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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 17:29, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Demzy BaYe

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and all the sources cannot count toward WP: GNG. There are also elements of source farming here, in June 2024, this source was published in up to nine ([1] , [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] different newspapers with different titles but same contents word for word. Probably, the subject's notability is tied to being the originator of Baye Dance step, however, the dance step is also not notable. I would have redirect it to Dance with a Purpose Academy (DWP Academy) but it has no page on Wikipedia. Ibjaja055 (talk) 10:20, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: In accepting the draft of this article, I considered it under WP:NMUSICOTHER, and yes, took the invention of dance steps to be notable, supported by national shows and performances, as documented. I don't think we're seeing source farming - rather, as happens with AP and similar, a base article was probably produced in one source location and circulated (it's not a press release) - the piece was found in respectable sources such as the Accra Times - so the only limitation is that that counts only once. Given performance, choreography, etc., I believe GNG is met, if not by much - I've seen a lot of less-well-attested articles (and yes, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is valid, but I weight what there is vs. the source base in Ghana). SeoR (talk) 17:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SeoR Thanks for the explanation but I took my time to go through all the sources and couldn't find GNG sources. The widely circulated source is highly promotional with flowery languages.hijacking the internet...He boasts a remarkable footprint... the multidimensional dance powerhouse whose talent has garnered widespread admiration and inspired an entire generation. .... Other sources are social media gossips like [9] [10] [11] and so on. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for coming back, and I see your point. I do think the over-circulated article could be genuine "entertainment journalism" which often tends to the flowery, but I agree it's not ideal. And the "gossipy" materials are only good for background, not as primary references. I will try to search some of the main Ghana media sites for more. In the end, this was a "Random AfC" and I have no attachment, but I am aware that our coverage of areas such as arts in most non-EU, non-Anglosphere countries could use a boost, so I'd be loathe to lose an article with real potential. SeoR (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete: It's a delete, the sourcing just isn't there... Inventing a dance step seems like a tenuous claim to notability with such poor sourcing. I can't find anything extra we could use. Oaktree b (talk) 00:30, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ibjaja055Per @WP:GNG, a topic is presumed notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Demzy Baye meets this criterion because:
He has been featured in multiple suitable sources, including GhanaWeb, CitiNewsroom, Channel1News, MyJoyOnline, and Pulse Ghana.
These sources provide significant, non-trivial coverage, not just passing mentions.
The sources are independent and reliable, meeting Wikipedia's editorial standards.
His contributions, including originating the Baye Dance Step and influencing DWP Academy, demonstrate lasting impact in the dance industry.
Since Demzy Baye meets @WP:GNG and @WP:NMUSICBIO, deletion is unnecessary. Instead, efforts can be made to improve citations if needed. Kwekujasper (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 02:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Melvin Coombs

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Fails WP:VICTIM. Also can not be solved by simply renaming to Murder of Melvin Coombs. The murder itself fails WP:EVENTCRIT.4meter4 (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don’t know why WP:VICTIM is being invoked here because that very clearly is not the claim to notability? While he is not notable as a murder victim and the murder itself is not notable, The claim to notability is of him as a Native American dancer. That he happened to be killed doesn’t seem to be the notability claim (not mentioned in the lead, little to none of the article is about it). We should be evaluating off NBASIC or GNG. The sources in the last AfD aren’t nothing, but eh. While being murdered doesn’t make a non notable person notable, just the same being murdered does not make a notable person NOT notable PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PARAKANYAA That's because the sources don't support notability in a different context. There aren't any sources with significant coverage about him as a dancer or educator. The one source pre-death used mentions the subject as participating at the Quinnehtukqut Rendezvous & Native American Festival and then gives a brief passing interview with the subject about the festival, but this is neither in-depth nor significant and arguably not independent as its an interview about a different topic. All of the sources where he is the primary subject involve him as a victim and occur after his death. The "Melvin Coombs is not forgotten" piece is primarily about a grand jury, and while it mentions what he did in other contexts, it is clearly a memorial piece about his killing. We would have to see coverage external to coverage of his death and the subsequent court cases to prove notability outside his death, and that just isn't the case. The sources don't exist. As such WP:VICTIM is the cogent policy which tells us he isn't notable because of this lack of sourcing external to his death. 4meter4 (talk) 18:22, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 I’m not saying the other sources are enough for notability in any context (I have not checked yet which is why I haven’t voted) but it’s strange to me to use the rationale when it’s not the claim to notability. Will check later and then vote (from what I’m seeing I assume my vote will be delete but I am away from the computer at the moment lol) PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete after checking for sources, little outside of local coverage, even right when it happened, and what local coverage is there is not particularly extensive. The search was quite annoying because this is not a rare name, but I could not find much, though there were some prior hits it was not helpful. As the nominator states the crime is not notable either. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Let'srun (talk) 21:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Raffa

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Obviously a very accomplished woman, but unfortunately I was unable to locate any independent RS from a reliable publisher. Tulsa Ballet's blog is a self published source and the ABT is her employer. Everything I could find only mentioned her in passing.4meter4 (talk) 01:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Dunning, Jennifer (1985-01-20). "THIS DANCE COMPETITION DOES MORE THAN GIVE PRIZES". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2025-01-10.
  2. ^ Temin, Christine (5 November 1981). "THE MAKING OF A BALLET STAR; AT 17, NANCY RAFFA LEARNS THAT SUCCESS BRINGS MIXED BLESSINGS". Boston Globe (pre-1997 Fulltext) ; Boston, Mass. p. 1 – via Proquest.
  3. ^ Winer, Linda (1980-11-23). "Overworked, underpaid ballet dancers ask whether it's worth it". The Lexington Herald. p. 80. Retrieved 2025-01-10.
  • Keep though that's probably not necessary now that the nominator has withdrawn it. As she was a principal dancer with Ballet de Santiago and Ballet National Francaise, I would expect to find coverage in Chile in Spanish and in France in French. I'll see what I can find. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. asilvering (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cynthia_Akanga

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I believe Cynthia_Akanga fails the WP:GNG criteria. Person has brief bios on both linkedin and imdb but very little independent coverage. SallyRenee (talk) 05:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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you cannot vote twice! FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It is OK by me, @FuzzyMagma, to strike out my vote, but please note that after @Liz relisted the AfD to generate a more thorough discussion, I found new information and references. I think that part at least you should not strike out. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for that. I amended my edit above. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: It would be nice to get a review of the recently added sources to the article.
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  • Delete I came here to close this, but seeing there's been no further discussion per Liz's relisting plea, I'll have a go at it. First of all it is really hard to judge these spammy entertainment sites because they have so many ads it wants to lock up my computer when I open multiple tabs. Just grousing. letempstg.com is an interview with some facts interspersed. It is a weak source. www.telestar.fr seems to be the same as letempstg, so this is a single source. ynetnews is strictly a casual mention. Same with artezblai.com. I can't access Programme-tv.net. purepeople.com is another casual mention, although at least it gives one single biographical fact about the topic. Therefore we have one weak source for this BLP topic, as my other searches turned up nothing else, I don't think this meets any of Wikipedia's notability standards, including BASIC or GNG. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. Sandstein 14:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of music and dance anime

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I'm not an expert with the Anime WP, but the term "music and dance anime" seems not to satisfy WP:NLIST: it's not a specific category on the wiki, the self-imposed criteria of not contain[ing] strictly idol anime, OVAs and ONAs but may contain anime that use idol setting or themes as part of a bigger plot would seem to be so vague and indefinite as to make the list difficult to populate or understand what makes an entry eligible. There is also no sourcing to support list entries. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 02:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but rename to List of musical anime I'll try to fix and redefine it. WP:TNT is also an option . Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    With respect, the two options you've presented are polar opposites. Just clarifying - do you think the list as currently drafted can satisfy WP:NLIST? ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Dance, Music, and Lists. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 07:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the self-imposed criteria of not contain[ing] strictly idol anime, OVAs and ONAs but may contain...", the autor of the article here, is because there already is a list of idol anime and manga so there is no need to duplicate things. Also majority of people are not into both, they are either into idol things or are not. You could divide music anime/manga genres into two broad subgenres: idol subgenre and non-idol subgenre. There are examples for "not strictly idol, but uses idol setting as part of a bigger plot": Heroines Run the Show: The Unpopular Girl and the Secret Task. A girl works for an idol and in idol setting but the story is not about being an idol or becoming an idol. The other is Key the Metal Idol. Also in idol setting but there is a conspiracy behind the curtain and existential crisis of a robot - now compare it to run of the mill idol stories like Pretty Rhythm or D4DJ. There is also anime like Samurai Jam -Bakumatsu Rock-, Hypnosis Mic: Division Rap Battle Rhyme Anima and Paradox Live the Animation for which you could say are idol stories because of the characters but the story is not about being an idol. I don't think it's vague. It's just a question of is there a story about sth other than being (becoming) an idol in the story.
    You stated "Inexplicably it also looks like the list contains manga as well." It does NOT. You should't misguide people and not provide examples. Everything on the list is/has an anime/OVA/ONA, but the "problem" is that not many anime have their own articles or (anime-)links redirect to a manga page. It would be ridiculous to expect than a 1 ep OVA has an article. I tried to have as many blue links as posssible so it's possible there are links to a manga but it DOES have anime/OVA/ONA.
    There is "dance" in the name of the article because there are anime that revolve around dance, rather than just singing and playing instruments, namely Hula Fulla Dance, Brave Beats and Tribe Cool Crew.
    "no sourcing" - not sth that cannot be done after the fact and there is a reason for that. not justification, but for majority of entries there is a blue link to the main article that has all the sourcing you can get so it's not sth I pulled out of my ass. I choose not to source, primarily, because I knew there were bound to be dense people, I was right, and there is likelihood for the article to be deleted, so potentially not to lose extra time I made that decision. A list like this, and this is quite a comprehensive list, takes quite a bit of time to make, more than you could guess. Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 23:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I have omitted the misleading statement in the nomination. I appreciate the time it's taken to create this. WP:NLIST and WP:SALAT is a concern because the list is manually assembled and has an unclear scope. When looking at pages like List of idol anime and manga you can see there's a sourced background and exploration of its scope. Without that here, it's hard to reliably figure out what qualifies an entry for the list other than loosely having a music and/or dance focus. The idol point is a concern because it would be quite WP:ARBITRARY to consider what goes in and out of this article based on an editor's subjective assessment of how much the anime involves an idol plot. That's why external sourcing about this as a clear genre or category is important. Others may consider that this is a very clear and established genre category and if so that's ok and all that needs to be done is better support this in the article. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 00:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per Miminity. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 09:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. User:Setenzatsu.2, I take it that your comment is a vote to "Keep" this article? Also, an AFD can not close with an outcome of "Rename" as that is an editing decision. If that is what you want to happen. then vote to Keep this article and then a potential rename discussion can occur.
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  • Keep. Addendum to my comment/argument presented above: "the self-imposed criteria of not contain[ing] strictly idol anime, OVAs and ONAs but may contain..." was already addressed in my first comment, but to expand upon it (and address ＶＲＸＣＥＳ's answer to my comment: "The idol point is a concern because it would be quite WP:ARBITRARY to consider what goes in and out of this article based..." ), EVEN IF that is a problematic point of the list it only really concerns 2 to 5 anime out of close to 100 on the list. So it's not an argument for deletion of the entire list. Those entries could just be removed or a discussion could be held if those entries should be kept.
    Now addressing "the list is manually assembled and has an unclear scope....hard to reliably figure out what qualifies an entry for the list other than loosely having a music and/or dance focus" I would argue that the scope is not unclear, and that it's not "loosely" focused on music. With two or three exceptions where the story is told with music (no dialog and the story is performed against a background of songs, like in A-Girl or My Oldies Are All Color) every other entry has an individual or a group (band, orchestra...) that PERFORMS music pieces. That is the scope - CHARACTERS PERFORM and are in-world artists in most cases (the same is for the two dance entries), except those few (I believe 2 or 3 at most) works where dialog is replaced with music, but for those music is essential to tell the story. That's the reason, I choose for it to be only an anime list - you can see and hear characters perform music/dance which in manga you cannot, but also while reading manga you cannot even imagine it because you don't know what the songs are, which is a bit different from other types of manga where you can imagine things based on description.
    edit: I realised that on the surface "characters perform" excludes anime music videos (that are longer than 15 minutes if we stick to the requirement given for the list) but the same argument could be made for anime music videos as the argument given for titles like A-Girl or My Oldies Are All Color. edit: Another criterium: Music is part of the plot or drives the plot (for titles like A-Girl or My Oldies Are All Color, or music videos.). Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 14:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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