Wikipedia:Teahouse

Cassiopeia, a Teahouse host

Welcome to the Teahouse!
Your go-to place for friendly help with using and editing Wikipedia.

Ask a question

Question forumMeet your hostsArticles to improveBecome a host

Can't edit this page? ; a volunteer will visit you there shortly!

New to Wikipedia? See our tutorial for new editors or introduction to contributing page.
Note: Newer questions appear at the bottom of the Teahouse. Completed questions are archived within 2–3 days.

Help Wikipedia

Assistance for new editors unable to post here

The Teahouse is frequently semi-protected, meaning the Teahouse pages cannot be edited by unregistered users (users with IP addresses), as well as accounts that are not confirmed or autoconfirmed (accounts that are at least 4 days old with at least 10 edits on English Wikipedia).

However, you can still get direct assistance on your talk page. ; a volunteer will reply to you there shortly. Alternatively, you can contact an experienced editor by visiting your homepage and clicking "Ask your mentor a question about editing".

There are currently 0 user(s) asking for help via the {{Help me}} template:

Knowledge on Wikipedia

How much knowledge is there on Wikipedia? Does Wikipedia have the same amount of knowledge as with paper encyclopedias? How do you gain experience? Knowledge542 (talk) 20:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Knowledge542, welcome to the teahouse! Wikipedia probably has more knowledge in it then any other encyclopedia ever. That's one of the benefits of being an online encyclopedia - it all gets updated and expanded in real time! As per your second question, simply edit! If you're unsure what you can do, I'd suggest checking out the task center for a good list of things you can try out. From there, you can do all sorts of stuff - copyedit, source, categorize, and maybe even write an article once you feel you're ready! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 20:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis How could Wikipedia have more knowledge than any other encyclopedia? Knowledge542 (talk) 21:26, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

@Knowledge542, by volume alone? The World Book Encyclopedia claims to have over 17,000 articles in the 2025 set. Wikipedia has over 6 million. When I was a kid, we had two different full sets Funk & Wagnalls and the World Book, and a third set that was written for an audience of children learners. I read them. A lot. I tried to read cover-to-cover. For World Book, the jump references were too enticing, and I'd end up pulling out a different volume and reading that article. The articles were well edited. But, there were not the many thousands of contributors that Wikipedia has. And, there are only so many pages available. Some encyclopediae are more concise based on subject, or just to keep the page count low. Wikipedia does not have that physical limit. It does not have the same level of editorial oversight. Some articles are sparse or badly written. But they exist, or can be made to exist fairly quickly. This is not the case with an encyclopedia that is frozen in time. Even with the annual yearbook updates, the World Book became stale. Countries changed. Historical and scientific assumptions were disproved. We went from atoms being invisible to printing a photograph of an atom...a huge change in perception, and expensive addendum to a printed encyclopedia.

Have you read much of a conventional encyclopedia set? What has your experience been? Just Al (talk) 22:27, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

@Just Al @PhoenixCaelestis Yes I read a convention encyclopedia set and they look spectacular to me. I wish Wikipedia would be in print. What is the reason on lack of editorial oversight? Knowledge542 (talk) 00:42, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

My experience has been fine to me. Knowledge542 (talk) 00:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Primarily, Wikipedia is maintained by volunteers in their own time. Published paper encyclopediae have paid writers, editors, proofreaders, fact-checkers, and other support staff to keep the business running. They also have deadlines. In publishing, there are drop-dead dates that mean an article is pulled and replaced if it is not deemed acceptable when the layouts are locked in before the printing process begins. An article must be polished, or it is scrubbed for another date (or not at all). That pressure will limit the count of articles, but also improve the quality of the few that remain. At Wikipedia, there are no deadlines. And drafts are acceptable to publish because it allows other editors to participate or provide advice. It's always a work-in-progress. Just Al (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

@Just Al However, are World Book encyclopedias still relevant today, despite being published annually? Knowledge542 (talk) 04:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I’m still waiting for responses. Knowledge542 (talk) 09:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what information you're looking for. Printed encyclopediae have the goal of making money via library sales and monthly subscriptions from consumers. Wikipedia is not that. Both are sources of information. Only one is able to be cited as a sourth of information. One is curated to a higher degree to meet deadlines, editorial expectations, and production limitations. Only you can answer if they are relevant for you. Just Al (talk) 18:38, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Just Al I think that print encyclopedias are still relevant to me, despite being in the age of Information Technology world. The digital encyclopedia really did outnumber print though. Knowledge542 (talk) 21:27, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Replacing a dead link with an archived version

I've found an article with a link to a dead site (specifically citation six on Joseph Fletcher). I've found an archived version at [1], how would I go about replacing the citation? Vəssel ^{[talk to mə]} 10:59, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

@Vəssel Welcome to the Teahouse. There is general advice at WP:LINKROT. If you run into problems with creating the new citations after reading the instructions, just ask back here for more advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:36, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

@Vəssel For better or worse, with the help of your providing the archive link, I have fixed this.

Presumably there are bots that go around repairing what fraction of the links they can, with whatever limited ability they have. It's considerably easier when someone has provided a good archive link, but then again, if a good archive link is readily available, then (I wa under the impression that) the bots should be fixing them.

Properly fixing an archive link (assuming the bots will never catch up) is at least one of the better unmitigated improvements you can make to Wikipedia, and you can be sure there will be ample broken links to work on. The challenge often is actually to find a working archive link. You often need a bag of tricks to locate good archive links, and to my knowledge, there is no place where it's written down, and often what you need to know is not obviously documented. So you can spend a fair amount of time in some cases and pat your self on the back when you've succeeded with a particularly challenging case. Fabrickator (talk) 12:34, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Oh, huh - with this one I just plugged it into the wayback machine and it already had an archive. Maybe I was lucky. Vəssel ^{[talk to mə]} 13:14, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

@Vəssel Thank goodness it already had an archive, because the link was broken as of December 2023, and once the link is broken, it's too late to create the archive. But that means the link has been broken for over a year, why had the bots not fixed it in that period of time?

I would suggest that if Wikipedia doesn't have the resources to keep links working, then the project is on a doomed mission. It take a lot of volunteer resources to make WP what it is, the size of WP constantly grows, but if links break and don't automatically get fixed (even when the archive is readily available), then the project is on a downward trend that will continue to get worse. Fabrickator (talk) 14:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Have a look at User:InternetArchiveBot, a bot that can help you proactively add these archive links ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 10:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I had assumed that we have something running InternetArchiveBot and similar bots across all articles ... if we're supposed to be relying on manual invocations, that would not seem like a particularly viable solution. Fabrickator (talk) 01:28, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

I thought so too, but now I can't find documentation for this. In any case, even if a bot is crawling article links automatically, there's a lot of crawling to do so it doesn't hurt to manually poke the bot for articles that we want to prioritise. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 01:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Frizzle (chicken breed)

Frizzle (chicken breed)

They are not using correct pictures

this is their actual look

https://poultrykeeper.com/chicken-breeds/poland-chickens/

https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/chickens-101/frizzle-chickens-unusual-eye-candy-in-a-flock/ Fruit Orchard (talk) 07:32, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Is any of these any good, Fruit Orchard? -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Social media says the way Frizzle chicken looks like, but in same article links to Polish chicken which is described as Frizzle chicken online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fruit Orchard (talk • contribs) 11:41, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

We can't decide such matters on the Teahouse; please start a discussion on the article talk page, and post a link to that discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Agriculture. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:51, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

While, as Andy notes, Teahouse can't really settle these things, both the sites you link to actively assert their rights to the copyrights of their photos, and do not release these materials under a Wikipedia-compliant license, which must allow irrevocable use of the photographs by any party, with attribution, for any reason whatsoever. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere where the OP was asking us to use images from those pages; they merely cited them as evidence to support their comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I mistakenly thought that was the implication. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:09, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Can i add an image i took

I'm new. This is for a sandbox. EvanSimms (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

@EvanSimms: Assuming you're willing to release it under a Creative Commons licence (0, By, or By-SA), you can upload it to Commons. However, an image will not help a draft; reviewers are looking at your text and sources and will ignore images. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 15:42, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

But how do i get it onto Wikipedia EvanSimms (talk) 15:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @EvanSimms, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wherever possible, images should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, so that all Wikimedia projects can use them.

Provided the image meets Commons' requirements for licensing (as Jeske said), and meets also Commons' COM:Project scope, you can upload it to Commons using the upload wizard. Once an image is on Commons, you can add it to a Wikipedia article or other page - I believe that at the end of uploading, the wizard will give you the magic string you would add to the page. ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

EvanSimms. Uploading photos that you have taken is relatively easy, but there are limitations. If the thing you are photographing is itself copyrighted, then the copyright restriction will also restrict your photo. So, you need to be careful about modern paintings and sculpture, movie posters, book covers, commercially packaged products and so on. On the other hand, common landscape photos, photos of utilitarian objects and plants and animals and photos of celebrities appearing in public are fine. Cullen328 (talk) 07:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Closer..

This is now the second time a major RfC was archived without being closed. Would anyone who has the ability to be able to go through and properly close this? Iljhgtn (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn, if you need a formal close on it, post it at WP:RFCC. You can also add the do-not-archive tag to it. -- asilvering (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I did not know about this tag. Would have been useful. It has already been archived for now though and I brought it back from the archive once.. might be overkill to do so a second time. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, and if you post it at RFCC people there are used to fishing old RfCs out of the archives, so that's not a big deal anyway. -- asilvering (talk) 18:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Someone had mentioned it might already be there, how can I check? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

CTRL+F. And yes, it is: [2]. -- asilvering (talk) 18:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Seems like its been there for a moment then.. I commented on the feed. Looks like we just wait now? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Yep. Sometimes for quite a long time, alas. -- asilvering (talk) 05:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Backlog for p-mover request

There is a backlog currently here. Would any admin mind stepping in and reviewing some of these? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn, the place to post about backlogs is WP:AN. But don't post about this one there - this isn't much of a backlog at all. -- asilvering (talk) 19:57, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thanks asilvering. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Guideline on writing article about celebrities

What is the guide when writing about a celebrity, can someone here help me draft one Born A Geek (talk) 23:46, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

@Born A Geek, the guideline for people can be found at WP:BIO. I would strongly recommend that you gather all/most of the sources about that person before writing the draft, to avoid writing it backwards. There is a comprehensive guide at Your first article. Good luck! Best, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 00:39, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Born A Geek, here's an example of what not to write: [Name of celeb]'s style is characterized by authenticity, humor, and relatability, appealing to both local and international audiences. His content blends entertainment with education, often highlighting cultural pride and social issues. Why should the reader believe this? Which source, independent of the celeb, says (i) that the celeb's style is characterized by this or that, or (ii) what the celeb's content blends, or (iii) what it highlights? (The celeb's Twitter/"X" account is a particularly poor source.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:28, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Born A Geek: See also WP:BACKWARD and write your drafts forward instead. That is, find all of your reliable sources first, before you write a single word! These sources must be independent of the subject and provide significant coverage as explained succinctly in WP:Golden Rule. Only then should you start writing an article based on what those sources say, not based on what you know or what the subject says about himself or herself. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Born A Geek I've left you an expanded welcome template with a lot of links on your talk page. That should get you started. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Weird arrows

Sometimes in the visual editor there are arrows pointing down and left replacing spaces. There is also this: " ", which you can only see in editor. I want to know what these are. If you need an example of these "arrows" see TRANSP. Pro-anti-air (talk) 05:30, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Pro-anti-air: Welcome to the Teahouse. You are most likely referring to carriage return symbols, which designate that there has been a line break there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Pro-anti-air, your "this" is a non-breaking space.   Maproom (talk) 07:41, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

By interesting coincidence, @Pro-anti-air, I asked the same question at the Help Desk just a few weeks ago ("Arrow symbol mystery," Archive 67) and received the same reply.

What I'd really like to understand is why the symbol shows up in Visual editor only some of the time, not every time there would be a carriage return (line break) in the markup. Augnablik (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

In my experience it shows up when there is a single carriage return in the source code, which does not create a line break in the formatted text. If it shows up only sometimes when that happens, I have no idea - but that's how I've triggered it myself. -- asilvering (talk) 18:23, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

When should you state a subject is "one of the best X of all time"?

I was looking over the Apollo 13 (film) article when I saw the claim in the lead that it was "considered to be among the best films of all time", and then cited "The New York Times Guide to the Best 1,000 Movies Ever Made", published in 2004. I was unsure about how to take this claim, looking at user aggregate websites like IMDb or Letterboxd the average rating is good, but not in the top 1000 of either website (although I'm aware we're not supposed to take user websites like this as sources, this is just to get a ground feeling). Apollo 13 didn't show up on any of the list of the best films of just the decade that I looked up. [3][4][5][6][7] (I couldn't find a list that included it on the first page of google). Examples of very acclaimed films that do not have the "greatest films of all time" label in the lead include High and Low (1963 film), Sátántangó, City of God (2002 film) and Before Sunrise, which seem to have to have all gained a higher level of critical acclaim than Apollo 13. What's the best way to determine whether a movie (or any work more generally) should have this label? ALittleClass (talk) 05:28, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

ALittleClass, how about changing that to "It is listed in The New York Times Guide to the Best 1,000 Movies Ever Made (2004)"? (I'm assuming that it is so listed. I haven't checked.) Compare Citizen Kane, the article about which tells us that it "is frequently cited as the greatest film ever made." This is accompanied by a note citing 16 or so such citings, so OK -- uh, no, scrub that; no, it isn't OK, as every one of the citings is British (as if Brits had a world monopoly on taste!) and only from an extraordinarily limited range of British sources at that. -- Hoary (talk) 06:23, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@ALittleClass There is an essay that gives some advice about this at WP:GREATEST. My opinion is that all records can be broken and hence are only valid at the time they were made, if ever. Hence an encyclopedia like Wikipedia should always explicitly state the source and date for the claim. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:46, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

How to be welcomed here

Hello greeting to editors. I’m really new to contributions. I want a tutorial. How do these editors welcome me as a newcomer? Would there be a homepage? SeekHousing1900 (talk) 05:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to en:Wikipedia, SeekHousing1900. You'll find tutorials linked to from Help:Contents. -- Hoary (talk) 05:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I need more on how a website works. SeekHousing1900 (talk) 13:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure Is this what you are looking for @SeekHousing1900? Knitsey (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Knitsey Yes it is. SeekHousing1900 (talk) 17:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Great! Have a play with it and see how you get on. Good luck, Knitsey (talk) 17:38, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Knitsey After completing The Wikipedia Adventure, does it automatically create pages? SeekHousing1900 (talk) 22:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean? Do you mean articles? Knitsey (talk) 23:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Knitsey Well, I completed some of the tasks in TWA, and it automatically places messages on my talk page and subpages on my userspace. It does not mean main space articles. What software does TWA use? SeekHousing1900 (talk) 01:55, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Your home page is at Special:Homepage; Wikipedia has a "home" page at Main Page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:26, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing Can the homepage need some improvements? If you disagree, I am ok with this. SeekHousing1900 (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@SeekHousing1900 Special:homepage is a Wikipedia growth team feature. There's lots of information at that link and it has a talk page where you can ask questions or suggest improvements. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I agree, thanks for the advice on growth team features. SeekHousing1900 (talk) 15:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Potential conflict of interest

If someone adds themselves to a list (see List of Australian street artists), is it a conflict of interest that should be reverted? Sushidude21! (talk) 07:47, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Sushidude21! Not necessarily. It can be reverted if it conflicts with WP:LISTPEOPLE. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

I have removed that entry and two others which have no article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:23, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

I've removed two more entries. -- Hoary (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

How to Create Interactive & Custom Boundary Maps on Wikimedia/Wikipedia

Hi Teahouse, I'm fairly new to editing on Wikipedia and wanted to ask for some help regarding maps. I’m interested in learning how to: Create interactive maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia (like those where you can click on regions or hover for info). Add or edit boundary maps for specific areas (like districts, cities, custom zones). Possibly upload and use my own custom boundary maps if the existing ones don't work for what I need. I’ve seen some amazing interactive maps on various pages and would love to understand the process. I’m especially curious about which tools/templates I should use, and how to format/upload GeoJSON or any other required files properly. If there are any beginner-friendly tutorials or sandbox examples I can check out, I’d really appreciate it! Thanks a lot for your time and help!

Warm regards, Wikiuser829 (talk) 15:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Wikiuser829 There is a lot of information you may find helpful at WP:GRAPHLAB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

i have a date format proposal

is it possible to have the date format based on device settings?

it is possible like on yume.wiki,but i wonder if its possible here? Metro8102 (talk) 21:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Metro8102, and welcome to the Teahouse. To do this, I think you would have to create multiple accounts (which I think would be permitted for this kind of purpose - see WP:GOODSOCK) and set the date format in the preferences of each account. ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

New article help

Hi all. I've just published a new page on Touch-Starvation. It is oddly linked because I created it as a separate article due to some problems I encountered attempting to change it to a new page from the existing sub-link on the Haptic communication page. If someone could help with redirecting those to the new page it would be appreciated

All my best,

CSGinger14 (talk) 22:43, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@CSGinger14, I'm afraid I don't quite know what you mean by oddly linked. It seems to be working for me, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're asking? PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 22:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, I'm trying to figure it out on my own but I'm having difficulties. There's a redirect code somewhere in the Haptic communication article which is preventing me from changing the name of the article from Touch-starvation to Touch starvation (no -). It doesn't necessarily have to be changed, but it's about a paragraph in length vs the full page article I just created from it. I'd assumed it would be an easy fix, the problem is that there isn't actually a redirect code for "skin hunger" anywhere in the haptic communication article, despite the fact that it reports there is when I try to create a redirect of my own on the page. Any help would be appreciated, I may figure it out before then but regardless thank you.

Best, CSGinger14 (talk) 22:58, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Aah, I think I understand now. The page you speak of is [here] (sorry for the external link, it just takes you to the non-redirected version of the page). You can find info on merging your existing article with this redirect at WP:MERGE. I hope this answers your question! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 23:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Minor addendum since clicking my link does not work: Typing in "Touch starvation" does indeed redirect to the Haptic communication article, but scrolling back up to the top should say "Redirected from Touch starvation" in parentheses. Clicking on that touch starvation link takes you to the redirect. My bad. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 23:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis Hi Phoenix, so I had actually figured it out. This is going to sound like a bit of a weird request, but I'd appreciate some help in changing the name to simply 'Touch starvation' without moving it to another page. It celebrates my 500th edit on the website, and, though I'm aware that it skirts the edge of WP:OWN guidelines, I'd really appreciate being able to go back to the page's first edit as a memento, instead of going through edits of a previous version of the page which I didn't participate in the creation of nor read in advance. In no way am I attempting to nor do I want to assert any control, ownership, or responsibility for the page, simply to have it as a marker/memory. Reasonably the page that's been saved (under "skin hunger," as opposed to "touch starvation") is saved for record-keeping purposes that don't have to do with the page I created. I'd argue that it would make it more difficult for administrators to find those records independently, given that its tied more to its merger with the haptic communication page than the creation of my page, which it simply serves as a redirect for. If merging the "touch starvation" page into the "touch-starvation" page would suffice (as opposed to vice versa), that's fine as well.

In plain (please read above for context), I'm just asking someone to delete or cache the page for "Touch starvation" (case sensitive) as opposed to merging the article I created with it, as it would remove my edit as the creation of the page, which I don't see as being practically any more useful for record keeping, given that its history consists of four edits, 1 of which created the page as a redirect to 'Skin hunger' (which will be stored anyway, as the page hasn't been deleted), one of which was a bot, and two of which were me. It's the only time I plan to make such a request, partly as its the only time I suspect it would be applicable. I would not be asking if I didn't have a god awful week, at the end of which I was supposed to graduate (but will not be, all my best to the fifth-year seniors of the world), and I really just need a win to be honest. I'm not sure what guidelines are, but if you'd be willing to work within the grey lines I'd appreciate it.

All my best,

CSGinger14 (talk) 23:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

I believe you need to first take the redirect to redirects for discussion. Then, if the redirect is deleted, you should be able to move your page to the one that was just deleted. Moving your page preserves the page's history; it is not deleted. Hope this finally solves your dilemma. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 23:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@CSGinger14 This is a common problem, and there's no need to go to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. The proper venue is WP:Requested moves/Technical requests, where you can ask that an administrator delete the redirect and replace it with your article. As PhoenixCaelestis said, this will preserve the page history. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:43, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Cliché terms: Cult Film, Urban Legend, etc.

I feel that cliché terms like "cult film" and "urban legend" don't necessarily benefit an article. Cliché terms in some articles, like the mention of "cult following" for the film Troll 2, are properly sourced. Other articles have cliché terms, such as "urban legend" in the Jayne Mansfield article, that are unsourced.

I'm interested in learning how to modify a Wikipedia bot to find examples of these terms and manually determine which are unsourced. Assuming I find lots of articles with unsourced cliché terms, should I post a notice on each Talk page to get input before deleting them, or should I notify those who handle Wikipedia policy and get their input?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayne_Mansfield Gamboler (talk) 01:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Gamboler, to rephrase, you're talking about: 1) looking for cliche phrases like "cult following" in the body text of articles, 2) checking to see if this is verified by a citation in the article, and 3) removing the mention of "cult following" or whatever from the article if it's not verified? If that's what you mean, that's fine, just go ahead and do that, no need to get anyone's input. Of course, if someone complains, you'll have to stop and talk it out with them, but until that happens, this is just normal editing, so go ahead and be WP:BOLD. It looks like you have about 7000 articles to check. If it were me, well, I can't say I'd want to bother, but you can spend your time however you like. -- asilvering (talk) 05:43, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@asilvering, thank you very much for your response, and your paraphrase is accurate. How did you find the 7000 article total, and is that only for "cult following" or for the three terms combined? I agree that my attention might wane with so many articles to manually check. Gamboler (talk) 12:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

That's just for "cult following", since I forgot to add "urban legend" to that search. 7k+ articles is the number of results. -- asilvering (talk) 20:16, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Gamboler I for one would not agree these are "cliché terms". They are well established and widely recognized concepts and we have substantial articles on cult films and urban legends. What term would you substitute? Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Shantaviral, thanks very much for your reply. You're correct that my calling them "cliché terms" isn't fair, at least without establishing firmer reasoning for doing so. Thank you for pointing out that I need to further research these terms to clarify my thinking about how best to describe them. You pose an interesting question about what term to use. I'll review the articles you mentioned, as well as their sources. I'll focus any editing efforts only on those that aren't sourced. Gamboler (talk) 12:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

How should I bring a discussion to a larger audiences?

Hello! I need advice on how should I bring a discussion about artists' song and album listicles which was discussed on Stray Kids' accolades page because it's only discussed cluelessly between the two of us. Should I go to each WikiProject's talk page and ask them to join the discussion on Stray Kids' page or should I ask for a new discussion in one of the WikiProject's talk page while mentioning my past discussion?— Shenaall (t ♣ c) 02:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Shenaall, the Teahouse is probably wide enough to give you an answer to your question, but I don't have a clue what you're asking on that talk page. Can you give us some better context? -- asilvering (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering, it is about this listicles that I added in this revision. I and PepeBonus were confused about "should we include listicles about the best songs/albums of 20XX (which is not focused to the artist) to the artist's accolades article or not?". Some example from the Featured List of other artists' accolades include them (SB19, Bini & Tyla) but some only include listicles that has the title "Best of All Time" or "Best of decades" (Taylor Swift & SZA). To avoid edit conflict, I open the discussion — Shenaall (t ♣ c) 06:19, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Shenaall You can try WP:APPNOTEing related wikiprojects, they are listed at the top of Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Stray Kids, lists and pop music perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Need help with article

I need help in order to make Avraham Zagdon's article good enough for mainspace. I do not know how to write such pages, and have never written an article from scratch. I dumped a few sources and stuff there, but there are things in all of the sources I have yet to add as text to the draft. I would like help with:

1. Proof reading the stuff I added from Hebrew sources, and expanding on it (This request is for Hebrew speakers, I have used AI to extract content from Hebrew sources)
2. Help add more information from Garb's book (in addition to the Hebrew sources I have mentioned earlier)
3. Help formatting everything

The Hebrew research I did was assisted by translators. If you are a native speaker, I would greatly appreciate if you could search for more information yourself as well Someonefighter (talk) 08:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Someonefighter: whilst it's not impossible to get such topic- and language-specific help at the Teahouse, it's quite a long shot given the generic scope, and transient nature (messages posted tend to get archived pretty quickly), of this forum. You may want to try your luck with one (or more) of the WikiProjects instead, such as WikiProject Judaism. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I have posted requests in their talk page, but they are not active at all so I figured I'd request help here. Also, the general organization questions do not require Judaism-interested people. Thank you for your response and suggestions Someonefighter (talk) 10:46, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Someonefighter You might do better to look at Category:User he-N. If you have navigation popups activated, you can rapidly scan by hover-over to find users fluent in Hebrew who have edited recently. Then you could politely ask them for assistance via their talk page. Whether people will be interesting in helping you draft a biography about someone who is a leader of a messianic cult is another question.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:39, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Will do Someonefighter (talk) 12:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

"Books radiate spiritual power, even unopened, especially those linked to his teachings. Therefore the best way to read is a book in hand and several lying around." The article Antilibrary already exists but it invites augmentation. Simply googling for unread books site:theguardian.com brings a fair amount of commentary (admittedly pretty lightweight). -- Hoary (talk) 12:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure what to do with your suggestion. None of the sources you suggested explain or can be linked to this cult teaching Someonefighter (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I've read the draft, and I'm left wondering whether he's a fraudster or a practical joker. But I can't read Hebrew, so I've no right to comment. Maproom (talk) 13:29, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I have done extensive research on the guy from before I started contributing to wikipedia. [ WP:BLP applies] Someonefighter (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Need for links on the page, Boston Female Liberation

The page I created for Boston Female Liberation has been designated an "orphan." I need help linking it to the page, The Second Wave, a magazine of the new feminism.

Thank you. Liberationfemale (talk) 14:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@Liberationfemale I've added it for you in this edit. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I read the article "Boston Female Liberation". In references , a book by "Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz" is mentionned.

You can use "Wikidata" to look for articles available on any language version of "Wikipedia" about authors mentionned and books they wrote.

Sometime , an article on "Wikipedia" isn't linked to an item on "Wikidata" and therefore you can't find it with "Wikidata".

This advice above can help you to add links yourself in the article "Boston Female Liberation" and maybe find articles mentionning this organisation.

The object of your request is to get links pointing to the article about this organisation.

Why not create links in the article "Boston Female Liberation" and create links in others articles if this organisation is mentionned ?

If you find an article on another version than "Wikipedia in English".

Read "Help:Interwiki linking". Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:09, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Help.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

I wrote an article on Predicativism, philosophical topic, after a lot of research and mental fatigue, I wrote an article in most jargon way possible in my knowledge. I did everything to cite every single source and even edited to meet every WK criteria. The page about the predicativism, opposite of Impredicative and I have used every thing possible to make it right.

An editor, with what they say "I am 1000 year old editor and I have voldemort stick of death" deleted the 18000 characters article and did not even bother me to at least ask where i can fix or improve it. Yeah yeah, I that got you have experience of how to maintain this platform safe but WK is not your personal property (thanks to CC license) nor you are supposed to have experience on how to write a deep and good article on maths and philosophy which I have. Because the person @Onel5969, (I am not targeting anyone) I dont think have even knowledge on subject of precativism or he even knows what is it.

I dont know how to act, I am already confused and find few times to use my curiosity of life to put it in words. I want to just get help if I can. Please I need somebody who is not mixed up because most of "admins" are family type so even some of them act injustice their family member will help him.

Lets say I am wrong in my defense please do not cancel me, I am just an editor. Please use your authority in a way that a serious editor respect not turn against you.

P.S. I am sorry if i sound noisy, the moment i am writing it i am feeling very sleepy (I havent slept for two days). Wh67890 (talk) 15:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

See replies at WP:Help_desk#Mentally fatigued. Please only ask at one venue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

"See replies" Yes replies are that was not for my help. Okay now this is frustrating. I came here because I got no help there. I am not taking this as joy typing everywhere. I wrote that article using my time, I just want an answer why it was removed, can it be reverted and how can I stop it from happening.

Also are you checking where I gave question or not? Wh67890 (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I have now given you an extensive reply at the Help Desk, though I suspect that it will not be the reply that you want. ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes because your reply is what I see usually from 100 editors, which is both frustrating and feels automatic script written for admins. Wh67890 (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I am not an admin, and I did not use a script (though I did use a template [[User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst]] which I created a few months ago to avoid typing the same paragraph repeatedly). Do you think that if multiple editors give you the same advice, it is possible that they have a better understanding of Wikipedia's policies than you do? ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Considering you're frustrated by editors answering your question, it doesn't really seem like you're actually looking for help. You're looking for justification. The advice given to you is correct, so you should take it. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 17:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How do I request an assessment box for a wikiproject?

How do I ask for or create an assessment box for Wikipedia:WikiProject World Heritage Sites. Nevermind I was trying to make one of those rectangular boxes which tell you what importance and class an article is and I succeeded, thanks for everyones responses. Easternsahara (talk) 17:09, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi there Easternsahara. In general, when an article is of interest to a certain WikiProject, the relevant WikiProject banner template is placed at the top of the talk page like this:

{{WikiProject banner shell |class= |
{{WikiProject World Heritage Sites |importance= }}
}}

You can see the specific guidelines for the WikiProject you mention at Wikipedia:WikiProject World Heritage Sites/Assessment. While that page has a Requests for assessment subsection it seems to be inactive, so instead I suggest you try assessing it yourself! The class parameter classifies how well-written the article is. You can grade the article with the grading scheme. The only restriction is that good articles (with the green-plus icon) and featured articles (with the star icon) have a more formal review process. The importance parameter indicates how much priority a WikiProject gives to a certain article. It's somewhat subjective but you can guide yourself with the table in this page (ignore the rest of the page, it's about a discontinued project). Feel free to ask any other questions. Have a nice day :) –The Sophocrat (talk) 20:07, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Image Linked in Text

I'm having trouble finding any relevant MoS entries regarding linking an image directly in text rather than having it appear in the article. For example: green sea turtle. Should images used in an article always be visible? Or is linking an image in this way acceptable? Amstrad00 (talk) 17:15, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Amstrad00, and welcome to the Teahouse. Images that can't be uploaded may be linked in an "External links" section, provided this is justified along the lines of ELYES. They should almost never be used in the text. ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

That's an internal image link. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:19, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

In theory you can do it, but why would you want to? How does that serve the reader more than displaying the image would do? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:20, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

The instance I saw it come up in and was unsure about was on an article that already had what feels like too many images and the linked image was being used in an attempt by another editor to serve as a psudo-citation for an uncited statement. I was hoping to be linked a concrete MoS entry I could cite in my edit summary to support de-linking the image. In the end I decided to just be WP:BOLD and just remove the statement that was tagged as uncited for 5 years. Amstrad00 (talk) 21:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Age and oversight

I am confused. What age a person should reach to provide personal information without being suppressed? CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello @CreatorTheWikipedian2009! Oversight's FAQ says that "[t]hough the English Wikipedia is not bound by the American Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, which causes many websites to bar users under thirteen, [they] do take the safety and privacy of minors, both over thirteen and under, quite seriously." I believe it is primarily on a case-by-case basis. I hope this answers your question! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

That wasn't the answer! The FAQ says that any personal information, provided by a person under 18 will be deleted, while WP:FORKIDS, and an age notice in Wikipedia:Userboxes/Life#Age_and_generation say that you shouldn't provide personal information (e.g. your age, name, location) until you turn 16. What's the age where you can provide your information without oversight? CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@CreatorTheWikipedian2009: This is ultimately a judgment call on the part of the suppressors. I would look at WP:Protecting children's privacy, however. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Does person's personal information get suppressed if they are between 16 and 18? In their user page? CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 18:15, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@CreatorTheWikipedian2009: That is a judgment call on the part of the suppressors. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 18:17, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @CreatorTheWikipedian2009, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please note that WP:FORKIDS says that it is an essay, not a Wikipedia policy; so I would suggest that the Oversight FAQ takes precedence. If you are concerned at this inconsistency, discuss it on the talk page WT:Guidance for younger editors. ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Okay. CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

"The FAQ says that any personal information, provided by a person under 18 will be deleted" Which FAQ, and which part of it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:13, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

WP:Oversight/FAQ, as Creator said, @Andy. The fourth item in "Types of content that may or may not require suppression". ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

That does not say "any personal information, provided by a person under 18 will be deleted". Quite the opposite; it makes clear that "discretion will apply to the specifics of any individual case". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:08, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

What specifics? CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 20:28, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

@CreatorTheWikipedian2009: Specifics are dependent on the individual suppressor and situation. Stop asking the question; you're not going to get a single hard-and-fast answer to this (and those who are in a position to give one for themselves aren't going to). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 22:44, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

What to do when uncertain

So, I stumbled upon this page. And I think it should be deleted. However, I'm uncertain if it truly should. to me it looks like a word salad, but it has plenty of sources. The thing that bugs me is that I don't know what the article is. At no point does this article cohesively tell me what "Childfree Russia" aims to do. Is shipping this article to AfD an overstep? ☩ ^{(Babysharkboss2)} 17:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse @Babysharkboss2. I think I agree with your assessment, I don't think this fits WP:ORG or the related guidelines, so it should be able to be deleted under G8 of the deletion policy. I would contact the creator of the page and ask them about it but they haven't been online for over a year.. I'd ask on their talk page anyway and propose the page for deletion if you don't get a response in a few days. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

The first thing to do is follow the process described at WP:BEFORE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:09, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

I agree with you, Babysharkboss2. I don't understand the objective of the movement described in the article. As far as I'm aware, the government of Russia does not compel its citizens to procreate. But the lack of explanation is not a reason to delete the article. It is a reason to encourage the article's creator, GeryLud, to clarify the nature of the disagreement between the Russian government and the Childfree Russia movement. Maproom (talk) 22:55, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Image formatting

I want to start uploading some of my pictures, and uploaded one to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiyomizu-dera&oldid=1291201948

I wanted to put it in the “gallery” section with the other pictures, but when I pasted it, it was all big.

How do I do it correctly? DankPedia (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

You need to specify that the images are shown as "thumbnnails". See WP:IMAGES. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:07, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello again DankPedia :). For a first introduction on handling images in articles, see Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/3, and for more details check out Wikipedia:Extended image syntax (there's a subsection on size specifically). Feel free to ask any other questions. Thank you for your contributions! –The Sophocrat (talk) 19:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Split Article Request

i want to request a split of Tibetan Muslims from Islam in Tibet, because Now mass migration of chinese muslims done by CCP.

But Now know how to request it Mr.work-shy (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Splitting, then follow the guidance at Wikipedia:Proposed article splits. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Site guidelines on ongoing legal cases

Hi all. I was planning on making a page of a case currently working its way through the courts that has received several judgements from the Supreme Court as of the past several days. I haven't been able to find any specific site guidelines that point to whether or not current cases can be discussed, but I know that normally information on pages for elections that haven't occurred and (potential) candidates for those elections is supposed to be kept to a minimum. If anybody could shed some light on this it would be appreciated.

All the best - CSGinger14 (talk) 22:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

can someone help me find more images for Italian brainrot characters?

The Italian brainrot page is lacking multiple characters and I need images of them. MarkofGorillaTag (talk) 22:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi MarkofGorillaTag. Please link to the article which you are looking. I think you should make a list of characters that you believe that are missing. You can upload a images here yourself but that images must comply with the copyright policies. Fade258 (talk) 01:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

How to restore an article?

Hi all,

The page HaKol HaYehudi used to contain an article about an Israeli newspaper, but now it redirects to an irrelevant article which mentions it once.

I would like to restore the page. The decision to delete it (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HaKol HaYehudi) was voted on by one person (they voted to delete it, I don't know how it became a redirect).

How should I go about it? Tioaeu8943 (talk) 01:32, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Tioaeu8943. If you believe that the deletion was improper or consensus was not established then you can file a deletion review here. Fade258 (talk) 01:45, 20 May 2025 (UTC)