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Nightlife in Bangkok doesnt feel like a Wikipedia article

(This is my first time here at the Helpdesk, hope i do this right) The article starts with the sentence "The nightlife in Bangkok, the capital city of Thailand, has traditionally had a reputation for rowdiness, but in 2011 it was reported that the city's crime rate had decreased." That is just a piece of trivia and not the first sentence to a Wikipedia article. Similar things happen throughout the whole article, noting stuff like the price of Local vs Import Beer. How can i alert people to this, as leaving a note on the Talk page probably wont be noticed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmalzbrot (talk • contribs) 00:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

You could:

1. Do the research and fix it yourself.

2. There could possibly be a project/group that specializes in this topic that could fix it. 24.190.200.120 (talk) 02:19, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Looks to me like it needs a rewrite from scratch. Someone has WP:ProD'd it which makes sense to me in a way, but the topic may be notable. You could always create a draft with good sources, while you're waiting for the ProD. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 07:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Egyptian Hieroglyphs for Dummies

A scan of the original

(A specific dummy: myself.) I want to cite a paper that is headed as shown. The citation will be simple and straightforward, aside from the hieroglyphs -- for me, an unfamiliar writing system.

The paper doesn't identify the glyphs: Gardiner assumes that his readers will be familiar with the glyphs that compose the word he discusses. As I look within his own sign list, I identify/misidentify the five as:

[Why the line break after the hieroglyphs?] (E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2 -- PNG files, via the "hiero" tag)

Likewise, as I look through List of Egyptian hieroglyphs, I identify/misidentify the five as:

𓃛𓏲𓄿𓈖𓀁 (again, E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2 -- but this time Unicode characters)

Those of you who are more accustomed to hieroglyphs (or are just wider awake) than I am can perhaps point out my misidentifications.

Even if I've got the hieroglyphs right, their arrangement is wrong. A second try with Gardiner's signs:

("Z7:E9-N35:G1-A2") Not quite right (even aside from the unwanted line break, the "coil-of-rope" glyph should be top right of the sleeping beast, not top centre); but an improvement.

I'd like a second try with Unicode characters, but I'm stuck. "Egyptian Hieroglyph Format Controls" (from Unicode.org, and not as cryptic as our own "Egyptian Hieroglyph Format Controls") provides "13434 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH INSERT AT TOP END" ("top end" seemingly meaning "top right"), and "1343A EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH INSERT AT TOP". However, I don't understand how one might use these ... entities. And there may be a more fundamental problem. I fear that even if I did manage the successful use of these or similarly recherché resources of Unicode, they'd baffle later editors, who'd well-intentionedly delete them or screw them up.

Fixes, suggestions? -- Hoary (talk) 01:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary: it seems to be cited here as

GARDINER, A. H. (1904): The word iwn3. In: Zeitschrift für Ägyptische. Sprache und Altertumskunde 41: 130–135.

Hopefully an expert will turn up, otherwise there is always WP:RDL. TSventon (talk) 03:31, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah but TSventon, I've seen it cited with its title rendered complete with hieroglyphs, in both a book chapter and a journal article (neither of which was itself concerned with hieroglyphs). If the printing company for each could do it (even if only semi-legibly for one, and missing a glyph for the other), I imagined that Mediawiki could as well, and do it better. Let's try:

Gardiner, Alan H. (1904). "The word " (PDF). Zeitschrift für Ägyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde. 41: 130–135 – via Internet Archive. {{cite journal}}: hiero stripmarker in |title= at position 45 (help)

Well, a minor bonus: the unwanted line break is no more. "Stripmarker" is a new word for me. (BTW, I haven't mentioned the matter at WP:RDL but I have pinged Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Writing systems.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

The <hiero>...</hiero> tag causes MediaWiki to create a series of hieroglyph images in an html table. As part of that creation, MediaWiki also creates a matching stripmarker for use as a placeholder. These placeholders (stripmarkers) are replaced with the html table of hieroglyph images just before final rendering of the page (after templates and modules have been expanded). cs1|2 emits the error message because it cannot see the content of the hiero stripmarker so the metadata that cs1|2 creates for users of reference management software (Zotero and the like), will be corrupt or incomplete.

Best practice for citing works that have a title with hieroglyphs is to manually cite without using a cs1|2 template.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your learned advice, Trappist the monk. I've adjusted the reference accordingly [in the article, not above]. (I took the opportunity to link not the six-page article but instead the 150+ page volume; because even if six pages are all that are wanted, 150+ are what the inquisitive will get.) It's a lot less ugly now. Still, it has me admiring the skills of the compositors/typographers of Zeitschrift für Ägyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde -- though of course they had only a few kinds of script to accommodate, not dozens. -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC) [Added clarification Hoary (talk) 22:41, 8 July 2025 (UTC)]

My first rearrangement of the Unicode characters was not a success:

𓏲

𓃛

𓈖

𓄿

𓀁

Perhaps I could experiment with negative margins; but doing so would risk a real mess with some alternative font. -- Hoary (talk) 05:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is what you want, but I recreated the text in the provided image using CSS.

Extended content
The word E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2𓃛𓏲𓄿𓀁𓈖. And smaller: The word E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2𓃛𓏲𓄿𓀁𓈖.

The code: The word <span style="font-size: 0px;">E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2</span><span style="display: inline-block; max-width: 2.5em; user-select: none;" aria-hidden="true"><span style="position: relative; top: -0.2em;">𓃛<span style="position: relative; top: -0.2em; left: -0.1em; font-size: 0.8em;">𓏲</span></span>𓄿𓀁<span style="position: relative; top: -0.9em; left: -1.4em;">𓈖</span></span>. OutsideNormality (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, OutsideNormality (and apologies for noticing your comment so belatedly). Unfortunately this doesn't work for me -- I mean, it doesn't work as desired even as I view it here (via Firefox under a Debian derivative). This is of course disappointing but it's not surprising; I've found that the exact same chunk of Mediawiki (with the same SPAN tags and the same CSS around the same five Unicode hieroglyphs) is rendered in quite different ways depending on its position in the paragraph. I think we're stuck with the alternative approach, using the HIERO tags. Still, thank you for your code, which reminds me of some CSS attributes I'd forgotten about during five years or so of lack of practice. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

What is the minimum needed for my wiki page?

I have done all of the hard work, maybe too much, now I have to get references which are hard to find due to not much press. I just want my fans to know who I am and what I'm doing now, I have recorded 4 records, many singles and now have a music podcast show in Las Vegas and in my 89th Episode.

So my question is what is the minimum to get started and I will add the references along the way?

Thanks, Dean Von, Dean Von Music Media -- Deanvonmusic (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Deanvonmusic: The minimum requirement for a Wikipedia article is that the subject must be notable, by our definition, not yours. If you are not notable, then we cannot have an article about you. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Dean, please have a read of WP:MUSICBIO, especially the first one. "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." The links that you are adding are to your social media, YouTube etc. If you are notable then other people will have written about you, but a quick google search here turned up nothing for me. I see that others have already told you this so I'm not sure why you're asking again.

Furthermore, regarding your comments here regarding "censorship", Wikipedia is a private website. We are not a web host and have no more obligation to host your biography here than you would have an obligation to host me if I visited Nevada as a tourist. Valenciano (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Deanvonmusic! I am afraid you made several common mistakes.

• You created a Wikipedia page about yourself — although it's not forbidden, it is strongly discouraged here, because such pages almost never meet Wikipedia standards. Please see WP:YOURSELF for detailed explanation.
• You created a Wikipedia page for your fans for them to know who you are — this is what we call self-promotion here at Wikipedia, and it is strictly forbidden by our policy. Please see WP:SELFPROMOTE for more info.
• You created a Wikipedia page WP:BACKWARDS by writing on the subject (that is, yourself) first before finding WP:Reliable sources to establish notability of the subject. By the way, please note Wikipedia has its own definition of 'notability', described at WP:NOTABILITY, and it is must-know before you create of substantially modify any article at Wikipedia.
• You created a Wikipedia page without familiarizing with Wikipedia rules and requirements, so the page doesn't meet criteria for a Wikipedia article. As a result, it has no chance to get accepted and published in main space in its current shape.

This is very discouraging, I know. Please don't feel crushed, many Wikipedia users experienced something similar in their beginnings. If I may suggest you next move, just leave the page as it is for now, step back and browse through the links I posted above.
Also, see again the blue-and-green message that User:KylieTastic posted at your Talk page last November. Section Getting started links to some most important information, necessary for each successful Wikipedian. Good luck! --CiaPan (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

"I have done all of the hard work, maybe too much, now I have to get references". That is a classic case of trying to create an article backwards. Unfortunately, you haven't even started on the hard part of the work. Maproom (talk) 08:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have put a spamusername block on this account, as his talk page reveals a belligerent determination to commit promotion and autobiography, meanwhile declaring that he is not committing autobiography and promotion. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I removed TPA as he doubled down on his disruptive attacks. I almost feel like he was creating entertainment for himself and his fans. It's very interesting how someone can say they aren't promoting themselves and then go on to say how they will promote themselves. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Citations on mobile

Am I correct that the citation tools that the source editor has on desktop are not available on mobile? How are people adding citations on mobile without manually typing the full templates? Thanks! Helpful Cat -talk- 02:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Not quite correct, Helpful Cat. See Wikipedia:Enable_mobile_version for instructions on switching your mobile to desktop mode. Maproom (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, what I meant is that the citation tools aren't available in the mobile version. But switching to desktop mode on mobile is a good idea. Helpful Cat -talk- 11:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

For anyone else who sees this: I realised that citation tools are available in the mobile visual editor, so another option is to add citations via the visual editor, then switch back to the source editor to add a ref name. (Unfortunately the Wikipedia:Citation expander gadget doesn't seem to appear on mobile either, even though it can be activated in mobile preferences) Helpful Cat {talk} 20:38, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Fixing cites after text move?

I moved a lot of text to Health effects of electronic cigarettes from Electronic cigarette. Is there an easy way to repair the cites as it would be a lot of effort for me to do it manually? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's a very good question actually and there is a nice trick for it. Why don't you use source editors and copy not just fact but refs too that are written in front of the piece. Like this

Napoleon was born in Corsica in 1769.<ref>Some Source</ref> [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I do use the source editor when merging Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia SXSW 2025

Hi, I had professional headshots and to make a business profile during SXSW March 2025 in Austin,Texas at the Wikipedia House. I have yet to recieve any updates on when it will be live? Belivelyco (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Your account has no edits other than this one. Can you link to the draft? (perhaps you made it while logged out) I will note that we don't have "profiles" here, not a single one. We have articles. 331dot (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If somebody took pictures of you for Wikipedia, I would think you would need to contact that person. I'm pretty sure that Wikipedia provides no such service.

The fact that you talk about "professional headshots", and a "business profile" makes me wonder if you have been scammed by somebody claiming that they could create a "profile" for you. Please see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 20:03, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

ColinFine Is there any way to see if Wikipedia had an official booth at SXSW? 331dot (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea - I had to go searching to even find out what SXSW was. But even if it did, does that sound like the kind of service that would be provided by Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I checked the website, there didn't seem to be anything official Wikipedia/-media-related. Scam it is... -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine and others, see https://www.wikiportraits.org/, Category:WikiPortraits at SXSW 2025 and Amateur photographers hope to fix Wikipedia's 'terrible' pictures. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Obviously I, like others commenting here, had never heard of this. So the headshot is likely to be real. But @Belivelyco also talks about "make a business profile". That doesn't sound like anything sanctioned by Wikimedia. ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

It does not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

WikiPortraits organizer here -- indeed, we had a photo studio at SXSW for both outreach and to capture notable people for Wikipedia, as part of the broader WikiHaus where we hosted panels, an edit-a-thon, etc. with the WMF and affiliates. But no "business profile" or anything of the sort was offered. The most we did was teach people how Wikipedia works and how articles are made. Likely a misunderstanding. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 16:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Belivelyco Are photos you're asking about here?: Category:WikiPortraits Studio at SXSW 2025 Note that there are several pages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes for Wikiportraits. Thank you! 2603:8080:D800:477:E8F6:FBB5:51A:AB95 (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

While most photos have been uploaded, note some photographers are still finishing their uploads so some may still be missing. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 16:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@SuperHamster Per independent coverage, I think it would be fair to mention (and redirect) Wikiportraits somewhere in mainspace. Do you think it fits at Wikimedia_Foundation#Affiliates? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: We are funded through WMF grants, but are not an official affiliate (yet). We plan to apply at some point, but I know the affiliate application process is going through some changes right now. If you think a redirect is appropriate, our main wiki page is at commons:Commons:WikiPortraits. I just set up Wikipedia:WikiPortraits as a redirect. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@SuperHamster I added something at Wikimedia_movement#Thematic_organizations. We'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

How to correct Wikipedia title or name

We are interested in correcting the title or name of our organization’s Wikipedia page — what are the potential steps of doing so? Pmckay2126 (talk) 12:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Pmckay2126.

If you are a employee (or volunteer or intern) at the organisation, then Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor if you make any edits in respect of an article about or connected with the organisation: this means that it is mandatory for you to make a formal declaration on your user page - see the link above for how to do this.

Once you have made the declaration, you may request edits to the article - you should not edit the article directly.

For edits to the content, you should make edit requests on the article's talk page. Changing the title of a page is called moving the page, and usually you would post at requested moves; but because of your conflict of interest, I recommend that you still raise an edit request.

Please note that Wikipedia uses the common names of entities, rather than their official names. This means that if your organisation has changed its name recently, but most or all of the independent reliable sources on which the article must be based still use the old name, then we would probably not change the name of the article - though it could certainly have the new name in the lead section of the article, and could also have a redirect from the new name to the old. ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pmckay2126 If you tell us what WP-article you want to change to what new title, someone here might do it (I assume your org-website will hint this is a good idea). You can also suggest this at the article talkpage, but there is no guarantee anyone will see it. Another option is asking on this page: Wikipedia:Requested moves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and insight!

All of that info is extremely helpful.

I am an employee at Credible and hoping to help the organization change its title from Credible Labs to simply Credible.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Credible_Labs

https://www.credible.com/

How difficult do you foresee that change being? Pmckay2126 (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah, right. Should be straightforward, except that, as Arch dude says, it's not the most obviousl thing people would be looking for, so I think it should be moved to Credible (company) or something like that.

A more significant problem I see is that looking through the sources, I didn't notice any which were all three of reliable, independent, and containing significant coverage of the company (see WP:42). Most of the news reports were routine business reporting of financial offers, acquisitions, and the like. Without several sources which meet all the criteria, the article does not establish that Credible meets Wikipedia's criteria for WP:NCORP ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

And now I look, Credible (company) exists, and is a redirect to Credible Labs. So I'm going to put in a Move request - but I still have doubts as to whether the article is adequately sourced. ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the insight, @ColinFine, and all of the help. It is all very much appreciated! Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pmckay2126: Sorry, but Credible is currently a redirect to credibility, and I feel that your company's name is not the most common use of the word. We can and should change the redirect into a disambiguation page. -Arch dude (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight, @Arch dude. Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I have requested a move to Credible (company), currently a redirect --ColinFine (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Excellent! Thank You very much, @ColinFine. To confirm, the URL would be Credible_(company)?

Also, is the _(company) appendix common for organizations?

Appreciate all the help. Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The requested move is at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. If successful the Wikipewdia url will end with Credible_(company). The _(company) appendix is fairly common for organizations, but most company articles don't need an appendix. TSventon (talk) 15:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Pmckay2126. It's called a disambiguator - see WP:TITLEDAB. Where there are several articles about things (or people) with the same name, all (or sometimes all but one) of them have a term added in parentheses, just to distinguish them.

Arguably, this shouldn't have it, as we don't have an article called "Credible", only a redirect; but as Arch dude explained, people searching for "Credible" are most likely not looking for your company.

The article would greatly benefit from the addition of some sources where somebody wholly unconnected with the company has chosen to publish information in significant depth about the company. Can you suggest any such? ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, @ColinFine. We understand why a disambiguator for “credible” would be necessary and also why there may be issues with using the URL “credible” since our brand is also a commonly used word.

It would be great if the “credible”redirect could be removed and we could move our page to that URL — especially since it isn’t being used; however, the second-best option would be credible_(company).

We appreciate all your help. Pmckay2126 (talk) 17:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The redirect has been used 546 times in the last year [1] but we cannot say whether they were looking for Credibility, Credible Labs, Monetary policy credibility, or something else. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• I have completed the requested move to Credible (company). I have no opinion on other things in this discussion thread such as the quality of the article's text. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:23, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

why my draft is being rejected (Draft:Sooban Talha)

Draft:Sooban Talha

i would like to know why my draft Sooban Talha is being rejected 1234sooban1234 (talk) 16:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• 1234sooban1234, that draft is highly promotional and on a non-notable person, and I think you wrote it about yourself. Also, note the sentence "While he has built a modest following, there is currently no coverage by independent or mainstream media sources"--that last part, there is currently no coverage, means we can't have an article on it. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  thanks.

  i will try my best to create real articles. 1234sooban1234 (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@1234sooban1234: No sources, no article, no debate. We can't cite random YouTube videos or any social media. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Help

Where do I delete drafts? Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 16:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat: If you created the draft yourself, {{db-g7}} is your friend. Otherwise, you'd take it to WP:Miscellany for deletion or wait for the draft to time-out. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Rafaelthegreat. If it is your draft and you are the only significant contributor, then please follow the advice at WP:G7. If it is someone else's draft, why do you want to delete it? Only administrators can actually delete pages, but you can request deletion based on the specific circumstances. Cullen328 (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

No @Cullen328, I am not deleting someone else's draft. But thanks for for the advice! Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Drafts that meet a WP:CSD can be tagged as such. Otherwise you can always list them at WP:MFD. However, because drafts are automatically deleted per WP:G13 after six months of inactivity and because there exposure is so minimal, it is usually best to simply do nothing. So sure if it is eligible for G7 feel free to tag it as such, but otherwise it should most likely be ignored. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

invitation to event July 12

please send invite 38.122.223.18 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

What event are you talking about? GoldRomean (talk) 21:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup shows two events July 12, in San Diego and San Francisco. Your IP address is in San Francisco so I wonder whether you are referring to Event:Bay Area Wiknic 2025. It has a "Register for event" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

My page was moved from mainspace to draft

My English page "Supriyo Bandyopadhyay" was moved from mainspace to draft by someone named HRShami. I have no idea why (I do not know HRShami) and I would like it moved back to mainspace so that a Google search can discover it. Please help.

Supriyo Bandyopadhyay Sbandyopa (talk) 01:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I have checked the article in question and there are no contributions from you whatsoever, so it is not your English page, unless you are the person on the article itself. The article is moved to the the draft by the author of the article because of "paid article". If you want more clarifications you should talk to HRShami directly. Have a good day! ✠ SunDawn ✠ Contact me! 01:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Looks like HRShami is draftifying all the articles they’ve been paid to create. You can submit it for review to become published by placing {{subst:submit}} (Template:AfC submission/submit) at the top of the page. GoldRomean (talk) 01:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm assuming they moved them to draftspace since they were operating as a UPE the time they created the articles, and they now want to send them through AfC as they should have. Their block log corraborates this. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

The problem with that is that the editor in question Sbandyopa have to declare his COI first before resubmitting the article for review himself, seeing that it is very likely that he is the person in question. ✠ SunDawn ✠ Contact me! 01:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, this is exactly why you don't hire PR agencies to create your article. You should have just waited until someone created it independently, or have followed the COI editing guidelines every step of the creation process to create it yourself. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 02:04, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Even aside from the matter of payment, this draft is problematic. An article about a person must be based on sources that are independent of that person. -- Hoary (talk) 02:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I created this article as part of my undisclosed paid editing. I have moved it to the draftspace so that I can improve it before submitting it again to AFC as I should have done in the first place. HRShami (talk) 05:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Please email me if you wish to improve this page in any way. Sbandyopa (talk) 11:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sbandyopa Just a note, practically all unsolicited emails you might receive about the draft are from scammers who make false promises and take your money for nothing, see WP:SCAM. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

It seems that HRShami (going by the name Saaed Akhtar when he contacted me), who was paid to create this page, moved it to draft on May 9, 2025 and later a user named Liz deleted it 8 minutes later on the same day. Who should I contact about this and how? Sbandyopa (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Nobody. You don't seem to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to advertise yourself or boost your SEO ranking. If you find another paid editor, chances are it'll get deleted again, and the chances are much higher since we know you hired a paid editor to create your article previously. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 15:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

The editor was paid for editing services (like a copy editor) and not for PR services. Nothing in that page is advertisement and everything is verifiably true. I have zero interest in SEO ranking. Sbandyopa (talk) 19:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

HRShami is the owner of LustrePR, which is, as the name suggests, a PR company. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 19:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

By the way, your page was not actually completely "deleted", it was moved to Draft:Supriyo Bandyopadhyay. GoldRomean (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. This is noted. Sbandyopa (talk) 11:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Full stop dot template

I created Template:Full stop thinking it would work, but Template:Dot is a middle central dot, so I don't know what to do. In Template:Hatnote group, full stop dots don't appear when needed, such as here, after Template:Main, for example. But there were other templates that needed dots that I noticed. Web-julio (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

One problem is that not all hatnotes are actually sentences. The ones that are already do have a period, but the ones that aren't do not have a period. MOS:CAPTION has some guidance about punctuation when combining sentences and sentence-fragments. So either each hatnote needs to detect whether it needs a period based on determining whether it is in a hatnote-group or hatnote-group needs to detect whether each hatnote has a period and add one if not. DMacks (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Web-julio: That template name is confusing. Many English speakers use "full stop" to mean a "period". {{Full stop}} is currently a redirect to {{·}} and should either be renamed to better reflect its purpose; or simply deleted as {{dot}} and {{middot}} already exist for the same purpose. Bazza 7 (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Web-julio: I agree. May I delete it as an author request? It could also be converted to actually produce a period but I don't know use cases where you couldn't just write a period without a template. I have posted to Template talk:Hatnote group#Any way to get punctuation? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I requested. But I thought there existed, so it could be retargeted. Web-julio (talk) 23:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Infobox translation

I'm translating Private Music (Album) into French, but I cannot seem to add the album cover into the french infobox. How do I do that? Uncognic (talk) 02:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't know how much help us here at enwiki would be with regards to stuff on frwiki, I'd suggest asking on frwiki. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 02:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Uncognic, fr:Wikipedia can't employ files hosted by en.Wikipedia. (By en:Wikipedia I do not mean Commons. It's not at Commons for a very simple, copyright-related reason.) You cannot add the album cover there (which is why you also won't see it at pt:Private Music (álbum) or ru:Private Music). There's no point asking at fr:Wikipedia or anywhere else. But if you have further questions about an article in fr:Wikipedia, please ask there. -- Hoary (talk) 04:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Uncognic. To explain a bit more about Hoary's reply: the aim of Wikimedia projects is to provide a resource that may be freely reused by anybody for any purpose, so Wikimedia Commons accepts only freely-licensed materials.

Because it is often so difficult to find freely-licensed images, English Wikipedia allows non-free images in certain cases, as long as they comply with a strict set of criteria. Such images must be uploaded to English Wikipedia, not to Commons. The image in question is one of those.

Some other language Wikipedia also allow non-free images, but not all. It seems to me that French Wikipedia does not - see fr:WP:PDE. ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

What to do with a (maybe) expired PROD?

I was looking at a page, Construction of Berlin Brandenburg Airport, and there seemed to be an attempt at a proposed deletion (PROD) because the article is largely a stand-alone duplicate of the main article's construction section. But the actual text of the PROD template was improperly pasted with nowiki tags, resulting in it showing up as plain text as follows:

{{subst:Proposed deletion|concern=The content of aticle is as it is available on the main article on Berlin Brandenburg Airport > Construction. This is page is nothing but just another copy from the original article.}}

It's the latest edit to that article, and it's been live since May, far more than the 7 day period for most PRODs. I've been wondering what happens next in this case, with my mind jumping between:
- Delete the incorrectly formatted PROD template text without replacing it with a proper PROD, and
- Replace the incorrectly formatted PROD template with a proper one

I could see replacing it with a speedy deletion template, though because this was originally PROD-ed there may be enough contention here.

Thanks in advance for your input! MooseMike (talk) 04:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@MooseMike: - I'd replace the incorrectly formatted PROD with a correctly formatted one. Mjroots (talk) 09:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

About Washington International University

I want to made a correction about a page on Wikipedia about an online university. The information is wrong and outdated.

Please let me know how I can provide you the updated info.

Actually Washington International University is one of the pioneer modern academic learning system that started in the United States, which is a common methods by most Universities in the U.S and Europe nowadays.

The programs offered by this university were highly academic assigned with a highly experts/ professors. Students had to finalize their study programs with academic learning material, books, researches and the final Thesis.

There are innumerable high level leaders from around the world who studied in Washington International University and received their degrees.

I would like to contribute a longer article and updated information about the positive side of Washington International University. Please let me know how I can do that and and how you or I can edit old page on Wikipedia about this university.

Here is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University BestCiel (talk) 06:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Just a basic question, are you somehow related to this particular university? If yes then you come into WP:COI conflict criteria, read the page and make appropriate advance. In regard to edit, you can read WP:Editing. Sys64 message this user 09:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

These are some basic needs you need to keep in mind while editing page, ONLY when you are in COI:

• you should disclose your COI when involved with affected articles;
• you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly;
• you may propose changes on talk pages (by using the {{edit COI}} template), so that they can be peer-reviewed;
• you should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly;
• you should not act as a reviewer of affected article(s) at AfC, new pages patrol or elsewhere;
• you should respect other editors by keeping discussions concise.

Sys64 message this user 09:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @BestCiel.

First, as Sys64 says, if you are connected with the university, you have a Conflict of interest. If you are in any way paid or employed by the university (including as an intern or volunteer), Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration (see that link for details).

Once you have made your declaration, you may raise edit requests for changes to the article: make them as specific as possible, don't put multiple changes into the same request, and your requests have a much greater chance of being carried out if you include a citation to a reliable independent source, for any information you are seeking to add.

You say you would like to contribute a longer article about "the positive side" of WIU. Such an intention is fundamentally off-purpose for Wikipedia. A Wikipedia article should not give "the positive side" (or "the negative side") of its subject: it should be a neutral summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, in reliable publications - and little else. (see WP:42). If many of the appropriate sources are positive, the article will reflect that. If they are predominently negative, the article will reflect that; and if they are mixed, again the article will reflect that.

What the article should not reflect, at all, is what the subject says or wants to say about itself, or what the subject's associates say.

If you choose to write an article about WIU (which seems inappropriate, because there is one already) you would need to effectively forget everything you know or think about the university, and summarise what the independent sources say. ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine, Actually they have sworn that they were graduate of University and did not find it pleasing enough to tell us here. Now they have made copyright edits which have been both reverted and scrutinized. I have warned him but if he continues to do this, I think a block is needed? See his talk page, [[2]] Sys64 message this user 00:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki, being a graduate of a university is not necessarily a COI. ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

does use dmy dates template apply to bots or fully automatic tools?

2011 Pará state division plebiscite contain use dmy dates. lead section and Plebiscite development section has dates in mdy format and all others are in date month format. does an editor required to change all dates per template in article except in references, infoboxes, etc.? jiki (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, if dmy dates are in use, it should be consistent throughout the article, including in references. Mjroots (talk) 09:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

However, WP:MOSDATE allows yyyy-mm-dd to be used for archive-date and access-date in references irrespective of any DMY or MDY direction for that article, and those should not be changed. -- 92.21.137.132 (talk) 09:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kiji-Jiki Note that the template documentation says After an article is tagged, periodic script runs clean up formats, correcting any new introductions since the last edit using the script, and updating the tracking date parameter in the template, so there is a bot that should handle the changes needed for consistency if a human editor doesn't notice which type of format is supposed to be used. There is another subtle change that the template fixes for readers. For example, if a reference uses |date=2022-05-19 in an article with the use dmy dates template, a reader will see 19 May 2022 in the references section even though that isn't used in the underlying code. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Template for women's football under-20 and under-17

Hey all, I want to make a medal table for FIFA U-20 World Cup, FIFA U-17 World Cup, FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup, and FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup, the same way as shown in CONCACAF Gold Cup records and statistics for example. But the countries now have to link to the men under 20, men under 17, women under 20 and women under 17, so the templates used for men, "fb", and "fbw" for women don't work here. What are the correct templates? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 11:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: See {{fbu}} and {{fbwu}} . PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks! Hm, I tried them out but it doesn't look like they can be used in tables because they create errors. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 12:08, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: I don't see any attempt to use them in your saved edits. If you tried a preview then did you remember the age parameter? If you want more help then save your broken code somewhere so we can see what goes wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I tried it and used "Show preview" so you can't see it. But I'll try it again at FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup. Please check it. I tried using "fbwu" as a template but it doesn't work. If you use "fbw" it does work. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 13:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: I see the problem now. {{fbwu}} has an age parameter but {{Medals table}} doesn't have a way to pass it on for |flag_template = fbwu. I made a wrapper template {{fbwu17}} which doesn't itself have an age parameter and that works.[3] But a bunch of wrapper templates for gender-age combinations doesn't seem like a good solution. I will ask if {{Medals table}} can get en extra parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ok, thank you so much for your help! Much appreciated. I reckon you suggest I'll wait with creating the tables? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: Yes, I suggest waiting to see if there are replies a Template talk:Medals table#flag_template with age parameter. {{fbwu17}} works for now so you don't have to remove the already made table. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ok, thanks. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

sid vicious article

how can this be amended? It states " Kingsway College of Further Education (later known as Westminster Kingsway College), which was a community and vocational school for students with difficulties" which is not true. FE colleges are simply post school educational facilities which include vocational education. They usually include some special needs provision but this is usually small by comparison to the size of the institution. the govt website states "Further education (FE) includes any study after secondary education that’s not part of higher education (that is, not taken as part of an undergraduate or graduate degree). Courses range from basic English and maths to Higher National Diplomas (HNDs)" 62.30.13.19 (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, have you tried bringing this up on the article's talk page? Perception312 (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I've removed the wording "which was a community and vocational school for students with difficulties". DuncanHill (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

DuncanHill, thank you. The removed text was a poor summary of the Guardian source, so it made sense to remove it. TSventon (talk) 15:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

A save in wrong format

I publish a area code for town in el Dorado Co California somehow it now the edit preview. Kys.... DMc75771 (talk) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

kybu DMc75771 (talk) 16:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

DMc75771, your edit has been reverted. You were trying to add Area code 856 which is an area code in New Jersey to Kyburz, California. Please explain why. Cullen328 (talk) 17:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Default headers for association football tournament pages

Hi all, I've noticed that all the hundreds, if not thousands of tournament pages seen on List of association football competitions use different names for headers. It's mainly about 3 ones. For example, what do you call this table:

Rank	Team	Part	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
1	India1	14	62	39	15	8	108	38	+70	132
2	Maldives	12	50	25	11	14	98	52	+46	86
3	Bangladesh	13	46	18	12	16	52	47	+5	66

It's called "Overall team records" on most pages but I've seen people use "Summary" or "All-time table" too. It's a points system so maybe something like "All-time points records" or something would be better?

Nation	Champions	Runners-up	Third-place	Fourth-place	Semi-finalists
India	9 (1993, 1997, 1999, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2015, 2021, 2023)	4 (1995, 2008, 2013, 2018)	1 (2003)	–	–
Maldives	2 (2008, 2018)	3 (1997, 2003, 2009)	2 (1999, 2021)	–	4 (2005, 2011, 2013, 2015)
Bangladesh	1 (2003)	2 (1999, 2005)	1 (1995)	1 (2021)	3 (1995, 2009, 2023)
Afghanistan*	1 (2013)	2 (2011, 2015)	–	–	–
Sri Lanka	1 (1995)	1 (1993)	–	1 (1997)	3 (2008, 2009, 2015)
Nepal	–	1 (2021)	1 (1993)	2 (1995, 1999)	3 (2011, 2013, 2018)
Kuwait3	–	1 (2023)	–

^This one is usually called "Teams reaching the top four" but what's the default name? And lastly:

Team	1993	1995	1997	1999	2003	2005	2008	2009	2011	2013	2015	2018	2021	2023	2025	Total
Bangladesh	×	SF	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	Q	13
Bhutan	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	GS	Q	9
India2	1st	2nd	1st	1st	3rd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	2nd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	Q	14
Maldives	×	×	2nd	3rd	2nd	SF	1st	2nd	SF	SF	SF	1st	GS	GS	Q	12
Nepal	3rd	SF	GS	4th	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	SF	2nd	GS	Q	14
Pakistan	4th	GS	3rd	GS	4th	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	SF	DQ	GS	Q	12
Sri Lanka	2nd	1st	4th	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	DQ	Q	13
Former team(s)
Afghanistan3	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	GS	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	Part of CAFA				7
Guest teams
Kuwait4	×													2nd	×	1
Lebanon4	×													SF	×	1

^This one is usually called "Comprehensive team results by tournament", is it the correct name?

For examples, please see National team appearances in the FIFA World Cup, Africa Cup of Nations and SAFF Championship.

Consensus about these should be reached to avoid future conflicts, because one person might use this and another one uses that and in my opinion it doesn't look very professional if it's all different but mostly, it's easier for everyone if we just stick with defaults. Now pages are constantly being changed because there's no consensus and everyone changes it to what he likes. Can there please be reached default settings for this? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC) PeruvianCocaine (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello @PeruvianCocaine. That sort of consensus is reached by being discussed at an appropriate place, where interested editors are likely to see it. I suggest WT:WikiProject Football ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Notes

application process

Can I get help with login pin number for application process Matswenyego (talk) 17:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're asking - what application process are you having trouble with? CoconutOctopus talk 17:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

how to delete account

how to delete account 24bozz (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not possible to delete an account, as legally all edits must be attributable to someone. You may stop using and abandon your account. If you intend to never return, an account in good standing may be vanished. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Question about reverting

I am trying to improve the WP:Contents page and then all of a sudden, I get reverted. I understand that this is an important tool on Wikipedia since it helps with undoing vandalism and undo any mistakes that I make while editing. I don't understand why someone would use the revert tool to undo a good faith improvement to Wikipedia when they can just build on the work that I already did on the page. I'm all for reverting good faith edits where the chances of it being built upon by subsequent edits is not looking good, but I'm hoping that I can get a good explanation of why editors are so quick in reverting. Interstellarity (talk) 00:59, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I have brought you to WP:ANI, because before every major edit, which you are doing in WP: Contents you need to discuss it. This is a violation and you need to answer this there. Sys64 message this user 01:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

This should be discussed on the Contents talk page, not ANI. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 01:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

yes but he is making blatant edits, which requires some answers to administrators. Sys64 message this user 01:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Being WP:BOLD is not a chronic, intractable behavior problem that needs "and block them if needed" Sophisticatedevening🐞^(talk) 01:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Please move to ANI page for other discussions. please note i said if needed which means only and only if it is required, and that is because I overlooked multiple edits without understanding much more. I think I was not going to deal it personally hence I am quite not comfortable with talk page discussion without an administrator involved, per war. Sys64 message this user 01:57, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Sys64wiki, a suggestion. En:Wikipedia has many articles that are defective in one or more ways. Work on improving these articles. Give yourself a year-long break from advising people on what to do, and from bringing people to WP:ANI. That's because your advice, however well-meant, too often (A) is hard to understand or (B) is seemingly based on misunderstandings. -- Hoary (talk) 02:35, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Noted. Sys64 message this user 02:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Also there are some specific editors who have taken a tone of digging deeper and looking at specific comments made by user that are not appropriate. Granted, I am not perfect (and nobody is), I would suggest these users to leave this job to checkusers and bureaucrats, as they understand much better what this means and its use instead of some naive editors who have anonymity towards others. Thank you! Sys64 message this user 02:49, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki: Pointing out your inappropriate, BITEy Teahouse and Help Desk comments from yesterday is not "digging deeper" into your edit history to find something against you. I'm unsure why you'd want us to "leave this job to checkusers"; I haven't seen anyone accuse you of socking or something of that sort. — DVRTed (Talk) 03:23, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

FTR, I have no idea why (presumably I, due to my comments at ANI), am being called naive and I have not accused Sys64 of socking either. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 04:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

The answer to your question is reverting is rude and the guidelines tell us it's hostile, puts off unexperienced editors, shouldn't be done if the edit was in good faith, should only be done if nothing about the good faith edit was useful. But a lot of editors do it because it's quicker, they don't care and feel some ownership over a page, or they're more task than people oriented. You can ping the person on the talk page, but honestly, it's probably easier to move on. For problematic people, you'll just be another in a long line of people they'll argue with. MmeMaigret (talk) 06:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:B4B

Hello, I am not a native speaker and yes I use AI for translation. help me in writing the article. I am a Russian speaker, and this concept of the model has proven itself well in my homeland, and I would like it to develop worldwide, as it contributes to the development of good economic relations and global peace.I can't write the article myself because my English is very bad, I would like help in writing, not necessarily on my behalf, I have sources only in Russian and in the form of books, I can scan it to PDF. There is a link to the English version (but I don't know if this is a reliable source ) https://www.arimetrics.com/en/digital-glossary/b4b . also, here is my brief interpretation in Russian : "B4B (Business-for-Business, «бизнес для бизнеса») — управленческая концепция и модель взаимодействия между компаниями, в основе которой лежит идея создания взаимовыгодных партнёрских отношений как важного элемента устойчивого развития и роста бизнеса. Компании, применяющие принципы B4B, рассматривают долгосрочное сотрудничество с деловыми партнёрами в качестве одного из ключевых факторов повышения собственной конкурентоспособности. Подобное сотрудничество, как правило, включает технологическое и организационное развитие партнёров, обмен ресурсами, финансовую поддержку, совместную реализацию проектов, интеграцию бизнес-процессов, создание стратегических альянсов и другие формы совместной деятельности. Модель опирается на концепцию «win–win», которая применительно к В4В предполагает, что возникающая синергия способствует росту эффективности и развитию бизнеса всех участников партнёрской сети Projowio (talk) 10:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Projowio, Wikipedia already has an article on Business-to-business.   Maproom (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

There are a lot of pages on the English language wiki that shouldn't exist - the person isn't notable, there are no sources etc. If you can't find any English language sources, that's a good sign that it shouldn't exist on the English wiki. I get that the English wiki is seen as having more reach, but still. Also if you're English isn't that good, again maybe see that as a sign to stick to the Russian wiki. Too many people want to "create" pages. However, the answer to your "how-to" question is create the draft page off your user page, then ask experienced editors for help with the draft (incl grammar and translating the titles of the sources). MmeMaigret (talk) 06:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:NONENG, while English language sources are preferred, sources in other languages are admissible and do contribute to notability so long as they meet the other criteria for an independent, reliable secondary source.

That said, nobody here is going to write an article for you. We're all volunteers and we work on what interests us.

We do also have a Russian language wikipedia that needs more contributors, though. You could write the article there, in Russian. If it's a good article and well referenced, and if English wikipedia doesn't have an article on the topic, eventually someone may come along who's interested in translating it into English. -- Avocado (talk) 23:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

how do I upload a .wikitext file?

how do I upload a .wikitext file? Bigpooz (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bigpooz: It looks like you figured it out at User:Bigpooz/Sample page. There is no file upload for wikitext. You just use a browser to create and edit wikitext pages. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation and Wikipedia:Notability (people) if you want to create an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Bigpooz. Looking at that draft, it appears that it has been written WP:BACKWARDS.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Bigpooz. I wonder if you used a large-language model chatbot like OpenAI's ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini etc to create this page - and that the chatbot mistakenly told you to upload a .wikitext file? Your page at User:Bigpooz/Sample page looks like it was written by an AI chatbot. qcne (talk) 14:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

12 July 2025

We've reached consensus about an edit to Template:Automatic taxobox and some other templates. How can I get someone do it? I know I could just contact a template editor or admin but is this the only way? Jako96 (talk) 15:49, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I think you are looking for {{edit template-protected}}/{{edit protected}} * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:54, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I somehow completely forgot about these, thank you. Jako96 (talk) 20:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Jako96: If you cannot edit a protected page then the "View source" tab has a button to submit an edit request. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Did you edit Wikipedia before creating this account?

Yesterday, I got a message from an IP user asking if I edited Wikipaedia before using this account. You can see it here: User talk:Rafaelthegreat#Did you edit Wikipedia before creating this account?

In this long message, they listed some things I did that I shOuld not have done. So I want to apologize for doing those things. But that is not why I am here. They said this: "Some people, whether autistic or not, are just unfit to contribute to Wikipedia. Vandals, trolls, and abusive and disruptive editors can be blocked or banned, and being autistic is no excuse for unacceptable behaviour." I got confused. I don't think I ever made any excuses for being Autistic. I only included it in my user page.

If I did, please let me know.

Also, they think I used to have another account but got Blocked so I created a new one. That is not true. If you don't believe me, use the Check user tool (If that is what it is for).

The weird thing about this usEr is they only have 2 edits (The first one was made in 2023 and the second one was made for the question. Although this might've been mixed up by being shared.

This user might have been a robot too, because The message was extremely long.

He also said I used it as a therapy tool for autistic people. When did I do that?

Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:45, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Wow that message is uhh.. well it sure is long. I don't know what their beef is and I think you can safely ignore it. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Contrary to what they say, you are free to remove pretty much anything from your talk page except for declined unblock requests. You can safely remove their message if you don't feel the need to read or reply to it. Departure– (talk) 19:56, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

One more thing. The message is an LTA filter hit, contains unsubstantiated accusations that in my mind constitute personal attacks, might reasonably be AI generated, and is from what looks to be a throwaway IP. Maybe someone more acquainted with this sort of thing should look a bit more into the specific message being discussed here. Departure– (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

That IP has been to ANI with a similar demeanor a few years ago. I don't think they're using an LLM. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 09:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't think that message has been produced by AI. It reads like someone who knows an awful lot about how Wikipedia works. There's also a previous post from that IP address that is similarly lengthy and combative. Personally, I'd consider escalate it to the incident board. MmeMaigret (talk) 05:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Critical Race Theory Bias in Wikipedia.

I find it odd that the section for Anthony Johnson, the first slave owner in the U.S.A. is not mentioned to be black, but rather implied. Further more, it is disturbing that that this site will not allow a picture of him to be posted. So, officially, I am asking the representatives of this company, are you allowing bias opinions to affect the decisions of the factual information published? Ravens Asylum (talk) 18:44, 12 July 2025 (UTC) Update, the site does say "he is recorded as a negro".

The article for Anthony Johnson is pretty clear that he was an African man who had previously been enslaved himself. Wikipedia summarises what reliable sources say about a topic, and doesn't provide its own commentary. There's no image as we don't currently have one of him that is suitable; previously an image of the wrong man was present which has obviously been removed. I urge you to remember to assume good faith when dealing with editors on Wikipedia and not go around accusing people of deliberate racial misinformation or you're likely to end up blocked. CoconutOctopus talk 18:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I see it does say "Recorded as a Negro". I posted a picture for Anthony Johnson and it was removed. Turned out this same picture has been rejected the past. It's him. It's resourced. But for some reason this company doesn't want people to know that the first official slave owner in the U.S. is black. It goes against the narrative that the white man is evil. It's time to stand up to woke ideology and call out the hypocrisies of Wikipedia. Perhaps I missed it, does it say that he was a slave owner as well? Or does it just say that he earned his freedom and became a tobacco farmer? Ravens Asylum (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I would add that this is not a "company", we are all volunteers here, not paid staff. The Wikimedia Foundation has paid staff, but they are not involved in editing decisions, typically. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

The infobox already says that he fought to own an African slave, John Casor. Please see WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 19:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I agree with CO that the article makes it clear this man was Black. Is this [4] the picture you uploaded wherever? Doesn't look 1600 to me, but if you have a WP:RS that says so, tell us what it is, then we can probably use it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

That is so obviously not an image of Anthony Johnson that I would oppose adding it even if we did have WP:RS that says so. We'd probably end up having to strike that source off the WP:RS list. -- asilvering (talk) 20:06, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

It could be AJ in the sense of (later) "artistic depiction". But again, I'd like to see a history book that says so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

See Lewis Hayden, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Nice catch. -- asilvering (talk) 20:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering See description on the File:Portrait of 19th century abolitionist Lewis Hayden, sometimes falsely presented as being 17th century enslaver Anthony Johnson.png page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

That blog looks like it promotes fringe and neo-Confederate content. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Btw, why don't you count for example Edward Bennett (colonist) as an earlier slaveowner in the USA? Not that any of them lived in the USA, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

For the interested, the article is Anthony Johnson (colonist). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:50, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

error

using one finger on a mobile can be challenging. I tried to fix but made it worse. Couldn't find the error. DMc75771 (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @DMc75771. I don't see an error in Termo, California (apart from the fact that it cites no sources with significant coverage of the place). ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

References

References no longer working

In this dynamic world references a prone to expire, e.g. external sources may have been removed from external sites or those sites have been renamed or re-organised etc. What to do when one encounters such "broken" - but presumably previously working - reference links? Should one replace the reference with "citation needed" or e.g. leave as is BUT add some - presumably other(?) - marking that the reference is no longer working ? (I HAVE tried searching tutorials etc. for an answer but failed to find one.) Thanks FlemFred (talk) 23:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Update: In the actual case I just found a replacement reference (see my Edits list if you're interested), but the general question stands, since one frequently encounters broken or outdated references. Thanks FlemFred (talk) 23:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

(1) You should mark the reference as dead. Click on the reference in visual editing and choose url status from the list of fields. (In source editing it's probably "url-status=" but don't quote me on that.) You don't need to do anything else after indicating that the link is dead. But for completeness, you should (2) go to archive.org, type in the old url, find an archived version of the page that works (and was the source for the information), add the archived page (it will start with "https://web.archive.org/web/") in the archive url field and the date it was archived. MmeMaigret (talk) 05:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

MMeMaigret, Thanks, will do. (I *do* know the WayBack Machine (since ..... way back ;-) and *have* seen references to pages there, so I think that I can do as suggested.) FlemFred (talk) 11:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

FlemFred, because, as you say, websites may "have been renamed or re-organised etc.", the first thing to do is use Duckduckgo or Google or Bing or whatever to look for the same material elsewhere in the same (or a renamed) website. If that fails (as it usually does), the next stage is to see what the Wayback Machine offers. If Wayback lacks the web page, then the next stage is to consider whether it's really necessary to cite that very same source, or whether an alternative would be appropriate. If not (or if no usable alternative can be found), then Template:Dead link or a more appropriate alternative. -- Hoary (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hoary, Thanks. And yes....-ish: The problem is that one cannot necessarily (and not least *easily*) determine or guess what an appropriate *other* reference is - which is probably also what you've found yourself. But again: Yes, could try and see if the reference could be converted to a reference to possible archived material (at WayBack). Thanks again for all suggestions. FlemFred (talk) 11:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:LINKROT

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:DEADREF might be more on-target for this situation, and is the basis for Hoary's good ideas, than LINKROT. But I'm glad you got it resolved, FlemFred. DMacks (talk) 00:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. FlemFred (talk) 11:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. FlemFred (talk) 11:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Help contacting an editor

I am wondering how I can get in touch with an editor to ask them the references they used. 2601:8C0:800:2C90:65D5:3AF6:AB7D:C3F8 (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Best is to ask on the talk page of the particular article, pinging the username of the editor you are addressing. For how to do this, see the third paragraph ('You can "mention" a user....) of the body text of Help:Notifications. Of course, many edits were made years ago, by editors who have since "moved on" from Wikipedia. NB (i) Further down the same page we read "notifying anonymous users (IPs) by mentioning their IP address is not possible" (within which, "mentioning" has a special meaning); yes, pingability is an advantage of having a username and logging in to it. (ii) Simply prefixing "@" to a username does not ping that user. -- Hoary (talk) 02:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Abderrahmane Medjadel

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Reference help requested.

Can you please help me with the referencing errors because I don't know what to do if that is okay please?

Thanks, 49.182.171.78 (talk) 04:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it was telling you that a {{cite web}} citation needs a title. I've fixed the reference (i) to delete Medjadel as the author of the page and (ii) to insert a title for the page. (The reference was also in the infobox so that may have made it harder to find in order to edit.) MmeMaigret (talk) 05:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Why car-related articles are sometimes semi-protected?

Hi, I'm just wondering why some car-related articles are Semi-protected? Such example as Hyundai Palisade, Volvo Cars, etc. Can Wikipedia users explain it to me why? Thanks. Rizky Juliandief (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hyundai Palisade says "[Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 06:00, 6 August 2025) (Persistent disruptive editing: per WP:RFPP". It's usually because some keyboard warriors keep disrupting the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:13, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rizky Juliandief: You can find the protection log by clicking the "View history" tab (or "Last edited" at the bottom of mobile pages) and then "View logs for this page" at top. The normal protection policy applies to car articles and I guess they have normal problems but I don't edit in that area. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Articles are protected on a case-by-case basis when there's problematic editing on it that needs to be stopped. Looking at the edit history for each one, Hyundai Palisade was protected because someone without an account kept messing up the sales table, and Volvo Cars was protected because someone without an account kept trying to add information that contradicted what the sources say. Every type of article gets problems like this now and then, it's not limited to car-related articles. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 17:11, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Referencing errors on List of British bingo nicknames

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I've copied what I did before, and the citations are still coming up with errors. I've looked at your help pages and copied your format from there, but I still get errors. I'm at a loss on how to fix this - I've followed your article, but it doesn't seem to work.

How do I fix this?

List of British bingo nicknames

Also, the reference Belford, Walter C. (1940) is in a large text size compared to the other references

Thanks, Doc Bingo (talk) 08:59, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Doc Bingo, move {{refend}} below the entry for Belford. As for the template errors, as you view the page don't you see explanations? (For example, External link in |website=, meaning that the value specified for the attribute "website" is, but must not be, a URL. (So as an example, for the top page of The Guardian, not |website=https://www.theguardian.com, but instead |website=The Guardian.)

Incidentally, please don't cite the Daily Mail: it's not a reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 10:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for this managed to sort a few issues but still have a REF issue. Not sure what or where it is. In terms of the Mail Online reference - it is a self reported article ie the protagonist named in the article is the one who contacted the Mail about being banned and as such in this case it is justified to use the Source. I have read the notes about the Daily Mail and understand them, however they are not always going to be inaccurate in everything they report and as such using them as a source should can be justified in certain circumstances. Doc Bingo (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I've sorted some of the citation formatting so it's not currently throwing errors, although the shortened footnotes still need to be sorted.

The case of the Daily Mail publishing something self reported is exactly the type of case where citing the Daily Mail is not justified - there is no indiciation that any fact checking was done at all, and while there might be a grain of truth to the story, there's no indication that it's a part of a wider pattern or that something like that might happen to players-plural. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Doc Bingo Citation errors: You can't use {{cite web}} and not cite a website. Title is also a mandatory field. So click on the footnotes and add the missing info. MmeMaigret (talk) 11:11, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Lost everything, please help!

I was creating a sand box for my college course and now everything I did the hours spent is all lost. Is there a way you can help me recover all the work I put into this? Lost Sanity (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Your list of "contributions" (edits) here shows but a single edit: the one immediately above. And nobody else has edited User:Lost Sanity/sandbox either. So what is lost to you is also lost to everybody else. -- Hoary (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @Lost Sanity.

I'm sorry you lost your work. I wonder if (like many people) you were confused by the "Publish" button, and avoided picking it?

That is the button that used to be called "Save" - it was changed to "Publish" to emphasise that every page on Wikipedia - articles, drafts, talk pages, user pages, sandboxes - is public: there are no private workspaces. But it doesn't mean "publish to the main encyclopaedia" - for new users you do that by submitting the draft for review (see WP:AFC)

So you can publish (i.e. save) your sandbox or draft often: it will be visible to anybody who goes looking for it (eg looking at the "recent edits" list, or at your user contributions), but people idly searching won't find it, because it isn't in the main namespace, and it won't be indexed by external search engines. ColinFine (talk) 22:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I doubt that a college course would merit an article in any case. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Uploading Images of Artwork I Own

I own several works of art created by artist with Wikipedia bio article. I own the artwork free and clear. Also, the artists have been dead for 70+ years. Can I upload images of those works of art to Wiki Commons? Are there any restrictions I need to be aware of before I do that? Orygun (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Orygun.

First, note that owning the physical artwork does not give you ownership of the copyright or any associated rights (unless your purchase explicitly included them).

If the artist has been dead for that long, it may well be in the public domain - i.e. no copyright subsists in it - but this depends on a number of circumstances, most obviously which jurisdiction you are in. I suggest asking the experts at WP:MCQ.

Don't forget to specify the jurisdiction that you are in and that the artist produced the works in. ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks!-Orygun (talk) 03:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Orygun, your user page gives a fair clue to where you might be based. Our servers are in the US and follow US copyright, so I'd guess you can just go ahead at commons Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Page not opening

I am Álvaro Jaló, and my Wikipedia article used to be accessible. I see it in Google results, but the page will not open on any browser or device. Can someone help me access or restore it? 2A02:6B67:D760:2700:35BF:17C7:45BC:14F4 (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

That article was deleted per the proposed deletion process with the reason "Expired PROD, concern was: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, only played 278 minutes in the Moldovan first league and the rest in low leagues". Search engines probably just haven't removed it yet. You can challenge this deletion at WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Public domain images with Getty Images numbers on them (Unsure where to ask, so I'll go here...)

The article on Cris Tinley has three images that other users put on it. All three are public domain and were uploaded from Getty Images, and while the watermarks are gone, the image numbers from Getty are still in the lower left corner of each. Is that okay for a Wikipedia image, or do they have be removed? -- JustJamie820 (talk) 01:50, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@JustJamie820: the images are on Commons, so you could ask this at c:Commons:Help desk. TSventon (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Sounds good, so I'll do that. Thanks for directing me there. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 04:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Rural Fire Service in Queensland

Well we have a disaster 2001:8003:785A:3701:2CF6:1A28:18E8:139D (talk) 02:16, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

This is not a place to contact the Rural Fire Service of Queensland or air grievances about it. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

John Shrek McPhee delta operator

I am his first wife and mother of his only children 1- daughter 1- son together from 1992 thru 2003 i have all photos and docs to support this

i 2600:1005:B23E:619D:E8F0:F37F:700A:8527 (talk) 07:51, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

There are several articles about people named John McPhee; I'm not sure which one you are referring to(none have "Shrek" listed as a middle name). But Wikipedia articles summarize what publicly available reliable sources say about a topic; documents in private hands aren't acceptable. 331dot (talk) 08:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

And none of those McPhees seem to be a delta operator. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. If you have information to add to a Wikipedia article about somebody, then the best place to propose this is at that particular article's talk page.

Please note that Wikipedia articles should contain only information that is available from a reliable published source: personal memories, and unpublished documents, are not enough.

If you have a photo of the subject of an article and wish to donate it, then provided you own the copyright to the photo (which you usually will not unless you took the photo yourself) you can upload the photo to Wikimedia Commons by the upload wizard and it may possibly be added to the article. ColinFine (talk) 09:21, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

This is presumably regarding a US self-identified ex-Delta Force member (or "operator") John "Shrek" McPhee who has written one or more books and presents combat-related training courses on TV and YouTube. This site, Wikipedia, does not have an article on him, though another (unconnected) wiki, en.everybodywiki.com, does.

There appears to be contention about the accuracy of some of his published material. I suspect that any proposed article about him here might run into Reliable source difficulties. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 10:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

John McPhee (Ret. Special Forces) was deleted in 2017 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John McPhee (Ret. Special Forces). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Possible to see history of wikidata ids for an article?

Hello,

How can I see when an article was connected and disconnected to wikidata ids and by whom please? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: I don't think that's possible. If the article is currently connected then you can get started by clicking "Wikidata item" under "Tools" or "In other projects", and make a browser search (Ctrl+f in Windows browsers) of the Wikidata page history for "link to [enwiki]" (example). PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: do you have an example in mind? TSventon (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I found the info through the search above thanks both of you Chidgk1 (talk) 11:34, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

About picture of Padma Shree Sanu Lama (Gadul Singh Lama)

the recent Photo is not Shri Sanu Lamas Photo. Please change it. I ve no idea if its possible. Information is correct but not the Photo. Thank you. 2001:2042:3736:6C00:FC2B:F881:A579:C0A9 (talk) 11:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Does this relate to Gadul Singh Lama? I have removed the image, but we have no replacement - perhaps you know of one? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

About phylogenies

So in Wikipedia, we have the clade template for phylogenies right? Can we directly use phylogeny images from scientific articles? Couldn't I just add the image to the article for now and later I would replace it with clade template? Jako96 (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

See c:COM:THIRD for guidance on using images from third parties. Note though, that if the diagram is a simple "family tree" type, with no creative component, then it contains data that cannot be copyrighted, so you can redraw it yourself, or ask at WP:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop for someone to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

edit

please help me correct the English version Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union and the new Secretary General of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) Duong is Ahmed Nadeem and the new President of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) is Yoshinori Imai 2402:800:6171:1CFD:492D:2D14:CD9A:F0EA (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

IP editor: you have made a large number of edits to the article Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union today, none of which have been reverted. What help do you need? You can discuss further changes you are unsure of on its talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You have made about fifteen edits to Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union today. How are we supposed to know what you are trying to correct?

I suggest you ask at the talk page Talk:Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union, specifying exactly what the change is that you are trying to achiee. ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

musicians in Amarillo Texas

I would like to add a musician in Amarillo Texas Curtromanowski (talk) 16:47, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Curtromanowski Do you mean you wish to add an article about a musician for whom we do not presently have an article? Or do you mean you wish to add Category:Musicians from Amarillo, Texas to an existing article about a musician? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps they mean that there is a musician in need of directions? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 05:26, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

When Draft goes public?

Checking when draft goes publiv Positiveinlife (talk) 04:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I've added the AfC template to Draft:Councillor Supriya Singh, which I assume is the draft you were talking about. If you think it's ready, then you just need to click on "Submit The Draft For Review" and an AfC reviewer will look at it. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 04:59, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Positiveinlife. Drafts are public, if you know where to look for them. If you are asking when a draft becomes an encyclopedia article, most commonly, that is when an Articles for creation reviewer accepts it. But any autoconfirmed editor can move a draft to the main space of the encyclopedia. At that point, new page patrollers can take a variety of steps, including moving it back to draft space or tagging it for deletion. The fact of the matter is that many poor quality drafts never make it into the encyclopedia and are deleted by a bot six months after editing of them stops. Cullen328 (talk) 05:05, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Positiveinlife, you say that this photograph is your own work. Can we infer that you are doing PR work for Supriya Singh? -- Hoary (talk) 06:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I think it's more likely that the photo is not their own work as they claimed and that they simply took it from the Fine Gael website. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 11:50, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Positiveinlife Be aware that drafts about living people have to meet a policy that all substantive facts are backed up by inline citations to already-published sources which verify the information. At present, your draft has no sourcing for the "Early life" or "Personal life" sections and is likely to be declined just for that reason. It is possible that the types of sources mentioned in this advice would be acceptable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Question for administrator

{{Admin help}}

What was the reason for the deletion of my newly created page, 'The Tipsy Mystery,' by user User:Jimfbleak? Infinityblu (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

If you click on The Tipsy Mystery, you will see it was deleted as unambiguous promotion. 331dot (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

But this page isn't create for any promotional purposes. Infinityblu (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

You wrote an article about a TV show before the show is even released. There is no reason to do that except for publicity purposes, which isn't permitted.

You can start over in draft space and submit it for review. See WP:AFC for details. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:18, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Infinityblu, you actually wrote about an unreleased TV show: The story follows Ping (Engfa), a famous spirit medium, who unexpectedly gets involved in a wild party called “PARADISE SEVEN”, a hotspot for hot young people, including four notorious playboys: Pee (Tre), Ter (Sarun), Jock (Point), and Doong (Chae). Also present is Bam (Nichaphat), a stunningly attractive and seductive woman whose fiery allure sets the party ablaze. That is overtly promotional language which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@331dot, Anachronist, and Cullen328: thanks all. Infinityblu, if you have further queries about the deletion, please ask on my talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:40, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Google visibility of the Wiki Article

Hello WikiTeam, I'd like to express my appreciation for all the great work you’re doing here. I also respond to your financial support calls in Czechia. I just wanted to ask if you could provide me with any idea what I could do to earn the JETRON article (Jetron) visibility on Google. I would really appreciate any tips! Many thanks, Tomas Tomas Cafourek (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Tomas Cafourek The article will not be made available to search engines until the new pages patrol have checked it meets Wikipedia's standards, especially for notability, or 90 days have elapsed. The NPP are heavily backlogged. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Tomas Cafourek, you can learn more about this process at Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. Cullen328 (talk) 17:22, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Aside from what the others have said, you weren't supposed to create the article directly since you're a paid editor. You must use the Articles for Creation process to publish any article you create. I'm not sure what we can do now since it's been a month. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 18:01, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Draft:Jetron, because it is not clear that the subject meets our criteria for articles about companies, and because several of its statements are uncited.

Please feel free to continue to work on it three, and when you feel those issues are adequately addressed, use The AFC process to submit it for review by a neutral editor.

In future, when you are paid to write articles, please do so in "Draft": space" and use the aforesaid process; do not publish them directly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

article Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Federation

Secretary General Ahmed Nadeem

Note 1: Mr. Ahmed Nadeem was appointed Secretary General of ABU. Source: https://vov.vn/the-gioi/ong-ahmed-nadeem-duoc-bo-nhiem-lam-tong-thu-ky-cua-abu-post988457.vov, source: https://vov.vn, access date: December 5, 2022 

,Please help us 2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 18:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm afraid I have no idea what you are asking. What do you need help with? GoldRomean (talk) 02:32, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

We do not have an article titled "Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Federation" (or about any relevant Ahmed Nadeem).

We do have an article about the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (perhaps we need a redirect from . . . Federation?). Currently its infobox names Cho Dae-hyun as its President (not Secretary General), but the caption to his photograph in the article describes him as "ABU former President".

(I have de-linked his name in the infobox, as the linked article was to an obviously different person of the same name.)

The post of 'Secretary General' is nowhere mentioned in the Union's article.

Google Translate rendered the text of the cited news article (in Voice of Vietnam), which is dated 05/12/2022 as:

Mr. Ahmed Nadeem will assume the position of Secretary General of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union (ABU) from 1 April 2023.

Mr. Ahmed Nadeem will succeed Dr. Javad Mottaghi, who has served as Secretary General since May 2010 and will end his term at the end of March 2023. Mr. Nadeem is currently the Director, Technology & Innovation of ABU.

The information was released by the ABU Council after its meeting in New Delhi on 24 November 2022. The meeting took place within the framework of the 59th ABU General Assembly taking place from 25-30 November 2022 in New Delhi, India.

ABU was founded in 1964 as a non-profit, non-governmental, non-political professional association with the mission of supporting the development of radio and television in the region. Currently, ABU has more than 250 members in more than 70 countries on four continents.

The ABU General Assembly is held annually in member countries with many activities to promote cooperation in radio and television among member stations in the region as well as honor those working in this field. The ABU Prize is an important part of each General Assembly, honoring outstanding radio and television works of ABU member stations.

This year, Voice of Vietnam made a remarkable mark in the ABU Awards with 3 awards, including the first time winning 2 Excellence Awards in the category of news reportage in the Radio and Digital Media category.

This leaves some unresolved questions that the OP needs to clarify:

• Is Cho Dae-hyun indeed no longer the President of the ABU?
• If so, who (if anyone) has succeeded him?
• Does the OP propose that we add the post and office holder of Secretary General to the article?

or that we

• replace that of President with that of Secretary General?
• Since this report is two and a half years old, do we have any more up-to-date information about these post holders?

Hope this helps {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 04:51, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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Tổng thư ký Ahmed Nadeem

Ghi chú 1: Ông Ahmed Nadeem được bổ nhiệm làm Tổng Thư ký ABU. Nguồn: https://vov.vn/the-gioi/ong-ahmed-nadeem-duoc-bo-nhiem-lam-tong-thu-ky-cua-abu-post988457.vov, nguồn: https://vov.vn, ngày truy cập: 5 tháng 12 năm 2022 

2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 18:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Missing article 2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 09:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Translates as: "Note 1: Mr. Ahmed Nadeem was appointed as Secretary General of ABU. Source: ..."

Our article Ahmed Nadeem is about a cricketer; presumably not the same person.

How can we help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

user:my name page

I was under the impression that what was being asked for below user:my name was information about myself for other users or administrators, that it was not in anyway an article that would be posted as an information page on wikipedia.

so what do you want on user:my name ? what should i be putting there and for what purpose?

Larry Beinhart (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Larry Beinhart: I didn't see what you had written there previously, and I'm not an administrator so I can't see deleted content, but speaking generally, your user page ideally should contain information about you within the context of being a Wikipedia editor. Some other personal information is permissible, but the page should reflect you as an editor and not look more like a more general social media profile. Hope this helps. --Finngall ^talk 19:38, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Larry Beinhart There is a more detailed account of what is and what isn't acceptable on user pages at the links I have provided. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

My company acquired this company with an existing wiki page and we need to delete it

Hello. My company Alorica had acquired this company Expert Global Solutions in 2016. We are in the process of creating our own Alorica Wikipedia page, but we need to either merge or delete this Expert Global Solutions page. Is that possible to do? AloricaMarketing (talk) 19:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@AloricaMarketing Generally no. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a trade directory.

Note that there is no such thing as our Wikipediaa page. You also need to abide by WP:PAID and other policies. You may not advertise here. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 19:40, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

No advertising here. Apologies for the incorrect terminology. There is currently no encyclopedia Alorica page, and I am in the process of authoring one so there is one for the company. For companies that are subsidiaries of other companies and have an encyclopedia page already, how does one go about creating something that merges into the parent company encyclopedia page. AloricaMarketing (talk) 19:46, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't know much about this company, but I noticed that Alorica is apparently the subject of a diss track by Bryson Gray. Fabrickator (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

A merge may not be appropriate; as an encyclopaedia, we want to preserve historical information.

Our article about Expert Global Solutions already states in its lede that the company was acquired by Alorica in 2016: when an article about Alorica is successfully drafted, submitted, assessed and accepted, that mention can be wikilinked to it.

On a separate point, please note that your current Username is unacceptable, since it denotes a position within an organisation rather than an individual. For legal reasons, all user accounts must pertain to a single individual (see Wikipedia:Username policy#Usernames implying shared use). You can ask for it to be changed to something like "Fred at AloricaMarketing" as instructed at Wikipedia:Username policy#Changing your username. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 05:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Shirley Temple, Freed

Temple clearly stated that Freed entered the room fully naked. He was a known pedophile. Wikipedia paints him as a flasher. There is a difference between a sick mind thinking that exposing one's genitalia is somehow comedy and a person that has sex with children. Do not excuse Freed as the former when the eyewitness account is of the latter. Freed was a pedophile. 174.67.150.56 (talk) 19:51, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Currently, the article on Arthur Freed cites this Vanity Fair article which in turn quotes an extract from Temple's autobiography Child Star - in which Temple does not say that he entered the room fully naked (perhaps she said that somewhere else?). What I don't see, is how the article paints Freed as a flasher, could you quote the actual phrasing that you object to? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Please make suggestions for improvement (with an explicit proposal, e.g, "instead of X, say Y") on the talk page of the article in question, including a reliable citation which supports the proposal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Bar chart from Hell

I tried copying and then incrementally modifying the launch chart from Long March 3B to Long March 3A (e.g. deleting the last column) without success. Where's the documentation? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: There is quite a lot to read about tables structure, see links at WP:TABLE. --CiaPan (talk) 20:42, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what bar chart you refer to, but H:BCHART could be of some help... --CiaPan (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: The source of Long March 3B#Launch statistics says #invoke:Chart so it uses Module:Chart. I haven't examined what the values should be but [5] will avoid a module error if you delete the last colon in each group so they end with a number, and you add five colons somewhere in x legends so it gets 30 colons like the groups. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Not approved due to sources be primary? Error: S0091

Jay Sweet (musician)

for some reason, this page was up and running for quite some time and now wont be approved, it keeps getting denied, how can i fix this?? 2600:4809:8851:5000:BC32:8307:AEC3:296B (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

It is now at Draft:Jay Sweet (musician). Please see the messages left by reviewers. 331dot (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, S0091 is a user, not an error code. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 22:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Ha! I don't know @ChildrenWillListen, maybe I am just an error code. S0091 (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Username Correction

Hi, I inadvertently misspelled my first name of my username. I spelled it Kenneh Armstrong and it should be Kenneth Armstrong. How do I correct it? Kenneh Armstrong (talk) 22:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Seeing as this is your only edit so far, the easiest way is to just create a new account with the correct name. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Umar Buba Jibrin

Genuinely unsure if this is the best place to post this, but could use a second opinion.

In recent edits at Umar Buba Jibrin, the subject's name has been changed throughout, from Jibrin to Jibril. This is backed up by the new sources given; older sources have the other spelling.

I have no idea how to handle this, if anything needs doing. Does the article itself need renaming? Would someone please take a look? I'm willing to fix the footnotes mess, but don't want to change the page until the name issue is resolved. Thank you, Jessicapierce (talk) 01:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Interesting situation indeed. (You're probably aware of this already but) the first thing I noticed was this edit, might be WP:COI editing or WP:OR; I would check the info added there carefully for source-text integrity. The same editor also made this, with the edit summary "Correction of name from Jibrin to Jibril". Other Help desk people probably can answer better, but I would follow WP:COMMONNAME and go with what most sources say. @Isah Yahaya, perhaps you could weigh in on the meaning of this edit? GoldRomean (talk) 02:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you - I had actually totally missed that edit summary. For the time being, given the many issues going on there, I've restored the earlier version. I appreciate the help! Jessicapierce (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Anthony Myint

Anthony Myint has big problems, I don't know how to tag or analyze it, but this page and the edit history look odd.

Piñanana (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Well in this edit, there were innapropriate external links added, and a personal life section added that was cited to a broken link. So I've reverted that one, which was by yourself. Were there other problems jumping out at you? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 09:04, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I have cleaned it up some more. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 16:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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Members of the Secretariat of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union include: Indra Prakash Singh (Director of News) and Cail Yanijang (Director of Sports) and Dr Veysel Binday (Director of Technology & Innovations) and Aoki Kazumori (Director of Pogramming) 2402:800:6171:1CFD:E93C:A30A:55A1:A410 (talk) 09:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

If you have changes to suggest to a Wikipedia article, post on that article's talk page - but remember that all information in a Wikipedia article should be verifiable from a reliable published source. Your unsupported word will not be accepted. ColinFine (talk) 10:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Pronouns

How should articles refer to people who use neutral pronouns other than "they/them," such as "ze/zer," "ze/hir," "xe/xem," among others? Should these be used or should "they" be used? Questionadora ávida (talk) 09:24, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Neopronouns and the singular they says Singular they/them/their pronouns are appropriate to use in reference to any person who goes by them. If a person exclusively goes by neopronouns, such as ze/hir, then singular they should also generally be used instead of neopronouns when referring to that individual, though their neopronouns should usually be mentioned in their biography (in the main prose or in a footnote). TSventon (talk) 09:47, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Elon Musk

Header added by ColinFine (talk)

Elon musk does Elon musk randomly pick people to give money and prizes to and charge money to activate for winners to receive prizes 2001:8003:B142:2500:5CEB:77FE:DAD4:9552 (talk) 10:16, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia, and nothing else. If your question is not answered in that article Elon Musk or by googling, I suggest that the answer is probably not publicly available. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

At the risk of encouraging further misuse of this help page, the answer is blindingly obvious. This is a scam. If you send money to 'activate' your prize (which everyone contacted by the scammers 'wins'), you get nothing back. And Elon Musk has nothing to do with it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:46, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

page guideline

I have created new company's page on wikipedia noe my page is in draft kindly guide what will be the next step? Volkio German Lube (talk) 11:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a 'company page' on Wikipedia. We have encyclopaedic articles, on subjects meeting our notability criteria (see WP:NCORP), which must be base on, and cited to published reliable sources independent of the subject. Since you provide no link to your draft, we clearly cannot give advice on whether it meets our requirements, but if you are sure it does, first make a declaration per WP:COI and WP:PAID, and then submit the draft per WP:AFCREVIEW. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Which page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

listing our business

Good day. How could we get our business listed on Wikipedia? Barnesrbj (talk) 11:55, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Basically, you don't. The business should meet Wikipedia's standards of notability, and if you are linked to the business in some way, you should declare a conflict of interest. See WP:BOSS and WP:NCORP for more detail.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:26, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Location

Hello guys stuff still deleted need address for Mike hard lemonade N.C. I am looking glass maker granny please reply me all thank you very much 50.111.213.233 (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

This page is for help with editing Wikipedia, did you have a question about that? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 15:57, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Mitzura Arghezi

Why is Mitzura Arghezi "Romanian of Hungarian origin"? Only Arghezi's second wife, Rozalia (Iosif Barutu's mother), was from Transylvania... 109.166.138.68 (talk) 15:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I take it this is about the article, Mitzura Arghezi? Which includes the sentence, "Her mother, Paraschiva, hailing from a rural family of Bukovina Romanians, was Arghezi's second wife." And since the article doesn't include the text "Romanian of Hungarian origin", I am guessing your objection is to being in the Category:Romanian people of Hungarian descent? It would really be helpful if you could be specific about your concerns - so that we can know how to help you. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 15:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Daniel Martindale

Daniel Martindale

Help me add infomation, please in this an article. СтасС (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

What would you like to add? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:16, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

a text--СтасС (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

What text? Also, are you saying that you want to add info or that you want others to help add info? GoldRomean (talk) 16:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you!--СтасС (talk) 16:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

An edit

I have a feeling that the site won't let me in--I've been having issues with logins all year. All I want is to see that your article on "Rupert Hughes" (author) is up to date. The man wrote *three* novels about "Lakerim." They are: The Lakerim Athletic Club (1898), The Dozen From Lakerim (1899), and The Lakerim Cruise (1910). You can confirm this on this page: https://www.unz.com/print/author/HughesRupert/. 8.40.81.202 (talk) 17:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you're having login problems, but logging in is actually not necessary to edit most articles. I encourage you to edit Rupert Hughes yourself. It's the fastest way to see an article fixed! The source you linked here isn't ideal according to our policies about reliable sources but the book itself is also a "source" for its existence. If you have questions about editing when you give it a try, feel free to ask. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 17:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)