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The result was draftify. (non-admin closure) — Benison (Beni · talk) 03:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Parbad Kali Mandir (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article on a temple does not satisfy general notability with its current references, and has been moved to article space after being declined at AFC, and then was moved to draft space and back to article space twice. Review of the sources shows that they are not independent.
Number | Reference | Remarks | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
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1 | Jagran (in Hindi) | About renovation of the temple. Appears to be an interview between the news and the temple. | No | Yes | Yes | No |
2 | Youtube (in Hindi) | Youtube | Probably not | Don't know | No | No |
3 | www.livehindustan.com | About renovation of the temple. Reads like a release from the template. | No | Yes, just barely. | Yes | No |
4 | hindi.news18.com | News article about the significance and popularity of the Kali Temple in Deoghar | No | Yes, just barely. | Yes | No |
5 | www.livehindustan.com | About the history of the temple. Appears to have been written by the temple. | No | Yes | Yes | No |
Better sources probably can be found, but the article is still not ready for article space.
- Draftify as nominator, to be moved into article space ONLY by AFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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- I would like to formally express my opposition to the deletion of the article on Parbad Kali Mandir. I believe that this temple holds significant historical, cultural, and religious importance, and deserves to be included on Wikipedia. While the sources currently cited may not meet the ideal reliability standards, I am in the process of gathering additional, more authoritative references that can help demonstrate its notability.
- The temple is not only an important religious site for the local community, but it also holds cultural significance, and I am confident that better sources can be found to back these claims. The current sources, while they may appear promotional or limited in scope, offer a starting point. I am more than willing to contribute further to the article to ensure that it meets Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and neutrality.
- I kindly request that the deletion be reconsidered, and the article be allowed to remain in article space while I work on improving the content and references. Additionally, I would be open to collaborating with other editors to strengthen the article’s foundation and ensure that it meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines.
- Thank you for your understanding and consideration. 2405:201:A400:725C:A023:F99E:F4C2:22D7 (talk) 12:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Can you explain how this is an interview? Yes, there is an accompanying news video that involves interviewing someone, but the news article itself doesn't appear to be an interview. And it is explicitly about the history of the temple. SilverserenC 06:49, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- I am writing to express deep concern and strong opposition to the deletion of the article on Parbad Kali Mandir. This temple is not just a structure of stone; it represents the heart and soul of a community that holds it dear. For those who are connected to it, Parbad Kali Mandir is a place of spiritual importance, cultural richness, and historical significance.
- It deeply saddens me to see that such a meaningful and revered place might be erased from the pages of Wikipedia due to issues of notability. Parbad Kali Mandir is more than just a local landmark—it is a symbol of devotion, a living history that has shaped generations. This temple has been a site of prayer, peace, and reflection for countless people, and its significance goes far beyond what is easily captured in a few sources.
- I understand that Wikipedia requires reliable and independent sources, but the cultural weight this temple carries in the region is undeniable. The lack of independent, scholarly articles on it does not diminish its true value. To erase this article would not just be the deletion of a page, but the erasure of a piece of history that holds deep emotional and spiritual ties for so many.
- I sincerely ask for your compassion and understanding. Rather than deletion, I urge you to allow this article to remain in article space. With the support of the Wikipedia community, this entry can be improved, expanded, and enriched to meet the required standards, all while preserving the essence of what makes Parbad Kali Mandir so important to so many.
- Please reconsider, and let the memory of this sacred site live on, not just for those who know it, but for future generations to understand its significance.
- Thank you for your time and consideration. 2405:201:A400:725C:A023:F99E:F4C2:22D7 (talk) 12:34, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- If you can find additional news sources (or published books) covering the temple in Hindi or just other Indian news sources we were unable to find, that would be helpful. SilverserenC 16:03, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify or Delete. I was the second AFC reviewer for this page. I declined the draft because of no significant coverage just as it was declined by previous AFC reviewer. Sources were poor and unreliable. Creator then moved the draft to mainspace without following up on feedback. It was reverted but the creator moved it back again to mainspace. I still do not see any improvement to pass notability. If draftied, I would suggest a move lock. RangersRus (talk) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Could you address and explain the sources more directly then, RangersRus? Because the table up above seems incorrect in multiple aspects and I don't see anything about the sources being "poor and unreliable". Could you explain what you mean by that? As they seem like normal news articles about a location. SilverserenC 00:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Youtube is unreliable and live hindustan reliability is questionable. Jagran and News18 are poor with no reliable significant coverage. Jagran article is on renovation of the temple and need for 1 crore rupee for it. News18 disclaimer for the story based on legends, says "The information given in this news has been written after talking to astrologers and acharyas on the basis of zodiac sign, religion and scriptures. Any incident, accident or profit or loss is just a coincidence. Information from astrologers is in everyone's interest. Local-18 does not personally endorse anything stated." One of the livehindustan article is also on same legends and mythology, and these news also reads like "Paid news and undisclosed advertorials" per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. RangersRus (talk) 01:09, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Could you address and explain the sources more directly then, RangersRus? Because the table up above seems incorrect in multiple aspects and I don't see anything about the sources being "poor and unreliable". Could you explain what you mean by that? As they seem like normal news articles about a location. SilverserenC 00:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Draftify per AFC reviewers, if the editor thinks they can improve it then draftspace is the right place for it. I agree that it's not yet ready for mainspace but that better sources, if they can be found, would do the trick. Meadowlark (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify Not yet ready for mainspace. Though I will say an IP made the page. Who's draft space would this go to? Ramos1990 (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Ramos1990, draftspace doesn't belong to anyone - it'll just be Draft:Pardbad Kali Mandir, and anyone can work on it. IPs create and submit drafts all the time! Meadowlark (talk) 03:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ah I see. Thank you very much for explaining that! Ramos1990 (talk) 04:25, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Ramos1990, draftspace doesn't belong to anyone - it'll just be Draft:Pardbad Kali Mandir, and anyone can work on it. IPs create and submit drafts all the time! Meadowlark (talk) 03:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:47, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Bernd Sikora (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested prod without improvement. Currently sourcing does not show they pass WP:GNG, and searches did not turn up with enough in-depth sourcing from independent, reliable sources to show they meet GNG. And they do not appear to meet WP:NSCHOLAR either. Onel5969 TT me 14:47, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Leaning Keep - has a German-speaker done WP:BEFORE? Most/all sources will be in German. Johnbod (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Looking at the history of this article, it appears to be a translation of the poorly sourced German article https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Sikora. No sources there to help sustain the biographical information and claims made in the article. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I have revisited this article several times. I've made some edits, but am unable to find RS to show notability. Sikora designed an observation tower and a footbridge. The sourcing for this information is miriquidimedia.de (Miriquidi Media), which looks to be a site about Sikora that promotes his books, project and tours. I don't think it can be considered an independent source. The citation for the biographical information is a dead link. The listing for books have citations that don't link anywhere, just hyperlink for ISBN and hyperlink to the Wikipedia pages of the German region the book covers. I have not found anything on the internet to show notability. The fact that there might be something somewhere in German needs to survive WP:BURDEN --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:36, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Goldsztajn (talk) 23:03, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Aghamohammad Garden House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Completely and utterly fails the notability requirement for places (Wikipedia:Notability (places)). Almost no info about it anywhere under the name listed on Wikipedia. Removing the word garden gets some more sites, but still no outside coverage by any notable sites. The whole article is also blatantly promotional. Gaismagorm (talk) 18:15, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, bad article.AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 18:23, 23 April 2025 (UTC)AnonymousScholar49
- Delete, no referencing --Kentuckyfriedtucker (talk) 22:56, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails notability. Procyon117 (talk) 13:19, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete There are no RSes, for all we know this could all be made up. If sufficient sources can be provided that is a different story. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Insufficient coverage by independent, reliable secondary sources to pass WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete As per nomination. Clearly fails WP:GNG. WikiMentor01 (talk) 10:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:41, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Occupancy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not a dictionary. Qwirkle (talk) 01:20, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as DICTDEF. Carrite (talk) 02:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.--Launchballer 02:47, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Weak delete: I feel that the article is not entirely a dictionary definition and that there is room for encyclopedic expansion, particularly in the "building codes" section. However, the article in its current state is not well sourced or especially useful. If this is deleted, it should be without prejudice towards a better encyclopedic article on the topic existing in the future. silviaASH (inquire within) 02:52, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, but no prejudice to draftify. When I initially saw the page, I thought that it could be kept. Turned out it is primarily about the word "occupancy" rather than about the concept of occupancy, especially with the section "other meanings". But I think it has the potential to be a better article, it just needs time.
- Dr. Hyde, muahahaha jekyllthefabulous (speak, or you shall die) 05:58, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- I was working on a draft about the concept of vacant buildings (they have a lot of unique challenges like abandonment, squatting, reuse, pest control) that I was probably going to include in this article instead. Usually we don't delete articles just because they're bad but have the potential to be better (there's WP:TNT but I don't think it's at that level of unsaveable). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was keep. No deletion rationale provided here or support for a deletion of this article. Liz Read! Talk! 22:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Margarida Fleming (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Neutral. As the original author of the article I do not accept suggestions that the article is inaccurate. To the best of my knowledge the complainant has not provided any examples of inaccuracies. Further, there are a large number of citations given. The fact that these sources are freely available rather challenges the complainant's request for privacy. I probably prepared the article after seeing a list of the "Top Ten Most Inspiring Portuguese Women",[1] which to me does not suggest a lack of notability, although I would agree that the subject, despite the quality of her work, is not in the first rank of Portuguese artists and her inclusion on Wikipedia cannot be considered essential. Roundtheworld (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
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- ^ "Top 10 Most Inspiring Portuguese Women". Discover Walks. Retrieved 21 April 2025.
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- Question: Of the fourteen sources currently in the article, which one(s) are not blogs, user-submitted content, sales sites or primary sources? In other words, which are secondary reliable sources that are fully independent from the person? Netherzone (talk) 23:07, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Question 2: OK, I'm confused. The nominator, Roundtheworld, who started this AfD says they are the original author, but are neutral about deletion. However the article history says that the editor, Umdiadepois, nominated the article for deletion according to their user contributions,[1] and they claim to be the the subject of the article, although there is no proof of that. Roundtheworld could you, when you find a moment, please explain what's going on, I'm confused. Thank you, Netherzone (talk) 23:27, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- No, I did not start the AFD. I responded to a notification that the page had been started. Umdiadepois had previously made lots of large deletions, which were reverted by others. I am reasonably satisfied that she is the subject of the article. Her first revert stated "Hello, I am the subject of this article. Some of the information is outdated and does not accurately reflect my current trajectory. I would like the article to be simplified, as I prefer to keep my personal and professional information on my official website. I kindly request the removal of excessive details and a more neutral, concise version of the article. Thank you for your time and consideration." Roundtheworld (talk) 09:49, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for explaining, now I understand. Umdiadepois may well be the subject, however, because this is a BLP, I think there is a procedure that has to occur to prove that they are who they say they are. If I'm not mistaken, they need to file an email ticket with WP:VRT that gets reviewed by a team member and assigned a number. I'm pinging @Star Mississippi for her guidance. (BTW, I have no opinion on Fleming's notability at this time.) Netherzone (talk) 13:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks @Netherzone for the ping. NZ, @Roundtheworld while that's the best route if Fleming wants to edit the article or under their name, it's not mandatory for us to consider this deletion discussion. They're welcome to open the discussion or weigh in and if they have specific privacy concerns about material, they should reach out to VRT/OTRS. No comment on notability as I haven't had a chance to dive in and it's late here @Justlettersandnumbers @Barkeep49 is there anything we're missing here? Star Mississippi 03:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- I think participants in this discussion, including any closer(s), are welcome to consider how to weight the request from an unverified account for purposes of Wikipedia:BLPREQUESTDELETE. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:40, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks @Netherzone for the ping. NZ, @Roundtheworld while that's the best route if Fleming wants to edit the article or under their name, it's not mandatory for us to consider this deletion discussion. They're welcome to open the discussion or weigh in and if they have specific privacy concerns about material, they should reach out to VRT/OTRS. No comment on notability as I haven't had a chance to dive in and it's late here @Justlettersandnumbers @Barkeep49 is there anything we're missing here? Star Mississippi 03:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for explaining, now I understand. Umdiadepois may well be the subject, however, because this is a BLP, I think there is a procedure that has to occur to prove that they are who they say they are. If I'm not mistaken, they need to file an email ticket with WP:VRT that gets reviewed by a team member and assigned a number. I'm pinging @Star Mississippi for her guidance. (BTW, I have no opinion on Fleming's notability at this time.) Netherzone (talk) 13:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- No, I did not start the AFD. I responded to a notification that the page had been started. Umdiadepois had previously made lots of large deletions, which were reverted by others. I am reasonably satisfied that she is the subject of the article. Her first revert stated "Hello, I am the subject of this article. Some of the information is outdated and does not accurately reflect my current trajectory. I would like the article to be simplified, as I prefer to keep my personal and professional information on my official website. I kindly request the removal of excessive details and a more neutral, concise version of the article. Thank you for your time and consideration." Roundtheworld (talk) 09:49, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment For everyone else doing their searching, there was another woman named Margarida Fleming in the arts, but 100 years ago, just so you don't get confused like me :) Moritoriko (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Fleming appears to be notable enough based on coverage in Portuguese arts media. No nomination rationale is given here in this discussion page, but when Umdiadepois edited the page to place the AFD nomination, the edit summary was Nominating article for deletion – subject requests removal due to privacy, inaccuracy, and lack of notability. Umdiadepois has, in a prior edit summary, claimed to be Margarida Fleming. However, I don't believe Wikipedia is in the practice of removing articles simply based on the subject's request. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in the article that is derogatory or negative in any way, and even if there were, we could edit the article to correct that without deletion. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:03, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Robust consensus that as an NRHP contributing property it is a notable subject. Any necessary cleanup and improvements can be handled editorially. (non-admin closure) Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Carter-Newton House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article seems to function as an extended family history related to the Carter-Newton House, rather than an encyclopedic entry about a notable subject. It suffers from a near-complete lack of reliable, independent sources, making the vast majority of its content unverifiable (WP:V) and potentially original research (WP:OR) by a user whose name implies a relation to the owners. Article fails to establish the notability (WP:N) of the house, appearing more like a genealogical record (WP:NOTGENEALOGY). — Arcaist (contr—talk) 13:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - I agree it’s written like a poor novella, and is very weakly-sourced. But an 1840s house in the US is likely notable, and there is an indication it’s on the National Register. KJP1 (talk) 20:06, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - It could use more sourcing, but that in and of itself is not a hindrance. Please see Category:Houses on the National Register of Historic Places in Georgia (U.S. state) Properties on the NRHP are notable, all of them. The screening review process of such properties is repeated on several levels, beginning with the local reviews, city and perhaps even state level. The final review is the federal National Register of Historic Places, scrutinized in detail. And, yes, the initial NRHP review does often include historic details of the property and owners of the property. Some Wikipedians are better at putting the details together than others.The editor who wrote this article is no longer active on Wikipedia. — Maile (talk) 03:23, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't disagree, but it's worth noting that I can't find any information online that this building is on the NRHP - the link on the page leads to a different building (Bonar Hall), which is individually registered. Carter-Newton might be part of the Historic District, but that includes many buildings, and presumably we're not arguing that every single house in such an area needs its own page, especially if there are basically no sources on it? Of course, I might just not be researching in the right place. — Arcaist (contr—talk) 12:41, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that also. I've been looking for a correct source link, but these old NRHP references are hard to find. So far, I haven't had much except a mention in Pg 27 Section 8 1st paragraph. — Maile (talk) 17:03, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- It depends on the state, and NRHP sites in Georgia were scanned a few years ago. The link is in the NRHP info box, here. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:33, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Scratch that - this house is in a NRHP historic district - the link is not to this house. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Exactly. To me, just being in a Historic District doesn't mean an individual building is automatically notable. >95% of the 'information' on the page just sounds like family hearsay, and once we cut all of that, there's basically nothing left. Thus my nomination. — Arcaist (contr—talk) 20:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Scratch that - this house is in a NRHP historic district - the link is not to this house. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- It depends on the state, and NRHP sites in Georgia were scanned a few years ago. The link is in the NRHP info box, here. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:33, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that also. I've been looking for a correct source link, but these old NRHP references are hard to find. So far, I haven't had much except a mention in Pg 27 Section 8 1st paragraph. — Maile (talk) 17:03, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't disagree, but it's worth noting that I can't find any information online that this building is on the NRHP - the link on the page leads to a different building (Bonar Hall), which is individually registered. Carter-Newton might be part of the Historic District, but that includes many buildings, and presumably we're not arguing that every single house in such an area needs its own page, especially if there are basically no sources on it? Of course, I might just not be researching in the right place. — Arcaist (contr—talk) 12:41, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - Properties on the NRHP are notable (including contributing properties).Djflem (talk) 20:36, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I agree with the other comments, it could use more sources though. I went through and trimmed a ton of unneeded family history to try and focus on the house and the people that lived in it. Moritoriko (talk) 03:49, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - It is on the National Register of Historic Places, so it is notable. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:42, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep On quick search there appears reasonable coverage meeting criteria for notability. Agreeing above conversation. WikiMentor01 (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was keep. With thanks to the editors who managed to sort out the mess. asilvering (talk) 02:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Stefanos Sinos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Deprodded without improvement. Current sourcing does not show notability, and searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to show they pass WP:GNG, and with a high citation count of a whopping 11, and not seeming to meet any of the other criteria, does not meet WP:NSCHOLAR. Onel5969 TT me 22:25, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. I can't find notability in GNG or Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC).
- Per comments below and Talk, the original article has been somewhat improved and the subject's notability is now more clearly visible. Perhaps you could have another look. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:01, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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Delete: The Gbooks link above shows several volumes either citing or discussing this author, in English and German. He worked on the Parthenon among other things, I'd say these show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)- Can you clarify please? Bearian (talk) 03:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Why is your vote for delete while the comment seems to be in favour of keeping? Moritoriko (talk) 03:52, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b: You say above that
these show notability
. With this in mind, could you please clarify your !vote or restate your view? Also, some of the deficiencies of the original article have now been improved, so perhaps you wouldn't mind taking another look? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:56, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep sorry, I clicked on the wrong button. We have enough for a small article and the items I mentioned in my comment show critical notice. Should have enough for a weak keep. Oaktree b (talk) 13:06, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't speak Greek, but I suspect that we may be applying our RS criteria only for English sources here. There seems to be more – and quite possibly enough to justify keeping the article – in Greek about Στέφανος Σίνος (e.g., a number of books, various articles including this one showing Sinos giving a tour of Mystras to Giscard d'Estaing, etc.). I think we may want to pause and look a bit deeper. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment (2): Further to the above, we have two entities on wikidata (d:Q113809331 and d:Q131292844), which I suspect may actually be the same person. If you look at a few of the entries in the first (such as the American Academy), the date ranges seems to correspond more closely to the subject of the second – which is to say, the subject of this discussion (I've depreciated the 1900 dob in the Wikidata record as a precaution). This needs more work, but it seems like it also points towards keeping the article (and tagging it with the appropriate maintenance tags, etc.). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- PS: The two Wikidata entities have now been merged (confirmed as same person) resulting in correct display of the various Authority Control databases in which Sinos appears (NB: w:Template:Authority control configured with "expanded" parameter for the duration of this discussion). This adds further weight to the argument for keeping and improving the article. It may be difficult to find English language sources (for myriad reasons), although his last book on the Archaeological Site of Mystras seems to have been either written in or translated into English. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Per comments above. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep I would think that Sinos could qualify for NProf via criteron 1, has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, with the books that I am seeing published. I don't know how citation counters work but from what I know I think they tend to focus on papers instead of books? (please correct my misunderstandings). And following from Cl3phact0's research above. Moritoriko (talk) 04:00, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Citation numbers apply to books also. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC).
- I agree that the case for NPROF appears fairly strong. Also, in addition to the Mystras book (and the several decades of work it documents), his book on pre-modern architecture looks as if may be a standard university textbook on the subject (according to the publisher, it was reprinted as recently as 2023). I haven't yet looked for more about the older publications, as I'd rather prefer to spend my time on other articles until the outcome of this AfD has been decided. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:41, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The list of publications appears to indicate notability in the fields of archaeology and architecture. Is there any reason why they shouldn't? P Aculeius (talk) 15:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Not that I can see. However, I will say, in deference to the original nom, that it was (is) exceedingly difficult to make sense of or even decode the relevant references and citations, most of which were literally in Greek at the outset of this process. Sinos's notability was very much obscured by this fact (as well as the messy data at Wikidata – now somewhat rectified). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The article has been incrementally improved. As such (and prior to pouring too much more time into it), per discussion on Talk, I'm requesting that the original nominator et al. re-evaluate the nom based on current state of affairs and
my beliefthe evidence that NPROF is now a valid justification for keeping this article. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 18:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Archaeology-related deletion discussions. Cl3phact0 (talk) 20:14, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:47, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Foresters House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article about an office building, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for office buildings. As always, buildings are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage and analysis of their architectural, historical, social or cultural significance -- but this doesn't make any meaningful notability claim over and above existing, and is referenced almost entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability. The only reliable source present here at all is an insurance industry trade magazine, which is here solely to tangentially verify the name of the company's CEO rather than supporting any information about the building in its own right.
Since it's the headquarters of a company that does have an article under WP:CORP terms, any information we need about its head office can easily be contained in the company's article -- but in order to qualify for its own standalone article as a separate topic from the company, it would need a much stronger notability claim, and much better sourcing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 19:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Does not appear to have sufficient notability to pass WP:NBUILD. m a MANÍ1990(talk | contribs) 23:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Does not appear notable, could not find any meaningful sources. silviaASH (inquire within) 06:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Articles about designated heritage buildings is something that we should be expanding on Wikipedia. This is a prominent and very well-known building - you even see mention of it in fiction, such as [ short stories] by Austin Clarke. There has been coverage over the last half-century, such as this significant trade article when it was sold in 2022. There was national media coverage when it was constructed, such as in the Globe and Mail (ProQuest 1270450320). Even if the article isn't deemed worthy of inclusion, it's most certainly should be merged and/or redirected to Foresters Financial. Nfitz (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- If it is a designated heritage building then it passes WP:GEOFEAT. But I can't see any evidence that it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- There's a document on intent to designate [2], but I'm not sure if it was actually designated or not. MarioGom (talk) 14:10, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- If it is a designated heritage building then it passes WP:GEOFEAT. But I can't see any evidence that it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
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Delete: Not a listed heritage building, so no listing there to help. I don't see news articles about this place, appears to be just another high rise in Toronto. No real sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- put the wrong address in, it's listed under Part IV of the Ontario Heritage Act. [3], but that's not enough for sourcing. Let's see what else we can find. Oaktree b (talk) 00:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Lengthy heritage study attached to the by-law [4]. Coverage here [5], column down on the left, suggests there is coverage of this in a book about the architect. Oaktree b (talk) 00:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was delete. The "keeps" are unsubstantiated by evidence in this AfD - if !voters find sources that conclusively demonstrate SIGCOV, they need to be provided here. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Stanley Shaftel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Can't find enough in-depth coverage from independent sources to show they pass GNG. The two obits are paid spots. Onel5969 TT me 13:47, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. All I can find is brief mentions of him in real estate notices as the architect of a house or housing estate, and brief quotes from him about the features of his designs. None of this amounts to the significant coverage needed for WP:GNG or WP:NCREATIVE notability. And his academic position does not have any evidence of WP:PROF notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:54, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: More than a trivial amount of mentions in older architectural magazines [6], book mentions [7]. Clicking on the Gbooks link above brings up many mentions. Oaktree b (talk) 18:04, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- Your first link appears from its thumbnail to be a business directory and does not allow me to see more than the thumbnail. Your second is exactly the sort of thing I meant by "brief mentions of him in real estate notices as the architect of a house or housing estate"; I do not think it constitutes in-depth coverage. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:56, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I agree that if you just click on "Find Sources" on this nomination template, several options are there to find the sources. — Maile (talk) 00:40, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per David Eppstein, and own search. did not find significant coverage to establish GNG or NCREATIVE. Would be helpful if keep !voters could link some of the coverage they allude to. Eddie891 Talk Work 08:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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