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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

How to use this page

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What not to propose for discussion here

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The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}. See also WP:T5.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.
Moving and renaming
Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

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  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

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Shortcuts

To list a template for deletion or merging, adhere to the following three-step process. Utilizing Twinkle is strongly recommended as it automates and simplifies these steps. To use Twinkle, click TW in the toolbar (top right of the page), then select XFD. Do not include the "Template:" prefix in any of the steps, unless specifically instructed otherwise.

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If it is an inline template, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or template editors.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025_July_14#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Edit today's TfD log and paste the following text to the top of the list:
  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the |text= before the why (or alternatively, after the }} of the Tfd2/Catfd2).

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Deletion sorting lists are a possible way of doing that.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

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While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

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WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

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While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

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Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. To use Twinkle, click its dropdown menu in the toolbar in the top right of the page: TW , and then click 'XFD'.

Note that Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

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Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

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Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

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July 14

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Template:Western Sahara-note

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Based on arguments made that led to the deletion of the similar Template:Kosovo-note. Essentially, this type of note doesn't exist for all other disputed territories/states (meaning it has an unequal application) and is not necessarily useful (on the pages it is currently used on, Western Sahara's disputed status is made clear.) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:26, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose This note template has been widely used in other general geography articles as well. It saves other editor's time from writing similar notes all over the place. For the same reason, I don't agree with the deletion of Template:Kosovo-note too. According to the United Nations geoscheme, Kosovo, Taiwan, and Western Sahara are the three main disputed territories in the world. In my point of view, we don't need to create note templates for all disputed territories in the world since most of them are pretty small and insignificant, but for the major ones listed by the UN geoscheme, there is no harm in creating such note templates. 2001:8003:9078:2401:F4AB:A200:E87B:BF38 (talk) 02:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Crossrail 2 navbox

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Little point in having any navbox, let alone such a complex one, for a route that is proposed but is in no way currently being considered and is unlikely to be considered in the near future. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:14, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:RTD station map

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Incorrect and unused. Useddenim (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]


July 13

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Template:Michael B. Jordan

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Not primary creator for the films he produced as one of many producers for these. Once these are removed, there is nothing left. WP:FILMNAV --woodensuperman 15:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 June 9
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * it has begun... 18:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Jordan was director of one film and producer of three, which in terms of links is just suitable enough for defining; moreover there are thematic connections between these films, all of which are predominantly identified as Jordan projects (he is also main actor in all of them). For these reasons, a navbox relating to Jordan is not out of place at any of the articles linked, and connecting them as a topic relating to him is appropriate. Kingsif (talk) 20:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Per WP:FILMNAV, we only include primary creators in navboxes. It cannot be stated that Jordan was a primary creator, or auteur on a film like A Journal for Jordan where he was one of five producers. It is not like the golden age of Hollywood, when a producer could sometimes be creative visionary. These days a lot of stars get a producer credit. Therefore inclusion of these films in the navbox is inappropriate, and including his navbox on the bottom of the pages for films that he produced, but not navboxes for the other 4 producers (other than Washington, who actually directed the film) is WP:UNDUE when there is no indication that he was any more involved in the actional creation of the film than any of the others. His acting roles are irrelevant and fall foul of WP:PERFNAV. Also note that we are only talking about a total of four films in total here, which does not meet the WP:NENAN rule of thumb. --woodensuperman 08:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We've been over this, FILMNAV doesn't equate primary creator with auteur - and interpretations differ. Mine, as in my !vote, is that Jordan is the creative who is primarily associated with all of these projects. I have explained why this is so, which is that being director/producer and main actor and a theme that audiences associate with him and his works, does make bidirectional inclusion for Jordan and no other only-producers due (this is also why I mentioned acting roles; there are no films linked that are only acting, no characters linked, as to concern PERFNAV). As for NENAN, this should be a different discussion (and see below that it should be a discussion) - I say above that I think it's just suitable enough, and this view is informed by the thematic connection making it a more tightly-focused group than if the films were more at random. As a new reason for concern, we can discuss this.
    Now, that you continue to insist on pointing at a guideline that's about content suggestions, and which doesn't actually say what you're claiming it objectively does, is becoming increasingly frustrating. I want to AGF but it is coming across as throwing an acronym out there and hoping it intimidates. Kingsif (talk) 09:18, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete, having producer-centric navboxes where there are multiple producers on a film would lead to an explosion in the number of navboxes. Frietjes (talk) 15:47, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    CRYSTALBALLing isn’t a good reason, nor does this scenario seem likely - just because we don’t delete a few producer-centric navboxes, doesn’t mean every potential producer-centric navbox is going to be created. And keeping this would not set some precedent that could be used as excuse for weaker navboxes, either: when !votes include arguments that also discuss the actual content and utility (not just theory), it can be seen which are of more benefit. Kingsif (talk) 21:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 18:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cadet World Championship medallists

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Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 12:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE, I should have nominated it for this as the content is now on Cadet World Championship with the plan to improve editability and referencing Yachty4000 (talk) 12:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MLS roster header

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The above templates are all unused and created by the same editor. Gonnym (talk) 12:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hydrotechnical structure infobox

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:07, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unused infobox template and we already have Template:Infobox dam. Gonnym (talk) 11:59, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:List of unofficial presidents of the Philippines timeline

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Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 11:56, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MLA table

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Unused politics related table template. Gonnym (talk) 11:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Marhanets

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Unused navigation template with a single link so also shouldn't be added to article. Gonnym (talk) 11:53, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NASCAR Cup Series Labelled Map

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Unused map template. Gonnym (talk) 11:52, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:North Bačka District Labelled Map

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Unused map template. Gonnym (talk) 11:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Owidslider

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Unused and according to the template's doc, can't be used as the gadget does not exist. Move to user's userpage if still a work in progress and they want it. Gonnym (talk) 11:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Provinces of the Philippines image map

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Unused map template. Gonnym (talk) 11:45, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ranks and Insignia of Non NATO Navies/OF/Japan (Coast Guard)

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Unused table template. Japan Coast Guard uses something else. Gonnym (talk) 11:44, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ranks and Insignia of NZCF/CDT/ALL

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Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 11:43, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:West Bačka District Labelled Map

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Unused map template. Gonnym (talk) 11:24, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]


July 12

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Template:Taxid

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Sort of an early precursor to {{Taxonbar}} and basically glues two different specific-source templates (NPIN and USDA Plants) together. I removed the last two uses and replaced them with the NPIN template as the link to USDA Plants was already in the taxonbar. No real rationale to keep this as in practice tying things together via Wikidata ID and the taxonbar is much more scalable. Choess (talk) 23:15, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:OWL standings end

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Unused – Pbrks (t·c) 17:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User:Mathglot/sandbox/Templates/Deletion process cheat sheet/Last Afd

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Moved without redirect to User:Mathglot/sandbox/Templates/Deletion process cheat sheet/Last Afd new with comment "Fix previous failed move attempt to userspace." by Mathglot (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 18:08, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unused user template in template namespace. Delete or move to user's sub-page. Gonnym (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Wikipedia Help Project/class

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Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:420 Open World Championship medallists

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Unused as the table is used directly at 420 World Championships#Open. Gonnym (talk) 14:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BG Voz

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 14:29, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hai! I'm the creator of this particular template and you see, I'm remaking the BG:Voz article and I need those templates for the article. I feel I could probably add it to the article in a week so please don't delete until then. When it comes to the other two templates, those are not mine but I deleted them from the article for a while and it would really suck if they got deleted bc of me so yes, a week-long deadline should do it. Pretty please?
MapperGuy87 (talk) 20:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BG Voz Line 2

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 14:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BG Voz Line 1

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 14:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Parkersburg Subdivision

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pokrov, Ukraine

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Unused navigation template for a single article so shouldn't be used. Gonnym (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Project 1989 invite

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An invite for an non-existing project. Gonnym (talk) 14:23, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oppose it exists. User:Brachy0008/Project 1989 brachy08 (chat here lol) 14:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Selkirk Subdivision

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Supported Apple Pencils on the iPad

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Unused table template. Gonnym (talk) 14:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this is unreferenced because the references to the template has been removed. If there is no sound reason to have done so, it should be referenced again, or worse, copy-and-pasted into a new home. The table is useful and relevant information for the Apple Pencil article. --Nidaana (talk)

Template:Swedish companies disestablished in the year

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Unused category template. Gonnym (talk) 14:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sri Lanka national cricket team tournament History

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Unused and mostly blanked template. Gonnym (talk) 14:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Big Brother

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This is a bit of a complicated situation. I'm here to ask for a little help, not for deletion of the template. Most of the template is fine, and it just needs a couple of edits reverted, which is why I'm not tagging it. I've notified the affected WikiProject of the problem.

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Pinoy Big Brother is finding its way towards deletion. You can read more about the steps to unwind this at the first affected WikiProject's talk page and at a discussion at WikiProject Council.

This week's goals:

  1. I need some editors to formally agree that {{WikiProject Big Brother}} (a group of editors interested in a television show, and not interested in having a task force about Pinoy Big Brother) should not have any links to the unauthorized "task force" about that television show that was silently created as a subpage of Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippines (a group of editors interested in a country in Southeast Asia). This is mostly for the purpose of officially documenting consensus.
  2. I need an editor to revert the unauthorized changes to the banner template.
  3. I need someone to check that the soon-to-be-unused Philippines parameters/categories (e.g., Category:Pinoy Big Brother task force articles) only have 10 articles in them. I don't want to create a bunch of unknown-parameter errors, and if it's really just the 10, then we don't need a bot to remove them.


July 11

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Template:Sinner

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Only one notable album. --woodensuperman 11:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Australian road

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{{Infobox Australian road}} is unnecessary and should de deprecated. We should instead use {{infobox road}} and other related templates. See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 May 8 § Route Infoboxes, where many infoboxes related to roads in the United States have been removed and replaced with {{infobox road}} and {{infobox road small}} templates. 2600:1700:6180:6290:28F7:14C:F72F:9A57 (talk) 10:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Craven Group

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Useless navbox with only red links, no hope of becoming articles. Only used in COI draft Draft:Craven Scaffolding which is bound to be deleted as the topic is a non-notable company. – Fayenatic London 09:38, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Country data Yishuv

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Yishuv was an ethnic community, not a country. This template is only used in a user sandbox. – Fayenatic London 09:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request for clarification: Despite the name, templates whose names follow this convention exist for non-country entities. See the list of templates for administrative regions of France at Template:Country data France#Regions of France, for example. Is there a reason the same convention can't be followed in the same non-literal way for an ethnic community? Largoplazo (talk) 11:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Country data Samaritanism

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Samaritanism is a religion, not a country. This template displays a flag which is stated to be fictional, so I have nominated that for deletion on Commons. The template is only used in a user sandbox. – Fayenatic London 09:10, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lre

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Unused and unless the creator points to any usage, I don't see where this could be used, as non-English languages should be marked with language templates which should handle this. Gonnym (talk) 08:37, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:List of Nogais

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was speedy delete as WP:G7, author requests deletion Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

created a category similar to an already existing one on accident, want it deleted Vofa (talk) 01:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nogai people somehow got clogged up with this template Vofa (talk) 02:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


July 10

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Template:Parishes in Bimenes

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Template should be deleted for the following reasons:

  • Oddly specific (It includes three pages.)
  • And almost unused (4 pages use it.)

Valid according to WP:TFD#REASONS Earth605 (talk) 15:56, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hammadid dynasty

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Unused duplicate of Template:Hammadid dynasty topics. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should be deleted since it's just a redirection and not used. Riad Salih (talk) 13:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:470 Mixed World Championship medallists

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Unused as content is used directly at 470 World Championships. Gonnym (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Almark

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Unused and I don't see where this could be used as when Arabic text is used, it should always be used with one of the language templates, which should be handling anything related. Gonnym (talk) 13:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Ohio State Route 778

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Unused as Ohio State Route 778 was redirected. Gonnym (talk) 13:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Copenhagen Tunnel

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 13:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diósgyőri VTK seasons

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Unused and duplicates Template:Diósgyőri VTK. Gonnym (talk) 13:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gillham-Electric

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Unused citation template. Gonnym (talk) 13:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Zog I of Albania sidebar/styles.css

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Unused as the parent template was converted to use Template:Sidebar person. Gonnym (talk) 13:33, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Team Solution Tech–Vini Fantini seasons

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Unused sport team navigation template for a team that has no season articles. Articles should be created before a navigation template is created. Gonnym (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Today in AD, SH and AH horizontal

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Unused calendar template. Gonnym (talk) 13:30, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Today in BS, AH, and AD

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Unused as replaced by Template:Infobox calendar date today. Gonnym (talk) 13:29, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Today in AD and CopticCalendar

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Unused as replaced by Template:Infobox calendar date today. Gonnym (talk) 13:29, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I made it to use on Coptic calendar and Era of the Martyrs, but I got rid of it when I realised it doesn't work on mobile (unlike what's currently there) 🎸平沢唯を愛しています🐱 (talk) 05:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]


July 9

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Template:Leaders of the largest cities in the world by GDP

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Fatally flawed concept, as shown by years of unresolved issues on the talk page. Problems:

  • City GDP is defined by statistical metropolitan areas, which often don't match the city as a political unit. These people don't necessarily actually lead these economic units. (For example, the 2 million person city of Paris which Anne Hidalgo is mayor of is only a tiny fraction of the 13 million person Paris metropolitan area.)
  • Many major cities are missing, because metropolitan areas made of combined cities are excluded (arbitrarily and inconsistently). For example, the mayor of Dallas is not here, since GDP statistics are only given for the metropolitan area of Dallas-Fort Worth, even though Dallas almost certainly has a much larger GDP than Rio de Janeiro. However, the mayor of New York is here, even though the metropolitan area is New York-Newark-Jersey City. Similarly, it's likely that at least one of the mayors of Osaka and Kyoto should be on the list.
  • It's built on inherently inaccurate data - there's no definitive listing of cities by GDP and sources vary wildly (every source I can find ranks the German cities differently). GDP is hard to calculate even at a national level, and modelling it at the city level takes a lot of estimation and assumptions.
  • It's just bad and incomplete - there are no Australian cities, no Singapore, and Eurostat has a dozen metropolitan areas with larger GDPs than Frankfurt. This is theoretically fixable, but the other issues are not. Smurrayinchester 16:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:59, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite standard

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Effectively unused. Can be replaced with {{cite report}} in the mutilated handful of pages it's present on. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to Template:Cite tech report. Proposed in this discussion six years ago, opposed with good reason at the time, created as a redirect, and never adopted by editors. Replace with Citation Style 1 templates as appropriate. This template page was a redirect for a while, and then was turned into a wrapper with just one parameter set to an inflexible value after this discussion. That change does not appear to encouraged its adoption. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:26, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We should not allow cite standard as an alternative to cite tech report. That sets a bad precedent. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:16, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still believe the template itself is a good idea, because standards are often cited badly. I’m not sure the implementation is the best it can be. I also understand that apron has been very low. Shrug emoji — Christoph Päper 07:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • All this seems to do is inform future editors that the technical report being cited is a standard. Template:Cite ISO standard is a better model to follow for other standards bodies. --Northernhenge (talk) 21:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]


July 8

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Template:Years in Pennsylvania

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Navbox with no transclusions, no main article, and only three blue links in the body. Created in December 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:46, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We could add a the navbox inside articles like 1776 in Pennsylvania and 2023 in Pennsylvania to prevent it from completely unused. 2600:1700:6180:6290:6F05:203E:BE0A:FD76 (talk) 23:06, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, we have many like this one here: Category:Templates by year (Template:Years in Colorado for example). I don't see why we should delete this one specifically. I'd suggest adding the navbox in the years that are blue and if you do really want to delete this, propose a mass deletion of all "years in" templates without many blue links. GalStar (talk) (contribs) 02:10, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now created the main article as well as added a few transclusions. GalStar (talk) (contribs) 02:19, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:12, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Brought into use. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 06:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Template:Samastipur–Khagaria line

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:San Diego Blue Line Platform Layout

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Unused platform layout templates. Gonnym (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as creator. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SacRT Platform Layout Blue Line island

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Unused platform layout templates. Gonnym (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as creator. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Party shading/United (NZ)

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Unused color template. Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Party shading/NZL

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Unused color template. Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MM Line 9

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 15:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Isonokami Faith

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There seems to be no Isonokami Faith The Banner talk 14:58, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 15:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is unknown which kami were worshipped in the early days at Isonokami but you will find plenty of discussion of Isonokami worship in the literature. It is placed in contrast to Yamoto rule, which seems to have increasingly depended on it. Futsunomitama, the personification of a divine sword, is enshrined in the Isonokami. It still counts as Shinto as far as I know (which isn't very far) but it does seem to be a thing of it's own. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]
The Japanese word is shinkō which means faith or belief. If you look around the wiki you will find plenty of entities described as Foo Faith (although probably they'd be better with a small f). I think it's worth taking to some Shinto specialists. WikiProject Shinto is thataway, All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

I do not think this is a valid reason for deletion. For any notional religious XYZ in Japan (which according to my World Atlas of Religion has the highest "Religious adherence" in the world, at around 140%) you could reasonably say "There is no XYZ faith", because it really is not faith in the western Judaeo-Christian tradition, it is just "doing stuff" at various historical sites. So unless (as RF says above) a genuine expert says "This really is not a coherent assemblage of entities", the template should stay. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:21, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]


I do strongly question the existence of this template, or at least the name. As far as I can tell, the Shinto practiced at Isonokami Shrine is Shrine Shinto. Shrine Shinto isn't really divided until further categories because, as Imaginatorium says, it's a collection of customs practiced at the various shrines. Each shrine will do things their way anyway, but it's still one big "faith" because it's not like people only worship or believe in the kami at that one shrine, but if we called each one something different we'd have thousands, close to ten thousand different "religions". People might pray at Isonokami hoping for whatever help those kami specifically provide, then pray somewhere else for the exact same reason. Calling it "Isonokami Faith" to me implies it's something seperate with its own doctrine (there are some Shinto branches and schools with actual doctrines both historically and in modern times) and I don't believe that's necessarily the case here. I also can't find anything that treats the form of Shinto practiced at Isonokami as something seperate from Shinto (and when you say "Shinto" in modern times you generally mean Shrine Shinto).
It's possible that historically there was a type of Shinto worth calling Isonokami Shinto or something, but I haven't found anything that supports that.
So anyway, because I feel the name of "Isonokami Faith" implies something that is not true, I support renaming at the very least. Maybe just to "Isonokami Shrine" or "Shinto at Isonokami Shrine". Erynamrod (talk) 17:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MRT station/Chaloem Ratchamongkhon Line

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Unused line table. If used should be placed directly and not in a template. Gonnym (talk) 15:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:List of philosophers TOC

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Unused ToC template as pages were redirected. Gonnym (talk) 15:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest stable software release/gnuplot

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Unused software release version template. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest stable software release/DigiLocker

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Unused software release version template. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest preview software release/iPadOS

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Unused software release version template. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest preview software release/iOS

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Unused software release version template. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest preview software release/WhatsApp

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Unused software release version template. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest preview software release/LibreOffice

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Unused software release version template. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest preview software release/Jami (software)

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Unused software release version template. Gonnym (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:LG Twins roster

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Unused as replaced (incorrectly) with a navbox with this edit. Gonnym (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kirnitzschtal tramway

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jammu Tawi – Srinagar VB Express Route

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Inter-county hurlers category

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Unused category template. Gonnym (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Inter-county Gaelic footballers category

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Unused category template. Gonnym (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Index of logic articles

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Unused header (?) template. Gonnym (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Chinese/Manchu

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Unused infobox. Gonnym (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox French commune/notes

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Unneeded subpage from 2009. Gonnym (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gråkallen Line

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 15:43, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gridiron alt secondary color raw

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Unused color template. Gonnym (talk) 15:43, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think you need to look at Module:Gridiron color and understand the "raw" parameter, or ask User:Dissident93, before considering this. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:05, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Template:European Parliament standings (9th)

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Unused political party table. Gonnym (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ethiopia squad 2012 African Women's Championship

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Unused navigation template with only red likns. Gonnym (talk) 15:39, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Electorates of the Australian House of Representatives interactive map frame (2022)

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Unused image template. Gonnym (talk) 15:39, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dk-Fælleslisten-light

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Unused color template. Gonnym (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Daily Wire hosts

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Unused as Template:The Daily Wire is used instead. Gonnym (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CSX River Subdivision

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Unused route map. Gonnym (talk) 15:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The West Shore RR main line template seems better, and also includes more info than this one, I see no problem in using only the West Shore one. Best, MTATransitFanChat! 16:34, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bill Gates series/styles.css

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Unused as the template was changed to use Template:Sidebar person. Gonnym (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Barauni–Gorakhpur, Raxaul and Jainagar lines

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Unused route map. Gonnym (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The map is very confusing and can be separated into many parts to represent them with more informations. Abdullah1099 (talk) 09:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Avellino-Rocchetta Sant'Antonio railway line diagram

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Unused route map. Gonnym (talk) 15:34, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/St Georges Terrace

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Unused as removed by User:Elrondil. Gonnym (talk) 15:33, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/S10 road (Oman)

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Unused. Gonnym (talk) 15:33, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Rancho Drive

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Unused. Gonnym (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Pénétrante de Tizi Ouzou (P15)

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Unused as Pénétrante de Tizi Ouzou does not exist. Gonnym (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Lakeland Freeway

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Unused as Lakeland Freeway was turned into a redirect. Gonnym (talk) 15:31, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Graham Farmer Freeway

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Unused as removed by User:Steelkamp. Gonnym (talk) 15:30, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Desert Inn Road

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Unused. Gonnym (talk) 15:30, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. It's used at Desert Inn Road. I created it because no such KML file existed on Wikipedia before I made it. 27 is my favorite number. You can ask me why here. 16:41, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Cleveland Memorial Shoreway

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Unused as Cleveland Memorial Shoreway was turned into a redirect. Gonnym (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/Banna Avenue

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Unused as Banna Avenue was deleted. Gonnym (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/A Line (Valley Metro Rail)

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Unused. Gonnym (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: As the creator for this KML file, I've ran into a weird issue that I haven't had elsewhere. I noticed that Template:Attached KML isn't properly displaying this KML file on the A Line (Valley Metro Rail) article like it normally should be, but instead the KML file for Valley Metro Rail, which is for the entire system and not just for the individual A Line by itself. I don't know what's causing the issue, but I think it'd be preferable to sort it out so it can display on the page correctly. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/6 Hayes/Parnassus

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Unused as User:Transitmatt removed it. Gonnym (talk) 15:27, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/A1144 road

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Unused as articles were converted to redirects. Gonnym (talk) 15:24, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Antonis Samaras sidebar/styles.css

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Unused as the template was changed to use Template:Sidebar person. Gonnym (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AHM

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Unused calendar template. Gonnym (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2025 UCI WorldTeams

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Unused sports table template. Gonnym (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2025 Women's Cricket World Cup Qualifier

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Unused as the table is used directly in 2025 Women's Cricket World Cup Qualifier. Gonnym (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2025 Asia Rugby Championship table

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Unused as the table is used directly in 2025 Asia Rugby Championship. Gonnym (talk) 15:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2025 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Group 3 table

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Unused as the table is used directly in 2025 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship. Gonnym (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024 Major League Soccer season results table

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Unused and empty table which isn't transcluded from the season article. Gonnym (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024 IFL Western Conference standings

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Unused. 2024 Indoor Football League season uses a different table. Gonnym (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2025 MLS Next Pro Northeast Division table

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Unused. Season article does not have it nor have a section for this. Gonnym (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This league has two conferences. Each conference has two divisions. I see no reason that the division tables should not be included in the relevant conference sections. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:44, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Template:2024 MLS Next Pro Northeast Division table

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Unused. Season article does not have it nor have a section for this. Gonnym (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2023 MLS Next Pro Central Division table

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Unused. Season article does not have it nor have a section for this. Gonnym (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2022 MLS Next Pro Central Division table

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Unused. Season article does not have it nor have a section for this. Gonnym (talk) 15:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2021–22 Primera División RFEF Group 1 table

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Unused as tables are located at 2021–22 Primera División RFEF. Gonnym (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2019–20 IV liga Subcarpathia

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Unused and unclear what article this could be added to as there doesn't seem to be a season article. Gonnym (talk) 15:09, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently the league was founded in 2020, if I read aright. There is no data in the template, otherwise I'd suggest putting it in the IV liga Subcarpathia article. Maye it could be copied to the talk page, in case it comes in handy in the future. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Template:2014 Indian Super League points table

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Unused as all templates merged into their articles (2014 Indian Super League, etc.). Gonnym (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:R&F (Hong Kong) squad

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According to R&F (Hong Kong), this football team no longer exists. A current squad template is no longer useful. Editors have progressively blanked this template instead of sending it to TFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Happy Valley AA squad

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According to Happy Valley AA, this football team no longer exists. A current squad template is no longer useful. Editors have progressively blanked this template instead of sending it to TFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:48, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:UNFCCC Party Groupings

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Single use template with poor documentation about what the groupings are The Banner talk 12:24, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: It's not any sort of poor documentation. What the groupings are, is - of course - written on the respective article page. And on every grouping's page. The templates contains links to the respective page: Every country / grouping name in the template is clickable! Here, more precise links than just Country will be introduced over time. Saippuakauppias ⇄ 15:15, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. The Banner talk 21:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To what you disagree, Sir? All that you have asked for is now provided:
  • Used in various articles
  • The explanation is there. If you are not following UNFCCC negotiations, then it will be difficult to understand from looking at the diagram only. I recommend you to check the above mentioned article on UNFCCC parties, as well as the pages of the coallitions (ALBA, LMDC, etc.).
For any further info, please feel free to ask. If you want me to improve something, please provide constructive feedback, that is, not just two words.
  • The diagram is widely used. I update it every few weeks, when changes occur.
  • → Are you against the template, or agianst the diagram itself? If you're against the figure, you can also try to get the SVG removed from Commons, or remove it from the artcles. However, the Template provides the additional value over the figure of being clickable. So what is your problem with this? Do you prefer the figure not to be clickable? Then, this would simply be less userfriendly.
  • Do you want more details written about the negotiations and the reason of the groups in the Doumentation page? This is not common practice. Check other Euler diagrams: e.g. Template:Supranational_African_Bodies, Template:Supranational_European_Bodies. I just used their Template as a template for creating the present one. There seems to be no issues. Saippuakauppias ⇄ 09:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have a problem with quality of the template and the limited number of uses. The Banner talk 11:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Allright. Please answer my questions, because I have a problem with the quality of your messages. – You send no more than 11, 2, 15 words. This is not constructive.
  • --> Specify quality. What do you refer to?
  • --> How many transclusions do you want?
  • --> It's simply an improvement of the figure, because it makes the figure clickable. So What is your problem?
Saippuakauppias ⇄ 14:49, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The template is NOT widely used, just a few times. The template is excessively big. And despite everything: links to disambiguation pages. Somebody else has fixed most of them, but still one is left. The Banner talk 03:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]


July 7

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Template:Uw-gamingX

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User warning templates, to be useful, must inform the recipient of the problematic conduct and guide users to relevant policies and guidelines on the subject. Unfortunately, this warning series, which warns the recipient against "gaming the system", isn't very effective. It is so broad an idea that it cannot provide the recipient any meaningful specifics about what the problematic conduct might be. The guideline it links to offers 19 entirely different examples of what "gaming the system" might be. Nearly all of these examples are insidious behaviors likely to come from experienced editors, for which a user warning template is unlikely to be an effective way to engage the recipient. Cross-references to the guideline in other policies are undeveloped: At the higher levels of the series, it threatens a block, but Wikipedia:Blocking_policy does not mention gaming the system. Also, the template series is listed under Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace#Vandalism, but the gaming the system guideline never describes it as vandalism, and we take pains to distinguish vandalism from disruptive editing (see Wikipedia:WikiProject User warnings/Design guidelines#Multi-level templates for disruptive editing) so that editors know where to find the correct intervention. I think we would be better served by using more specific templates that clearly identify the actual conduct and a more precise reference to a guideline or policy covering it (many of which already exist), using the disruptive editing user warning template series in situations in which the conduct falls within the meaning of that term, or by directly engaging with the user. Bsherr (talk) 23:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A few things I have done to try and address the concerns since reading this:
  • I've edited the {{Uw-gaming1}} template to address the issue of the warning not being specific enough by pointing out some potentially problematic behaviors that could be interpreted as gaming the system, providing links where necessary, and provided a link at the end to WP:GAME for people to read. This is done so as to make sure that the editor is aware of the guidelines surrounding WP:GAMING. This template series was mainly directed at users who are newer or less experienced, for whom these warnings may prove effective. I don't expect it to be used to warn more experienced and respected editors since this template series wasn't really made with them in mind.
  • I've added a disclaimer to all the templates in the series using <noinclude> tags asking people to use a more specific template if they can find one.
  • I have adjusted the wording to levels 3 and higher to specify that gaming the system disrupts Wikipedia, which can be worth a block depending on what exactly was being done. I've edited the templates for levels 3+ to avoid mentioning blocking specifically, and instead they now say sanctions in general (like a t-ban for instance).
  • After posting this I'll go ahead and move the entry at the template index to the disruptive editing category.
This is my first time making a user warning template and I am unsure how best to edit the templates to avoid implying the user could be blocked in situations where they probably won't. Thoughts on how I can improve this further would be appreciated. Gommeh 🎮 00:09, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Battles of the Frankokratia

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Summary: I tried to fix this campaignbox today, but it has so many issues that I think it needs a community review. Deletion is my default option, but if we can agree to a substantial overhaul, the campaignbox might still be kept in an altered form (my suggestion is splitting it up in 3 campaignboxes, but I'm open to other proposals). Although TFD is not cleanup, I noticed that in this and many other related articles and talk pages, there barely is any discussion, and there are lots of undiscussed moves. I don't think me being WP:BOLD would help in this case. So I think WP:CENTRALised discussion is necessary to establish consensus first, and TFD seems a good place to do it with this template.

Rationale:

  • This campaignbox fails WP:TG #3, 5, 8.
  • This campaignbox does not comply with WP:NAVBOX #1, 2, 3, 4.
  • This campaignbox does not comply with WP:NAV-RELATED #1, 2.
  • This campaignbox might meet WP:TFD#REASONS #2 for Deletion because of significant overlap with the "History" section of Template:Frankokratia. (Nevertheless, many of the same issues identified above and below may apply to Template:Frankokratia itself. A follow-up might discuss whether that template can be brought in compliance as well).

Explanation: Byzantine–Frankish conflicts of the Frankokratia very poorly explains what the template's function, usage and scope is, which is not documented anywhere. The article Frankokratia has a very poorly defined scope itself: it can basically refer to any territorial possession of a "Frankish" (Latin/Catholic Christian/Western European) polity on any former territory of the Byzantine Empire from 1204 to 1797. Besides, "Byzantine" can refer to any polity claiming to represent the Byzantine Empire in that same period, such as the Latin Empire (although that is counted as "Frankish" here), Empire of Nicaea, Empire of Thessalonica, Empire of Trebizond, Despotate of Epirus, Despotate of Thessaly, etc. For the Struggle for Constantinople (1204–1261) section (originally "Nicaean-Latin Wars", an WP:OR article title that has been turned into a redirect), it seems that all conflicts between "Byzantine" factions on both sides (and "Frankish" factions on both sides) have been excluded, except perhaps the Battle of Pelagonia, where the "Byzantine" Despotate of Epirus joined forces with several "Latin" states against the "Byzantine" Empire of Nicaea, so that overall, the battle can still be considered a "Byzantine–Frankish conflict". This is really stretching things, and tantamount to WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. Which brings me to the objections of WP:NAVBOX #1, 2, 3, 4, and WP:NAV-RELATED #1, 2:

  • There is no Wikipedia article on the subject of the template, namely Byzantine–Frankish conflicts of the Frankokratia, there is only Frankokratia;
  • Byzantine–Frankish conflicts of the Frankokratia is not a single, coherent subject;
  • this subject is not mentioned in every [linked] article;
  • the linked articles do not all refer to each other, to a reasonable extent, certainly not between the 5 sections of the campaignbox;
  • the articles are not established as related by reliable sources in the actual articles, certainly not between the 5 sections of the campaignbox;
  • Articles included in a navigation template should be more than loosely-related, but may include tangentially-related topics (...); in my opinion, the 5 sections are loosely-related, and especially the 5th section Wars with the Venetians, Catalans, and others is essentially a catch-all for any battles any "Byzantine" state had with any "Frankish" state that cannot be grouped with any of the other 4 sections above it.

Proposal: Therefore, I think the most reasonable alternative to deletion is to split up this campaignbox into 3 separate campaignboxes:

  • Sections 1 and 2 may be split off as a Campaignbox Struggle for Constantinople (1204–1261), with Constantinople (1203) and Constantinople (1204) as a prelude (tangentially-related topics).
  • Section 3 may be split off as a Campaignbox Achaean–Byzantine conflicts (1263–1375) if this does not violate any of the campaignbox guidelines (since it does not have a main article, but it does have two clear belligerents)
  • Section 4 may be split off as a Campaignbox Angevin–Byzantine conflict (1270s–1281) if this does not violate any of the campaignbox guidelines (since it does not have a main article, but it does have two clear belligerents)
  • Section 5 should just be removed, because it is a catch-all that will still violate the campaignbox guidelines on its own, and cannot be merged into the other 3 proposed campaignboxes.

But if we cannot reach agreement on that, or another overhaul that anyone else might propose below, then deletion remains my preferred option. I'm interested in hearing your feedback. Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 14:16, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cplakidas, Commenenian, Srnec, Koopinator, Greco22, and Go-Chlodio: For your information. You seem to be some of the most relevant editors in this topic area, and I think your perspective might be helpful here. Feel free to leave feedback here if you like. Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 14:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Alabama Cooperative Extension System

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I've nominated the main ACES article for deletion for issues of promotion/spam/COI (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alabama Cooperative Extension System), so the associated template would also need to be deleted Shredlordsupreme (talk) 17:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Culture of Hungary

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Covered sufficiently by navbox (and attempts to duplicate content from it), doesn't need a sidebar. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:58, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:SIP Library

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Sidebar templates are a way of connecting closely-related content, not advertising books. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd like to dispute this nomination. Firstly, it’s not advertising. These are three examplars of open children's stories, that were created by Social Publishers. There is no advertising here, the books are free to download and are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution licence. Secondly, Wikipedia is concerned with providing every single human being to freely share in the sum of all knowledge. This project is teaching basic skills so that they can read, and use Wikipedia. Thirdly, if this is seen as advertising of books, then how do you justify the existence of this sidebar? Template:Bible sidebar Derek J Moore (talk) 19:25, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The content isn't necessarily a problem. I just think it would be better contained in the external links section of Book Dash than in a sidebar. Other than Book Dash, this sidebar only appears in African Storybook, and there I find the information to be extraneous. The title of the sidebar is a red link, which is somewhat problematic for readily identifying what the sidebar is about. --Bsherr (talk) 23:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    First, thanks for adding this to a template to a particular category Literature_sidebar templates. That was helpful. If I may summerise. I cannot see consensus. Avertising is not a problem and neither is content. Fair point about the location of the template. I can move it to the bottom of the page. The title of the sidebar is a red link, because other editors deemed that social impact publishing was not notable. The easiest solution then is to remove the link (which I have done). It won't look good for Wikipedia to be deleting free and remixable children's books, especially when the country where these books are produced (South africa) has an extremely poor record of reading. If you are worried about use of the template, that will change, as other language versions see the idea and choose to incorporate it into their pages. But we are very much still at the beginning of a Wikipedia journey. Derek J Moore (talk) 16:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't necessarily find it promotional. I am wondering why this needs to be a template. Why can't this information just be put directly into the external links section of Book Dash? Wikipedias in a given language do not transclude templates from Wikipedias in other languages, so that doesn't justify the template. --Bsherr (talk) 15:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Atarimania

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While I like this sites archival information and very dedicated research, it features emulation of the games it links to. Which would be against WP:ELNEVER and WP:VGs standards on linking to external (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Video_games#External_links). Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you state an example where you see a copyright violation? Matthias M. (talk) 07:03, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've mostly seen this link related to Atari 2600 games. But the link on the Air-Sea Battle page clearly link to the site where you have links to either "Download" a ROM or play the game in-browser. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:19, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be similar to Template:archive.org with

Air-Sea Battle is available for free viewing and download at the Internet Archive

then. I think it is overkill to delete the whole template, but maybe remove the link on that specific article if the game is still copyrighted and there is no permission. Matthias M. (talk) 08:26, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Probably true. Its very hard to decipher what is on archive.org that is legal, and what isn't though. I feel weird even removing a link stating that it offers downloads to copyrighted material as its basically just re-announcing its got copyrighted material. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:42, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hard to balance that out though as Internet Archive is a gigantic page with over a million games 14 million films. This is a significantly smaller site where nearly every game listed has the ability to play in browser or download a emulated file of. Is there a significant level of pages that do not offer them? I've searched around, and only found a few, but mostly that the dumps of games were "missing" implying that they will be added when available. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:05, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Wagner Seahawks women's basketball women's basketball navbox

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Only two other articles. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 12:09, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Eastern Connecticut State University

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Links one other article. Useless for navigation. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 12:05, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Southern Connecticut State University

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Links one other article, useless for navigation. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 12:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:New Haven Chargers football navbox

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Links a stadium and one season, useless for navigation. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 12:01, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Conference of New England men's lacrosse navbox

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Only links one other article so nothing to navigate. WP:NENAN. --woodensuperman 12:00, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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with this link it would encourage other schools to create their own pages, this should make it easier. Sportsstatsguy (talk) 19:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hindustani Classical Music sidebar

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Propose merging Template:Hindustani Classical Music sidebar with Template:Hindustani Classical Music.
These are two sidebars on the same topic. I propose to merge the newer one with longer name into the older one with shorter name. —⁠andrybak (talk) 05:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussions

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July 6

Template:Undated

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Propose merging Template:Undated with Template:Unsigned.
Currently, {{subst:unsigned}} throws an error if given only a date. We can modify this behavior to output an "undated" message if no username is detected in the input. This will allow {{subst:undated}} to take advantage of the expanded functionality of {{subst:unsigned}} Module:Unsigned, including the automatic conversion of dates to the standard talk page format. I think this is my last merger proposal for {{Unsigned}}. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:09, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm starting to think we're trying to make {{unsigned}} a bit too smart. Everything is in Module:Unsigned anyway, there's no particular reason that {{undated}} couldn't use the module by calling an entry point for just the date formatting part. Anomie⚔ 12:27, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be alright with that. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 14:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keeping this template, but switching it to use Module:Unsigned to improve date formatting sounds like a good approach. 👍 --YodinT 16:50, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Yep, this is not helpful. We know how to use these templates, why change the interface? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:35, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

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Very recently created template with the names of prior winners of the Regeneron Science Talent Search, a prize for high school students who do a science project. The prize is notable, but I am very dubious about the merit of this template. My count indicates that it has the names of 99 winners, of which only 21 currently have Wikipedia pages. This suggests that many of the prior winners either did or would fail WP:BLP1E (or WP:BIO1E). To me the fact that most of the names here are redlinked certainly raises the question of whether this template should exist. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest cutting the content to notable Regeneron Science Talent Search Winners containing only those winners with Wikipedia pages as de facto evidence of notability. Johnjbarton (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am starting to work on drafts for those who are notable in my sandboxes. Those who are not notable can be unlinked. Would this work? User01938 (talk) 18:03, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I understand it, the purpose of this kind of template is to facilitate navigation from one notable winner to another one. Non-notable names in the template have no purpose. Readers interested in all of the winners can consult the page Regeneron Science Talent Search. Johnjbarton (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see no indications of any improvements, so I will remain with my nomination to delete. It has been discussed that this award alone does not qualify someone for a page via WP:NPROF. Anyone who is truly notable (and not everyone here is) will qualify for other reasons. Hence there is no real rationale for this template, a list of winners ob the main page is more than enough. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:29, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Other names can be unlinked or removed; work is ongoing. User01938 (talk) 18:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cup of Joe

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Navbox for a band that appears to have articles for just one single and one album. There are not enough articles to justify this navbox yet. No prejudice to recreation when there are more articles about notable singles and albums from this band. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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July 5

Template:Main Page interwikis

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No longer used on the Main Page following an RfC. There are some 500+ transclusions, but all of them result in incorrect WP:INTERLANGUAGE links to the Main Page of various language wikis. Delete as only possible to use incorrectly. (For transparency, I closed the RfC. I still have no views on the merits of the proposal, but since it was successful, I do believe that this is a harmful template.) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:52, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 2

Template:Talk page of disambiguation page

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Propose merging Template:Talk page of disambiguation page with Template:WikiProject Disambiguation.
Both templates serve a similar purpose (namely, to tag talk pages of disambiguation pages), so I see no reason why both templates should exist. Also, both templates already categorize talk pages into Category:WikiProject Disambiguation pages anyway. GTrang (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • The 34-transclusion template really doesn't matter compared to the other one. Its content only has one extra sentence which warns against using barely watched Talk pages. This is why we have WP Disambiguation tagging - so that RMs proposed there automatically appear on article alerts where people are watching. The documentation for the other template says it should never be the only thing on the Talk page of disambiguation page, which means it's mostly useless anyway. The alerting facility currently provided by WP Disambiguation tags needs to be maintained. If someone wants to volunteer the work needed to implement it automatically in the banner shell or wherever, and replace it automatically, that's fine, but it's largely orthogonal to the idea of dealing with the barely used template which triggered this TfD. History seems to indicate this was basically a failed experiment, and it was partially reverted once already. This all strikes me as making of a mountain out of a molehill. --Joy (talk) 13:30, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, that project is a WikiProject, delete {{Talk page of disambiguation page}} instead. useless. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The only reason for this template is to display subdivisions of the Hadean. There are no such commonly recognized subdivisions. The only reference I could find is to a 1989 book that contradicts the modern definition of the Hadean.

Now unused in main space. Delete — hike395 (talk) 12:37, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does "Now unused" mean "I took this WP:NAVBOX out of all the articles right before nominating it for deletion"? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sexagenary cycle

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Navigates only 5 pages and transcluded on only 3. The others are all redirects duplicated by templates like {{Chinese zodiac}} and are functionally duplicate as a result. Izno (talk) 04:02, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove links, and subst in if required. The template is not good for navigation, but it displays the cycle in a compact format. I think this is useful for our readers. Techie3 (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 19

Template:Controversial

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I am really struggling to see how this template is helpful. The instructional material is redundant to {{talk header}}: make constructive changes, discussion is a better idea than the revert button, be neutral, etc. The only additional information contained in the template is "this topic is controversial", which is obvious to any competent editor. Banner blindness means each banner makes it less likely people will read more important banners (such as {{contentious topics/talk notice}}). I think deleting this template is another step (after the deletion of {{calm}}) towards less cluttered talk pages. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, this is a good template that is used on topics that can be considered highly controversial but has not reached the "Contentious topics" level of the Arbitration Committee, like many Philippines-related topics: Talk:West Philippine Sea, Talk:China–Philippines relations, Talk:Kalayaan, Palawan, Talk:Sabina Shoal, Talk:South China Sea Arbitration, Talk:Impeachment of Sara Duterte, Talk:Richard Heydarian, Talk:Bongbong Marcos, and Talk:Rigoberto Tiglao. Such topics have been subjected to multiple disputes but the nature of those disputes aren't yet eligible for ArbCom procedure that may lead to these articles being submitted under WP:Contentious topics. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as talk header clutter. I don't understand why it links to WP:Contentious topics if it doesn't apply to contentious topics and I'm sure that this only leads to editor confusion. Should go the same way as {{calm}}. I think the template's language of don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them is nonsensical: if they're reading it, they're already on the talk page! The template doesn't help editors who have already found the talk page as it only directs how they make their edits, not how they interact with others on the talk page or discuss improvements. This should be done with editnotices instead, which were made to serve that purpose. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 17:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Template was made because only a very small set of editors can create editnotices. Moxy🍁 23:51, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "Template was made to circumvent an existing process that requires elevated privileges" is not exactly a strong argument in favor of keeping the template, sounds more like an argument for speedy deletion. Psychastes (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    circumvent .....nice term....more like in lieu of. Simply a tool used by content editors to denote passed and current disruptions. Moxy🍁 03:15, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    And yet, it links to the contentious topics page, and is designed to look virtually identical to the contentious topics template... Psychastes (talk) 04:46, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Lets give another example India is generally a controversial topic as per this motion. Usage of this template is used on articles editors believe dont warrant the editing restriction as seen at Talk:India but fall within the scope as outline by the motion. We simply cant add editor restrictions and page restrictions on every page related to India.....thus a warning with admins applying editor restrictions and page restrictions if need be. Moxy🍁 07:27, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm very sympathetic to the idea of reducing overhead, but I have two concerns:
    1. I'm not sure it applies here - the CTOP template is used on approximately 16000 pages, while this one is only used on 3500, many of which do not cover contentious topics like India (I came here when I noticed the TFD banner on Time travel, for example). I suppose it *could* be added to many more pages but I think it says something that no one has done so, to the extent that the more onerous admin procedure outnumbers it by more than 4:1.
    2. It seems like there are two separate purposes to this template? One is "Topics that fall under WP:CTOP but which have too much overhead to add the CTOP template" and the other is "Topics that don't fall under WP:CTOP but for which there has been heated discussion in the past."
    Based on both of these concerns, I think that if the template is retained, it ought to more specifically delineate that it is NOT being used as a part of the CTOP process which I've put in an edit request for on the template's talk page pending the outcome of this discussion. Psychastes (talk) 18:13, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    What makes you say this? The template is from 2004, predating your account by five years and editnotices by four. How could you know the reason the template was made and how could it have been made to circumvent a feature that postdates it by four years? Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 14:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure why I got pinged for this.... I assume you're not talking to me... I've been here for over 20 years. Included editing many of the topics that this template was originally made for Wikipedia:List of controversial issues. Simply used by content editors. Moxy🍁 20:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    You wrote because only a very small set of editors can create editnotices, implying causality when that clearly isn't the case. As you note now, it was in fact for the now-defunct list. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 21:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    There was a suggestion to add edit notices instead of this template as you understand that's not possible for most....had nothing to do with the creation never imply that. Wondering if we should just link Wikipedia:Controversial articles as it's clear many aren't aware of its usage or the history behind the template. Moxy🍁 22:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per HouseBlaster. Any article on any topic can be seen as controversial, really, so this template fails to provide meaningful information. Also agree about banner blindness--I didn't even notice that this template was on the J.K. Rowling talk page until now, when it's up for deletion. Some1 (talk) 23:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Some1 how about the likes of Talk:West Philippine Sea and Talk:Sabina Shoal? What template or tag best suits to entries that concern the heightened geopolitical unrest between Manila and Beijing that is a magnet of heated debates and discussions (like the discussion regarding Sabina Shoal)? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:34, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, the last non-bot edit to West Philippine Sea was on May 1 for the article and April 20 for the talk page; and for Sabina Shoal, March 12 for article and March 8 for its talk page. Those don't seem like controversial articles to me; maybe the subject is controversial, but the editing activities on those two articles don't indicate that. Some1 (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Some1 at least the article content dispute concerning Sabina Shoal last year got heated up and led to a 1-week page protection (see this noticeboard thread). Another contentious topic is South China Sea Arbitration, which saw one heated discussion (Talk:South China Sea Arbitration#China's Claims). But as Seav said here, the SCS/WPS-related articles aren't yet approaching the serious level of ArbCom, and the best tag for such topics is {{Controversial}}. If the concern is the existing link to WP:CTOP, then remove any reference to CTOP in the template. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:07, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    By the way, there is also a "{{Controversial-issues}}" template, which also links to WP:CTOP (if the decision results in the deletion of the "Controversial" template, this other template must also be dealt with since it bears the same link). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete - nothing good can possibly come from having a decoy template that looks like the contentious topics template, but which does not follow the same established procedures for application, and rather can just simply be added or removed by the whim of any editor. I'd bet the vast majority of editors who know even about WP:CTOP to begin with probably see this template and assume it's that one. This is just like when they started selling the homeopathic cold "medicines" in the pharmacy next to the real medicine and then acted surprised when people complained that the meds don't work. Psychastes (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, same reason with User:JWilz12345. Many Philippine-related articles that cover controversial topics gets bombarded with edit wars pushing for their own narrative. In addition to the list that that user provided, it also includes basically all Marcos-related articles and Duterte-related articles, as well as Talk:Tagalog language and Talk:Filipino language.
    This template serves as a reminder/warning for editors to be civil and have a neutral point of view, even before it is recognized for WP:CTOP. Perhaps editing parts of its message to link users to WP:CTOP would suffice instead of deleting the template outright.— 🍕 Yivan000 viewtalk 03:07, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I would strongly oppose adding (or retaining) a link to WP:CTOP, which describes a very particular process not applicable to those pages. The little "Editing a contentious topic" blurb is the only relevant advice; the entire rest of the page describes how official CTOPs work. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete a spectacularly useless template, even by the low standards of talk page banners. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as it is often used for those one-off cases where the particular article is controversial but the topic is generally not a contentious one. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:47, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Modify usage or delete. Need to update template wording and documentation. Any utility depends on accurate deployment, clear documentation (why the tag is applied on the talkpage), maintenance (ensuring it’s not left long after a dispute is resolved). The documentation already describes a timestamp parameter, but I don't think many use it. Could make a date a required paramater. Editors should explain why the article is controversial e.g. with diffs to disputes. Detag if issue quiets down. Modify documentation to encourage a note on the talk page when the template is added. e.g. “Please describe the controversy and link to relevant discussion threads on the talkpage when adding this template.” Could request a bot to detect new uses and post a reminder to editors if no Talk page explanation is given? Tom B (talk) 13:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I know that I have seen this template before and it could potentially calm down a otherwise potentially incivil talk page. Or at least that is the hope. Who knows for sure how useful these types of templates really are? I do not believe it causes harm though. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Re "Who knows for sure how useful these types of templates really are?", we do know and have known for decades that too many banners are counterproductive and don't get read. This is the reason {{calm}} was deleted. Unless there's good evidence that these templates are changing behavior, they don't deserve the space they take up. Regardless, the template we're discussing doesn't even address incivility: it just says to use NPOV and add references when editing the article. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 18:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or merge into Template:Talk header – List of secret police organizations is an example of a controversial subject that is not under a specific contentious topic, yet it receives edits that accuse a US law enforcement agency of being a "secret police" with weak or opinionated sources. World War III is another example, which attracts speculative edits (e.g. "World War III already started because country did specific military action"). I would agree however that there is an opportunity to merge the template into the main talk header. --Minoa (talk) 22:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If the articles you cite already get these kinds of edits despite having the template in place, doesn't that imply it doesn't actually achieve its intended purpose? Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 18:40, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I cannot guarantee that every notice will be 100% effective, but I believed that the notice would at least prompt most editors to take extra care on addressing the topic. --Minoa (talk) 18:48, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete What it says is already in {{Talk header}}, so it's just contributing towards banner blindness, plus linking to WP:CTOP is misleading, as this has nothing to do with contentious topics. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    You're the third person to say this ...perhaps I'm not seeing the talk header properly but it doesn't say anything about a contentious / controversial topic does it? Moxy🍁 20:28, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    {{Controversial}} only links to two policies, NPOV (linked twice for some reason) and Verifiability, which are included in {{talk header}}. The template's link to the contentious topics procedure is irrelevant as this isn't {{contentious topics/talk notice}}. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 21:36, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It does as noted above by multiple individuals.... with multiple examples. Moxy🍁 21:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Trailblazer101🔥 (discuss · contribs) 17:14, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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