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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 06:47, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quentin Vincent

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having runner up at a tournament that does not pass WP:NBAD. GNG is also not met. zglph•talk• 05:58, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 00:52, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lorraine Baumann

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fails notability guidelines (GNG, SIGCOV, NBAD). zglph•talk• 09:59, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Salvio giuliano 10:08, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yoann Chauvière

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fails WP:GNG; I did some searching and was not able to find significant coverage in any reliable source Joeykai (talk) 05:32, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Clear consensus among editors that the subject meets WP:NPROF #2. (non-admin closure) EmilyR34 (talk) 06:07, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jane Zemiro

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I couldn't find indepth coverage of this person. The limited coverage seems to discuss her in relation to her more famous daughter Julia Zemiro. Fails WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR. LibStar (talk) 02:15, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. My quick BEFORE search didn't found references containing significant about her. Thus, fails to meet WP:GNG or to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV. I have seen her name listed here but didn't found references to verify it. Please ping me when references containing significant coverage are found. Fade258 (talk) 02:12, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Domaine Clarence Dillon. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Philippe François Armand Marie de Noailles

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The article lacks significance. It contains only genealogical information. It states that he holds a French title, even though titles in France were abolished in 1870. RobertVikman (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Polish models. now that it exists (thank you). Arguments against retention do not make the case that Zuk shouldn't be covered somewhere, rather that she shouldn't have a standalone article. Arguments for retention are not backed with sourcing to support it. Star Mississippi 23:16, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eva Zuk

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Article sourced to Evertise AI PR, blogs, listings and paid promotions, the subject - a Polish model, fashion influencer, entrepreneur, and philanthropist - fails WP:GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:20, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: This was the best I could find -24hip-hop.com/eva-zuk-the-multi-faceted-maven-of-beauty-intellect-and-philanthropy/, not sure it's a RS. Most of the sources in the article aren't ranked by Cite Highlighter, FHM looks to be the best, but it's still not enough. The source I found is on the wiki black list, so it's not a valid source... Oaktree b (talk) 14:49, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per above. :Sanemero the Robot Prince (not really, it's a Gloryhammer reference) 15:21, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. She has appeared on the cover of various magazines, such as FHM India [6] with an article all about her: [7]. I think a prominent article on the person in a widely read publication is good evidence of notability so I've stopped looking - however, there are other magazines shown on her Instagram page (which has 1.4 million followers) if folks wish to check further [8]. SilkTork (talk) 15:58, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    one magazine source isn't enough. Oaktree b (talk) 18:11, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:32, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Saint Mleux

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Fails WP:GNG; subject is solely known for their, thus far, two-year relationship with Charles Leclerc. All sources used in the article, primarily tabloids and fashion guides, reflect this. MB2437 20:07, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not that this changes much, but the two-year relationship point may be a little more permanent.[13] MB2437 18:42, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge. The discussion since the last relist is about a proposed merge. This discussion should take place as a WP:PROM at Talk:Raëlian beliefs and practices. (non-admin closure) 11WB (talk) 11:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Geniocracy

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I found this page from the recently deleted page Noocracy and I was thinking they could be combined but as I did more research into this page I found that there aren't independent sources to back it up. I think a redirect to Raëlism or perhaps some amount of merging should be done instead of purely deleting the page. You can find the amazing Aliens Adored book to read the only major source I could find about the topic and its pretty light itself. Moritoriko (talk) 00:00, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would vote keep, as the person who tagged this with "sources exist", but the article isn't in a great state, so I would also be fine with merge. Aliens Adored does have sigcov of the idea, but there is also sigcov in several other books in academic journals, like Alien Worlds [14], The New Heretics [15] (same author as Aliens Adored but worth considering in combination) Urban's 2015 book [16], a full page in Mayer's 1993 book [17] analysing the idea, this article [18]. Lots of other shorter mentions too [19] [20] [21] [22]
This idea also garnered the Raelians specific criticism and was involved in some of their legal proceedings, and is the main reason they lost a pretty big court case I believe [23] [24] lots of news coverage that mentions it [25], criticism in various anti-cult books e.g. [26]
All in all, it does pass GNG, but the article isn't very good so a redirect/merge wouldn't be a horrible idea. Strongly oppose deletion proper. Note: in French, which most coverage on the Raelians is in, it is "géniocratie", so if anyone would like to do a further search you should try that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:16, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned I think deletion should be off the table but I think that this article which tries to exist half about the book with the same title, and half about the system (which only appears in relation to Raelians) is giving undue weight to something that is a small facet of their beliefs and un-used by anyone else. Moritoriko (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also thanks for finding french sources. Moritoriko (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I wouldn't object much to a merge, but I do think it technically passes GNG. It's close enough where there is wiggle room per WP:PAGEDECIDE, though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:13, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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keep. Merging this page with Rael(ism) would remove the detail of the page due to the nessecary summarisation of merging. Zxilef (talk) 04:34, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@PARAKANYAA @Zxilef @Metallurgist, In order to keep this from closing as no-consensus I thought I'd try to have a further discussion here and ping yall.
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The page is fairly long, and would have to be summarised. It could also be adopted by movements that are not related to Raelism due to its basic principles. Zxilef (talk) 01:47, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, that was vauge. Detail that could be lost is: Justifying the method of selection, and See also. Zxilef (talk) 01:48, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thank you for adding some concrete things that you are worried about. I agree about the Justifying section, however I think the See also section is too broad as it is and would trim it down regardless of keep/merge result here. Moritoriko (talk) 04:24, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection. I didnt specify a target for m/r. ← Metallurgist (talk) 04:29, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated and expanded the section in Raëlian beliefs and practices about geniocracy as if I were to merge it. Please have a look and let me know what you think. Moritoriko (talk) 05:40, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still vote keep but the beliefs and practices article is fine I guess. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 03:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuel Goffi

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Subject doesn't appear to pass WP:GNG. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:10, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep – Per the coverage below, the subject meets WP:GNG:
    • 462 words of coverage: Guérin, Emmanuel (30 August 2011). ""Ouvrir le débat sur la morale des armées"". La Provence (in French).
    • Some independent coverage of him (the rest of the article is an interview): "DRONES on the battlefield". Winnipeg Free Press. 28 January 2015.

      Emmanuel Goffi has dedicated his life to examining the ethics of the use of force -- first as an officer in the French air force for 22 years, now as a doctoral student and University of Manitoba lecturer in the Centre for Defence and Security Studies. Goffi will be speaking Friday on drones and the future of war during the 31st annual U of M Political Studies Students' Conference running today through Friday. The forum on politics, defence and security will have as its focus, "The Legacy of Great Wars: Marking History and Humanity."

    • Around 223 words of coverage on him: "Interview - Emmanuel R. Goffi". E-International Relations. 21 February 2016. Retrieved 26 October 2025. [Removed quote.]
    • At least 34 words of coverage on him: Manroubia-Porteous, Jean-Baptiste (2018). La Persistance du Recours à la Force à Travers la légitime défense Internationale: Le Cas de la légitime défense Internationale Invoquée Contre des Actes de Terrorisme (in French). Paris: L'Harmattan. ISBN 9782140057700. Retrieved 26 October 2025.

      Emmanuel Goffi est un capitaine de l'armée de l'air française , spécialiste des études de sécurité et des relations internationales . Il est actuellement enseignant chercheur à l'Université de Manitoba au Canada et chercheur associé au...
      Aviationwikiflight (talk) 15:59, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The text from E-International Relations appears to just be a standard biographical note that would often be provided by the author or based on what their own institutional profile page says about them, rather than being written independently by a journalist. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:27, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Struck accordingly. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:31, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete The Winnipeg Free Press dedicated only one introductory sentence to Goffi. Excerpt from Google Books continues as follows, associé au Centre d'Études et de Relations Internationales de Sciences Po Paris . 20 Voir extra p . 131 . 21 Voir extra p . 131. Le réalisme , en tant que grand courant théorique et paradigme dominant ... This is probably just a footnote that explains who the author of a cited work is. The first reference is unavailable, so it cannot be checked. I didn't find any reviews for the book for which he was the single author. His citation count is rather low, mostly due to works focused on AI ethics. The references in the article are either to Goffi himself or return 404. Kelob2678 (talk) 14:36, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure sure how I would be able to show the extent of the coverage in the La Provence article without it being a copyright violation but it certainly contains in-depth coverage of him. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I meant that I had no opinion on whether that source counts towards GNG. But even if it does, one source is not enough. Kelob2678 (talk) 17:48, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Views are split between keeping the article outright or merging with another, principally Trebor (composer). As these can be both be done by simple editing, without administrator assistance, there is no further need for a deletion debate, as there is definitely not any consensus to delete the article outright. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:30, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Borlet

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Single, non-publicly accessible source. Googling to find other sources only results in sites which link back to this same page. No WP:NMUSIC or WP:V Athanelar (talk) 09:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Minor but notable figure, with highly authoritative source. A web-only search will not produce acceptable results in this area. It should not have been included in Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Artists which is for visual artists only. Johnbod (talk) 12:34, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you elaborate a little more as to how it meets our notability standards? Is there really WP:SIGCOV? The very short stub essentially says "We know very little about him, including his name and identity. We can confirm he composed between 1 and 7 compositions." Is this really enough to support a stand-alone article? I'm struggling a bit to see the encyclopedic value of a short stub so devoid of substance. Sergecross73 msg me 13:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We don't normally apply exactly the same standards to medieval and earlier figures as to contemporary ones. The article probably contains everything that is known about him, which obviously is very little indeed. He was considered important enough to be included in the standard reference work, which in itself is probably enough for notability. There are thousands of comparable examples. Johnbod (talk) 13:10, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand that its not likely to come across a 2025 New York Timess feature on a subject like this, but I'm also not convinced that mere mentions like that are enough to establish notability in the Wikipedia sense. Are you alluding to some guideline I'm unfamiliar with or something? Sergecross73 msg me 13:22, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    His own entry in the standard encyclopedia on the subject is not a "mere mention"; it's just that next to nothing is known, so the biographies there and here can't be any longer. Johnbod (talk) 18:14, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for the clarification. I'll reword my stance accordingly: I don't believe an entry in a standard encyclopedia is enough to establish any sort of notability standards, particularly when said entry is devoid of any real substance because nothing is known. Sergecross73 msg me 19:23, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think notability is substantiated here. I checked GScholar just now and the mentions for Borlet are essentially all the same as the mentions for Trebor (composer) because they're believed to be the same person. Therefore at the very least I think a merge with Trebor is in order, but given that even the sources I can find for that article are essentially "some compositions exist which are attributed to someone called Trebor" I don't think we have notability in a Wikipedia sense here at all, so I think deleting both Borlet and Trebor (which I've also made an AfD for) makes sense. Athanelar (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, this is where I'm leaning too. I could technically see creating a redirect to Trebor, which pretty much already covers the (very little) verifiable information about Borlet, but the argument for Trebor's notability is pretty weak too. There's definitely not enough here for 2 standalone articles, though at least Trebor has verifiable information in it... Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not against a merge, but you popular culture types need to understand that notability is not affected by whether there is information online or not. Johnbod (talk) 18:12, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Please don't cast aspersions - no one has asserted sourcing needs to be online thus far in the discussion. That's not the reason you're getting pushback. You're getting pushback because you aren't actually citing or invoking anything. You just keep making WP:VAGUEWAVE WP:ITSNOTABLE WP:ATAs. Sergecross73 msg me 19:20, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: There is the entry in the references section; there are books mentioned in Further Reading. Google Scholar has a considerable number of books with significant coverage on him; they include https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/early-music-history/article/abs/an-episode-in-the-south-ars-subtilior-and-the-patronage-of-french-princes/4F5EA81CC0345A850C971836859832A6 ; https://search.proquest.com/openview/d9810dfdb21e258c9b6bc2f87da5f874/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y The polyphonic virelai "He tres doulz rossignol" attributed to him is one of the most notable pieces of the genre. Plenty of other sources exist; https://www.persee.fr/doc/caief_0571-5865_1979_num_31_1_1185 and so on. e.ux 20:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:SIGCOV necessitates that the sources in question address the subject 'directly and in detail.'
    The first source is about how these Medieval French sources have been preserved, and the latter literally says its aim is only to transcribe the unpublished chansons of the Chantilly manuscript.
    To my eyes, the only relevance of these sources to Borlet/Trebor are that he is passingly mentioned within them as composer of some of these pieces, which is pretty plainly trivial coverage. The third source you've linked is a French-language source which I'm not equipped to assess.
    Could you be more specific about how you feel these sources demonstrate in-depth, specific coverage of the subject? Athanelar (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    They analyse his work -stylistically-; some dwell on his possible identification with other musicians -various authors support more or less assertively and with different arguments the Trebor hypothesis. These are no passing mentions, nor trivial coverage, and plenty of other sources exist. But as creator of one of the most notable virelai of the time, he could, one could argue, meet the specific notability guidelines anyway -like Wikipedia:CREATIVE; it may remain a short article -but it is not that short-;- if everyone agrees a redirect and merge to Trebor is better, it might be an acceptable solution too, but things are clearer this way -and fairer- imv; outright deletion would be absolutely inappropriate, I think; coverage on him in various other languages abounds, fwiw- and please also check the information in https://www.lib.latrobe.edu.au/MMDB/composer/COM065.HTM e.ux 20:53, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Also meets WP:COMPOSER..."Appears at reasonable length in standard reference books on their genre of music." e.ux 20:55, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Trebor (composer). I came to this discussion via Trebor, who I strongly believe is notable: see my comments at that AfD. I think Eva's point on WP:NCOMPOSER carries some merit given the inclusion in Grove, so I'm somewhat opposed to outright deletion. However, from my literature review, Borlet clearly receives much less coverage than his doppelganger. There is also a lot of overlap – they may be the same person after all, and as such the vast majority of potential sources with more substantial coverage speak about Borlet in relation to Trebor. I do note the fairly imposing further reading section but, of the Chantilly scholars that speak of Borlet, Plumley, Brown, Goméz, and Reaney all treat him this way, while Earp and Apel (1 and 2) only give scarce passing mentions. So I end up here offering a middle ground with a merge: not on notability grounds or as an ATD, but per WP:OVERLAP. UpTheOctave! • 8va? 22:25, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's a quote from A Ballade for Mathieu de Foix: Style and Structure in a Composition by Trebor
    "On Trebor/Robert/Trebol/Borlet, see especially Maria del Carmen Gomez Muntané, La Música en la casa real catalano-aragonesa durante los años 1336-1432, vol. 1 : "Historia y Documentos" (Barcelona, 1977), pp. 99-101.[27] The Chantilly manuscript attributes only a single realistic virelai to Borlet ("He tres doulz roussignol"), whereas Trebor is assigned six ballades and no virelais.
    Since stylistic differences between genres are at least as great as stylistic differences between individual composers, it would be virtually impossible to make a convincing argument that the composer of "He tres doulx roussignol" was or was not the same as the composer of the six ballades on stylistic grounds alone. No music is known to be attributed either to Robert or to Trebol."
    So two scholars say Borlet and Trebor are different persons. A merge wouldn't be appropiate. 23:41, 22 October 2025 (UTC)~ — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 23:41, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree. As noted above, I took both the Brown and Goméz sources into consideration when drafting my !vote. The justification for my arguement is not identity, as you infer. Most scholarship on Borlet is related to the possibility they were the same person: this shows they are "related subjects that have a large overlap" (WP:OVERLAP), which is enough reason for a merge on its own. Also, you are misreading the sources. Brown claims it would be virtually impossible to make a convincing argument that [Borlet] was or was not the same as [Trebor] (emphasis added). His phrasing leaves open both the possibility that they are connected or are not, which your conclusion incorrectly parses. Thanks, UpTheOctave! • 8va? 00:05, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. We don't need hard confirmation on this to warrant a merge or mention there, just that reliable sources cover them together, which they clearly do. The complexity of the situation can be covered in the prose. It'd be pretty easy to cover at the forefront of the article too, considering the lack of content. Even the sloppiest of merges wouldn't escalate the resulting article out of stub status... Sergecross73 msg me 00:34, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is just clearly a case of consulting Google over subject-matter expertise. Any merging that might arise can and should be handled separately from this discussion on the talk page, based on scholarly consensus. Chubbles (talk) 05:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to Trebor (composer) - basically I agree with UpTheOctave!'s analysis of the sources, and think that readers will be best served by a single article that covers the composer(s) and the scholarship surrounding whether they are the same person or not. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 08:17, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge with Trebor per previous discussion.
Athanelar (talk) 15:55, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Trebor (composer): Users UpTheOctave!, Eva UX, Sergecross73 and others have made good arguments about enough scholarly debate (although not enough historical evidence), so I think a deletion is not warranted. i agree that a merge with info on the identity controversy would be much better. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 19:18, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Passes WP:GNG as the composer is included in several music reference works as well as in scholarly books/journals. Because scholars do not agree that these two composers are the same person, editorially I think it is better to keep them separate. Lastly, any person covered with an entry in any published encyclopedia will pass our criterion for inclusion per WP:5P1. Our foundational goal is to cover the sum of all human knowledge and pillar one specifically grandfathers in content covered in encyclopedias and specialized encyclopedias. Its an anathema to our founding mission to exclude any content published in any encyclopedia (unless there is some reason to believe its unreliable) as principally our founding goal is to gather all topics covered in all reference works into a single location. In short, if a topic is covered in an encyclopedia we cover it too. Period.4meter4 (talk) 05:10, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 08:29, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Georges Leroux

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. A redirect to France at the 1928 Summer Olympics#Gymnastics may be a suitable WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 00:48, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: Per above, I am in no way saying that that's the only source material that exists. I'm merely sharing that I was able to find that within 5 minutes of searching for this AfD. It would be wholly unwise for someone to base their decision on what I was able to quickly find without others also digging with a bit of a specialty. Given that he lived in a pre-internet era in a non-English language country, we run the risk of our Wikipedia biases dictating our content here, especially if those who have less experience with searches like this ultimately dictate the outcome, which further reinforces those biases (more: WP:SBEXTERNAL). Not to pile on even more sources for a point that's not mine to prove, I took 5 more minutes and was able to find this fairly substantitive article and that he was the French national artistic gymnastics for three years running in addition to his Olympic appearance and further athletic mentions/accomplishments/reports here, here, here, and here. There's plenty out there, clearly. GauchoDude (talk) 14:03, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. ✗plicit 14:21, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Acid Cryptofiler

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Page has multiple issues that have not been resolved, starting 8 years ago; the article content is not well-cited and the topic does not appear to be notable. Twillfactor (talk) 20:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 23:07, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

François Duhamel

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Can find no evidence of signifcant coverage of reliable sources so fails WP:SPORTCRIT. GothicGolem29 (talk) 21:45, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, unnotable unreferenced BLP. -Samoht27 (talk) 22:51, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Source 1 is a routine match preview with a few sentences on Duhamel. Source 2 is a routine contract signing story and source 3 contains more info on him but nowhere near a GNG pass. Dougal18 (talk) 08:28, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Agnieszka653 can you explain your reasoning here? SIGCOV, as Robby.is.on said, does not care about the language. Iljhgtn (talk) 23:05, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He has some reporting in the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chesterfield/5144452.stm I found an ESPN stub page, but I found more coverage of him in French sources: https://www.leballonrond.fr/joueur/francois-duhamel/54788 https://www.foot-national.com/data/1137-2172-328-saison-football-Duhamel-Francois.html https://saint-malo.maville.com/sport/detail_-saint-malo.-francois-duhamel-un-nouvel-attaquant-pour-les-diables-noirs_52701-2351317_actu.Htm Agnieszka653 (talk) 14:44, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC article is a transfer report, i.e. routine coverage; Foot National is a database profile; LeBallonRond, another database, is unreliable per WP:WPFLINKSNO. So these three don't contribute to WP:SIGCOV. The Maville article, another transfer report, has a short paragraph about Duhamel, but it's not enough for me. Robby.is.on (talk) 15:49, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I would vote for delete unless more sources come up. Gawrawiki (talk) 11:21, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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