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Cjbaiget

Cjbaiget partially blocked from New chronology (Fomenko) as a disruptive single-purpose account. Access to talk:New chronology (Fomenko) is not blocked at this time, as comments indicate that at least some additions have the potential to be turned into usable content albeit perhaps with better sourcing. Non-AE action, not logged. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Cjbaiget

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Ymblanter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:10, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Cjbaiget (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

12 March 2020 Example of an incorrect statement at the talk page of the article, see below
13 March 2020 After being shown that the above statement is incorrect based on a RS, stated that the source is wrong, see below.
18 September 2020 Addition of doubtful material based on a blog
18 September 2020 Restoration of the above material

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

16 September 2020 partial block from Talk:New chronology (Fomenko) for personal attacks in the course of discussion of New Chronology

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts): Ds alert

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Cjbaiget is a user with less than 100 edits at the time of filing this request. All these edits are related to New chronology (Fomenko), which is a fringe pseudoscientific theory. All their edits try to promote the theory, to show that its adepts have academic credentials, and its critics were cited incorrectly and in fact did not claim what the article states they did, or at least that the New chronology is not universally rejected by the academic community, but only by some scholars (this is a very indicative edit). They started by posting wall of texts at the talk page; currently the whole talk page is filled by these walls of texts. Where other users could check them, these walls of texts contained incorrect statements, for example this edit said they believe that Fomenko never claimed that Rome was founded in 1380. In 15 minutes, I was able to provide a reliable secondary source saying Fomenko claimed this [2]. Then they said they believe [3] that the date was taken by the source from Wikipedia. Most of the walls of text remain unanswered, because other users can not be expected to read all of them. Tho days ago, the user was partially blocked by Doug Weller from the talk page for (I believe) this personal attack. Having bludgeoned the talk page, they started to bludgeon the article. When today they added a material added on a blog [4] "to put contrast to some wikipedist's opinion based on a 13 year old publication", I removed the addition citing WP:RS. After they have readded it [5] I felt we need a break from this user, hence we are here.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:10, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [6]

Discussion concerning Cjbaiget

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Statement by Cjbaiget

Hello all, please excuse my brevity.

I am not directed at promoting Fomenko in any way. This wikipedia article is just the first place I came to learn about it in the first place, about three years ago.

Anyway, and having great interest in the application of Astronomy, Computing, and Mathematics to chronological questions, and after having read almost the whole opus, I became aware of several, blatant mistakes that this article contains from the point of view of these sciences, which I am able to discuss in the talk page, a thing that I tried with my best dedication, but failed to open any rational scientific debate.

As contender says, I have very few contributions, but more in the talk page than in the article, whose structure I have never tried to change.

Beign so few, my only defence are my contributions to both article and talk page, which I beg to be read an placed to scientific and objective examination.

I have been sanctioned two times: the first as a newcomer, I committed the blunder of naming another editor as responsible for deep errors that I understood as lies. The second, yesterday, after a veiled, non-offensive response to a demonstration of contempt to a length and elaborated explanation I tried to make in the talk page to another editor. Please check also.

I'm available at any time to answer about any and every of my conscious words placed in this encyclopedia, on which I log on with my real initials and surname. Cjbaiget (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

About 'incorrect' statement about Rome foundation please understand that both dates can be taken as correct: As Rome (according Fomenko) was founded in 1380, on a *previously existing city*, which of course, had a previous date. Which date refers to "foundation of the city of Rome?", to resolve ambiguity will be necessary a longer explanation which was not going to be welcome in any way. (This same remark was made in the talk page then, but ignored.)

Regarding first concern made by Doug Weller about "the sauce issue": When I reduced Sheikos' claim to singular, I had previously *checked* than he was the only author in his source. When I allowed plural to Martin, I had previously *checked* that he represented the view of two other "dendro-dissidents", as is quite obvious from his article.

Regarding first concern made by Eggishorn: Please don't attribute your perception of my actions to my own *already stated* motivation, clearly expressed in the edit summary: Relevant opinion from an *actual active scientist and archeologist* about the reliability of current dendrochronology, to put contrast to some wikipedist's opinion based on a 13 year old publication on the paragraph above, for which I have tried an amend accordingly.

Btw, Mr Eggishorn has accused me in another thread of "intellectual dishonesty". I have never been accused of any kind of dishonesty by a pseudonym, so I'm not going to answer there. I feel that it IS intellectual dishonesty to grab some cryptic recommendation about valid sources to actually propose from a pseudonym the CENSORSHIP of relevant information to the reader.

About my role in Wikipedia I'm forced to explain that: Negative feelings about my contributions can be traced back to *my very first non anonymous edit* "First Edit".. , which I had to make after having "*anonymously tried*". "not Spain, but Greece". to finally reflect the *previously unknown HISTORICAL FACT to editors* that war *was in Greece, not in Spain* , and that *I had to explain that thoroughly*, so them can be called later "walls of text" *to editor Doug_Weller in the talk page*: ""Simple Explanation"". . and later *this FACT was forced by evidence* to make its path into the article, being my edit immediately obfuscated by him, but retaining the core word: Greece instead of *WRONG* Spain. Talk page testifies also the fact that, after this fact was explained, Doug Weller suggested it could make sense to omit it from the article.

Bwt, what is the difference between a "text wall" and a fruitful scientific debate? Just that the former has remained ignored by some irresponsible editor.

This error had been present for more than 8 years in the article, and several 'serious critiques' outside wikipedia have replicated it. Is only thanks to yours truly, accussed of being some kind of "Fomenko Pusher" now at the stake, that this is not the case anymore. Wikipedia has a responsibility. All errors residing in this article *have been already documented outside wikipedia*, but I was not going to betray this project I still believe by not trying to raise awareness of them at the same time.

This is just the tip of the Iceberg. This article is unmaintained and tries too hard to explain *a parody* of an actual serious research, which can be true or false, but doesn't compare in anyway with what the article draws. I want to insist that, *this is not a controversy regarding historical matters*, but *a controversy regarding scientific matters*. This article needs urgent scientific supervision. My points are already explained in the talk page. This article contradicts several *scientific critiques of topic "New_Chronology:Fomenko"*. I'm not even interested in editing the article, something that I'm trying to do from a sense of scientific duty.

Having said that, I've to call the attention again to *urgent mature scientific supervision* to force *another systematically rejected edition of mine* which irremediably will have to be made in the end, the sooner the better *for Wikipedia*: ""Robert Newton had NOT explained"". Cjbaiget (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Testamentary reflections on Salvio's resolution:

1. My *very first contribution* is a counterexample to both accusations made to me: First perceived as tendentious, heavily opposed, then accepted as fact, after a now considered "NOTHERE" explanation on the talk page. Result: Wikipedia can correctly inform now to the world, after at least 8 years, the fact that war was in Greece, not in Spain. Contributions should be checked against facts prior them being accused of tendentious, to avoid themselves being tendentious.

2. How many savage indefinite blocks after NOTHERE considerations come after more than a year of supposed misbehaving? After admin Doug Weller knowing I was a newcomer from the beginning, why I didn't receive almost a warning when I was at time to avoid it? Isn't this part of his duties?. NOTHERE accusations come from the fact that contributions remained ignored, not for being irrelevant or abusive. Lack of previous warning is just symptom of me having swallowed a hooked bait.

3. Insistence of accusing me of tendentious edition should give a detailed list of those tagged as that (or perhaps a shortest list of those no tagged as that), so I can use them in the future to appeal the resolution of this trial. Also, as I only have 100 of contributions, list length is exactly the percentage of such editions, which is also informative to this end.

Cjbaiget (talk) 10:49, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Doug Weller

My issue with this edit[7] is not that it is a blog (by an expert however), but that it is written in a way that appears to support Fomenko, or at least a missing 200 years which is, according to the source, used by amateurs to prove that the Roman Empire fell 200 years later than is claimed by mainstream historians and archaeologists. In fact the article specifically states "A common idea about why this should be so is that the Church of Rome added a couple of centuries to its age to gain legitimacy: in other words, a conspiracy of early historians." And "a conspiracy of early historians" links to our article on the Phantom time hypothesis, not a million miles from Fomenko's arguments.

Also, he wrote :"Nowithstanding this, some relevant figures from both the professional and academic archeological circles like Swedish archeology professor from University of Łódź, Martin Rundkvist, claim that "professional dendrochronology is still almost entirely a black-box in-house endeavour, that is, it is still not a great science".^[1]" Note the use of the plural in the same edit, "some relevant figures from both the professional and academic circles..." But then Cjbaiget's next edit has the edit summary "Source has a single author and doesn't claim to represent any syndicate of critics, nor has the credentials to do so. Erroneous and misleading use of the plural form amended." It's hard not to immediately wonder why the sauce for the goose isn't good for the gander. Doug Weller talk 18:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Dendro Dissidents" [1]

Statement by Eggishorn

Coming here due to discussion at Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#New_chronology_(Fomenko) and repeating some of what I said there. The Rundkvist quote was presented dishonestly in that Cjbaiget is using a only part of it to say something that is almost the exact opposite of what the original author meant. The full quote from that blog post is: Professional dendrochronology is still almost entirely a black-box in-house endeavour, that is, it is still not great science. Field archaeologists: when you saw your wood samples for dendro, get two samples and send one to the amateur community! They practice open data sharing." The "black box" Sundkvist objects to isn't scientific quality but data sharing. The rest of the blog post makes this difference even clearer: I mentioned published dendro curves. The rub here is that most dendro data are never published. They are kept as in-house secrets in dendro labs in order for these to be able to sell their services to archaeologists. So when the amateurs challenge the professionals’ opinion, all the latter can reply is “We know we’re right but we can’t show you how we know”. And that is of course an unscientific approach to the issue.. Cjbaiget used this source to support the idea that an expert in the field is saying dendrochronology is "not science". The very next sentence in the original quoted statement makes it clear that the expert is saying the exact opposite thing. There is no conceivable way that this truncation was accidental -- it was a specific decision of Cjbaiget. This use of a source to say something other than what the source actually says is a violation of, among other things, the WP:NPOV and WP:OR policies. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Cjbaiget

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I have to say I'm not sure AE was necessary here... In my opinion, what I'm seeing (basically, tendentious editing) is enough to justify a standard indefinite block per NOTHERE without the need for discretionary sanctions. $Salvio$ 08:40, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Salvio. This looks like a bog standard POV-pushing WP:SPA. Block, or partial block, and move on. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shenqijing

Shenqijing has been indefinitely blocked for clearly not being here to build an encyclopedia by Guerillero, as a standard administrative action. — Newslinger talk 15:27, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Shenqijing

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Girth Summit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Shenqijing (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Acupuncture#Standard_discretionary_sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

22 September 2020 Attempt to remove mention of pseudoscience from lead
22 September 2020 First revert to push through removal
22 September 2020 Second revert to push through removal
22 September 2020 Addition of unsourced OR / POV editorialising
22 September 2020 Third revert to reinsert OR/ / POV editorialising
22 September 2020 Fourth revert to reinsert a link (this is quite minor, but still a technical breech of 3RR)
22 September 2020 Indication that they have 'other editors coming to look at the page', suggestive of off-wiki canvassing.
23 September 2020 Moving conflict to another article with the addition of the same unsourced POV editorialising.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

26June 2020 Partial block by RexxS from Brumby for edit warring.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Previously advised of DS sanctions in this area 22 September 2020 by Girth Summit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Worth also looking at the discussion on my talk page, and at Talk:Traditional Chinese medicine. GirthSummit _(blether) 05:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the edit warring against two other editors has started up again today at Traditional Chinese medicine. I believe this user is attempting to understand our processes, but their long, repetitive and difficult-to-parse talk page contributions (I suspect a language barrier), their apparent inability/reluctance to respond meaningfully to other people's talk page comments, their kneejerk willingness to revert, and what I suspect is a strong POV, mean that they should not be editing in this area. I would favour a topic ban from TCM (or perhaps alt med in general), and if they learn how to edit constructively elsewhere this could be appealed in six months. GirthSummit _(blether) 12:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Newslinger - in case you are waiting for a response to your question (which echoes one I asked them several times), please note that Shenqijing has been blocked 72 hours for further edit warring at Traditional Chinese medicine - I think they'd reached 5RR today by the time they were blocked. They did however provide an answer to the question on my talk page in this diff, I interpret as saying that they only meant that they hoped to get other editors' interest by posting on the talk page, not by off-wiki canvassing. My position outlined above remains unchanged. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Shenqijing

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Statement by Shenqijing

Hello, I am trying to get a impartial opinion and seeing how to get someone with experience to come and mediate this page, before I do this I am looking at Wikipedia process to make sure that it is within the guidelines. I feel that there is a narrative on this page that needs to be balanced that is all. At no stage have I deleted the inclusion of the statement from Nature Magazine only included it's subject and why it was added to the Global Diagnostic Compendium,(ICD) by the World Health Organisation, please see this reference, https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06782-7 Here is the citation from the document, "WHO has been avidly supporting traditional medicines, above all TCM, as a step towards its long-term goal of universal health care. According to the agency, traditional treatments are less costly and more accessible than Western medicine in some countries" and here is my eddits including the original Wikipedia article text, "TCM Recently has been added by the World Health Organisation to the global diagnostic compendium making this medicine more accessible and affordable to many people in need of alternative health care around the world. On the same token, it has been described as "fraught with pseudoscience", and the majority of its treatments as having no logical mechanism of action.[2] by many occidental eurocentric thinking medical practitioners and supporters". As you can see that the only thing that I am guilty of is pointing out how the article had three links to Pseudoscience enforcing a unbalanced narrative 2. requesting that the Critique section be moved to a more appropriate position rather than being in pole position in reference. 3, also adding a link for Chinese food therapy that was counted as a revert, 4 recording major edditing on the talk page, sumerising the article that I have supplied a link to, 4, telling the truth and being told that I have a extreme view and what I had to say was not well written, If you look at the history of the page one revert is actually the addition of the link to the Chinese food therapy wiki page. There was also another editor coming on to the page and rivirting the page without talking on the page. Have a look at the Talk on the page. . I would like to say that it is not hard in this case to look biased in this case and that I am not, as to bring Ballance back to this article I need to lean heavily to the opposite side to straighten it up to make it True. Amituofo🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Statement by Alexbrn

Noticed this editor at Functional medicine pushing for inclusion of TCM material (huh?).

The filing shows a strong pattern of disruptive editing which appears not to be abating. So yes, a WP:NOTHERE block ~~or maybe a TBAN from TCM if it's thought they might be productive in other areas?~~ Alexbrn (talk) 05:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC); Amended 12:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC) after experiencing a bit more of this editor: I think there's no hope.[reply]

Statement by Cullen328

The POV pushing in the 4th diff is so blatant and extreme that it calls the editor's acceptance of the neutral point of view into question. This was not a one time slip as the POV pushing continued. Editors who will not or cannot accept our core content policies must be restricted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Guy Macon

Shenqijing (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), says this on his user page:[8] "Buddhist Monk,Dharma Teacher, Hong Kong trained and Qualified, TCM and Acupuncture Practioner[sic] and Health provider. Western Medicaly[sic] Qualification. Quantum, Mechanical and Field phisics[sic]. Teacher and Educator". There is no evidence that he has an actual medical training or a degree in physics. It appears that he thinks that whatever training he received in order to practice traditional Chinese medicine counts as being an actual doctor and physicist.

Shenqijing has been furiously working to push pseudoscience, edit warring when anyone oppses him. A few examples::

In [9] he removed the sourced statement "The existence of qi as a measurable form of energy as discussed in traditional Chinese medicine has no basis in the scientific understanding of physics, medicine, biology or human physiology." from Chinese martial arts.
In [10], he removed the sourced "It has been described as "fraught with pseudoscience", and the majority of its treatments as having no logical mechanism of action"
In [11] he changed "...has been described as "fraught with pseudoscience", and the majority of its treatments as having no logical mechanism of action." to "has been described as "fraught with pseudoscience", and the majority of its treatments as having no logical mechanism of action by many Occidental Eurocentric thinking medical practitioners and supporters. by many Occidental Eurocentric thinking medical practitioners and supporters."

(He edit warred over ever one of the above changes)

But what most strikes me is that, no matter how many people disagree with him, he pretty much picks an argument with each one of them, both on the artifice talk page and on their user talk pages.[12][13][14][15] At no time does he actually address the objections the other editor have. The WP:IDHT is strong in this one.

In my opinion, Shenqijing will never be able to edit collaboratively. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." ― Upton Sinclair

--Guy Macon (talk) 22:33, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Shenqijing

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Shenqijing, could you please clarify what you mean by "we have more eddtitors comming to have a look at this page" in Special:Diff/979815273? Who are these editors, how are you related to them, and how do you know that they are coming "to have a look at this page"? — Newslinger talk 08:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Shenqijing responded on my talk page in Special:Diff/980049379:

The statement was about trying to get another editor to look at the page as I felt that it was unbalanced, I was just looking at arbitration and luckily it was done by the other party involved so we can make sense of what is happening on page.. I have added two other topics on talk including a similar page on Ayurvedic as this is a similar natuural Medical page, and a link to another Nature Magazine article that on the topic of TCM being added to the Global Diagnostic Compendium,(ICD) by the World Health Organisation including their reasons. if you have time can you swing by and have a look please, that would be great. Shenqijing (talk) 09:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Regardless, Shenqijing's edit warring and removal of reliably sourced information leads me to support the proposed indefinite block. Shenqijing is able to apply for an unblock in 6 months if they can show a much improved understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. — Newslinger talk 15:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The socking, partial block from Brumby, and now this leas me to believe that we really need a WP:NOTHERE block --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 17:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The user has been blocked for 72h for edit-warring today diff, and I think we should cloed this discussion with an indefinite block.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SPECIFICO

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Request concerning SPECIFICO

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Thucydides411 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 09:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: SPECIFICO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBAPDS

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

08:55, 24 September 2020 Jack Upland removed longstanding material.
17:04, 24 September 2020 I challenged this edit through reversion.
17:34, 24 September 2020 SPECIFICO reinstated the challenged edit without first gaining consensus.
19:16, 24 September 2020 I notified SPECIFICO of the violation of the "consensus required" restrictions, and requested that SPECIFICO self-revert.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

22 April 2017 AP2 enforcement: You are restricted to only using WP:AE or an uninvolved administrator's talk page to request discretionary sanctions be levied against another editor.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Brought a complaint at WP:AE for WP:ARBAPDS on 8 September 2020: [16]
Given a logged warning in WP:ARBAPDS subject area as a result of this WP:AE request in April 2020: [17].

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This is a straightforward violation of the following DS restriction, which is listed at the top of Talk:Julian Assange: Consensus required: All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion). This includes making edits similar to the ones that have been challenged. If in doubt, don't make the edit.

I informed SPECIFICO on their talk page that their revert was a violation of this restriction, and gave them the opportunity to self-revert: [18]. SPECIFICO ignored my warning, and has continued to edit Wikipedia since (e.g., [19]). SPECIFICO has not attempted to gain consensus for the edit they reinstated, and indeed has not even taken part in the discussion on the talk page about the material in question: [20]. It was simply a drive-by revert.

Finally, I'd like to bring attention to SPECIFICO's edit summary, which is concerning for a BLP: Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant ([21]).

@Dennis Brown: SPECIFICO did not cite any of the reasons you're giving. SPECIFICO's reason (given only in the edit summary, because SPECIFICO did not take part in any discussions) was that this is supposedly Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant. That in itself reflects a significant level of hostility towards the subject of the BLP, which is inappropriate for an editor to express in the first place. As I pointed out on the talk page, there is very good sourcing for Assange making the claim in question, and indeed for it being central to his response to the accusations in Sweden: [22]. This report is about a completely straightforward violation of DS, for which the offending editor was given plenty of grace time to either undo their edit or to explain their reasoning on the talk page. They did neither. -Thucydides411 (talk) 18:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: The section, "Result concerning SPECIFICO" is for uninvolved administrators. You and I have a history of conflicts in several different subject areas, as you recently acknowledged on your talk page ([23]). In our last content dispute, a few weeks ago, you said to me, It's hard to tell what came first, your arrogance or your POV. ([24]) From WP:INVOLVED, Involvement is generally construed very broadly by the community, to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors), and disputes on topics, regardless of the nature, age, or outcome of the dispute. Your comments belong in the section, "Statement by Drmies".

About BLP, you've got things exactly the wrong way around. Removing Assange's response to the accusations in Sweden was a serious BLP problem. Anyone who has vaguely followed the news about Assange over the years is familiar with the fact that Assange claimed the Swedish arrest warrant was a pretext to get him to a country from which he could be more easily extradited to the US. That was a major part of his legal battle against extradition to Sweden. After Jack Upland removed the "pretext" sentence, Burrobert pointed out that the body of the article included very similar claims by Assange, and provided three additional sources backing up the "pretext" statement: [25]. When Jack Upland pointed out that the two sources at the end of the removed sentence did not mention Assange's "pretext" statements, I provided four reliable sources that do so: [26]. SPECIFICO was not involved in any of these discussions, and their only statement on the matter - their edit summary - stated an entirely different reason for removing the material. Given that SPECIFICO's edit summary was actually vaguely insulting to the subject of the BLP (Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant: [27]), it's quite a reach to present SPECIFICO as the one abiding by WP:BLP here. -Thucydides411 (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Kite: SPECIFICO did not claim that the statement was unsourced. Their only comment was the following edit summary: Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant ([28]). -Thucydides411 (talk) 20:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@PackMecEng and Awilley: I agree. The BLP comments are predicated on the supposition that SPECIFICO reverted due to poor sourcing, when SPECIFICO claimed no such thing. I don't think that Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant is the kind of edit summary that an editor worried about WP:BLP would leave. -Thucydides411 (talk) 21:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion concerning SPECIFICO

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Statement by SPECIFICO

Statement by Burrobert

I can confirm Thucydides recollection of the events. The text that was removed did not at the time appear in the body in that exact form. However, something similar was there and could have been used to modify the lead appropriately. The removal of the text distorted the narrative of events. When I later pointed out this distortion to Jack Upland he amended the lead to attempt to fill the gap that was created. I also found the editor's edit summary to be unnecessarily aggressive. Burrobert (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Mandruss

Whether SPECIFICO is right or wrong on the BLP question, the edit summary Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant represents a blatant failure to leave personal POV out of it, and I think we should be particularly strict about that in DS areas. I am not surprised to see that from SPECIFICO, regrettably. These things should not be binary debates about whose behavior was worse – yes, it's really ok to sanction both editors in a dispute if both have earned sanctions – and being right on BLP, even if SPECIFICO was, should not earn forgiveness for being so wrong on a different fundamental editing principle. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by uninvolved Mr rnddude

Not that it matters, but the edit summary ... represents a blatant failure to leave personal POV out of it, and I think we should be particularly strict about that in DS areas is dead-on. Mr rnddude (talk) 15:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Kolya Butternut

Thucydides411 provided a link[29] on the talk page to a Nytimes article with this quote:

Mr. Assange and his supporters have long maintained that the accusations were attempts to discredit him and said that the efforts to extradite him to Sweden were a pretext to send him to the United States.[30] Kolya Butternut (talk) 18:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by PackMecEng

I have to say I agree with Awilley here. I am not seeing a BLP violation. When the source says A warrant for his arrest is still in place in the UK. Mr Assange fears that if he goes to Sweden, he will be sent to the US to answer charges of espionage relating to Wikileaks' publication of secret US documents. I think that could reasonably support and said they were a pretext for him to be extradited from Sweden to the United States because of his role in publishing secret American documents. CRYBLP does not help there. PackMecEng (talk) 19:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Levivich

The edit summary Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant is a personal attack against Assange and thus a BLP violation. The mainspace edit said they were a pretext for him to be extradited from Sweden to the United States because of his role in publishing secret American documents is not a BLP violation because it's true, not controversial, and widely reported (that is, the fact that he said it is true, not controversial, and widely reported; not the truth of his underlying accusation), it's something Assange has repeatedly said publicly, and it takes seconds to verify. If that statement appears unsourced, it's a de minimis BLP violation. But the edit summary is not, it's a personal attack against a BLP subject. And it's quite ironic to leave a BLP vio edit summary in an edit claiming to be enforcing BLP. I'm sure Mr. Assange would be super happy about Specifico's edit because it protected him as a BLP subject, right? Le v!v ich 05:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning SPECIFICO

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As for the part removed in this BLP, the citation doesn't support the claim made. No where in that article was it claimed that Assange was claiming the charges were a pretext, or similar. It might be considered exempt under WP:BLP. Probably not good form for SPECIFICO to do it without further explanation, but in the end, WP:BLP trumps DS, so I don't see a sanction as justified. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 17:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with Dennis here. The talk page discussion is enlightening, and suggests that this issue is over and done with, handled in the usual manner of talk page discussion and article improvement. This is mustard after the meal, as the Dutch might say. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Thucydides411, I don't really understand what you are trying to do here. Yes, you can argue that Specifico (never understood why it's in all-caps--must be a K-pop thing) committed a DS violation, but what I see is Jack Upland noting that there is a seriously unverified piece of material in a BLP at 8:55, and they explain that on the talk page at 9:04, and you revert that at 17:04. In other words, you restore unverified material in a BLP without a valid edit summary ("it has been in there" is not a good reason) and without giving a reason on the talk page other than "it was widely reported"--which doesn't address the fact that it was unverified. So I really don't think you want to push this point, because you are essentially reporting yourself for a BLP violation. Just saying. Drmies (talk) 22:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- As for the "vaguely insulting" edit summary, I wouldn't call that a BLP violation: if the statement isn't in those references that were there at the time, Specifico can hardly be said to have claimed that Assange promoted a conspiracy theory; it is more likely to apply that comment to the editor who reinserted it (which, by the way, can in that sense claimed to be insulting, but that's another matter). And saying that Specifico should have commented on the process on the talk page is a bit disingenuous since they removed an improperly verified statement, and it's not up to them to improve the article to make the claim stick. But if I am to be disregarded as involved, there isn't much point in me continuing to argue the point, which I think was already made well enough by Dennis Brown, and I'll gladly bow out. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am with Dennis and Drmies here. This edit by Thucydides411 is not supported by either of the sources (the BBC source merely says "Mr Assange fears that if he goes to Sweden, he will be sent to the US to answer charges of espionage" and the Guardian source doesn't mention the USA at all). Therefore, Thucydides411 should not have restored it at all, and whilst Specifico's revert was technically a violation of the DS, no admin is ever going to agree to a sanction for reverting an edit that introduced unsourced claims into a BLP. Black Kite (talk) 15:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)I personally don't see the WP:BLP issue that Dennis sees. The bit about Assange claiming the charges were a pretext for extradition were at least partially supported in the cited BBC source (see the sentence beginning "Mr Assange fears that if he goes to Sweden, he will be sent to the US to answer charges of espionage"). Also, it's not particularly contentious, doesn't reflect negatively on Asssange, and is easily verified in other sources (example: WaPo). In any case, someone claiming a BLP exemption to a revert rule is supposed to mention the exemption in the edit summary.
As for the violation of the DS rule, this is about as clear-cut as it gets. I'm surprised SPECIFICO didn't self-revert when asked. They're usually more communicative than this. That said, I'll avoid weighing in on whether/how this should be enforced, as my long opposition to this particular DS restriction is common knowledge. I'll ping User:JzG to see if he's interested in enforcing the restriction he placed. ~Awilley (talk) 16:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe Specifico did claim a BLP exemption, they merely claimed (correctly) that it was not properly sourced. I would expect that if you're going to make a blanket revert on a BLP that you should at least ensure that the sources are good enough - the Guardian one is completely irrelevant. Incidentally, it took me around 15 seconds to find a BBC source that actually backs up the claim made ([31]). If Thucydides411 had restored the text with a source like that, then this would be clear-cut. Black Kite (talk) 18:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Awilley and others that this was not a BLP violation and, as such, Specifico's edit was not exempted from the restriction. And even if it was, reverting with the edit summary Typical nonsense conspiracy theory pandering to his fans and the ignorant would still be problematic. As far as I'm concerned, Specifico's edit did in fact violate the restriction; that said, I'm not going to block him, because I see that some of my colleagues in this section disagree. $Salvio$ 07:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum

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Request concerning Solavirum

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: GevHev4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Solavirum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WIKIPEDIA:ARBAA2 :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

27 September 2020 Backing a possible sockpuppet in an edit warring [32]
28 September 2020 harmful edit warring
23 September 2020 another harmful edit warring after he was asked to explain their edit at talk
28 September 2020 another unexplained revert
27 September 2020 another unexplained revert
17 September 2020 uses Khankendi nationalist site as a source
23 September 2020 uncivil remarks
23 September 2020 disruptive claims explaining their reverts

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

20:52, 20 July 2020 Partial block from 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani skirmishes

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User Solavirum persistently changes information using nationalist and dubious sources, with tendentious justification of their edit warring in edit summaries or without any explanations. This user has been repeatedly warned about this behavior but continues edit warrings, responds in uncivil manner to an opinion they didn't like and repeatedly made significant POV changes against consensus.

I am bringing this here, instead of ANI, as I don't think the user is NOTHERE, but the user is certainly not being constructive in the area of politics.

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