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The name is wrong, since the Finnish names are usually endonyms: either Forest Finnish or Kvenish origin. Purely Finnish exonyms can be found from Finnish exonym database. List of Kvenish names can be found from a database (see also the "about" page). Discussion about the place names can be found in this article in Kielikello (in Finnish), and this article (in Norwegian). Also here: Språkrådet. The official toponymic guidelines also discuss Kven names. The topic is notable, although there's not much of an article here, and it needs a better name. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some discussion about Forest Finnish names: https://kielikello.fi/kaskisuomalaisista-metsasuomalaisiksi/ Perhaps rename as ~~Kven and Finnish place names in Norway~~ Kven place names. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify my position here: I don't find a mere list of place names appropriate per WP:NOT (and WP:NOTDICT), but an article that discusses how those names emerged, their legal status etc. is fine. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 15:54, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: At least this one, unlike most exonym listicles, gives itself a boundary: those names authoritatively recognized, in a limited field. —Tamfang (talk) 02:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This isnt even an article in Finnish wiki, altho as above at least it is limited and grounded in a real world consideration. Metallurgist (talk) 21:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've expanded the article to focus exclusively on Kven place names, as that appears to be the best-documented topic. I'm not opposed to including information on Finnish exonyms or Forest Finnish place names, but for now I've left those out. I didn't make any changes to the list of place names, though I think it should be trimmed or at least organized according to some principle. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 21:26, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Very much a notable topic in connection to Norwegian language policy and Norwegianization, as the sources in the article show. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:31, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. The nomination rationale is not valid grounds for article deletion. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Slovene exonyms

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When I click the cite I get a warning that it may be a deceptive website Chidgk1 (talk) 11:03, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I replaced the link that generates a warning with a safe older archived version and added the official government source for these names. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:09, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added another reference from the corresponding article in Slovenian to demonstrate that this is an encyclopedic topic. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sole reason stated for deletion is apparently that an external link had expired, which is not a valid reason to delete an article. Doremo (talk) 14:31, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That does look like a procedural speedy keep. I look forward to the next nomination under WP:NOTDICT. —Tamfang (talk) 02:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep: Per WP:CSK#3, no accurate deletion rationale has been expressed. Let'srun (talk) 12:00, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:10, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish exonyms for places in Norway: Finnmark

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None of the people who voted keep 12 years ago have added any sources. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This should be considered alongside Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finnish exonyms for places in Norway (2nd nomination), since this article was split from that one. Where has WP:BEFORE been done? "None of the people who voted keep 12 years ago have added any sources." is not a valid reason for deletion; the issue is, do such sources exist? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:20, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete When skimming through this list I came across the clearly nonsensical "Korsonpuorrä". But neither Google nor Bing turn up any results for "Korsonpuorra" without the Ä at the end, which is what I assume was intended. So it seems like at the very least WP:TNT would indicate getting rid of this as at least some of the information just seems to be wrong. Stockhausenfan (talk) 11:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After a bit of a deeper look, it seems that the Kven name of the place is the more sensible Kursunpörä, and "Korsonpuorrä" is the Norwegian transcription of that name. Sensible in Kven, that is, as the Standard Finnish form of this would presumably be "Kursunperä". I.e. it looks like the page is mixing up three different languages - Norwegian, Kven and Finnish. Stockhausenfan (talk) 11:56, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOT. This is just a listing of names from a geographical database. The reader would be better served by a link to https://www.kvenskestedsnavn.no and a real article which gives some background, and that should be the main article Finnish exonyms for places in Norway. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – !voting keep does not obligate anyone to add sources. !voting doesn't obligate anyone to do anything. The biggest issue with the page is actually that it doesn't differentiate between Finnish and Kven.

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:36, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

University of Edinburgh School of Philosophy, Psychology and Language Sciences

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No independent RS on the page. Nothing to suggest this university department has independent notability outwith of University of Edinburgh JMWt (talk) 13:57, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete/Merge Not notable for a standalone article and relevant content on its existence can be merged/added to the main university article. Coldupnorth (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree that it should be deleted. Lilith 908 (talk) 22:09, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lacking third party sources to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 01:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 02:28, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Slovak exonyms (Vojvodina)

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Not notable Chidgk1 (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – page serves a useful navigational purpose. Ike Lek (talk) 05:39, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks like this was created by some one (likely) from that region in 2009 as a niche curiosity, but the notability on here is questionable. Slovak wikipedia would be a good location. They also created Rusyn exonyms (Vojvodina) and Romanian exonyms (Vojvodina), which should have the same fate. Metallurgist (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have to agree, Slovak Wikipedia should be the location for this, not English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameremote (talk • contribs) 00:57, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. With two of the Keep participants withdrawing their !vote since the last relist, I now see a consensus to delete the list. Any editor is welcome to recreate the page as a redirect to List of placenames in Vojvodina in different languages, List of cities, towns and villages in Vojvodina, or any appropriate page. Ping me if you need the deleted history for a possible merge. Owen× ☎ 15:04, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of former Serbian exonyms in Vojvodina

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Normally at least 2 cites are needed to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 15:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak ~~Keep~~ - This does seem marginally useful, although admitted only in very niche situations. I sampled a few of the pages, and most reiterate the information on the list, which generally satisfies the need for citing that they meet inclusion criteria. Could be a helpful page when doing research, especially using older sources. – Ike Lek (talk) 05:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep a Google Scholar search shows this is a topic even in English, see [9]. SportingFlyer T·C 11:33, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also the nominator is mistaken. An article can be notable with zero citations. It will need to be improved, yes, but notability is not based on the current state of the article but rather the topic as a whole. SportingFlyer T·C 11:34, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst this is true, we are supposed to be assessing the likelihood that sources exist which oftentimes is a judgment call. !keep voters often argue that sources exist on very old unsourced pages, not always with much evidence. JMWt (talk) 12:03, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that still needs to be done as a result of a BEFORE search, not just AfDing an article based on its state. SportingFlyer T·C 12:38, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ (striking as agree with the good work and sensible suggestion below) - per WP:NLIST One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. Whilst this can be difficult to assess for non-English topics, I highly doubt that they don't exist given the region and language. I agree with SportingFlyer that the paper "THE USE OF MULTILINGUAL PLACE NAMES IN VOJVODINA, SERBIA" in the publication offered above is a decent introduction to the topic and that there are other sources referenced there which could be used as citations for this page. JMWt (talk) 12:13, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As an even more niche version of Serbian exyonms which was deleted (for reasons of WP:NOT rather than notability) at AfD. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely because it is more niche is why it might be more encyclopedic. Ike Lek (talk) 22:32, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Thought I voted on this already, but it seems extremely specific. Serbian exonyms is already gone. Metallurgist (talk) 23:28, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why would we have deleted Serbian exonyms? SportingFlyer T·C 13:12, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
see WP:Articles for deletion/Serbian exonyms. JMWt (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That seems crazy to me, but I wasn't able to quickly identify that Serbian sources on the topic. It was easier to find sources for this topic. SportingFlyer T·C 20:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was one of the people who supported deletion of the main Serbian exonyms article. This one is different because it is specific to a notable subset and not an indiscriminate list. Ike Lek (talk) 19:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My view is that lists of exonyms which are referenced and make sense should be kept. There's a historical logic why certain places have exonyms in certain languages. I can't see what the content was of the other page that was deleted at AfD, but to me the one we are discussing here has a clear logic as to why there are many Serbian exonyms in the area. I'm not even sure I would have !voted !delete for the Serbian exonyms article and am considering DRV as it doesn't feel like the sources were discussed there in much detail. JMWt (talk) 20:08, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If memory serves, the page was mostly or entirely unsourced. This one has more potential to be encyclopedic. Ike Lek (talk) 20:28, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As discussed multiple times daily, the point is not about sources on the page but whether they likely exist. It would be a perverse outcome if this was kept whilst the other was deleted because sources for this article are clearly also sources for the other. JMWt (talk) 20:38, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you not want to keep this article? I do support keeping this article. Ike Lek (talk) 20:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If seen as a "List of former Serbian exonyms in Vojvodina", this list is, well ... Something got lost in translation there. The following is a random sampling:
Bački Brestovac and Brestovac are equally Serbian names. Banatski Brestovac also allegedly had the "Serbian exonym" Brestovac. These are just two villages originally named Brestovac, one located in Bačka (a historical region partially within Vojvodina; matching adjective: Bački) and the other one in Banat (same as prev.; matching adjective: Banatski). Over time, due to administrative/record-keeping reasons, their official names were differentiated per region. Both villages have been inhabited by Serbs since before their names were "expanded". No exonyms involved.
Some of the names may be former official names but still see some use, for example Nadrljan for Adorjan. Legitimately few Serbs have ever lived in Adorjan and we could be speaking of an exonym candidate here. But, as I said, the name Nadrljan still sees live use: proof. So it cannot be a "former Serbian exonym". That would rather be an "unofficial (still somewhat used) Serbian not-quite-exonym".
Gomboš (listed on the right side) is alleged to be the Serbian name, but it is the Hungarian name, whereas Bogojevo (listed on the left side) is the Serbian name. But, Gombos is the currently official (not former anything of any kind—PDF of a provincial government gazette—Ctrl+F: Gombos) Hungarian name for Bogojevo. The only thing that makes this non-Serbian name "Serbian" is the Serbian spelling "Gomboš". But everything is spelled phonetically in Serbian. I can take a Lao village in Laos that was never mentioned by any Serbian speaker in history and transcribe it into Serbian. So what? It would still be the native Lao name and not an exonym. By the same standard, Adorjan (current official name spelled like that in Serbian and spelled Adorján in Hungarian ... yes, your eyes are straining) would be a "Serbian exonym".
Lazarfeld (listed on the right side), what to say... The village was founded by German colonists, who named it Lazarfeld (yes, they named it after the "Serbian exonym" from the future I guess) after a certain local Armenian man named Lazar, adding -feld to his name, as typical of German-settler placenames. It's a German name through and through.
These are not Serbian-language exonyms, and often they are not exonyms in any group-location relationship. What this list would seem to be is a linguistically irrelevant (no linguistic criterion) collection of certain older placenames collected from 18th and 19th century sources written in Serbian. So the list selection criteria here would ostensibly (read further) be "The names of various towns and villages of Vojvodina that one author encountered during their study of 18th- and 19th-century history of Vojvodina".
But, finally, I have access to this source, and I can't verify that this list exists in it. I have the first edition from 1961 in PDF, but I also have the table of contents of the second edition (link) and it is the same as the contents of the first edition, and it would seem that this is original research! Booo—Alalch E. 03:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's a lot to read, but I appreciate the thoroughness. Maybe a better idea would be to expand the tables in List of cities, towns and villages in Vojvodina to include the different language names of various settlements. Vojvodina, being a very multiethnic part of Serbia, has a lot of language diversity. If very few of the list entries are true exonyms, and the ones that are true exonyms are still in use, then it might make sense to just include the different language names in List of cities, towns and villages in Vojvodina. I'd be willing to work on that if you had any suggestions for good sources to use. Ike Lek (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
this seems to me to be a good way forward. If the list is OR and misleading then that's a good reason for delete. If useful parts of the content can be kept elsewhere, that's even better. JMWt (talk) 05:23, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I invite both of you to look at Special:Permalink/1301115984 (those are current official names in different languages with official status, for those places that have an official minority language name designation). Here, in this process, however, it's time to agree to delete this fake "List of former Serbian exonyms in Vojvodina" page that is nominated for deletion because it's originally researched nonsense as I have explained. —Alalch E. 05:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with your understanding of the situation. There are many dialects in the region and Vojvodina has several different dialects - there is not just one Serbian language, and . Furthermore there's no list, but we can clearly see from this book [10] that different names of towns have changed over time. It's also worth noting the region was a frontier and was settled by different groups of people. I'm not a very fast reader in Cyrillic, so I can't speak to exactly what's going on here, but Petrovac, for instance, was a Slovak centre in the region. And Knićanin was Rudolfsgrad for a couple years after it was founded, showing that it was likely an actual exonym. It's a bit difficult, but I do think there's something notable here, especially given the history of Vojvodina. SportingFlyer T·C 08:54, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with your understanding of the situation. There are many dialects in the region and Vojvodina has several different dialects - there is not just one Serbian language—you didn't say anything with this. Does not interact with anything I said, and no argument is included. There are multiple languages in the region first of all, starkly different languages. Hungarian isn't even in the same language family as the rest. Serbian is a Slavic language. Romanian is a Romance language. German is a Germanic language... And what about it? Who's questioning that? There are dialects of some of those languages involved too, but why even mention dialects? It doesn't seem like you have an idea of what you're talking about. Just pointing that out to you.
Rudolfsgnad is on the right side of the list, a purported Serbian exonym. But Rudolfsgnad is the native German name. It's like saying London (sr:London) is a Serbian exonym. An example of a Serbian exonym is sr:Rim for Rome. Not Rudolfsgnad for Rudolfsgnad! It is a German native name. Shortly after the territory Rudolfsgnad lies within became a part of the Serb-dominated kingdom, the name was officially changed to Knićanin, and Knićanin is the last name of Stevan Knićanin, again, an endonym. Serbs had lived there by that time and adopted "Knićanin" as the native name.
If tou want a list of "Historical place names in Vojvodina" great, create the article. This isn't it. This is nothing, it's nonsense. —Alalch E. 09:44, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
London is a Serbian exonym for London. It just happens to be that the exonym matches the English name for the place.

Your language family analogy doesn't make much sense regarding the notability of the list. Šumadija–Vojvodina dialect is a specific dialect of Serbian. During the time of settlement, many of these speakers didn't necessarily live in the region. I also need to say you're getting close to commenting on me, not on the content of the article.

It's also not nonsense - it appears to be an overlap of exonyms and historical place names, like Vojvodina. Furthermore, if you have a PDF copy of the book, it would be helpful to post a link so we can all have a look. SportingFlyer T·C 09:57, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
London is a Serbian exonym for London. Come on... I can't read further than that. —Alalch E. 10:09, 18 July 2025 (UTC) . . . I've read it. I didn't make an analogy, I was telling you that you are talking about some dialects yet do not even know what you are talking about, as the languages are very different and are not dialects of one another. Just a way to illustrate to you how you lack the faintest idea about the relevant concepts. About downloading the book, I potentially should not post the link because of WP:COPYVIOEL. —Alalch E. 10:11, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about right now either, apart from the fact you're directly attacking me. Taking a closer look, this page was translated into the Serbian, and looking at it more closely, the Serbian page does not mention exonyms. The Serbian page this is based on is titled "Bivši srpski nazivi za naselja u Vojvodini," or Former Serbian names for settlements in Vojvodina, Serbian meaning the language. Some of these would have been exonyms at the time. Some of them may have been exonyms in different dialects of Serbo-Croatian, but that's not clear here. If this is a list of former Serbian names of settlements in Vojvodina, I think that passes NLIST even more clearly, and just needs to be renamed. SportingFlyer T·C 20:44, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not supported by the source. Some of those names are Serbian some are not. The source does not list "Serbian names", it lists "Names". The subject of the source is not "Serbian colonization", it is colonization, and great many towns and villages are listed at the end, not looking anything like this Wikipedia list. The Wikipedia editor who created this page picked those names that are connected to extant placenames and named those non-extant placenames "Serbian". The book is not about "Serbian names" and the word "exonym" does not appear in the book. Preposterous original research. It is NOT a list of former Serbian names of settlements in Vojvodina. —Alalch E. 01:57, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The source would not mention Serbian because the language would be obvious, though. It's also not original research as the other source shows. Also the fact you can't even point to where a copy of the source might exist is frustrating. SportingFlyer T·C 16:52, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The opposite is obvious. Also, what you say is not original research is in fact original research, and the "other source" shows nothing of the sort. To go back to my Lazarfeld example, in a chapter discussing German colonization of Syrmia it is stated that "Lazarfeld — today Lazarevo" is a German settlement. The original researcher takes this and says "a-ha, Lazarfeld is a former Serbian-language exonym", a statement that is not included in the book. When the writer wants to make a statement about the language dimension of the toponymy, he is explicit; for example:
Prvo slovačko naselje evangeličke veroispovesti u Banatu nalazilo se blizu Modoša, - Slovanski Bardan /Pordanj pre turske okupacije; po srpskom izgovoru Pardanj/.
transl. The first Slovak settlement of the Evangelical confession in the Banat was located near Modoš — Slovanski Bardan /Pordanj before the Turkish occupation; in Serbian pronunciation Pardanj/.

So when it is a Serbian name (Pardanj), this is explicitly indicated, and Slovanski Bardan must be inferred to be the Slovak name. Naturally, and obviously (contrarily to what you baselessly named obvious), when using non-Serbian names, the author does not specify "this is an [X other language] name", because which language is concerned is contextually tied to which ethnic group is discussed—here, the Slovaks. Also, what you say is frustrating is not at all frustrating. —Alalch E. 02:21, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent argument until the last sentence, which just comes across needlessly rude. I assume this is due to some language barrier. What people find frustrating is subjective. Ike Lek (talk) 04:05, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very comfortable not violating WP:COPYVIOEL and I deny anyone's feelings of frustration over that. I also properly formatted the reference and added the COBISS link which includes the table of contents.—Alalch E. 04:10, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you aren't in the wrong for not linking it. You didn't do anything wrong there. You did enough for them to be able to find it.

However you shouldn't deny their feeling of frustration. It weakens your argument by making you sound needlessly unkind. You could always say "I'm sorry you find that frustrating, but I am not going to violate WP:COPYVIOEL" or just not respond to that part.

This is getting off topic though. I already struck my vote, and I think the table you made better fills the roll this article is attempting to. Ike Lek (talk) 05:07, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do think the title of this article may be a language issue, as it is the same as a Serbian article, but I still don't know why the actual data is an issue here. SportingFlyer T·C 08:08, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Alalch E says above I have access to this source, and I can't verify that this list exists in it. But WP:NLIST doesn't say that the source has to include the list or all items in the list per: The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual entries in the list do not need to be independently notable. I don't read the language of the source, but if it states that places exist that have alternative names in Serbian, that would appear to be a sign of notability even though it didn't publish the placenames or all of the placenames. JMWt (talk) 09:08, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is getting ridiculous and tendentious. —Alalch E. 09:21, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? It's a notability guideline and we are discussing whether the topic meets it. There's nothing "tendentious" I can see, particularly given that I've already agreed with you that OR content should be removed. JMWt (talk) 09:24, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have just explained above that this is originally researched nonsense with plenty well-argued and nicely put together examples. I'm not going to blank the page during an AfD. That is what removing OR content would be. There is no topic to speak of, the topic is a concoction. A topic of a Wikipedia list about Vojvodina place names in history could, for example, be: "List of former place names in Vojvodina" or "List of name changes of cities, towns and villages of Vojvodina". A member of Category:Lists of former place names. And this is not it. This is a fake "former Serbian exonyms in Vojvodina" nothing. I have determined that the criterion is not that they are Serbian, it is not that they exonyms, and some of the right side entries are current official names in the language that they exist in. The book does not support the statements "X place name is a (1) former (2) Serbian (3) exonym of Y". A "List of former place names in Vojvodina" would not be based on that template statement at all, but would be a list of former place names, i.e., it would be based on the statement "When X settlement was founded its name was A, then it changed to B, then it changed to C, and, in parallel, potentially, in a different language it was A*, then it changed to B*, and in yet a third relevant language for the region during a given period it was A**, etc." And maybe, m a y b e would it make sense to analyze some of those names as exonyms. —Alalch E. 10:08, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not nonsense, though. It's becoming more evident this is a list of former names of settlements in Vojvodina, possibly from a mistranslation. Some of them may have been exonyms at one point. SportingFlyer T·C 20:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not only are many of them not exonyms; many of them are not former names, and are actually currently used and officially recognized. Ike Lek (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would be helpful if you could give a couple examples. SportingFlyer T·C 20:52, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alalch E. already gave the examples of Nadrljan for Adorjan, and Gomboš being both not Serbian and currently used. Ike Lek (talk) 20:57, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gomboš isn't currently used, though - Gombos is, the š letter is not used in Hungarian, so the Gomboš would have been a Serbian name (and potentially an exonym.) And, despite the usage in a single article, Nadrljan is a former name according to the Serbian Encyclopedia: [11] The Serbian name was Nadrljan. This genealogy website says it was the name until 1978 along with listing many other former names: [12] which is also confirmed by the census [13]. So it's not incorrect to say it's a former name. SportingFlyer T·C 22:17, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Maybe the page does have usefulness, but it is absolutely titled incorrectly at the very least. Especially because not all of the former names are from Serbian. Ike Lek (talk) 22:45, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now created List of placenames in Vojvodina in different languages, and while the book is going to be useful, I find the Wikipedia list that purports to cite the book and is the subject of this AfD not to be useful. —Alalch E. 02:54, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Every name of a Chinese city is a Serbian name because there's no Chinese characters in Serbian. —Alalch E. 02:14, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not quite true. Every Chinese city in Serbian is a Serbian exonym, even if it is exactly transliterated. Every language must figure out how to transliterate foreign place names into their own language - the most recent one I can remember reading about was how to spell and pronounce Qatar in Croatian language after the 2016 Water Polo finals and extending into the World Cup. SportingFlyer T·C 07:32, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - just to clarify in my own mind, @Alalch E.: are you saying that your main objections are a) the list includes words that are not uniquely Serbian and b) that the places are not exonyms? @SportingFlyer: what's the issue with a merge to the list page started by Alalch E. List of placenames in Vojvodina in different languages? I'm not understanding why this disagreement is continuing. JMWt (talk) 12:49, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. I see no P&G-based arguments for retention. Owen× ☎ 16:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Azerbaijani exonyms

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Perhaps this should be moved to Azerbaijani Wikipedia as it would be more notable there? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:23, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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there is a lot of sources about it

https://nlevshits.com/dokument-centralnogo-ispolnitelnogo-komiteta-sssr-i-bjuro-nkvd-1936-goda-o-pereimenovanii-v-transkripciju-togo-vremeni-gruzinskih-gorodov/ Документ Центрального исполнительного комитета СССР и бюро НКВД 1936 года о переименовании в транскрипцию того времени грузинских городов
Абастумани // Большая российская энциклопедия. 1. М: Большая Российская энциклопедия. С. Л. Кравец. 2005. 10. ISBN 5-85270-329-X.
Дманиси // Азәрбајҹан Совет Енсиклопедијасы: [10 ҹилддә]. IIIҹилд: Гајыбов—Елдаров. Бакы: Азәрбајҹан Совет Енсиклопедијасынын Баш Редаксијасы. Баш редактор: Ҹ. Б. Гулијев. 1979. С. 488
Borçalı toponimləri. Müəlliflər: Mədəd Çobanov və Müşfiq Çobanlı; Elmi redaktorlar: f. e. d. Tofiq Əhmədov, f. e. d. Buludxan Xəlilov, f. e. d. Şurəddin Məmmədli. Əlavələr olunmuş və yenidən işlənmiş dördüncü nəşr. Bakı: "Borçalı" nəşriyyatı, 2012
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/community.33004082.pdf?refreqid=fastly-default%3Aa9f389e963a7aab2bad03f525118baf6&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&origin=&initiator=search-results&acceptTC=1 Azərbaycan Qəzeti, 1918, 34-cü nömrə
https://az.wikisource.org/wiki/Qarabağnamə/Yeddinci_fəsil
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/community.33004082.pdf?refreqid=fastly-default%3Aa9f389e963a7aab2bad03f525118baf6&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&origin=&initiator=search-results&acceptTC=1 Azərbaycan Qəzeti, 1918, 34-cü nömrə
Ағбулаг // Азәрбајҹан Совет Енсиклопедијасы: [10 ҹилддә]. IXҹилд: Спутник—Фронтон. Бакы: Азәрбајҹан Совет Енсиклопедијасынын Баш Редаксијасы. Баш редактор: Ҹ. Б. Гулијев. 1986. С. 216.

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Delete per WP:NOTDICT: most exonym articles are indiscriminate lists of examples of the trivial and obvious fact that each language adapts foreign names to its own phonology and/or orthography. If there were something interesting to say about particular exonyms, particularly those that are unrelated to the endonym, that would be another matter. —Tamfang (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Tamfang. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 05:54, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP I am interested why some users trying to delete only turkic/muslim articles while there are a lot of similar pages in other languages. SEE: Template:Exonyms per language. For example they deleted already ONLY Turkish exonyms, and now trying do delete ONLY Azerbaijani exonyms Sebirkhan (talk) 15:04, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This has nothing to do with religion - I am interested mostly in the country I live in and nearby countries Chidgk1 (talk) 16:34, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why then, using the same logic, didn't you mark articles like the following for deletion: Slovak exonyms, Croatian exonyms, Bulgarian exonyms etc Sebirkhan (talk) 19:37, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebirkhan, they are. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 18:48, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hate to break it to you, but User:Chidgk1 has been on a crusade against all exonym lists for the past couple weeks. I tend to side with keeping them, but they can get to be a bit useless sometimes, making their pruning an important part of maintaining Wikipedia. Ike Lek (talk) 05:53, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Turkic languages like Dutch, Lithuanian, Chinese, Serbian, Slovene. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. In March 2024 there was an attempt to delete all of them, which failed as too sweeping. —Tamfang (talk) 01:19, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sebirkhan As not all the exonyms listed are English how about you keep it by translating it to Azerbaijani Wikipedia? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment, the Azerbaijani Wikipedia does not have this article, but there is a similar one: az:Köhnə Azərbaycan ekzonimlərinin siyahısı (list of old Azerbaijani exonyms).

It is based only on historical data and names that were used back when the Azerbaijani language used Arabic script.

But the article "Azerbaijani exonyms" is not relevant to Azerbaijani Wikipedia, since some names on the Azerbaijani Wikipedia are already written in Azerbaijani way, for example, İrevan instead of Yerevan. I mean that the article Azerbaijani exonyms, which exists on the English Wikipedia, is more relevant for those who do not know the Azerbaijani language and do not use the Azerbaijani Wikipedia.

and since the Azerbaijani article az:Köhnə Azərbaycan ekzonimlərinin siyahısı (list of old Azerbaijani exonyms) is based on historical data of only the Azerbaijani language, it does not contain many names that came from other Turkic languages, which are relevant for Siberia, Balkans, China, etc. which are exist in English article Azerbaijani Exonyms Sebirkhan (talk) 22:01, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, unfortunately this does not make much sense, since the Azerbaijani Wikipedia would already use the Azerbaijani names. They are more likely to have a list of English-language exonyms, for example. Ike Lek (talk) 23:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Increasingly coming to the view that most of these exonym lists arent notable on EN. Metallurgist (talk) 21:18, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 03:33, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Visual Language Interpreters of Canada

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Declined prod. The added source is just a 1 quote from the president of CASLI. Fails WP:ORG for lack of SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I greatly improved the article. This association is the national, non-profit certifying body for professional American Sign Language-English, Quebec Sign Language-French interpreters in Canada. It's been active since 1979 and provides a crucial service which is notable. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 17:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
3 of the added sources are its own website and primary. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Providing a "crucial service" is not a criterion for notability. LibStar (talk) 11:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Significant coverage has now been demonstrated spanning roughly four and a half decades, from publications across the country. This organization is a clear GNG pass, and more sources are likely to be found from here. MediaKyle (talk) 17:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: to assess source depth and independence
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Comment A look at some of the sources. This one, this and this include a 1 line mentions and are not SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 06:36, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This one merely confirms that Ontario Association of Sign Language Interpreters supports CASLI members. LibStar (talk) 06:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did you look at the ones under Further reading? -- MediaKyle (talk) 10:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — Hmm, seems Alright for a separate page unless disproven. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain your vote "seems Alright". You don't seem to have addressed sourcing concerns. LibStar (talk) 23:42, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - the article has been sufficiently improved and expanded. Eulersidentity (talk) 23:44, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Just wanted to highlight how far this article has come... Compare it now to when it was prodded here. Personally I think at this point it's on the nominator to tell us why all those new sources aren't sufficient. MediaKyle (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per MediaKyle.

I have also added further sources, where the organisation is discussed at length:

Janzen, Terry; Korpiniski, Donna (2005-10-26), Janzen, Terry (ed.), "Ethics and professionalism in interpreting", Benjamins Translation Library, vol. 63, Amsterdam: John Benjamins Publishing Company, pp. 165–199, doi:10.1075/btl.63.11jan, ISBN 978-90-272-1669-4

Russell, Debra; Malcolm, Karen (2009-10-22), Angelelli, Claudia V.; Jacobson, Holly E. (eds.),

"Assessing ASL-English interpreters: The Canadian model of national certification"

,

American Translators Association Scholarly Monograph Series

, vol. XIV, Amsterdam: John Benjamins Publishing Company, pp. 331–376,

doi

:

10.1075/ata.xiv.15rus

,

ISBN

978-90-272-3190-1

Russell, Debra (2019).

"International perspectives and practices in healthcare interpreting with sign language interpreters: How does Canada compare?"

. In Meng, Ji; Taibi, Mustapha; Crezee, Ineke H. M. (eds.).

Multicultural Health Translation, Interpreting and Communication

(1st ed.). London: Routledge.

ISSN

1543-0375

.

Article meets SIG:COV. SDGB1217 (talk) 12:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I am counting 4 !keep votes above. I think this is a clear case of WP:HEY m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 00:24, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here's a source analysis based on current state of article. Source 1 is its own website and primary. Source 2 appears to be a directory listing. Source 3 is a statement from the president of CASLI but does not seem to be actual coverage of CASLI. Sources 4 and 5, I need a page number to verify coverage and see actual text. Sources 7 and 8, need to see actual text quoted in this article about CASLI. Source 9 is not SIGCOV. Source 10 merely confirms OASLI is a member of CASLI. Source 11 is a 1 line mention of CASLI and not SIGCOV. On the basis of this I don't support keep. LibStar (talk) 00:36, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like you've cherry picked the primary sources out of this article and entirely disregarded the depth of academic coverage. How about these sources?
- Humphrey, Janice H. (1995). So You Want to Be an Interpreter: An Introduction to Sign Language Interpreting. H & H Publishing Company. p. 96. ISBN 978-0-9640-3673-4. Retrieved 17 July 2025 – via Archive.org. - This book features an entire section on the association beginning on page 96, section titled "The Establishment of the Association of Visual Language Interpreters of Canada"
- Stewart, David A.; Schein, Jerome D.; Cartwright, Brenda E. (1998). Sign Language Interpreting: Exploring Its Art and Science. Boston, MA: Allyn & Bacon. ISBN 0-2052-7540-0. Retrieved 17 July 2025 – via Archive.org. - This book covers the association in-depth throughout, with particular detail starting on page 18, section titled "Association of Visual Language Interpreters of Canada (AVLIC)"
- Snoddon, Kristin; Wilkinson, Erin (2022). "The institutionalization of sign language interpreting and COVID-19 briefings in Canada". Translation & Interpreting Studies. 17 (3). American Translation & Interpreting Studies Association: 359–380. doi:10.1075/tis.21005.sno. - This article provides some actually quite critical scholarly analysis of the Association and their membership practices.
- Daly, Brad; Chovaz, Cathy J. (2020). "Secondary Traumatic Stress: Effects on the Professional Quality of Life of Sign Language Interpreters". American Annals of the Deaf. 165 (3): 353–367. ISSN 1543-0375. - This article covers the mental health issues facing CASLI interpreters, and provides commentary on the lack of support provided by the association and ways it could be improved.
Why are we only talking about the primary sources here? -- MediaKyle (talk) 00:52, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't cherry pick, I find that accusation offensive. I did ask for more information like page numbers and actual text that I couldn't verify. LibStar (talk) 00:54, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The only primary sources are from the CASLI website. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per MediaKyle. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per improvements made to the article and though primary sources cannot be used per se for notability, it otherwise stands, and primary sources can be used otherwise if independently notable. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are clearly sources beyond just primary, so per MediaKyle, again this is a keep. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:54, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. asilvering (talk) 02:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lithuanian exonyms

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Perhaps should be moved to Lithuanian WP as I don’t see how it is notable on enwiki Chidgk1 (talk) 12:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Wikipedia is not a lithuanian dictionary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikedelis (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this meets the notability requirements of WP:NLIST.

Also, there is ample precedent for this type of article; we have 63 of these articles per Category:Lists of exonyms.--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 19:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. An attempt to delete all of them, in March 2024, was rejected as too sweeping (some of them, e.g. Chinese exonyms and Arabic exonyms, are less WP:DICT than others). —Tamfang (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources ... Is that it? Are Lithuanian exonyms, in contrast to exonyms-in-general, discussed collectively by independent reliable sources? Does "discussion" mean more than recognition of a well-defined (though trivial) set? —Tamfang (talk) 02:32, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - Per policy, deleting this is absolutely appropriate, but why bother? There's no way for it to be promotional or COI, and it isn't misinformation. The way I see it, someone took the time to make this page because they thought it could be useful to someone, and it could be. Why get rid of that? Ike Lek (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I struggle to follow the logic in saying that, according to policy, deletion is absolutely appropriate - the corollary to which is that the article should not exist - but then say (paraphrasing) someone took the time to make it, and it could be useful, so why get rid of it? Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Weirdguyz (talk) 17:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This should be moved to the Lithuanian wiki instead. Does not serve a purpose here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameremote (talk • contribs) 00:49, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:21, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dutch exonyms

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Previous discussions don’t seem to be specific to this article - talk page says it is rubbish Chidgk1 (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Wikipedia is not a dutch dictionary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikedelis (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this meets the notability requirements of WP:NLIST.

Also, there is ample precedent for this type of article; we have 63 of these articles per Category:Lists of exonyms.--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 19:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. An attempt to delete all of them, a year or two ago, was rejected as too sweeping (some of them, particularly Arabic exonyms, are less WP:DICT than others). —Tamfang (talk) 19:16, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - What's the harm in having it?

Ike Lek (talk) 01:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the harm in having a list of Dutch words for spices or bird species or truck engine parts? —Tamfang (talk) 03:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I keep thinking back to this, and honestly, I don't know. Maybe those could exist? Not as stand alone lists, but Dutch names for birds could be an article that includes a list. Ike Lek (talk) 20:37, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOHARM. LibStar (talk) 02:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ike Lek (talk) 02:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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' Delete Not really notable on English Wikipedia. Metallurgist (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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As with the other noms: Keep - obviously WP:DICDEF is not a relevant policy as these are not dictionary definitions. There are plenty of references on nl.wiki, which would appear to be more than enough to satisfy WP:NLIST, happy to have a more forensic discussion of those if that's really necessary. RS on en.wiki do not have to be in English JMWt (talk) 18:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well-referenced trivia are still trivia. —Tamfang (talk) 03:52, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Which specific part of WP:NOTEVERYTHING are you claiming this page violates? JMWt (talk) 07:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTDICTIONARY, WP:NOTDIRECTORY —Tamfang (talk) 01:40, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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