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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Improving parts of the article (if any) is highly encouraged to prevent renomination in the near future. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🎉 (HAPPY 2022) 14:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transparent Language Online

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G11 speedy was removed with the rationale, "This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... I'm reading this as not unambiguously promotional, certainly at every version. No objection to AfD testing." This is one of the most obvious advertisements I've seen on Wikipedia. After the lead, the entire piece is simply a product brochure for the products of the company. Onel5969 TT me 02:28, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 02:28, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:: I randomly came across when visiting the creator's talk page on another matter, observed the CSD notice and took a peek. The history and edit summaries looked a little unusual (I have subsequently noticed a histmerge which seems a little unusual. At a skim the references looked at least reasonable, the jstor at a glance looking significant. One persons feature is another person's advertisement. A CSD contestation requires immediate action, which is what I've taken, to take a longer term look, possibly at AfD. @Missvain, Possibly, Kim9988, DferDaisy, and Anthony Appleyard:: With apologies for annoying people with the ping, but making best efforts to avoid a biased canvas, can I ask as having made a significant contribution or been involved in the histmerge do you any of you wish to make any comments here to fill in background? Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I don't know what the heck is going on here. I DID NOT write this article. I don't even remember this subject let alone know anything about it. I don't even think I accepted it via AfD. Maybe I moved it and did something weird by creating a new article versus moving it properly from AfD? Suffice to say, I did not write this and that's evident - if you know my work, and also notice when I "created" the page I added four tags for notability, COI, sources and verification[1]. Regardless, I don't care what happens to it. Missvain (talk) 03:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well I see now that this is largely a question of style and formatting. There are in fact multiple reviews of the software by independent scholars so there is certainly the basis for a valid article. I don’t think this is it though. Mccapra (talk) 05:51, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou for the additional background information. Useful. If the article is kept "as-is" with attribution issues not fixed on edit summary/talk page then I would intend to immediately re-test against copyvio criteria as Db-G12 seems applicable, but I would not use that as there is a plausible possibility, perhaps even a probability than the reason the histmerge seemingly had null effect was that all previous nominations were by anon IPs : In this use case I am minded a dummy an edit summary of the form "This article was created by Missvain from contributions of anonymous IPs - see Special:Diff/1062078371" (Or ideally some sort of improvement on that to the effect Missvain was not responsibie for content on creation and an admin confirms all content at creation was originally. But if that cases is not evidenced I may recheck Wikipedia:Copyright violations to determine a way forward, or if that gives no prescriptive way forward maybe think of alternatives. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ASTIG️🎉 (HAPPY 2022) 12:00, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember, honestly, but that sounds about right. See what I said above - anyone who knows my edit history knows a subject like this is not in my wheelhouse. Clearly this involved helping someone, Articles for Creation, etc. Sorry I don't remember. I hit 200,000 edits recently - all done by hand and not by bots - so I might forget a few things sometimes. No need to ping me unless it's absolutely necessary. I don't care what happens to this article, TBH. Missvain (talk) 16:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Anthony Appleyard: Thankyou for lookin at that. Sorry for being a pain, can you look at the deleted article Transparent Language and refund that to my userspace instead (There should be a full copy of Transparent Language at at its XfD around somewhere in this cloud of unknowing. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Anthony Appleyard Thankyou for doing that, but its not what I'm looking for.as it is the attribution history that is important. Cut/paste copies just don't cut the mustard; its likely why were mostly here in the first place. It's just possible the talk pages history might be useful as well. This will be heading for a DRV at this rate and none of us need the drama llama. Please REFUND all versions of Transparent Language and its talk page ... I should have made it clear I did not want a cut and paste copy. I can go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion if you are busy. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk)
The advert reason concerns are why I've offered, actually committed, to WP:STUBIFY on keep to get good baseline. Its great the attribution is sorted so this is possible. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • To make this abundantly clear, given the amount of time I've had to waste on this due to copy violation/attribution failures, from my point of view I am refusing draftication for me to work on this. If drama is wanted it will be had, and there may be consequences I'm tryng to avoid. That may seem unreasonable, but its my RL too. To be clear, I will likely DRV on draftication. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 01:33, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Revision 1064718635 is WP:STUBIFYed non-G11 & sources (Graham, 1992); (Saury, 1998); (Wildner, 2002) and pretty much most sources on the revision and a few not on it past satisify all relevant policies, guidelines, GNG, NSOFT etc. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:36, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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