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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Singing candle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Looking through the history of this article, it seems to have been an art project by the Belgian Bains::connective (an archive of their website). Their website seems to be the only source that has ever been in the article, and the article's original illustration was sourced to that site too. As you can see from that image (and old versions of the article and site), the art project also seemingly made some concerningly fringe connection with psychology/telepathy. More to the point my WP:BEFORE failed to find any coverage in WP:RSs covering this either as a feedback demonstration or as an art project, and thus I can't see this meeting WP:GNG. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:00, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: You can seem to buy something similar on the various online stores, but I don't find sourcing we can use for notability. Whatever this stub article is, it has no sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b, While it wouldn't be a reliable source, I would be interested if you could share such a listing, as everything I can see on online stores are candles (real or fake) that play music, as opposed to the subject of the article which is a feedback experiment which uses a loudspeaker connected to a light sensor to make interesting sounds (and is somehow telepathic?) Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:18, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, it's just Amazon and Walmart links to singing candles or birthday cards. Nothing useful here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b, While it wouldn't be a reliable source, I would be interested if you could share such a listing, as everything I can see on online stores are candles (real or fake) that play music, as opposed to the subject of the article which is a feedback experiment which uses a loudspeaker connected to a light sensor to make interesting sounds (and is somehow telepathic?) Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:18, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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or redirect to Rubens tube- It's a cool idea but it's not a notable subject or artwork. Fails GNG. Netherzone (talk) 15:21, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete or incorporate into another article. This stub has somehow survived almost 20 years with no references and no notable sources mentioning this specifically. Afonso Dimas Martins (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 14:15, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Tomasz Młynarczyk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication of significance but potentially notable. Note tag been on the article for 1+ years. I think it probably fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV but don't hold me to it. scope_creepTalk 09:57, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment - the article has an interesting history to be aware of. It was created by a now globally locked account, part of the "Put Radzyn on the map" campaign to promote the town of Radzyn. So I think the sources should be examined very carefully, to analyze which ones are public relations, local promotion, or advertorial content like native advertising that may look like an actual article in a publication but it actually PROMO. Holding off on !voting for now. Netherzone (talk) 14:00, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Weak delete - After going through all the sources in the article, and conducting an online BEFORE search, here's what I found: quite a few hits for this photographer, but they are press releases, or event announcements, and photo credits in various publications. A lot is taken directly from Wikipedia. It seems he is a much loved and respected local photographer, who has photographed a broad range of subjects. However most of the sources in the article are primary sources. Some of the citations that look like book reviews are actually synopses written by the photographer himself, and published by the Zwiazek Polskich Artystów Fotografików - Association of Polish Art Photographers, of which he is a member, so not independent. What I did find that contribute to notability are: He designed a stamp for Poland: [1]; review of one of his shows in a newspaper (which I think is local Wyborcza.pl LUBLIN): [2];
and this article, but it is unclear exactly what the publication is but appears it may be an academic journal, info: Młynarczyk, Tomasz. 2011. "Exhibition "Archive - Form And Light and Shadow". Archives – Kancelarie – Collections, No. 2(4)/ (December):195-219. https://doi.org/10.12775/AKZ.2011.007. [3] and another way to access the article: [4].If kept, the article needs clean up. Netherzone (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC) - Weak delete. Wyborcza is a major Polish newspaper, so it covering his exhibition is a suggestion of GNG, even if, yes, its one of their local (regional) editions. The "academic" article linked appears to be from the subject himself. I am not seeing much else outside was was found above; I think all things considered he is not notable enough for Wikipedia (only the GW article seems to meet slightly stretched GNG/SIGCOV/independent requirements). PS. I nominated it on pl wiki for deletion (pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2025:04:30:Tomasz Młynarczyk). It tends to be more inclusionist. Perhaps someone will find new sources or arguments there, I'll update my comment here if there's anything there that I feel is worth mentioning here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:16, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Goldsztajn (talk) 23:00, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Association of Professional Design Firms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Organization that fails WP:GNG. No WP:SIGCOV was found. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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- Delete - I couldn't find any sigcov in newspapers.com, pressreader, or google news/books/scholar and I don't see a clear merge/redirect target. Zzz plant (talk) 02:44, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, I couldn't find sufficient sources to pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 18:49, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Art Fight (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Besides the The Verge source referenced, I couldn't find any other independent coverage. ~ A412 talk! 17:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Other than the Verge, there are no sources to be found. I can only get hits on various uses of the term. Sourcing in the article is primary otherwise, no nothing we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 00:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I agree that it fails WP:GNG. Is there no other subject-specific notability test that this might fall under? It's an event with 400k participants, which seems logically notable to me, but I'm not as well-versed in Wikipedia's notability guidelines as you folk are. Aspharon (talk) 13:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails GNG, and also WP:NGAME, and also WP:NWEBSITE. Although it is popular, there is no inherent notability for this type of online event or Internet forum, and popularity does not guarantee that a subject is notable per WP's criteria. Netherzone (talk) 17:19, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Per above, fails WP:GNG. Also I feel like the title can be misleading as when I first saw the title, I thought it was a general title about a fighting related to art instead of a game.
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 14:04, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Nick Weber (artist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 13:19, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
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Artsy
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✘ No |
Harpers Gallery
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✘ No |
27East
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✘ No |
Dan's Papers
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~ large portion of the text is the artist talking about himself/his work | ![]() |
~ Hybrid profile/interview/PR for show | ? Unknown |
Glenn Horowitz Bookseller
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✘ No |
Women's Wear Daily "Fashion Scoops"
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? Unknown |
Gothamist
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? Unknown |
Grenning Gallery
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✘ No |
Ochi Gallery
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✘ No |
Boo Hooray Summer Rental
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✘ No |
KD Hamptons Art Scene
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✘ No |
Chelsea Walls
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✘ No |
Dan's Papers
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~ Routine local coverage in local paper, interview with the artist's gallery | ![]() |
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? Unknown |
Printed Matter
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✘ No |
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- Delete The source analysis table, a nice touch, is very compelling and I couldn't find anything else of worth. Couldn't find a single museum that contains a collection. References are profiles. Nothing really. scope_creepTalk 16:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: No Getty ULAN listing [5] and the source review table pretty much explains the rest. Lack of sourcing or critical review. Oaktree b (talk) 17:15, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - I've spent quite a bit of BEFORE time searching of the kind of coverage needed for inclusion, and haven't been able to to find what's needed to substantiate this artists's notability per WP's criteria. The sources consist of user-submitted data, press releases, connected sources (such as galleries that show his work), hyper-local or PR trivial coverage, social media posts and primary sourcing. Does not meet GNG nor NARTIST at this time. Netherzone (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Insufficient coverage by independent, reliable secondary sources to pass WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
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The result was keep. No deletion rationale provided here or support for a deletion of this article. Liz Read! Talk! 22:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Margarida Fleming (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Neutral. As the original author of the article I do not accept suggestions that the article is inaccurate. To the best of my knowledge the complainant has not provided any examples of inaccuracies. Further, there are a large number of citations given. The fact that these sources are freely available rather challenges the complainant's request for privacy. I probably prepared the article after seeing a list of the "Top Ten Most Inspiring Portuguese Women",[1] which to me does not suggest a lack of notability, although I would agree that the subject, despite the quality of her work, is not in the first rank of Portuguese artists and her inclusion on Wikipedia cannot be considered essential. Roundtheworld (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Top 10 Most Inspiring Portuguese Women". Discover Walks. Retrieved 21 April 2025.
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- Question: Of the fourteen sources currently in the article, which one(s) are not blogs, user-submitted content, sales sites or primary sources? In other words, which are secondary reliable sources that are fully independent from the person? Netherzone (talk) 23:07, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Question 2: OK, I'm confused. The nominator, Roundtheworld, who started this AfD says they are the original author, but are neutral about deletion. However the article history says that the editor, Umdiadepois, nominated the article for deletion according to their user contributions,[6] and they claim to be the the subject of the article, although there is no proof of that. Roundtheworld could you, when you find a moment, please explain what's going on, I'm confused. Thank you, Netherzone (talk) 23:27, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- No, I did not start the AFD. I responded to a notification that the page had been started. Umdiadepois had previously made lots of large deletions, which were reverted by others. I am reasonably satisfied that she is the subject of the article. Her first revert stated "Hello, I am the subject of this article. Some of the information is outdated and does not accurately reflect my current trajectory. I would like the article to be simplified, as I prefer to keep my personal and professional information on my official website. I kindly request the removal of excessive details and a more neutral, concise version of the article. Thank you for your time and consideration." Roundtheworld (talk) 09:49, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for explaining, now I understand. Umdiadepois may well be the subject, however, because this is a BLP, I think there is a procedure that has to occur to prove that they are who they say they are. If I'm not mistaken, they need to file an email ticket with WP:VRT that gets reviewed by a team member and assigned a number. I'm pinging @Star Mississippi for her guidance. (BTW, I have no opinion on Fleming's notability at this time.) Netherzone (talk) 13:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks @Netherzone for the ping. NZ, @Roundtheworld while that's the best route if Fleming wants to edit the article or under their name, it's not mandatory for us to consider this deletion discussion. They're welcome to open the discussion or weigh in and if they have specific privacy concerns about material, they should reach out to VRT/OTRS. No comment on notability as I haven't had a chance to dive in and it's late here @Justlettersandnumbers @Barkeep49 is there anything we're missing here? Star Mississippi 03:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- I think participants in this discussion, including any closer(s), are welcome to consider how to weight the request from an unverified account for purposes of Wikipedia:BLPREQUESTDELETE. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:40, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks @Netherzone for the ping. NZ, @Roundtheworld while that's the best route if Fleming wants to edit the article or under their name, it's not mandatory for us to consider this deletion discussion. They're welcome to open the discussion or weigh in and if they have specific privacy concerns about material, they should reach out to VRT/OTRS. No comment on notability as I haven't had a chance to dive in and it's late here @Justlettersandnumbers @Barkeep49 is there anything we're missing here? Star Mississippi 03:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for explaining, now I understand. Umdiadepois may well be the subject, however, because this is a BLP, I think there is a procedure that has to occur to prove that they are who they say they are. If I'm not mistaken, they need to file an email ticket with WP:VRT that gets reviewed by a team member and assigned a number. I'm pinging @Star Mississippi for her guidance. (BTW, I have no opinion on Fleming's notability at this time.) Netherzone (talk) 13:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- No, I did not start the AFD. I responded to a notification that the page had been started. Umdiadepois had previously made lots of large deletions, which were reverted by others. I am reasonably satisfied that she is the subject of the article. Her first revert stated "Hello, I am the subject of this article. Some of the information is outdated and does not accurately reflect my current trajectory. I would like the article to be simplified, as I prefer to keep my personal and professional information on my official website. I kindly request the removal of excessive details and a more neutral, concise version of the article. Thank you for your time and consideration." Roundtheworld (talk) 09:49, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment For everyone else doing their searching, there was another woman named Margarida Fleming in the arts, but 100 years ago, just so you don't get confused like me :) Moritoriko (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Fleming appears to be notable enough based on coverage in Portuguese arts media. No nomination rationale is given here in this discussion page, but when Umdiadepois edited the page to place the AFD nomination, the edit summary was Nominating article for deletion – subject requests removal due to privacy, inaccuracy, and lack of notability. Umdiadepois has, in a prior edit summary, claimed to be Margarida Fleming. However, I don't believe Wikipedia is in the practice of removing articles simply based on the subject's request. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in the article that is derogatory or negative in any way, and even if there were, we could edit the article to correct that without deletion. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:03, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. I see broad support for redirecting the page. But without consensus against keeping it as a standalone article, a redirect cannot be picked as an alternative to retention. Owen× ☎ 15:49, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Untitled (Lee Kelly, 1973) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'll admit this one is pretty difficult to search for, but I don't think it's notable; the site for the capitol grounds appear to be the only real coverage of this piece of public art. Belongs on a list of the artist's works and a list of public art installations in the city. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 02:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep, the work is cited as being among the Washington Capitol collection, a prominent sculpture collection in the Northwest U.S. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:08, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- This appears to agree with the nominator that the collection is the subject. Uncle G (talk) 03:23, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of public art in Olympia, Washington, which Uncle G did a nice job touching up. The offical source is not even substantive. An artwork does not inherit notability from its location or the collection it's in, that's no basis for single-sentence, single-source pages. If the collection is prominent, you are welcome to expand Washington State Capitol#Art and monuments as well. Reywas92Talk 13:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per sources shared on the article's Talk page and now included as bare citations in the entry. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:29, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Give us one fact from those sources that is neither in the Washington State official blurb nor the Crooks book. (Hint: Historians can read newspapers, too.) Uncle G (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's not the standard for notability, but the first article says that the model for the statute was created in wood. A fact (among several at least) that's in the article and not in either the official blurb or Crooks. Jahaza (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- It's a way to evaluate the depths of the sources being waved around, which have been merely described as "this" and "a bit weak"; and notability is very much about the depth of sourcing. If you aren't looking for depth, you aren't doing it right. Uncle G (talk) 23:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Ok ... But no response to the fact that the articles do contain facts not found in Crooks or the official blurb? Jahaza (talk) 20:51, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- It's a way to evaluate the depths of the sources being waved around, which have been merely described as "this" and "a bit weak"; and notability is very much about the depth of sourcing. If you aren't looking for depth, you aren't doing it right. Uncle G (talk) 23:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's not the standard for notability, but the first article says that the model for the statute was created in wood. A fact (among several at least) that's in the article and not in either the official blurb or Crooks. Jahaza (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Give us one fact from those sources that is neither in the Washington State official blurb nor the Crooks book. (Hint: Historians can read newspapers, too.) Uncle G (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep the coverage seems to have happened because of the prominent location of the work, but the coverage exists. Jahaza (talk) 17:06, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of public art in Olympia, Washington. There doesn't seem to be any specific notability guidelines for pieces of art but looking at the guidelines for music and books and making my own suggests that this sculpture doesn't meet what I would expect is needed, following from what Reywas92 said. this is the only source of the newspapers that actually discusses the sculpture in depth. The Washington State blurb is what I would consider primary. I do not recommend redirecting to List of works by Lee Kelly which I think is the other possible target because many of his works are titled Untitled, it would just be confusing. Moritoriko (talk) 02:33, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of public art in Olympia, Washington: per Reywas92. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep This easily passes general notability guideline. The article has four sources, all of which are both reliable and in-depth coverage, the three newspaper articles are undoubtedly independent, whether the Washington State government website is independent is a matter of opinion. The sources show sustained coverage being from three different dates: 1969 (2), 1973 (1), present day (1).-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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Visual arts - Proposed deletions
- Dallas Contemporary (via WP:PROD on 3 November 2024)