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Consulate General of Peru, Nagoya

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Embassies are not inherently notable, consulates even less so. Sources 2-8 merely confirm who the consul was. Lacking SIGCOV about this actual consulate to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I just got a notification, I've no issue one way or the other, but instead of deletion I would hope that a redirect to the embassy's page would be better. A bit unrelated but I also wanted to know whether the idea of merging ambassadorial lists to their respective embassy articles is better than a standalone article for the former, not only for this particular case or country in general but for a number of them as I notice that a number are outdated and both article types could very well be improved that way and make for easier reading. I'd be happy to take care of both aspects. AlejandroFC (talk) 01:07, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Joseph McGuire

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None of the listed sources are GNG-level, and I'm unable to find secondary-source coverage of the subject. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No sourcing found for a diplomat/foreign service person, many hits on a gang in the UK [1] that wore Beatle wigs to defraud people. I don't see notability for this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 19:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am not seeing enough articles to establish notability.Goodboyjj (talk) 01:31, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pope Benedict XV and Russia

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This article would be better off as simply a subheading of the Diplomatic agenda section of the main article, but merging it does not seem viable because it is simply not up to encyclopedic standards. The talk page reveals possible copyvio issues as well. It appears to be substantially the same as it was in 2009.

If this article is not to be deleted/merged, it would need to be completely rewritten by someone with subject expertise or at least competence. M.A.Spinn (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bilateral relations and Christianity. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:15, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT and WP:V. As written, we can't verify anything. Was this written by a chat bot? It's too much of an essay, and the citation format is unique at best. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or not opposed to draftify to improve the citations issue not being readily verifiable.Lorraine Crane (talk) 17:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is a problem with sourcing. There is a lot of synthesis even though the topic is knowledgeable but not encyclopaedic enough. I cannot think about TNT, because this topic does not need an article in the first place. Segaton (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nimal Bandara (Diplomat)

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Ambassadors are not automatically notable, just because of their appointment. Fails WP:ANYBIO, requires significant coverage not press releases about them presenting their credentials. Dan arndt (talk) 11:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No significant coverage by secondary sources to justify WP:GNG, mostly passing mention about his post. Obi2canibe (talk) 12:56, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks significant coverage by secondary sources fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We've been on a year, deleting articles about diplomats, but in this case, there's unique and reliably sourced material about Sri Lankans in Israel, which would be a better place. Can we move this material? Bearian (talk) 01:52, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Israel–Sri Lanka relations as ATD. Don't see any material worth preserving. Longhornsg (talk) 07:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Israel–Sri Lanka relations as ATD. If for anything being an author could have assisted Bandara in passing the GNG, yet do I not see yet that this is actually the case. gidonb (talk) 23:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – I believe the article on Nimal Bandara meets Wikipedia's notability requirements under both WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. The article has recently been improved and now contains multiple independent, reliable sources with significant coverage of his diplomatic work and authorship.

Author Notability (WP:AUTHOR):
Bandara is a published author of several books across historical and youth genres:
- Mahanuwara Rajyathanthrika Sambandatha (2024), a 494-page academic work on the diplomatic history of the Kingdom of Kandy (1582–1815). Covered in detail by The Island: https://island.lk/ambassador-nimal-bandara-to-launch-book-on-kandys-diplomatic-history
- Other titles include: Rangiri Arana, Galge Kanda, Samuduru Mekala, and Nomakena Afrikanu Mathakayan, published by Sooriya Publishers and featured in eLanka and Sri Lankan literary circles.
This establishes independent coverage and enduring contributions to literature — satisfying WP:AUTHOR.

Diplomatic Notability (WP:GNG / WP:BIO):
Bandara is not merely a routine appointee; he has received sustained, non-trivial media coverage for his crisis leadership and policy engagement as Ambassador to Israel:
- The Jerusalem Post reported on his involvement in organizing labor efforts during the Israel–Gaza conflict: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-778363
- News 1st and Hiru News covered his safety advisories and evacuation coordination for Sri Lankans amid missile attacks and unrest in Gaza:
  - https://english.newsfirst.lk/2024/04/20/70-sri-lankans-in-israel-working-safely-from-home
  - https://www.newsfirst.lk/2024/08/23/over-11-000-sri-lankans-in-israel-advised-to-stay-safe
  - https://www.hirunews.lk/english/377841
- Daily Mirror reported on domestic political praise for his ambassadorial conduct: https://www.dailymirror.lk/breaking-news/SL-Ambassador-to-Israel-doing-a-good-job-SJB/108-269309
These demonstrate coverage beyond routine diplomatic announcements, highlighting both his public visibility and national impact.

Conclusion:

Between the independent coverage of his authorship and the significant media attention to his actions as ambassador, Nimal Bandara meets Wikipedia’s notability thresholds. This article should be retained and improved, not deleted. 103.48.209.4 (talk) 00:49, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources added since this article's AfD nomination provide independent, significant coverage of this person. Government sources are not independent, while the news reports are just parroting his safety advice for Sri Lankans in Israel. Of the other three source's you've linked here, two are not sigcov either: [2] is a bunch of quotes from one guy and [3] is just a short event announcement, not an actual book review. The Jerusalem Post article [4] is the only GNG-level source here. Toadspike [Talk] 17:33, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Angeline Kavindu Musili

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Generally along the lines of WP:Articles for deletion/Margaret M. Otteskov - consensus appears to be that ambassadors are not inherently notable. As for WP:GNG - Most of the sourcing is either non-independent or just mentions subject (i.e. does not cover her in any depth). There are 3 sources that don't appear to mention her at all. I have decent access to Scandinavian papers and speak Swedish so I also looked for any possible WP:SIGCOV there and was not able to find anything besides one mention. The Kenyan award she received, Burning Spear, does not appear to be exceptionally prestigious (she received the third class variety of the second tier order overall, alongside almost 200 ppl) so I'm doubtful if it could confer inherent notability on its own. Zzz plant (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

comment The consensus has agreed, I understand, that ambassadors are not inherently notable. This is despite Wikidata's consensus that Ambassador is not someone's job, but it is an award. Noting that other people are being mentioned in the rationale above. I note that we have over 100,000 people on Wikipedia who are notable because they were chosen by a town somewhere to kick a ball on their behalf. If they go on to represent their country then they become extra notable...(alongside well over 20,000 others - not 200) as long as they keep kicking a ball then they may be made ambassadors for the UN, leading charities or companies. I feel that the basis of this argument is that "ambassadors are not notable" - which is an idea that has never been proposed or agreed. This person has two national awards - the burning spear and being recognised as a representative of her country by her country and several others. You may not think that the American ambassador to Malawi is not notable - but it makes no sense to ignore the award and recognition that was given to that person when they were appointed. Ambassadors in Malawi are not only appointed by the President but they are grilled by a parliamentary committee to check that they are a notable candidate for the award of this position. Victuallers (talk) 07:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - maybe there's been a misunderstanding, my argument wasn't that "ambassadors are not notable", it was that - based on my current understanding - they don't have presumed or inherent notability, which is why I searched for SIGCOV, attempted to evaluate the burning spear award. and looked into the possibility of a national biography entry. Zzz plant (talk) 11:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I live in the U.S. so my access to information about African diplomats to European countries may be limited compared to, say, people who live geographically closer. Ergo, it interests me greatly to read a Wikipedia biography about an ambassador from Kenya to Finland, Latvia, etc. Notwithstanding the remarks made about quantity and quality of sources found, IMHO, it would be a pity to delete the article and lose the historical facts regarding diplomacy. (I came here because of the deletion notice at Women, but my comment stands regardless of the subject's gender.) --Rosiestep (talk) 13:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment My point was that at one point being an ambassador was considered notable, now (I'm told) its not. So it was notable, and its not now. Are we now to discount an ambassadorship completely? That would appear to take a binary approach to a notability decision that this very process shows is loaded with opinion. Surely we should not be looking not for a new argument, but a small piece of evidence to add to the substantial piece of evidence of a national award (ie being made an ambassador). It seems to me that evidence that was once thought to be totally persuasive is now being discounted completely (mistakenly IMO) as no longer relevant. There are several independent sources that record that she has the award of being an ambassador. It is being argued below that "it is not because of the sources in the article." But, there are still several independent sources if we consider ones that support the award of ambassadorship and the other national award. Victuallers (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: for sources about her you can check the government website + plus the sources in the article that should be enough for notability FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - the link is published by the Embassy of the Republic of Kenya in Stockholm; that's the organization she represents ( bio is under 'about us'), so it is not an independent source. Zzz plant (talk) 00:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Citing WP:PRIMARY: Primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Unless you think the Republic of Kenya in Stockholm is not reputable.

The other thing, primary source can be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts. Which this website does. FuzzyMagma (talk) 15:19, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That has nothing to do with this discussion. You can't use primary sources to show notability. SportingFlyer T·C 15:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If she is notable, it is not because of the sources in the article - she was one of many award recipients and a BEFORE search brings up little beyond the fact she's an ambassador. It's possible I'm missing something but it doesn't look like there's SIGCOV of her specifically here. SportingFlyer T·C 06:16, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: First, for those unfamiliar with AFD, please do not only present an argument but your outcome preference in BOLD, your choices are Keep, Delete, Draftify, Redirect or Merge. It really helps a closer as does indicating what policy or guideline supports your argument so it is not just based in your opinion. This usually involves an evaluation of sources in the article or ones you have located. As for ambassadors, I know we delete a lot of their articles, mostly through PRODs but also through the AFD process. Most of the time, the discussions do not get this level of attention.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:I am moved by the veteran editors arguments here. The nominator should put the geographic context of this woman's achievements in context. It is a considerable accomplishment. Removing this article would continue towards greater unconscious bias on the encyclopedia. Nayyn (talk) 07:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I agree with both above. In geographic context this is a notable achievement. WP:GNG applies.BabbaQ (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - WP:GNG refers to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject; maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how that applies here, based on the references in article:

[2] and [10] do not mention her at all

[1], [4], [5], [6], and [9] are from her current or former workplaces (embassy website or the associated government)

[7] subject’s name is included in a very long list

[8] subject is mentioned (once in text, once in photo caption) as having been one of multiple speakers on a panel

[3] provides two sentences in total about her and her goals

Even if we accept that 2 sentences is sigcov, we would still be missing another source. Zzz plant (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1959 Dwight D. Eisenhower visit to Spain

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The entire article was created in a single edit by User:Hectordej7544 ... and it is a fishy article. No in-line citations; only two sources. And both sources are very broad, generic sources (not specific to the 1959 visit). Another editor tagged the article as "AI-generated".

The WP:Verifiability is paramount, and articles need footnotes and citations to provide confidence. In addition, the editor that creates the articles should have READ the sources before creating the article.

I cannot verify if any of the information is valid, and I am challenging the content and the Notability. Noleander (talk) 22:32, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This visit was apparently a big deal in Eisenhower's presidency. I added a couple of external links that might help. The Remarks Upon Arrival at Torrejon Air Force Base, Madrid is provided via The American Presidency Project at UC Santa Barbara. — Maile (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC) — Maile (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete/draftify Not adequately sourced to establish notability; his brief remarks are just a primary source. Presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower#Europe seems to be a better place for a few sentences here rather than a standalone article. Reywas92^Talk 04:06, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Reywas92. No NEVENT. No evidence of WP:LASTING effect. FOARP (talk)|
Redirect to Foreign policy of the Dwight D. Eisenhower administration#International trips. Fails WP:NEVENT. There are many other short state visits listed here and it isn't clear why this specific visit would be more noteworthy. MidnightMayhem 14:21, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This one was the first to Francoist Spain, and was a significant diplomatic win for Franco. There's plenty of coverage today about the significance of this particular visit. MarioGom (talk) 17:47, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: as a recent creation without inline citations, this should have been draftified. MarioGom (talk) 17:33, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That being said, if this boils down to notability: this topic does pass GNG and NEVENT, easily and by any metric. Just an example: [5]. MarioGom (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How does it pass WP:LASTING? How does it pass WP:NOTNEWS? FOARP (talk) 09:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources to back my claims:

"El día que Eisenhower, el «artífice de la paz», visitó a Franco". ABC (in Spanish). 9 February 2010.

Martín Alarcón, Julio (8 July 2016). "Bienvenido, Mister Eisenhower: el protocolo de las banalidades". El Mundo (in Spanish).

Palacios, Jesús (5 October 2021). "Eisenhower, el mayor éxito internacional de Franco". La Razón (in Spanish).

"Eisenhower, o el triunfo internacional del régimen franquista". La Razón (in Spanish). 21 December 2021.

"La visita de Eisenhower a Franco: así legitimó EEUU a la dictadura como aliado contra el comunismo". La Sexta (in Spanish). 20 May 2022.

These are all between 51 and 63 years after the event. So definitely not breaking news, passes the 10 years test, and WP:SUSTAINED. This is all enough to pass WP:GNG. WP:NOTNEWS just does not apply to something that had retrospective coverage 50 years after the fact. WP:LASTING is not even required for an event to be notable (it's a proxy to assess recent events), but anyway, sources deem this visit to be a pivotal moment in Francoist Spain international image, since the Government was pretty much isolated until that era. MarioGom (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify, this is a notable topic but this article was clearly generated using LLMs and Artificial intelligence tools. Sources are potentially just AI making it up, at best there would be a passing mention of the event in those books. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 01:31, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you check any? MarioGom (talk) 13:38, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is a somewhat important event from a public image standpoint for the Francoist dictatorship. Current content is verified by reliable sources which actually suggest a lasting commentary on the short trip.--Asqueladd (talk) 08:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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