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The result was delete. Owen× ☎ 20:38, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Climate change in North Rhine-Westphalia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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New editor has created a number of pages called "Climate change in X region/country" and they are very similar. While the title seems a fitting topic for an article the content is mostly WP:OR and WP:CRYSTALBALL e.g. Ticks and mosquitoes and will become more commons(sic)
. Thought I would wait for consensus on whether this is a delete or improve before nominating the rest. Orange sticker (talk) 19:25, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
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- On it being original research, the vast majority of the writing I wrote is cited with WP:SECONDARY sources. So it is not original research.
- As for it having a lot of "crystal ball" content, the vast majority of the content I wrote is about the relevant state/province/region/community's '''current''' government policy. Some of the content I wrote relates to the regional effects of climate change in a specific area, but it has citations to relevant sources. But you cannot meaningfully separate these things. The time horizon for the effects of climate change are very long. [1] Climate change in North Rhine-Westphalia is relatively unusual compared to Climate change in Bremen. I accept that this could be improved.
- Current government policy on this topic relates to building sea defences, building more parks and other infrastructure, because of the effects of climate change in the future, the time at which such infrastructure would be completed. The time horizons on infrastructure are very long. There are other pages solely on future infrastructure. For example, Lower Thames Crossing. When writing content for Climate change in Schleswig-Holstein, there is more content about adaptation strategies. I accept that this could be improved.
- Overall, I think deletion is just the wrong outcome. Landpin (talk) 21:25, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- I 100% apologise for writing a typo. Landpin (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all These climate change articles are quite poor and should not be created with such rudimentary and nonspecific information just for the sake of it. Perhaps redirect to Climate change in Germany. Reywas92Talk 23:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- which ones should be deleted? Landpin (talk) 03:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Every "Climate change in" article you made for German states should be merged/redirected to the national article. Reywas92Talk 13:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- which ones should be deleted? Landpin (talk) 03:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting as I believe User:Landpin's comment is an unbolded Keep. I'm not sure what "Delete ALL" refers to.
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- Delete per WP:MILL, WP:NOPAGE, etc. The article content is very pedestrian and there is nothing here to justify a separate page. The Legislation subsection can be selectively merged to Climate change in Germany. Astaire (talk) 02:07, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, and I recommend a bundled AfD for the others. The issue here is of unique content: the material which is directly about climate change is not specific to North Rhine-Westphalia, whereas the content that is unique is policy-related. One could reasonably make an argument for the existence of Environmental policy in North Rhine-Westphalia, but even that might not be viable given the role of the German federal government in determining environmental policy. Other relevant policy here is WP:SYNTH and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE; Wikipedia should not be hosting a page that is nothing more than a bulleted list of climate-related policies without framing offered by a secondary source. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:56, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Editors interested in a possible Merge can discuss this prospect on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 04:19, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Revista Brasileira de Química (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV and has not citations in the article. Only mentions are in bibliographic databases. In the context of academic journals, this was apparently published in a time period between 1930 and 1980 as a local (country-specific) journal of chemistry though it has been difficult to pin down exact dates. Searching in CAS (chemical abstract service) SciFinder for the journal results in only 86 articles catalogued, and most of those seem to be reviews of general chemistry topics for the Brazilian audience (e.g. Armentano, M.A. Origin and development of cosmetic science and technology (1979), 87(527), 143-8). No external coverage that I can find beyond database listings in WorldCat and CAS. A few libraries may still have hard copies per WorldCat for those that can + want to look deeper via interlibrary loan to see if scientific contributions were significant. My prod was removed with the comment that this was an important scientific journal mid-century, but sourcing is still needed to back the notability claim. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Withdrawn by nominator Based on sources that Headbomb has provided and the edits planned by BaduFerreira, I agree that merging pages about the various successive journals together or to their parent society pages is a better course of action. Not closing yet to avoid cutting off discussion. Willing to help locate articles from these journals (ping me).Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 03:35, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- This was an important journal of chemistry in the mid 1990s. I'm 95% sure this is the precursor journal to Química Nova (established in 1978, followed the demise of this journal) and should be merged there (or perhaps at Revista da Sociedade Brasileira de Química), but I don't speak Portugese and there's potential for confusion with other similarly named journals, from two different organization named Sociedade Brasileira de Química. This might offer insight. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:45, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- If you want a source that talks about the journal, this one does to a fair extent, though it covers the history of the first Sociedade Brasileira de Química, in Rio, not the second in Sao Paolo. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Edit, that might be about the other journal... It's so frustrating not to be able to speak portugese here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge Revista Brasileira de Química into Revista da Sociedade Brasileira de Química.
- Very fascinating article! Thank you for finding it. On PDF page 3 (article page 447), it says that the first edition of the journal published by the Brazilian Chemical Society (SBQ) (more info on this later) in 1929 was titled the Revista Brasileira de Chimica, but the second edition published in 1931 was titled the Revista da Sociedade Brasileira de Chimica. The title changed again in 1933 to spell Chimica (chemistry) as Química, which is the modern-day spelling, due to orthographic changes in the Portuguese language. That means that the two articles (Revista Brasileira de Química and Revista da Sociedade Brasileira de Química) are about the same journal, so I think a merge is the proper course of action. The source describes other Brazilian chemistry societies, such as the Associação Química do Brasil (Chemistry Association of Brazil) that occasionally butted heads with the SBQ, the Associação Brasileira de Química (Brazilian Association of Chemistry), and then a new Sociedade Brasileira de Química that was founded in 1977 after the creation of the Brazilian Association of Chemistry. The source specifically mentions that the two instances of the Sociedade Brasileira de Química are distinct and separate organizations. We could probably use this article to flesh out the Brazilian Chemical Society article. I'll try to make some improvements to these articles in the next day or so! BaduFerreira (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Edit, that might be about the other journal... It's so frustrating not to be able to speak portugese here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:06, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 14:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- P-6 (mountain lion) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication why this would be a notable animal. There doesn't seem to be an article about the group it belongs to, so I see no good redirect target either. Fram (talk) 10:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: appears to be just a named animal, sourced mostly to the National Park Service in the USA. Dying isn't enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Neutral: I understand the position that not all animals tracked in this study are notable, and I would say this one is a borderline case. The main notability involves the inbreeding with her father, which was reported on by several notable sources and is directly responsible for construction of the Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing, something I probably should have included in the article from the beginning.
- I don't plan on making pages for every animal in the study, only the notable ones. If P-6 is to be on the non-notable side of the notable/non-notable dividing line, I will adjust my page-making decisions for this topic going forward. Additionally, if P-6 is to be considered not-notable, then P-2 should probably be considered not notable as well. However, I would strongly object to P-1, P-12, and P-64 being considered not notable. Gb321 (talk) 15:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge I think Mountain lions in the Santa Monica Mountains or similar could be an appropriate way to cover not only the at least six mountain lions that have articles but also others that have been tracked and received coverage but don't have enough content for an article. Reywas92Talk 17:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- this is a good idea. I'll work on it. Gb321 (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- If you can provide more reliable sourcing, that would be a good option to !deletion Oaktree b (talk) 18:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- see: Mountain_lions_in_the_Santa_Monica_Mountains Gb321 (talk) 19:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete for failing GNG. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Unfortunately not a biography showing significance in the cultural world. I'd make a good-faith suggestion about a mountain lion fan wiki. Geschichte (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Mountain lions in the Santa Monica Mountains. Liz Read! Talk! 23:41, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- P-12 (mountain lion) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't seem to be a notable animal, just one of a group which gets closely followed, but not independently notable. We don't seem to have an article about the group, which might be the better solution than articles for all individuals in the group. Fram (talk) 08:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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- I understand the position that not all animals tracked in this study are notable, but P-12 definitely is. Multiple articles from reliable sources establish its notability, and there are lots more articles that the ones that are cited. P-12 was literally credited with a genetic rescue by the National Park Service. That seems very notable to me (the genetic rescue wikipedia page only has three examples in total, I'm about to add this one which would be the fourth Gb321 (talk) 15:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose: meant to put this in my previous response.
- Also, in the nomination for deletion, the nominator notes that it might be better to make an article for the group rather than individual articles. I am all for that, I just don't know what to call it since the study itself doesn't seem to have a name. I was thinking of creating a page titled: Santa Monica Mountains mountain lion study or Mountain lion study in the Santa Monica Mountains but I'm not sure. But even with this page made, I do maintain that some individual animals are deserving of their own page, P-22 obviously is but I think at the very least the following are as well: P-1, P-12, P-64, BB-12, and probably a couple others I haven't got to yet Gb321 (talk) 15:55, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- I understand the position that not all animals tracked in this study are notable, but P-12 definitely is. Multiple articles from reliable sources establish its notability, and there are lots more articles that the ones that are cited. P-12 was literally credited with a genetic rescue by the National Park Service. That seems very notable to me (the genetic rescue wikipedia page only has three examples in total, I'm about to add this one which would be the fourth Gb321 (talk) 15:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge I think Mountain lions in the Santa Monica Mountains or similar could be an appropriate way to cover not only the at least six mountain lions that have articles but also others that have been tracked and received coverage but don't have enough content for an article. Reywas92Talk 17:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge to Mountain lions in the Santa Monica Mountains. Does not have any coverage focusing on him as an individual as opposed to the community. Better covered as part of the population article. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:33, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete for failing GNG. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Chris Macdonald (scientist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SIRS and so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
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Comment: Has anyone seen if he passes one of the criteria for WP:PROF? The Prof Test is an alternative method of showing notability, so please ping me. Bearian (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a young professor who has just gotten an under-40 years old award. The "extensive coverage" of his work is the newspaper reports generated from a single University of Cambridge press release. He appears to have only that single paper in Google scholar, which has mixed him up with a Canadian business professor. It is too soon for him to have an article. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- Do Not Delete:.
- Dr Macdonald has multiple publications: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3880-6563
- His coverage was not the result of a ‘single University press release’ – it was the featured research story on the University homepage – and independently of that, it was covered by BBC, ITV, etc.
- He clearly passes the criteria for WP:PROF (of which you only need to meet one):
1. The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline: His recent article is “in the top 5% of all research outputs scored by Altmetric”.
2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level: His research won the National Innovation Award, the Digital Health Award, and the 40 Under 40 Award.
3. The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association: Dr Macdonald is a Fellow at the University of Cambridge and a Fellow of the Institute of Corporate Responsibility and Sustainability
7. The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity: His research has appeared in over 100 international news outlets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayneDavis07 (talk • contribs)
- JayneDavis07, our criteria can be confusing for a new editor. Most researchers have multiple publications. What matters is not how many they have published but how other researchers have responded to those publications by citing them in their own papers. That is how we determine significant impact. Most awards, and definitely not young investigator awards, are not what we mean by "highly prestigious". Having newspapers cover ones research when publicized by their employer is common and not considered "substantial impact". "Fellow" is a term used in many different ways. In Macdonald's case the first Fellow is one of the terms used by Cambridge for their employees, so does not qualify. The second Fellow is just the name of the level of dues paying member of the ICRS, not an honorary award given for major contributions to a field. Macdonald is a promising researcher, and may well qualify according to WP:NPROF in the future, but not now. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- For the impact of his publications see here. He has only been publishing for a few years. We would need to see over a hundred citations per paper for impact, but he is just starting out so hasn't had time to develop. He does have 14 papers in Google Scholar, but his latest one is linked to another author. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:39, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
Do not delete:
Fellow in the Cambridge system is not merely a term for employees. Fellows are voted in by the Governing body and are special honours for “distinguished, learned, or skilled individuals in academia, medicine, research, and industry.” There are different types of Fellowship at Cambridge (Visiting Fellow, Research Fellow, Fellow Commoner, Bye-Fellow, etc) – Dr Macdonald holds a full unrestricted permanent Fellowship and as a result is a full voting member of the Governing Body of the University – the highest honour.
Under the criteria for WP:PROF, Academics only need to meet one of 8 conditions.
1. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.
With regard to condition 1 – Dr Macdonald won the 40 Under 40 Award in the Science category. The award has two rounds of voting – the first is an expert panel, the second is a public vote – the award programme is at the national level and is for the nation’s most influential and accomplished leaders.
7. The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.
With regard to condition 7 – Dr Macdonald developed and launched a virtual reality public speaking platform to help individuals overcome speech anxiety. He made the platform fully open access, and it is used by people around the world. It is a first-of-its-kind platform – the only to be free and accessible on all platforms and operating systems. Accordingly, it received widespread global media attention - it was covered in over 100 media outlets - including The Times, The Guardian, ITV, BBC, etc, etc. This is outside of a conventional academics remit.
It makes the academic “significant, interesting, or unusual enough to be worthy of notice”.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JayneDavis07 (talk • contribs)
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- Delete I have not been able to find evidence that Chris Macdonald meets the criteria for GNG or NPROF. As noted by StarryGrandma, most of the publicity appears to be based on a press release from cambridge. Public press about a single VR program is not indicative of academic notability.
- Responding specifically to arguments above concerning NPROF:
- 1. AltMetric is not good for determining academic notability as any mention on any site online can improve altmetric. If we're considering notability based on academics, then his work needs to be highly cited by other academics, which it is not.
- 2. The awards he has won do not appear prestigious on a national or international level, names notwithstanding. Think Nobel prize (international) or something like a Priestly medal (national chemistry award in US). I'm not even sure which 40 under 40 list he was included under because there are so many of these lists today and the specific list is mentioned nowhere in his bios. A public vote for an award is also not good criteria for academic notability.
- 3. Elected member/fellow of a society. A fellow at a uni is not the same thing. Reading through the types of fellow at Lucy Cavendish College, it sounds like he is just a professor (not the same thing as Cambridge wide fellowships --- each college has their own processes). Nor is being a "fellow" at a non-profit think tank funded by a bunch of corporations in the name of "responsibility"
- 7. Unlikely over 100 international news outlets covered his virtually reality public speaking VR work independently. This is also definitely WP:TOOSOON as the impact of the work that was released a month ago is not yet known.Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 03:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - based on the above discussion, he lacks significant coverage and fails the PROF test. Bearian (talk) 03:24, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - super promotional -- cannot find anything to support the keep. The 40-under-40 award is from a company whose only purpose is giving 40-under-40 awards...that is not they type that creates credibility. A lot of Cambridge fellows are notable even if their articles don't show it, so I did some look around. I just don't see it in the article or at large. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 09:51, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:PROF and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:27, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Sabeer Bhatia. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nano City (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Proposal in 2006 to build a city in India for nanotechnology work. The project never went anywhere and was formally cancelled in 2010. The only sources are two 2006 news articles about the proposals, and two articles when it was cancelled. It is very hard to justify this page as notable, particularly as there is no evidence that this cancelled proposal had any impact -- fails WP:Notability means impact. Ldm1954 (talk) 23:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Very convincing nominating statement. A brief search for sources turned up this, which confirms that it didn't happen. I don't think there's any coverage from after 2011 (no lasting coverage). Toadspike [Talk] 09:49, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge - Notability means impact is an essay, not a policy. This article meets WP:GNG in that there is significant coverage from reliable sources about the proposal - regardless of whether or not it eventuated. Having said that, I think nothing would be lost if it were merged into Sabeer Bhatia --Spacepine (talk) 12:35, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge into Sabeer Bhatia. That seems like the correct fit for both. — Maile (talk) 00:30, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete If someone wants to mention this on Sabeer Bhatia that's fine. Merging more than a 1-2 sentence mention would seem excessive to me though as there does not appear to be much more than routine news coverage announcing the project and its demise. Tech people/rich people proposing utopias that eventually never happen feels pretty routine these days anyways.Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 01:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge to Sabeer Bhatia. I think a 1-2 sentence mention in that article is appropriate. ApexParagon (talk) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- I am OK with a Merge Ldm1954 (talk) 22:17, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Merge into Sabeer Bhatia.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Owen× ☎ 21:15, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- UCPH Department of Chemistry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 19:49, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
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- I'm leaning towards keep just because this is such an old department and has the start of what looks to be a verifiable history - I just can't find it because I don't know any Danish and have to rely on Google Translate to find anything useful. If no one else can find information about it (the other departments also pretty heavily rely on primary sources, though they are in general better sourced) then it would probably be best to merge to University of Copenhagen Faculty of Science. Reconrabbit 15:01, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
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- It's tricky, but there are indications that there's enough in histories of Hans Christian Ørsted and in the quincentennial history of the University published in 1978 (and apparently held in the Rigsarkivet) to cover the history of the Chemistry institute specifically. It will need to be carefully teased apart from the history of chemistry at the Technical University of Denmark, which also involved Ørsted and some of which is apparently shared. Uncle G (talk) 00:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was no consensus. I see support for a merger, but without consensus against keeping the page, merge is not an alternative to retention. A merge discussion on the article's Talk page may be more productive. Owen× ☎ 23:48, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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Article about arrays of nanoscale glass holes; not to be confused with Nanopipettes or Anodized Aluminum Oxide. Article is based upon a NRL development or patent, and a single NRL science paper where these were used as a template for deposition.[1] While that is an interesting paper, it did not get adopted by the community, having 86 total cites as of March 2025, which is not large for a high-profile journal. No indications of general notability, certainly not compared to nanopipettes and other types of nanoscale piping in microfluidics or similar systems which are different. Hence fails notability criteria for retention.
Article was PROD'd by nominator, with a PROD2 by User:Bieran. Prod was opposed by User:Mark viking who added sources on nanoscale glass pipettes, and argued (see Talk) that the article is about nanoscale channels, which it was not. Note that the sources added are for single pipettes, not arrays. Options are:
- Delete
- Keep
- Redirect to nanopipette, i.e. keeping such pipettes as a topic that is notable, but acknowledging that what is currently here is different, i.e. abandoning the array concept. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:46, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science and Engineering. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:46, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Would think a merge best here. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:38, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect is acceptable to me. Bearian (talk) 20:47, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Has decent number of sources. However it relies too much on primary sources. I have seen worse. Ramos1990 (talk)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 03:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge I contested the PROD and added three secondary sources; the first two sources (sources 4 and 5)[2][3] had material on nanochannel arrays in addition to single nanochannels; search for 'array' in the articles and you will find it. The third (source 6) was purely about single nanochannels. The first two sources seem to have enough array content for notability per WP:GNG and so my first recommendation would be to keep the article. Should other editors disagree on the notability threshold, there is certainly plenty of verifiable material within secondary sources to support a merge into Nanopipette. It's WP policy to try to preserve verifiable material per WP:PRESERVE, so I think a merge would be an acceptable second choice. --
{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk}
17:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I did a quick check of Cambridge University Press and found several sources that deal directly with nanochannel glass materials (NCGM). These include: 1) Photonic Band Structure of Nanochannel Glass Materials (MRS Proceedings, 1996); 2) High-Pass Optical Filters Based on Gold-Coated Nanochannel Glass Materials (MRS Proceedings, 1996); 3) Fabrication of InAs Wires in Nanochannel Glass (MRS Proceedings, 1996). Each article focuses on NCGM as its main subject. This seems enough to pass WP:GNG as a standalone article. HerBauhaus (talk) 13:16, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- My apologies, but MRS Proceedings are extended conference papers which are rarely cited, often not reviewed, they are not standard journal articles. MRS is a good society, but such articles do not come close in reputation to ones in journals such as Acta Metallurgica or Phil Mag as a couple of examples. Plus three articles from ~30 years ago is definitely not WP:Sustained. Ldm1954 (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The MRS Proceedings, published by Cambridge University Press, are WP:RS since both the society and the publisher are well-regarded in the scientific community. These articles undergo editorial and technical peer review ([4], [5]). Each of the 3 cited papers provides independent coverage of nanochannel glass materials as its main subject. That satisfies WP:GNG, which requires only significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Sustained or recent coverage is not required.— Preceding unsigned comment added by HerBauhaus (talk • contribs) 01:06, April 13, 2025 (UTC) HerBauhaus (talk) 04:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- To editor HerBauhaus: I am sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with your argument that 3 citations in extended conference proceedings such as those you quote satisfy WP:GNG. (Few senior academics in MSE include MRS proceedings in their CV, those publications would be ignored by their peers/Deans.) Similarly 3 cites in standard journals are not close to enough. This is even more so when the papers being quoted come from the same authors at NRL of the patent and paper upon which an article is based, so are clearly not independent, secondary sources.Ldm1954 (talk) 07:44, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Approval by senior elitist academics is not required for notability. If there is peer review by a reputable publisher, that is generally enough to consider a publication reliable in terms of the review aspect. Not independent and secondary mean these primary articles by themselves are not enough for notability. Nonetheless, primary publications from 1996, and others in the article, and the two secondary reviews I linked above from 2013 and 2018, show sustained coverage--even the array subtopic was not a one-week flash in the pan. --
{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk}
17:52, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Approval by senior elitist academics is not required for notability. If there is peer review by a reputable publisher, that is generally enough to consider a publication reliable in terms of the review aspect. Not independent and secondary mean these primary articles by themselves are not enough for notability. Nonetheless, primary publications from 1996, and others in the article, and the two secondary reviews I linked above from 2013 and 2018, show sustained coverage--even the array subtopic was not a one-week flash in the pan. --
- To editor HerBauhaus: I am sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with your argument that 3 citations in extended conference proceedings such as those you quote satisfy WP:GNG. (Few senior academics in MSE include MRS proceedings in their CV, those publications would be ignored by their peers/Deans.) Similarly 3 cites in standard journals are not close to enough. This is even more so when the papers being quoted come from the same authors at NRL of the patent and paper upon which an article is based, so are clearly not independent, secondary sources.Ldm1954 (talk) 07:44, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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