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Administrators' newsletter – January 2024

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Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

OOPS, anyways here is a barnstar for the edit summary.

The Editor's Barnstar
Thanks for labeling it as good faith, taking the extra time to not make me confused plus giving the reason for the revert! Sadbunny3 (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Sadbunny3 No worries. Happy editing! - ZLEA T\C 22:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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TheWikiWizard - February 2024

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Bismuth from the labs!

Bismuth
some bismuth! Sebbers10 (talk) 20:28, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Sebbers10 Thanks! I've always wanted my own bismuth! - ZLEA T\C 22:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
oh and question, what kind of recent changes patrol set is best to catch vandals Sebbers10 (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Sebbers10 I've found Special:BlankPage/RTRC to be the best place to watch for vandals, and it goes without saying that WP:Twinkle is your best friend. There are other tools that you might find helpful, but I have not used any of them. You might play around with some of them until you find what works for you. - ZLEA T\C 20:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Sebbers10 (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2024

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On 8 February 1993, Iran Air Tours Flight 962, a Tupolev Tu-154, collided in mid-air with an Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft near the Iranian capital of Tehran

On 8 February 1993, Iran Air Tours Flight 962, a Tupolev Tu-154, collided in mid-air with an Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft near the Iranian capital of Tehran 2.191.133.103 (talk) 11:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

خبر مرگت اول برو خوب مطالعه کن تو خود ویکیپدیا سوانح هوایی ایران بعد بیا ادعای دونستن از شیر مرغ تا جون آدمیزاد بکن ۱۹۹۳ یک فروند سوخو-۲۴ نیروی هوایی ایران با توپولف-۱۵۴ هواپیمایی ایران ایرتور برخورد کرد و ۱۳۴ کشته برجا گذاشت. سوخو با برخورد به دم هواپیمای مسافربری با چرخش زیاد حول محور عمودی به حالت سقوط مطلق در می‌آید. دم هواپیمای توپولف کنده شده و عده‌ای با صندلیهایشان به آسمان پرتاب می‌شوند. در این حادثه اشتباه خلبان سوخو دلیل بروز سانحه اعلام شد. در ۳ فروردین ۱۳۹۰ خورشیدی یک جنگنده سوخو-۲۴ در استان فارس سقوط کرد که ۲ خلبانش از هواپیما بیرون پریدن که چتر یکی از آنان باز نشد که منجر به مرگ آن خلبان شد. در در ۲۴ تیر ۱۳۹۳ خورشیدی، ساعت ۹:۲۰ دقیقه صبح در حوالی روستای قشقاوی در کنار دریاچه بختگان در دهستان خیر از توابع شهرستان استهبان، یک فروند سوخو -۲۴ متعلق به نیروی هوایی ایران سقوط کرد. خلبانان این جنگنده پیش از وقوع این سانحه، با موفقیت ایجکت کردند و هر دو نفر در سلامت کامل با چتر نجات فرود آمدند 2.191.133.103 (talk) 11:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

And what would you like me to do with this information? - ZLEA T\C 14:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Will you help in an infobox

@ZLEA, I've added all units that I were to add in Template:Israel–Hamas war infobox, but it seems kinda squished, tried multiple times to fix it, couldn't, will ya please help, anyways thanks for your kind behaviour that you showed by fixing my USERBOX M Waleed (talk) 15:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

all these units were taken from other articles of the battles, I wrote in edit summary, of you ask for the source of these units M Waleed (talk) 15:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
M Waleed Is there a discussion that led to the addition of these units to the infobox? Personally, I think the conflict has grown to the point where it might not be feasible to include a complete list of units in the infobox, and it might be better to move the list to the Israel–Hamas war article itself. That said, you might also consider creating a content fork, perhaps titled List of units involved in the Israel–Hamas war. Whatever you decide, you should probably discuss it first at Talk:Israel–Hamas war. - ZLEA T\C 17:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
I put the units in a collapsible format and I think it should be placed as all of the idf is not involved, M Waleed (talk) 00:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
To answer your question, the infobox otherwise looks fine on my device. May I ask what your screen resolution is? I'll see if I can replicate the problems you are having. - ZLEA T\C 17:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
the problem is that the titles, Israel Hezbollah conflict and red sea crisis, instead of being in the back start from middle M Waleed (talk) 00:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I see it now. It was caused by a misplaced "}}" which ended the "Inavsion of Gaza Strip:" bullet list after the "Red sea crisis:" section. It is fixed now. Let me know if you find any other issues. - ZLEA T\C 01:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks a lot M Waleed (talk) 02:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
@ZLEA, I might sound a bit annoying but can you also fix the units on the side of Hamas, the collapsed list has its title hidden, I Mean it doesn't show up , only [Show] comes but not the title, moreover what I may add is that while you're at it also use the small template for Hamas units as well as units on other fronts. M Waleed (talk) 14:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
M Waleed No problem. It's fixed now, but I did notice a link to the Lone Wolf disambiguation page among the list of armed groups. Is this referring to a group called the "Lone Wolves"? If so, then the link should be changed to reflect that, even if no article currently exists (for example, Lone Wolves (Palestinian group) or similar). However, if it's referring to lone individuals not affiliated with any group, then it probably should not be grouped with actual armed groups. - ZLEA T\C 15:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
It's referring to Non affiliates and there are many articles of such lone wolf attacks I can provide in a second. M Waleed (talk) 15:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
2024 Ra'anana attack 2024 Kiryat Malakhi attack etc are examples of lone wolf attacks in this war M Waleed (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
M Waleed Unaffiliated individuals should probably be listed separately from armed groups. Perhaps they could be listed in their own section like the Palestine Police currently is. - ZLEA T\C 15:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Okay I'll do so M Waleed (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Moreover also convert the size of individual units of Hamas and those of Other theatres to small size M Waleed (talk) 15:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 Done - ZLEA T\C 15:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks M Waleed (talk) 15:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2024

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Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy and Henschel Projekt P.75

Hey, I was just wondering, I found out that the Mini Guppy article has been deleted, and have found your sandbox for it, are you intending to improve it to meet GNG or are using it for other articles A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

A-37Dragonfly I plan on improving it with sources from my university's library. If I can't adequately do that, then I plan on incorporating it into an existing article (in fact, I would not be opposed to merging all Aero Spacelines Guppy aircraft into a single article). I have yet to get to it as the past few weeks have been crazy for me, so if you wish to work on it, feel free to do so. I consider my sandbox open to all who wish to contribute. - ZLEA T\C 00:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, I do not plan on helping right now, but I am happy to know it is being worked on as I really like the Guppy line of planes. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Same here. I remember when I first saw the prototype Super Guppy at the Pima Air & Space Museum when I was 10 years old. That was the first time I had heard of or seen the Guppy line, and I want to spot N941NA the next time it flies to Florida. - ZLEA T\C 00:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm planning to eventually go there one day, but that's gonna be a little difficult as I'm on the other side of the country, nice to see someone else who likes the Guppy line as much as I do A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Not trying to spam your notifications or bug you, but I have this one article I made that I want deleted as I think doesn't meet GNG and doesnt have reliable sources Henschel Projekt P.75. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
I know of quite a few sources that might have some information on the P.75. I'll be sure to check them out when I go for the Mini Guppy sources. - ZLEA T\C 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the help :) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
A-37Dragonfly I was able to find some sources for the Mini Guppy. I did not find any for the Henschel P.75, though I now realize that I might have been looking in the wrong places, so I will not give up hope on that one just yet. - ZLEA T\C 20:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Alright, it's fine if you can't find many sources on the P.75, as there is a massive sea of WW2 German wind-tunnel designs that never flew, theres actually a website that has them all: Luft46.com, (could'nt add link because its pretty old) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Theres also List of German aircraft projects, 1939–1945 A-37Dragonfly (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Luft46.com is known to perpetuate debunked myths about German wunderwaffe. It is on the list of common aviation sources to avoid, as is Military Factory. I'm not saying the P.75 is one of those myths, but Luft46.com should not be used as a source for the article. I'll keep looking for sources, but you might want to WP:PROD the article in the meantime. - ZLEA T\C 23:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Oh, I didnt know Luft46 was, but after I put up the P.75 article, I found out military factory was unreliable, but i didnt know how to PROD it, I still dont know, could you help PROD it? A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
I've PRODED the article. I've also restored Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy. - ZLEA T\C 01:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
I just saw your PROD attempts. You might want to try Twinkle. It greatly simplifies PRODing, reverting vandalism, and many other otherwise tedious tasks. - ZLEA T\C 03:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
I may use twinkle if I consider becoming a real editor, for now I'm fine with small edits. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
A-37Dragonfly It seems an admin dePRODed Henschel Projekt P.75. Maybe we can get it draftified until we can get it reworked. - ZLEA T\C 21:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I was actually about to tell you about that, I've found 1 book that lines up with alot of the article, would you say this is a reliable source for the article? https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aircraft_of_the_Luftwaffe_1935_1945/hdQBTcscxyQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Henschel+Project+P.75&pg=PA241&printsec=frontcover A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
This is the only book i've been able to find, don't think it has much hopes of getting to GNG. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Looks like it might be a good source. I could have sworn that I checked that one, but I might be mistaking it for a similarly-titled book. - ZLEA T\C 21:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Im assuming Tvd.im is also an unreliable source too, right? A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
It appears to be WP:SPS with no evidence that the author is a subject-matter expert, so it's probably unreliable. - ZLEA T\C 21:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Alright, im currently adding the book source wherever possible, for now ive left the old sources in, but if you want me to remove them i can. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I already replaced some of the sources, so you will likely run into an edit conflict. I don't really care what you do with the remaining unreliable sources, you can leave them in for now (you might want to tag them) or replace them with citation needed tags. - ZLEA T\C 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I did run into a edit conflict, but as you basically did what I was doing I just discarded my edits. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I also think we should consider removing "Projekt" from the titles of Henschel Projekt P.75 and Henschel Projekt P.87. I have not seen many reliable sources covering these aircraft, but most reliable sources I've seen covering other Projekts from Henschel and other manufacturers do not include "Projekt" in the designation. Since "P" already stands for Projekt, it's as redundant as "ATM machine". - ZLEA T\C 00:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree, its not needed, ill actually go remove it now A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
I've actually found a lot of issues on the P.87 article, no sources at all, no image (least of the concerns), and the name, I also don't know how to change the article name. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
We should probably find some more sources before we commit to page moves. We would have a stronger argument in favor of the moves if we have sources to back them up. - ZLEA T\C 00:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, i've added the same source as the one I used on the P.75 on the P.87 article, I could only find 1 place to cite though, as the rest has alot of info I can't cite because it isn't in my source. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aircraft_of_the_Luftwaffe_1935_1945/hdQBTcscxyQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Henschel+P.87&pg=PA140&printsec=frontcover A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't have another source, but the source I have for the P.87 actually had more info on it than I thought, maybe even a diagram (I'm really not sure, just there was a diagram on it, but it's probably not worth going after it) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 01:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
I'll also start looking for some sources, But I dont think i will be able to add too many as I don't have a large library near me, so I'll have to stick to online sources or books I can find online. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Turns out my university's library has a source we can use. It also has a few with brief mentions, but not nearly enough information for our purposes. Between this and the online sources, I think we might have enough to replace the existing unreliable sources. - ZLEA T\C 03:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
The brief mentions sources may not be suited for the article, but when we try to move the pages to remove "projekt", I think those would help, they dont use projekt right? A-37Dragonfly (talk) 19:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
They do not. - ZLEA T\C 19:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Also, are the sources with brief mentions reliable? A-37Dragonfly (talk) 19:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
They are. They just don't cover the P.75 in any detail. - ZLEA T\C 19:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
So we could make a argument showing unreliable sources like Luft 46, Military factory, and TVD.IM use projekt, and reliable ones do not. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Unreliable sources are not usually taken into account during page moves. I still have yet to see any reliable source use Projekt, so I don't know that removing it would be likely to be challenged. - ZLEA T\C 19:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Alright, so right now its really just adding sources to the P.87 and P.75 articles A-37Dragonfly (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
I have moved both articles. - ZLEA T\C 20:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Alright, thank you A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
I just have 1 more thing, its about the Mini Guppy article, there were 2 Turbines versions built, and they both flew but the first turbine, N111AS, crashed in testing, N112AS was never pressed into service I believe, but what happened to it after, was it broken up for scrap like the Pregnant Guppy? Did it continue testing and decided not to be put into service? A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
I have yet to find any information on the history of N112AS other than its FAA registration details. Many sources claim that only N111AS was built, but that's clearly not true as it was registered with the FAA. The only other information I have found, as well as what seems to be the only image of the aircraft online, is from this X post, which I have serious doubts about its reliability and accuracy. - ZLEA T\C 22:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, while I was l searching for what happened to N112AS I came across those, Its probably best to assume after the N111AS crash, It was possibly deemed unsafe and scrapped A-37Dragonfly (talk) 23:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
We can't include that in the article without sources, but I do think that's plausible. - ZLEA T\C 01:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
I wasn't talking about adding it to the article really, I guess we wont be able to know for sure A-37Dragonfly (talk) 02:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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The Article Rescue Barnstar
Thanks for your work in saving the Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy from deletion. I believe this PROD was poorly conducted, and even might not have been proposed in good faith. That said, thanks to your action, Wikipedia has ended up with a stronger article because of it! Thank you! Rlandmann (talk) 22:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Rlandmann Thanks. I had actually PRODed the article at the request of the creator as it was entirely sourced from unreliable sources. I had previously checked my university's library for sources but found nothing, though I still plan to double check because I might have missed some sources. - ZLEA T\C 00:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
My bad, I didn't see that you were talking about Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy. - ZLEA T\C 00:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes! I understood what had happened with the P.75. As a general rule, in practice, an individual aircraft type (even an unbuilt one) will almost always pass GNG. It might just be tricky to get to the sources!
As for the Mini Guppy, it was PRODed by an IP, but one with an editing pattern that resembles that of a tendentious editor of the distant past. As for carrying out the PROD, I assume good faith, of course, but it should have been manifestly evident to the admin who actually performed the deletion that this was not a PROD candidate! Anyway, I'm just glad it's back where it should be! --Rlandmann (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Cessna Citation 500

Howdy! Regarding the Cessna name and model number template, the initial Citation model was marketed as the "Citation 500" or "Citation Series 500" before the upgraded Citation I was announced. Many published sources from the early 70s ignore the model number, presumably because there was no other Citation to confuse it with; additionally, many of these aircraft were converted to the full Citation I standard or close to it. However, early 70s Cessna advertising and later sources such as this 1991 Flying article reference the full name. Carguychris (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Carguychris While many Cessna aircraft were marketed with their model numbers, the list of names should be for marketing names other than the model numbers. For example, the Cessna 172 was initially marketed only as the "172" before the deluxe model added the "Skyhawk" name. We don't include "172" in the navbox's list of names even though it was the only designation applied to many early models. The Model 500 is no different, as "500" is the model number while "Citation I" is a name that was applied to certain aircraft of the type. - ZLEA T\C 18:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
I see that you re-added "500" to the list of names. If you feel strongly about including it, then perhaps we should start an RfC about adding all model numbers that were marketed without names to the list of names (which, I'm going to be honest, I would oppose). - ZLEA T\C 18:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Will you help

Ahm, bro do you remember me, you've helped me a couple of times before and I really appreciate it but in my sandbox as I'm translating an article there's been some problem like I don't know how to use sfn properly and before the article goes outta hand I'm seeking your assistance

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:M_Waleed/sandbox

Just please correct the references I'll be highly thankful Waleed (talk) 12:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@ZLEA, what happens is when I click on the references it doesn't lead to anywhere unlike the Russian one from where I'm translating that if you click on refs it takes you to sources section and highlights the ref Waleed (talk) 14:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
M Waleed I noticed that. I'm currently going through the Template:Sfn documentation and looking for possible issues. - ZLEA T\C 14:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
M Waleed This edit fixed the issue for the Сахарова source. There seems to be an issue with how you were filling the "ref" parameter in Template:Cite web. Instead of filling it manually, you should use {{harvid|(last name)|(year)}}. Likewise, the references should follow the {{sfn|(last name)|(year)|p=(optional)}} format, with the last name and year being identical to those used in the harvid template. - ZLEA T\C 14:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Could you please do that for me I'll be grateful Waleed (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 Done - ZLEA T\C 15:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Sorry dude, I bother ya too Much by asking help repeatedly

Well, I live in Pakistan and it just so happens to be that Wikimedia commons is banned here, so I have to upload images directly on english wiki so I've uploaded some files like

The source which I give is Hebrew wiki but on Hebrew wiki it has been placed in multiple articles without any issue but on English wiki I've some difficulty in rationale (although I've provided one as Non free but it isn't the right one as IDF logos are somewhat of public domain/have their own fair use policy allowing all articles about IDF) if you can resolve this one image I'll get to know how to do that to others (more than like 20 images) Waleed (talk) 07:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

This for example is an image by IDF spokesperson unit (same as the source provided by me) and it can be used for all IDF linked pages
Waleed (talk) 07:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
M Waleed I'm not too surprised that you ran into this kind of problem on English Wikipedia. The different Wikipedias each have their own policies and guidelines regarding fair use content, and English Wikipedia happens to be one of the more strict ones (I assume Hebrew Wikipedia is a bit more lenient with fair use rationale). Unfortunately, I do not have much experience in this area, but I think the people at WP:IMAGEHELP might be able to help you.
As for the Commons ban, there may be ways around that. First, is it illegal to bypass the ban? Second, is it legal to use a VPN in Pakistan? If the answer to both questions is no, then you might consider using a VPN to access Commons and any other inaccessible Wikimedia projects. Most open proxy IPs are blocked on sight, however, so you would likely need an IP block exemption to use a VPN (see c:Commons:IP block exemption). This is how many Chinese Wikipedia editors are able to contribute, so it may work for you as well. - ZLEA T\C 08:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
But one thing surprises me here is that the image in my reply although CC 3.0 is able to be put on other pages without any problem so how's that and secondly VPN although legal in Pakistan is temporarily being shut down (Along with Social media) for the upcoming Ashura due to security concerns Waleed (talk) 09:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
@ZLEA, I've put the request on WP:IMAGEHELP and c:Commons:IP block exemption isn't working as commons ain't available here Waleed (talk) 16:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. You should be able to access the page with a VPN as soon as it's available to you, but until then, here is the English Wikipedia equivalent. - ZLEA T\C 16:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Toyota Camry V6 Petition

@ZLEA, Andrew Huynh (Myself) placed the petition on there for reasons, It's on Change.org. & you think it's spam, huh? Well, Go ahead then. You know that petitions aren't spam. That petition is for the Toyota Camry. & by the way A petition on Change.org began in November 2023 by Andrew Huynh, requested fans of the car to petition Toyota to bring the V6 back for model year 2026. By July 2024 it had received 252 signatures.[1]


thumb|right|alt=The Petition on Change.org had 252 Signatures as of July 2024, requesting Toyota to put the V6 Engine into the Camry 9th Generation.|The Petition on Change.org had 252 Signatures as of July 2024, requesting Toyota to put the V6 Engine into the Camry 9th Generation.

There's your proof. It's on Change.org. But you must go to Change.org & search up what's on the Image I sent you It's on top of the Image. It says: "Put a V6 Engine in the Toyota Camry 9th Generation - Toyota." That's the Keywords on Change.org. 174.77.220.178 (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Promoting your petition on Wikipedia is both WP:COI and WP:SPAM. I'll wish you luck in your attempts outside Wikipedia, but I'll stick with driving a Subaru. - ZLEA T\C 21:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

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For your info

I've already reported to AIV. They're of no use to Wikipedia. Knitsey (talk) 22:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Knitsey Thanks. I was just about to do the same. - ZLEA T\C 22:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Flying cars and Whitehead

Hi,

First, thank you for engaging in the discussion. Would you be willing to comment on my latest post (diff), as we are at something of an impasse and AndyTheGrump is not accepting myself plus DonFB as a majority consensus. A decider - either way - would help put this thing to bed. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Steelpillow I highly doubt that Andy would accept my take on this. It might be time for WP:3O from someone uninvolved in this discussion, or perhaps even WikiProject Aviation. - ZLEA T\C 15:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Andy is not going to accept anything except multiple editors reverting him until WP:EDITWAR threatens. That was how it was settled last time, and that is the only way to do so this time. I am hopeful that you, DonFB and I now have enough common ground to repeat history. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
And look where that got us now. I don't necessarily care whether the Whitehead No. 21 is included on the list at this time, but this cycle should not be continued. We have to find a way to settle it once and for all. I still think we should seek WP:3O or maybe hold a formal RfC. Whatever consensus forms from it, I will adhere to it. If Andy does not, then I suspect the matter will sort itself out quickly. - ZLEA T\C 17:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
It was settled, he has resurrected it. We are now at the point where three of us form a clear consensus. Once we stop answering him back and get on with it, he can only make a fuss at his peril. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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CS1 errors

Just a heads up, your recent aircraft-related edits (example) have been mass-adding CS1 errors (specifically Category:CS1 errors: unsupported parameter‎) to pages, because the |aircraft type= parameter is somehow getting added to the citation templates instead of the infobox. Seems to be some sort of JWB fail. :Jay8g [VTE] 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Jay8g Thanks for letting me know. I think I reverted all the problematic JWB edits, but feel free to revert any I might have missed. It seems I failed to consider that some of the old infobox parameter names are commonly used by other templates. As a workaround, I can instead add the old parameter names to the new infobox to avoid messing with common parameter names within articles. I'll work on updating the template and JWB preset tomorrow. - ZLEA T\C 08:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 221, September 2024

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Mil ko-10

you are wrong, according to the register, mi-10 has not been flying since 2009 JustasIn (talk) 17:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

JustasIn We have a source confirming that the Mi-10K was still flying as late as 2014. I think you might be mistaking the original Mi-10 variant for the type as a whole. - ZLEA T\C 17:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
all aviation lovers know that not a single mi-10(k) is flying, you are just spreading bad information JustasIn (talk) 06:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
I am an aviation lover, so evidently not all of us know this. - ZLEA T\C 15:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Maybe you're not a true aviation lover. Sadly, I'm apparently not one either. Carguychris (talk) 14:35, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
After reading the source a bit closer, I do see that it says "The last helicopter has mothballed in 2009." However, this is referring to the Mi-10 variant, not the Mi-10 type (which includes the Mi-10K). - ZLEA T\C 17:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I have the entire registry of mi10k, not one of them has taken to the air after 2009 JustasIn (talk) 06:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
JustasIn Where can I find this registry? If it meets the WP:RS criteria, then we can update the article. Otherwise, we will continue to use what actual reliable sources say. - ZLEA T\C 15:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nomination of Lincoln cent mintage figures for deletion

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Longterm solution to sock

We're both aware of the IP sock/meatpuppet problem at List of equipment of the Kosovo Security Force. I'm inclined towards requesting a one or two year semi-protection at RPP but wanted to run it by you first. My only concern is that it serves as something of a DUCK filter, inclining me towards leaving it open to simplify SPIs. If you have any thoughts, let me know. Thanks for covering that page and others! ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Pbritti RPP sounds like the way to go. I have lost faith in SPI's ability to deal with IPs, so I'm open to whatever solution will actually help fix the problem. - ZLEA T\C 19:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
My estimation is that we need at least four more CU and a couple SPI clerks on top of that. Will kick it over to RPP upon next disruption; feel welcome to beat me to the punch. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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A huge thankyou

Thanks for your support on the Carvair article. I was going to leave it there, but then you came back with WP:AIRMOS which I had not seen before. That has given me much to think about, including the possibility I need to revisit about 200 previous edits and bring them up to a higher standard. So half of me wants to curse you too!

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Template:McDonnell Douglas aircraft

Why did you put the 188 and 210 in different categories in the newly reorganized template and omit the 188E? All are based on the Bréguet 941, but the 188E and 210 were substantially redesigned, and none of them were actually built. Carguychris (talk) 22:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Carguychris From what I understand, the baseline 188 was not intended to be an airliner, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. The omission of the 188E from the airliners section was simply an oversight. Although the 210 was not built, I included it in the section as most of the other unbuilt McDonnell and MD aircraft were included in their respective sections as well. - ZLEA T\C 22:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
OK, checked the Francillon book, and it actually doesn't say what use the 188 was being proposed for. It's more specific about the 188E and 210, mentioning that they were designed as airliners and were promoted more heavily, which makes sense given that the 188/941S was relatively small. I'm OK leaving the 188 where it is, but I split out the 210 in the template so as not to suggest that it was a minor variant of the 188E or a rename; specs indicate it would have been a much larger aircraft with little in common other than layout. Carguychris (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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E-130

Thanks for adding the non-sequential section on the E-designations navbox. I really wasn't sure what to do with it, hence my edit summary. I swear, the Air Force Department must be hiring straight out of kindergarten. I didn't think it could get worse after the OA-1K. Makes me afraid for what's next. BilCat (talk) 03:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's no longer just the Air Force. The E-130 is a Navy designation. - ZLEA T\C 16:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
The Air Force Dept approves the designations. BilCat (talk) 05:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
True, but the Navy's new designations had been more or less sequential until now. - ZLEA T\C 18:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 222, October 2024

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Hello, I'm 72.81.136.3. I noticed you reverted my edit because I didn't have a reliable source, so I was wondering if this site was reliable http://www.gonavy.jp/CV-CV09f.html. It covers Navy squadron deployments, aircraft carriers and carrier air wing deployments. So, if this is reliable can my edit be reverted back? Thank you. 72.81.136.3 (talk) 23:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

This looks like a self-published source. While this does not automatically make a source unreliable, I see no indication that the creator of this website is a subject-matter expert in this field, so I'm going to say it's probably unreliable. - ZLEA T\C 00:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Would this site be reliable? https://www.seaforces.org/usnair/CVW/ATG-201.htm 72.81.136.3 (talk) 00:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Once again, this site appears to be self-published by someone without any indication of being a subject-matter expert. You might want to try Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk. Perhaps someone there has access to a newspaper from the time or some other reliable source that contains the information you're looking for. - ZLEA T\C 03:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Would this classify as a self published source? http://www.anft.net/vf-11/history.html If it isn't could you help find one? 72.81.136.3 (talk) 03:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, that would be self-published as well. I'm afraid I do not have the time to hunt down sources for this, but there are several options you can do. First, you can ask the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Research desk if anyone there knows of sources that might have the information. Otherwise, you can also ask the creators of these websites where they got their information. Although none of them cite their sources, they might be able to point you in the right direction anyway. - ZLEA T\C 03:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Reverted change

I made an update to the P-51 survivors page, adding an estimated number of airworthy aircraft. I did this as I wanted other users to be able to see this information without having to physically count every one (the Spitfire has this, for example.) I used the article itself as a source, and I counted 171 airworthy P-51s. 155.186.59.95 (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

There are numerous reasons as to why we cannot just use the article as a source. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and the list may be incomplete, outdated, or otherwise inaccurate. Counting the number of list entries, especially if the completeness or accuracy cannot be guaranteed, is also original research. We need sources which explicitly state the number of surviving aircraft if we are to include the figure in the article. Also, thanks for pointing out the issue on the Spitfire article, the content has been tagged as needing a citation and will likely be removed if no source is found. - ZLEA T\C 07:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Given your fixation to the SCMP article, you should realize that there's no FC-31 based aircraft that ever has side weapon bay in its design. (Quoting the article : “J-31B seen in the video was also the first variant to feature weapon bays on the side")

So there's 2 scenario: One, a reality where J-31B truly exists simply based on the 3D model of a video from CCTV program; a variant of the FC-31 that has never been seen outside of the said 3D model and yet has already been officially adopted by the PLA given the J- suffix, which magically skips the J-31 and J-31A in its naming convention, and also amazingly has side weapons bay, running contrary to the recently revealed J-35A.

Or two, a reality of which the J-31B is just a small mistake at the hands of a video editor within CCTV and the aircraft doesn't exist, given how 3D model might just seem to be a placeholder to talk about the aircraft that hasn't been revealed at the time, and by now has been succinctly disproven by the announcement and actual appearance of the J-35A in real life.

This just seems like a pretty simple decision on Occam's Razor, and I suggest you revert all your edits which is based on that SCMP article. Lgnxz (talk) 04:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Lgnxz This just seems like a pretty simple decision on Occam's Razor. No, it's WP:OR, plain and simple. You still have not provided a reliable source that challenges the status of the designation, and therefore you have no grounds to remove the information. If you have sources which directly dismiss the validity of the J-31 designation, feel free to provide them. Until then, any further attempts to remove it will be considered disruptive. - ZLEA T\C 05:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Well it's simple, the 'J-31' aircraft, especially the mythical J-31B with side weapons bay, has never been seen nor confirmed by anyone other than that single 3D model. Also how's the recent confirmation that the aircraft is named and shown in the airshow to be called as J-35(A) not a ground of dismissal of the J-31B? Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the people like you that keeps insisting that the J-31B still exists as a separate aircraft, instead of just unofficial name from years ago for the J-35 of today? Lgnxz (talk) 06:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Also how's the recent confirmation that the aircraft is named and shown in the airshow to be called as J-35(A) not a ground of dismissal of the J-31B? Because that would be affirming a disjunct. The apparent absence of the J-31 and J-31A designations are also not enough to discredit the existence of the J-31B, and the burden of proof has been met by the video released by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. No more WP:OR. Unless and until you provide a reliable source discrediting it, I'll consider this matter closed. - ZLEA T\C 06:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Video from SAC isn't available in the article. There's no actual quote from the people speaking in the supposed video, and all the analysis done in the SCMP article relies purely on the screenshot alone.
Besides that, I asked you many times already whether you understand about the J- suffix. SAC, CCTV, or any other government institution does not have the authority to use or determine the use of the suffix, that alone is the responsibility of the PLA. Therefore, how are you so sure that it's not a mere mistake by the SAC, a False advertising so to speak?
Chinese military also isn't the kind of institution that do a retraction/clarification on direct official statement from the past, let alone mere speculation from third parties to fill the information blackbox. Goodluck chasing those source that can satisfy yourself, who am I to tell you otherwise anyway right. Lgnxz (talk) 09:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
This matter is closed until you can provide reliable sources discrediting the video. - ZLEA T\C 14:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Regarding this edit: I tried to check the serialization list but it says I have to log in. Did you use the correct URL? If the list cannot be viewed without logging in, suggest you change the citation accordingly.

Also, is the document still titled "1945 thru 2013" although it's been updated thru 2023?

Lastly, unless there's some specific reason you included it, I suggest deleting the Airlife's General Aviation citation from the infobox, as the book is no less than 29 years out of date! It's presumably still valid for the 55 and 56 since they were dropped well before 1995, but it's no longer valid for the 58 nor the overall production total. Carguychris (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Carguychris The Textron site requires a free registration and 2FA, which is slightly inconvenient but there is currently no alternative way to acquire the up-to-date serialization list. As for the Airlife's General Aviation citation, I used it because it includes prototypes and military production which are usually left out of the official Textron list. Also, "1945 thru 2013" was a mistake and has now been fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. - ZLEA T\C 22:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
You're welcome, and it sounds like everything is good. I suspected as much regarding the Textron site login, but I know that some sites offer permalinks that aren't access-limited, and which can be easy to forget if I'm routinely logged in. As an aside, I still have it on my "To Do" list to try to find another source for the obscure claim that a version of the Twin Bonanza was designated as the T-42 by the Navy and then cancelled. I'll use this as an excuse to check out a local university's aviation library that I've never visited. Carguychris (talk) 03:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I double checked the Textron site, and from what I can see there is no permalink for the Beechcraft serialization list. They don't even appear to archive previous versions of the document, which is a shame. - ZLEA T\C 03:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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US Currency Denominations removal

On the US Currency Wikipedia page, the side bar has plenty of denominations that were not meant for circulation, but do exist. You removed my page update where I included denominations like the $4, $25, $50, $100. Any reason for that? Milodevine (talk) 00:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Milodevine I removed them for the very reason I mentioned. All of the other coins mentioned in the infobox were at one time made for circulation (even the one, believe it or not), while the denominations you added were not. The $4, $50, and $100 denominations were once considered for circulation, but were canceled long before such plans came to fruition. As far as I'm aware, the $25 denomination was never intended for circulation, with it only appearing on bullion coins. - ZLEA T\C 01:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Nowhere in the infobox does it say anything about meant for circulation though? It just says denominations as the category Milodevine (talk) 01:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
I mean look at the $100,000 lol Milodevine (talk) 01:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
The $100,000 bill was indeed circulated, just not by the general public. The denominations you added were canceled before they reached circulation or were only released for non-circulation purposes like bullion. The infobox may not use the word "circulation", but it only has parameters for "Freq. used" and "Rarely used" denominations. The infobox does not have a parameter for "Never used" denominations, but if you believe there should be one, feel free to propose it at Template talk:Infobox currency. - ZLEA T\C 02:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
If its legal tender I guarantee at least 1 person has spent it, therefore classifying it as a rarely used denomination. Milodevine (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
If you can back up your guarantees with reliable sources, then by all means do so. Exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing, and the idea that someone successfully used a non-circulating denomination at face value in a transaction, either intentionally or accidentally, is incredibly unlikely. - ZLEA T\C 02:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
What evidence do you have for the exceptional claim that out of the 100,000,000+ coins not meant for circulation have never ever (even 1 time accidentally) been spent at face value? Milodevine (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
WP:COMMONSENSE. The accidental use of a non-circulating denomination would require an unfathomable level of stupidity, and the intentional use would almost certainly constitute some sort of money laundering or fraud as the coins themselves are worth hundreds or thousands of times more than their face value. - ZLEA T\C 03:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
You widely underestimate the ignorance of some people Milodevine (talk) 04:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Maybe so, but any accidental usage of such a coin would almost certainly mean that it was not used for the correct face value, so to say that it has truly been circulated is a very big stretch. With that said, there is next to no logical or legal scenario in which such a denomination could be considered circulated. - ZLEA T\C 09:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
I'll add that even if such coins have been used in money laundering, you'd have a hard time finding anyone who agrees that they can be counted as circulating coins if the only evidence for circulation is for fraudulent purposes. - ZLEA T\C 03:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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After writing that loooong post on my Talk page, it looks like we independently reached the same conclusion (I missed TG-1, total production 7,004). It's a satisfying feeling. Carguychris (talk) 19:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Zlea, I hope you're having a good holiday season. I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Clovermoss Thanks for the offer! I don't have too much going on right now, so I'd be happy to give an interview. - ZLEA T\C 01:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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Hi ZLEA, I'm afraid your latest messages in the signpost op-ed discussion are damaging your own position / going a bit too far into "feeding the trolls" territory. And "totally understandable" was clearly sarcastic. You've made your point and everyone reading the discussion should be aware of it by now. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I see that now. I'm notoriously bad at identifying written sarcasm (that's why I use a sarcasm tag), and the fact that there are those on Wikipedia who I believe would actually defend Vigilent's actions as an emotional response does not help. - ZLEA T\C 03:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Saab JAS-39 Gripen Citation template breakage

When you updated the aforementioned article templates you changed all Citation types into aircraft_type. Please check before committing wide changes. 200.189.29.248 (talk) 21:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it. I think that was from one of my earlier waves with WP:JWB, when I did not yet know what issues to look out for. Let me know if you see any other issues, I'm trying to find the best way to continue the transition to the new infobox. - ZLEA T\C 21:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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