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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zhao Xinmin

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Questionable whether there was any WP:SUSTAINED notability here to merit any article. Amigao (talk) 14:54, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete After checking a few references they do not seem to verify the contents properly (and are AI generated), the 2002 award is not mentioned by the source. Neither is the HIV thing, in fact the source mentions an entirely different motive (money) which are the first two I checked... it is better to delete it and start over.
Probably notable though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The more I look the worse this gets. The broad strokes are here but almost all the fine details in this article seem to have been hallucinated by AI. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:11, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. The 2002 award is mentioned by name in the source's headline (" 《感动中国》2002年度人物：赵新民 " - "2002 'Touching China' figure: Zhao Xinmin"), and the beginning of the first paragraph ("颁奖") makes it clear the topic is an award. I agree there seems to be no mention of HIV in the source cited for that claim, but HIV is mentioned in this source cited later in the same paragraph. However, the URLs with ?utm_source=chatgpt.com are a red flag for sure. The subject seems to be notable, but I can see an argument for WP:TNT on the basis that the article appears to be LLM-generated. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:00, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. I see no consensus here, and with such broad participation, it's unlikely a consensus would materialize with another relisting or two. The trend seems to be a shift towards the Keep side, but not enough to offset the earlier Redirect views. As such, please refrain from renominating the article for six months, which would also give us some perspective with regards to WP:LASTING. Owen× ☎ 21:25, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania Governor's Residence fire

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This likely fails WP:NOTABILITY and WP:RECENCY, as most other arson attacks don't have pages. For similar reference, the 2008 arson attack to the Texas Governor's Mansion doesn't have its own page. Red0ctober22 (talk) 03:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment This has gotten major coverage and, unlike the Texas fire, directly threatened the Governor's life.
COREmelt (talk) 04:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What would be the basis for speedying? Also, since the suspect has been accused with attempted murder, why the insistence on reducing the significance to the Governor's Residence? gidonb (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Pennsylvania Governor's Residence: Per CorrectionsJackal. As of now, the contents of this incident could be easily condensed into a section on that article, as has been done already. Raskuly (talk) 13:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect: to the article about the residence. I think this might be more of an issue, but it's TOOSOON at this point. Can create an article on it when it has sustained coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 14:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify I dont agree with the redirect or the deletion, it should be draftified untill more info comes out Shaneapickle (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect Unless a whole lot more info comes out, this doesn't warrant a standalone article. Estreyeria (talk) 19:04, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This was a very serious, dangerous attack with heavy news and media coverage. Scanlan (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – Per ample coverage and based on similar events, there is no question that this meets the GNG and EVENT and that coverage will be LASTING, as this will go into history books. The only weakness is that the article is rather short. No doubt, however, that it will be expanded. gidonb (talk) 23:29, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – This was the attempted assassination of a major political figure and his family inside their own home. It has garnered significant media coverage already and there is reasonable expectation that further developments in the investigation, public reaction and indictment/trial of the suspect will gain additional and significant media coverage.JoeyLyles (talk) 00:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Attacking a prominent Jewish governor's home on Passover is very much a significant event and crime. There is ample coverage about the incident and perspectives on its meaning for the US at this moment in history. Redirecting to an article on the residence also seems bizarre as the the context is more about the family and alleged antisemitism.
Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 00:48, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please you explain the "no source" part in your opinion? The suspect has been charged with attempted murder, as quoted by the sources. There appears to be tension between the "no source" in your opinion and ample references in the article sources out there. gidonb (talk) 13:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gidonb, I didn't see that, but the latter part of my oppose stands. — EF5 13:55, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What would be that latter part? Not significant, house fires / arson happens all the time also talks down the significance of this event. The suspect has been charged with terrorism and attempted murder. gidonb (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, WP:TOOSOON? I don't know what you are trying to get out of me by discounting a delete vote in a discussion that clearly will end as "keep", but WP:BLUDGEONING the single delete vote isn't doing anything good. — EF5 14:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Only had some questions. That's allowed. So the delete stands, the reasoning not so much. gidonb (talk) 14:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The suspect is accused of attempted murder and terrorism. The article should be moved to reflect that. This is disregarded by most who wish to merge or delete, weakening their arguments. They somehow seem focused only on the damage to the property, creating at least the appearance that the governor, his family and friends do not really matter. We can discuss the precise name after the article is kept. gidonb (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then change the rules? Why don't we switch it up? How can MORE articles possibly be a bad thing? Why would there be some common norm for certain types of events to NOT have articles? You wikipedians are ridiculous! Montefjanton (talk) 10:21, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we follow WP:EVENT, the article is kept. We're absolutely right to have rules and to follow them — nothing ridiculous about that! gidonb (talk) 22:03, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it's a significant enough event to deserve its own article and will help keep Shapiro's page at a reasonable length. Monk of Monk Hall (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Qaeda safe houses, Kabul

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Random hodgepodge of references to random locations. Fails WP:OR and WP:SYNTH and utterly lacks focused WP:SIGCOV to establish WP:RS. Longhornsg (talk) 04:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abd al-Rahman Bin Khalil Bin Abdallah Nur

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Collection of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH to create an article about a non-notable individual who fails WP:NBIO. Being on a random "most wanted poster", without corresponding WP:SIGCOV does not satisfy WP:GNG. Not to mention this is a WP:BLPCRIME issue. Longhornsg (talk) 20:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Much of this AfD revolved around the question of whether news is primary or secondary source. True, WP:PRIMARYNEWS is an explanatory essay, but it is broadly accepted as our best practice. Even if there were a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS among participants in this AfD to deprecate WP:PRIMARYNEWS - which there isn't - it would not supercede the general consensus. Furthermore, even ignoring WP:PRIMARYNEWS, WP:SECONDARY tells us the same, especially when combined with Note d and the accompanying definitions from Duke University Libraries. With the policy question out of the way, it is easier to assess consensus here. I see a rough consensus to delete the article. I see no proposal for an ATD, but any EC editor is welcome to recreate the page as a redirect to a suitable target. Owen× ☎ 20:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Tapuah Junction shooting

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No secondary coverage. Wikipedia is not a repository of news stories. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 20:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Thebiguglyalien hello, im not familiar with the English Wikipedia article deletion policy, so i would be happy if you would be able to explain to me why 2013 Tapuah Junction stabbing, and 2010 Tapuah Junction stabbing considered notable enough for an article, and this article isn't. There an important detail that i didn't mention in the article cause i didn't found source in English for this particular claim but there a lot of Hebrew sources. This detail is the fact that the settlement of Evyatar was re-establish be Israeli settlers as "response" for this attack.Benbaruch (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Someone would have to look at those articles, but it's possible they aren't notable either. Articles about events on the English Wikipedia require sustained coverage beyond the initial reporting of the event. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 20:59, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Thebiguglyalien, i understand, but what do think about the fact that a large output that currently being regulated by the Israeli government, was re-establish as "response" for this attack, don't you think that this fact makes the article about the attack notable enough? Benbaruch (talk) 21:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Keep There was the attack. Following that there was a manhunt which got coverage including his wife being arrested. He had a trial which got additional coverage. Then Israel military demolished his family home, which got coverage including the US State Department condemning it (a rare event).
The article needs work and additional sources, but I do think this incident and it's aftermath got sustained notice both within Israel but also around the globe. Searching using the name of the perpetrator is a good place to start for additional sources[1] -- Bob drobbs (talk) 21:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Under scholarly sources, I found one book which doesn't just have a description of the attack but also discuss clashes and violence in response to Israel engaging in the manhunt[2] Bob drobbs (talk) 21:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm updating my vote to Strong Keep after reviewing the number of sources which covered this attack and it's aftermath.
And while WP:OTHER isn't usually the strongest argument, in this case if we start applying a not-policy definition of secondary source which some here are trying to use to justify the deletion of even articles where hundreds of news articles were written about an event over a period of years, then much of this site would have to be deleted. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'd consider merge or redirect to an appropriate page, which is the level of treatment that this gets in the book above. To meet GNG, a subject must have significant coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. The newspaper coverage is primary, as is the state department rebuke. The book, Jewish Lives Matter has only a short entry that does not significantly describe the attack such that a wikipedia page can be written. The nature of the work shows why multiple sources are required. We are certainly not at a WP:N pass yet, and if we are to rely on this kind of sourcing to keep an article then systematic bias in our coverage is likely. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    > The newspaper coverage is primary...
    I'm not sure this understanding of secondary sources is correct.  Reading through it again, a newspaper journalist synthesizing facts regarding an incident seems sufficient to qualify as secondary:
    "A Secondary source provides thought and reflection based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event. It contains analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources"
    Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary,_secondary_and_tertiary_sources
    In which case, this incident got plenty of secondary source coverage over an extended period of time.
    -- Bob drobbs (talk) 17:01, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This comment is meta. Which sources do you contest are secondary, and why? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:36, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said above, based on policy it seems that all that's required to be a secondary source is for someone at least one step removed from the event synthesizing facts about it. And for this story, there are dozens (if not hundreds) of examples over a period of years. Here are just a few of them:
In this Haaretz article about the conviction the journalist synthesized a bunch of related facts regarding this case.
https://archive.is/CzIV8
Here's an article which focuses on the demolition of his family's home, but also meets the metric of synthesizing facts:
https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/08/us-israel-palestinians-violence
Here's another one which condemns Rashida Tlaib for tweeting about the house demolition.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/07/11/antisemitic-congresswoman-rashida-tlaib-slammed-on-twitter-for-denouncing-demolition-of-palestinian-terrorists-home-failing-to-mention-his-victim/
The US embassy issuing a condemnation is a primary source. Tlaib tweeting about it is a primary source. But if any journalist writes about these things then that's a secondary source. Bob drobbs (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Let's look at each of these:
  1. The Haaretz article is a news report about sentencing of Muntasir Shalabi. This is a primary source. See WP:PRIMARYNEWS or any good book on historiography. It is a discursive primary source, and it reports the background, that is, the shooting, saying Shalabi, a U.S. citizen, was convicted of shooting the three victims from inside his car while they were waiting at a bus stop at the Tapuah junction in the northern West Bank. and later According to his indictment Shalabi fired from close range and stopped shooting when his gun malfunctioned and fled the scene. That's not SIGCOV, but notice carefully that "According to his indictment". The news source is reporting court documents. This is a primary source for this detail also. News reporting is a primary source, and does not count towards notability, and that is Wikipedia policy. Red XN
  2. The Euronews article is a news report of the demolition of his house. Again, this is reporting events, and adds reported detail of the background of the events. This is a primary source. Again, refer to WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Red XN
  3. The algemeiner: This is a news report of criticism of the demolition of Shalabi's home. It contains only this background on the topic of the article: Of course what Hamas lobbyist @RashidaTlaib omits to mention is fact that this home belonged to a Palestinian terrorist who murdered a Jewish Israeli man. That is not SIGCOV, and is a quotation in response to the criticism. It, too, is primary sourcing. Note that what we don't have is a source that has synthesised material here. We don't have an article that has examined the whole matter, and draw together reporting, and chosen to include this criticism, and examined its effects. Instead we have a news report that we have decided to include in the article. The synthesis is ours. Again, this is a discursive primary source, and does not count towards notability. Red XN
Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why you're looking at Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS as the best or only place to determine what a secondary source. Above you rejected my argument as "meta", but have you looked at Wikipedia:SECONDARY which defines what a secondary source is.
It only requires a few things:
  • At least one step removed from an event
  • Contains analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas
And here's my understanding of the word "synthesis" in this context:
  • Combining information from multiple sources to create a new, cohesive understanding or argument
Do you have a different understanding of the word?
And is there any disagreement with the idea that the Haaretz journalist probably talked to multiple people and maybe reviewed multiple documents to put together their news report? Bob drobbs (talk) 17:44, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PRIMARYNEWS links you to the policy page. Now look on WP:SECONDARY, scroll up a couple of paragraphs, and read note d under WP:PRIMARY. These are primary sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong Keep, I noticed another editor saying that wikipedia is not news, and though that is true, that is not what this is about. A review of the sources in both English as well as Hebrew demonstrates clear notability per WP:GNG for this article to be kept. The article also references an event from 2021. This was and is a notable event that meets our standards for encyclopedic mention. Keep all around. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Per Bob Drobbs comments and further inquiry, my Strong Keep moves to Even stronger Keep. Iljhgtn (talk) 15:26, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi lijhgtn. You may only have one highlighted !vote per AfD. I am curious though: your !vote above was made at 15:26 yesterday, but you had !voted on a previous AfD just 2 minutes earlier, at 15:24. Did you do your WP:BEFORE review of the sourcing at some other time? Would you be willing to post up your source review? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:38, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I bolded text after the first and only !vote. Will it somehow count as a second one? If so, that was not my intention, I was simply bolding the second mention of "Strong Keep" and "Even Stronger Keep" for emphasis. I thought only your first bolded !vote was "counted" (and yes I know they are not simply votes and therefore it is not simply a matter of which "side" has the highest number of !votes on their side but rather which arguments are most based in policy. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:00, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    In other words, if I did something wrong, please ping me and let me know so that I come back to this thread and I will correct it. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for removing the additional bolding. It keeps things clearer for the closer. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: This did not receive any – let alone significant! – secondary source coverage over time and warrants deletion for that reason. (WP:NOTNEWS / WP:SIGCOV) Already covered in Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2021, besides. Smallangryplanet (talk) 11:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    See my comments above. Can you please clarify what your understanding of a secondary source is?
    Because it appears that between coverage of this shooting and coverage of the perpetrator/aftermath dozens if not hundreds of secondary sources gave significant coverage to this story. And to clarify my use of the word "significant" these weren't just passing mentions, these were are all news articles written specifically about the incident or things directly related to it's aftermath (manhunt, trial, home demolition) which IMO should be included in the scope of this article.
    As just one example, of countless examples, here is a secondary source giving coverage of the attack:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/student-shot-in-west-bank-drive-by-shooting-dies-of-injuries/ Bob drobbs (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Times of Israel article is a news report of the death of Yehuda Guetta. The article is news reporting throughout. As above, refer to WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Such reports are primary sources occasioned by the event (this one is occasioned by the death of the victim). These are not secondary sources demonstrating notability nor WP:LASTING effect. Red XN Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:50, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      IMO Wikipedia:Secondary source seems like a better, and probably the definitive place, to try to get an understanding of what a secondary source is. Bob drobbs (talk) 18:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Yes, scroll up a couple of paragraphs on that page and carefully read note d regarding what are primary sources. Per policy, these are primary sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:31, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      I did scroll up. it seems 100% clear that Times of Israel (and countless other sources) aren't a primary sources based on this definition:
      "Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved. They offer an insider's view of an event..."
      But there's also this qualification:
      "For Wikipedia's purposes, breaking news stories are also considered to be primary sources..."
      I wasn't sure, so I had to look up how wikipedia defines "breaking news":
      "Breaking-news reports often contain serious inaccuracies. As an electronic publication, Wikipedia can and should be up to date, but Wikipedia is not a newspaper and it does not need to go into all details of a current event in real time. It is better to wait a day or two after an event before adding details to the encyclopedia" Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Breaking_news
      So it seems very clear that the only standard here is to treat news stories within 24 hours of an event with a large degree of skepticism, not that every single news article written within 6-12 months of an event is a primary source. Bob drobbs (talk) 19:12, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      This is just wikilawyering. Have another read of WP:PRIMARYNEWS. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:20, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      You keep referring to WP:PRIMARYNEWS, but that page is just an opinion essay written by some editors:
      "This page provides additional information about concepts in the page(s) it supplements. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community'"'
      By comparison, WP:SECONDARY is policy. Bob drobbs (talk) 00:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      It is an explanatory essay explaining Wikipedia policy, and which, like all explanatory essays, has a higher level of consensus than someone trying to assert that a news source is only primary if it is within 24 hours of an event. It also links quite clearly to the policy. News reports are primary sources. It is not just Wikipedia saying so.

      Discursive primary sources include other people’s accounts of what happened, such as reports of meetings, handbooks, guides, diaries, pamphlets, newspaper articles, sermons and literary and artistic sources.[1]: 69 .

      Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      At any rate, WP:SECONDARY is very clear: A secondary source provides thought and reflection based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event. It contains analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. The ToI article provided does none of these things. Smallangryplanet (talk) 08:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      News reports are primary sources
      Yes, some very academic-focused essays make this claim, but this is not wiki policy.
      There's literally a WP:In the news section featured at the top of the homepage which is written based on news reports. Bob drobbs (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Why does Wikipedia need to define what a secondary/primary source are? This is a real term and not something made up for the purpose of the project like WP:NOTABILITY. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:54, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      It is wikipedia policy. See WP:PRIMARY and especially note d. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no secondary coverage, and yes news reports are primary sources: [3] Traumnovelle (talk) 07:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Donnelly, Mark P.; Norton, Claire (2021). Doing history (2nd ed.). London New York: Routledge Taylor & Francis Group. ISBN 9781138301559.
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@Liz, isn't that when a "No consensus" close is appropriate? Iljhgtn (talk) 23:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion was started on March 27. Is it standard practice to just relist into eternity until a super majority is presented? Iljhgtn (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
up to 3 relists are quite common where consensus remains unclear. Note that Liz said this is the final relist. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 05:55, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is 3 the maximum? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:02, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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