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[edit]- Boxer Indemnity Scholarship (United Kingdom) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lack of notability with extremely little content, with what little content can be moved to the US version's article with its own section. Current page title not useful as a redirect. Go D. Usopp (talk) 07:18, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Yi Shi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:COI or WP:PE, with lots of PR spam sources. Tim (talk) 14:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: sources present in the article are enough to indicate he is notable ([1] [2] [3] at least). Cremastra (talk) 16:40, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Cremastra that last Forbes source was written by a contributor rather than staff so usually not considered RS per WP:FORBESCON. S0091 (talk) 16:47, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping; you're right. There's this as well though, from the Chinese edition of Fortune (magazine). Cremastra (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Cremastra the Chinese edition is a different publisher from Fortune (magazine) so does not have the same editorial oversight. You can see the difference by looking at https://fortune.com/about-us/ vs. https://www.fortunechina.com/first/c/2008-02/21/content_4825.htm. S0091 (talk) 17:35, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping; you're right. There's this as well though, from the Chinese edition of Fortune (magazine). Cremastra (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- These Forbes lists contain only borderline sigcov. Source 2 is a school interviewing one of its alumni (so not independent) and source 3 is WP:FORBESCON. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Cremastra that last Forbes source was written by a contributor rather than staff so usually not considered RS per WP:FORBESCON. S0091 (talk) 16:47, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - This is just a Gish gallop of trivial or promotional sources; there has also been a history here of using fake/SEO sources by a UDPE. I see Forbes contributor blogs, Entrepreneur contributor blogs, a VentureBeat contributor blog written by our favorite PR/SEO spammer Jon Stojan, user-generated material from LinkedIn, trivial directory listings, stories about the companies that don't mention the person (or mention him trivially), and so on. There are a few interviews, but those are hardly independent when establishing notability. Are there any examples of significant and independent sources? I was not able to locate anything searching externally, but that could be complicated by many others that share the same name, and a lot of self-serving PR that hides real sources. Sam Kuru (talk) 21:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Just a disclaimer: I'm an employee at one of his companies and thus have a conflict of interest in this article. However, I’d like to add some independent references to address concerns about notability raised by the deletion rationale:
- https://www.forbes.com/profile/shi-yi/
- https://www.zaobao.com.sg/sme/sme-interview/story20170921-796955
- https://mothership.sg/2018/06/shi-yi-obike-founder/
- https://mothership.sg/2018/07/obike-founder-shi-yi-sorry/
- https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/21/all-in-one-sales-tech-platform-flashintel-raises-10-million/
- https://www.fortunechina.com/detail/people/4040/2016/236/shiyi.htm
- https://www.fortunechina.com/detail/people/4040/2023/26/shiyi.htm
- Ultimately its up to the administrator to decide whether the page should be kept or not and I don't want to comment on his notability. 2601:645:8400:870:C590:2D13:2AA3:6038 (talk) 23:05, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: per Kuru's assessment of the sources along with my own. S0091 (talk) 17:10, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
- Wong, Kim Hoh (2017-10-01). "It Changed My Life: Health crisis opened oBike founder's eyes to China's potential". The Sunday Times. Archived from the original on 2024-12-07. Retrieved 2025-07-20.
The article notes: "However, Mr Shi - who wears nerdy glasses and sports a boyish mop of hair - is anything but an unremarkable, run-of-the-mill millennial. Only 28, he has been on Forbes' list of the 30 most important entrepreneurs under the age of 30 in China since 2014. ... He is the founder of DotC United Group, which has several global business platforms: digital advertising, mobile games, app development as well as an investment fund for mobile start-ups. ... In addition, he founded several other businesses, including local bike-sharing firm oBike, which has a market presence in 11 countries. ... The elder of two sons, he was born in Shanghai in 1989. In the same year, his father, a former translator and interpreter, left for Germany to study German and English literature. He was joined by his wife two years later. Mr Shi was raised by his maternal grandparents until he was 11, when he left Shanghai to be with his parents, who were then running a Chinese restaurant in the town of Neu-Ulm."
- Huang, Kangwei 黄康玮 (2017-09-21). "选择新加坡"骑"上创业之路" [Choosing Singapore to 'Ride' onto the Road of Entrepreneurship]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2025-07-20. Retrieved 2025-07-20.
The article notes: "其中一名创办人是28岁的石一,他是科技公司Avazu Holding的创办人,三度入选《福布斯》中文版“中国30位30岁以下创业者”名单,也登上2016年《财富》“中国40位40岁以下商界精英”榜单。... 在德国法兰克福大学修读计算机科学的他,读了两年就毅然决定辍学,开始走上创业之路,如今成为身价不菲的企业家,显然是有幸运之神长期眷顾。"
From Google Translate: "One of the founders is 28-year-old Shi Yi, the founder of technology company Avazu Holding. He has been selected three times by the Chinese version of Forbes as one of the "30 Chinese Entrepreneurs Under 30" and was also listed in the 2016 Fortune "40 Chinese Business Elites Under 40". ... He studied computer science at the University of Frankfurt in Germany, but decided to drop out after two years and start his own business. Now he has become a wealthy entrepreneur, which shows that he has been blessed by the god of luck for a long time."
- Li, Keda 李柯达; Wu, Yanzi 吴燕子; Xu, Yimin 徐逸敏; Fang, Xu 房旭 (2014-02-27). "群星档案:2014年中国30位30岁以下创业者" [Rising Stars Profile: 30 Under 30 Entrepreneurs in China (2014)]. Forbes China (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2014-03-02. Retrieved 2025-07-20.
The article notes: "石一2009年在德国建立Avazu Inc,他希望通过大数据,让互联网和移动互联网广告变得更精准,让广告商按照通过广告活动带来的最终销量或者新增用户进行付款。"
From Google Translate: "Shi Yi founded Avazu Inc in Germany in 2009. He hopes to make Internet and mobile Internet advertising more accurate through big data, allowing advertisers to pay according to the final sales or new users brought by advertising activities."
- "用石一的方式理解石一" [Understanding Shi Yi in Shi Yi's Own Way] (in Chinese). Phoenix Television. 2017-08-03. Archived from the original on 2025-07-21. Retrieved 2025-07-21.
The article notes: "12 岁只身留学德国,14岁开始管理BBS,16 岁赚取人生的第一桶金,18岁就读德国法兰克福大学计算机科学与技术专业,19岁创办广告投放公司 Avazu,24 岁入选《福布斯》“中国 30 位 30 岁以下创业者”名单,25岁身家超20亿元,27 岁登上《财富》 “中国 40 位 40 岁以下商界精英”榜单,28岁先后荣登《福布斯》全球版“亚洲30位30岁以下青年才俊榜”和“中国30位30岁以下青年才俊榜”"
From Google Translate: "Studying in Germany alone at the age of 12, managing BBS at the age of 14, earning the first pot of gold at the age of 16, studying computer science and technology at the University of Frankfurt in Germany at the age of 18, founding the advertising company Avazu at the age of 19, being selected into the list of "30 Chinese Entrepreneurs Under 30" by Forbes at the age of 24, having a net worth of over 2 billion yuan at the age of 25, and being listed in the list of "Fortune China 40 Under 40" at the age of 27. At the age of 28, he was listed in the "30 Young Talents Under 30 in Asia" and "30 Young Talents Under 30 in China" of the "Forbes Global Edition"......"
- Sheng Liang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet WP:NBIO, not much WP:SIGCOV in independent sources. I don't know if cloud.com counts as "a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record". TurboSuperA+(talk) 09:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment There is a suitable redirect target: Apache CloudStack. The article subject is mentioned in the History section. Pavlor (talk) 11:53, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Citrix post is WP:PASSING mention. Selective content can be merged into Apache CloudStack. Caleb Stanford (talk) 17:35, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I was unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources about Sheng Liang. I support a merge/redirect to Apache CloudStack per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion as suggested by Pavlor and Caleb Stanford. Cunard (talk) 01:19, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hunan–Jiangxi Soviet (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Entirely unsourced and could probably be merged into Jiangxi Soviet or Autumn Harvest Uprising. Also, there is no Chinese-language version of this article, which is curiously odd. Amigao (talk) 21:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete as apparent SYNTH. Mccapra (talk) 05:11, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment There is government sourcing that satisfies WP:V: [4]. I saw a bit better sourcing when using searching for "Hunan-Jiangxi revolutionary base area" (in Chinese) so that's a possible path to keeping. Jumpytoo Talk 05:33, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment After reviewing Autumn Harvest Uprising, it seems like Hunan is heavily covered there. If it is decided to merge and any new information can be properly sourced, it feels like this would be the better of the two articles you mentioned.
- Rumors about the removal of Xi Jinping (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per WP:RUMOR. Rumors about Xi's removal have flared up periodically almost every year (does anyone remember the coup rumors of 2022?). Article seems to be LLM generated, large parts of it is uncited, and almost none of the sources really confirm what the article says (indeed, some argue against any rumors). The Account 2 (talk) 18:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Support. Strong sense of being LLM-generated pet theory material. JArthur1984 (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: I'm not sure what this is, appears a SYNTH, the last two sources are about a loss of power, not particularly about a removal. The others pick certain items in the text to paint a picture that isn't supported by the article. Could be a brief mention in the article about the person, but nothing for notability. LLM usage is also concerning. Oaktree b (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. - Amigao (talk) 21:05, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per reasons given. As additional notes, I'm also getting an LLM vibe; the
As one commentator in The Australian observed:
bit is so stiff. Also the tone of this writing does not match this user's other writings. And relatively poor sourcing. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 22:29, 15 July 2025 (UTC)- Ahh wait the user admitted it's ChatGPT generated. [5] grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Why do people think LLM usage is good or acceptable? Its so infuriating. Metallurgist (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ahh wait the user admitted it's ChatGPT generated. [5] grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy delete LLM junk and baseless speculation, poor sourcing. Metallurgist (talk) 22:35, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - very clearly LLM-generated, plus I can only echo all of the aforementioned concerns re. poor sourcing and synthesis. Patient Zerotalk 23:12, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - While I think one theoretically could write a proper article about this subject, this mess is likely entirely LLM-generated, and unsalvageable in this form. This is a WP:TNT situation, I feel. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:42, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- I'll also note, for posterity's sake, that the editor -- or more realistically, the LLM -- is participating in a whole bunch of WP:SYNTH as well. Most of the sources are real, but in many, the link to a possible removal seem to be argued by the LLM, not a reporting of the sources connecting those dots. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:45, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Now that the LLM generated content looks to be gone, we're left with a bare article without any references. I agree with the last comment, it should be started over; no sense in keeping it around for now. UmbyUmbreon (talk) 01:48, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Why are such clear pieces of evidence being ignored, especially when they focus so obviously on the Xi Jinping ouster rumors and come from the most authoritative sources?
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- [12] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Packer25 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Did you really just call two deprecated sources and four AI content farms "the most authoritative sources"? Yue🌙 21:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- If you search "Xi Jinping ouster" on Google, or search for "시진핑 실각설" in Korean, one finds hundreds of articles focused entirely on the rumor itself, making it impossible to reasonably claim that the topic lacks notability under Wikipedia standards. The evidence is overwhelming. Even if this page is deleted, I sincerely ask that the content be merged into the main Xi Jinping article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Packer25 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- We're not claiming a lack of notability, it's the synthesis and the poor sourcing that was present. Oaktree b (talk) 13:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nope, definitely claiming lack of notability here. A rumour sourced to deprecated sources and AI slop is definitely not notable. Yue🌙 21:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- We're not claiming a lack of notability, it's the synthesis and the poor sourcing that was present. Oaktree b (talk) 13:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: WP:NOTNEWS drivel, cited in part from an unreliable tabloid. Borgenland (talk) 04:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:STARTOVER. Seems like it’s snowing right now? Jumpytoo Talk 04:58, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per all of the above. Keivan.fTalk 06:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, all of the above, and WP:SNOW. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - needlessly offensive, and unreliable sourcing for what is a BLP. Bearian (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RUMOR. Grahaml35 (talk) 01:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- Li Qi (politician, born 1969) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to support meeting WP:GNG. Nor do they meet WP:POL. Onel5969 TT me 19:59, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete unless Chinese language sources are found. Current coverage does not show sigcov Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 20:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- All the sources cited in the article are Chinese language sources. - Amigao (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- I meant to say further sources. Two of these sources are decent and focus on what appears to be the same event. The others are not significant Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:21, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- All the sources cited in the article are Chinese language sources. - Amigao (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Keep meets NPOL by virtue of being a member of the 13th National People's Congress[13] This source and the political office are already in the zh.wikipedia article[14].Oblivy (talk) 05:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)- I could be incorrect, but I do not think this person is the same person as the one in the article you linked for zh wikipedia. They don't have the same name in latin or chinese characters. Li Qi is referred to as "he" while the 李静 article says she is female. They are listed with different birth months and represent separate provinces. This is not to say Li Qi is not notable, but that they aren't the same as the person you linked. Ike Lek (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Agree with Oblivy. He is holding a political position and based on the available references on zh.wikipedia. Gepeas (talk) 16:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - it could be the translation program, but there is no politician named Li Qi in the source provided by Oblivy. There's a "Li Qiang", a "Li Qiuxi", and a "Li Qilin". Using "李琦", the Chinese version in the current article, and an un-translated version of the article, yields zero results.Onel5969 TT me 19:34, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep I totally agree with Onel5969, sources cited in the article do not yield a result about any Li Qi. Cameremote (talk) @gonisulaimann 22:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, then why did you !vote keep? Onel5969 TT me 22:31, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: NPOL is a strong claim to notability but there seems to be some doubt whether this person meets it: there is evidence of mismatched identity
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde93 (talk) 02:29, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. I've added two more sources to the article. I think it barely meets GNG based on the sources now in the article. On the concerns about mistaken identity above, I agree that this article about the NPC does not seem to mention Li Qi; I can't find any evidence that he was in the NPC. The Chinese Wikipedia article linked above seems to be about a different person, Li Jing (李静) rather than Li Qi (李琦). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:35, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment agreed that is an article about a different person, from another province. Apologies and I've struck my above comment and vote. The guy was county party chairman and provincial trade union boss. Is that enough for NPOL? With respect, the sources added by @Mx. Granger are fantastic for verifiability but I don't see anyone talking independently about him. Oblivy (talk) 15:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Those positions would not meet NPOL, so GNG still needs to be shown Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 22:00, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:09, 21 July 2025 (UTC)- Keep meets GNG. I reviewed the article sources. @The Account 2: Thoughts?
- Czarking0 (talk) 17:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. In cases like this, I feel it's good to run a though experiment: if he was an American politician holding a roughly similar position, would he have been notable? There seems to be just enough sources covering him. The Account 2 (talk) 17:43, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- Lu Renjie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Almost all sources are typical press releases. 虹易 (talk) 00:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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- @Hongyi,
- I would like to respectfully address your repeated comments regarding "press releases" and "conflict of interest" on the Lu Renjie and Liu Jiakun articles:
- I have no conflict of interest with either subject. I am not related to Lu Renjie or Liu Jiakun, nor am I their representative, paid editor, or in any way connected. My only motivation is a genuine appreciation for Chinese art and architecture, and the belief that notable achievements in Chinese culture deserve proper documentation on Wikipedia.
- The notability guideline (WP:GNG) is based on significant, reliable, independent coverage. In both cases—especially for Liu Jiakun—there is substantial coverage in mainstream and reputable media. For example, Liu Jiakun was just awarded the Pritzker Prize, the most prestigious honor in global architecture (after I.M. Pei and Wang Shu, he is the third Chinese laureate). This is equivalent to a Nobel Prize in the field, which clearly demonstrates significance by any reasonable standard.
- If there are any issues with article quality or sources, Wikipedia encourages editors to improve the content constructively, not to assume bad faith or seek deletion of carefully developed articles. If you see shortcomings, please suggest specific improvements or add more reliable sources.
- Once again, I confirm I have no personal or financial relationship with either subject. My only interest is in improving Wikipedia's coverage of important figures in Chinese culture.
- Thank you for your attention. I welcome any good-faith collaboration to further enhance the quality and neutrality of these articles. Miercat (talk) 12:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for raising your concerns. I’d like to clarify that Lu Renjie is widely recognized in the Chinese-speaking art world and has substantial coverage across Chinese-language media and art publications. This includes:
- - Independent news coverage in 上观新闻,腾讯,网易,搜狐,among many others.
- - Reviews and profiles in reputable art journals and exhibition catalogs (e.g. baokuchina.com in Shanghai Tower)
- - Entries on multiple Chinese-language wikis, including wikipedia zh.
- I am working on adding more of these independent, non-promotional sources to the English Wikipedia article, with English translations where necessary for verification. I believe this breadth of coverage demonstrates that Lu Renjie meets the requirements of WP:GNG, not just through press releases but through in-depth reporting and analysis in independent sources.
- I welcome any further advice on improving the article and am happy to collaborate. Miercat (talk) 02:23, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Miercat, could you provide some of the sources you are talking about? GoldRomean (talk) 17:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- In addition to the sources already mentioned, the following reputable news and institutional outlets have published substantial and dedicated coverage of Lu Renjie's solo exhibition "Shanhai Mitzang" (and related major exhibitions):
- Tencent News — Features detailed reporting on Lu Renjie and his Shanhai Scroll project, including images and artist commentary.
- Sohu News — Provides comprehensive coverage of Lu Renjie's exhibition at Guangfulin.
- China News Shanghai — Includes video and text coverage, with specific focus on his "Light of Chaos" section.
- Jiefang Daily — Mainstream newspaper coverage of the Guangfulin exhibition.
- Baidu Baijiahao — In-depth reporting on Lu Renjie’s work in the group show.
- The Paper (archive) — 100% dedicated to Lu Renjie and his Guangfulin solo exhibition.
- Wenhui Daily — Focuses on the full scope of the exhibition.
- Artron News — Art industry coverage of the Guangfulin exhibition.
- Songjiang District Government — Official local government documentation of the event.
- Baidu Baijiahao (2) — Another feature on the solo exhibition.
- UnionTech — Industry coverage and event summary.
- Each of these sources provides substantial, non-trivial, and independent coverage of Lu Renjie and his exhibitions, going far beyond a passing mention. Collectively, they clearly satisfy WP:GNG and demonstrate sustained, in-depth, and reliable media attention to the subject and his work.
- Thank you. Miercat (talk) 12:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- All these sources mentioned focus on the exhibits and have no significant coverage of the subject. — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- The sources are for the subject's exihibits. Miercat (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- All these sources mentioned focus on the exhibits and have no significant coverage of the subject. — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- In addition to the sources already mentioned, the following reputable news and institutional outlets have published substantial and dedicated coverage of Lu Renjie's solo exhibition "Shanhai Mitzang" (and related major exhibitions):
- @Miercat, could you provide some of the sources you are talking about? GoldRomean (talk) 17:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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Delete perthe lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. Lu Renjie (simplified Chinese: 陆人捷; traditional Chinese: 陸人捷) does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline or Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. This article mentions the subject in one sentence. This article is a press release from VSDesign, which put on the event in which the subject is a specially invited artist, so is not an independent source. This article provides significant coverage about the subject but is published by the subject's university so is not sufficiently independent. This article provides a few sentences of coverage about the subject's work of art at the the "Light Chaser – Tribute to Every Breakthrough" exhibition so is not significant coverage. This article provides a sentence of coverage and a few sentences of quotes from the subject regarding an event he created so is not significant coverage. I am open to reevaluating my position if significant coverage in independent reliable sources is found. Cunard (talk) 08:21, 6 July 2025 (UTC)- I am not able to read Chinese unaided but I possibly found some articles: about 3D printing and an installation at a mall, the second one seems to be at least partially an interview but I don't know if the rest is useful. Here are two sources that I took from the zh wiki. <3 Moritoriko (talk) 03:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Cunard and all,
- Regarding the comment that "this article mentions the subject in one sentence," I would like to clarify using several reliable sources and by describing the exhibition format:
- 1. Significant Coverage in Media:
- For example, in this Tencent News article (link), over 60% of the content is devoted to Lu Renjie and his work, with two out of three images directly depicting him and his painting process for the Shanhai Scroll (image 1), or panoramic views of his work (image 2). The article details his creative process and artistic intent, and visually documents both the artist and his artwork. This goes well beyond a trivial mention.
- 2. Additional Sources Provide Substantial Coverage:
- China News Shanghai features both video and text coverage of the exhibition, especially focusing on the "Light of Chaos" section, which consists exclusively of Lu Renjie's work. In the video, all three speakers discuss his pieces, and at least half of the exhibition footage showcases his artwork.
- The article notes: "The exhibition is divided into three chapters: Light of Chaos, Light of Reason, Light of Self, representing ancient, classical, and modern eras. The 'Light of Chaos' section, featuring ancient China, is entirely Lu Renjie's work."
- The same source also highlights: "Notably, some art pieces in this exhibition present different scenes under normal and special lighting. Viewers can use a flashlight to discover 'hidden surprises' left by the artist"—this interactive element refers specifically to Lu's Shanhai Scroll.
- Additional reputable coverage:
- 3. On the Exhibition Format:
- This was a group exhibition in a "partitioned" or "sectioned" format, with each of the three artists presenting an independent unit under a shared theme. In curatorial practice, this is considered a group show (not a solo or trivial participation). Both the public and media coverage treat the event as a unified exhibition, but Lu Renjie’s section is prominently highlighted and thematically integral.
- Conclusion:
- The sources cited above provide substantial, independent, and detailed coverage of Lu Renjie—well beyond a passing reference. Both textual and visual focus in reputable media clearly demonstrate notability per WP:GNG.
- Thank you for considering these clarifications. Miercat (talk) 11:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding the point that "this article is a press release from VSDesign, so is not an independent source":
- It is standard practice in the art world for group exhibitions and artist participation to be documented both on event organizer/curator sites (such as VSDesign's artist page for Lu Renjie) and by third-party press. While this is an official source, it provides verifiable information about exhibition participation and the curatorial selection process (e.g., being a "specially invited artist").
- Importantly, this event was a group show, as clearly indicated on the VSDesign website (link), and Lu Renjie was featured with a dedicated artist page.
- As per Wikipedia policy, organizer/curator documentation is appropriate for confirming participation in group exhibitions, especially when independent coverage (as provided elsewhere) is also available.
- In the Wikipedia article, sources like this are only used to support the subject's exhibition history (e.g., under a "Group Exhibitions" section), not to establish overall notability, which relies on significant coverage from independent sources.
- To clarify, this exhibition and Lu Renjie's role as an invited artist have also been covered by independent media, as cited above.
- In summary: while official sources are not used to establish notability, they are appropriate for documenting exhibition participation, especially in the context of group shows and when confirmed by third-party coverage. Miercat (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding the comment: "This article provides a few sentences of coverage about the subject's work of art at the 'Light Chaser – Tribute to Every Breakthrough' exhibition so is not significant coverage" (link):
- This source covers a major group exhibition at Shanghai Tower, where Lu Renjie was responsible for the entire "Light of Chaos" section—a key part of the event. The article provides specific details about his contribution, including mention of his works "Shanhai Scroll" and "Shanhai World", and describes the creative context and curatorial concept behind his section.
- This is not a trivial or passing mention; rather, the article dedicates a significant portion to Lu Renjie's works and the curatorial reasoning for his role in the exhibition.
- Furthermore, as previously stated and supported by multiple additional sources, the structure of this group show assigned each artist an entire section, and Lu Renjie's section and works are highlighted both in the media and in exhibition documentation.
- As a result, I have placed this source in the "Group Exhibitions" section of the article, along with other independent media coverage, to accurately represent the context and significance of Lu Renjie's involvement.
- Thank you. Miercat (talk) 12:22, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- In response to the claim that "This article provides only a sentence of coverage and a few sentences of quotes" (link):
- This is inaccurate. The entire article is focused on Lu Renjie and his solo exhibition "Shanhai Mitzang" at Guangfulin. The full text and all images exclusively cover Lu Renjie's work, artistic background, curatorial intent, and the significance of this exhibition. This is far beyond a trivial or incidental mention.
- Furthermore, this solo exhibition received comprehensive coverage in multiple reputable independent media outlets and official websites, including:
- Each of these sources provides substantial, independent coverage of Lu Renjie's exhibition, with the entire content devoted to his artistic contributions and public impact.
- The depth, focus, and multiplicity of independent sources clearly meet and exceed WP:GNG for notability.
- Thank you. Miercat (talk) 12:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding the comment: "This article provides significant coverage about the subject but is published by the subject's university so is not sufficiently independent." (link):
- This source is not used to establish notability or provide independent coverage; it is simply a primary source used to verify a straightforward biographical fact: the subject's graduation from this university. It is both standard and appropriate practice on Wikipedia to use official university websites to confirm educational credentials.
- To suggest that a university's own website is somehow too biased to confirm that someone graduated from that university is unreasonable and would invalidate thousands of biographical articles. University sources are routinely accepted for this type of factual, non-controversial information.
- As stated, all notability claims are based on significant, independent media coverage, as provided in the other sources cited. This university source is strictly for verification of education, not notability.
- Thank you. Miercat (talk) 13:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Miercat, you might want to review WP:BLUDGEON and WP:LLM. - Amigao (talk) 16:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- To help non-chinese speaker to understand chinese articles is not Bludgeon.
- Thank you for your compliment. I wrote all this myself. LLM just helped me with organizing them.
- Miercat (talk) 07:46, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Miercat, you might want to review WP:BLUDGEON and WP:LLM. - Amigao (talk) 16:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding the comment: "This article provides significant coverage about the subject but is published by the subject's university so is not sufficiently independent." (link):
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is an unbolded Keep in these comments. Cunard, could you review the sources brought into this discussion? It's so rare that I see you arguing for a Deletion but I don't think you saw the sources added here by Miercat.
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- Delete as it fails WP:GNG. - Amigao (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – I’ve looked at the sources, they all cover his exhibitions. (talk) 16:13, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I am striking my "delete" comment for now. I am not convinced that Lu Renjie is notable. I briefly looked at a few (but not all owing to lack of time) of the sources mentioned by Miercat but did not come away convinced that Lu Renjie (simplified Chinese: 陆人捷; traditional Chinese: 陸人捷) is notable. I may return to support retention or deletion but am striking my "delete" comment and abstaining for now. Cunard (talk) 05:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: thoughts on this individual's notability under WP:CREATIVE, especially criteria 4? — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 01:10, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Clearly satisfies criteria 2, 3 and 4.
- Point 2 (originated a significant new concept or technique): He pioneered the use of digital technology and 3D printing to reinterpret the Classic of Mountains and Seas in contemporary art.[1]
- Point 3 (major work as subject of multiple independent articles/reviews): Lu Renjie’s works have been the main subject of multiple independent news articles and exhibition reviews.[2]
- Point 4 (substantial part of significant exhibition): His works formed a substantial section of the prestigious “Light Chaser – Tribute to Every Breakthrough” group exhibition at Shanghai Tower, organized by Baoku Culture.[3] Miercat (talk) 07:27, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for replying but that is missing the point of "originated a new concept of technique". An example would be Georges Seurat who devised the painting technique known as pointillism. Moritoriko (talk) 13:53, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ "艺术家陆人捷:将中国山海经带入元宇宙". 搜狐网. Retrieved 2025-07-16.
- ^ "Exhibition takes visitors into world of classic Chinese text". SHINE. Retrieved 2025-07-16.
- ^ "宝库的牛年第一新展——用手电筒照亮"隐藏彩蛋"". 腾讯新闻. Retrieved 2025-07-16.
Delete This artist does not meet WP:NARTIST. They have not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. The exhibitions that have been over-referenced do not indicate notability WP:TOOSOON --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:16, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- You're repeating an invalid point. https://www.sohu.com/a/740887882_790178 The Guangfulin exihibition lasted for 5 months and it's 100% about his artworks. Miercat (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- The assertion that Lu Renjie has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition is not accurate. Being featured as a major artist at Shanghai Tower—one of China’s most prominent and recognizable cultural landmarks—is equivalent to exhibiting at the Empire State Building or the Eiffel Tower; this represents the highest level of recognition for contemporary artists in China. To dismiss this as insignificant ignores both the prestige of the venue and the artist’s role. Furthermore, it should be noted that the same editor (Hongyi) has repeatedly attempted to challenge the notability of Liu Jiakun, the third Chinese architect to win the Pritzker Prize, which is widely considered the Nobel Prize of architecture. This consistent pattern reveals a strong bias against Chinese artists and architects, and reflects an effort to diminish their internationally recognized achievements. Instead of erasing such contributions, Wikipedia should aim for fair and global representation. Miercat (talk) 07:37, 17 July 2025 (UTC) — Miercat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Your assertion that being part of an exhibition at Shanghai Tower—one (an office building and shopping mall) is significant is not correct. Please stop commenting on an unrelated article, Liu Jiakun, as if notability of one subject has anything to do with the other. Also please read WP:BLUDGEON. Thanks. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:29, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Hong Kong related deletions
[edit]- Prestige Hong Kong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article that has been effectively unsourced from its creation in 2007. Not finding anything on a Google search (string: ["prestige hong kong" -prestigeonline.com]) or anything passable as a source in history (SOPA is 404-compliant, https://web.archive.org/web/20160304052630/http://www.sinarmasprintawards.com/english/all.asp seems thoroughly broken). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 06:25, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Wine, Fashion, Popular culture, and Hong Kong. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:52, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- Roboboa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm not convinced this toy robot meets WP:GNG. Article isn't much more than an unsourced summary of its functionality and has seen little improvement since 2008. A WP:BEFORE search revealed no significant coverage other than brief mentions of its announcement in 2007. MidnightMayhem 07:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: I only get two hits in Gnews. [15] I'm not sure that's a RS, but it was featured at CES, then appears to have faded away. Lack of sourcing. Non-notable item. Oaktree b (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
- Nichols, Larry (2008-07-25). "Robot pets do not poop". Philadelphia Gay News. Vol. 32, no. 30. p. 25. EBSCOhost 33550317.
The abstract notes: "The article evaluates robotic pets from WowWee Robotics including Roboboa, the Alive series robots and the Robopanda."
- Stone, Adam (2007-05-11). "Everything's Cool". Baltimore Jewish Times. Vol. 296, no. 2. pp. S22 – S23. ProQuest 222780229.
The article notes: "Your Next Snake We promised you a snake, and now we deliver New from WowWee is the Roboboa, a robotic serpent that dances. Yep. They finally made a robot dancing snake. It's a beautiful world we live in. You can control the snake's 40 movements with a remote, or just crank the tunes and watch it dance to the music. It's also an iPod speaker, alarm clock and motion detector. We would just like to repeat these words one more time: Robotic, Dancing. Snake. For the robot-dancing-snake lover in all of us, could the world be any more cool? "
- Schwarz, Reuben (2007-09-04). "Slinky bed mate". The Press. p. T7. ProQuest 314888094.
The article notes: "Here's an alarm clock with a difference. Roboboa is alarm, reading light and electronic pet all rolled into one. It explores, it parties, it even guards your desk by shooting lasers (actually just a noise) at anything that comes into view. It also interacts with WooWees other toys, like Robopet and Robosapien, and probably scares the heck out of your pets. And it'll be that much harder sleeping in knowing a robot snake is staring down at you."
- "These are the droids you're looking for: WowWee Roboboa". Stuff. 2008-01-01. Factiva FFUTS00020071207e4110000j.
The article notes: "You’re probably wondering how this android snake gets about. In fact, Roboboa glides across flat surfaces with a curious moonwalk action courtesy of rotating cylinder segments. It all makes sense when you put him into Party Mode, whereupon he squirms around to his own disco tunes and puts on a little light show."
- Le Bourlot, Éric (November 2007). "L'invasion des robots jouets" [The invasion of toy robots]. Science et Vie micro (in French). p. 11. Retrieved 2025-07-13 – via Internet Archive.
The article notes: "Toujours inspirés par les travaux du chercheur au chapeau Mark Tilden, le Roboboa a la forme d'un ser- pent et le Roboquad est un drôle d'alien à quatre pattes. Tous deux peuvent se dépla-cer, repérer des obstacles. Mais attention, malgré ce qu'annonce Wow Wee, ils ne disposent pas d'une réelle intelligence artificielle, et si on peut leur inculquer certains comportements basi-ques, ils n'évoluent pas avec le temps."
From Google Translate: "Still inspired by the work of hat-wearing researcher Mark Tilden, Roboboa is shaped like a snake, and Roboquad is a strange four-legged alien. Both can move and spot obstacles. But beware, despite what Wow Wee claims, they don't have real artificial intelligence, and while they can be taught certain basic behaviors, they don't evolve over time."
- "Свестрана змиа" [Versatile snake]. Politikin Zabavnik (in Serbian). 2007-11-30. Retrieved 2025-07-13 – via Internet Archive.
The article notes: "Свестрана змиа Argos Roboboa Стручнаци куе „Argos" осмислили су необичну роботизовану направу ко je савитльива попут змие да би била што прилагодливиа разним наменама и назвали су je Roboboa. Склопльена од дигиталних уреаа, ова „купна змиа" лако може да промени облик и изврши чак четрдесет едну радну. Тако, рецимо, Roboboa може да се користи као лампа за читанье, будилник, поуздани чувар кои бележи сваки покрет и о томе одмах обавештава, али и као саиграч кои добро прати ритам музике. Оваква свестрана направа заиста je пожельна у сваком домапинству. Може да се купи по цени од око 160 евра."
From Google Translate: "Versatile snake Argos Roboboa Experts from the house "Argos" have designed an unusual robotic device that is flexible like a snake in order to be as adaptable as possible for various purposes and have called it Roboboa. Assembled from digital devices, this "snake" can easily change shape and perform as many as forty-one tasks. For example, Roboboa can be used as a reading lamp, an alarm clock, a reliable guard that records every movement and immediately informs about it, but also as a teammate that follows the rhythm of the music well. Such a versatile device is truly desirable in every household. It can be purchased for a price of around 160 euros."
- Melanson, Donald (2007-10-15). "Roboboa slithers its way to the USA". Engadget. Archived from the original on 2021-01-23. Retrieved 2025-07-13.
The article notes: "While WowWee's dancing Roboboa robot has already made its way into a few select parts of the world, those in the US have so far had a considerable harder time getting their hands on one. That looks to have now changed in a big way, however, as the so-called "alien with attitude" is now available directly from WowWee for an even $100."
- Nichols, Larry (2008-07-25). "Robot pets do not poop". Philadelphia Gay News. Vol. 32, no. 30. p. 25. EBSCOhost 33550317.
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Taiwan related deletions
[edit]- Chang Ho-chirl (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Declined A7 speedy deletion (since it's not a recently created article, apparently). South Korean singer who is not significantly covered in any reliable sources, fails WP:GNG ApexParagon (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment - this is not a keep/delete recommendation from me, but just to note that I found these three sources with a decent amount of coverage in Chinese: udn.com, sohu.com, zaobao.com.sg which suggests to me that the subject may be notable. I'll take a better look a bit later. Not sure about the reliability of Sohu as a source. But on the face of it United Daily News and Lianhe Zaobao look OK. It's a bit of a pity that the zhwiki article, which is lengthier, is similarly ill-sourced. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)