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Request to add the field DEMONYM

Can we add the field DEMONYM, so we can add eg Sydneysider for Sydney, Melbournian for Melbourne. Glenn.mar.oz (talk) 14:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I really don't think that's a good idea. We have 16,000+ articles using this infobox and probably only a very small mumber have demonyms. Also, infoboxes tend to contain "fast facts", information that usually isn't in dispute (and often is not cited because generally it's easy to confirm most of it, e.g. postcodes). In article bodies, demonyms are often disputed. They usually don't have reliable citations (often just a citation to a single use of that particular denomym, not that it's in widespread use), people claim they have lived in that place all their lives and the demonym is SuchAndSuch, other people insist they've lived there for years and never heard the term SuchAndSuch, and its people are always known as Something Else, some of demonyms are fairly offensive and perhaps more likely to be used about the place by outsiders than by locals, etc. For example, I am from Brisbane and my family has been there since the 1860s and I've never heard the term "Brisbanite" in common use, but it's there in the Brisbane article with a citation that uses the term (but makes no claim that's in wider use). I would actually have said I have heard the term "Briswegian" more (but that's an ironic term that I think was popularised by the Cane Toad Times, a local short-lived satirical newspaper, and probably not what anyone would consider a reliable source). Managing demonyms in the article body can be hard enough for these reasons, but at least you have the space to provide more information, alternatives, citations, etc. The same goes for the close friend of the demonym, the place nickname, e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/brisbane/comments/97pdoo/unkind_suburb_nicknames_anthology/?rdt=63667 (not of course a reliable source!). Kerry (talk) 22:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

"T:IAP" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect T:IAP has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 9 § T:IAP until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Template protection edit request

I am requesting an adding of a second region to the inbox. I suggest it should be called local region. For example, the more broader region of North Sydney Council is the Sydney Metropolitan Area, but the local region is the (Lower) North Shore. Is it possible someone could add this? And what do you think about this idea? Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:37, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on NSW geography but in QLD the use of the single region field is already a mess. Is Mackay in North Queensland or Central Queensland? Etc. Regions aren't agreed upon. Most QLD Govt departments divide the state into regions that suit their administrative purposes but these are not consistent across departments. Then we have terms like Gold Cost and Sunshine Coast which are names of local government areas with well-defined boundaries but people want to use them as "region names" for places not actually in those LGAs (a lot of northern NSW seems to want to be in the Gold Coast). Then we get tourism marketing slogan region names like "Beef Capital of Australia", "Never Never Land" etc. And the real estate marketing names like Centenary Suburbs, Upper North Shore, etc. Infoboxes are for facts and even our current use of regions don't appear to be based on "facts" (in the sense of being clearly decidable and verifiable). So, I am reluctant to see another layer of random region naming introduced Australian wide. If anything, I'd drop the existing region for states that don't have an ambiguous definition of regions. I note the NSW Geographic Names website does not use regions at all. Nor does the QLD Place Name database. Not sure about other states. Kerry (talk) 08:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Well in Sydney, there are places widely regarded as regions like "North Shore" "Inner West" "Eastern Suburbs" "Sutherland Shire (Or simply "the Shire") "Northern Beaches" for example Servite et contribuere (talk) 13:18, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

"widely regarded"? Is that some new kind of citation template? {{widely regarded|bywhom=my mates at the pub}}. Seriously, in terms of the examples mentioned, Sutherland Shire is an LGA and doesn't need to go in the "region" field as it can go in the "lga" field. Northern Beaches also appears to be a local government area. But take a look at Eastern Suburbs (Sydney) and the problem becomes apparent very quickly. After you read that article, what suburbs exactly are or aren't in the Eastern Suburbs "region"? That article rambles along saying ... "informally" ... "are often limited" ... "in the more expansive sense" ... "sometimes defined as" ... "are sometimes included" ... and unsurprisingly that text has no citations. As Help:Infobox tells us, infoboxes are for facts and ones that are cited in the article. Now, to be fair, we don't usually cite everything in an infobox in the article body (e.g. postcodes, timezones etc, aren't usually controversial and can be cited if they are questioned), but given the lack of clear definition of terms like these regions, the use of regions in this infobox is always likely to be controversial on a case-by-case basis. When something isn't a clear-cut fact, it's better dealt with in the article body with citations as required. Kerry (talk) 02:06, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. The Northern Beaches Council was actually formed in 2016, due to a merger between the Manly, Warringah and Pittwater Councils. The region Northern Beaches was actually the namesake of the new council. The same thing with the Inner West, although it was a merger of Marrickville, Leichhardt and Ashfield. What I meant for the new regions template is to list Ku-ring-gai Council as part of the North Shore. I actually agree with you on the Sutherland Shire. What I meant was, listing suburbs like Bondi, Vaucluse, Double Bay, Point Piper, Randwick, Coogee as part of the Eastern Suburbs Region. That’s what I have at the moment. Let’s keep negotiating Servite et contribuere (talk) 18:39, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § OpenStreetMap Issue in Wikipedia Article

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § OpenStreetMap Issue in Wikipedia Article. --Ahecht (TALK
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