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Verification of draft for my botany profssor

Hi everyone! I’m a new editor and I’ve written a sandbox draft for an article about my botany professor, Dr. P. Hariprasad. He has a PhD in chemical mutagenesis, has co-authored a state science textbook, taught for over 40 years, and mentored over 350 doctors and many researchers.

Could someone kindly review the draft and let me know if it meets the standards for notability and format?

Here’s the link to my sandbox draft: User:XxRebornGOATxX/sandbox

Thanks so much for your help! XxRebornGOATxX (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing, but you shouldn't write something you are connected to. If you still want to, see WP:coi. Happy editing! Rafael Hello! 17:24, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@XxRebornGOATxX The immediate problem with your draft is that it has no cited sources to already-published information. This is part of Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people. It is not surprising that you made this error, which is common when new users try immediately to create articles. Please read Help:Your first article or, as I would advise, edit some existing articles to learn how Wikipedia works. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

... contrary to what @Rafaelthegreat has said, you are allowed to write with a COI, provided you submit the draft via WP:AfC. As I've said it would currently be rapidly declined in that process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

i have added other external links now, do u mean i shud add the links for the tobacco plant and other words for which articles already exist? XxRebornGOATxX (talk) 17:52, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@XxRebornGOATxX You need to add reliable sources that discuss the professor to verify that the information you are adding about the professor is correct, as well as to show that he meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability for people or for academics. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:57, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Please also see Help:Referencing for beginners. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@XxRebornGOATxX It also looks like your draft is written by AI; please do not use AI to write anything on Wikipedia. See WP:LLM. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

i havent used ai, although i have written the script i uploaded the script to chatgpt and asked it to code for the subtopics since i have no connection with html nor css, i also asked it not to alter any phrases, plus i used gramarly also XxRebornGOATxX (talk) 17:53, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@XxRebornGOATxX, I hope it's OK, I have gone ahead and added citation needed to the early life section as an example of what needs referencing. This will give you an idea as to what Wikipedia is looking for per WP:BLP. Knitsey (talk) 18:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Obviously, feel free to remove the templates. Knitsey (talk) 18:04, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

hey thank u sm man, rly appreciate the efforts, can u tell me how i can make my page more legit and can get it to be published? XxRebornGOATxX (talk) 00:54, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

You wrote the article WP:BACKWARD. In my view, you need to start over and write it forward instead. That is, don't write a single word until you have gathered multiple reliable sources that are independent of Hariprasad and contain significant coverage of him. Only then should you start writing words based on what the sources say, not based on what you know.

Continuing to proceed down the road you are already on, will lead only to frustration; your draft is likely never to be accepted as an article. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:48, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Redirecting on Playmobil article.

Redirecting. The act of merging something onto another article. I don’t really enjoy it, because redirect a lot of times is basically robbing certain subjects of their own articles and caging them on other articles. But in my request, redirect is for once not a piece of crap. Igracek is a Czech copy of Playmobil, first released in 1976. The brand still continues to be manufactured by company Efko. It doesn’t have it’s own article, but we should probably make a “Other Variants” section on the article and redirect Igracek there. 184.60.230.19 (talk) 23:48, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

You might be looking for WP:AFC/R. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source that describes Igráček as a copy of Playmobil, this can be added to the Playmobil article. Playmobil currently has a section about "Bootlegs and unauthorized figures" but this section cites zero reliable sources, only a forum post which is unreliable. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, fix up the Playmobil article, cite reliable sources, and removed the red link to Igracek in the "See also" section. If you don't want to make an account, post back here when Igracek is covered and another editor can do the redirect. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Admin blocks

How often do administrators get blocked or banned? Super Salty (talk) 23:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Typically not often, because administrators got to be administrators by earning the trust of the community to make good decisions. That said, administrators do get blocked, which doesn't prevent an administrator from editing. An administrator who is blocked is expected to refrain from editing as if blocked. It happened to me once during a content dispute. In that case, I was being a regular editor, not an administrator, so I couldn't use my 'status' as an administrator to continue editing, but instead I had to respect the block. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@Anachronist Huh? As far as I am aware, blocks prevent editing in exactly the same way from blocked admin accounts as from regular users (You may have confused this with page protections, which administrators can trivially edit through anyway, even when the page is fully protected due to edit warring). (This does not apply to users who also hold a group with the unblockself user right (currently assigned to Stewards, staff, and sysadmins)) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:37, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

When I became an admin, I experimentally blocked myself to test this, and the block didn't prevent me from anything, I recall. Maybe that has changed. Or my memory is faulty (this was over a decade ago). Page protection certainly doesn't, you're right about that. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:55, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@Anachronist: In 2010 you accidentally blocked yourself and quickly unblocked.[1] Maybe it's that which made you think it's ineffective to block admins. Wikipedia:Blocking policy#cite note-9 says: "Historically, administrators were able to unblock themselves (the unblockself user right), but this ability was removed in November 2018. Stewards can still unblock themselves, and self-imposed blocks can still be removed." PrimeHunter (talk) 22:30, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I see. WTF happened to my block log? I am certain it was longer than that. I've been blocked before, and not by me. Yes... here it is: User talk:Anachronist/Archives/2014#3RR. I wonder why that disappeared from my block log?

I do remember a time when I protected an article due to a content dispute, and a handful of admins just kept on editing it as if nothing had happened. This seemed like an abuse of admin privileges to act as normal editors while a page was full-protected. The dispute somehow spread to ANI, where those admins got a scolding. It didn't occur to me to block any of them because I felt it would be pointless. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:04, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@Anachronist: I only wanted to show your selfblock/unblock so my block log link also had you as performer. The 2014 block appears in the full block log.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

? StopLookingAtMe1 (talk) 08:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I think administrators are trustworthy in certain manner or they won't be admin at all. And they are the one supposed to show maturity before than any other general editors, so the situation of block rarely comes forward but that doesn't mean they are invincible. [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 07:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If administrators are rude to other users they may lose their admin capability. But they also have been blocked for having alternative accounts undisclosed, or previously being banned. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:29, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Can Pending Changes Reviewers decline an AFC draft

A BLP draft of mine, was declined. I understand and accept that it needs more citations. But out of curiosity, just wanted to check if an AfC draft can be declined by someone who is only Pending Changes Reviewer. I have good faith in the said editor, who is doing a very good job on en wiki. But just wanted to know. Not sure if such technical questions can be asked here... Thanks and regards! Davidindia (talk) 08:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Users who are not admins or New Page Reviewers need to meet the criteria listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. 331dot (talk) 08:13, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Requesting guidance on declined article about Sondra Sampson

Hi! I submitted a draft article about myself, Sondra Sampson, a Lumbee and Deaf author, and it was declined (or still pending). I’ve added reliable sources including The Robesonian, BookLife, and others. I also uploaded my own image under the correct CC license. Could someone please take a look and let me know what improvements I need to make to meet notability and formatting guidelines? Thank you! Momlumbee (talk) 11:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Momlumbee Your draft is awaiting review, please be patient. qcne (talk) 12:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

You will be notified when it is reviewed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Momlumbee Your draft needs to comply with the policy on biographies of living people, especially the need for inline citations to published sources that verify the content. So, for example, the first paragraph of "Early life and education" has no citation. This is a typical problem for autobiographies: you have added information you know to be true but may not be able to back it up with sourcing. You must do so or remove that part. This essay describes the situation and how to remedy it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Article about "homogenized cheese" (pol. serek homogenizowany) on English WIkipedia???

Dear Friends.

I do wonder whether you want me to translate Polish Wikipedia article about serek homogenizowany / homogenized cheese into English? This is a milk-based product you do not (I think?) have in Western world and it seems to me to be specific for Poland?

I mean, I can translate it, but I am also not sure if there is a need, so I wanted to ask here :-)

Best wihes!

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 12:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Please do. It seems like it would be eligible for an article here, but to be published it must include two (preferably three) sources that meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE.

Please see WP:Translate for further guidance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:08, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hm... I am not an expert on judging which references are OK and which are not :-( Do you think it would be okay, or need additional sources? I'm pretty sure I could find something if need be, per instance, on Polish sites about dietetics?

Best wishes!

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I can't read sources in Polish, so cannot comment on those used in the article there. If you need help from a Polish speaking editor who is familiar with the English-language Wikipedia, you can find one listed on Wikipedia:Local Embassy Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:27, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Homogenized cheese - any help with references?

Dear Friends.

i translated the article from POL Wikipedia about homogenized cheese. However, it seems to me I have a little problem with my references. Could somebody look and fix them for me? I am kind of lost, to be honest.

LINK: User:Kaworu1992/Homogenized cheese

Thank you in advance

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 14:32, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

EDIT: Okay, I seems to have figured it out by now, sorry for the commotion :-) Kaworu1992 (talk) 14:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Homogenized cheese

Dear Friends.

I have published on EN Wikipedia an article about Homogenized cheese. Please, feel free to correct my grammar and do other stuff, okay? ;-)

Best wishes!

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 14:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Looks good, thank you. I've given it a very light copy-edit, added projects on the talk page, and set up some redirects to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:00, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kaworu1992, I am too late to give advice, but the article looks good! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I am confused

Hi I recently got blocked for a while and then got unblocked. My mentor before my block was @Tol but now that I could not talk with him for a while my new mentor is @Frosty. Why is this? BobbleObill (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@BobbleObill The Special:Homepage software seems to make it possible that the offered mentor can change from time to time. Mentors can (re)claim mentees using a feature described at WP:GT/ML, so when they see this thread you can decide which mentor you want to continue with. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:14, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull is a good mentor too. I believe you were mine when I started Mike, some years ago now... Iljhgtn (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Flattery Will Get You Everywhere. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:27, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Fully agree with your mentor evaluation, @Iljhgtn (but might take issue with said mentor’s flattery payoff promise). 🙂 Augnablik (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

View a user's "groups" (permissions)

I used to be able to just hit "tools" then "View user groups" to be able to see which permissions or "groups" someone had or belonged to. I was recently granted event coordinator, and now I can only view "change groups" and not "view groups". Is that right? Should I not be able to just view someone's groups without needing to change them any longer? Iljhgtn (talk) 13:19, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: at least for me, the 'user groups' item is in the 'user' menu, not in 'tools'. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:16, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

That is right. It's the basically the same page, but has a different link title and extra buttons and instructions if you can change a user's groups. As event coordinator, you can now change groups. You can probably fashion some hack to remove the instructions and buttons, if it's really a thing for you. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: I have the same "Member of:" list at Special:UserRights/Iljhgtn when I'm logged in and out but logged in as an admin who can change groups, I see a lot of stuff before it and have to scroll down a line to see the list. Your screen size and zoom level may be different. I also see extra stuff after the list. I don't see an anchor in a good position for a direct link but does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Iljhgtn#:~:text=Member%20of jump to the right place for you? It depends on the browser. If it works and you don't want to have to scroll then a script could jump there on the link. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I didn't want to just check myself. I was asking to be able to check on others from time to time as well. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: I know. I wondered whether you would prefer the link under tools to have that pattern for the given user. I still don't know whether you actually see a list of user rights and if so, whether your browser scrolls to it on that link. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:16, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: At the bottom of a user's contributions page, there is a box containing a number of links, one of which is "User groups". Deor (talk) 22:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but it goes to the same page Special:UserRights/Iljhgtn as the link under tools. Until 2 months ago [3] it went to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&username=Iljhgtn but on that page most users also have to scroll down to see the groups. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Converting match data into WikiScript

 Courtesy link: Draft:2025-26 Svenska Cupen

Hello! I am trying to make a Wikipedia article about the 2025-26 Svenska Cupen. Manually entering all the results with the template "footballbox collapsible" will take forever, so I'm wondering if anyone knows an automatic way of formating these results. I have no coding experience. Rockfighterz M (talk) 15:35, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Rockfighterz M, and welcome to the Teahouse.

There is absolutely no point in spending time putting this table - or anything else - into your draft, until you have found some sources that will establish that the tournament meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - that is, several sources that are wholly independent of the tournament and its sponsors and organisers, that are reliable publications, and that have significant coverage of the tournament (which would be a lot more than simply a list of games, teams, or results). See WP:42 for the criteria that the sources need to meet.

Reviewers will not even look at your table, if satisfactory sources aren't there. ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Rockfighterz, those entries are formatted in HTML, the web's programming language, and have an internal structure of their own that could be parsed by a fairly simple bit of code, possibly even by a regex. Each of those matches is represented by one HTML list element with class match-list__match, and if you establish notability as Colin has mentioned, that would be your starting point. Mathglot (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

This topic is *apparently* notable. It is the currently ongoing second biggest football tournament in Sweden and is significantly covered by reputable, secondary sources. I, however, can't code at all. Perhaps I can try to learn it, so thank you Mathglot for the search terms. Rockfighterz M (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Looking at the HTML, everything seems quite neatly annotated with CSS, so parsing this should be relatively easy. I might even give it a try if it hasn't been done by tomorrow evening, though I also suspect xkcd 1319 may apply. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:19, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Maddy from Celeste. If you'd like to help, please just put the table in the draft. Rockfighterz M (talk) 09:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

The following PCRE pulls the essential data from the first score, and transforms it:

Regex transform on one list element of the HTML

This PCRE: s!<li class="match-list__match ">.*?<span class="match-list__team-name">(.*?)</span>.*?<span class="match-list__score">(.*?)</span>.*?<span class="match-list__team-name">(.*?)</span>.*?<span class="match-list__score">(.*?)</span>.*?<time class="match-list__date" datetime=.*?>(.*?)</time>.*?</li>!team1=\1; score1=\2; team2=\3; score2=\4; date=\5!s transforms this HTML list element: <li class="match-list__match "> <a class="match-list__link" href="/go-to/?fmid=6408310" > <div class="match-list__result"> <div class="match-list__home"> <span class="match-list__team"> <span class="team-logo"> <img class="team-logo__img" loading="lazy" src="https://staticcdn.svenskfotboll.se/img/teamssm/9774.png" alt="Öckerö IF emblem"> </span> <span class="match-list__team-name">Öckerö IF</span> </span> <span class="match-list__score">2</span> </div> <div class="match-list__away"> <span class="match-list__team"> <span class="team-logo"> <img class="team-logo__img" loading="lazy" src="https://staticcdn.svenskfotboll.se/img/teamssm/6983.png" alt="FC Trollhättan emblem"> </span> <span class="match-list__team-name">FC Trollhättan</span> </span> <span class="match-list__score">0</span> </div> </div> <div class="match-list__info"> <div class="match-list__place"> <time class="match-list__date" datetime="2025-05-07T19:30+02:00">19:30, 7 maj 2025</time> <span class="match-list__location">Prästängen 1 Konstgräs</span> <span class="match-list__audience"></span> </div> </div> </a> </li> Into this output: team1=Öckerö IF; score1=2; team2=FC Trollhättan; score2=0; date=19:30, 7 maj 2025

This should be considered a proof of concept, and has only been tested on the first game shown on the page; other games may have slightly different formats or data, and the regex would have to be adjusted accordingly. Once updated, you could run the regex once on the entire file to generate wikicode to display the games however you want (including translating the month names). HTH, Mathglot (talk) 17:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Userbox wrangling

Hello Teahouse! I'm not a new user but I am still getting the hang of a few things on WP. Most recently, I've been trying to add userboxes to my page and have them set out quite neatly in rows of 4. However, no matter what I do (in the visual or source editor) I can't seem to get things to line up. I'm somewhat at my wit's end! I'd greatly appreciate any pointers or information on why things aren't lining up, so I can rectify it.

Many thanks! Fwltur Gwydr (talk) 17:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @Fwltur Gwydr, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Does WP:Userboxes#Grouping userboxes help? ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh this is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you Fwltur Gwydr (talk) 14:37, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Question

How do I add the Welcome template that a lot of users use to welcome others, for example on my talk page? WikiHelper3906 (talk) 18:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

There are some templates here Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates. Is this what you're looking for? Knitsey (talk) 18:56, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

No, the one that was used on my talk page. WikiHelper3906 (talk) 19:42, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The specific template that was used on your own talk page is {{Welcoming}} (the code is {{subst:welcoming}} ~~~~). If you use Twinkle, you can also apply templates such as that one on user talk pages. (You can test these at User talk:Sandbox for user warnings). Justjourney (talk | contribs) 19:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft review request

Hello, I have a draft about myself, but to avoid conflict of interest, I’m looking for a neutral editor to review and submit the article if it meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. Can someone help? Sshirangi (talk) 00:12, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

From my evaluation, writing about yourself is discouraged in Wikipedia, and it passes basic WP:COI, check WP:Autobiography. However, from what I see in your article, you have demonstrated an inability to write an article even about yourself, which is, as guessed, filled with promotion, bias and unnecessary flattery proses. How about you take a time learning here and here. Please read this and this too. Sys64 message this user 00:48, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Additionally, there is a large backlog of drafts. usually if you have submitted a draft for review you have to be patient; it’s unfair for everybody if people are able to ‘skip the line’ by asking for a review. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 02:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@GoldRomean, if we would look at [his draft], it seems it has not been updated for than 5 months as well as............ it does not seems quite an article to me. Sys64 message this user 02:23, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, and @Sshirangi highly suggest you not submit the draft for review unless you’ve significantly changed it with some of the info others have/might give you; Help:Your first article is a good place to start. GoldRomean (talk) 02:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Sys64wiki, your comment is barely comprehensible and in one part mistaken. -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I will look into that. Thank you for bringing it up. Sys64 message this user 02:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Sshirangi, you have created Draft:Soheil Shirangi and Draft:Soheil Shirangi 2. They're about the same subject. That's already one too many, regardless of the notability of the subject or the quality of the draft. Each resembles a CV. An article here does not resemble a CV. For this reason and others, submission of your draft in anything like its current state would be declined. -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Both of your drafts have been deleted as copyright violations of material already published elsewhere. While you may own the copyright to that material, you may not use Wikipedia to publish copyrighted material because Wikipedia has not been given permission to publish it, and we do not accept the word of some random Wikipedia account that permission to republish has been granted. See WP:CONSENT for more details.

Just copying and pasting that material also doesn't constitute a Wikipedia article. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:37, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Big scary errors

Theres a bunch of big scary errors at Almost all

Thanks 125.237.67.137 (talk) 10:03, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't see any page errors. Do you mean there are errors in the content? TurboSuperA+_(connect) 10:04, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Do you mean the CS1 errors? Red warnings when you preview the page. Just ignore them, they're unimportant. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I assume they meant these: https://imgur.com/a/8LJdbm3. — DVRTed (Talk) 10:36, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I guess most browsers (even mobile) have MathML or an equivalent enabled. Apparently there is a Firefox add-on that seems to provide MathML support specifically on MediaWiki. TurboSuperA+_(connect) 10:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Equations usually render just fine for me in Firefox without any special extensions needed. (And the page in question currently looks fine, admittedly hours later.) -- Avocado (talk) 16:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Now that's weird - I thought WP rendered this stuff server-side? Andy Dingley (talk) 11:56, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I thought WP rendered this stuff server-side?

In this economy? TurboSuperA+_(connect) 12:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

This seems to be a known issue – see e.g. this discussion. The suggested fix is to purge the affected page. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:2025 Karachi building collapse

Hello community. I have write a draft article about a major incident of Building collapse Draft:2025 Karachi building collapse in Karachi, Pakistan. I have try my best to add reliable and secondary sources and a Infobox. You are all invited to fix any errors or any suggestions for the draft to meet it with Wikipedia Standards for move into main space. Thank you Vaspuraqan (talk) 12:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Now at 2025 Karachi building collapse. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Invalid "Level 2 warning" against my account

Dahawk04 has issued a "Level 2 warning" against my account and described my work as vandalism. Please explain why properly. This was not necessary and should be taken back.Yankinthebank (talk) Yankinthebank (talk) 17:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not clear on what the edit in question was meant to achieve. 331dot (talk) 17:10, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

It was defined as: "Put 'em in the dark, feed 'em shit and watch 'em  grow."  

Was not only unsourced but did not appear to add value to the article. If another editor would like to support adding it back I have no opposition to this. Dahawk04 (talk) 17:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

(Courtesy diff: Special:Diff/1299986345)
@Dahawk04: Well, the wikilink right there takes you to The Soul of a New Machine, which references the same line. Just a little bit of research would bring you to page 109 of The Soul of a New Machine, which reads: Alsing believed the team’s managers [...] were practicing what was called “the mushroom theory of management.” [...] The Eclipse Group’s managers defined it as follows: “Put ’em in the dark, feed ’em shit, and watch ’em grow.” It obviously wasn't vandalism, so you might want to retract that warning. — DVRTed (Talk) 17:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Yankinthebank, your original edits were unreferenced and included a profanity. Also worth noting, the warning you received was worded very mildly. Accordingly, calling that message "invalid" is incorrect. It was left in good faith. You have added back the content with a proper reference, and no one now objects. I suggest that you drop the matter and move on. Cullen328 (talk) 17:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

DVRTed, what seems obvious to you may not be obvious to someone who sees unreferenced addition of a quote including the word "shit". Cullen328 (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328 much appreciated and agree on your commentary Dahawk04 Talk 💬 04:10, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Yankinthebank: I can see that your edit was described as "nonconstructive". Where was it called "vandalism"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:15, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

"Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted or removed"? — DVRTed (Talk) 02:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

You can also see it on his @Yankinthebank talk page. Mandlerex (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft review request for Soheil Shirangi

Hi, I have a new neutral draft about Soheil Shirangi written by someone else to avoid COI. Can anyone help review and submit? 130.212.95.219 (talk) 17:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Having someone else write it does not avoid COI, it just transfers it to that person. That person must declare the COI. You don't link to the draft, so it's hard to help you(I couldn't find it searching the title in draft space), but if the Article Wizard was used to create it, information to submit it is provided, and the editor may submit it for review themselves. 331dot (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Soheil Shirangi 2 and Draft:Soheil Shirangi both deleted as copyright violations. Theroadislong (talk) 17:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

How can I redirect a category page?

Hello friends!

Yesterday, I spent a few hours doing some updates to Igor & The Red Elvises and their many related pages. One of the biggest updates was renaming their band name on various pages from the former name, which was simply "Red Elvises".

As part of the update, I created Category:Red_Elvises_albums and updated all pages linking from Category:Red_Elvises_albums to this updated page. So now, I have two problems:

• Category:Red_Elvises_albums still has a page under its category (Grooving to the Moscow Beat- but that page is a redirect to Igor & The Red Elvises. I can't figure out how to make that page disappear from Category:Red_Elvises_albums.
• I don't know how to redirect the page Category:Red_Elvises_albums over to Category:Igor_&_The_Red_Elvises_albums
• How can I update the redirect of Grooving to the Moscow Beat from Red Elvises to Igor & The Red Elvises? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaesaMajestas (talk • contribs) 18:40, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry if I tackled this whole thing wrong at some point. What is the best way to handle it from here?

Bonus question - How do I link to category pages without just showing the raw link? lol, sorry to have to ask.

Thanks for reading, and for any help/guidance you might be able to provide. <3

LaesaMajestas (talk) 18:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

OK, I'm so sorry to waste people's time. I've figured out the following so far:

• Updated the redirect on Grooving to the Moscow Beat.
• I might have done the redirect properly for the second bullet above, but the page does a soft redirect, not a full one. Is that how it should be done?
• Updated the category in Grooving to the Moscow Beat so it no longer appears on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Red_Elvises_albums
• Figured out the bonus question.

LaesaMajestas (talk) 18:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

How do I fix this issue on Category:Red Elvises albums? I edited the Wikidata content, but this message seems to stick.

• From a cross-project redirect: This is a soft redirect that is used as a connection to other Wikimedia projects. A Wikidata element is linked to this page: Category:Igor & The Red Elvises albums (Q8641528).

LaesaMajestas (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

How do I add an image?

Former IP editor for 2 months. You would think I got the hang of adding pictures here, but I never learned :P . DLJohnson56 (talk) 19:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. If you took the image yourself, you can upload it to Commons; see WP:UPIMAGE for more information. If you didn't, it's a bit harder(which we can go into if needed). 331dot (talk) 19:03, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

William Holden (character actor)

Please remove the blank column at the right of the table of films in William Holden (character actor). I don't understand table syntax. (I would also remove the empty "Notes" column, but perhaps there's some rule stating that such a column is required.) Thank you. 176.108.139.1 (talk) 20:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Fixed by removing an extra cell in the Framed row.[4] It may depend on the browser but before this removal I could spot the cell because it had horizontal borders in [5]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Contributing to the same page with multiple accounts

Why couldn’t you use multiple accounts to contribute to the same article or page in a way that suggests that they are multiple people? What happens if you did it? 76.81.87.234 (talk) 20:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

You would be blocked as a sock puppet, see WP:SOCK. 331dot (talk) 20:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Copyright question

Hello! I am interested in improving the article Gregor and the Marks of Secret, a fairly neglected article about a children's book from 2006. In the plot section, there's a not-insignificant amount of text (~70 words) copied from the book (the italicized parts), and uncited. It has been there in some form since 2008.

The section is quite poor, in my opinion, and should be significantly rewritten, and I am not asking for advice with regards to the actual content. Are the 70 words from the book itself enough to qualify as a copyright violation? Earwig doesn't think so, but as the source is print I think this would be outside its scope regardless.

I know copyvio is serious, but I don't want to waste anyone's time with a frivolous report if a WP:PLOTREF citation would suffice (at least short term), and I perused the copyright guidelines and didn't find guidance on a "cut off point" of where attribution would suffice vs. where it becomes a problem. NovaHyperion (talk) 21:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

The words are used as quotations, and as such they wouldn't be copyright violations. The bigger problem I see is WP:OR, where some editor's own interpretation of various prophecies is presented in Wikipedia's narrative voice without citing any sources. That entire section could be removed, or the first paragraph of it retained with a source. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Anachronist:Thank you for the response!

I think the OR concern is not quite as bad as it appears without context, since that is a faithful (to my eyes) summary of information from the book itself (the characters themselves performed that analysis and an editor then summarized it). I do not think that is a good format for that information, and far too in depth, but it is just a continuation of the plot summary.

I agree the section is unnecessary and could be removed or greatly reworked, and I definitely plan to look at it, but my immediate concern was if something needed to be promptly deleted on copyright grounds, which you have kindly addressed! NovaHyperion (talk) 23:15, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Why is Social Media not a reliable source?

Hi everyone, I’m anonymous, so can you please explain on why is social media not a reliable source and why it should never be used as one to cite with? Are there any examples of social media not being a reliable source, and what if you see one? Thank you. 76.81.111.218 (talk) 23:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Social Media is not a reliable in most cases, but sometimes it could be used as a primary source, depending on context. However, in most of the article, the reason we don't use social media is because they are filled with bias, misinformation and individual's creation. According to our core policies, WP: Guidelines, sources must be independent, published, and subject to editorial oversight. But that doesn't mean they are completely unreliable, you can use YouTube link to indicate the existence of a channel or a specific video, you can use reddit to indicate a thread dicussion that is important for the article, let's say you want to indicate that Brian Cox said X in his reddit discussion about Black Hole. It is when we talk about actual and proved facts, we need certain amount of secondary sources (non-social media) for the authenticity and only sources that are reliable. See WP: Reliable sources if you want to learn more. Cheers! Sys64 message this user 00:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

See also WP:SOCIALMEDIA. Social media is not considered as a reliable source. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 03:32, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello IP. In short, resources posted on social media are only as reliable as the person who published it. A YouTube video released by the New York Times could be reliable, but a random tweet you stumble upon on Twitter is not reliable. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 03:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Social media is full of fake news. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

There were some good answers offered in this recent response to a similar question. Are you the same person who asked that question?

Social media is not a reliable source because anyone can say anything on it, and there's no process that ensures that only true and verifiable information is published there.

If you see social media being used for "extraordinary claims", to establish notability, or for claims about a person/group/thing other than the one who authored the social media post, you can remove the citation and information from the article. -- Avocado (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

A need for a pediatric catatonia page?

I'm wondering if there is a need for a separate page for pediatric catatonia. While I believe there is significant coverage on it, I don't know if it's different enough to warrant it's own page. Ailurophobic (talk) 00:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Wouldn't hurt to have an article on it, if you can work on it while remembering the guidelines. Cheers!

P.S. I did some researches and I think the phenomenon is indeed something that requires its own article. Sys64 message this user 00:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Do you have three sources that are reliable for medical topics per WP:MEDRS and that pass the criteria at WP:42? If so, the subject is notable enough to have its own article. That doesn't, however, mean it must have its own article.

Creating a new article that passes all the criteria to be published is a major challenge, and you're likely to find it easier to do after you've made hundreds of edits to existing articles and been involved in discussions about them. For an easier path, you could start by incorporating some information into our article on catatonia, describing how it's different in pediatric cases. That may be easier to accomplish than publishing an entire separate article. Then, if sufficient information is added to make the original article unwieldy, it may become time to split off a new article.

You've also chosen a topic (medicine) where we have a higher bar for contributions than for the rest of the encyclopedia. I don't know if you're a medical professional, but it's especially difficult to contribute in that field for non-experts. You may want to visit WP:Wikiproject Medicine and WP:MEDHOW to get oriented. Introducing yourself and re-asking this question on the talk page at WT:MED may get you some better advice and support than we generalists at the Teahouse can offer.

If you do decide to start a new article, please read WP:YFA and WP:BACKWARDS -- following the advice there will help you succeed in getting the article accepted. -- Avocado (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Notability on Hawaii

A new contributor. How would I create separate drafts about Hawaiian culture and language words? Is media in Hawaii a reliable source? Does same count with academic journals in Hawaii? BlueWater5245 (talk) 00:38, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@BlueWater5245: You probably shouldn't. Hawaiian culture is already heavily covered at Hawaii#Culture, and the Hawaiian language already has its own article at Hawaiian language. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:46, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

BlueWater5245 Whatever your intended subject might be, you probably shouldn't. Not yet, anyway. Your list of contributions shows that you have so far made a total of zero edits to existing articles. There's no obligation to get experience in improving existing articles before embarking on drafts for entirely new ones; but starting out by essaying a draft is very likely to lead to unnecessary work both for you and for other editors (well-meant writing, then deletion of same because it's inappropriate, etc). ¶ I'm not sure what you mean by "about Hawaiian culture and language words". This is an encyclopedia and therefore generally describes concepts rather than words; still, Category:Hawaiian words and phrases may interest you. (Don't assume that everything there is good, or indeed that every article listed there should even exist.) There's no article on the morphology of Hawaiian, and morphology goes unmentioned in the article Hawaiian grammar. ¶ You ask if the media in Hawaii are reliable sources. I'd be surprised if they didn't, as elsewhere, range from utter garbage all the way up to reliably reliable. ¶ These days many journals with academic trappings are "predatory", publishing mere junk, to fool the gullible. But many are as good as they've ever been. One good idea to see what a journal's publisher is known for. (Having an impressive-sounding name -- "International Institute of [whatever]" or similar -- means nothing.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:59, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@BlueWater5245: If at some point you do use media citations, I would recommend that you ensure that whatever link you use as a citation is also archived at the Internet Archive. I have found that Hawaiian news outlets seem to change owners fairly frequently, & new owners tend to reorganize the websites including dropping many pages.

For books & journals, I recommend using WorldCat (see WorldCat). If one peruses the WorldCat records for a particular book or journal, & sometimes an article, one can often find an online source. I also recommend using the citer tool to prepare citation, as it can format citations using the data from WorldCat items by using https://citer.toolforge.org/?input_type=oclc. Peaceray (talk) 14:39, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

The Day the Voices Stopped, and its revised edition

Hello all, I wrote the plot summary for The Day the Voices Stopped, but the plot summary of his life is very seedy and I'm concerned because there is a revised paperback edition, even though it's a memoir. Do I need to buy the revised edition of the book and summarize the plot based off of the revised edition for it to be a GA or FA? BLP doesn't apply because he died 25 years ago? Therapyisgood (talk) 01:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Therapyisgood, whether reference to the revised edition is desirable might depend on the nature of the revision. (Correcting mere typos? Rewording more smoothly? Reinstating material previously cut in accordance with legal advice?) I have no comment on how the matter might impact chances at GA or FA. I see no suggestion in WP:BLP that WP:BLP applies to people who died 25 years previously. -- Hoary (talk) 02:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, as it's a memoir, it should have a synopsis rather than a plot summary (which is for fiction). 115.189.135.128 (talk) 02:10, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

BFDI not having an article

Hello! Is there a reason on why BFDI never have an article on its own? Why does this page got deleted way too many times? 76.81.111.210 (talk) 02:01, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

You can guess. - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 02:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

In other words, you will find a very full explanation at Wikipedia:BFDI.Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Adding Climate Data Citations

Basically, I want to add climate data to some articles based on https://prism.oregonstate.edu/explorer/, which has 800m climate data resolution.

However, occasionally, I will have to adjust for altitude by trying to use an assumed lapse rate (mainly on mountains, using the classic 6.5 C/km).

How do I go about this, and how can I cite the exact climate data location? Furthermore, if I do make adjustments based on a generally agreed-upon lapse rate, how do I add that to a citation? (Would it require me to make a website) Antarctican2606 (talk) 03:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Antarctican2606. The Teahouse is for asking and answering general questions about editing Wikipedia. You should not assume that Teahouse hosts have deep knowledge of climate data. Some of your comments indicate that you do not yet understand how things are presented on Wikipedia. When you casually mention generally agreed-upon lapse rate, my immediate response is agreed upon by whom and where? When you mention the classic 6.5 C/km, who calls this "classic" and where is it explained? Those are rhetorical questions. As for making a website, you are just another anonymous Wikipedia editor and any website that you create would not be a reliable source on Wikipedia. Please read No original research, which is a core content policy. In summary, you can only use climate data analysis techniques described and verified by reliable published sources that you cite, not any techniques that you develop yourself. Cullen328 (talk) 05:44, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

You could ask for specialist advice on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Climate task force. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Not sure on Welcome survey

Hi, can you explain what is the purpose of talking welcome surveys if you are a newcomer? NetRoots097 (talk) 04:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Which welcome survey would this be, NetRoots097? (On your talk page, I see no invitation to take a survey.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:02, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi NetRoots097, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know whether this survey is active but see mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Welcome survey#Summary. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

About the Kinich recasting drama on Kayli Millis page

Hey, I wanted to explain about the Kayli Millis edit that is removed which is about the Kinich recasting drama? I wanted to explain that I think we should do the best of both worlds since we can't keep the info away about this drama forever but we need to had a accurate info of the situation. CrusaderToonamiUK (talk) 11:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @CrusaderToonamiUK. I haven't a clue what this is about (except looking at your editing history), but if you have a disagreement with other editors (which is perfectly normal in Wikipedia) the thing to do is to discuss it with those other editors on the article's talk page, and try to reach consensus. If you are collectively unable to reach consensus, then WP:DR tells you further next steps.

Appealing on a general-purpose noticeboard like this serves no useful purpose. ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Status

Hello, good day! I created an account on the English Wikipedia 22 days ago, mainly to fight against vandalism, I am an active participant! Can you give me the status of "Rollbackers"? Thanks! (I love yourwiki (talk) 12:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC))

@I love yourwiki: To request the rollbacker permission, go to Wikipedia:RFRB and click on "add request" below the "Rollback" heading. Note that "a month of experience patrolling Special:RecentChanges" is required. Deor (talk) 12:58, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Okey (I love yourwiki (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC))

Neutral Draft for “Dharmnandan Live Puff House” Blocked by Filter — Help Needed

Hi, I’m trying to submit a revised draft for ‘Dharmnandan Live Puff House’ with reliable sources (News18, Zomato) and neutral tone. The filter keeps blocking me. Could someone review or help me bypass this? Parasvs (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Parasvs The edit filter is working properly: you made promotional edits. Carefully read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. qcne (talk) 14:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Question

Hi,

Would whether or not to put a comma after a short introductory (time) phrase be considered a Wikipedia 'style'—and therefore fall under the Wikipedia MoS? Sean the Moray (talk) 13:14, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sean the Moray I would probably not use a comma there, but context is everything. Can you please quote the complete sentence? Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:55, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

So, for example:

”In the 1700s, the castle fell into disrepair.”

I was just wondering, as I had a few of my edits reverted for including a comma in an introductory time phrase. The article I was editing already had commas after introductory time phrases so I thought I’d add a comma for consistency within the article? Sean the Moray (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sean the Moray IMO that comma isn't necessary, especially in such a brief sentence. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Not even if every other introductory time phrase in the article used a comma? To maintain consistency? Sean the Moray (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sean the Moray: If I remember correctly, you would use a comma. "In the 1700s" is an introductory phrase, so you use a comma for it, even though it's a simple sentence. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 18:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

File upload wizard change

Did they just change some of the fields in the file-upload wizard? I was just trying to upload a non-free file for a book cover and it appears different fields are present and it is confusing me. Iljhgtn (talk) 15:08, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

If you mean the wizard on Wikimedia Commons, then for some value of "just": yes. It was changed a few months ago. You can ask for help at c:Com:Help desk. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

How to recover a deleted draft?

I made a draft a while back about the Five Night's at Freddys child actor Piper Rubio. Assuming she continues to progress in her acting career, she will surely become notable enough for an article in a year or two. She's already appearing in the FNAF sequel movie later this year.

Anyways a user made it into a mainspace article a little while ago, even though it was not ready at all and had been a failed AFC submission multiple times. That user seems to have since been banned and the draft for Piper Rubio was also deleted.

Any way I could recover the draft? Either in the draft space or somewhere else, such as in a user sandbox page?

Thanks in advance for a response to anyone who responds! Greshthegreat (talk) 17:57, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Greshthegreat.

Articles called "Piper Rubio" have been deleted four times. The most recent one, in January 25, was deleted by @Jimfbleak as Unambiguous advertising or promotion. The previous occasion was in 2023, and the conclusion was WP:TOOSOON; so it's possible that there are now adequate sources.

But given the reason for the most recent deletion, I doubt whether Jimfbleak would undelete it for you - you would need to start again with reliable sources - but you can ask him.

I've pinged Jimfbleak here, so he should see this message. ColinFine (talk) 18:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I have often wondered why editors who are trying to rework a deleted draft want to have the deleted draft refunded, rather than starting from what you know about the person or company. (The drafts are usually biographies or occasionally about companies.) Starting with a version of the article that was deleted is not a good start because it is likely to result in carrying over the same defects as the original had. Versions of articles that were speedily deleted as promotion, G11, are almost never undeleted. You would be more likely to be able to get a copy of the version that was deleted as too soon, but I would suggest starting from what you know. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

User:Greshthegreat - I see that you have created a draft, Draft:Piper Rubio. I have not reviewed it and am not ready to comment on it, but I encourage you to try to improve it. You don't need any of the deleted articles to work on your draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Robert, that draft is, as far as I can tell, identical to the deleted one. According to the deleted history, a sockpuppet of a banned user created the draft and then moved it to article space, and then Greshthegreat moved it back to draft space, after which the draft was WP:G5 speedy-deleted due to who created it. ~Anachronist (talk) 09:05, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Greshthegreat, you say "she will surely become notable enough for an article in a year or two". So, wait until then before you start work on an article. It will me much easier once the necessary sources exist. Maproom (talk) 07:02, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Greshthegreat: the draft is worthless, nothing that establishes notability and the supposed refs were IMDB and Wikipedia, neither of which is remotely acceptable. Nor, for that matter, is her own Instagram, which you have used in your draft. How is that an independent, reputable third-party source? ColinFine, thanks for ping Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Newspaper Reference, Mass Text Transformation to Links

hi everyone!! i'm trying to figure out how to create a reference for a newspaper, and searching for newspaper references has understandably not been very productive. specifically, there is a news source TenAsia that is a subsidiary of The Korea Economic Daily. i can find other reputable newspapers such as The Chosun Ilbo where TenAsia specifically is cited as a source, and TenAsia itself is on the Korea Economic Daily's website. would those be enough? if not, what should i be looking for?

and whatever the method is, if it is eventually successful, TenAsia is mentioned on over a thousand pages right now. would there any way to automatically have that updated across wikipedia to link to the new reference? or would it be a matter of editing it in page by page?

thanks! Kinerd518 (talk) 19:16, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Can you be more clear about the precise change(s) you are seeking to make? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:34, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Determining the neutrality of an article

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Gibson (author) (article was deleted)

Hello everyone

I was wondering how the neutrality of an article ist determined. On a delete discussion I brought up a Delete-recommendation since I considerd the article not neutral, as some other editors also have pointed out on the talk page. I got an answer from a very experienced user stating that:

"And there has been no decision anywhere about NPOV in the article" and

"That is not the way Wikipedia works. Opinions of random editors aren't proof of anything"

Frankly I was a bit shocked about the comment, that opinions of "random editors" can aparently simply be dismissed. Is this true? Also I was left wondering, how the decision is taken that an article is not neutral? What is the process here? I'd be glad if someone could show me what I missed. Thanks!

Azrl26 (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Azrl26, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First, I'll say that articles are not generally deleted just for being non-neutral, except perhaps if the consensus is that the article is so fundamentally flawed that it would need to be started again from the beginning.

Secondly, in a sense, everything is "opinions of random editors". But decisions are made by

consensus, which is a way of making sure that opinions of different editors are balanced. If one editor thinks something is not appropriate (for whatever reason), they can either edit it, or start a discussion. If others agree, then perhaps it will be changed in line with their opinion; if nobody else agrees, it won't. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @ColinFine

I see, "TNT" :D . So what if no consensus is reached? I had the impression when an editor with a certain level of experience disagrees with a change to his edit he reverts and says no consensus has been reached, but when I claim his edit to be based on wrong facts he can simply keep the edit as is without consensus? If a few editors (of unknown experience) claim lack of neutrality on the discussion page, their opinions "aren't proof of anything" and apparently no consensus has been reached either. Seems very unfair to me. Azrl26 (talk) 04:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Generally experienced editors are more aware of Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, and write things in articles that are backed up by sources. "Neutrality" in this case isn't governed by editor opinion, but by the consensus found in reliable sources. Newer editors are more likely to view an article as "biased" because it disagrees with their worldview and therefore cannot be "neutral". Articles about contentious topics are prone to this. The bias in articles reflects the bias in reliable sources, and this is intentional. We don't do WP:FALSEBALANCE here. Equal weight isn't given to minority viewpoints. ~Anachronist (talk) 09:13, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello Anachronist and thanks for the reply.

I understand that, some editors are more reliable than others and that the viewpoints of sources do not need to be neutral. In this concrete case the issue was, that one side was not explained at all, which some editors thought was (clearly?!) unfair, but for some experienced editors it was completely okay, since it was just an article about a particular fringe theory anyway. Allright I think I see how authority is distributed and has to be earned first. Thank you both for your time and explanations! Azrl26 (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

The last version before deletion said "He is the author of Early Islamic Qiblas: A survey of mosques built between 1AH/622 C.E. and 263 AH/876 C.E, which advances the claim that early mosques were oriented towards Petra, rather than towards Mecca or Jerusalem as traditionally accepted by archaeologists and historians of Islam. His books are self-published, some through CanBooks and others through Independent Scholars Press, an imprint of CanBooks.

The Petra Thesis

According to Gibson, the orientation of mosques built in the early Islamic period does not fit the contemporary direction of prayer in Islam, the Qibla. Historians like David A. King dispute this, saying that astronomical and other factors determined the Qibla in this period. According to Gibson, 17 early mosques point towards the site of Petra which he claims to be intentional. Gibson says that the origin of Islam must have been in Petra, rather than Mecca." Doug Weller talk 14:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I'll add the Azri26 has done little editing outside of Gibson, pretty much a single purpose account. See also User talk:Dangibson9#Making the article about you neutral and fair. Doug Weller talk 14:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Nobody said "opinions of 'random editors' can ... simply be dismissed". You even quote what you were—quite rightly—told (by User:Doug Weller, whom you have not notified of this discussion, despite quoting him here), which is that "Opinions of random editors aren't proof of anything". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Edit Disallowed

I am trying to publish updated information on my company's page but keep getting this error message:

Your edit has triggered an automated filter and has been disallowed. It looks like you're trying to add an email address to this page. Doing that, especially with a personal email address, is usually a bad idea as it can attract large amounts of spam. Though there are a few legitimate reasons to include an email address, in most cases Wikipedia will remove email addresses that are added to articles or discussion pages.

I have not included any email addresses or information about email within the article. There are two outside links--the company website and a news article that is cited.

What do I do???? LikewiseOfficial (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

You were trying to add, "Pix is accessible throughout the Likewise platform as well as directly via SMS text message (text <>) or email <email>". You should probably read and comprehend WP:COI before anything else. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 20:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

As well as WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 21:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

review

Hi, I’ve written a draft article in English about the French drummer Raphael Pannier, and would appreciate a copy-edit or general review before moving it to mainspace.

Here is the draft: fr:Utilisateur:Jazzlover123/Brouillon

Thanks a lot in advance for any help or feedback! Jazzlover123 (talk) 21:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! You seem to have posted this draft on the French version of Wikipedia; you will want to post it here through our Articles for Creation process which I have linked for you. If you have any issues with uploading it there, just let me know! Best, CoconutOctopus talk 21:16, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

There's also a draft article already at Draft:Raphael Pannier. Jazzlover123, I'd suggest you continue your work on that version instead, and submit it for review when it's ready. --rchard2scout (talk) 21:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

About "Henry Attwell"

 Courtesy link: Draft:Henry Attwell

I like to get Professor Henry Attwell BIO on Wikipedia - and my first draft was rejected. Who would help me and educate me on how to get this Professor on here?

He was private Tudor for Prince Willem Of Orange (1840 -1879), he is registered in the Vatican as a writer/translator and Teacher. He got knighted with the order of the Oak Crown by King Willem III ( I have his original document )

He has 14 Books on https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/1951006. Henry_Attwell

His daughter got married to the son of Prof. Lionel Smith Beale

I also find this: d:Q65644473

And also in the netherlands where he was a professor at the university of Leiden: https://hoogleraren.universiteitleiden.nl/s/hoogleraren/item/12

Here is my first attempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3AHenry_Attwell&oldid=prev&diff=1299872939

in bookstore: https://www.waterstones.com/author/henry-attwell/2122624

Let me know...

Thanks in advance JoanShumei (talk) 21:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hiya, and welcome to Wikipedia! Your draft has no sources. As stated in the decline notice, everything stated must be backed up by WP:Reliable sources. GoldRomean (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @JoanShumei, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several cited reliable independent sources say about the subject, and little else. Writing one starts with finding the sources, and then proceeds to summarise what they say, citing them as appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

JoanShumei, you give the reader no good reason not to suspect that the whole draft is a hoax. For a start towards dispelling that impression, where exactly did "Dutch Sport Historicist Jan Luitzen" publish his writing about Atwell? Add this information, in a proper reference. (Also, I suspect that the photograph is not really your own work.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Find articles that have recently had a specific word added?

I understand that the search function allows me to find all articles containing a word and sort them by creation date or last edited date. However, this isn't what I'm looking for, as it includes articles that already had that word before being edited. I only want to identify articles where a specific word has been newly added. Is there any way to do this? Frap (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Rewritting articles in userspace

Hello Teahouse! I am interested in rewriting an article (Affine variety) on my userspace since I want to be able to take my time with my edits while not disrupting the current article as I make my edits. I'm not quite sure what the procedures are on doing rewrites of articles in userspace, so I'd like to know where I can go to look into that. I have seen information on drafts, but that's more so for new articles, whereas this article is pre-existing and I just want a separate place to work on my edits before merging into the article. I presume that making separate rewrites would be as simple as making a subpage under my userspace where I can make my rewrites, but I'm not sure if I need to make any templates or notes on that subpage to indicate its sole purpose is for rewriting. All help, advice, and tips on this would be appreciated! Gramix13 (talk) 22:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

I think everything you've said is totally fine, the most I would probably worried about is attribution for copyright reasons (WP:Copying within Wikipedia) but since it'll just be you copying your own work around it should be okay (someone correct me if I'm wrong). GoldRomean (talk) 00:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

My experience is that that should be all right unless you and another editor are quarreling about the article. A few months ago, I saw a similar case where an editor was trying to rewrite an article in draft space, and they and another editor were quarreling, and the other editor nominated the draft for deletion at MFD as a content fork. I will check what the resolution of that was. I voted to Keep at MFD. That was an ugly situation, and I don't think it applies to your situation. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Kindly requesting help reviewing a new biography draft

Request for help reviewing draft biography

Hello, and thank you in advance for your time.

I’ve recently submitted a draft titled Draft:Yousseif Abdellatif4, which is a biographical article about an Egyptian political writer and former local council member. The draft has been written carefully to follow Wikipedia’s standards regarding neutral point of view, reliable sourcing, and notability (WP:GNG and WP:BIO).

All statements are backed by independent and verifiable sources, including multiple published articles in reliable news platforms.

I’m kindly asking if an experienced editor could review the draft or provide guidance. If any issues remain that prevent it from being accepted, I would highly appreciate feedback or suggestions to improve it.

Here is the link: Draft:Yousseif Abdellatif4

Thanks again for your support and time! 156.209.52.181 (talk) 00:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi IP. An experienced editor, Tenshi Hinanawi, has reviewed your draft and provided guidance, stating an issue that prevents it from being accepted - AI (which I suspect has been used on this message as well). You shouldn't use AI on Wikipedia for any reason, and I suggest re-writing the draft in your own words. Best, GoldRomean (talk) 00:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Request for Tenth (?) Opinion at DRN

The Teahouse is intended to be a friendly forum for inexperienced editors to get advice from experienced editors. I have also found it to be a reasonable place for experienced editors to get advice about giving advice to inexperienced editors. So I am asking here a question that I didn't get an answer to at the Village Pump. I am not asking for opinions on whether the lab leak theory article is neutral, which is a contentious topic, but I would like advice on whether I gave the right advice to an editor who wants to put a neutrality tag on the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Moved from WP:VPM

I would like a neutral experienced editor to look at a case at DRN and comment on whether they agree with my handling, and whether they have any advice either for me or for the filing editor. The dispute is Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#COVID-19_Lab_Leak_Theory. I see two-and-one-half questions, one substantive question and two related procedural questions. The substantive question is whether the article's presentation of the lab leak theory is neutrally written to reflect what reliable sources have written. The procedural questions are how Just-a-can-of-beans should try to discuss their concern that they want changes made to the article, and what advice a neutral mediator should give to Just-a-can-of-beans. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Godzilla the Series

Why was the monsters list removed remember each monster from each episode? Why was it removed I don’t see it Lordofcallofduty (talk) 03:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Lordofcallofduty, whichever article it is that you're asking about, it has a history and a talk page. If the history doesn't tell you, then ask on the talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 03:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Request for a small automation task

The redirect Entertainment complex was once pointed to Family entertainment center before getting deleted because of XfD outcome. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 15#Entertainment complex.

While I don't like the outcome itself I think it's kinda weird to have red link on articles which once have this link as a blue link so I restored it as a disambiguation page. My intent was less of having the disambiguation page remain in place of the redirect but more so that someone would come to fix the now disambiguated links on to point them to the correct pages.

Is there any automation tools to simplify the procedure? 🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 03:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Update: the disambiguation page got deleted while I was typing the above message. 🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 03:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

{{tag}} inside {{font color}}

I'm curious why {{font color|red|{{tag|ref|close}}}} displays as </ref> and not as expected (</ref>). Thanks for any insight. 176.108.139.1 (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Secondary question: Is an update in the documentation for either of these templates needed to explain this behaviour? 176.108.139.1 (talk) 04:13, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Draftspace problem

The system of moving things into draftspace works fairly well when the article has some obvious problem. It does not work well when the article is serious and requires subject matter knowledge. Draft:Caribbean timeline for the seventeenth century was moved into draftspace apparently because it looks odd. The problem is that each island has its own history and the only way I could find to index everything was with a timeline. Could someone who knows about the Caribbean check this and suggest what should be done with it? Benjamin Trovato (talk) 04:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Benjamin Trovato, that draft certainly has problems. I started reading it, and saw "1608: Tuscany sends expedition to Guyana". I thought "that's interesting, I had never considered Tuscany as a colonial nation". So I wanted to read more about this expedition. But there's no link or reference. Then I realised that nothing in the timeline is referenced. I also saw "1620: Massachusetts by Puritans". Massachusetts is not in the Caribbean. Maproom (talk) 07:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Astrology article

Can anyone explain to me why my article about Astrology is offensive. Williamerdmannsys327680 (talk) 07:56, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Your article isn't offensive, but it doesn't fit with the purpose of what Wikipedia is. See these articles: Wikipedia:Five pillars and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Stockhausenfan (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

It was titled "ASTROLOGY A PERSONAL APPROACH" (yes, all capitals). This is an encyclopedia, not a collection of personal approaches. And it already has articles about astrology. -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Specifically, Wikipedia isn't your personal web host. If you aren't here to build an encyclopedia based on human knowledge that has been published in verifiable sources deemed reliable with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, then you need to find some other venue. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Adding a link to a WikiProject Archive page on a Talk page

Hi, I want to add a comment on the Talk page of WikiProject Rivers, referencing content found on an old archive page in that WikiProject. What's the format I should use to include a link to that content? The content I'd like to reference / link to is an entry on Archive 2 of that particular WikiProject. Thanks Exceat (talk) 11:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

You can just use a normal wikilink, like this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Archive 2. If you want to link a particular section, add that section's heading after a number sign #. For example: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Archive 2#Names for Lists of rivers. Does that answer your question? -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 11:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Swedish Division 7 colour

Hi!

Does anyone know which colour belongs to the Swedish ninth football tier in the "Season to season" table. I am trying to add divisional info about Smögens IF, which briefly played in the Swedish ninth tier. Finding the standardised eigth tier colour was hard enough, but ninth is almost impossible. If anyone knows which colour is used, please let me know!

(On a side note, perhaps this article isn't a stub anymore, thanks to the edits I've made...) Rockfighterz M (talk) 13:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

You'd do better to ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Sweden task force. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:24, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Question about Article Categories and Redirects

I have another question about advice that I am giving to inexperienced editors at DRN. The dispute turns out to be about assigning article categories to redirects. There was a List of Playstation 5 games, and the filing editor created redirects to the list for all of the game titles that were in the list but did not have their own articles. I think that was correct, a case where the redirects are useful. They then placed those redirects in Category:PlayStation 5-only games. Another editor disagrees, and my view is that the redirects should not be in a category for articles. I advised the editor either to remove the article categories from the redirects and put them in redirect categories via templates, such as {{R from list topic}}, or to ask me to ask other experienced editors for advice. So I am being asked to research this question, which is

So: Did I give correct advice to the editor, or should I revise my advice because I was mistaken and redirects can be in article categories? Robert McClenon (talk) 14:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

This and your previous question seem more suited to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) than The Teahouse. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)