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Resolving a title that is in conflict with an existing (and redirected title)

I am having trouble understanding how to resolve a title conflict for a draft that has not yet been accepted.

I have a page named "Johnson_Elementary_School" at Draft talk:Johnson Elementary School. A page with the same name exists, with a redirect to another city in another state.

It feels like changing the title is the correct next move, but I am unsure and could use advice. I am unable to change the title of my article -- at least the option isn't presented to me.

I have reviewed the helpful articles about disambiguation and redirect pages, but I don't know how to resolve the problem if someone else already made a redirect page. Additionally, I have posted for help in the "Talk" section, but I am not sure if that is seen by reviewers.

What is the appropriate next step?

Thanks.

Cydonia90 (talk) 16:51, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. You have submitted the draft for review(you linked to its talk page above, and not the draft itself, but that's okay); the reviewer will place it at the proper title if it is accepted. You don't need to do anything. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Cydonia90, elementary schools are eligible for Wikipedia articles only if they are of great historical or architectural significance. Your draft shows no evidence of that. Please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Schools. Cullen328 (talk) 18:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Understood. This is helpful. Thank you. Cydonia90 (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Moved to Draft:Johnson Elementary School (Natick, Massachusetts). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Route Between Porto Alegre and Lisbon

The route between Porto Alegre and Lisbon, the distance is 8774 km, the route is operated by TAP Air Portugal using the Airbus A330-900neo Guib25 (talk) 17:40, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, do you have a question? 331dot (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

This Route Was Suspended Due to Flooding in May 2024 in Rio Grande do Sul, This Route Was Resumed On April 1, 2025 Guib25 (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, what's your question? 331dot (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

331dot, I think they are misunderstanding how the Teahouse works and trying to write article material here. Since other article creation pages (e.g. the AFC submission template) refer users to the Teahouse, they may be confused. —Sparkle and Fade (talk • contributions) 23:12, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 10:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Boboiboy Movie 3

 Courtesy link: List of animated feature films of 2026

Hello, I’m Khadija ,and I want to add something to animated cgi feature films of 2026, and I want to add a movie that will arrive in 2026 soon called Boboiboy Movie 3. Could someone help me how to make a box adding that category, because I need help doing so. Sorry for this trouble, because I’m just a beginner. thanks. Khadija Loves Monsta (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Khadija Loves Monsta, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's great that you want to contribute to Wikipedia, but that choice may be problematic. All material in a Wikipedia article should be verifiable from a reliable published source; and WP:CRYSTALBALL tells us that for things that are in the future, there is a higher standard for inclusion. Where did you get the information about this film? Was it a reliable independent source that discusses the film in depth, or a passing mention in a gossip column, or something in between?

Personally, I think that a good many of the entries in that list should not, at the moment, be there, as the sources they cite are not sufficient to establish that there could be a standalone article about the film at present. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

I’ve known this film was going to come out since 2024, because I’m a fan of the Show Boboiboy Galaxy. This show was created by the animation studio settled in Malaysia called Monsta Studios, known for their CGI animation in Malaysia. They released the Show Boboiboy, following Boboiboy: The Movie, released in 2016,which was their first Boboiboy movie. Second, they released the still ongoing show Boboiboy Galaxy season 1, which following that show released Boboiboy Movie 2 in 2019, then 5 years after that they released Boboiboy Galaxy season 2, which is going on until their final part of the series, Boboiboy Galaxy Baraju will release in June 2025. After Boboiboy season 2 is over, they planned to release Boboiboy Movie 3 in 2026, even though it was supposed to be released in 2021, but due to delays, it was pushed to 2026. I’ve been a fan of Boboiboy since I was very young, so I know my stuff, thank you very much. I grew up with this series basically. And if you want to know more or if you are interested in this series, then you should research more about Monsta Studios and their original 2011 series, Boboiboy. Thanks! 😊 Khadija Loves Monsta (talk) 21:47, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

@Khadija Loves Monsta Reading WP:NFILM to check that it currently passes the criteria set out is important. There is no point in attempting to create an article if it fails the criteria. Best to wait until it does, assuming it does not yet do so 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 21:58, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

How to seek Visual and Source editor experts

Is there a way to quickly find Wiki editors experienced in using one or the other editor and willing to help with occasional questions beyond the basics?

I was originally going to ask how I could find someone who's an expert in the Visual editor, as I'd really like advice about some reference work in that editor. Then it occurred to me that there might be other Teahouse frequenters wondering how to get special help in using the Source editor — plus others who like me also prefer the Visual editor — and so I'm asking on behalf of both groups. Augnablik (talk) 07:39, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Augnablik, I suggest that you ask your questions here in the Teahouse. An answer may be inexpert or plain wrong; but if so then somebody better informed is likely to correct it. -- Hoary (talk) 12:57, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Most experienced editors use the source editor and may assume others do so always state clearly if a post is about VisualEditor. Somebody who knows it well enough will probably come. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:58, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

All right, but reluctantly, @Hoary and @PrimeHunter — let me begin with what should be a simple question for seasoned editors who use the VE:

I know there’s a template that creates the equivalent of footnotes for articles. I’ve used it frequently, though I’m always surprised that it puts authors’ surnames before their first names, like in a traditional bibliography. But is there also a template in VE to create a traditional bibliography? I haven’t yet found one. Augnablik (talk) 20:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik, VE is kind of annoying for this. You can stick a bunch of footnotes at the bottom of the article, then switch to source mode and remove the ref tags. Or you can use "insert template" and search for the one you want - they all start with "cite", eg Template:Cite book. But then you have to input each field manually. I switch back and forth between the two editors a lot for this reason. -- asilvering (talk) 07:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, @Asilvering … I was beginning to think there really weren’t any Wiki editors who use VE for citation work! The situation you describe does sound annoying, as you put it. I would think that because there’s a way to do the equivalent of footnotes in VE, there’d also be a way to do the equivalent of a bibliography. I wonder if that’s being worked on and we just don’t know about it. Augnablik (talk) 04:08, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

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@Asilvering, I tried what you suggested, but I found that I couldn't do what I had in mind — which was to keep the footnotes in place but also have a section below it for a bibliography. When I tried to copy the footnotes and create a new section where I could paste them and then (using the Source editor) remove all the ref tags, I found that whatever I did in the copy/pasted references would affect the original footnotes themselves. Disappointing. Augnablik (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

You've done it out of order - create the footnotes that become the bibliography first, then switch to SE and remove the ref tags. You can then switch back to VE and copy-paste the bibliography entries into your actual in-text footnotes (use the "manual" tab when adding the footnotes in VE), or just generate new footnotes. Like I said, it's a pain... but I haven't found anything better, myself. This is why so many people use sfn. -- asilvering (talk) 02:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

But I did create the footnotes first. Or were you saying that was the exact opposite of what you were suggesting?

Augnablik (talk) 03:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik, I figured this would be easier to demonstrate than to try explaining again, so have a look at the page history of User:Asilvering/footnotes. -- asilvering (talk) 04:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering, much appreciate your help ... I'll try out what you suggested at your Talk page, and we can take up the thread there. Augnablik (talk) 07:32, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Proper Capitalization For Articles for deletion?

I was reading through WP:Perennial_proposals and fixed the acronym for Articles for deletion (AFD) to its "proper" form, AfD. I assumed this was correct since it's used that way on the AfD page itself, but then I realized that the full name for AfD, Articles for deletion, is capitalized in a way that implies the acronym Afd. I was wondering if it was a stylistic choice for the acronym to be spelled AfD? Or is it unintentional? Thx56 | Talk to me! 18:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

@Thx56 In acronyms F for "for" is often lower case, though this is somewhat inconsistent in Wikipedia:Wikipedia abbreviations. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Thx56, as for the capital D, this has been the accepted convention for many years. I have been partipating in AfD debates for 15 years and the acronym has always been AfD. Cullen328 (talk) 18:57, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

@Thx56: You also changed WP:AFD to WP:AfD [1] but acronyms with WP: are nearly always written upper case. Indeed, WP:AFD itself writes it uppercase in the shortcut box at the top right even though the page mostly says AfD when it's without WP:. You even changed it in a non-displayed id= but that generates an anchor which is linked from other pages where you broke the link. It also broke section links from other pages when you changed it in a section heading. I will revert your edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is important but WP:AfD with the lowercase w could be confused with Alternative for Germany's acronym AfD. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:50, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Advice on applying WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA

The Mastotermes page describes a termite genus with only one extant species but several extinct species described by the fossil record. The single extant species has its own page here Mastotermes_darwiniensis. There is extensive redundancy across these two pages, both of which also include significant errors (incorrect information, outdated research, etc.)

This termite species is notable because it is the earliest diverging extant termite species and thus is important for understanding termite evolution.

While fixing the issues with these pages I discovered WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA which establishes that in the case of monotypic taxa, such as a genus with only one species, where the species does not have a common name, then the binomial name - i.e. Mastotermes_darwiniensis should redirect to the monotypic taxa, which in this case is Mastotermes.

Question #1: does WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA apply to a genus with only one EXTANT (i.e. still living) species, but with multiple extinct species in the fossil record?

If it does, then Mastotermes_darwiniensis should be redirected to Mastotermes.

However, I suspect that WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA does not apply in this case. See the multiple pages for Orycteropus and Aardvark which is exactly analogous.

Question #2: Assuming that WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA does not apply in this case, due to the presence of multiple extinct species in the genus, I think there is still an issue. The issue is specifically with Mastotermes, which has significant redundancy in information with Mastotermes_darwiniensis. My understanding is that if WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA does NOT apply then Mastotermes should just be a stub with a simple lead pointing to Mastotermes_darwiniensis followed by a list of extinct species. This is how the Orycteropus page is structured.

Can you confirm that this is correct? And if so, how do I make this change? Can I make it myself or do I need to first open a conversation on the Mastotermes talk page? NicheSports (talk) 19:52, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

A genus with one extant and several extinct species can't be unusual – maybe you could ask for opinions at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Animals? nbsp; Maproom (talk) 07:40, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Will do, thanks NicheSports (talk) 02:21, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Revert request

I see that here, unknown IP address delete without explanation, and a bunch of part is removed,so please revert it sorry for trouble 😵‍💫 , but I do not know how to revert disruptive edits Mr.work-shy (talk) 10:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I've reverted the deletion. I can guess why the item was deleted; but the issue needs to be discussed. Maproom (talk) 11:02, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I think that, there is a ahmadiyya mosque and some people hate them,

Thnx you senior Mr.work-shy (talk) 11:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Mr.work-shy. Your remark about ahmadiyya mosques is effectively a personal attack on the editor who deleted the material, as it implies that they did so out of personal prejudice: please do not do this.

As Maproom says, there is a very obvious reason in Wikipedia's policies why the material may have been removed: that it was unreferenced. ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Shared IP

Hello... i created account on 7 April 2025 but I'm facing the IP address block issue. Currently which I'm using the IP address is blocked and my account is not blocked. I am using Mobile Sim Card internet or mobile internet and the IP address will be shared IP. Can anyone help that is it the IP address Block will affect my account or not ? Also currently im not facing any issue regarding block and I'm open to editing. Mlkfrz4455 (talk) 11:36, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

@Mlkfrz4455, some IP blocks can affect editors when they're logged in, and others can't. If you can edit anywhere other than your talk page, you're not blocked. If you try to edit while logged in and receive a block notice, it will tell you what to do to deal with the block. -- asilvering (talk) 07:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok thanks Mlkfrz4455 (talk) 07:03, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for Feedback on Draft:Ethis Before Submission

Hi everyone, I’ve been working on a Wikipedia draft titled Draft:Ethis and would greatly appreciate some guidance before submitting it for review.

This is my first time contributing a company draft, and I want to make sure it meets Wikipedia’s notability, neutrality, and formatting standards. I’ve included reliable sources, but I’m not sure if the references are strong enough or if any part of the content needs improvement.

Could someone from the Teahouse kindly take a look and let me know if there’s anything I should revise or improve before moving forward?

Thank you in advance for your time and support! Ayeshanissa (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best way to get feedback is to submit the draft for review. It duplicates effort to ask for a pre-review review. That said, large passages of the draft are unsourced.

You declared a conflict of interest on the draft itself; I'd suggest doing so on your user page as well. What is the general nature of your COI? 331dot (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Ayeshanissa. As 331dot pointed out, paragraph after paragraph after paragraph of your draft are unreferenced, which violates Verifiability, a core content policy. You wrote Ethis aims to democratize alternative investments by offering accessible debt-based and capital market products to drive financial inclusion and sustainability in line with its objective of creating better finance to uplift humanity. Who says so? This is overtly promotional content that may have a place on the company's website or social media, but not in a neutrally written encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Removed promotional wording from Lead. David notMD (talk) 10:15, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Auto-play on video (gif) clips

Some video clips within articles automatically and continually play on a loop while the article is open. This is very distracting and disruptive to some of us neuro-diverse individuals, but I can't find a way to stop their playing. Is there a trick? Why do some do this and others do not? (The one I just came across is a gif.) Ghost writer's cat (talk) 19:12, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Could you link to an example of a GIF that autoplays and a GIF that does not? jlwoodwa (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa Here's one that loops. I don't have a ready example of one that doesn't. Maybe all gifs loop automatically and the other clips I've seen have been a different format. Really, I'm just looking for a way to keep any moving imagery from moving, whatever format it's in. Ghost writer's cat (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. If I'm interpreting MOS:ANIMATION correctly, infinitely-looping GIFs like that one should be converted to video files (which don't autoplay), so that article is currently in violation of Wikipedia's accessibility guidelines. The best solution would be converting every such file, but in the meantime there should be a user preference, gadget, or script that stops them from autoplaying/looping. I'll try to find/create one. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa Thank you so much for your help! I probably won't be visiting that particular page again so no rush on this. Having now read MOS:ANIMATION, I agree it's in violation. It's a relief to know that there should be some sort of control in place. (As I read that policy, the gif shouldn't play longer than 5 seconds no matter what, either through cycle repetitions or through its single-cycle duration. If a cycle is longer than 5 seconds, it has to be converted to video so controls will be in place. This particular gif has about a 3-second cycle, so it should be stopping after 5 seconds, i.e. fewer than two repetitions.) Ghost writer's cat (talk) 05:56, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Image rights BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36704050

Note that the third image down is marked PA (an image rights management company), ofc that would not be fair to upload to the commons, but there are other images in the obituary that are not marked in anyway.

"Kaufman (3rd right) appearing on Not so Much a Programme, More a Way of Life" the second image down, would images such as this be fair to be uploaded as CC or not thanks for the clarity

I did have a look https://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/faqs.shtml

But I am not 100% sure LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

LeChatiliers Pupper, I don't know what either "fair to upload to [Commons]" or "fair to be uploaded as CC" means. Looking at the BBC page about Kaufman, I see no suggestion that any of its images are anything other than conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved"). Even if I did see any such suggestion, that wouldn't suffice: one would need an explicit statement to that effect (and beyond). So none of them could be uploaded to Commons. -- Hoary (talk) 21:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC) Typos fixed -- Hoary (talk) 00:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

No copyright information is provided on that page for the image captioned "Kaufman (3rd right) appearing on Not so Much a Programme, More a Way of Life", LeChatiliers Pupper. Therefore it must be presumed to be conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved"). Somebody -- most likely the photographer or their estate -- holds the copyright. You aren't, and I'm not, the copyright holder; and therefore neither of us has the right to affix any Creative Commons (or other) copyleft claim to it, or to declare that it's in the public domain. It must not be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. As for a claim of "fair use", such a claim must be for a specified purpose. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. -- Hoary (talk) 00:49, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Why my article is not going live?

User:Khushhe/sandbox. Khushhe (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Because it hasn't been accepted as an article. It won't be accepted until it's submitted -- but if you were to submit it now, it would fail. Consider this example: Houssed.com plans to continue its expansion. The platform’s expansion strategy includes establishing a strong presence in Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities, where real estate transactions are growing rapidly. Houssed’s ultimate goal is to become one of the leading real estate platforms in India, serving both buyers and developers through a seamless, tech-powered interface. This is the kind of waffle that the company is free to use on its own website but has no place in an encyclopedia. And it makes one wonder: How are you, Khushhe, related to Houssed? -- Hoary (talk) 21:34, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I've been a customer of Houssed and the platform seems valuable which can help buyers. So, I created the article to make the users aware of it.

What should I do to publish it? Khushhe (talk) 06:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Note that the draft is now at Draft:Houssed. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Also asked and answered on 13 April (see below). David notMD (talk) 10:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Number of GA Nominations

Hi,

You know how on GA Nominations you can see the number of successfully promoted articles and the number of reviews each nominator has completed? Do you know where I can find the number of GA reviews and article promotions a user has done if they aren't currently nominating an article on GA Nominations?

Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 22:21, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

@Surfinsi, see [2]. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:53, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Potentially AI Images?

Do the images in the articles National Party (Haiti) and Liberal Party (Haiti) appear to be AI-generated? I am unsure and would appreciate any clarification. 🍫 TheBrowniess (talk) (contribs) 🍫 04:09, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Looks pretty obviously so. I see no evidence of these being used historically, and the thing that is real, Haiti's coat of arms, is absolute mangled as an element in these quick mockups. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 06:50, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Luckily for us, they've also clearly used the wrong license, so we can simply delete them on Commons. -- asilvering (talk) 06:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what it says about me, but I'm mildly disappointed that they're not even convincing AI images. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 07:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

yeaah loooks pretty not real to me man probably ai generated 😦 GrapedOrange (talk) 07:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@TheBrowniess, I removed both images. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you all for responding! 🍫 TheBrowniess (talk) (contribs) 🍫 05:44, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Good point. ~ [[User:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|Music]] ^{[[User talk:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|''what music?'']]} ~ (talk) 06:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Help me in making my article live

Hello! I’ve written an article about Houssed.com in my sandbox (User:Khushhe/sandbox), but I’m unable to move it to the mainspace due to an edit filter. Could someone please help me review it and move it live if appropriate? Khushhe (talk) 06:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

As Theroadislong has noted, this is just advertising. It's blatantly promotional, and the only attempts to source anything are to press releases and to the company's website. Do you have a connection with this company? If you do, it must be disclosed if you are going to make any edits related to this company. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

No, I've just been a customer to it. Khushhe (talk) 06:51, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I have to admit to being skeptical, given how this reads like an advertising pamphlet and you also seem to have very specific information about this company and its corporate executives that is not part of even the press release/site information that you linked. Not to mention that you've been spamming links to this site in other articles, such as [3] and [4]. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 07:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I've went ahead and removed six external links to this company's site. Except for your first two edits, nearly all your links are related to promotion of Houssed. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 07:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Not appropriate, Khushhe. Your draft appears to cite a total of three sources. Actually one of these just reproduces another, so in reality just two sources. One is the company itself, and the other is self-congratulatory PR junk. No article can be constructed from these sources. -- Hoary (talk) 07:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Khushhe Now at Draft:Houssed. I agree that in its current content, if submitted, it will be either Rejected or Speedy deleted. See WP:NCORP for the types of references needed for articles about companies. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Why is autoconfirmed user asked to not to post on semi-protected page

I am talking with this autoconfirmed editor who was asked User talk:Amir_Segev_Sarusi#Please_don't_post_to_Yair_Netanyahu not to post on Yair Netanyahu. I don't understand this. The article Yair Netanyahu is only semi-protected. Editor seems to me willing to learn. Is there some additional rule I don't know about for pages that are related to Israel or Palestine about who can edit? Lova Falk (talk) 08:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

See Talk:Yair Netanyahu - for some reason the article was not locked. I'll fix that. Did you look at the talk page first? Doug Weller talk 09:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Doug Weller talk thank you! Yes, I even wrote on the Talk page, but I checked the article page (actually, several times) to see what kind of protection it had. The idea to double-check this with the templates on the talk page simply didn't occur to me. Lova Falk (talk) 09:41, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

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Changing a nomination message on user talk pages

Hey, Teahouse. I need your help on something I did.

The notice originally said - "If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry (as in the targeted title section - Section title non-existant | the category's entry) on the categories for discussion page. But I changed it to the correct section name without proper authority instead of leaving it alone (from intended section title to correct section title by edit - from non-existant title to correct section | this category's entry). Is it wrong for me to do that? If it is, then I know I shouldn't done it. Let me know. DBrown SPS (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

You're in the clear. It's quite helpful to do this. -- asilvering (talk) 11:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

That's all I needed to know. Thanks. DBrown SPS (talk) 11:41, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

How to stop an article from being submitted

Hello. Today I just visited Draft:Plainrock124, and I realized the article got submitted for creation again. I think the editor behind the article already talked about this, but how can I prevent the article from being submitted, If the submission gets declined? Sparkbean (talk) 11:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@Sparkbean, there's no way to do this that I'm aware of. But if a particular draft is frequently targetted by inappropriate edits, it might be a candidate for page protection, or if it's the same editor doing this repeatedly over other editors' objections, a block might be in order. -- asilvering (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I’m really hoping that there’s no highly inappropriate content happening in the draft article. Sparkbean (talk) 11:35, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I undid the AfC submission that had been made by an editor who had not had any previous interaction with the draft (or any other edits). David notMD (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! I should have undid it on the day I submitted the article and the creator got upset. Sparkbean (talk) 14:53, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

How to take a redirect for RFD

Hi! I just want some help. I eventually want to start a Redirect for Discussion (RFD) but I don't know how to. Do I put it on the list when editing today's RFD'S? How do a take an article to Redirects for Discussion? Servite et contribuere (talk) 11:50, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I suggest using Twinkle, which does this whole process for you. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Jlwoodwa How do I use Twinkle? Any other options asides that? Servite et contribuere (talk) 05:17, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Go to Special:Preferences § mw-prefsection-gadgets and enable Twinkle. Then go to the redirect. You'll see an XfD button (possibly inside a TW dropdown). Click it and fill in your reasoning (why you're nominating the redirect). Then press submit.

The alternative is to list the redirect manually, following the instructions at WP:RFDHOWTO. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Jlwoodwa Basically I could just copy and paste an existing RFD but make some edits to discuss the redirect I want to discuss rather than the one I pasted. Right? Servite et contribuere (talk) 05:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

That sounds like a bad idea. What if you missed something that needed to be changed? Please, just use Twinkle. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:52, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Jlwoodwa I can understand your concerns. I actually copy, paste and edit for pretty much all of my RM'S. Also, I have very fast visual processing. Anyways, if I didn't miss anything and changed everything needed, would it work? Servite et contribuere (talk) 05:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, if done correctly that would work, but the wikitext generated by {{subst:rfd2}} contains the redirect's title twelve different times, one of which is URL-encoded (so find-and-replace wouldn't be enough). I really think it would be easier to use Twinkle or the template. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:03, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Archiving References

What is happening with the "Analyze a page" program for archiving references? It has a huge backlog and I have been unsuccessful in getting it to work twice. At a time when web pages at universities are being removed, I think it is important to archive these references. TwoScars (talk) 13:17, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @TwoScars, Keep in mind that the tool won’t archive all references for a particular article on Wikipedia, If the Archive tool isn’t working very fine and you wish to archive a particular citation, consider using alternative methods, you can try (https://archive.ph/) then add the archive link and access date to the existing reference. Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 23:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Ministry of Agriculture (North Korea)

Hello, everyone. May be delete this draft? Thanks СтасС (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@СтасС Just nominated it for author requested deletion. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Admins-enwiki, thank you.--СтасС (talk) 14:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Changing Header to Match Correct Accent Usage

Hi, this artist Gisela Colon spells her name with an accent on her website. I changed it throughout the article to adhere to her spelling, but cannot update the title name to have the accent. How do I do that?

Thanks! Empress-of-angels (talk) 14:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@Empress-of-angels Changing titles like that is done by moving the page to the new title. See WP:Moving a page. You should be able to do that yourself but come back here if you have any problems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

... incidentally, her Wikidata page is already correct. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:49, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@Empress-of-angels, I have moved the article to Gisela Colón History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:45, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Hiram R. Revels

Would someone please fix footnote 6 in Hiram R. Revels? I've tried without success. Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're asking about the bullet point that's causing the information to jump to a different line, that seems to be coming from {{CongBio}}, which is template-protected. Maybe just copy the information generated from the template then paste over the actual template being used? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that I did it right. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:49, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Name

Hello, so I was trying to change my name to WikipediaWizard, but it got rejected even though there is a user named WikipediaWizardsucks, so what do I do? Vestrix (talk) 21:53, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Pick something else to change it to? 331dot (talk) 21:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah but why is it getting rejected? Vestrix (talk) 22:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Try WikipediaWizard with a different vulgarity attached to it? Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

There is an user "WikipediaWizardSUCKS" indeed, who got blocked in 2006. Since then limitations have probably been set in place that blocks any username containing "Wikipedia" to avoid confusing users they are speaking with someone with elevated permissions etc. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 07:29, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thank you Vestrix (talk) 11:58, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Seemingly vandalism-only account, how to proceed?

A couple weeks back, I saw an edit that updated peak chart positions for songs. However, the claimed positions did not match the source. For example: on the song "Edamame", the previous revision said peak in Canada was 13, and edit claims it went up to 6. However, https://www.billboard.com/artist/bbno/chart-history/can/ says it went to 13. Most of the user's other contributions are similar incorrect chart adjustments. The user has already received three warnings on their talk page for incorrect chart adjustments and one for something else. I made a request for administrator intervention which resulted in a 72-hour block, however the behavior promptly continued after the block expired.

How do I proceed from here? Do I just submit another request for admin intervention? Do more warnings need to be issued before that's possible? Could/should all edits made by this user be reverted? Yhvr (talk) 23:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Yhvr. If this user has vandalized, been blocked, and continued vandalizing from that point, continue reverting them and report them again. Thank you. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 02:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Will do, thank you! Yhvr (talk) 02:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

I still don’t understand why people decide to vandalize information on the internet that’s what fake news is for am I right? Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Suggestion: time duration in days

Suggestion: can someone program the regular bot that does birthdays so that, where it says a person is (or was) so many years old, it also says how many days that is? Peter Jedicke (talk) 01:11, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

That's not a bot, but rather the {{birth date and age}} template. I don't think the number of days would be useful to most readers. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

{{Birth date and age in years and days}} -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 10:47, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Due to caching and other technical details, it's quite possible that it would not always be up-to-date when a reader sees it. I'm with Jlwoodwa, that it's too small a detail. DMacks (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

How would I be able to redirect to a page in-article

I notice sometimes pages with titles that are often synonyms link to each other like "for more uses of (x), see (y)" or "for the (subject)(x), see (y)".

I want to know how to link the page "Gigil" to "Cute Aggression" and Secondarily if that would make sense to do, because the topics aren't necessarily relevant but "Gigil" does refer to Cute Aggression, another thing is I'm unsure if this conversation ask is suited for the Teahouse but I'm unsure where else I'd open it. JaztyMania (talk) 15:30, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi JaztyMania, welcome to the Teahouse. It's called hatnotes. {{For}} can be used if there is only one other meaning in Wikipedia but a search also found brief mentions of several works. I have created Gigil (disambiguation) and added {{Other uses}} to the top of Gigil. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Regraded

How do I get an article that is say a stub-class regraded and rereviewed? Vestrix (talk) 17:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Which article are you talking about? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 17:30, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

2003 Gibraltar general election Vestrix (talk) 17:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

The article is now long enough to not be considered a stub, and as such I've removed the stub marker accordingly. Have a nice day, User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 17:36, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Vestrix, if you see an article rated as a stub that is clearly no longer a stub, you are welcome to change the rating to start. I've done that many times. The only ratings that require a formal process are Good article and Featured article. Cullen328 (talk) 17:52, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Help with coordinates

I've been trying to add coordinates to the article Battle of Albulena, but it didn't work. I read the template documentation, and decided that CoordDM would be better for this. I tried, and it didn't work, so I removed it from the mainspace article and fiddled with it in my userpage. I have no idea what the error messages are talking about or what I'm doing wrong, but something doesn't work. Could someone please have a look at my recent coords-related contributions on 3 April and see what on earth I'm doing wrong? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 17:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

@Chorchapu: I guess you mean your edits of 4 April. I don't see that you used {{CoordDM}} in the article, but you seem to have figured out that your first edit was missing the latitude and longitude directions (N and E). Your second and third edits fixed the problem (though the {{coord}} template was lacking type and region parameters), and the coordinates were displaying correctly, so I don't see that you're doing anything wrong. I've readded the coordinates, and the article looks OK to me. If you want only degrees and minutes for the coordinates, just delete the seconds "|07" and "|05" in the template. Deor (talk) 23:29, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's on 3 April (I didn't make any edits on the 4th), and I did use CoordDM on my user page such as this diff, which didn't work. I have, however, noticed that the coordinates on the actual article did work (?) and so I guess that's fixed? Thing is, when I made those edits it didn't work so I don't know what happened. Thanks for re-adding the coords. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:58, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

@Chorchapu, the edit Deor linked to was made at 2025-04-04T01:22:03. If you're 15 degrees or more West of Greenwich (which I guess you are), that edit was on the 3rd for you. ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay then, although the time shown on my edits that I see isn't accurate to my timezone either, it's in UTC at 20:22 on 3 April. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 17:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Requesting review/possible reclassification of article?

Hello! I am contributing to the editing of a Wikipedia article as part of a class project, and I selected a page from the Women Scientists Wikiproject to improve. I have been updating the page for data scientist and political activist Megan Squire, which is classed as "start" quality. Is there a process by which the page can be reevaluated, reclassed if appropriate, and any feedback can be offered? Megedits (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Up to the B-class anybody can reclassify any article. Ruslik_Zero 20:04, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for that info. I have reclassed the article as B based on my understanding of the criteria. Happy to discuss with any editors who think a different classification is appropriate. Megedits (talk) 20:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Is there a page to cite to generally uninformed people about Wikipedia's backend?

Like an essay explaining namespaces, what constitutes a reliable source, that we generally follow WP:TRUTH, policies, etc. There's a lot of people out-of-wiki I see that generally don't know what's going on here, and it'd be nice to link to one essay instead of a bunch of essays, policies, and guidelines that nobody will read. KeyGremlin (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

One could look up Wikipedia in an encyclopedia, KeyGremlin, and thereby arrive at Notability in the English Wikipedia, Wikipedia community, Reliability of Wikipedia, and more. I suspect that any "essay" that not only explained "notability", described who contributes to en:Wikipedia, evaluated the reliability of what results, and also explained such matters as namespaces, protection levels and so on would be an "essay" in the sense of 'attempt', or similar to An Essay Concerning Humane Understanding (originally published in four volumes). But one day perhaps we'll see Wikipedia added to "List of Very Short Introductions books". -- Hoary (talk) 02:44, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

@KeyGremlin Your idea is interesting.

If I understood rightly , the idea is to create a short text linking to a few of "Policies and guidelines" and a few "essays" ?

Am I right ?

There are already a directory about "essays". This directory is only about the "Wikipedia essays" and not the "users essays".

There are already a "List of policies and guidelines" and an item "List of policies". Anatole-berthe (talk) 07:02, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Google search Full Metal Dojo

Hi, I have created Full Metal Dojo on feb 15 this year, and I tried to googling the promotion today and it didn't show up in search results. Does someone know how long it usually takes for an article to get indexed by google? Cheers Lekkha Moun (talk) 20:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Lekkha Moun. A new article is indexed for search engines after 90 days at maximum. It will be indexed sooner if the article is reviewed by the new pages patrol or created by a highly experienced account with the autopatrolled user right. Please read Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing for complete details. Cullen328 (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Lekkha Moun (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Content cited to a dead link

Is it acceptable to remove content which is cited to a dead link? Or is that better to remove the cited content in those cases? For example, at this page, there is this line, "The foundation provided the staff support and funding behind the Talk Israel mobile app, which launched in December 2015 with the goal to 'bring the pro-Israel community together.'"

That is cited to a dead link. Should it just be deleted or what is the best practice in this situation? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

The WP:DEADREF guideline instructs not to delete the link, but instead suggests several alternatives. DMacks (talk) 01:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I think step 6 might be the move here. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I think [5] is the step 3 solution, based on some educated guessing about step 2. DMacks (talk) 03:09, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Some articles have move-protected template and some don't

Why is this the case? The article Sicily has move protection template on it while Gaza war has no template. Why is this the case? DotesConks (talk) 01:55, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

The Gaza war article is move-protected for one reason and extended-confirmed protected for another. There can only be one icon, so it's the general protection one, which is more relevant to more editors, than the separate move-protection. DMacks (talk) 03:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Can I...

Can I invite new users to the teahouse. ~ [[User:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|Music]] ^{[[User talk:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|''what music?'']]} ~ (talk) 06:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, ComeAndJoinTheMusic, anybody is welcome to do so, so of course you are. But perhaps you'd care to fix your signature first? (In its current, faulty state, it's not attractive; and also it might slightly confuse the people you're trying to encourage. If you're not in the mood for diagnosing what's wrong, I suggest reverting to the default signature: you can try again to improve on that later, when you're in the mood to do so.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

@ComeAndJoinTheMusic: Select "Treat the above as wiki markup" at Special:Preferences##mw-htmlform-signature. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for Feedback on Draft: France Life Imaging

Hello everyone,

I have been working on a translation of a french article in my draft called "France Life Imaging" that have been rejected due to "promotional content". I have made many edits to remove promotional language, inappropriate external links and to add a text written for a neutral point of view.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback, edits, or advice from more experienced Wikipedia users before submitting it for review.

Thank you in advance for your time and support ! Vivienne24 (talk) 07:20, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi there. I’ve not looked at it in enough detail to be able to confidently accept it or decline it, but I would say that in some areas, the English is not great. The person who came along added commentary, which I removed but I would recommend improving the English in the article as it is not great. Is it machine translated? ScrabbleTiles (talk) 08:53, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Vivienne24, the prose is ponderous, like corporate image PR material, designed to lull rather than inform the reader. Sample: The implementation of national infrastructures in 2010-2011 was the result of a twofold observation, researchers needed to use high-tech platforms ( medical imaging, biological imaging, -omics, etc.) and the cost and complexity of using the most innovative equipment was such that no research unit could have its own equipment. Guess: The new national infrastructure of 2010‐2011 was implemented because researchers needed to use equipment (medical and biological imaging, etc) so expensive that no research unit could have its own.? -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

It appears the article is just a copy and paste from a machine translator, as I put the French Wikipedia article into a translator and got exactly the same output. ScrabbleTiles (talk) 09:08, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Vivienne24, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The draft very obviously says what the company wants people to know, (wherever the text came from): that is what makes it promotional.

Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what the company wants people to know. An article should be a neutral summary of what people who have no connection with the company have chosen to publish about it in reliable sources, and very little else. ColinFine (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Draft:James Ashcroft

Hello This draft article I wrote is going through the AfC process, but I'd rather put it straight into mainspace (which I've done with articles before). I'm not sure how to do this now it's in AfC. Also, the name is a redirect, so that would have to be fixed (there's a note on it about this). Can someone help with this. Many thanks. Blackballnz (talk) 09:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Blackballnz, and welcome to the Teahouse.

You can withdraw it from AFC simply by editing it to remove the AFC header (and comments).

In order to move it over a redirect, you will need to make a request at WP:RM. ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @ColinFine- so I would withdraw it from AFC & put into mainspace first? And then make the request at WP:RM? James Ashcroft currently redirects to Jimmy Ashcroft (a footballer). Blackballnz (talk) 07:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

No, you don't need to move it to mainspace first, as far as I know, @Blackballnz - you can request a technical move from Draft space to mainspace. ColinFine (talk) 09:12, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Improving article?

so over the past few months I've been doing this article Oslo Mosquito Raid (1944)

And I don't really know how to improve/fix the issues currently plaguing it HCPM (talk) 10:48, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Well, for one thing, there's a paragraph starting "The first wave commenced an attack run". Where does this material come from? -- Hoary (talk) 11:46, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

person notability

i would like to translate this article to english: fi:Alma Tuuva

but i'm scared that the article would be deleted due to the person not being notable enough. this person is a helsinki city council member and a social media persona with 35k followers. are these enough to merit an article in the eng wikipedia Warpfrz (talk) 10:52, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

No they aren't. What in-depth coverage of him has there been in reliable sources, independent of him and of each other? -- Hoary (talk) 11:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

please do not assume genders. she has been covered on yle.fi, hs.fi and is.fi Warpfrz (talk) 13:26, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

A fair comment. I don't know how or why I assumed "he"; a stupid mistake. -- Hoary (talk) 21:20, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Warpfrz. If the sources in the Finnish article meet the criteria in 42, then they probably establish that she is notable by English Wikipedia's standard, and you can translate the article. (It would still be worth looking for English sources, as they are preferred if they are equally good as sources; but if these don't exist, the Finnish sources may be used).

If the Finnish sources are not adequate to establish notability, then attempting to translate the article would result in an English draft that was written backwards. In that case, it would be better to look for better sources - in English or Finnish - before trying to write a draft from them. If you cannot find suitable sources, you'll know not to spend any time on this. ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

FWIW – and keeping my views on this person's ideologies etc. strictly to myself! – I do think the sources in the fi.wiki article are likely enough to establish notability here. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Need your help

Hello everyone,

I’d really appreciate any helpful input regarding a biography currently under deletion discussion on Simple English Wikipedia.

The article is about a dermatologist and public health educator whose work has been featured in Khaleej Times, Financial Express, and Times of India. It focuses on his efforts in digital health education.

If anyone has time to take a look and share their thoughts, I’d be truly grateful.

Article: simple:Yousef Abo Zarad

Deletion discussion: simple:Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2025/Yousef Abo Zarad

Thank you so much for your time! Mvfra (talk) 12:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I note that, as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yousef Abo Zarad, an article on this person was deleted from the English Wikipedia. - Arjayay (talk) 12:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

@Mvfra "Wikipedia in English" and "Wikipedia in Simple English" are distinct projects and each of these are independent of each others.

Therefore , those who doesn't contribute to "Wikipedia in Simple English" can't help.

In my point of view , this matter have to be discussed on "Wikipedia in Simple English". Anatole-berthe (talk) 07:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Accidental "hide" of contents

I accidentally clicked "hide", or was seeing what would happen. Now I want to "unhide" the table of contents on AfD main page and others, but I do not see that option anywhere. Iljhgtn (talk) 15:07, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I think "Move to sidebar" is what I needed to click to undo it... Confusing that they do not just call it "Unhide"... Bad wording. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

New view?

Did the WMF or people who control the top of how everything looks related to skins just change something today? Or maybe I am just going crazy, but some things look different on my "home page",. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure, however you can change how things look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 17:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn If so, there ought to be comments at the mediawiki page but I don't see any. You could ask on that talk page, although this whole area looks fairly inactive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

How are you able to locate that sort of thing? I can click the link you provided, but I mean how did you find the link that you provided to me? Iljhgtn (talk) 17:59, 15 April 2025 (UTC)a

@Iljhgtn: The feature is Special:Homepage. I would enter mw: in our search box to go to mw: (www.mediawiki.org) which is the wiki about the MediaWiki software. There I would try a search on homepage. The linked page is the first result. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

"mw" with a ":" takes you directly to MediaWiki you say? Learned something new today. Iljhgtn (talk) 23:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

See more at Help:Interwiki linking#Prefix codes for linking to Wikimedia sister projects. mw is a shortcut for the long and clumsy mediawikiwiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

mediawikiwiki is long and clumsy alright. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn To answer your "how": I'm a mentor to new editors, so I knew the homepage is part of the "Growth Team features". So I entered WP:GTF into the search box, which took me to a page from which there is a link to the mediawiki page. I entered the latter link as a URL rather than a wikilink as I found that easier in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Battles of the River Stour

Page about the two battles of the River Stour. How can I improve this page so it is accepted please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Battles_of_the_River_Stour Chiefsub68 (talk) 20:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Chiefsub68, and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what reliable secondary sources say about a subject, and very little else.

You have only one citqation, with a very short summary (of unknown provenance) and a primary source. A Wikipedia article on a historical battle should normally be based on at least three separate scholarly works which discuss the battle in some depth - books from reputable publishers, or papers in reputable peer-reviewed journals. ColinFine (talk) 21:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Question about Article of Creation

Hello!

I submitted an article (Rebecca B. Alston) for review, and it has been accepted. I have two questions: 1) what do I need to do to resolve the conflict of interest banner that is still on the article? 2) When will the webpage itself be created? I searched it manually and it seems to not be created yet. Archfusionpro (talk) 22:49, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

The article (or webpage) Rebecca B. Alston certainly exists. (Its section headers are all in headline case, they ought to be in sentence case.) Maproom (talk) 06:18, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Archfusionpro The COI banner is there probably because the text contains such gems as "Bio Forms communicates a distinction from her earlier geometric work while retaining a subtle indication of geometric vocabulary, moving towards more fluid, exploratory forms that reference organic decay through viral compositions. These works elucidate a dynamic microcosm rendered through a unified approach merging painting and drawing techniques." which are not cited to a source and read like as if written by someone with a COI. Clean out all such material and the COI will be less obvious. As to "search it manually", do you mean you tried to use an external search engine to find the article but failed as it hasn't yet been indexed? That's because, although the AfC process is complete the article has not been reviewed by the new pages patrol and won't be available to search engines until it is, or 90 days have elapsed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Question about country articles

Take a country on Wikipedia like Iceland for example. Iceland, like many other countries on Wikipedia, has sub-articles that go along with the parent country. However, what if an article related to Iceland, like Languages of Iceland, seems too short? Can it be merged into its own section on the country's article, or is it required to be its own separate article on Wikipedia? DiamondFrxsh (talk) 23:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

@DiamondFrxsh, Welcome to the Teahouse. Nothing "requires" an article on Wikipedia. If you think that it should be merged, see the instructions at WP:Merging. If the instructions are too complicated, feel free to ask for more help. Happy editing! CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 01:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Languages of Iceland has had a "additional citations needed" tag on it since September 2014. I would search for additional references first, and then perhaps merge it to Icelandic language if the aforementioned article can't be improved. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 07:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I was thinking about proposing a merge to that article, but wanted to ask this question first on whether countries required sub-articles. Thanks! DiamondFrxsh (talk) 11:36, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Question about the most appropriate way to list Notable Works

Hello! When listing notable works at the end of an article, is there a specific format that must be followed? I see notable works listed in different ways at the end of articles (like journalists, writers, filmmakers, etc.) and sometimes it's a table, sometimes it's a list that only has the title/year. Other times with more details... Is there a preferred or "more correct" way than others? Thank you! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 00:07, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Kinfolx1114 As you have found, there are many ways to do these lists. The official manual of style on the topic is at MOS:LISTSOFWORKS, so please be guided by that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 19:12, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Comeback at Eurovision!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eurovision_Song_Contest_2025&action=edit&section=15 JLStevenNgao (talk) 01:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

This may relate to Eurovision Song Contest 2025. Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 01:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

how do i report an experienced user who never read the warning given on their talk page?

I have warned User:Imdeadinside12 twice to start using edit summaries in their talk page. Then, i look into their talk page, seems like this user has been warned regarding other edit related stuff too from other users multiple times. Is there a way to report an account that behaves this way? Http iosue (talk) 02:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Per User talk:Imdeadinside12, dating back to 2021, this editor has been warned on Talk page to A) Provide edit summaries, B) not enter original research, C) provide references. The editor has not created a User page or ever replied on own Talk page, so may not be aware there is a Talk page. However, Imdeadinside12 has successfully made thousands of edits to article with a low revert rate, so maybe this is not the fight to pick. David notMD (talk) 02:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Violet Sky

My Draft:Violet Sky needs to be improved. But I have a question, is it notable enough to be on Wikipedia, and how can I improve it? Aubreeprincess (talk) 06:48, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Aubreeprincess, Bonadea has written "No real claim to notability in the draft, and the sources are local publications and/or build directly on interviews." If you disagree with part (or all) of this, then bring up the matter with Bonadea. But if you (perhaps sadly) concede that Bonadea is right, then be sure to cite better sources. (If these don't exist, no article can be produced.) If you want a second opinion on the value of the sources you've already cited, then please, in this Teahouse thread, link to the three that you consider the best among the seven. -- Hoary (talk) 09:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

For the record, Aubreeprincess did also post to my user talk page to ask about this, and I responded there – unfortunately, they also posted some personal attacks at another help desk and on their own user talk page, and they were blocked for a couple of days. --bonadea contributions talk 10:00, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh dear. Yes, and also an essay (now deleted). Aubreeprincess, finding reliable sources to confirm what one already knows is true can be very difficult, and it's very hard to persuade other editors to do this for one. -- Hoary (talk) 10:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

What do I do with the TemplateData?

I edited the sandbox of Template:Infobox Russian inhabited locality. When I added a new parameter via UI, it generated template data for all parameters at the end of the template.

In the test cases, it now always gets appended after template. So that's obviously not right.

Does this template data serve any purpose aside from documentation, and would I have to move it there?

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 11:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Request to change protection level

Where should a request to change the protection level be posted? This is the one I'm talking about (but regardless, I would like to know): Talk:Kushwaha#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_16_April_2025 TIA! Lova Falk (talk) 11:58, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I've responded at Talk:Kushwaha, Lova Falk. -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Lova Falk (talk) 12:22, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

The Equalizer (1985 TV series): New/Proposed Season Articles discussion

Hello fellow Editors... I'm seeking Advice, and Help if you're willing, as I've sorta hit a wall. I'll check back here if forced to, but I've created a Talk area to have a fuller discussion regarding FOUR New Season Articles I'm drafting in my User space... for TEST purposes, prior submitting them as Drafts for Review. Reason being, I'll have to learn transcluding the Season articles' episode lists to an existing List page. But...

Rather then go into detail here, read this in my Sandbox first... then please Reply in my Talk page here....

I already have the first two season articles mostly prepared, and am working on the remaining two seasons (3 & 4). Season 1 & 2 links are available from the "read this first" link above.

Any/All CONSTRUCTIVE Advice & Criticism is welcomed, and TIA ~<}:^> GreyElfGT (talk) 12:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

A new article

Hello! I would like to create a page on the music artist The Stupendium. I would create it but I don’t have the time nor do i have the info. If some people would like to help me i will create a draft and put it here. (Boeing747Pilot) Boeing747Pilot (talk) 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Boeing747Pilot, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but if you're not able to put the time into finding the essential reliable independent sources required to establish that The Stupendium is notable, then it is very unlikely to happen. While it's not impossible that somebody will see your request and want to work with you, it's not very likely: why should a volunteer editor want to? (Maybe if somebody else here is a fan).

In its present state Draft:The Stupendium has zero chance of being accepted, because it has only a single source, whose reliability is disputed (see WP:GENIUS), and does not really have significant coverage of the artist.

Please see your first article. ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes i am aware of the fact the article is very short. I don’t plan a submitting it within the week or maybe even the month. I have a lot to do and will put as much time in as i can. And i know The Stupendium is known. I will put more sources in and hunt to find anymore. (Boeing747Pilot) Boeing747Pilot (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Yearbook a reliable source?

Hello, I edited a Wikipedia page for a school and put the school's yearbook as a source for some dates related to the school, and someone else edited the page and marked it as a possibly unreliable source. Is a school's own yearbook an unreliable source for the school? ShamrockFrog64 (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

WP:RSN has discussed it occasionally, and typically sees it as a self-published/non-independent source. So it could verify some details about a school similar to how the school's own website would. DMacks (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Images

I need to add images to my draft but it would be impossible to make it my own work and it would be hard to contact the creator. What do i do? (Boeing747Pilot) Boeing747Pilot (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello again, @Boeing747Pilot. If you are able to take a photo of the subject (not of an existing image, which is almost certainly somebody else's copyright) yourself, then it is your own work, and you have the legal power to license it in the way that Wikimedia Commons requires. IN most other cases, you cannot. See WP:image use policy.

But if you are talking about Draft:The Stupendium, there is no point in worrying about images before you've established that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - it's like trying to paint the windows of a house before you've even surveyed the plot to make sure it's fit to build on. Images won't affect whether the draft is accepted as an article or not. ColinFine (talk) 17:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I will build on to the article. I don’t plan on completing soon considering what i need to do and the time i have. (Boeing747Pilot) Boeing747Pilot (talk) 17:08, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Map Template Errors

I just finished writing an article on a Lake in Sweden --- Pulsujärvi (lake), I had used Infobox Water body template but when I added the coordinates, It is not showing the Map preview, I donno if it's an error or something like that, Need Guidance! 👑 Jesus isGreat7 👑 | 📜 Royal Talk 15:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

What you have is correct! All pages lead to a place like that! (Boeing747Pilot) Boeing747Pilot (talk) 16:29, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

If you press the if you press the goes URL then it will take you to Google Earth. (Boeing747Pilot) Boeing747Pilot (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @JesusisGreat7. You have added the coordinates, but you haven't specified a map in the pushpin_map argument. See Template:Infobox body of water ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Jakob Erbar

Hi!  I was viewing info on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Erbar.  In the Reference section, one reference has a glaring error.  However, I am stumped on how to change it as the edit link does not show the information.  What to do?  Thanks. Wdrazo (talk) 18:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I've fixed an error ("Macmillsn" for "Macmillan"). I don't know if that's the one you mean. Maproom (talk) 20:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Wdrazo (talk) 23:34, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Wdrazo, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The probable reason why you couldn't find it is that in the source, the text of references is not in the reference section, but in the section where the reference is first cited. The software collects them into the refernce section. So Maproom fixed the typo where Reference 2 is defined, at the end of the first paragraph. ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Nothing like something staring you in the face for years. Thanks for clearing that up! Wdrazo (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Changing faulty secondary source to correct primary source

I was reading the page for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guy_She_Was_Interested_in_Wasn%27t_a_Guy_at_All and in its other section it mentions a playlist being published by Apple Music and Spotify, but the playlist is published by Universal Music Japan, I couldn't find any secondary sources that say this info, would it be correct to replace the wrong secondary source with a primary link to the playlist on the official Universal Music Japan youtube channel/tweet from the authors account Jackdawss (talk) 19:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Jackdawss, welcome to the Teahouse. Primary sources which are reliably published are fine for facts. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Primary Sources

are there supposed to be no primary sources for an organization's page? as in internal documentation etc Brokebutbrilliant (talk) 21:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

this is also about corporate notability. can I ask about certain links? Brokebutbrilliant (talk) 21:29, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your "paid" declaration for Draft:Presearch, Brokebutbrilliant. Very limited use can be made of primary sources. However, any claim that rises above the very humdrum has to depend on secondary sources, as does demonstration of notability. It seems to me that this draft is going nowhere. Perhaps Presearch will be notable a couple of years from now. -- Hoary (talk) 21:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

You're very welcome. That first response was to ensure that removing this primary sources was needed, as I eliminated it all for secondary sources. (At first I thought it was good to provide primary sources). I'm going to upload the draft after this reply. TechCrunch, The New Stack, PCMag, Lifewire, and the Search Engine Journal are the secondary sources for notability, but there were others added for further references. Those secondary sources mention the subject as the headline and focus, and not including lists of alternatives, which I'm assuming for now means subject written about in passing. If that is rejected, are the Teahouse -- or the reviewing editor -- able to give specific parameters? In reference to the sector, search engines, there is a handful of companies, listed on List of Search Engines and with their own pages, that have less or comparable secondary, notable publications by Wikipedia's guidelines. Seeks maybe two. Dogpile maybe seven, two of which were about raising or acquisitions -- which aren't included in the latest draft:presearch after reply. Kagi six. Elasticsearch seven. OpenSearch_(software) maybe 7. If YaCy, in the same distributed sector, touts Heise Online, The Register, and PC World, then it would seem logical to me that TechCrunch, The New Stack, PCMag, Lifewire, and the Search Engine Journal, even if whittled down to compare to YaCy's notable publications, would be comparable for draft:presearch. -bbb Brokebutbrilliant (talk) 23:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is written about the question of article deletion, but it's just as valid for the question of article creation. -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Mango's Cafe

I'm trying to make an article on a local café called Magno's, and I have no idea how to add the title on the draft. Can someone help me with this? QeedIsAWatermelon (talk) 23:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @QeedIsAWatermelon, Here you go Draft:Magno's, You can click on the link to start your draft and write about the subject, make sure you search the web for reliable sources. Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 23:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I added a draft submission template to the top and a section for references at the bottom. To have these added automatically, use Wikipedia:Article wizard. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 06:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Formatting help

Something fucky is up with this page Banyamulenge but I'm not used to wiki formatting enough to fix it. Can someone take a look? Thanks! Sock-the-guy (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Someone fixed it, thanks! Sock-the-guy (talk) 23:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

How long do middle-class drafts wait until review?

I asked why AFCs took so long earlier here in the teahouse, but it seems to have been archived. I wanted to ask editors who have been on this site longer, how long does it take for drafts that are not amazing nor are they terrible to get reviewed? Theres a backlog of 3,000 and historically, it seems like this has always been the case. DotesConks (talk) 23:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @DotesConks, thank you for reaching out to Teahouse, To my best of knowledge, it depends on the time you created your draft, Someone will attend to a draft if they are active at the time you created the draft else if not reviewed as soon as possible, it goes to backlog which some reviews still check, and it also depends on your created piece, some articles get attention than the other especially if it’s of public interest, important, a spam or otherwise. Editors likely review the first set of articles they see per WP:NPP and try to send a feedback, but if you create directly, There is not stipulated timeframe as new page reviewers can patrol on there own discretion. Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 23:50, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Chippla360 I understand, but I was already told this and really I'm just asking for an estimated review time for drafts that don't excel yet aren't dumpster fires. Given that the oldest draft is 20 months old, this has me awfully concerned. DotesConks (talk) 00:10, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Review has no timeframe, It depends on when someone gets to it, but I assure you if you’re a user actively creating clean pages, there is a possibility your articles get reviewed within a week. A 20 month draft ? In Wikipedia unedited drafts are deleted after a period of 6months which is the G13 delete so if the draft is 20 months, I suggest you either resubmit the draft or ask a reviewer to have a look at it, hope it meets WP:GNG? Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 00:18, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

DotesConks, you are correct that excellent drafts tend to get accepted pretty promptly and terrible drafts tend to get declined or rejected pretty promptly. So, the best way to get a draft of middling quality approved quickly is to improve it significantly. Problems that cause drafts to stall are several: Thinking that adding lots of mediocre references is better than selecting fewer excellent quality references. That's false, and reference quality is vastly more important than quantity. Failing to make a plausible claim of notability in the lead section. Using promotional language instead of rigorously neutral language. Also, the fact is that drafts about highly technical topics often languish. This applies also to drafts where most of the references are in foreign languages, especially those written in non-Latin scripts. Many reviewers are less likely to feel comfortable with such drafts requiring special skills to assess properly. Cullen328 (talk) 00:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

hello @Cullen328 who are you tagging on the text lol ? Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 00:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Chippla, please clarify your remark and your "lol". Cullen328 (talk) 04:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@DotesConks take a look at your Draft talk:North Korean defection methods, you noted on your Userpage it’s the best you have created, there are reliable source but it still fails verification, so many citation needed tags, lacks verifiable inline citations. So probably this could pend also untill issues are resolved. Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 00:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@Chippla360 I already explained to the editor what my manual of style is. I'd say 80% of the citation needed templates should be removed. DotesConks (talk) 01:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I've tried my best to supply as many high quality and medium quality sources to my created drafts but it just isn't enough to make it outstanding. Which is why I am asking this question now, nearly 3 weeks on from submitting my drafts. If I have to play the long game, how long will that game be? DotesConks (talk) 00:25, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Just for the record, before that "20 months" claim becomes canonised, the oldest draft currently at AfC is 3½ months old. There are 24 drafts over 3 months, accounting for <1% of the pending c. 2,800 drafts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

My first reaction (luckily, only in my head) to this thread was "Aw, stop whingeing." But then I took a look at Draft:North Korean defection methods. This is littered with admonishing templates. Sample: Upon reaching a "friendly"{{Clarify|reason=Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which requires content to be factual, accurate, and reasonably precise. Thus, referring to "friendly" countries, especially without clarification of the term, is not good enough. I suggest changing it to a description of how these countries view defectors, or some other factual collective description of "friendly" countries. According to Wikipedia, no countries are "friendly".|date=April 2025}} country, North Koreans surrender themselves to the police.... I suggest that in the particular context (which is, after all, how we normally understand words), "friendly" is easily interpretable as "believed by potential defectors from North Korea and/or their assistants to be receptive to applications for refugee status" or similar. "Friendly" is perhaps not the best word; it doesn't have to be: (i) it's in quotes, suggesting that it's not in Wikipedia's voice; (ii) this is an article candidate, not a Featured Article candidate. I have already removed one admonishing template as mere pettifogging; other experienced editors may wish to take a look at the draft and consider the aptness of its templates. -- Hoary (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

In the News proposal process

Hello, I’ve proposed a new item for in the news at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#Women’s World Chess Championship

Is there anything else I need to do personally, or is it a matter of enough people supporting/opposing it?

Do I need to monitor the entry to see if people support it and then add the (Ready) tag? Xrisk (talk) 09:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I'd suggest asking questions about the ITN process at its talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)