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Gaylor (theory)

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The subject and content of the article is infringing on BLP policies, with citations of more inferior sources than reliable sources. The article is mostly, if not entirely WP:FANCRUFT. This topic is already covered appropriately in the Swifties article in its own section, without superfluous stories and fancruft-y details. ℛonherry☘ 13:33, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Villanos (band)

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Fails WP:NBAND; lacks WP:SIGCOV in independent sources. I found only this source with SIGCOV. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 12:46, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Artificial Waves

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Fails WP:BAND. I couldn't find any SIGCOV in independent sources (both in English and Russian). —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 11:33, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Oliver Knight

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Not significantly covered in reliable sources. BEFORE searches only turned up results for unrelated people that also happened to be called “Oliver Knight”, not this person. This article is also quite problematic for a BLP (large amount of unsourced info, unsourced quotations, etc.) ApexParagon (talk) 03:41, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning towards Keep. A quick search identified several reliable sources covering the subject, his collaborations and his solo works. I have added several of these citations to the article. Article needs work but AfD is not cleanup. ResonantDis_tortion 12:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tunde Olaniran

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Fails WP:SINGER. Subject does not meet the criteria for notability in music as they do not have any charting music releases, notable award wins/nominations, music releases on a major record label, etc. Sackkid (talk) 21:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:MUSICBIO#1 coverage including [1], [2],[3], [4], and [5]. ResonantDis_tortion 08:26, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ry Armstrong

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Ry Armstrong doesn't seem to have any significant coverage as either an actor or as a politician. Two of their three roles were uncredited and the third, in The Gilded Age, was for an unnamed side-character. As a politician, Armstrong lost a primary election for Seattle City Council by a wide margin (they only received 1.86%) and is a candidate for mayor of the city. As of today, Armstrong is currently has 1/3 of the fundraising as the top two candidates and has not been included in any polls. I've gone ahead and reviewed a good portion of the sources below, with the other half being almost entirely self published or very minor coverage.

Source assessment table prepared by User:Microplastic Consumer
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.outfrontmagazine.com/meet-genderqueer-gilded-age-actor-ry-armstrong/	Interview	Out Front is a decently reputable magazine, suitable for LGBTQ+ topics	Interview with the subject about their role in The Gilded Age (TV series) as an unnamed character	✘ No
https://playbill.com/article/neglect-by-the-gilded-ages-ry-armstrong-begins-performances-october-11			One paragraph about a performance of a play being announced	✘ No
https://playbill.com/article/calling-all-broadway-devotees-join-a-guinness-world-record-attempt-by-singing-the-greatest-showman	Seems a bit promotional, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt		Subject is only given a passing mention as an organizer	✘ No
https://playbill.com/article/the-gilded-ages-ry-armstrong-to-debut-new-play-neglect			Only a single paragraph with no plot summary	✘ No
https://www.thestranger.com/elections-2023/2023/03/13/78895136/drama-kid-ry-armstrong-wants-your-vote-in-district-3	~ Based off of an interview, but written by a journalist	The Stranger is reliable for Seattle City Politics	~ Routine campaign coverage but does go in-depth on the subject	~ Partial
https://www.thestranger.com/news/2025/03/18/79972532/ry-armstrong-wants-bruce-harrells-job	~ Based off of an interview, but written by a journalist	The Stranger is reliable for Seattle City Politics	~ Could be argued as routine campaign coverage, but does go in-depth on subject	~ Partial
https://www.bothell-reporter.com/life/kenmore-native-creates-album-featuring-broadway-stars-for-a-good-cause/	~ Based off of an interview, but written by a journalist	Local Newspaper	Seems sort of promotional and the coverage is very local	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Microplastic Consumer (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete— Per the original nominator. There doesn't seem to be enough coverage to meet GNG, and I don't think their entering political races every few years without lasting coverage counts towards that.

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Sinai 48

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Fifteen years after being tagged for possible COI, this article still has not a single proper reference showing notability independent of the notability of certain members, and there does not appear to be one to be found. BD2412 T 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Samuel Hudson (musician)

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, is solely dependent upon primary sources. Dan arndt (talk) 09:54, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. There are a few mentions ([6], [7], [8]) but lacks significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Good nom. 38.85.166.137 (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sy Smith

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Fails WP:SINGER. While this person has a Emmy Award nomination for a song back in 2002, that can slight notoriety can be merged with the movie Dancing in September of which the song is featured in. Aside from that, they have no major award wins as SoulTracks is not considered a major award. They have any notable charting songs. "Gladly" barely made into the top 100 of the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart in 1999 and "Fly Away with Me" supposedly charted on the Adult R&B Songs chart but they have no other charting entries. They do not have two or more musical releases on a major record label. Most of the sources are store links (Amazon), blog links (SoulTracks), social media/personal links (Twitter or personal website newsletters), and expired links. In closing, their reason for notability leans more on number 10 of the Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. Sackkid (talk) 03:09, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep While the article could use some tidying up, that is not grounds for deletion. Smith meets WP:BASIC with coverage in multiple reliable sources. Also, her work has been reviewed by Billboard, Ebony, Essence. Her regular appearances on American Idol was in a 2007 news article that was widely published (cited as ref #14). DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:17, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't see anything on Essence.com that mentions Sy Smith. The only results are for Sy'rai Smith, a completely different person. She has not been featured on Ebony magazine either. And mentions in Billboard magazine were for the then-upcoming album on Hollywood Records which did not chart. "Her regular appearances on American Idol was in a 2007 news article that was widely published", the article simply states that she was one of the background singers for the American Idol house band. She was not participant as a contestant on the show. Sackkid (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For American Idol, I did not say she was a contestant. The news article contributes to WP:BASIC because it was an article that was primarily about Smith and the other backup singers. The reviews from for Ebony and Essence are: Ebony: Sounding off Norment, Lynn. Ebony; Houston Vol. 55, Iss. 5, (Mar 2000): 28. ProQuest 232564109; and Essence: Girls of summer, Hill, James; Gordy, Cynthia. Essence; New York Vol. 36, Iss. 4, (Aug 2005): 108. ProQuest 223151742 DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - in agreement with the above voter. The article can be expanded with additional sources that are easily found, particularly at her album articles. Her early-2000s albums were frequently reviewed by reliable sources such as Billboard, SoulTracks, and NuSoul and those reviews can be mined for more biographical info about her career. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:12, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. SoulTracks and NuSoul are not considered reliable sources by Wikipedia. Also please see the above comment. Sackkid (talk) 21:57, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. 149.115.90.236 (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The amount of WP:RS WP:SIGCOV is sufficient to meet WP:GNG WP:NOTABILITY requirements for inclusion. The nature of coverage passes the WP:SIGCOV threshold, so the case cannot be made that coverage is WP:TRIVIAL or WP:ROUTINE, since it is significant and demonstrates WP:IMPACT, therefore justifying a standalone article. I also find that available sources are reliable and independent, removing any concerns about WP:PROMO. Since the subject is notable, WP:NOTABILITY criteria per WP:GNG are met. ZachH007 (talk) 20:57, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please make sure that you are not falling under Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. If you are saying there are sources, provide them. Otherwise, you are falling under WP:MUSTBESOURCES. Sackkid (talk) 22:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There appear to be many secondary sources; such as [9], [10] and [11], that the subject meets WP:MUSICBIO#1 and WP:BASIC.ResonantDis_tortion 08:18, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as DaffodilOcean added enough references to the article to clear GNG. References that contribute include [12], [13] & [14] in Billboard (need Proquest access), and [15]. Nnev66 (talk) 12:26, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elvish Yadav

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His win in a reality show (Bigg Boss OTT 2) and some online controversies have received temporary media attention, but these do not amount to the kind of sustained, independent coverage needed to demonstrate long-term wiki article. The article also leans promotional in tone, with excessive detail on YouTube milestones and trivial career facts, which goes against WP:NOT and WP:BLP. Being internet famous is not inherently equivalent to being notable by Wiki. BharatGanguly (talk) 08:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I agree with the nominatior that his career is smaller than the controversy section. And doesn’t pass notability. But the given sources suggest he received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources which compound to Wp:GNG. I believe the sources should be checked carefully and evaluated if they really are reliable sources or just puff pieces and. wp:CHURNALISM and Wp:QUESTIONABLE. Zuck28 (talk) 08:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Upon observing this article, I'm not confident about the article blog-style reporting & entertainment coverage lacking editorial oversight. Well, per WP:NYOUTUBER, mere social media popularity and viral fame is insufficient. Notability come from lasting, third-party recognition in RS which is absent here. This is a clear case of WP:NOTPROMO. Chronos.Zx (talk) 08:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom and comment above. Media Mender 📬✍🏻 10:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is (unfortunately) a close call because he has received a fair amount of media coverage but for all the wrong reasons. As said by folks above, more significant coverage of his "career" is needed per WP:NYOUTUBER, while the reports he received for various acts of shameless self-promotional desperation are numerous but largely WP:CHURNALISM. Gotta admit that he knows how to get fleeting mentions of his name in the tabloids though. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there is significant coverage in multiple reliable sources already in the article about his youtube channels and winning an Indian version of Big Brother. Editors probably sympathetic to him have repeatedly tried to remove the controversy section so I suspect the deletion of this article would aid that censorship attempt, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep easily passes WP:GNG. The amount of coverage is too huge to justify even the AfD, let alone deleting the article. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 08:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - Many reliable sources have provided him significant coverage. International sources like The Independent have also covered him.[16] I am totally surprised over this AfD. Agletarang (talk) 15:06, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shania Yan

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Subject doesn't meet WP:SINGER criteria. I cannot find multiple independent, credible sources on the web. I began trying to remove obviously-bad sources but reverted when I realized I would have stripped the article of basically all citations and I wasn't having luck finding better ones. The sources in the article appear to be promotional articles and almost all of them do not actually match the statements they're supporting:

Article Text	Source
Details about her family and early education remain private, as she prefers to keep her personal life out of the public eye	Blog post which does not match what it's supporting in the article, appears to be AI
Her content often draws inspiration from anime and video games like Genshin Impact, reflecting her personal interests	Blog post which does not match what it's supporting in the article, appears to be AI
"Her Instagram account, also under @shaniayanofc, has over 2 million followers, where she shares selfies and career-related content"	Two sources: beacons.ai marketing platform, and myCast which is user-generated content

I'm unable to find credible, independent sources in my Googling. The only thing that comes close is the paper listed as a source in the article. While articles generated through AI are not (to my knowledge) automatic candidates for AfD, it's still worth mentioning that the article itself appears to be mostly just that, and some of the sources' URLs show very clearly that the editor arrived there by ChatGPT (https://beacons.ai/i/blog/shania-yan-bio?utm_source=chatgpt.com). I don't believe this meets notability per WP:SINGER, and if it does meet notability, I'm not sure how we're going to replace the bad sources if independent, credible ones do not exist. —tony^{st (talk)} 18:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Yes I agree that major revisions are needed in this article, but I definitely do think the subject of the article is notable. There is also a peer reviewed article on her song : https://jurnal.masoemuniversity.ac.id/index.php/englishpedagogy/article/view/677 Yes, most of the current content are unsourced because some are from primary sources, but those can be improved. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 21:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiz Ofuasia

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I haven't found any references which aren't directly linked to the subject or YouTube-type releases of his work; without anything to back it up, his notability must be brought into question ~ Lindsay^Hello 07:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Based solely on self-published sources. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 07:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Dance Brigade

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Can't find any sources to indicate this band are noteworthy, coverage seems to be limited to sites such as Bandcamp. Search results are primarily for an event called Dance Brigade of no relation. KaisaL (talk) 05:59, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Soulbizness

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Seems to be a band of low importance with the only reference being to some sort of minor local competition they won. Previous AFD received no comments and so was closed due to lack of discussion. KaisaL (talk) 22:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I was not able to locate anything to indicate this band passes WP:MUSICBIO. Rift (talk) 23:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete- I found some mentions in Portuguese papers via PressReader, but nothing that looks in-depth, it's mostly listing them out with other performers at xyz festival. And popularity does not equal notability but their Spotify stats don't give me a strong feeling that there must be some inaccessible or offline sigcov. Zzz plant (talk) 03:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sanjoy

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Cannot find any evidence of notability. Refs are non existent. Page is also written very promotionally Taksoh17 (talk) 21:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:V - between a 404 page for Billboards, and unreliable and sketchy sources, nothing has been verified. Also, producers are so common that we rarely keep them after AfD. Bearian (talk) 03:40, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Umair (music producer)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. At first glance there appears to be significant coverage but looking closer you will see that most are not bylined, are from unreliable sources, or just routine coverage or mentions. CNMall41 (talk) 17:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Umair meets WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. His 2024 album Rockstar Without a Guitar peaked at #8 on Spotify Pakistan and was featured in Genius Community’s 25 Best Albums of 2024 (ThePrint). His single “Asli Hai” topped YouTube Pakistan charts (Music Metrics Vault). Covered by reliable sources like Samaa TV, ThePrint, Wordplay Magazine, and Itz Hip Hop. Producer for notable duo Young Stunners. Meets NMUSIC via charting work, media coverage, and national significance.

— Behappyyar (talk) 15:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NMUSICIAN would not be met based on charting. Spotify and YouTube are not acceptable under WP:CHART. Also, being a producer for someone notable does not come with inherent notability. Can you address the non-bylined references? Do you feel these are reliable and if so how? For WP:GNG, you are also cited press releases above which can never be used for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41 While it’s true that WP:CHART places limits on YouTube/Spotify data for standalone notability, those indicators support broader cultural relevance under WP:NMUSIC#1 and WP:GNG. Chart placements help demonstrate impact in the absence of traditional charts in South Asia, where mainstream media often lags behind independent or digital-first musicians.

Regarding sources:

Samaa TV and ThePrint are independent, professional outlets with editorial oversight and journalistic standards. These are not self-published or fan-driven and are widely accepted as RS in other music-related AfDs.
The Itz Hip Hop review is bylined and analytical, not promotional; it contains critical assessment of Umair’s production and album structure.
The Wordplay Magazine article, while regional, is independent and contains critical evaluation — see similar RS used in AfDs for artists in UK/India-Pak context.

I accept that the ANI press release cannot count toward WP:GNG, but it was cited for factual support of chart placements, not to satisfy notability directly.

Notability isn’t only about headlining credits. Umair is the primary producer behind Rebirth and Open Letter, two of the most discussed hip-hop albums in Pakistan — both critically reviewed in RS and recognized in independent retrospectives. His influence is creative and structural, meeting WP:NMUSIC#2 (“significant contribution to the work of others that is covered in reliable sources”).

On balance, the article meets WP:GNG through multiple independent sources with critical commentary, and WP:NMUSIC through documented production of notable albums and influence on Pakistan’s hip-hop scene.

— Behappyyar (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Playing a major role in major works proves notability. Could you give more info on the part he played and on the notability of those albums? — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not to forget: Talha Anjum's most famous song Kaun Talha? in which he diss an Indian rapper Naezy was produced by Umair. ^[1] Behappyyar (talk) 15:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@(Itzcuauhtli11) He served as the lead producer and co-composer on both Rebirth (2017) and Open Letter (2023), two landmark Urdu hip-hop albums in Pakistan.

On Rebirth, Umair produced all 15 tracks for Young Stunners, a duo considered foundational to Pakistani rap. The album is credited with shaping the Urdu hip-hop scene and received wide media attention from outlets like SAMAA TV.^[2]

For Open Letter, he was again the key producer, collaborating with Talha Anjum and international names such as KRSNA. The album was reviewed independently and discussed critically within South Asian music forums.^[3]^[4]

These albums are not just popular but culturally significant, marking key points in the evolution of Pakistani hip-hop. Umair’s complete production involvement and critical coverage of these albums demonstrate a major creative role in notable works, satisfying WP:NMUSIC#2 and strengthening his case under WP:GNG. ^[5]

References

^ "Indian rapper asks 'Talha Kaun?', Talha Anjum responds with a brutal diss track". Images.Dawn.com. Dawn Media Group. 21 May 2025. Retrieved 23 May 2025.
^ "Young Stunners' new Album Rebirth is a must listen". Samaa TV.
^ "Open Letter - Talha Anjum [Album Review]".
^ "Open Letter Talha Anjum's album blend of hip-hop and Urdu poetry".
^ "Umair and Jokhay The man behind the rise of Talha Anjum amd Talha Younas".

There is a huge WP:WALLOFTEXT so I will only be addressing some of the main points. I wouldn't consider Young Stunners even notable despite having a Wikipedia page (that one needs to go to AfD as well). A single collaboration with a rapper is not something that gains inherent notability. Everything else is more of an WP:ILIKEIT argument. As far as the "landmark" albums you speak of, I would guess they would have enough coverage to warrant a Wikipedia page since they are landmark, yet I do not see it. Fact is, the coverage has some mentions, routine announcements, and unreliable sources (even a publication that is reliable like Dawn can have specific articles considered unreliable - see WP:NEWSORGINDIA). The rest of what you cited is not reliable (two blogs and Reddit?). If this artist was truly worthy of notice (a requirement of notability), there would be more than blog posts and promotional churnalism. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CNMall41 This isn’t WP:ILIKEIT—his notability stems from his influence on multiple notable works. While some early coverage may be light or promotional, there is independent, reliable coverage (e.g., SAMAA TV, The Express Tribune, and Dawn articles/interviews) highlighting Umair’s production role. [17]. Behappyyar (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The comment proves what I have been saying. You cite this which is a routine announcement and not-bylined. It is not reliable for the purpose of establishing notability. It is the same concept as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Finally, please do not cite interviews anymore. They are not independent and cannot be used to establish notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The link i have shared Umair slides into Genius Top Albums of the Year is not a routine announcement. It highlights Umair’s recognition by Genius alongside global artists like Beyoncé. This editorial coverage by a reliable source (The Express Tribune) goes beyond routine mentions and supports notability per WP:GNG. Behappyyar (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already stated numerous times. It is NOT BYLINED and falls under similar concerns as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Articles published under "news desk" or "webdesk" have consistently found to be unreliable for notability purposes as they are promotional churnalism, not something in-depth written by a journalist. Please see WP:CIR. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marthe De Pillecyn (K3)

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No indication of standalone notability outside band. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 06:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - She was already subjected to an AfD back in 2015 and the verdict then was to redirect to her group. The current article's non-compliant title indicates that the creator either ignored that outcome or is unfamiliar with the process. Also note that her groupmates have their own articles, perhaps creating the impression that Marthe deserves one too. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to K3 (group). Except for some minor tabloid chatter about her personal life, she has no notable accomplishments or coverage outside the group, and she can be (and already is) introduced there. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to K3 (group): Not notable by her own. No need for an article of herself. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tamara Schlesinger

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nn musicial. Tagged for notability for 10 years already. Music on self label. Sources I see only interviews (maybe I am lazy, but failed to find independent coverage). --Altenmann >talk 03:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No significant notability/coverage in media. JohnMizuki (talk) 07:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is a little confusing because she promotes herself both as MALKA and as Tamara Schlesinger. Either way, self-promotions are all I can find and she has not received any significant coverage from the reliable music media. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Ghorbani

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Attempted to draftify but OP recreated it in mainspace. It was noted this was the "english" version so I looked at Wikidata and it appears there is a mass posting campaign across many languages. CNMall41 (talk) 21:37, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Simonna

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Promotional autobiography for notable actor and singer. None of here roles are good for NACTOR. No sign of any charting/gold/rotation/major awards for her music. Her Eurovision participation was only in qualifying, she did not make it to Eurovision. No major awards. Lacks coverage about her in independent reliable sources. (Whilst I call it an autobiography, multiple people (including her) are using the one account that contributed much of the content) duffbeerforme (talk) 08:51, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Paradox (American band)

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Non-notable band. None of the sources cited motions anything related to the band. Mekomo (talk) 07:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The deletion rationale appears to misinterpret or overlook the references.
Keep – The article meets the requirements of WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. The band has received significant, non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent sources, including Billboard, Kerrang!, Paste Magazine, Idobi, Alternative Press, and TheTellTaleMind. These sources discuss the band’s music, live performances (such as When We Were Young Fest), and rising popularity, making them clearly applicable. The assertion that "none of the sources mention the band" is incorrect. Accordingly, the article satisfies the notability criteria for bands and musicians. Wq4m820 (talk) 12:39, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wq4m820, the URLS are incorrect. They lead to landing pages rather than content about the band. JSFarman (talk) 00:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I initially supported keeping the article. Upon review of the sources, I now understand the deletion rationale. Wq4m820 (talk) 01:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wq4m820, you're the one who created the article. I'm confused as to why you didn't realize that the sources that you yourself added were fake. According to your talk page, there are several other articles in your draft space which are also suspected of being generated by an LLM. What's the deal? Rift (talk) 00:48, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No evidence this band passes WP:NMUSIC. Looks like the page creator removed all the (hallucinated/fake) sources, but I don't see anything else out there to suggest notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Article was sourced with fake links, which have now been removed. I did find a writeup on the website of a Florida radio station, but this alone is insufficient to establish notability. Rift (talk) 23:24, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Rift. 'Keep' vote from page creator is concerning. C 679 07:51, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No notability. No SIGCOV in RS. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because disastrous editing by Wq4m820 made the article irredeemable. Among others, Kerrang has not written that the band was reminiscient of the Warped Tour era. Geschichte (talk) 09:11, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dada KD

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. He has literally no coverage outside of his death, with nothing about his music career save for the usual streaming sites. Non-notable discography and award from 21 years ago. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 14:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. "Literally no coverage" - a simple search of YouTube will confirm that there are many examples of his work there across various of the platform's member accounts. There are admittedly very few independent biographies by reliable music websites (mainly by app platforms as mentioned), but that is not the be-all and end-all as regards latent notability. In all, there are indicators that this artist may be as valid a candidate for an article as many thousands of others who plied their trade in such a comparatively minority music genre and were successful in not getting deleted. All the current article lacks is expansion in both form and fine detail, and that would be down to interested editors to tackle. Ref ^(chew)(do) 15:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

I oppose the deletion of this article. The claim that Dada KD “fails WP:NMUSIC” and has “literally no coverage outside of his death” is inaccurate and overlooks notable independent coverage of his contributions to Ghanaian highlife music. Dada KD has maintained a multi-decade career in the Ghanaian music industry, a recognized genre with cultural significance in West Africa.

Notability and Coverage

Dada KD has been covered in multiple reliable, independent sources, not limited to his death. Examples include:

ModernGhana: We Are Tourism Ambassadors Without Portfolio – Dada KD
GhanaWeb: Ghanaians love funeral and love songs – Dada KD
Graphic Online: Creative people are dying of poverty – Dada KD
GhanaWeb news: Dada KD's car kills man – while not about his career, shows press attention prior to death.

These sources show coverage extending well before his death and demonstrate his notability within Ghana’s entertainment and cultural space.

While streaming platforms alone do not establish notability, they offer evidence of widespread public availability and sustained musical output:

He has produced several full albums over the years, with a continuing fan base and consistent releases.

He received a Best Male Vocal Artist award at the 2004 Ghana Music Awards UK, which, although dated, still counts as national-level recognition. This aligns with WP:NMUSIC criteria point 6 — "Has won or been nominated for a major national or international music award."

Moreover, Dada KD’s music is widely cited in discussions about Ghanaian culture and social commentary, especially relating to traditional highlife music and societal issues in Ghana.

Dada KD is a notable figure in Ghanaian music history and deserves a spot in Wikipedia as part of documenting the evolution of highlife music and African popular culture. His career has had meaningful cultural impact beyond just his death and beyond mere discography listings.

Recommendation: Keep the article. NanaYawBotar (talk) 16:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Music streaming sites are not viable sources; any random schmo can have their music on a streaming platform. The other sources above are all local and either border on promotional in tone (interviews) or have nothing to do with his music. The award doesn't even have its own article for how seemingly high-echelon it is. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 03:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When you say the sources are all local what do you mean? The article is about a Ghanaian musician so which source will you term non-local? Owula kpakpo (talk) 18:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All external information sources are viable sources, providing they are correctly set up and operated, like the majority of streaming sites. You may think we are confusing them with reliable sources, which they obviously are not. But editors in deletion discussions such as this one are quite entitled to consult any source which mentions or promotes the subject of the article being threatened with deletion, in order to form an opinion of their own. Please don't stifle discussion with such inserts. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This subject is a well known Ghanaian Highlife musician with an award winning career. He passes the basic notability test for WP:NMUSIC. Owula kpakpo (talk) 18:37, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: no appropriate WP:Before was done. plenty of sources. FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:24, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: passes GNG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 13:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Despite all the "keep" votes, the article still has next to no content since its creation and the sourcing therein remains the same. There's nothing about his music career save for some unsourced puffery. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 22:54, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Notability are not decided by the sources in the article but you can change your nom to WP:TNT FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Volvexzshawa

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Non-notable musician. Page appears promotional. I can't see and RSs amongst the references, which all seem superficial and/or spam. No indication subject meets WP:MUSICBIO or WP:ANYBIO. Cabrils (talk) 08:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - while there are some newer sources since last AfD, nothing is different. Fails WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 09:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The coverage has certainly improved in comparison with the past AfD, though still yet to meet WP:MUSICBIO. Azuredivay (talk) 11:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Note that his stage name is sometimes in the form of two words (Volvexz Shawa), but searching under both versions plus his birth name only reveals the standard unreliable African sites that reprint an artist's press releases and try to make them look like news coverage. Also, nothing has changed for him since his first deletion about 1.5 years ago. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Am I missing something here? I see one RS (American) source, Capital News, about a Kenyan artist not to mention local news coverage, which seems to be abundant, like the Citizen Digital, Vanguard (Nigeria), and The Star (Kenya). FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Solid Frog

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Band released two albums on Overture Records, a Michigan-based independent label. They do have a biography on Allmusic, but I don't see WP:SIGCOV. Rift (talk) 05:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No SIGCOV in RS. No major awards, no songs in national charting. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Minimal coverage found [18]. Rest is confirmation of performances, or about fishing lures shaped like frogs. Oaktree b (talk) 16:36, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kilo G

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Fails WP:NMUSICBIO as the only truly significant coverage in reliable sources is about the subject's death, with no notable music to his name. The Globalgrind article appears to the product of a top ten listicle content farm (cf. WP:WATCHMOJO and their ilk), the Forbes article is by a contributor (WP:FORBESCON), the biographies on WP:GENIUS are user-generated, source 6 appears to scrape content from sources like Discogs and Wikipedia (see WP:CIRCULAR), while the last source (along with all the valuable content I could find in a WP:BEFORE search) is WP:BIO1E coverage of his death. The closest we have to a source that shows notability is 5, which was written by a writer who has contributed to Pitchfork. However, this on its own is not enough to sustain an article, and as a result, I do believe it should just be deleted. JeffSpaceman (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Gwen (singer)

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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER, no indication of notability outside of being in her group. orangesclub 🍊 00:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: per my argument to Maloi ROY is WAR Talk! 22:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Bini (group): Per my arguments at the Maloi AFD discussion. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 18:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think "Gwen (singer)" is an appropriate redirect. There may have been several more notable singers named Gwen that are for more notable. Either this is kept (either as a standalone article or as a redirect assuming info on this article is not there at the main Bini article) or deleted, no redirects. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Maloi

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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER, no evidence of notability outside her group. Page should go back to Maloi (disambiguation). orangesclub 🍊 00:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I think we can consider the discography of Maloi since she's had contribution on the song Kinikilig on Bini which is technically under WP:COMPOSER, there is also a single "Here With You" with Gwen under WP:SINGER and have a Filmography outside Bini which is Dilaw by Filipino singer Maki which is Maloi was a cast on the music video, she also appeared on "RomCom" by Filipino singer Rob Deniel. Also, Maloi have an interview with Vogue Philippines and it is still technically outside Bini. ROY is WAR Talk! 07:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMPOSER describes writing a notable piece of work, not being one of five songwriters on a single b-side song that does not have an article itself nor did it reach any charts, let alone make any noticeable mark in later compositions. Also "Here with you" did not fulfil the WP:SINGER requirement of reaching any charts either. The interview with Vogue Philippines is a good start for her but WP:SINGER describes multiple, non-trivial, published works and this is a single interview. It's too early in her career to have an entire article for her. orangesclub 🍊 10:46, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not really too early, it can be expand the article in the future since the eight girls have some activities outside their group, not always but sometimes have activities have a own appearence like TV Show, Music Video, Magazine that sometimes are not covered here because of unreliable sources per guidelines of BLP. (Same argument to Gwen. There are many similar cases of BLPs are not qualified on WP:BANDMEMBER (like me as a page reviewer) but they are based on the WP:GNG to be more qualified and it can be expandable in the future that's why they don't want to nom in AfD. Also, the supporters know that the 8 separate articles and reading this article (also to Gwen that you nominate to AfD), and they promoting to read the wiki article. This is not Conflict of Interest or being a fan, i'm just neutral here and this is my observation that's why we don't touch this 8 article to nominate in AfD. As you can see in the history, July 24, 2024 to May 2, 2025 have significant improvement on the article.

Note: The 8 separate articles of girls are not qualified in WP:BANDMEMBER, we have a argument on Jhoanna that they want to AfD because of not qualified, but it obviously passed in WP:GNG.

So, I don't think it'll succeed to the AfD (per my experience) but i'll leave to the some editors who wants to participate. ROY is WAR Talk! 22:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can see that the article has been expanded but still not enough to demonstrate her notability outside of being in her group. The point of WP:BANDMEMBER is that if you removed Bini, she has a single writing credit, a single non-charting soundtrack song and two music vidoes, and that wouldn't be enough to justify a non-Bini member having a dedicated article, so why would it be enough for her? orangesclub 🍊 22:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We've some BLPs Filipino girl groups that supposed not to be in the article like Charlotte Secretario, member of filipino girl group Kaia which is obviously tag as {{notability}} same as Katya Santos of Viva Hot Babes, a filipino pop music girl group. The bottom line that they are not basis on WP:BANDMEMBER it also applies on WP:GNG. If we always basis on WP:BANDMEMBER only and not GNG, some separate BLPs girl/boy groups that in this wikipedia will also in AfD, maybe a thousand articles will affected on that basis. Some of them separate are we are really don't care on WP:BANDMEMBER, as long as they are passed on WP:GNG then it is good or it can tag on notability in music instead of afd. ROY is WAR Talk! 03:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We're going in circles here, and I'm really not sure the relevance of these other articles you've shared. WP:BANDMEMBER means that if someone isn't individually meeting WP:GNG, being in a band doesn't cross them over the line. I still don't see how Maloi passes WP:GNG, WP:SINGER or WP:COMPOSER - being a member of a popular girl group isn't listed on any of those guidelines. orangesclub 🍊 04:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Katya Santos is an established actress on her own right. Her Viva Hot Babes stint was more of a side project for her. She gave credence (if you can call it that) to the Viva Hot Babes, not the other way around. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck, D.18th, and AstrooKai: Pinging other users who were involved in this discussion at Talk:Bini (group)#Requested move 29 January 2025.
Delete: It doesn't take much for band member notability; just two-three elaborate facts about specifically their solo career (or career with more than one band/group). Like with Joey_Mazzola who has credits outside of Sponge and barely passes for notability. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 05:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Since I am one of the significant contributors to this group, I believe it is in the best interest of fairness that I refrain from participating in these AfDs to avoid perceived bias. I will leave the decision to the community and respect whatever outcome the nominations lead to. AstrooKai (Talk) 06:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Her "notability" is defined solely by being a member of Bini; beyond that, there's really not much else about her. At least each member of, say, the Spice Girls, is notable for other endeavours other than being a part of an all-girl pop group. For one, Victoria Beckham is well known not merely for being David Beckham's wife but also for her contributions to the fashion industry. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I checked here and it says I've contributed to 7.7% of the article. I don't know if that makes me a significant contributor or not. But I do want to say that if you Google her name ("Maloi") and click on the News tab, it shows a looooot of solo articles. Nylon Manila (which is a reliable source, as it's simply the Philippine version of the established magazine Nylon) alone has at least 3 articles that significantly mention Maloi, two of which are dedicated to her alone:

https://nylonmanila.com/pop-culture/bini-maloi-broke-the-internet/

https://nylonmanila.com/beauty/bini-maloi-ricalde-radiating-light-feminine-energy/

I would say that she definitely meets Notability criteria, but this article just needs those sources to be added soon. Maloi made one statement clarifying that she wasn't dating Rico Blanco and multiple articles from multiple reliable sources such as Manila Bulletin were written about THAT singular statement. That, to me, is undeniably a notable figure. Give editors a chance to add more of those sources. Bloomagiliw (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Those Nylon articles start with "Maloi Ricalde from BINI" and "BINI’s Maloi". That's all there is to it about this person's notability. I know the Philippines is in a learning crisis right now, but WP:BANDMEMBER is clear and should be undersatood by sixth grader: "Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability." Delete, move Maloi (disambiguation) to Maloi, then have this person as an entry on the dab page. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Very professional and impartial remark: "I know the Philippines is in a learning crisis right now".... :)

Those articles mention that she is a member of BINI, just like how many articles about actors mention what else they're known for as well. But those articles are very clearly about MALOI ONLY. For instance, all articles about Jhoanna's stint as Eds in Tabing Ilog: the Musical, the lead role in a major musical that she played in two runs, also mention that she is a member of BINI.

Unless you are equipped to talk about this without insulting other editors and resorting to personal attacks, don't talk about it. "Undersatood," Howard the Duck? Bloomagiliw (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Orangesclub, @Bloomagiliw just added some information that could be passed on WP:GNG, you're just focusing on WP:BANDMEMBER. It's just a baseless argument if you are only focusing on WP:BANDMEBER. And I would like to request a Relist or Restart the voting because the article have added some information that can be changes to the vote or not. My basis here on Talk:Jhoanna#Requested move 31 July 2024. Also, Maloi was in the top 100 female idols, in a nomination on notable award of Top 100 on X (formerly Twitter) which is here and Bini Mikha was the number one.ROY is WAR Talk! 09:09, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bloomagiliw:, WP:Competence is required. Until you display this, I have no problem bringing this up. While you have absolutely no right by yourself on restricting other people on discussions, you always bring this to the appropriate drama board (I guess WP:AN/I?)

Again, that the Philippines is an deep learning crisis is on full display here, and that's very sad to see. The articles you had specifically used to demonstrate Malois supposed independent notability outside Bini introduce her as someone from Bini. It's not even "singer Maloi", or even "band member Maloi", but "Maloi Ricalde from BINI" and "BINI’s Maloi". Based on the sources you had specifically used, Her notability stems from Bini. She fails WP:BANDMEMBER.

WP:OSE: Please stop bringing other people not in AFD into arguments. These are not relevant. Those articles are not being discussed here. Be competent and discuss the subject on hand.

Man, are we creating articles for all 100 "top female idols" here at Wikipedia now? How can than be a basis for WP:GNG? Are "top 100 cosplayers", "top 100 high school basketball players", "top 100 Elvis impersonators" should all have articles too? Are those list in the world, in the Philippines or in Metro Manila? I understand you guys are bringing up works outside Bini to demonstrate notability. But really? Appearances in music videos? Top 100 idols? Howard the Duck (talk) 09:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you are really reading the updated article now because this is ad hominem now. It clearly passed in WP:GNG, I already said my arguments and why is she passed in WP:GNG. ROY is WAR Talk! 10:12, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've displayed competence by singlehandedly writing two articles that were promoted to GA status and helping another get to GA within less than a year of being an editor on Wikipedia. 🙂 How about you? How's that UST article coming along? In the decade plus that you've been an editor, according to your user page, how many articles that you've worked on have retained status higher than B? Do enlighten us.

Apart from resorting to a baseless personal attack and doubling down on it, you have used profanity in another discussion on this article. You are not fit to be a part of this discussion due to your obvious emotional bias. If you can't be calm, don't be here.

Maloi has also been a regular judge on a singing competition and has performed on solo gigs. She's also been recognized as an Internet celebrity by multiple sources — which, per Wikipedia, is a thing. Try to keep up with the times.

Ji-young Yoo is always described as Ji-young Yoo from Freaky Tales, Ji-young Yoo from Expats, and so forth in articles. It does not negate that the articles are solely about Yoo. The linked articles are almost all solely about Maloi. Some effort to wrap your head around how media articles are written rather than insistently invoking the educational crisis would be nice. But if you can't do the bare minimum, I'd really like to ask you to leave this discussion to more level-headed editors. Bloomagiliw (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've been focused to WP:DYKs for quite some time now. WP:GA is also within WP:DYK tho, but I now prefer expanding or creating new articles, then let other people improve on it. Apparently this says I have 48 DYKs, and I have 1 pending now, so I need 1 more for another shiny barnstar if the total there is right (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 19:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The repeated claim that Maloi's notability is "only as a member of BINI" overlooks clear, documented evidence of her solo career. This isn’t opinion — it’s supported by multiple reliable sources like Nylon Manila features, a songwriting credit (WP:COMPOSER) outside BINI, and mainstream media coverage such as Vogue Philippines. These meet the requirements outlined in WP:GNG for individual notability.

Additionally, her filmography includes appearances in music videos outside of BINI’s discography, such as "Dilaw" by Maki and "RomCom" by Rob Deniel, which demonstrate activity independnt of the group. Her interview with Vogue Philippines is another example of coverage focused on her personally, not just the group. I agree that WP:GNG requires significant coverage, not just chart performance, and the available sources show a developing individual profile. This does not dismiss the group association but indicates she’s building her own public presence.

I also want to note that personal attacks don’t contribute constructively to the discussion. This is an objective assessment based on available references and Wikipedia's guidelines.

— AdobongPogi (talk) 00:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As explained (not by me) above, this person does not meet WP:COMPOSER, and we're not creating articles on people who appeared on 2 music videos. Again, the Nylon Manila features introduce her not as "Filipino Singer Maloi" but as "Maloi Ricalde from BINI" and "BINI’s Maloi." Again, people, reading comprehension! Howard the Duck (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is steadily improving thanks to continued contributions, with new sources being added that highlight Maloi's individual visibility. These include her credited roles in music videos beyond group activities, a duet single with another artist, and feature interviews from established publications that focus solely on her experiences and perspectives.

Yes, some features refer to her as "from BINI" — but that's common for emerging artists. What matters is that the coverage exists and centers around her as an individual, not as background to the group. That’s the kind of attention that shows someone is beginning to build their own public identity.

This is not a fan defense it's a fair assessment of the available media coverage and the growing effort to present it neutrally. The article is taking shape with proper references, and deletion at this stage would cut short a productive improvment process. Better to work toward a stronger article than shut down what’s clearly a work in progress. AdobongPogi (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. It's also worth noting that Jennie Kim, for example, has abundant solo notability. She has plenty of solo music and was at Cannes for her solo acting role in The Idol. Despite this, if you look at her Wikipedia entry, most of the references — even newer ones from 2024 to this year — still call her "Blackpink's Jennie" or mention Blackpink.

It doesn't negate the fact that the coverage is about Jennie only. Clearly not. She has more than enough individual notability to justify her solo Wikipedia entry's existence. Blackpink is mentioned because she is associated with the group; media features often mention the individual's associations, especially for emerging artists, like you mentioned. But the coverage is about Jennie individually.

The coverage in Maloi's articles is about Maloi individually. The mentions of the group she's associated with do not negate that. Bloomagiliw (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fnaire

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Questionable amount of notability and sigcov to deserve its own article. YouTube and Genius "sources" do not count. MimirIsSmart (talk) 15:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeong Ha-yeon

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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER and WP:GNG. orangesclub 🍊 10:41, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per WP:BANDMEMBER Destinyokhiria (talk) 10:50, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to TripleS. Group is notable, member doesn't appear to be notable individually. MidnightMayhem 11:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Think someone moved it to draft while not addressing this discussion. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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For now, redirect to tripleS. I don't yet see the significant coverage necessary to demonstrate individual notability. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jung Lea

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BANDMEMBER. She is a member of two non-notable groups and has had a few modelling jobs, all explained with mostly unreliable references. orangesclub 🍊 10:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I did the original NPP review. I considered it an edge case and for these I try to follow the community norms and marked it as reviewed and noted that it needs more sources that cover her in depth. A half year has since passed. While a stringent interpretation of GNG is not the norm, this needs sources with some degree of depth of coverage of her. IMO it would be good for anyone advocating keeping this to point those out (or add them) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Gannet

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Sources lack independent depth, and the article reads like WP:PROMO. Chronos.Zx (talk) 06:09, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: See this deletion log also. & the provided sources [ SonicScoop, SongChecks, Mixonline] are primarily interviews/industry publications that not provide independent coverage per WP:GNG. Chronos.Zx (talk) 06:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SonicScoop and MixOnline are fully independent publications. Would alternate or additional sources help correct the issue? The article is not intended as promo and appears to read similarly to other Wikipedia pages regarding other notable recording/mixing engineers. 148.74.79.119 (talk) 07:03, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed what I am guessing may have been the offending sections. Please advise if any additional changes are necessary 148.74.79.119 (talk) 07:10, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

additional sources included and tonal revisions made 148.74.79.119 (talk) 07:37, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Almost certainly some WP:COI editing going on with @Konakaimusic and 148.74.79.119. The Music Connection and Songchecks sources don't name any authors, and do little more than reprint his press releases. I don't see any actual in-depth journalism there. Rift (talk) 21:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
148.74.79.119 and Konakaimusic are both me… edits were made from 2 different devices and one wasn’t signed in to Wikipedia. Is that not permitted? Additionally, subject is interviewed about his work in several podcasts, however they are predominantly audio/video. Are those site-able references? Konakaimusic (talk) 03:19, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Read WP:LOUTSOCK, WP:DBLOCK. If you are disrupting Wikipedia, adding support to your arguments by using multiple accounts/IPs in any discussion and not being open about it, it is not allowed per above and others.

It is an advice to avoid using IP when you have an ID. IPs are also tracked/trackable but your ID grants you certain rights and covers for that. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 12:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. This was in no way done with any disruptive, devious or malicious intent, just a function of working on multiple devices and being a novice on wikipedia. I appreciate the information and will not make that mistake in the future. Konakaimusic (talk) 16:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have not checked that on the page itself. You have cleared the doubts and told about two - IP and ID. Furthermore, avoid using them both again in any discussion, it will look like asserting your opinion by two spaces and may or may not give wrong idea to others. Just as a precautionary measure, don't use IP here. < s> you can use these to strike out IP comments without any space after < or /. </ s > I gave spaces just to show it to you. It will look like this ~~AtrofeliciousGrazzostauras~~.

I am assuming good faith, I believe you. Also, WP:TEAHOUSE is the way to go for when you have a question or doubts! Happy editing! HilssaMansen19 (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding more in depth journalistic resources, are podcasts/tv shows/music videos citable sources? The subject has been interviewed on several podcasts, appeared in many music videos with notable artists and has been referenced/appeared on multiple television programs relative to his career and artists he has worked with. I'd like to add additional resources but would like to avoid making any additional mistakes or adding any unacceptable citations. Konakaimusic (talk) 16:35, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Share sources here. Other editors will evaluate them. Just go through WP:NMUSICIAN and read the points there to understand the best about sources needed.

Official verified YouTube channels of known RS news magazines or papers or media houses will also work to verify some particular statements and facts for example, their personal life or career or views. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 18:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Copy that. Thank you for your help. Will add references here for review. Konakaimusic (talk) 23:29, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Behrad Ali Konari

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I am not sure that getting arrested and then released is sufficient basis for a claim of notability. The subject’s arrest certainly generated media interest at the time, but WP:BLP1E may apply. Mccapra (talk) 04:04, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per WP:BLP1E

DankPedia (talk) 04:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

keep Contrary to what some esteemed colleagues have suggested, this biography is not based on a single event. In fact, it is expandable, and there are sufficient sources available to support its development. For example, in this source, you can see that the individual in question was imprisoned again two years after the initial incident and release, this time due to their artistic and protest-related activities. ^🅣𝓗𝓪𝓻𝓸𝓵𝓭 𝓚𝓻𝓪𝓫𝓼 16:50, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tough one, but I'm leaning keep. Not a low-profile individual; ongoing protest activities; a fair bit of coverage by the rather challenging standards of coverage of anti-hijab protesters in Iran. We're a little bit over my personal threshold for keeping a biography.—S Marshall T/C 08:42, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Sameer Gadhia

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:SIGCOV. No standalone notability outside band. scope_creep^Talk 20:56, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any other reasons why my article was nominated for deletion? How can I make it better? Emmoluch (talk) 21:02, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Absolutely fails WP:MUSICBIO. Charlie (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - we've frequently redirected articles about band members to the band's article. Bearian (talk) 00:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Taylor Kraemer

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While the band this individual is a member of is notable, the individual is not notable themselves outside of the band at this present time. All current information in the article is, or can be, covered in the band article. Andise1 (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Vial (band). Bearian (talk) 03:07, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per WP:BANDMEMBER. Rift (talk) 03:26, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Vial (band) —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 19:28, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Wall (guitarist)

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Musician from non-notable band. Passing mentions in local press as a part of his band. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Rift (talk) 08:23, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No mayor awards, doesn't have a song in national charts, hasn't played a major part in a major role. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Halocene

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While this isn't a G4, the substance of the issues raised at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Halocene do not appear to have been addressed by this new draft and merger. Since the decision is two years old, a new consensus may be helpful. Bringing it here for discussion. Star Mississippi 01:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Saw this earlier but was going to let the dust settle a day prior to bringing to AfD. Page created despite draft being declined multiple times. Fails WP:NBAND and WP:GNG.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:46, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect back to The Masked Singer (Australian TV series)#Controversy (effectively endorsing the closure of the first AfD). Now that I've the energy to sit and do WP:BEFORE search, I've found mostly press releases or routine announcements, some of which are cited in the article itself. Many of the in-depth coverage in independent secondary sources are about the plagiarism accusations. I had done the merge because a patroller (?) found Halocene (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and requested a pageswap with the base page name. I thought it better to keep the extensive page history at plain old Halocene, especially since (band) only has my merge, the patroller's addition of a short description and hatnote, and the recreator's writing. (For transparency, nominator notified me about this AfD on my user talk.) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 06:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I absolutely agree with aggregating the history together in the event Halocene becomes notable and have no issue with any of your actions here @Rotideypoc41352. I also notified the creator of the new article so that you were both aware since the script "saw" the creator as the the one who created the article deleted in 2023. I'm guessing the history was somewhere as this is a remarkable first edit even assuming Rledder had been active as an IP before registering for easy creation. Star Mississippi 12:48, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I just didn't want the potential contradiction between my initial actions (removing the redirect) and my comment here [to restore it] to confuse the closer or anyone else looking into this AfD, so I thought I would clarify that the merge was more about attribution and page history than about notability. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Redirect with history in tact to The Masked Singer (Australian TV series)#Controversy. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:GNG. I created this in good-faith but for some reason a promotional version was restored - I've removed unsourced and promotional content. Halocene has received coverage beyond The Masked Singer controversy, coverage dates back to 2011 when Phoenix New Times covered it ([19]). Two state-level publications have covered it including Phoenix New Times and Arizona Republic and meets WP:SIGCOV thresold. Phoenix New Times covered it in-depth in 2011, 2017, and 2020. Rock Sound covered it in 2023. None of these sources were provided by editors in the previous draft or deletion discussion. There are more references in music magazines as well and should be kept. Rledder (talk) 11:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for cleaning up the article and for leaving a detailed comment here. I see what I consider to be an acceptable variability in judgment on which sources show the band meets GNG (or WP:NBAND). The first two [external] links are to the same source (explaining for closer's convenience)—and it is an interview, which is not independent of the subject and doesn't help determine if they meet GNG. I have no firm opinion on the 2017 PNT article; the 2020 one does meet the WP:SIRS criteria. I read the 2023 Rock Sound piece as a routine announcement (of a new release) and thus not significant coverage of the band (and maybe not even for the single itself, tangentially). Returning to the topic at hand, I do not know if we have had consensus that two sources shows that this subject meets GNG. As nominator said, this discussion will hopefully clarify that and the evaluation for notability purposes of the sources we can find. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Clarifying for closer that WP:SIRS in my reply above simply refers to the bullet points under WP:GNG: secondary sources independent of the subject, reliable, and contain significant coverage of the subject. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:16, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the band passes WP:GNG/WP:NBAND. As it currently stands, with two articles that meet WP:SIRS criteria, it passes that test. While I see merit in the redirect option, a read into the band's article and the sources linked suggests that while the controversy surrounding The Masked Singer did play a major factor, their notability is not solely derived from that incident.

(also a minor declaration that I was the one who happened to patrol the article as Rotideypoc mentioned) Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 16:19, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you share the sources which you feel show it passes GNG/NBAND? Also, how does SIRS apply as that is a company guideline? --CNMall41 (talk) 16:48, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SIRS does apply to the source materials, which shows a likely level of notability associated with the subject. In this case, having at least one quoted article in 2019 coming from The Arizona Republic - the most widely circulated newspaper in Arizona - infers a presumable notability that goes statewide.

In addition to The Masked Singer controversy article(s), one of which was the aforementioned quoted article, the 2020 Phoenix New Times article @Rledder mentioned earlier in the discussion states that the band has taken what was back in 2020 considered a lesser-adopted approach to Twitch as a platform, and are recognized by the streaming platform for it. That in itself merits independent notability from The Masked Singer, and a degree of notability that is non-trivial. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 17:55, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry but SIRS has NO application for this page. It is a subject specific notability guideline dealing with companies, not musicians and/or bands. You have also failed to cite the requested sources that show notability under GNG or NBAND. Do you have those available for the discussion? --CNMall41 (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will concede on the SIRS part as this may have been my misunderstanding on how it's applied in sources. As to the requested sources: The Arizona Republic article (reference 9), as well as the PNT article in question (reference 4). Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 18:28, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you for conceding. The AP article is paywalled but I am assuming it was prior to 2023? I should have specified that I am looking for sources showing notability since the last deletion discussion where it was found they were not notable. We are not here to relitigate the previous AfD. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:32, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep per DemocracyDeprivationDisorder. Close enough to meet WP:GNG. 38.74.35.75 (talk) 16:54, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seven (record producer)

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No appearance of notability (only other sources I could find were primary source interviews) + NOTDB vio. PROD rejected due to number of incoming links, but I don't see why that answers the concerns I mentioned. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:42, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - impressive work, assuming it's all true, but under WP:BLP, everything must be sourced - and almost nothing is. Producers are not automatically notable. We need significant coverage. Ping me if you can rescue this. Bearian (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@HilssaMansen19 Unclear what the latter comment is referring to here. Both mine and Bearian's comments are entirely regarding the validity of the article on notability grounds. Is this trying to imply otherwise, or just generally reminding users of this for no other reason? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:48, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi QuietHere,

Yes, in general to remember the focus is on policy based arguments of either side for new participants. Also, to get thorough/clearer consensus based engagement as mentioned. As there is only one comment that is of Bearians beside yours. Both are well-written points. Happy editing! HilssaMansen19 (talk) 03:00, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

María del Mar Fernández (singer)

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Not famous and not notable flamenco singer; only few sources found. NAireeo (talk) 07:50, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The article satisfices WP:BAND; The subject already has at least three independent sources with SIGCOV ([20], [21], [22]) that aren't interviews and don't seem to reprints of press releases. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 13:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shakira Martínez

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It's very promotional language and tone, and little reliable sources. Not notable singer. NAireeo (talk) 07:51, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Odeón award winner [23] with some coverage in third party sources [24][25][26]--Asqueladd (talk) 14:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As a recent creation without inline sources, this should be draftified. But notability does not seem to be an issue, since there's diverse, significant and sustained coverage in various reliable sources in recent years. MarioGom (talk) 19:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: Has notability, but due to the lack of inline citations it doesn't look like ready Wikipedia article. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr)

Alicia Morales

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Not famous and not notable flamenco singer; only few sources found. Should not be here on Wikipedia. NAireeo (talk) 07:50, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the singer is notable. Not sure why it was targeted for deletion. --Moem-Meom (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep while it could be improved in some aspects, rather adequate and informative article apparently sourced primarily by third party sources. Drive-by tagging.--Asqueladd (talk) 18:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment for now but I'm leaning delete as I don't see any WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. The references either have passing mention of the subject or are interviews. Which sources are being used for WP:GNG? Nnev66 (talk) 00:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The sources used in the article seem to be mainly passing mentions rather than demonstrating significant coverage. Madeleine (talk) 21:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:04, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brute Band and Show

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No evidence of notability. A WP:BEFORE search shows absolutely nothing of value, and subject does not appear to be notable enough for a standalone article. Fails WP:NBAND. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:12, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The band is ancient and there must be sources, but I couldn't even locate passing mentions. Checked Google Books, Google News, archive.org, and EBSCO database. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 12:56, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Woolf (band)

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Fan article on ultra obscure band. No social media, no streaming. Note tag. Refs are profiles and interviews. Nothing of significance. Fails WP:NBAND. scope_creep^Talk 21:16, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - They are a punk band and so not necessarily going to be on the major streaming services or active on the social media platforms owned by big tech companies, but they in fact are on Bandcamp and have a Facebook page from when it was common for bands to use that. I've added more sources, there is independent coverage of them in multiple significant publications and platforms for the genre such as The Quietus, The Wire, Vice, Bandcamp Daily, Maximum Rocknroll, and by notable music journalist Everett True. Lewishhh (talk) 08:45, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Several respectable sources, deletion seems unnecessary. They are mentioned on other pages such as Hardcore punk in the United Kingdom and La Vida Es Un Mus. Seems like a necessary addition to help address gender balance/heteronormative focus in the punk music inclusion on Wikipedia. Coagulanti (talk) 11:13, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This makes no sense. Editor is a WP:SPA scope_creep^Talk 18:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What about it makes no sense? Coagulanti (talk) 08:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Being mentioned in other articles doesn't make the band notable. Addressing gender balance/heteronormative focus, whatever that is, has zero to to do with notability. scope_creep^Talk 09:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds more like you not understanding than it not making sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia#Gender_bias_in_content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity Coagulanti (talk) 10:16, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS Geschichte (talk) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - since new sources have been added since nom, here's a source assessment table for those:

Source assessment table
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
The Wire (1)			Passing mention	✘ No
Hippolyte	Selling tickets to movie with band's music	No editorial oversight	Artist listing	✘ No
Vice Italy			~ Four sentences; some good info but very minimal	~ Partial
Bandcamp article		consensus on RSN	~ Very brief mention	✘ No
Collapse Board		Appears to have editorial oversight from relative experts based on FAQ	~ Actual discussion of the band/music is extremely brief	~ Partial
The Wire (2)			Paywalled source	? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Meadowlark (talk) 01:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to La Vida Es Un Mus - the sources with the most coverage are very brief and in my opinion don't add up to passing NMUSIC or GNG. Meadowlark (talk) 01:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to La Vida Es Un Mus (the record label). Based on the source assessment, I don't think it meets notability standards. Not enough for the band to have their own article. Ramos1990 (talk) 23:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: With the recently added sources (in particular these ones: [27], [28], [29]) and the above good sources ([30] and [31]); I would lean towards moderate keep. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 19:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A good attempt at WP:THREE. Lets take a look.

Ref 1 [32] That is not significant. It is a single sentence, a passing mention.
Ref 2 [33] This is a profile and is not significant.
Ref 3 [34] This doesn't have any byline. It is essentially a blog in a cafe.
Ref 4 [35] This is a list of profiles for an event listing.
Ref 5 [36] This is another unreliable source.

Not a single of these references is on the WP:MUSICRS. They are not profiles, passing mentions and blogs. Not a single one constitues a reliable significant secondary source. They are trash. scope_creep^Talk 20:14, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Admittedly these aren't all that long, but I feel you are misrepresenting them a bit.

Ref 1, That's clearly more than a sentence, it's a detailed review of their record in a monthly genre roundup article.

Ref 2, Again, a detailed review of their record in a Best of the Decade article for one of the most important magazines covering the genre.

Ref 4, Not an event listing. It's a detailed review of the band in a scene report type article. Lewishhh (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – because of significant coverage in 3 independent reliable sources: the Wire review from issue 342 (August 2012), the section in the Quietus column, and the Vice Italy profile. Wire and Quietus are at WP:MUSICRS. GanzKnusper (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Devdutta Manisha Baji

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. I removed a ton of unsourced content but even what is left is just mentions and a lot of those are WP:NEWSORGINDIA. CNMall41 (talk) 16:48, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @CNMall41,
Firstly, thank you for reviewing the page. Every notice is a new learning experience for me, and I have carefully gone through your comments.
- Please forgive me if I have not used the correct Wikipedia technical terms. I usually use generic terminology to convey points, though I do try to follow Wikipedia guidelines as best as I can.
Regarding the Devdutta article: I won't claim he is notable without basis, and though I wrote the article, I’m not approaching it with bias. I would like to present a logical, reference-based defense for my work. Beyond that, you all are the experts, and I trust your decision.

Let me address the points one by one:

1. WP:NEWSORGINDIA

Since I don’t know the subject personally, I cannot confirm whether he or his production houses paid for the articles referenced. I used sources that I found available online. Therefore, I have no comment on their promotional nature. If you have any suggestions or tools to help identify whether a link is paid/promotional, that would be really helpful for my future articles.

2. Removal of Unsourced Data

Yes, he is also a singer. I found his name listed on the music apps I use, and also in Wikipedia film tables where he is credited for singing. However, I remember a previous admin mentioning that a Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference for another Wikipedia article. So, I didn’t cite them. And since platforms like Spotify or JioSaavn are not accepted as references, I couldn’t use those either. Thank you for cleaning up the unsourced information. It would be great if you could guide me on how to properly cite chartbusters or music credits.

----

Defense Based on WP:NMUSICIAN

I’ve reviewed the WP:NMUSICIAN guidelines, and I believe the subject meets the criteria for notability for the following reasons:

a) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 2

This mentions having a single or album on a national chart. His song “Raja Ala” from Pawankhind was a chartbuster. I’m slightly confused because, in India, songs are mostly part of film soundtracks, unlike in Hollywood where albums and movies are more separate. Still, this subject has composed music for high-budget Marathi films, and several of his songs have been popular.

b) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 3

This point seems a bit biased, as it references RIAA certification and Yahoo Music ratings. Indian music directors typically aren't evaluated through such systems. How, then, can Indian subjects qualify under this criterion?

c) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 4

Again, this seems tilted toward Western norms. Indian music directors primarily work in film, and their recognition usually comes through movie soundtracks, not necessarily through concerts. Concerts are secondary.

d) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 5

I believe the subject qualifies here. His music albums have been released under Zee Music, a reputed label with over 10 years in the industry. Zee itself is a well-established brand.

e) WP:MUSICIAN - Awards (e.g., Grammy, Academy)

This also feels biased, as these awards are region-specific. In India, we have our own recognized awards like Filmfare and state-level honors such as Nandi Awards. The subject has received several regional awards and was also nominated for Filmfare Marathi, which I’ve mentioned in the article. Therefore, I believe he satisfies this condition too.

Finally, I’d like to share that I’m just a movie buff. With the rise of OTT platforms, language barriers have started to fade, and I’ve found myself exploring cinema beyond my native language. I initially began writing about Telugu movies, but then I found inspiration in my mentor and brother @Jayanthkumar123, who was actively contributing articles for Telugu cinema. Later, I saw @DareshMohan bro contributing valuable content for Kannada films.

That’s when I realized there’s a real need to work on communities like Marathi, Odia, Punjabi, and Bengaliwhere even native-language contributors are very few. I wanted to help bridge that gap and bring more visibility to regional cinema and artists who truly deserve recognition.

Regarding the issue of paid articles: it’s evident that well-established personalities or large production houses can easily pay to get featured in newspapers and portals—eventually leading to the creation of a Wikipedia article even before the film’s release.

On the other hand, subjects who lack financial resources and media exposure often have their pages deleted for “lack of citations.” This feels like an unfortunate imbalance, and I hope we can find fairer ways to address it.

My final input regarding this article is that the subject is notable. He has composed quality music and has several popular songs that have performed well on music apps within the Marathi industry. He is regarded as one of the top music directors in that space.

My suggestion would be to remove any unsourced content and improve the article in alignment with Wikipedia guidelines. Beyond that, I leave the final decision to the experienced editors—admins, rollbackers @Ab207, and others in the community hierarchy.

Thank you for this opportunity to learn and grow. Every review is a valuable learning experience for me. - Herodyswaroop (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
>His song “Raja Ala” from Pawankhind was a chartbuster

Please give reliable sources for this statement, as it helps to prove notability. Review WP:CHARTS. "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" is part of WP:NMUSICBIO — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:58, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: No notability as singer or musician. As a soundtrack composer, his films doesn't seem notable and sources are unclear. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Itzcuauhtli11

Respecting your opinion and also defending mine — I was a bit shocked by the second statement:

"His films don't seem notable."
Sir, I’m sharing with you Wikipedia's own lists — List of highest-grossing Marathi films. I am neither an editor nor do I know anyone associated with editing that page. The data is clearly visible there.
- Pawankhind – This is the 3rd highest-grossing film ever in the Marathi industry. It also appears under the highest-grossing opening weekend list.
- Subhedar – It is listed under worldwide highest-grossing films by month.
- Firastya – This film won multiple awards, including recognition in Sweden and Pune.
So, we can conclude from Wikipedia itself that two of his films were among the highest grossers in the Marathi film industry.

Coming to the song "Raja Ala":
I searched under WP:Charts, but unfortunately couldn’t find any official music chart specifically for India. However, I’m sharing a few links which I believe may help:
1. https://www.jiosaavn.com/featured/chartbusters-2022-marathi/CAvDksWm1rKvz,QNANKgeg__ "Raja Ala" is listed in the Top 3.
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMgVnhNpcFc 55 million views on YouTube.
3. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/marathi/movies/news/pawankhind-new-song-raja-aala-this-foot-tapping-number-featuring-santosh-juvekar-and-chinmay-mandlekar-is-definitely-a-chartbuster/articleshow/89432249.cms Again, you may argue this is paid media — but I’m sharing it for reference.
  I hope I have answered your queries. - Herodyswaroop (talk) 17:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Herodyswaroop:, please stop with the AI-generated WP:WALLOFTEXT information you keep posting. It is not helpful, especially since these are not policy-based arguments and the sources you are providing are not reliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41 Sorry sir, As my English is bit bad, I am using grammarly to correct the sentence. I would avoid that.

But I am actually going through each and every point in the Wikipedia guidelines and answering them, with utmost care. You asked for chartbuster I have provided the same. You asked for films notability, I have given the same.

Again bit surprising. if List of highest-grossing Marathi films this itself isn't reliable source, then which is ? - Herodyswaroop (talk) 17:53, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Itzcuauhtli11

Wikipedia: Notability (music)

"The recording was performed in a medium that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc."

Response: I have mentioned notable films where the recordings were featured.

You did not comment on the following criterion: "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)."

Response: Zee5 Music is a notable music company with over 10 years of establishment and a significant presence in the industry.

Please guide me if I am not adhering to the Wikipedia guidelines. Your help would be greatly appreciated.

- Herodyswaroop (talk) 17:49, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are still using AI to generate responses. Again, please stop. You have made your case for notability and now need to leave others to opine. Posting AI generated walls of text do NOT help your case. Also, note WP:CIR, WP:COI and WP:PAID. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:00, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41 Small correction, Not AI generated content, you can say AI Grammer corrected content, It took one hour to go through each point and get them done.

Wp: paid, Wp:COI, If I really get money in defending this subject, I would really be happy. Joking - Herodyswaroop (talk) 18:11, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You claim you need an hour to generate the responses yet your edits are done quick on pages with very good competency. This is not my first rodeo. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:33, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not properly betting all of the subject's movies as notable or not.

About the 3 movies you mentioned: Firastya didn't earn major awards and Subhedar only earned ₹18 crore worldwide, which may be notable enough on a regional level, but not on a national or international ones.

Pawankhind may be notable enough on a national or international level, but I'm still not sure. That could probe notability, but it doesn't mean he deserves an article. He also needs significant coverage on independent, reliable sources.

As a singer or musician, he doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC.

As a composer, he doesn't meet any of the criteria for WP:COMPOSER.

About Zee5 Music: What's its "roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable"? — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Itzcuauhtli11 @CNMall41 Sir, I am in a big confusion now. If i reply. @CNMall41 accuse me of paid editing. if I don't reply, I am getting lot of confusion. Taking the bet.

Sir, Marathi films are regional films and obviously,they will be highest grossers in same na sir?. How can we expect it should be highest grosser in international level.

Like Sairat movie the top-1 in marathi list, is blockbuster in Marathi,but the same is flop in telugu. And definitely not a international hit. But still it's a top movie for marathi people right?

If that is the case 98% all regional film articles would get rejected in Wiki. Because any country Or region may give a massive hit globally once Or twice.

2. Again,you claimed no awards for Firatsya. But ref clearly shows that,then why the claim of no awards.

Finally respecting @CNMall41sir advice,not dragging the context. It would be great help if sir itself goes through Zee5 label list of independently notable, as the list may go long.

- Herodyswaroop (talk) 20:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak KeepHe appears significant; as a composer, he has contributed to numerous distinguished films. However, the provided references are inadequate and require further support from credible sources. AndySailz (talk) 10:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the !vote AndySailz, but I am hoping you can clarify. If the provided references are inadequate and require further support from credible sources, how is this notable? Are you able to provide those credible sources? "Appear[ing] significant" and being notable are two different things. We need sources showing such. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:06, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Is borderline notable, but not seeing it as enough for a stand alone article. Even with his involvement with some films. Which are very particular. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lacks SIGCOV; only mentioned in film credits without additional commentary or analysis. Checked Google News and ProQuest. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 19:43, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

T. Frederick Candlyn

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Organist and choirmaster. No significant coverage in secondary sources and I don't see how his role at St Thomas Episcopal makes him automatically notable.

Worth mentioning that even within the limited category of organists who took an external music degree at Durham University, Candlyn does not compare that well to others e.g. I don't think he was ever a Fellow of the Royal College of Organists, a full professor of music, or the recipient of a government award (like Order of the British Empire, or an American equivalent) Leonstojka (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Saint_Thomas_Church_(Manhattan)#Organists. Not notable enough for a stand alone article, but certainly for a section in another article. Ramos1990 (talk) 07:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the existing sources in the article while offline seem dedicated newspaper articles and entries in reliable books. He seems notable as a composer: "Candlyn composed two hundred works, primarily anthems, cantatas, service settings and organ solos. Three of his anthems ("Christ, whose glory fills the skies," "Thee We Adore," and "King of Glory, King of Peace") remain part of the standard repertoire of Episcopal church choirs in North America." from the article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep NY Times coverage throughout his career. Significant prize as composer. Jahaza (talk) 06:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The NY Times obituary and the articles in The Diapason are easily enough to satisfy GNG. Seems to be notable as a composer as well. MCE89 (talk) 16:14, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Enough RS to prove notability. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khumar Gadimova

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This article does not yet appear to be notable for English Wikipedia Insufficient Sources, and the topic may not meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 02:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Khumar Gadimova is a well-known figure in Azerbaijani pop music and is widely recognized by the public in the country. Her artistic career has been covered by numerous reliable and independent sources such as APA, AzərTAc, Musavat, and Report. She has been active in the music industry since the 1990s, performing solo concerts, with her songs broadcast on national television and radio, and has participated in several state-level events.

The article is based on verifiable and independent sources, and the subject clearly meets the notability criteria due to her impact on Azerbaijani culture and public recognition. For these reasons, I oppose the deletion of the article and recommend that it be kept.Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 10:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Being selected as an 'Honored artist' by the Azerbaijan government should be enough to meet WP:ANYBIO. I found sources stating this, but all are in Azerbaijani and I'm not sure if they're reliable enough.[37] [38] — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://president.az/az/articles/view/22993 The official website of the President of the country has reported on this. Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 20:03, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I saw it. But independent, reliable sources are needed, and that is a primary source, which is not great. Are there others? — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 13:07, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.bakupost.az/xumar-qedimovaya-emekdar-artist-oldu https://mia.az/mobil/1075536 https://rublika.az/index.php?newsid=22845 https://etikxeber.az/xumar-q%C9%99dimova-%C9%99m%C9%99kdar-artist-oldu/ https://hit.az/az/senet/264643/emekdar-artist-konserte-hazirlasir/ https://musavat.com/ru/mobile/news/bacisi-xumar-qedimova-emekdar-artist-olmasindan-xebersizdir_420423.html https://www.gununsesi.info/xumar-q%C9%99dimovaya-%C9%99m%C9%99kdar-artist-adi-verildi/ https://baku.ws/show-business/xumar-qdimovaya-mkdar-artist-ad-verildi-srncam https://azxeber.com/az/emekdar-artist-turkiyede-trend-oldu/maqazin/ https://news24.az/180697-emekdar-artist-sevenlerine-seslendi.html Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 15:46, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are those independent, reliable sources? Linkbombing is not enough for a discussion. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://president.az/az/articles/view/22993 The most reliable source. The country's president's own official website Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : Being selected as an 'Honored artist' by the Azerbaijani government, which is a national level recognition, is enough to meet WP:ANYBIO. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 15:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Noting that the Azerbaijani spelling of her name is Xumar Qədimova (which I have added to the article). Searching on this spelling will probably bring up more sources in that language. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep above information and additional sources have been sufficient to determine notability as well as WP:ANYBIO#1 with a national honour and yes, WP:NEXISTS. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 18:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Psychonaut 4

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Fails WP:BAND, was unable to find any form of significant for inclusion. They also seem to have been nominated and deleted previously, and judging from the nomination that time, there doesnt seem to much of an improvement this time around. No charting album, not on a notable label, no inclusion in any big publication. In fact most of their 'press' seems to just come from underground metal online tabloids like Metal Injection and MetalSucks, like many others of this bands size. Searching their name just brings up the usual for underground metal acts such as LastFM or Sputnikmusic mostly. Lil Happy Lil Sad ^:): 05:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability. The majority of the coverage on them has been published since the first deletion as well. Seacactus 13 (talk) 04:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment so you edited the page since the delete nomination with this edit with the summary "Maybe actually look past page 1 of Google search results". What am I missing here? Obscure webzines/blogs in Italian and Danish? That's the big comeback with verifiable sources? User-created blogs and webzines are generally not reliable sources. You claim "There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability", which is fine when it comes to small metal bands due to their appearances on verifiable publications like Revolver or Kerrang etc. yet I still dont see any noteworthy sources like those. All that's mostly used on the article are metal webzines, which anyone can create and maintain - and are generally disallowed per wp:USERG — Lil Happy Lil Sad ^:): 06:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The page has three+ sources with SIGCOV. One of them (metal.de) is for sure reliable per wp:A/S. The rest doesn't raise any apparent problems. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:39, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am not seeing significant coverage of this group. Does not meet WP:BAND. Seeing that it was deleted in the last AFD, it does not look like it improved much this second time in terms of notability. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Specific analysis of the available source material would be quite helpful.
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Keep The Metal.de and the Osservatorio Balcani e Caucaso Transeuropa focus on the article subject in depth and therefore both sources fulfill criteria 1 of WP:BAND: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries. The nominator has described these sources as self-published "blogs", but that is simply not accurate. Both sources are online independent news publishers, with an editor in chief and staff writers, etc, as opposed to blogs written by a single author - under WP:BAND, what constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 20:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A final relist for a clear consensus. Hoping to have any further arguments, favor/opposition to above analysis discussed here, and other suggestions also welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HilssaMansen19 (talk) 21:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Indian rapper asks 'Talha Kaun?', Talha Anjum responds with a brutal diss track". Images.Dawn.com. Dawn Media Group. 21 May 2025. Retrieved 23 May 2025.

[2] "Young Stunners' new Album Rebirth is a must listen". Samaa TV.

[3] "Open Letter - Talha Anjum [Album Review]".

[4] "Open Letter Talha Anjum's album blend of hip-hop and Urdu poetry".

[5] "Umair and Jokhay The man behind the rise of Talha Anjum amd Talha Younas".

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