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[edit]- Manila Cathedral School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, largely unsourced and the declared "sources" are primary sources (school handbooks) and a third-party school directory Hariboneagle927 (talk) 12:10, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Center for Cistercian and Monastic Studies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG as none of the sources cited are independent, and neither Google nor Google Scholar give me any WP:SIGCOV in independent sources. JustARandomSquid (talk) 12:01, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge and redirect to Medieval Institute where it is mentioned. Not enough coverage and content for a separate article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:52, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- The Kingdom Series (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a non-notable self-published book series from a non-notable author. Nothing here to indicate it warrants a page. Previous AFD was a decade ago and had no consensus. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:17, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment - Archived sources from previous AfD: Grand Forks Herald: [1], Focus on the Family: [2], The Old Schoolhouse Magazine: [3]. Two reviews could be just enough for notability but I don't know if those sites are considered reliable for book reviews. --Mika1h (talk) 17:24, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm finding some stuff as well. They're hidden behind a paywall on Newspapers.com and with the current issues with renewals (via Wikipedia) I am unable to verify if they're about this series. Unfortunately a lot of it looks to be from local newspapers, so they don't really hold the same weight as they would if they were from more major outlets. I found: Rapid City Journal [4], The Dickinson Press [5]. As for the other sourcing, Focus on Family would not be a reliable source given that one of its controversies centers upon them deliberately misrepresenting research to suit their purposes. The Old Schoolhouse Magazine probably isn't usable. I initially looked to see if they were cited in any scholarly/academic sourcing, but only found this book by Greenhaven Press/Cengage and this one by McFarland. They're mentioned in this book by Palgrave, but the only part I saw was that the magazine is mostly ads. I then checked the website and they offer paid reviews. Their content creator package offers buyers the ability to have their products appear in an influencer's videos and so on. Now, they might not have been doing paid reviews/articles in the past, but none of this really helps foster confidence in them as a RS on Wikipedia. I'll keep looking, however. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 22:43, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:
SourcesA book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:
- The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
- Garrigan, Mary (2004-10-10). "Action series tell biblical story". Rapid City Journal. Archived from the original on 2025-11-10. Retrieved 2025-11-10.
The article notes: "Chuck Black wanted to get his children excited about reading the Bible, so he wrote them a story about Christ, sort of.Black, a Williston, N.D., father of six home schooled children, had the idea to set his story not in biblical days, but in medieval times, and to fill it with all the action and adventure that kings and knights and swordfights can provide. ... Encouraged to share the story with other families, the Blacks launched into a family book-publishing project that has resulted in a four-book set, The Kingdom Series. The first book in the series, "Kingdom's Dawn," is followed by three others that use action, adventure and intrigue in medieval allegorical novels to teach scripture and biblical characters to young people. The first two books take the reader from creation through the Old Testament. Book three, "Kingdom's Edge," was actually the first one Black wrote, and tells the life of Jesus through dramatic symbolism."
- Sanderhill, Cheryl (2007-06-08). "Children lead father to pen Christian book series". Williston Daily Herald. Archived from the original on 2025-11-10. Retrieved 2025-11-10.
The article notes: "Chuck Black has written six books since 1999, which form a series that sets the Bible in allegorical form, as a Christian knight's tale. ... "Kingdom's Edge" ended up becoming the third book of the series because when he was done with it he turned to the Old Testament, and produced two more books set in the same mythical kingdom of Arrethtrae. They are called, "Kingdom's Dawn" and "Kingdom's Hope." Black continued to write to bring readers, young and old, fresh insight into Christian love and compassion. Next he did a fourth book called "Kingdom's Reign" that covered the story after "Kingdom's Edge," through the book of Revelations. The Blacks self-published the books through a Web site they created, and they also placed the books in all the Bible bookstores in North Dakota."
- Gurfinkel, Kathryn (2002-12-12). "Black releases second 'Kingdom' book". Williston Daily Herald. Archived from the original on 2025-11-10. Retrieved 2025-11-10.
The article notes: "Williston native Chuck Black recently released his second book, Kingdom's Dawn, published by Perfect Praise Publishing. Black's books are Christian allegorical novels, the adventures including swords, knights and battles are based on the Bible. In the recent tradition of prequels, Black's new book, Kingdom's Dawn, is the first in the series and his first book, Kingdom's Edge, is the third in the series. Kingdom's Dawn, begins with the story of Adam. The book tells the stories of the Old Testament through allegory."
- Kliner, Kate (2008-06-18). "Williston resident to release book". Williston Daily Herald. Archived from the original on 2025-11-10. Retrieved 2025-11-10.
The article notes: "After self-publishing four books of Christian tales, Black was signed to Multnomah Publishing out of Colorado to complete the series and given a contract to write another series of six books. These books are now available in all Christian book stores as well as many other chains, and the first book called Kingdom's Dawn was in the top ten best-sellers list, according to the Christian Booksellers Association for Christian Youth Literature for the month of December."
- Spaulding, Sara (2013-07-12). "Free concert, teaching this weekend". Williston Daily Herald. Archived from the original on 2025-11-10. Retrieved 2025-11-10.
The article notes: "Chuck is a published author of two Christian fiction youth series. The first, the Kingdom Series, comprises six books and is a chronological allegory of the Bible set in a medieval kingdom. This series was in the “top 10 for youth literature,” said his wife Andrea."
- "A Kingdom in the Hands of a Boy - Williston Man's Book Series Full of Action, Adventure". Grand Forks Herald. 2002-12-15. Archived from the original on 2025-11-10. Retrieved 2025-11-10.
The article notes: ""Kingdom's Dawn" by Chuck Black of Williston, N.D., is a Christian allegorical novel full of action and adventure, where swords, knights and battles are biblically symbolic. It is a classic good vs. evil story for all ages, told through the eyes of Leinad and his faithful companion, Tess.Black, an electrical engineer, created the Kingdom series of books with his family, he said. "Kingdom's Dawn," though just being released through Perfect Praise Publishing, is actually the first book in the four-book series."
- 2024 Derdghaya Melkite Church airstrike (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTNEWS. Following WP:PAGEDECIDE, every airstrike in a broader war doesn't need its own page. This material is covered on Wikipedia on the 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, to where this page should redirect. Longhornsg (talk) 01:34, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: Notable event that received international coverage and reactions, similar to Church of Saint Porphyrius airstrike and Killing of Nahida and Samar Anton. There is a difference between redirecting singular airstrikes and whitewashing the bombing of an entire religious structure with civilians inside. (Which was already attacked 3 times previously per the article) Red Phoenician (talk) 02:11, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Please stick to policy, which this Afd is based on. WP:ITSIMPORTANT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Longhornsg (talk) 02:18, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- You are right about WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, as for WP:ITSIMPORTANT if you want me to be more specific, as partly stated before:
- 1. The article is about the destruction of a cultural and religious building which involved multiple civilian deaths.
- 2. It received international coverage from various news outlets with articles dedicated solely to covering the event.
- 3. It received statements from non-domestic leaders, Pope Francis and Cardinal Pizzaballa.
- 4. It recieved post event coverage.
- I fail to see how the article is insignificant enough to be relegated to a redirect. Red Phoenician (talk) 02:55, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to a flurry of international press at the time of the event, there was much coverage of the church during the Christmas and Easter seasons following. There's also coverage in this journal article. Some other sources not used included Giannopoulos, Bill (October 12, 2024). "Israeli Airstrike Targets Melkite Greek Catholic Church". Greek City Times. and Frayer, Lauren (December 23, 2024). "What the Israel-Hezbollah war did to Lebanon's cultural heritage sites". NPR. This article refers to the church as heritage site. This wasn't just any building, but a historic 19th century church. I would support a move to an article on the church itself if someone cares to locate sources and go that direction. The bombing(s) could be covered in a larger article on the church itself. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:56, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- So let's create Derdghaya Melkite Church and place the info there. Longhornsg (talk) 23:08, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable and relevant, also the reasons outlined by Red Phoenician and 4meter4. JJNito197 (talk) 23:41, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Lean
delete. We dont even have an article for this church. We need a WP:ISRAELDIDATHING essay comparable to WP:TRUMPCRUFT. ←Metallurgist (talk) 23:47, 29 October 2025 (UTC)- Not to mention Derdghaya barely has anything on it, even in Arabic. ←Metallurgist (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- This just falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Red Phoenician (talk) 15:42, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- No, it demonstrates that the place isnt notable to begin, so an attack there isnt particularly notable. This is another element of PIACRUFT. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose I should add that I am not opposed to merging to Derdghaya. May actually switch to redirect on that basis. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Support redirect to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon per below. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:42, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose I should add that I am not opposed to merging to Derdghaya. May actually switch to redirect on that basis. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- No, it demonstrates that the place isnt notable to begin, so an attack there isnt particularly notable. This is another element of PIACRUFT. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources including international sources and secondary sources, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep because it is a notable event that deserved its on page. Qhairun (talk) 05:34, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- "deserves a page". WP:JN. Longhornsg (talk) 23:09, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon per WP:SUSTAINED, and anything needed can be merged there. No need for a separate page on this per WP:PAGEDECIDE, as there's not much here and essentially no prospect for further expansion, given that no new RS coverage is happening. Jclemens (talk) 06:35, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Merge or redirect: to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Some information could be merged, but a redirect would also be fine. Just another battle in a long war, no lasting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:31, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- The war only lasted one month so I am not sure how it was "long". Lasting notability was already shown above with articles discussing the topic post-event and a journal article (provided by 4meter4) covering it which was published just 5 months ago. Red Phoenician (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep-Substantial press coverage indicates notability. Display name 99 (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Agnieszka653 (talk) 20:52, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge to 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon per WP:SUSTAINED. Only three of these sources are salvageable. The site has no WP:SIGCOV apart from the strike and even that was short-lived. Tioaeu8943 (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 08:22, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Czeslaw Krysa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I can find no evidence that this person meets WP:BASIC. The best source I can find is from Michigan State University. Others are less helpful in a notability context. This obituary comes from a small publication where Krysa had a weekly column, so I don't think it's independent. There's also a local news Q&A, which is effectively a primary source. There are other scattered mentions of Krysa out there, but none focus on the man himself (nor can I find sources that support much of what's in the article right now). Ed [talk] [OMT] 00:17, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also to note: be aware that the article as it exists now is likely AI-generated. The creator has used AI in many of their other edits, such as Draft:Michigan Alkali Company and White House State Ballroom. A valid alternative here could be WP:DRAFTREASON. Ed [talk] [OMT] 00:19, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: No evidence of passing WP:NBIO, WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - his last church, St. Casimir Roman Catholic Church, is probably notable, but not him. Parish priests are rarely considered notable without significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 23:37, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:NCREATIVE and WP:GNG. He is notable as an artist. He has non-trivial coverage for his work as a pisanki artist in Kamuda, Alan (March 28, 1991). "Spectacular Shells: Priest Brings Craft to Orchard Lake". Detroit Free Press. p. 10F. and "Fr. Czeslaw Krysa". Lansing State Journal. August 2, 2003. p. 65. which covers his work as a featured artist at an Art Festival at the University of Muchigan. There's also coverage of his teaching of the Polish art of palm weaving in Kamuda, Alan (March 23, 1994). "Weaving of Palm Fronds Stems from Old Tradition". Detroit Free Press. p. 60A. There is also a lengthy article covering his work as a maker of krupnik in Galarneau, Andrew Z. (February 23, 2020). "King of Krupnik: Kaistertown Priest Has Become a Master at Making the Buckwheat Honey-Based Liqueur of Eastern Poland". The Buffalo News. pp. F7, F8. Altogether, he demonstrates notability as a practitioner of various Polish folk arts.4meter4 (talk) 23:37, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- @4meter4: I appreciate the diving into sources I don't seem to have access to! With the site you're using, is it possible to see snippets to evaluate SIGCOV? Also, it would be great to get these added to the article, perhaps after it's been TNT'd to remove unverifiable AI-written content. Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:13, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- These are viewable in newspapers.com which is available through the Wikipedia Library. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:17, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- @4meter4: Huh. I did multiple searches in TWL's main interface, but did not navigate to newspapers.com directly. Thanks for the pointer. Ed [talk] [OMT] 22:29, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- These are viewable in newspapers.com which is available through the Wikipedia Library. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:17, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Let me know if more sources are discovered. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 19:05, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Um. I provided three sources with WP:SIGCOV. The sources are already sufficient to pass WP:BASIC.4meter4 (talk) 11:13, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as per the multiple reliable newspaper sources identified by 4meter4 that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:44, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep squeaks by as a Polish craft practitioner. Problematic to say that there are no independent sources on the man himself as the nomination does when Newspapers.com hasn't been consulted. Jahaza (talk) 20:35, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep His work has been promoted by the Smithsonian: https://folklife.si.edu/magazine/easter-butter-lamb-buffalo he has been mentioined by The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/18/arts/hudson-valley-conversations.html and he has been interviewed by local papers: https://www.buffalospree.com/features/polish-wny-enamored-with-ritual/article_ed88ac91-d323-54d4-9967-ed50ac281322.html and here: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/article_20fc4d4e-f425-5d62-9e8d-a4db8c89117b.html Agnieszka653 (talk) 20:43, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Agnieszka653: There's a consensus that this person is notable, but for the future I don't think those articles actually contribute to notability: being mentioned a single time in a NYT article, engaging in a simple Q&A without more in-depth reporting, or being quoted briefly about another topic typically does not satisfy WP:SIGCOV. (I can't access the last link, so no judgements on that.) Ed [talk] [OMT] 22:29, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
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